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The Late Debate | 7 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome the Late Debates.
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  Speaker 2: Great to have your company on the Late Debate. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James MacPerson with Free Leitch and Caleb Bond coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: A Sydney University academic furious after being told to take
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  Speaker 2: down a Palestinian flag. Sections of the media ask us
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  Speaker 2: to feel sorry for Hesblah families injured when Israel exploded
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  Speaker 2: their pages, and police in the UK will spray soccer
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  Speaker 2: hooligans with a substance that seeps into their DNA so
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  Speaker 2: they can be identified later. But first Labour MP Sarah
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  Speaker 2: Whitty gave her maiden speech in Federal Parliament last week,
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  Speaker 2: and she devoted much of it to the housing crisis,
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  Speaker 2: calling for action to help renters. She told Parliament, I
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  Speaker 2: bring with me the voices of renters demanding justice. Presumably
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  Speaker 2: those voices echoed faintly from the guest bedrooms of her
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  Speaker 2: investment properties.
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  Speaker 3: She owns four houses.
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  Speaker 2: Critics have accused her of being less robin Hood and
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  Speaker 2: more monopoly mogul. Nothing says, I'm showing solid hour with renters,
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  Speaker 2: like collecting rent from them, but I think that's unfair.
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  Speaker 2: No one's accused her of being a bad landlord, only
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  Speaker 2: of owning houses and owning houses shouldn't preclude you from
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  Speaker 2: advocating for renters any more than being wealthy means you
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  Speaker 2: can't champion the poor, or being an adult prevents you
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  Speaker 2: from championing children's rights. So she might turn out to
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  Speaker 2: be a terrible landlord, but frail, I think the attacks
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  Speaker 2: on her at this stage are completely unjustified and unfair.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me I'm wrong, Well, the problem is.
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  Speaker 4: The attacks she makes on landlords.
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  Speaker 5: The Socialist Left, the faction she's part of in Victoria,
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  Speaker 5: have pushed through some of the most radical anti landlord
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  Speaker 5: rental reforms that actually have a perverse impact on renters.
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  Speaker 5: You're seeing tens of thousands of properties leaving the Victorian
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  Speaker 5: rental market because it is such a difficult place to
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  Speaker 5: invest and to have a property. So, by all means,
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  Speaker 5: she could own properties, but admit that being a landlord
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  Speaker 5: isn't that bad. Don't on the one hand own multiple
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  Speaker 5: properties and then, on the other hand, continue to bag
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  Speaker 5: out landlords and demonize them.
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  Speaker 6: How can you be a member of the socialist Left
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  Speaker 6: faction and own multiple properties. I mean, I mean, surely
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  Speaker 6: that's just a complete contradiction.
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  Speaker 2: She runs small businesses, how can you be a small
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  Speaker 2: business operator and the socialist.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very good question.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I understand that there are certain things that you
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  Speaker 6: probably have to do to some degree to operate in
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  Speaker 6: this world if you are a socialist and you live
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  Speaker 6: in a capitalist society. And so I'm not going to
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  Speaker 6: hold it against her for having owned a small business,
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  Speaker 6: or that she owns.
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  Speaker 1: A house that she lives in.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, beyond that, surely you would say, as
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  Speaker 6: a socialist, you know, from each according to his ability,
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  Speaker 6: to each according to his need. You don't need four houses,
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  Speaker 6: do you. Someone else could do with that house. And
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  Speaker 6: unless she's giving them a way.
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  Speaker 1: Free of charge to people, and she may well be.
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  Speaker 6: We will learn these things when she puts in her
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  Speaker 6: her statement of interests, which is coming very soon. But
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  Speaker 6: unless she's giving them out for free to homeless people,
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  Speaker 6: or is it a cut prize or some business like this,
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  Speaker 6: how can she justify owning multiple homes as a socialist?
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  Speaker 1: You you can't stand around and.
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  Speaker 6: Say this bloody, terrible capitalist system, I don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: And then benefit from it. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's attention until she's proven to be a person
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  Speaker 2: who is failing to help her renters. Then I think
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  Speaker 2: you've got to give her the benefit of the bit.
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  Speaker 2: She's been previously involved to provide housing for people that
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  Speaker 2: are homeless and don't have home. She's been a foster
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  Speaker 2: month for ten years.
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  Speaker 3: Or I can give the lady.
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  Speaker 6: So she's being so by owning multiple homes and the
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  Speaker 6: values on those properties kicked out. She's just being a
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  Speaker 6: benevolent provider of housing.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I say you can't judge.
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  Speaker 3: Her just because she let for renters in her maiden's speech.
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  Speaker 3: Give the woman a break. I can't believe I'm standing up.
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  Speaker 2: For a member of the socialist left, but I just
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  Speaker 2: think everyone jumped on her straight away. Maybe get a
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  Speaker 2: bit more information before you declare her hypocrite.
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  Speaker 5: But it is so hypocritical to call yourself a socialist
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  Speaker 5: and own property. In socialism, you're not supposed to own
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  Speaker 5: any property full style.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then every member of the Labor Party by that
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  Speaker 2: definition is a complete hypocrite and shouldn't own anything.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they should all start a socialist commune move and
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  Speaker 5: actually implement communist socialist principles and see how that goes.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be an absolute train wreck and they'll learn very
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  Speaker 5: quickly that socialism doesn't work.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just didn't like everyone jumping on her because
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  Speaker 2: she owned some homes and she's standing up for renters.
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  Speaker 2: She's providing accommodation by being a landlord. Well, he's helping
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  Speaker 2: to provide a solution for.
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  Speaker 3: The situation so much. I hope she doesn't prove me wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be.
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  Speaker 6: Bringing this back when someone has to have a heart
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  Speaker 6: on this panel. I suppose full disclosure. I am a landlord,
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  Speaker 6: and of course I'm making money. I try to be
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  Speaker 6: a good landlord to my tenants. I've had the same
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  Speaker 6: tenants the whole time. The place has been rendered out
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  Speaker 6: if that says anything about what I'm like as a landlord,
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  Speaker 6: So of course I'm doing it to make money.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't call myself a socialist.
