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Pacific Northwest Reddit Stories: Hiking Horrors · PNW Haunts & Homicides

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: He popped out of the trail. A white man a oh.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: My god, much would have preferred a bear.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: He sounds real white too. A white man with fluffy,
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: short white hair, eighties style mustache, Oh god, probably five
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: eleven or so and very short cargo shorts ew and
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: a huge square JanSport backpack, Oh my god, which was
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: making jangling noises, and immediately asked me if I was
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: hiking alone. Yeah, that's the appropriate reaction. Hi, Caitlin, Hi Cassie,
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: Hi creepy people. Hello, this is PNW Haunson Homicides, where
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: we shot about true crime, the paranormal and all things
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  Speaker 1: spooky in the Pacific Northwest or the p and w
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• 1:05
  Speaker 1: the end of every episode for a little deeper insight
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  Speaker 1: into our squeaky toy I mean topic topic.
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  Speaker 2: As always, Charlotte is with us.
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  Speaker 1: If you hadn't heard, yeah.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: She's having a great time.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: So today is my episode. And Caitlin might be slightly
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: confused because I am not on my laptop. I am
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: on my phone, which means I did not write this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so confused.
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  Speaker 1: So since you tortured me for my birthday, I decided
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: that I wanted a lazy episode and I went to
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  Speaker 1: read it and I hold some stories from Reddit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you earned it.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: I did earn it. Thank you.
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your ear dedication episode turned out so much darker
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: than I intended.
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  Speaker 1: Was the worst.
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, I regret this, but I have
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: unfortunately plunged too deep and spent too much time and
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: we just have to venture forth.
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  Speaker 1: And guys, I had to fucking edit it, so I
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  Speaker 1: had to listen to it again. I was like, why story?
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I really am the worst.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, So anyway, I did end up finding I found
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: like P ANDW specific things from Reddit. Though I love it.
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: Some of them are pretty recent.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: We love a recent story.
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  Speaker 1: I'll start with that one, the one like the first
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: one I found. So I did this last night. So
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: this is two days ago. I was posted wow, and
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: I found all of these in the what is it
• 3:06
  Speaker 1: called a subreddit? The subred is that what that's called?
• 3:11
  Speaker 1: It's called backwoods creepy. Oh, I've totally found stories there.
• 3:16
  Speaker 1: I have been over time trying to gather some things too. Yeah,
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: you haven't gathered this one because it was from two
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: days ago and they were all like kind of outdoorsy.
• 3:29
  Speaker 1: I mean it's called Backwoods, so they're all kind of
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: like outdoorsy. It reminds me of like camping, summertime, being outdoors. Okay,
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: this is from user it lurks in the Forest. That's
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: their user name. So I'm like, did they just create
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  Speaker 1: a user name?
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit?
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  Speaker 1: And then like just come on here to post this
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  Speaker 1: one story because or do you post kind of thing
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  Speaker 1: all the time. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But it's called witch Altar in Oregon. Me and my
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: now wife are doing a road trip down the Organ Coast. Okay,
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: we decided to stop and do this hiking trail called
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  Speaker 1: Hobbit Beach and I have looked at this beach forever
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I need to go there, need to
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  Speaker 1: do this, and I still have yet to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now you know, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently like kind of hidden and are you even google it? Right?
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to google it. Yeah, it's like magical apparently,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't Who doesn't love a magical beach?
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: Oh? I feel like the thing is is because it's
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: like not super well known. But I'm like, is it
• 4:39
  Speaker 1: not though, or is it one of those things where
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: it used to not be well known, but now everyone
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  Speaker 1: knows about it, and so they go there. I'm not
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: the same question. I have to go and find out.
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  Speaker 1: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it does have signage, it looks like it does,
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  Speaker 2: but you have to already be there to see it.
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  Speaker 1: It might kind of ruin it for you. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: the trail is pretty, but it does smell a lot
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  Speaker 1: like stale urine. And there were little tunnels in quotes
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  Speaker 1: into the woods that look well traveled, and there is
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  Speaker 1: a lot of trash that is so upsetting. So it
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  Speaker 1: makes me think it is more well known and it's
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  Speaker 1: like travel.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: I hate that it seems like people may be living
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  Speaker 1: in the woods down in the tunnels. I for some
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  Speaker 1: reason go down one of the tunnels to check it out,
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  Speaker 1: and at the end I find a little altar. It
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  Speaker 1: had eggs, candles, feathers, small animal bones placed in crisscrosses,
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  Speaker 1: all built in a very unsettling fashion. Okay, I mean,
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: is it unsettling just because you think it's like nefarious,
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  Speaker 1: like you're not used to think, because I'm like that
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  Speaker 1: all sounds really cool to me. Little bones, little feathers.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: I love that. It really could go either way for me.
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  Speaker 1: It said it looked like a giant bird's nest on
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  Speaker 1: the ground. Did I read that part? Did I skip
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  Speaker 1: over that sentence?
