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ABJ Podcast Ep 66 Jaco · ABJ

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the a
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BJ podcast episode 66 with Jocko.
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The greatest. Damn showman.
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The greatest damn, showman is going to be joining the greatest
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damn podcast. I said it, I don't care.
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Come for me. I want that smoke.
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We're so he'll be here in a minute.
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What's going on? My guy?
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What's up, what's up? First of all, let me just stick
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children creatures,
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freaks of all ages is, he's, I just mean, he's the greatest
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Hampshire monopolist in the street, Jackal welcome.
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To the greatest. So, All right, is now going to
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that kid up. The guy that killed his kids, a
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maniac. Yeah man, dude, I'm so happy.
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Yeah, that that we're doing this.
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It's been a journey. I unintentionally intentionally
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booked the entire takeover somehow.
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In one month, we try to get face but he wouldn't talk to me so
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he's a nonsense actually. I said we do a podcast.
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He just went And I said I'm going to fuck off.
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I'll see you later. Yeah.
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So man. Thank you, once again for doing
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this. This is this is a blast.
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We've had many conversations on every side of the guardrail that
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you could imagine and honestly you're one of my favorite people
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have a conversation with and before the cameras roll we got
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All right, Jocko first off. Let's talk about, let's knock
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this out of the way right away. Let's get the basic questions
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about the softballs, the Jitters.
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It's get the nerves out. Let's go.
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Did you fall in love with professional wrestling?
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So it was fun. I was talking to my girl about
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this yesterday because, you know, I have two kids for those
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who don't know, my daughter loves it.
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My son doesn't, so my son, kind of reminds me of me when I was
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like really young. I didn't I couldn't care for
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wrestling for some reason. I just didn't I didn't, I didn't
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like it. I don't know why.
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I just didn't like it. It wasn't till like you know
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maybe he's gonna be like me later.
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Like when I hit 10 years old there was just something it was
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something different something. Collect.
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It was like seeing Undertaker and The Undertaker's.
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Very daunting, very captivating, very mysterious very like Erie.
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And it was like, it was like, I was so fucking cool.
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It's like this is do. What the what is?
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What's this hole? Just the entrance.
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He called me on his interest. I didn't see I didn't need to
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see a move. It was just as entrance that
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caught me. I was just like, this is, this
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is pretty, this is pretty cool. I like this.
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It took the hat off his eyes Road little at superpowers.
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I was like I like super heroes growing up.
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So I was like this is like super hero shit school and then you
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know, later on the card, you Like he seemed like the smaller
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guys, the High Flyers items, like Paul London, and Brian
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Kendrick, at the time, was a tag team.
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They're like, so like Flippy and I just, I never seen you like
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that. I was like, I didn't know people
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could move like that. You know, they know the human
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body could do this. It was so weird.
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It was so odd. It was just like something like
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that. Around that time I would say
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just a combination of like seeing something as captivating
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ear don't think is the only taker.
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That's something as crazy. And fast-paced and like
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superhero. OS cuz like high-flying Palm in
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the Brian Kendrick and Jeff Hardy's and shit like that.
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Yeah pro wrestling is a variety show, I think.
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Anthony Green side of the bus, it's essentially The Muppet
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Show. Rest, professional wrestling is
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the Muppet Show was comedy. There's drama, they're sad,
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there's excitement. There's a hatred, There's Scary,
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they're spooky. There's a confusion.
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There's if you don't, if you don't leave a wrestling show,
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physically exhausted mentally exhausted because your that show
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has taken you through the gamma of your emotions and Feelings.
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And if you don't go to a wrestling show and put yourself
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in a scenario that you feel those, those range of emotions
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and feelings you're doing it wrong.
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I know mentally after commentary, I'm shot I'm saying,
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done spent the next day, I just sit in a dark room because I
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can't. You just you put so much of
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those emotions into a match your last match at iwa man.
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I did. I was getting.
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I was emotional after you guys get I felt it.
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Like there was a moment and like I want to bring it up.
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Up that I loved the during the match where like it was just
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it's just something so simple. Like I was just chopping, the
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shutout, PJ chop them in the corner and then like little
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crook trap. Whatever is like kind of like
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jumped in the way whatever and the crowd starts chanting, Jack,
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Go, Jack. And then you you stop, you stop
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talking. He just stopped talking just
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like let it sink in it was like and I was like, that's what I
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can tell. So cool, so cool.
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Yeah that's that's, that's definitely something I had to
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learn and I try to tell other people on commentary is you
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don't have to talk the whole time.
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Yeah. Sometimes just let them match.
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And what's happening speak for itself?
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And I learned that at the sanctuary because the sanctuary,
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like, the cameras are going to pick up your speech.
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Is a cat. The cameras are right there on
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top of you. So if you're talking in the ring
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or your character, is someone who speaks a lot to their
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opponent, That's something you should hear.