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  Speaker 6: Let's move on to social media from socialism. Would you
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  Speaker 6: believe it? Social media is not good for your brain. Now,
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  Speaker 6: I think we all kind of knew this in some
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  Speaker 6: way or another. And of course, once upon a time
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  Speaker 6: people used to refer to the television as the idiot box.
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  Speaker 6: Of course that's not what it is. If you're watching us,
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  Speaker 6: you're watching us to learn things. So we'll call it
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  Speaker 6: the smart box when you turn your teley onto Sky News.
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  Speaker 6: But researchers at Swinburne University have actually compared the brain
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  Speaker 6: activity of people watching television the idiot box, playing video games,
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  Speaker 6: and scrolling through social media, and their findings are truly shocking.
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  Speaker 6: They found that people who watch TV actually have an
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  Speaker 6: uptick in brain activity, so too people who play video games,
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  Speaker 6: because of course you're doing things. When you're playing a
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  Speaker 6: video game, you've got to think, can you have be
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  Speaker 6: strategizing and what's the next move, et cetera. But totally
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  Speaker 6: different to those two things, when they monitor the brain
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  Speaker 6: activity of people using social media, they found an immediate reduction.
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  Speaker 6: They found that they were less focused afterwards, and the
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  Speaker 6: particular parts of their brain that deal with mood and
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  Speaker 6: focus stopped working so fast. This was in the Scientific
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  Speaker 6: Reports Journal. Now it is early stage work. It probably
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  Speaker 6: confirms some preconceptions that we had, and they're opening up
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  Speaker 6: the idea now that you know, if this is possible,
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  Speaker 6: this is what is happening because it's to do with
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  Speaker 6: the flow of oxygen into the brain, and so what
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  Speaker 6: they're seeing is that when you're using social media, the
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  Speaker 6: oxygen is going in, but it's not being used, so
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  Speaker 6: it comes straight back out again. So if you do
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  Speaker 6: that long term, James, is it possible that it causes
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  Speaker 6: long term.
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  Speaker 1: Damage to your brain?
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 1: Case endpoint.
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  Speaker 6: So I understand what you say exactly focus, James, I
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  Speaker 6: get with the program.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand why this is so revolutionary.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody body knows this. Every parent has seen their kids
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  Speaker 2: sit there dull on the couch, just scrolling through mindlessly.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know why we need experts to tell
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  Speaker 2: us that this is bad for us.
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  Speaker 3: I tell you is interested in this though.
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  Speaker 2: I think advertisers will be very interested in this information
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  Speaker 2: because if you can advertise to people when their brain
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  Speaker 2: is effectively on slow motion, it's much easier to slip
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  Speaker 2: messages into their consciousness than when they've got all their
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  Speaker 2: logical reasoning faculties working. So I think advertisers would be
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  Speaker 2: thrilled at this news.
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  Speaker 5: I think what is interesting is after you've been scrolling
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  Speaker 5: on social media for a while, they call it doom scrolling,
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  Speaker 5: where you're just sitting there endlessly, you do feel tired
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  Speaker 5: and lethargic and down, whereas if you've just watched.
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  Speaker 4: A really great TV show or played.
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  Speaker 5: Video games or done something like that, you don't feel
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  Speaker 5: as tired. But this study was also done on adult brains.
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  Speaker 5: Imagine what this is doing to children's brains. This study,
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  Speaker 5: they spent three minutes on social media. The average teenager
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  Speaker 5: is spending at least an hour a day, So you
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  Speaker 5: think about the scale of that. This is a massive
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  Speaker 5: experiment on an entire generation and the consequences are going
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  Speaker 5: to be devastating. But the other implication of this is
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  Speaker 5: that even in things you mentioned advertising, political communication has
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  Speaker 5: totally changed because people don't have an attention span anymore.
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  Speaker 5: These were some of the social media clips that were
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  Speaker 5: uploaded to TikTok during the federal election campaign by the
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  Speaker 5: Liberal Party and Labor, and you'll see they're both doing
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  Speaker 5: it resorting to memes and brain rot, which is what
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  Speaker 5: this format of video is called, just to attract the
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  Speaker 5: attention of young audiences.
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  Speaker 4: This was one from the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 1: Most prices have gone up from you. Labor are in charge.
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  Speaker 1: They can't manage an economy, but hey, at least knee surgery.
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  Speaker 7: Is tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Authorized, Ahurst Liberal Patty Cambra.
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  Speaker 5: Very very bizarre, but believe it or not, that got
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  Speaker 5: millions of views and here's an example of what labor did.
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  Speaker 7: Versus authorized Pierre.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if that is the future of politics, I
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  Speaker 5: think we're all screwed.
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  Speaker 6: Brain rot indeed. And I think that's the interesting thing.
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  Speaker 6: I know, James, you say, are we everyone already knew this?
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  Speaker 6: But the point I was making before is that everyone
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  Speaker 6: thought the same about television and what this is indicating,
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  Speaker 6: and again this is you know, very preliminary work, so
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  Speaker 6: they'll have to study further, particularly into what the long
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  Speaker 6: term effects might be. But what it would seem to
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  Speaker 6: indicate is that it's, you know, not all screen time
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  Speaker 6: is the same. And we talk about screen time as
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  Speaker 6: this homogeneous thing. It's all you know, screen time is bad.
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  Speaker 6: Screen time is bad. And look, to some degree, screen
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  Speaker 6: time may be bad because for a kid in particular,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you're probably better off in the backyard playing
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  Speaker 6: cricket with your brother or sister than you are sitting
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  Speaker 6: in front of a television.
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  Speaker 1: But it would seem from this that using social.
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  Speaker 6: Media, like of all the versions of screen time, is
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  Speaker 6: even worse, is particularly pernicious, and I think that is
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  Speaker 6: a really interesting bit of research.