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: You might have say it again.
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  Speaker 1: After it says that they go down in the tunnels
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  Speaker 1: to check it out. At the end of the little altar,
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  Speaker 1: it says it looked like a giant bird nest that
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  Speaker 1: is built on the ground. It had eggs, candles, feathers,
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  Speaker 1: small animal bones placed in crisscrosses, all built in a
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  Speaker 1: very unsettling fashion bird's nest. I don't know all that
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: sounds great to me. It sounds like something I would do,
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  Speaker 1: just saying.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it does sound cool.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess people are unsettled by witchcraft sometimes because
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: they think it's like evil whatever. Yeah, we do tarot here,
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: we are into it. So it goes on to say,
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: I quickly backtrack back to my wife and tell her
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  Speaker 1: not to go that way. We ran into two dudes
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  Speaker 1: later down the trail that didn't seem to have any
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  Speaker 1: gear or be hiking. They said, well, it's like a
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  Speaker 1: little trail to the beach. I don't know if you'd
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  Speaker 1: necessarily have need gear for that. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: They said hi and asked us what we were doing hiking. Obviously, okay, dickhead,
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  Speaker 1: They're like, what are you doing in our home? These
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  Speaker 1: are our tunnels in our archers altars. We hiked past
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: them and looked back and they were just standing there
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: watching us. Nothing else happened, but it was a very
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  Speaker 1: unsettling hike overall. I still wonder what the altar was
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  Speaker 1: doing out there.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna scroll through these comments really quick and see
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: if do you have any I feel like we kind
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  Speaker 1: of commented, but do you have anything else to say
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  Speaker 1: about it? No?
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I am really curious about the comments.
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  Speaker 1: This one says sound like witchy nature people doing witchy
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: nature stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I feel like that's the right reaction.
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  Speaker 1: They probably aren't the ones leaving trash around, though, which
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: I kind of maybe agree with.
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  Speaker 2: I'm inclined to agree as well. I did come across.
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: I am not positive, but I think this is kind
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: of a more local publication, and I've used them as
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: a source for a lot of other things. It does
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: seem like this little like kind of it's almost like
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  Speaker 2: a blog post about it. The pathway is pretty similar
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  Speaker 2: to numerous coast trails. It's that name Hobbit Trail that
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  Speaker 2: really lured me for a late December hike with my
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: one year old Hobbit sized daughter. In tow there's a picture.
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  Speaker 2: We were hoping to see something that resembled Middle Earth
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  Speaker 2: and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I'm not alone.
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  Speaker 2: The Internet is filled with articles about the Hobbit Trail,
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  Speaker 2: including ones with breathless headlines such as hike the magical
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  Speaker 2: Hobbit Trail to a secluded Oregon beach. That fanfare has
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  Speaker 2: led to large summer crowds, despite the trail beginning at
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  Speaker 2: a small and nondescript trailhead along US Highway one oh one.
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  Speaker 1: It's a really busy trail and I'm not entirely sure
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  Speaker 1: why just because of the name for really park Ranger
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  Speaker 1: though that they quoted for the article. It's a really
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  Speaker 1: busy trail and I'm not entirely sure why During the
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  Speaker 1: summer there are cars lining the highway, even though you
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  Speaker 1: can drive a half mile to a much easier access
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  Speaker 1: point and get to the same beach. Oh my gosh,
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: good to know though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the secret's out because actually this article is
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  Speaker 2: from twenty eighteen, so the secret has done ben out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it seems to me like maybe the urine
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  Speaker 1: smell in the trash isn't people just like living there,
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: but just so much people like, yeah, I gotta take
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  Speaker 1: a pee on this, let's go to this trail, and like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I'm on the side of
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  Speaker 1: the road before too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
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  Speaker 1: This one comment says I live in Oregon and spend
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of time at the coast. Nothing about the
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  Speaker 1: story surprises me. A lot of witchy people. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: just Oregon. Yeah, a pagan altar on the Oregon beach.
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  Speaker 1: That's just coastal Oregon. Love it.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: I do love that.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of really cool witchy shops on the
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  Speaker 1: coast too. Okay, let's see what we want to do next.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: This one sounds so familiar to me. I wonder if
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: I read it before but just didn't read it on
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Oh, it's very long. It's about the Pacific
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: Crest Trail. It's her muser and MS and basium oo,
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know MS, and it's called Pacific Crest Trail, Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Odd encounter ooh, it's kind of creepy, Like I didn't
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: read these all the way through, but like I couldn't.
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  Speaker 2: Skimmed kim dum. Yeah what subreddit, it's.