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Now obviously, you don't want people here, call it anything
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and other things but like, yeah. Yeah.
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But you you also you should you should you should let those
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moments of the match breathing and if you're close enough to
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the ring, or if you're lucky enough to be in a sanctuary
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where sound travels, the way it does, yeah, pick up on those
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nuances and listen to what they're saying to each, other
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are good at reading lips. Like I don't like the measure
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me, PJ you knew it was gonna be loud.
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You knew those gonna be like a lot of like, banter between
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Tween us to, which there was like, if you listen to the
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message, like you would hear me. You were was talking so much
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shit. And like as the match was going
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on, like, from like the second, we walk through the current will
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just talking shit to each other. Like looking at each other
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across the ring. At one point, we start name
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dropping people with trained with that one point at one
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point, I started renting his arm out of this is for cowboy it was
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just like I was just like yeah so we if you listen to the
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podcast back please do with PJ Savage and Gee, this is kind of
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a little bit of a Trilogy of a podcast.
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If you will of the Journey of a stable and the journey of people
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who've come from the same school and, and our and are at a point
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now in their career, where you guys are all kind of two
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together but also doing your own things and trying to stand out
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amongst out of the stable and amongst yourselves which is
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really fascinating and fun to watch.
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So how much of that was a And how much of that was maybe the
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the legit rivalry of what's going on and kind of putting the
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two together and into a performance, pulling back the
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curtain a little bit here. You know.
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I mean but like kind of living was to work.
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It was weird because like I'm pretty sure I think PJ touched
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on it a little bit. Maybe John's bougie set up,
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something about it as well. Like Things were fine.
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So after the STP show, after the STP show things got weird, I
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could I don't know exactly what it was but there were tensions
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after the STP show, like there were Even even building up the
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last EP show there were tensions, you know, awesome,
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butting heads people arguing about certainty, PRS 80s, TV,
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STP, chainsaw promotions, the takeovers STP show.
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Ya, gotcha. So that was the lead up to that
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and then after that it was just like, things were weird.
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We tried we butt heads but we tried to like, ignore things
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were weird. And then that summer I took a
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mental break and I needed like just feel like and we'll get
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into that later but like that type of stuff I need a mental
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break, just needs to breathe. You know, I was still there but
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mentally I was gone and then I come back at the like a few
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weeks like just not talking to people and then like, came back.
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I was like, Hey, so this is going to happen.
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I was like, what do you mean this is gonna be?
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So yeah. Well, John's leaving the group.
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Poop. What the fuck's going on here?
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What do you mean John's leaving the group?
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I didn't believe it. You know.
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I just thought, yeah, whatever. You know?
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I said, I thought it was gonna blow her until like it was.
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It wasn't real till it happened. Yeah.
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Like when It was take over versus the Golems which was so
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fucking fun. Oh, I was so fun, so fun to do.
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When I pass buoys, the briefcase I'm holding Killian up and he
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goes, and he swings that briefcase and I don't know if
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you've noticed, like PJ, you've seen his Invictus, his former
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Invictus briefcase, yet just long heavy chain.
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He swings that briefcase and slow motion Killian moves.
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I just see the Chain Swing. I'm like, oh, this is gonna hurt
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change, smacks me, I clean on the eye.
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And that's lay there now. I was like, holy shit.
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This is It's really just happened.
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This this motherfucker really just hit me like this really
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happened. And then after the match he gets
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on the mic and I didn't know what he was gonna say.
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I figured he might say something that's what's gonna happen, I
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didn't know what and then like hearing him say all this stuff
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like I know his was like anger was I know who it was towards
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and what it was towards about but he took it out on like
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everyone and I still don't year. I was hurt that was so angry
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about it. I was just like Is I FF P.
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JF Jacko face is closing. Fuck.
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Did I do? Yeah, dick I just took a mental
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break. I was just trying to escape and
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you know I get it. Maybe I didn't put my part as
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much as I should have during the group.
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You know I'm saying? I probably should have put a
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little bit more work in certain aspects.
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I get that but I needed a yeah, I was just going through some
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stuff. I was that's Linda discussion
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but yeah it was just it was tough.
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It was tough to like Let it sink to watch it happen, you know?
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Yeah. Well I definitely see.
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I mean for bujji's aspect PJ is when you look at the group.
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He's top dog. And then PJ and and bujji is
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someone who's not going to take a second seat to a 22 that he
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wants to be top dog. Taking a face is essentially a
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very nice security blanket to have you tagging together for a
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very long time. That has been.
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That is Then your tag team partner, but but the I think the
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difference with a lot of like the Takeover or with bougie and
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face and the difference between that and the faceless ones is
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you and face, you didn't rely on face to be the muscle.