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  Speaker 2: There was a fascinating book that came out many years
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  Speaker 2: ago called remotely Controlled, and it was about the damage
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  Speaker 2: that television was doing to children's attention span. And one
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  Speaker 2: of the interesting things they did was they looked at
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  Speaker 2: episodes of Sesame Street in the early seventies and they
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  Speaker 2: counted the number of cuts in scenes over the course
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  Speaker 2: of an episode and compared that to the number of
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  Speaker 2: cuts in a scene sort of in the nineties, and
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  Speaker 2: showed how much quicker scenes would change and attributed that
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  Speaker 2: to the poor attention span of kids. Their argument was,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't the content of television, it was the medium
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  Speaker 2: itself that was damaging kids.
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  Speaker 3: So you're quite right.
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  Speaker 2: As damaging as TV is scrolling endlessly on your telephone,
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  Speaker 2: it's that the content can be quite bad. We talk
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  Speaker 2: about that regularly, But the medium itself is damaging kids brains.
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  Speaker 1: Beyond the telephone.
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  Speaker 6: By the way, can I just know that you called
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  Speaker 6: it the telephone? You you know I might do it
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  Speaker 6: from time to time an ironic way, but you'd be
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  Speaker 6: about the only part. I was scrobling on my telephone
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  Speaker 6: last night and I came across an interesting piece of
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  Speaker 6: information from.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we can tell James doesn't do much scrolling at all.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't have a calld.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, I thought I thought your phone sort of went around,
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  Speaker 6: you know like this, you got to dial them up
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  Speaker 6: for the.
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  Speaker 3: Well I remember those, do you?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we had one at home. Remember it wasn't in use,
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  Speaker 6: but we had one.
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  Speaker 3: And you have one upstairs and you could you could listen.
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  Speaker 6: To and then mamma, you know, you know, as a kid,
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  Speaker 6: I try to use the internet and it was dal
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  Speaker 6: up and you know, mamade.
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  Speaker 1: Get off the computer. I want to make a phone call.
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  Speaker 3: Well, sorry, go ahead of ye so good.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I was just going to say. Also happening in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Someone who needs to dial into reality is Anthony Albanesi,
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  Speaker 4: who has said he will not consult Trump when deciding
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  Speaker 4: whether or not to recognize a Palestinian state. This is
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  Speaker 4: what he had to say earlier.
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  Speaker 6: When you talk to doctor Trump.
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  Speaker 7: Organic condition about Palestinian recognition.
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  Speaker 8: Where a sovereign government and Australia makes decisions on behalf
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  Speaker 8: of the Australian government. I have long said that I
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  Speaker 8: want to see Israelis and Palestinians to be able to
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  Speaker 8: live side by side in peace and security. And there
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  Speaker 8: are proposals obviously at the moment around and discussions taking
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  Speaker 8: place between world leaders. I think the entire international community
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  Speaker 8: is distressed by what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 5: So alban EASi has said he won't talk to Trump
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  Speaker 5: when deciding whether or not to recognize a Palestinian say
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  Speaker 5: we know Trump has said any recognition of Palestine is
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  Speaker 5: an implicit reward for Hamas. Albanese still hasn't even had
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  Speaker 5: a face to face meeting with Trump, and now he's
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  Speaker 5: asserting all, I'm the tough guy on the international stage
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  Speaker 5: and can make these unilateral calls because we're our sovereign nation.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, how does he seriously think this is going
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  Speaker 5: to go well?
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  Speaker 2: Asserting Australia's sovereignty had nothing to do with the question.
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  Speaker 2: The question was not will Donald Trump make Australia's decision
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  Speaker 2: for us?
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  Speaker 3: The question was will you consult with.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump before you make a decision as the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister of Australia. It's got zero to do with sovereignty.
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  Speaker 2: But Anthony Alberanzi seems to believe that he makes a
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  Speaker 2: virtue of not consulting Donald Trump, and that seems to
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  Speaker 2: be the message he's keen to communicate, which would be
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  Speaker 2: madness considering he's also said Albanezi that we are a
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  Speaker 2: medium middle power that can't have much direct influence on
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  Speaker 2: events in the Middle East. Well, I'll tell you who
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  Speaker 2: does have direct influence. The United States are the major
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  Speaker 2: power brokers. So why would you not talk to Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump before making a decision for Australia. And of course
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  Speaker 2: the other thing is that in the middle of we're
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  Speaker 2: not in the middle of We've hardly even begun to
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  Speaker 2: build a relationship with the Trump administration. I don't see
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  Speaker 2: how failing to consult the Trump administration our major ally
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  Speaker 2: on such a massive international issue. In dear's Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: the Trump at a time when I would have thought
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  Speaker 2: he's trying to endear himself just a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: Well, he's taking the bet that because the majority of
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  Speaker 6: Australians don't like Donald Trump, and they don't, which we
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  Speaker 6: see continually in the polling, that you know, by looking
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  Speaker 6: like you're standing up to Trump by saying well, I'm
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  Speaker 6: not going to take his advice, that.
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  Speaker 1: It will play well electorally.
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  Speaker 6: But of course the politically sensible thing to do is
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  Speaker 6: to talk to your allies frequently about things, and you
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  Speaker 6: don't always have to take their advice on board, but
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  Speaker 6: it's generally a good thing. I mean, he will say, oh,
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  Speaker 6: and I've got other Western allies. I'll talk to you,
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  Speaker 6: like the UK and France who will agree with me.
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  Speaker 6: But you can't just talk to people who agree with
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  Speaker 6: you all the time. You have to be able to
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  Speaker 6: make your point of view and prosecute your point of
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  Speaker 6: view to people who don't.
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  Speaker 1: Necessarily agree with you.