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  Speaker 1: The same one they're all from. The all from backwoods
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  Speaker 1: was creepy like it. This was from two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: seventy eight days ago.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so still pretty recent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Still, I tried to pick one that we're like
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: less than a year posting this here in the event
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: someone may have a similar story in Washington. I was
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  Speaker 1: through hiking the Pacific Crest Trail PCT if you're nasty
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: southbound at the time, I flipped from northbound to southbound
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  Speaker 1: part way through the Sierra Nevada as twenty twenty three
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: was California's history snow year on record. Oh crazy, and
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: when I was there it was still snowing. WHOA When
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: I had a creepy encounter with a self described day
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  Speaker 1: hiker mail on the trail, ooh, they rhymed, never meet
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  Speaker 1: a man, Never meet a man, especially alone in the
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  Speaker 1: fucking woods. I was hiking towards the Cracker Barrel, which
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: is not the restaurant it says aka White Pass in Washington.
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  Speaker 2: Which check out.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, if you're a cracker, barrel might also be
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: called the White Pass anyway, just kidding. I love that
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: the area before White Pass is quite boggy, and it
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: was a sunny, warm day in July. Wait what it
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: was snowing in July? I'm so confused. Okay, Oh maybe
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: because they were like up in the mountain. Okay, the
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: area before White Pass is quite boggy, and it was
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: a sunny, warm day in July twenty While I was hiking,
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: I bumped into a day hiker at one of the
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  Speaker 1: trail junctions with the PCT and a side trail. He
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  Speaker 1: popped out of the trail a white man with Oh
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: my god, I much would have preferred a bear. He
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  Speaker 1: sounds real white too. A white man with fluffy, short
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  Speaker 1: white hair, eighties style mustache, oh god, probably five eleven
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  Speaker 1: or so, and very short cargo shorts eh and a
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  Speaker 1: huge square JanSport backpack of the sort.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. Do you think he was just like
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  Speaker 2: a time traveler?
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  Speaker 1: I know, because like they're saying twenty but if it's
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: an old man in twenty twenty three, like they kind
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: of stop progressing in their style, right, So a Janzport
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  Speaker 1: back Oh. Man, so they're saying the JanSport backpack, which
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: was making jangling noises, and immediately asked me if I
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  Speaker 1: was a PCT hiker. I said yes, and then he
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  Speaker 1: quickly asked me if I was hiking alone. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: the appropriate reaction. Yeah. I was about thirty at the time.
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  Speaker 1: I am five to one, and I had not showered
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  Speaker 1: in seven days due to the remote stretches in Washington
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  Speaker 1: prior to this. Asking a female if she was hiking
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  Speaker 1: alone is not cool. No, it's really not don't do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, why why would you ask that?
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: For various reasons.
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  Speaker 2: That's why it's not cool, because who needs to know?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Hello? Hello? And I technically was hiking with another hiker.
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  Speaker 1: He was just a few miles ahead of me. I said, no,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: that someone was just up ahead, which was true. When
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: he asked me these questions. The were in quick succession
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: of each other, and he seemed incredibly excited. Oh I
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: don't like that. Are you liking glad?
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I want to see my Painis he just pull those
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  Speaker 1: little shorty shirts a little bit? Sorry? Nope, sorry for
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: that visual Something about the encounter the vibes in general
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: was off, and I had that blood going cold, stomach
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: dropping feeling. I proceed to walk faster down the PCT.
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  Speaker 1: The man followed me, making some comments about a female
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: all alone out here, and because I was well over
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: a thousand miles into walking that year, I was in
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: a good shape and begin to haul some serious but
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: assuming he would not be able to keep up, the
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: man started lightly jogging behind me to keep up. Ew okay,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: getting so close to my seven days unwashed hair in
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: the back of my head that he could practically have
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: grabbed or sniffed the hair fuzzies. That's so corros was
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  Speaker 1: His backpack was exceedingly large for a day hiker and
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: not a hiking backpack, which is fine, just did not
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: fit with how oversized it was and was jangling. They
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: talked about the jangling, like what was in there?
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  Speaker 2: I know, wrenches, right, That's kind of where my head went.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: There was metal things banging around inside his backpack.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, actually wrenches.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: No, and loudly too, might iad? I literally picturing a
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: back of frenches as he's becoming out of breath to
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: keep up with me, and after making comments about my
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: seemingly solo hiking. He immediately says to me, this is
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: the part of the trail where all those hikers went missing.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: EWA who says that to somebody? Whose woman say that
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: out on a trail alone, that's not okay?