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  Speaker 6: And what it comes across as to me, and I
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  Speaker 6: know what he's trying to do, but it comes across
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  Speaker 6: to me as saying I'm too weak to advance the
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  Speaker 6: argument with a political leader with whom I disagree. Well,
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  Speaker 6: if you are steadfast in your position and you think
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  Speaker 6: it's the right thing to do, you shouldn't have any
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  Speaker 6: trouble picking up the phone to Donald Trump and having
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  Speaker 6: that conversation. Again, you're not always going to walk away
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  Speaker 6: agreeing with Donald Trump, but you, as two world leaders,
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  Speaker 6: should be able to have that discussion and duke it
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  Speaker 6: out at all times as close nations and allies, without
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  Speaker 6: any concern about what it's going to look like afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: That's just part of the course, and.
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  Speaker 5: It's actually counterproductive to the negotiations that the US is
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  Speaker 5: trying to lead. They're trying to get a ceasefire, they're
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  Speaker 5: trying to get the hostages out, They're trying to find
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  Speaker 5: a path forward for the Middle East that involves peace
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  Speaker 5: ideally and not endless wars.
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  Speaker 4: And anything that removes pressure.
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  Speaker 5: From Hamas, takes the foot off Harmasa's neck, eases up
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  Speaker 5: on them, is counterproductive to the negotiation. So Almanez he
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  Speaker 5: thinks he's so cool asserting his authority, but in reality
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  Speaker 5: this is actually delaying any prospective peace.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the US Allies, Canada, Australia, France, the UK are
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  Speaker 2: all working against what America is trying to achieve. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: Palestine and the conflict there continues to divide people here
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  Speaker 2: in Australia. A Sydney University professor, doctor David Brophy, he's
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  Speaker 2: a senior lecturer in modern Chinese history, is all upset
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  Speaker 2: because he was ordered to take down a Palestinian flag
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  Speaker 2: that he was flying from his office window. Now this
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  Speaker 2: relates to a university policy that was brought in after
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  Speaker 2: the encampments that we saw that were so controversial because
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  Speaker 2: they caused great pain.
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  Speaker 3: For Jewish student.
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  Speaker 2: So the university brought him a flag policy. It was
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  Speaker 2: thirteen pages long basically saying that you could not fly
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  Speaker 2: political flags or other such flags without approval. He flew
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  Speaker 2: it from his office window, was advised by email to
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  Speaker 2: take it down.
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  Speaker 3: He was told he could put it in a private space.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: But of course he didn't want to do that, because
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: what's the point of flying a flag if only he
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: could see it? So instead of taking it down, he
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: left it there and then arrived at his office shocked
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to find the university had taken it down themselves. He said,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: in good conscience he couldn't obey the flag policy. I
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: didn't notice that on doctor David Brophy's Twitter feed he's
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: got a photograph of himself.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: It was funny.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: We were talking the other day about what your home
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: lock screen on your telephone says, on your call device
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: says about you. Is twitter feed, he's got a photograph
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: of himself with a kefia and he must have been
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: on television because it's got a little tag at the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: bottom of the photograph.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: Saying his name pro tester. So obviously that's how he
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: likes to portray him now.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Like a typical useid academic.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: To me, I will go to bat for him on
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: one point, though he does quote the flag policy at
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: the university, which says it may be appropriate for flags
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to be displayed temporarily without prior approval. And he does
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: make the point, well, what's appropriate and what's a temporary
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: period is a bit nebulous. And on that point, maybe
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: he's got an argument that the university, if you're going
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: to have a flag policy, have a definitive not one
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: with enough wriggal room for people to play game.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I mean, you know, if you're flying a
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: nation's flag because it's their national day or something, it's
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: entirely different to what he is clearly doing, which is
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: making a political statement.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: So yes, it is a nation's.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: Flag that serves the purpose of talking about the nation,
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: but it's there for a political purchase for our well
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: actually a good point, good point, But it is there
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: for a political purpose, that's why he's us. So it
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: easy to fit. No different to you know, putting a
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: liberal or Labor party sign out the window. And if
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: you saw that at university, you'd probably go, why is
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: the academic flying their political parties thing out of the window.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: So if you're making a political statement, it shouldn't be there,
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: simple as that.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: But see my problem with this is the fact that
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: they even have to bring in a thirteen page flag
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: policy tells you everything you need to do without it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: I'm surprised it wasn't thirty pages, honestly, And the lawyers
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: will probably still go after this one as well, enough
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: to expand it and amend it and clarify it. But
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: the fact that you have to bring in these laws
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: in the first place tells you everything you need to
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: know about universities. And it's so ironic because the lefties
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: who were responding to this were just outraged the university
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: was cracking down on free speech. How could they limit
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: our ability to fly foreign flags? But when I was
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: a student, you said, anytime the Conservative Club wanted to
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: bring Tony Abbott onto campus, we got protested. Malcolm turmul
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: onto campus, the Law Society got protested. Any event that
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: wasn't a hard left socialist event would be shut down
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: by the very people who are now claiming to be
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: fierce defenders of free speech. So the hypocrisy of the
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: left on campus, that is what I can't deal with.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: As I've said before, you know, I'm happy to give
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: them their free speech as long as it goes both ways.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: You know, you can fly your Palestinian flag as long
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: as we can do what we want.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Fears fair, isn't it?
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: And how about this news reports a year on from
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: those pager attacks on his blaff. People remember members of
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: his Blood, the terrorist group from Lebanon, that Israel managed
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: to organize these pages to all blow up at the
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: same time. It was an incredibly targeted attack. Now, yes,
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: there were some family members who got caught up in it,
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: the whole this was an incredibly targeted attack on members
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: of a terrorist organization. And if you want to talk
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: about the legalities and the ethics of carrying out attacks
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: on a terrorist group, I'd say they had that one
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: downpack pretty much. But news organizations in the United States
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: seem to be very concerned about the welfare of these
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: people ap you'll know, of course, the Wire Service put
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: out a report with the headline Survivors of Israel's pager
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: attack on his Blah Struggle to recover and PBS.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Which is the public broadcast through in the United.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: States, Survivors of Israel's pager attack on his blah last year,
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: Struggle to recover.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: Shedding a tear for the struggle for them to recover
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: members of a terrorist organization. Now, look, I will say
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: it is a legitimate news story to report on how
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: these people are faring, because it was a pretty extraordinary
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: thing that Israel pulled off, So sure we want to
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: know what's going on afterwards. But when you read the
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: copy from both AP and the PBS, nowhere in there
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: does it say that his Blah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Is a terror organization.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: This sort of wistfully reporting on it as though these
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: are innocent people who just happened to be attacked for
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: some unknown reason. You can report on the matter, but
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: for goodness sake, be objective about it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And they show some of the children who were inadvertently
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: injured because they picked up a pager that then exploded.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: But of course the page belonged to an uncle or
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: a father who was part of Hesbalah. So the issue
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: here is not Israel targeting children. It's parents belonging to
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: a terror organization and then getting their kids caught up
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: in there. I think we've got a clip from the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Associated Press documentary just have a look at.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Some of this.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Santini was playing on his mobile phone at home when
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: an unfamiliar buzzing rang through the house.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: It was coming from his dance.
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: Padre Haribemalka at Nikolasha IBus ok.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: On Fushan.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: So I'm not sure if you noticed just behind that
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: child there on the left of your screen, that was
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: a photo of Hassan Nazraala, the leader of Hesbela. So
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: even as this child who has had his face disfigured
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: and his life permanently changed because of his family's association
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: and membership of Hesbela, even now they are memorializing the
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: leader by putting a photo behind the child. And this
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: just sums up the intractable nature of the conflict in
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: the Middle East. You have such deep hatreds that are
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: being inculcated into children, and they're being indoctrinated with this
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: stuff from such a young age. Even when they are
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: disfigured and maimed through a legitimate attack, of legitimate act
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: of self defense from Israel, the parents are still putting
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: photos of the leader of Hesbela in the interview.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And from a media perspective, the timing of this documentary
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is really interesting because Hesbela right now are under enormous
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: pressure to disarm in Lebanon and Lo and behold, the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: media put out a documentary encouraging sympathy and empathy for
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the members of Hesbala and their families. I fully expect
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: next the AP will put out a puff piece on
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: those responsible for the nine to eleven attacks, so we
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: can see how they're rebuilding their lives. I mean, it
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: shows you the kind of world that we're in now,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: where certain sections of the media don't hesitate to put
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: out articles and documentaries that are encouraging sympathy and empathy
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: for members of terrorist organizations. It's quite shocking the point
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: we've got to.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And won't refer to them as terrorist organizations.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, if you have to cover that
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: fact up, I think it's pretty clear that something is wrong.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: While we're talking about journalism and the media, of course,
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: we know one of the things that could really affect
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: what we do here at Sky News and across the
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: broader media is artificial intelligence. Now you would have heard
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: the other day the Productivity Commission. We talked about it
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: on the front of the Australian I think it was
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: yesterday's papers. We talked about it on Tuesday night, the
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: Productivity Commission recommending that basically copyright be extinguished for works
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: in Australia creative works, written works, etc. So it can
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: all be fed into AI bots and then we'll all
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: just see what happens after that.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Of course, what will happen after that is that it.
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: Will learn everything that I've ever written as a journalist,
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: everything I've ever done here, and sure enough after that
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: it'll probably be able to do my job for me,
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: and on and on that will go and we'll all
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: be put out of jobs. But James Patterson was on
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: SCAR News this morning of course talking about this and
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: is basically suggesting that, well, if we don't get in
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: on the act, we're going to be left behind. So
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: we've kind of got to do it anyway.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Take a look.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: The thing we would want to do is make Australia
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: a jurisdiction which is hostile to the roll out and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: development of AI technology, because that will just make me
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: miss out.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: Now, look, if you're wondering what else say I can do,
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: take a look at this one.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: Rod Stewart has been getting around at his concerts recently
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: showing people who have died this year, including Ozzie Osbourne,
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: and he has recreated them to show them like they're
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: hanging out with their help without official intelligence.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: Yes, projected on the screen during Rod's Charlotte's Show, that's
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: Ozzie seemingly snapping selfies with fellow lead singers Michael Jackson,
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: Freddie Mercury and Amy Winehouse. Yeah, I generated tribute upset
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: some fans, one writing quote, we are truly in the
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: end times another this is a new low.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: It was just remarked from the control room that Ozzie
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: looking really good there, so I'm sure he'd be happy
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: with that from the grave. So you know, it's the
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: light in shade of what AI can do. Allegedly, there
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: are legal implications about doing that kind of thing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: With the journalistic said this is a new low.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't see what's wrong with that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: It's like a tribute to people, and the.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Families of each of them had no problem with it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: So I think that's all you know much you do
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: about nothing, to be perfectly honest. But see, that's the
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: nice things that AI can do. But it does worry
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: me when you've got politicians, you know, opposition or otherwise
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: saying there's inevitability about this, that we have to get
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: in on the game or we're going to be left behind,
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: and I get from an economic perspective the argument, but
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: you know, it's kind of one that I wouldn't mind
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: being left behind on because the ultimate end game of
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: all of this is that if everything, every song ever
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: written in Australia, every book ever written in Australia, every
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: newspaper article ever written in Australia is fair game to
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: be chucked into an AI bot with no compensation for
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: the people.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Who wrote it. There's a hell of a lot.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: Of people who are going to be put out of
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: jobs very fast.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And the fact that even James Patterson, who we would
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: have high regard for, is very sharp on most issues.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: But the fact that even he is saying this is
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: one of those ones where you know what, there's the momentum,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: there's the move across the world. We've just got to
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: be part of it or we get left out demonstrates