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  Speaker 2: That is I feel like another dude would be put
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: off by that. Seriously, another dude would be like, all
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: of a sudden like put you know, puff and his
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: chest up, Like what are you talking about, dude, Like,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: why are you saying that when we're out here alone
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  Speaker 2: on this trail.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I hate that because like, what if she actually was alone?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean she technically is, Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Like what if I'm sure this person was thinking like, oh,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you're not actually with somebody, Like you're just saying that,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: because that'd be a weird dude in the woods asking
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: if you're alone. I even ask I at that, and
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: then I freaked out. And then starts talking about the
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: bogs and how bodies could just disappear, and about a
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: pct through hiker who disappeared in that ex zached area
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. However, he also mentioned something about a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: missing woman in the area too. To this day, I
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: can't find any info on who this might be, or
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: how far from White Pass he is referring to. I'm
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: sure so many people go missing out there, right.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: The most well known hiker missing near White Pass is
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Christopher Sherpa Fowler, a thirty four year old Pacific Crest
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Trail through hiker who vanished in October twenty sixteen. He
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: was last confirmed seen on October twelve, twenty sixteen, at
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the Cracker Barrel store in White Pass, before walking into
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: a severe snow store.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, this is twenty eighteen, though, so I don't know.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe I know, maybe he's got some dates is mixed up.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: The way he was describing missing people, missing bodies and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: bogs or whatever made my stomach do backflips. I own
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: had trekking polls at the time. Now I could now
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I carry bear spray because of encounters like this, which
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is smart in a case of bears.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, also bears, And I gripped.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Them in my hands and ready myself to whack him
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: in the face if need be.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Honestly, he was smart. Yeah.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it, but I it
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: was not normal. He was excitedly discussing these missing people
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: and also telling me he one knew the sheriff on
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the case and two volunteered to help look for the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: missing PCT hiker in twenty eighteen, and knew where they looked,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: which apparently was all in the bog area. He talked
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a lot about his time volunteering to search for missing people.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I realized, however, I did not want to preemptively tell
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: him to fuck off, because making him angry felt wrong instinctually.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not always a good strategy.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I wanted him behind me, not ahead of me, where
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: he could ambush. I don't know. I don't like him
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: behind me either. None of it's good. Just not to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: be around with it, it's good. So I kept him
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: behind me and asked him for details of his supposed
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: volunteer work with the local sheriff and looking for whoever
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the missing people were. Plus the missing PCT hiker. So
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: there's just missing people in general who weren't even hiking. Oh,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Missing berry picker.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, just picking berries?
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Went missing in August of twenty eighteen the backcountry
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: area near Packwood, Washington, which sits directly at the western
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: base of White Pass, and it says details an eighty
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: two year old woman became separated from her companions while
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: mushroom and berry picking. I hate that. There's a couple
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: of other disappearances. I mean, most of them are like
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the high profile one is the twenty sixteen one that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I already told you about. And then there's a couple
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen in the surrounding area. But nothing that's
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: like super explicitly linked with White Pass. It's like nearby ish.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I wonder if they meant that, if they are talking
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: about like the twenty sixteen person they.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Might have been, or they might be talking about Samantha Sayers.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: She went missing in August of twenty eighteen.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Damn dude.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: The location where she went missing, Vesper Peak, is located
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: further north in the Cascades in Snahomish County. But could
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: be that she was an experienced tiger though it's us.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Wow, I don't like that. I don't like that at all.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: How I know he was bad news was when we
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: came upon the guy I was hiking with. I thank
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: you God. I know everyone breathe. My hiking companion was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: getting water by a pond, saw me hiking at four
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: point zero or more miles per hour, which is, oh
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: my god, that's fast. Yeah.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: He's like, that's not hiking anymore. You're just like actively running.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And this creepy dude literally breathing down my neck out
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of breath. My hiking companion's eyes got huge, and I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: was gesturing to him with my eyes that something was wrong.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I turned around finally and scared the creep behind me
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and said with great satisfaction that I was not hiking alone,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and here was my male hiking partner. I told you so,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. The creepy man's eyes got wide, and
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: he said, oh, right, well, nice to meet you, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: said nothing to my hiking partner other than that, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: he took off fucking running down the trail, not hiking,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: not jogging, but running. We hiked very fast after him,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: and he totally disappeared. No trace of him, no footprints
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in the mud as we approached the trailhead, nothing, no
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: other side trails he could have taken. My hiking friend
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and I stopped to eat, and I was shaking, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I told him about the man and his talk of
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: bodies and the strange backpack, and we both agreed something
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: was off, especially as the man took off running for
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: his life away from my male hiking partner. Had I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: actually been hiking alone, I have no idea what would
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: have happened. We were close to White Pass, but still
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: a couple of hours away. I reported the encounter to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the ranger via phone, who then reported it to the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Cracker Barrel along with the older white man's description.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Cracker Barrel is playing an outsized role in this story. Crazy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: What is this Cracker Barrel?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: It's with a k Okay, so this is technically located
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: in It's not just Washington. It is Cracker Barrel with