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: just how difficult this situation is to resolve in a
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: way that is satisfactory to artists, to media and those
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: who are most affected.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but the challenge is, how on earth will you
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: ever actually have a system for compensation using AI. I
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: mean they're processing millions, billions of bits of information across
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: the Internet, and that's what makes the tool so powerful.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: They can take all of that and then transform it
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: and then be that technology can be applied to a
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: whole range of things. But this is the thing, I mean,
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: Trump made this point and White House has released a
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: new AI strategy that grapples with some of these issues.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: And people have been concerned, artists and media, how are
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: you going to compensate for copyright et cetera, et cetera,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: And he's basically just said, well, it's impossible.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: There is actually no way you can do it. And
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: unless you want the Western world to be.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Left behind, because China doesn't care, Russia doesn't care about
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: your copyright, they're leaping ahead. So unless you want us
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: left behind, what's the alternative?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: So, theft is okay as long as it's on a
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: grand scale and you can't go after people for doing it,
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: and we'll just throw our people under the buck.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: So what else would you propose we do?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Well, stop it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: It all needs to be stopped. I don't care by
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: what means. It all needs to be stopped. AI needs
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: to stop right now. It has to stop right now.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: But that, unfortunately is just not how the world works.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: So We're just going to go head first into our
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: own destruction because China wants to lead us into destruction.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: We're just going to go head first into our own
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: destruction because that is where we are headed. I mean,
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: these machines, you feed them all this gear, they become
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: it well. I mean they're already incredibly smart, but they
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: become smarter and smarter by the day. And when eventually
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: this stuff is hooked up to robotics, which it will be,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: we are heading to places that are so dangerous you
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: can't even conceptualize what it's going to do to us.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Right, And as you say, there's been plenty of warnings
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: by top tech people in Apple.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Elon Musk has been very ass is a major threat
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: to humanity.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: Even Sam Oltman from Open AI has said we're heading
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: towards And of.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Course all of those warnings have fallen by the wayside
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: as dollar signs spring up.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Fortunately, the Biden administration took this very seriously.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: You might remember they put Kamala Harris in charge of
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: protecting humanity from the dangers of AI.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: So it it's two letters, don't you know? Change I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: She once that was a great left to think.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: She could have been the leader of the free world Anthio,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: but Andez he probably would have met with her because
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: he would have fancied his chances of being on.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: The same level.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: We were talking last night when we look papers about
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: a plot of land very close to Parliament House in
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Canberra where the Russian government proposes to build an embassy.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: The Australian government is saying no, it's too much of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a security risk having a Russian embassy so close to Parliament.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: With technology the way it is these days, they could
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: very easily hack into parliamentary systems and steal our secrets. Well,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the UK has got a similar problem where the Chinese
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: government is proposing to build a mega embassy in the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: center of London.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: They've been proposing this for.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Quite some time and then they dropped the idea. But
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: when Kiostarmer's labor government came back into power, the Chinese
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: government got this idea back up again and has personally
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: been lobbing Kio Starma to get this mega embassy built.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And it was all going okay until they submitted their
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: final plans, but redacted and blocked out all of the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: plans for the basement of this so called mega embassy,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: which would raise a few questions. Clearly they're not planning
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: on just putting some table tennis tables in the basement,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: so people are worried. What are they planning that they
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: don't want to disclose. So now the Deputy Prime Minister
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Angela Raina has been given till the end of the
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: end of the year two weeks. Two weeks to make
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: a decision on this, and they've got to decide whether
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: they will allow the Chinese to go ahead though the
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Chinese will not say what they're doing in the basement
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of the embassy, or whether they'll upset.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: The Chinese by saying no, you cannot do this.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: The US have worn them, don't allow the Chinese to
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: build this embassy, and Sir Richard Dearlove, who was the
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: former head of MI six, has also told the UK
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: government don't do it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Do you think they'll heed the advice?
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I wonder well.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: China has two winks to provide the reasons for why
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: they've redacted those buildings and also provide full blueprints of
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: exactly what they'll entail, because it's not just the basement
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: they've blucked out, it's two entire buildings, and keep in mind,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: this embassy that they're building is on a five acre plot.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: In the middle of London.
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Now people have said this is going to turn into
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: a spy dungeon where you can essentially run your own
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: mini country within a country thanks to diplomatic immunity, and
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: on a five acre block with whole buildings that the
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: UK government would have no idea about the internal workings
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: of who knows what they're doing under there? And the
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: real fear is they're going to use this for massurveillance
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: operations and also to intimidate and target Chinese dissidents in
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: the UK. Now, I think there is absolutely no way
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: they can let this go ahead, and people should be
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: digging under the Chinese embassy in Australia and be investigating
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: what they've got.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Going under there as well.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: How stupid do they think we are? Oh, we'll just reject.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: It and no one will notice what's going on. I mean,
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: if you have to redact it, why, it's as simple
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: as that that you re dact things because for some
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: reason or another it shouldn't be in the public eye
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: for your own protection or for nefarious means. Right, So
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: if there are elements of this that they don't want
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: people to know about I think it's pretty fair to
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: ask the question what's in that part of the plan,
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: because it can't be anything good And honestly, if they
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: let them do it, let's just all pack up moves
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: to China, China, G we're over here. I mean, forget
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: about AI. We'll all be saying me, how before that
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: can be.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: We're meant to be reducing Chinese influence, not increasing it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: But you said, how.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Stupid the Chinese putting in plans where major sections have
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: been redacted? But how stupid must they think the UK
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: government is?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: How stupid do they think we are? And evidently the
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: answer is pretty bloody.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Spirit Well, the immigration policy.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: They've looked at a whole lot of other policies and thought,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you know what if all of that is allowed, I
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: don't think they'll have a problem with these plans exactly.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Well, also in the UK, and in similar big.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Brother fashion, really, the UK has an innovative plan to
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: track down hooligans at football games. They plan to spray
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: them with a special DNA tagging spray.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: This is invisible spray.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: But it can be detected for up to months after
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: you've been sprayed using a special UV light, and the
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: idea is if people are causing a raucous at football games,
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: they can spray people and then track the hooligans down later.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: Now it is a bit of a creepy prospect, I guess.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: And then the idea of the police coming around with
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: the little UV lights.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Have you been sprayed? Were you one of the hooligans?