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: a K. It's a Cracker Barrel store and services. That's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: where he left from.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: It was not a Cracker Barrel restaurant. It's like a
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: gas station and convenience store that like they offer laundry
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: services and food. Is it like a town because it
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: at the top it says Cracker Barrel aka White Pass
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a resupply point for the pct Okay, all her showers
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and stuff I see. So it's like when you get
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to like the White Pass, it's not like a town.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: It's just like a little icee. Got it. We're following.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: So they reported it to the Cracker barrel, which I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: assume has like it's like a hub or whatever. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: would think for truck cars and for hikers. So if
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you want the information out, like that's where you would
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: put it. Perhaps he was just a strange guy. Well,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: he was for sure overly interested in the missing hiker
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: case and local missing people. I mean, I guess we
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: are too.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: It's possible, but like I wouldn't go out and talk
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: about shit.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Like that and like follow someone and like run next.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: That is creepy, like running behind somebody to keep up
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: with them. Oh yeah, no, don't do that, and way
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: interested in my hiking alone, seemingly, but the whole thing
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: felt so so so wrong at least say my instincts.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I now Carrie Spray when I later did the Continental
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Divide Trail, for example, because of situations like this. Curious
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: if anyone, if anyone, has had weird encounters in this
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: area of Washington. The first comment says, you need a gun.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, not always a fan of that, but like.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, yikes, I know that one like felt real
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like true crime. It was. It was creepy, it like
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: in the paranormal way, like very very true crimey. Definitely, Oh,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the story raised all the red flags. A lot of
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: people in the comments are talking about volunteers who like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to search for people they've murdered, and I hate that.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: It's true. They stuck, they try to stay close to
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: the investigation. So if that's a.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Thing, like what.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean number one, I think you can look
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: at it from the perspective of like they want to
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: be tipped off to developments in the investigation, and that's
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a as good a way to do that as any arguably,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: And then also like it gives them like kind of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: a sick thrill from like from what I've always heard,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: it's gross.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Ew I found another one another comment that says that's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: creepy as fuck. I had a coworker who had something
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: really similar happen back in twenty twenty two while hiking
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: in Washington. The guy they ran into sounded almost the same,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: older white hair, weirdly fixated on whether they were hiking alone,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: but instead of a mustache, he just had a goateee.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: The whole encounter gave them the chills in the same way.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That sounds like the same fucking guy. Yeah, okay, watch
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: out for older white dudes with like short cargolis and backpack.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: To be honest, should.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: We do another one?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: This is from deleted user.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Oh those are always kind of like they posted. It's
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: like a throwaway, which sometimes come across as.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Like a little suspect. But this is like very detailed though.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Oh so I think maybe maybe they just didn't want
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a retta anymore. I don't know, have you seen the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: green orbs? I am posting this everywhere I feel it
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: might get some attention. Okay, well maybe we're onto something.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: But we're gonna go through with this anyway because I've
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: already picked it. This is a true story about something
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I experienced as a child. My name is Ahvi. When
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I was six years old, I lived in a small
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: town in western Washington State. The city is very close
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to a forest area and the population is mostly backwoods
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: country type in the year nineteen ninety eight. I think
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I was living That's what makes me think, like the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: details like that, like nineteen ninety eight, I think because
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I was a kid, like that makes me think it's
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: like kind of real, you know. Yeah, I was living
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: in town. At night came where something strange and unique happened.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: My child mind couldn't fully grasp what was happening, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: neither could the adults who witnessed this, my parents and grandparents,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: my uncle, a police officer, okay, and all of our neighbors.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of people. Actually, yeah, that witness a
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: lot of people, Okay, witnessed a large number of floating,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: slash flying green balls of light. They were around softball size,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: maybe a little bigger. My mother has reminisced about the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: night and told me about how they chased my grandmother's
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: dog up the street and would pace the local traffic
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: so like they were going the same speed as the traffic.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Oh. Interesting.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: A family friend admitted to seeing them in the nearby
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: highway at night. My family has a very religious background,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: so their thoughts were that this was sinister and e
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: but my but my memories are different. I vividly remember
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the green balls connecting in lines of five or so
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and spinning around like a baton. The sounds like it
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: just sounds like drones.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Oh kind of.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: I think that's what drones do, Like they connect and
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: then they spin in like a line. I don't know,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: but this is nineteen eighty eight, so I don't think
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: they had the drones.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know they like just average people.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, could. And this is also very like of UFOs.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: This is like something that's pretty common with those stories too,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: so true. They spun around like a baton and then
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: unlinking to fly free again. They would hover just above
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the street, up around the street lights, and just everywhere
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in between. My mother kept ushering my brother and I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: in sign out of fear, but I was not afraid.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: This may have been because I was young and unconditioned,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: but they had lights that didn't seem dangerous to me.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: There must have been at least a hundred of them.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of green, little floating orbs.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: That's I would say, arguably too many.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a lot. I have theories about them,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: but I've never been able to find any other encounters,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: so this is my newest attempt. I've even put up