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: But I will say my dad grew up in apartheid
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: South Africa and was a protester against apartheid, and they
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: had a similar thing there called the Purple rain March
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: where the police would put purple dye in the water
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: cannons and spray all of the protesters so you'd all
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: be covered.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: In purple, and that's how they would know who to arrest.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: That seems like a much more efficient way for doing
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: the exact same thing. They're going around with your little
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: UV light trying to catch the hooligans.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Well I want to know is what is you're a
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: bystand up?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: What if you get caught up in a mold I know,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: and you get sprayed and then months later the police
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: come around and they shine their UV light and yes,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you've got the ink on you that you didn't.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Even know was sprayed on you? What comeback? Do you
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: have to say? No, you weren't part of it, You
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: weren't well.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: You'd like to hope with the courts would expect a
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: little more evidence than just the presence of the of
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: the UV stuff.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: But what the hell is in this thing?
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: I mean, if it can stay on you four months
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: and you can't wash it off, I want to know
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: what the hell is in that because it cannot be healthy.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: I mean, if that's sitting on your body, irremovable four months,
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: I don't know, as it's seeping into your skin.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Something about that just doesn't seem quite right to me.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: The government wouldn't do something that was No.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Never, Caleb never Jams.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: We're to go to a break where we'll come back.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: We'll look at what's making news tomorrow, including a Palestinian
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: one who celebrated the October seven attacks given a visa
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: to come and live in Australia, and the Albanezi government
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: lowers the standard of English required for migrants to enter
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: this country.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: All of that and more after.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: This break, Welcome back to the program. Let's take a
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: look at what's making headlines in tomorrow's paper.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Caleb you've got the Australian.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: Actually, honestly, you know how much prep.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: We do for this show each night. One I mean
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: James rock Sap and he can't do his job.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I want to do that again.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: We've got the Australian newspaper and Freya has got all
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the details coming up now.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: We love you James.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: In the Australian, the headline is future not made with handouts.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Australia's former competitions are Graham. Samuel has called on Anthony
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: Albanize in Jim Charmers to end multi billion dollar industry
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: subsidies and tell companies seeking handouts or bailouts that.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Enough is enough.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Ahead of the Treasure's three day Economic Reform Roundtable this month,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: which will discuss how to encourage greater competition in the
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: market to drive productivity and investment, Professor Samuel urged the
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: government to allow the private sector to stand.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: On its own two feet. I mean common sense statement.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: You wouldn't think this would make front page news ever really,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: but the fact that it is tells you a lot
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: about where the Australian economy is at the moment. It
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: is being driven by public sector spending and handouts to
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: massive corporations for stupid enterprises that would never make money
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: in the private sector. If you can't stand on your
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: own two feet, if you can't make a profit, it
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: shouldn't be the taxpayer subsidizing you.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the renewables industry can absolutely love this recommendation. It's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: just nice to see some good advice provided to Jim
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Chalmer's Economic Groundtable insteader some of the crazy ideas that
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: have been proposed over the last week.
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Yes, could you see its advice And you're under no
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: obligation to take.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Y And we know cutting spending is something the Albanesi
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: government probably will not be doing. But also on the
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: front page of the Australian tomorrow, English visa bar lowered.
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: The Albanesi government has quietly lowered the minimum English test
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: mark to be eligible for some visas, in a move
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: for Coalition says will exacerbate Australia's out of control migrant intake.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: On Tuesday, Assistant Immigration Minister Matt Fislthwaite ordered the minimum
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: test mark for some to have functional English skills be
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: lowered for some exams prospective migrants can take to prove
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: their proficiency. This is the first time in ten years
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: the minimum scores have been updated. So right now, when
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: we have social cohesion issues, we've got a country that
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: feels more fragmented and divided than ever before record migration
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: that the community is not happy with. The Government's big
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: idea is to lower English entry requirements. This seems really,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: really silly.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: It's an incredibly silly idea and as the opposition points out,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it'll exacerbate out of control the immigration intake.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: But the bigger problem is social cohesion.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: If you're trying to get people to move in the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: same direction and to live together with one identity and
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: by one identity. I don't mean people can't have their diversity,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: but we're all Australians. But if you can't speak the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: same language, what hope of sort of coming alongside each
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: other with similar values, etc. Remember we had that story,
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: was it a week ago where foreigners coming to the
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: country were failing their drivers' license tests because.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: They couldn't read the road signs. That English was so poor.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Already driving on our roads by the way.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: So in response to that story, the government's great idea is,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: let's bring in more people who read even less English.
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: It's a disaster, and I think it does a disservice
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: to the margrants as well, because if you come to
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: the country with functional English already, you at least can
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: sort of get, you know, feed on the ground and
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: get going when you get here. But you're saying you
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: come to Australia you can't speak English. Oh well, maybe
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: you'll work it out later on, you know. I think
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: it duds us as much as it duds them as well.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the front page of Tomorrow's Herald's Son
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: an incredible story there at exclusive woman who celebrated hermas
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: deadly attack on Israel has been given visa to Australia,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: boast her extremist supporters hate to get a mate, reads
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the headline. A Palestinian woman who thanked Allah for keeping
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: her alive long enough to witness Hermasa's deadly October twenty
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: twenty three attack on Israel. She sounds delightful could soon
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: be in Australia. Weeks after Prome Minister Anthony Albinezi welcome
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: to report calling for applicants to be barred for extremist views,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: including anti Semitism. Supporters have claimed a visa has been
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: granted to Mona Zahid, who rejoiced as Hermas's attack was
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: still underway, posting quote, we woke up and got God's kingdom,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: didn't We just have Tony Burke the other day thing
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: that he has been denying visas left, right and center
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: because social cohesion is so important and he doesn't care
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: about free space for it. He just wants to keep
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the country safe. Next minute we read a Palestine woman
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: with these kind of views has been given a visa.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I just I laugh because I don't know what else
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to say. How obvious is this stuff?