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: local flyers with my email to try to get anonymous stories.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: People in that area just don't like to talk about
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the stuff, which I calling. You could go either way. Yeah,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: to the credit of my religious family, they did seem
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to cause the lights to leave. I remember the last
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: time I saw them was as my grandmother was praying
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and telling them to leave. They suddenly stopped, and all
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: at once, they shot up into the sky and disappeared forever. Okay, okay,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I have wanted to see them again ever since. I'm
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: twenty seven now, and I'm still left wondering what they were.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: My main theory is extraterrestrial. Mine too. My mother supports
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: us because she remembers seeing a large craft with spinning
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: lights on it in the sky. I have actually dreamt
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of this as an adult. Anyway, Please, if you or
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: anyone you know has seen these lights or anything like this,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I would find a lot of peace in just knowing
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that my little hometown is not alone. So I want
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to see in the comments if anyone else.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: What they say.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, someone else posts that they were walking home and
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: saw green orb of some kind floating two to three
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: feet in the air. Okay, and it moved to the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: pond and ooh, it went into the water and disappeared.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. See that sounds less like a drone to me.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a lot of UFOs I feel go into
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the water and disappear. It's like they can do. They
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: they're like air boats, like they can fly and go
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: in the water like submarine.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Amphibious.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah oo, have you evers any green floating lights?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: No? I mean I'll be watching for them. Now.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Does anyone listening seeing green floating lights? Let's now send
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: us your own story at PNW Haunts and as ees
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and we'll read them.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of comments saying, like
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: people see green floating lights. I have some pictures I
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: caught of one dm me from deleted user not cooln
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: man Neon. I think it's really interesting that, like the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: mom was praying or the grandma was praying for them
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to go away, and they just went away forever. Like
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: what is that? Do they hear you? Because I don't
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: think they're like demons.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe the aliens heard and they're like, oh shit, Like
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we don't want We're so nice, we don't want to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: scare these people.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Do you think they're nice?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't do anything bad. They were just flying around
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: true a dog, trying to see what was up with
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the dog. Maybe they just wanted to pet it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I mean I can relate to that. Let me pet
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: that down that that's me all day every day.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: There's actually a lot of comments on here about other
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: people who have seen green lights interesting, very weird, Like
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: they keep going and there's there keeps being more commons
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you guys.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: That's really interesting.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I just feel like whenever they're there's a lot.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Of people kind of hearing the same thing. That to me,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, okay, there might be something to that.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I wasn't really expecting to see like a lot of
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: comments on here because it was like a deleted poster.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean you wouldn't. I feel like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of times you just would. I wouldn't expect
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: that either.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: WHOA is this normal for Reddit?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: No?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Why is there redacted I've not ever seen that. Actually, dude,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: men and black are on this shit. There's redacted stuff
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: in the comments of this.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: That doesn't make anyone to me, that doesn't make anything.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Oh when you click on it uncovers Oh okay, so.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: That's a little unique Reddit trick. I guess that they're
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: aware of that. We were not.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the next one, which is this is
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: also a deleted user deleted users called creepy in a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: kind of funny way. Okay, about seven years ago, my
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: friend and I were walking down the railroad tracks outside
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of Eugene, Oregon, ou jene Ugane. We were pretty far
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because eventually we were surrounded by nothing but forest, not
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: a car, road or house. Insight, I almost had a horse.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: We kept walking when we noticed a figure in the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: distance moving in our direction. It was a man in
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: his early twenties on a bicycle, riding down an old,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: rarely used, overgrown dirt road. As he got closer, I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: began feeling uneasy, so we stepped off the tracks and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: tried to make ourselves less visible without blatantly hiding. That's
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: really hard to do. Actually, that's fairy. I'm just minding
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: my own business, ducking down behind this bush.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Just casually hiding.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: He got to write about where we were, maybe fifteen
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: feet away from us, and he stopped. He was wearing
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a black hoodie, knee high socks, and a thong. Yes,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: a thong, Okay, no pants. We're not talking about thongs
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: as in like a silly way of saying flip flip flops. Nope,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: we're talking cisco here. That the bombo.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, oh boy, that is a lot.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: No pants? Did I say no pants? Did I mention
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: no pants? He looked at the ground and looked ahead,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: never once looking in our direction. Then he began maybe
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: because he's wearing a thong, and he's like, fuck, I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: ran into people. I'm wearing a thong. When I do,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: if I look at them, I'm looking creepy. It's like
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the opposite of this hiker guy on the Pacific crystiald Yes,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: this guy doesn't want to be seen. He has like
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: absolutely the opposite vibe. Then he began building up his
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: momentum again and took off down the road. We were
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: pretty weirded out by this and figured it would be
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: best to continue our course as we didn't want to
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: follow the trajectory of the thing cyclist. Does he mean
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the thong cyclist?
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I mean I feel like I could go either way.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like he meant the thong cyclist. Okay. We
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: walked for another twenty minutes when we saw another figure
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in the distance. It was another man on a bike
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: with a black hoodie, knee high sucks and the thong.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Wait, are you telling me there's more than one? Am
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I there's two? Okay.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: This guy was blonde, though, which is worse. The other
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: had dark hair. He was riding across the road, but
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: stopped in the center and stared at us. At this point,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we decided the best move would be to go back
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: to my buddy's house because we didn't want to run
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: into any more of these individuals.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, I guess I get it. I guess
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: So there. It is definitely not the weirdest or creepiest
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: thing I've ever experienced, but I'd certainly categorize it as
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: one of them, one of the weirdest.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: That's up there, I would say, I mean, for me,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I feel like that that's up there. Yeah, okay, Thong cyclists,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: that is really something special.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Do you want to know what bald Chihuahua has to say? Oh?
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: You know, oh I do.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: This is typical of Eugene. This is a typical Eugene
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: forest experience. That's too much. That's too much. Gotta be
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a fraternity hazing.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Oh and in Eugene like that that might make sense.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: That's just yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, was it naked bike right day? Just they weren't
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: in Portland?
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, Yeah, Eugene's like, hey, we're with you in spirit,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: and then they're like, we're the only two out here.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Oh awkward, that is awkward.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they just got like off their
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: shift they didn't feel like putting their pants on because
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it's hot. Who wants a red bike and pants? Yeah?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I mean there's no reason to endure pantage.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: They can get stuck in your chain, you yep?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I mean so many any potential problems really if you
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: think about it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I'm curious though, Like you run into two people dressed
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: like that? That is that is pretty interesting. Like I
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: really don't know. I really don't know. I really don't know.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I would prod maybe it's uh, it's a little troubling.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Should we I don't know. Should we see the tarot
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: provide us some guidance, won't you? You want to shuffle
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: a little and then I can. Yeah, well it makes
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: me want to do weird stuff in public and end
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: up like a creepy Reddit story, but not like so
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: creepy that someone thinks I'm going to murder them. Yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: not that creepy. That's not cool.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not that's not creepy in a good way.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: That it rut. Wow, we're pulling a card for these
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Reddit stories. There was an outdoorsy theme, so I feel
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: like our PNW duck is going to be good. I
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: don't know. I was looking at this one when I
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: pulled them out. I don't think I've ever seen this one. Okay, okay, okay.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: We got three pentacles and it's got it got beige
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: on it. They're not honeybees. They're all look it up interesting,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: they're different kind of stinging insect wasp wasp. It's three
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of pentacles, three of pentacles. And I have a very
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: funny story about a giant black wasp that was in
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: the house the other day. In this house I'm house
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: sitting and I literally was like, what do I do?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: It scared me because I didn't know if it I
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: feel like looking it up. It might have been a
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: mud dauber, which a mud dabber. They're just like a
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: big wasp.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: How have I never heard of that? They build their
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: nests out of mud, and they're apparently like not.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Oh they look so freaky.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Is it black?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah? They look like they also have yellow. Some of them,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know, must be more than kind.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: It might have been different. It was super black like
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: it was. It was like this big, like three inches long.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: It was flying around the house and so I put
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: the dogs like outside in the sideyard to try to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: get this thing. I was trying to get it out
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the door and like be nice to it, but it
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: was not having it. And so I found a broom
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: and I was chasing this bitch around. Oh shit with
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: the froom. I could not get it, and I thought.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't what to do. So I
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: opened the window and I finally got in like the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: window screen, and I shut it and I was like,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I'm done with you.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: That's honestly smart. So Wikipedia says mud dabbers are not
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: normally aggressive, but can become belligerent when threatened.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It was so belligerent. Yeah, it was lligerent as fuck.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I was trying to get it out side, but it wouldn't.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: It would and I was like, I'm not hanging out
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: in this house with you flying around.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Apparently stings are uncommon, so like they're not an aggressive breed,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: but like if you if you trouble them, they shall
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: become belligerent, like it was Saint Patrick, and I.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Was like, this is gonna fly. It's gonna get stuck
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: in my hair. It's gonna get stuck in the dog's
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: hair because the dogs are hairy and sting, and.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: I don't harry, They're really scary.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't want any part of it. All right. These
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: are paper wasps, by the way, My.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: God, there's why are there so many types?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, and they're in the card. I think
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: they're building their nest. Like I thought this was a flower,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: but I think they're building.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Oh no, that's yeah, it for sure is like a honeycomb. Yeah,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: this looks like like it looks like a bee honeycomb.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: That's so creepy.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Oh. A collaboration working hard towards the sh shared goal, craftsmanship, apprenticeship,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and learning. And I'm gonna read this just because I
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: don't think we've gotten this card before.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like we have, but not frequently.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe we have that I don't know. The wasp picked
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: her way carefully upside down along the edge of the construction.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: She worked her mandibles and now she worked her mandibles