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: Like you don't let people into your country who clearly
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: have an issue with your country and its people.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: It seems like straightforward.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: But what would I know. I'm just some bloke on
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: the telly. Let's go to the courier mail tomorrow. We're
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: at this shocking story hanging up on victim. Six five
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: hundred and ninety women called for DV help. Three eight
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: hundred and twenty nine were ignored.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: Thousands of calls for help from domestic violence victims went
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: unanswered after DV connect Star failed to turn up to work.
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: A damning report reveals the extent of the problems plague
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: plaguing ev Connect, the government contracted provider of domestic and
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: family violence helplines.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Has been revealed in an order.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: October twenty twenty four mark the peak of DV Connects
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: staff crisis, when threey eight hundred and twenty nine of
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: the six thousand, five hundred and ninety calls made to
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: Women's line went unanswered, a whopping fifty eight point one percent.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, what is the point of having a help
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: line that you can call if there is no one
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: there to answer the phone. How can you be in
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: such a staffing crisis that more than half of the
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: phone calls that are being made cannot be answered? And
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: how awful to be someone? And I mean.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: This is for women's line.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: I imagine there's an equivalent that other people can call too.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: But imagine being a woman in that situation and you're like,
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: I just I really need someone to talk to you
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: to give me some advice, and the phone hangs up.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: It would be an awful feeling.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: So the government will immediately sec DV connect, cancel their
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: contract and find someone that can do the job, won't.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: They Ideally I doubt it because they're generally been subspitious.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: It should the contract should be immediately kept.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: There doesn't ever seem too much accountability when it comes
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: to this thing.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: Down the Story on the front of the courier mail.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: You know they're taking a leaf out of Sydney's book.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Ear Gar's a rally for Bridge.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: A pro Palestinian group has sought to shut down the
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Story Bridge from mass protest in an action to mirror
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: the Mammoth march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge. It's planned
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: for August twenty four. It's up to the coppers in
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: the first instance any way, to make a call on this.
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: But who would have thought that the social contagion would
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: catch on across the border?
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Right, yeah, exactly right. Well that's what people warned about
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: copycat protests. I think we've just opened a whole new
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: can of worms. But in the Daily Telly tomorrow the
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: headline is no more new taxes. PM slaps down treasurer
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: ahead of reform summit. Anthony Albinezi has killed off major
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: changes to taxation ahead of his government's upcoming economic roundtable,
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: A day after treasure Jim Chalmers said he wouldn't go
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: knocking off ideas ahead of the summit. So currently we've
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: had the government commit to not cutting spending, not raising
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: taxes or changing taxes, So what reform is actually going
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: to occur.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I'm genuinely curious.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: It's also interesting the byplay between Anthony Albanezi and Fim
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Charmers and the jockeying that seems to be going on there.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Women's basketball in the United States is suddenly very popular,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: but for all the wrong reasons, and a new trend
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: among adults who are sucking on dummies to relieve stress.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: All of that and more.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: After the break, all right, Women's basketball in the United
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: States has suffered from a lack of popularity, but Caleb,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: maybe that's changing.
• 45:51
  Speaker 6: Well far those other things I never thought i'd say
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: on television. But in the WNBA, the Women's National Basketball
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: Association in the United States, there is a new fad
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: where people throw six toys or as Paul Murray calls
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: the marital aids, specifically green ones, onto the court during play.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: Take a look, Hayes gets plucked by my cause, well,
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: something applies on the court actually from the crowd.
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: The officials will say they will continue play as that
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: goes off the fingertips of the valkyries.
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: And you can see the object the block right there,
• 46:31
  Speaker 10: and the object comes that green thing bounces and it
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: goes to the sideline.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: We're not exactly where.
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: I'm not sure where it came from.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: No room for any of that type of activity. Yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: and no once picked the object up. Yet you got
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: to go, oh my gosh.
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: Okay, oh look out, something just came into the floor.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: And an object that just flew in as the free
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: throw has been made, you look like that hit a
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: player too.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: Now why they're green, I don't specifically know. Apparently there's
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: now beating agencies book. He's offering you can have a
• 47:14
  Speaker 6: bed on what the next color is going to be.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: It's an interesting development in women's basketball.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: It's happened in three games over the space of about
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: a week and a half, so clearly there's a copycat
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: factor here, and basketball administrators are not happy because the
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: women's game is already a bit of a joke in
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the United States.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: Jane, no, it's not. The women's game is not a joke.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: The women's game in the United States is actually surging
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: in popularity. They are finally attracting people. Before people started
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: throwing marital aids onto the court, it was already surging
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: in popularity. This is so disrespectful to these athletes. I
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: don't want to be a party pooper, but I do
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: not find this funny.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: If one of those married aides actually goes through the hoop,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: it will be the first time anyone's made a shot
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: in women's.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Long Are you trying to take a shine?
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Honestly, let's move on.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Cockatoos have always been entertaining birds, but maybe more entertaining
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: than anybody thought.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: A study by Charles Stur.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: It's very hard to do this while you were both laughing,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: but Charles Sturt University has discovered that cockatoos have more
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: than thirty distinct dance moves, including headbanging, body rolls.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: And they can sidestep intentionally to music. Here's some of
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: what they put together.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: They analyze forty five social media videos to work out
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: they've got thirty distinct moves From us, we get a
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: bird of cockatoo.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Is the one to get how inspiring?
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: In China, I think the young people there certainly have
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: some issues because the latest trend are adult dummies or
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: pacifies that you suck on. They're bigger than what you
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: would give to babies. They're adult size, and some stores
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: are saying they're selling two thousand of these a month.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, tell me you have mummy issues without telling
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: me you have mommy issues.
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: What they take them to in WNBA games.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for tonight. Stick around for
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: the Independant show that's coming up now