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: to mix water and wood, making a lightweight building material.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Then she applied the pulp on the outside of the construction,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: making new walls. Neighboring cells pressed on the drying paper
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: from the outside, while a newly deposited egg applied pressure
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: from within opposing forces, making a hexagonal shape. More wasp
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: spread protective chemicals and continued the expansion, making a colony
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: larger than themselves. Sell by cell, the wasps expanded the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: nest in a spiral outward. Each new concavity added not
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: only to the design, but to the population as well.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Larvae were covered and safeguarded by the structure until they
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: were ready to begin working on it themselves. Craft workers
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: made by their ancestors. Craft. Oh interesting, I don't know
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: what that has to do with anything in these Redis stories.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean they're crafting narratives. So there's that. Okay,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: and we drew this upright, yes, okay, the Three of Pentacles.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Our keywords are creativity, self expression, skill, satisfaction and rewards.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Ooh okay, wait, but the creativity and self expression reminds
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: me of the thong sickliss.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, the car of the crafts person. The Three
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: of Pentacles often depicts a skilled artisan at work, which
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: actually kind of reminds me of that. I mean, that's
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: why they picked the paper wasp. I think, yeah, for
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: the PNW deck.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: What if that? What if that's talking about that? The
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: creepy old man hiker and the shorty cargo shorts. He's
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: a skilled worker. What did it say? A skilled was
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: like artisan? Yeah, in his craft, and his craft is
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: killing people on the trail.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: No, in some decks, he's building a cathedral, reminiscent of
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: the carpenters and masons who constructed Europe's great cathedrals and
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: who evolved into the freemasons.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Hmm, maybe they were the ones hazing in the thongs.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe the free Mason's haze. I don't know that that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, they wouldn't tell us that they do, right.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Excellent point three signify self expression, creative development, and reaping rewards.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So this positive card shows a time of satisfaction. The
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: upbraid three represents expressing your creativity in a practical way
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: and enjoying your work. You've developed your skills. Now you
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: gain rewards and recognition from applying your talents constructively. Okay,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but that is reminding me
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: of the creepy old man jogger.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well my first story. I don't remember.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: You're asking me.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Also, it reminds me of like the flying around the
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Green Orbs.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Habit Trail.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Oh it was the happy Trail. Yeah yeah, yeah, but
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it reminds me of like the floating. The green orbs
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: that are all like floating around could be like kind
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of insect, like you know, yeah, hey, no, you're all
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: wrapped up in my or your little Sharlotte.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: She definitely will chew on courts. They are frequently sacrificed
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: to the God other people to derive pleasure from what
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: you do. This card can also encourage you to market
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: a product, idea, or talent. In a reading about money,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: this card indicates profiting from your work. You could think
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: of it as the payback card when your efforts bear fruit.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: It may also show a financial endeavor coming to fruition
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: or at least beginning to prosper.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Hmm, I don't know about that.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: If the reading is about your job, you're using your
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: abilities fully and achieving success. What you create now should
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: have lasting results you can be proud of and enjoy.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: The upright three may signify the satisfactory completion of a
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: project or job. In a reading about love, loerve you've
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: worked through challenges and invested a lot of effort in
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: a relationship. Now things are on the upswing and you
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: can enjoy your relationship. Contentment and security are yours. Maybe
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: that's just maybe that's just me being worried about the bees.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was trying to relate it to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: any of these stories, but I'm not sure. Maybe it
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: just like the bees and the wilderness and the outdoors
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: is like the big connection here.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, Reddit is kind of like a beehive. Yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: that is true, if nothing else, And like all.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: The comments inside the comments, inside the comments, you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: or like yeah, yeah, the concavities, the concavity, everyone's buzzing around,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: buzzing around Reddit. Well, god, I had fun reading Reddit stories.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I too, enjoyed this immensely.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Nobody go to the Hobbit Trail. Nobody hike the Pacific
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Crest Trail.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Nobody stay inside, drink lots of water, go to bed early.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Run If you see a thong bicyclist.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think you have to worry about that. I will, indeed.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Run, I might run towards it, am I right? No, okay,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: pick one thong bicyclist or creepy old man in short
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: cargo shorts.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. At least guy in the cargo shorts.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Was it enabled by faster transport?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: That's true, she could outrun him even though he was
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: breathing down her seven year old.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying, don't put a man on a bike.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, all right.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Like ride bikes as a man, but like don't like
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I seen Yeah, no, no, it's perfectly acceptable to ride
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: a bike. I just, I just if someone has to
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: be approaching me, particularly when I'm in an isolated or
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable situation, I would like the advantage of, you know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: being able to rely on, uh, getting away. I just
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I just want to get away, get.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Away, carry, bear, spray all the things. Okay, should we
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: do the thing? Say goodbye. Let let people have their summers,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, go summer.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: Go summer. Have a creepy day, you say, Or on
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: the PCT, on the PCT and your though.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: That you know people do that naked sometimes.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: You mean the naked bike ride.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I mean the PCT. What No, I know someone who
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: did the PCT and they had like a naked day.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, and like that's cool if you're in a.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Group, Like, maybe just don't be a naked man walking around.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like solo nakedness outside of your home maybe
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: slightly less cool.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe don't maybe don't cover your pain, all right,