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You felt like you brought just as much to the tag team has
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faced it and I thought, you and face complement, each other very
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well. We're more now, bujji is faces.
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Like the pit bull for him, if that makes sense?
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And, and I hate that. I know I've said this before.
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But the day face finds out that are the day face one, Shiny
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Gold, are he gets a blood thirst for title belts.
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There's a lot of people who are fucked in this restaurant
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industry. He's the sides.
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F, all this. I want it now.
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Yeah, everyone screwed. Like, face is a monster for dude
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and faces like I can't, I don't know what goes that man said, I
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don't know, unless he's phases cool.
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Ricky prices. Faces, cool.
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Yeah, this is crazy, he's rivaling with bougie, so he's
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already, he's aware of what's Happening.
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Yeah, he knows, he knows why he's saying what he's saying
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that. Okay, cool.
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Yeah, you can't, you can't. I don't know.
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It's just phase. You can, you don't know, you
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don't know what faces thinking, but he's, he's one of the most
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talented dudes. Out there like I trained with
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them, I watched him from when he was to what he is.
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He is one of the most time to dudes and that's one thing with
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just this entire group, they're all very talented and I feel
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like no one in the group has really touched anyone near their
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Peak yet. No, not even close, you know?
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So it's just like, you haven't seen the best of PJ.
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You haven't seen the best of Fuji.
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I can damn sure I was in the best of me.
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I'm seeing the best of face watching that animal comes out
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of face and just aside from the animals.
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You think of just uh, Scary girl, like there's more to it.
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Yeah. He's he's a beast in the game
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gaming with Justin says, I gotta ask, man, what was it like going
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through had one face walked out and you because you guys been
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tension? Teaming, since Johnny Rodz and I
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want to know what was going through your head.
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All right, so What was that the day you were?
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There were you there that day? For February an update where you
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there that they know? I was not.
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I alright. That's alright.
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So, it was the Fatal 4-way tag match, when I sing this matter
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of paper. I was so annoyed by it because
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that's a lot of people. so everything happens me and face
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the last come out Champions, no last come out whatever and I
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didn't expect like, you know, I'm not leaving their fucking
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crazy and loud and there's like us, you know, I was going
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through a leading up to it too and just like Walk the current
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and he was just like amped for us and I do and you know, I do
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my little little skip thing that's around the time.
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We're kind of really started and I was just in my lap, run
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skipping around the ring and they were just going crazy.
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And I was just in my house as feeling it, I was feeling that
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day. I was like, on cloud nine, I was
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just feeling. I didn't do much that entire
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match. I think like a jumped off the
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top to the outside and I did like something small, I don't
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know. I feel like I didn't do anything
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that that match that I got tagged in.
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Took some clothes lines from a dude, named is a spalding.
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Gave me AB of you, buddy. Want to go tagging face?
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No, supposed to be this big man. Big man moment puts his hand
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out. I was ready.
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He just slapped me slides it out and that was, what was that?
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Was another thing was just weird.
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It was a weird feeling because like None of these, not least
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one of those places. I like, you can feel when the
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crowd feels. So it's like, it's so hard to
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explain. And this is why we tell people.
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If you're in the New Jersey area are, you can make the drive to
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their do. So because those tickets sell
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out fast for a reason because those fans are invested in the
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product and invested what happens there.
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And it is there's no energy like that building.
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So when he pulled his hand out, like you hear, I was hurt, but I
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was more hurt for everyone watching.
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It was something like I kind of seen coming, you know, like
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seeing it coming but they did it.
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So like you heard like their hearts say you heard the gasps
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you heard and he got quiet for a second.
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I was like, oh, this is weird and then I got hit and then I
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don't remember anything after that.
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But like it was a moment when he moved his hand, the crowd gasps
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of just like, that's it's really fucking happy and it's got
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really quite like and then, you know, lying or one or whatever.
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Then they started getting angry. Again, I was out as there's not
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lie. There we go.
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Go. Yeah, so when this when the band
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breaks up and and I obviously we've talked numerous times and
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it's been, it's been debated, highly debated amongst the team
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of who's ranked, where and who feels they fall into what place
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I feel with. And I don't mean disrespect when
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I say this, but I think when people look at the squad I think
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sometimes you fall down down the list a little bit and, and I but
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the thing is, is I any point in time I say that You you're
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always a guy who can fill in any of those shoes as well, but I
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always thought for a while there that the biggest hang-up that
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you had, you are your biggest opponent.
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It's not anyone in that group. It's not anyone in a locker
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room. It's not anyone else in your
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life. It's you you have you for
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watching you from the sanctuary and going from this like I
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didn't see your Johnny Rodz days.
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I didn't see the New York days. I just seen from you at
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Sanctuary to where I see you now on from when and all these other
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promotions when I watch her footage you are.
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Now, finding yourself, you are now your become.
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You're starting to believe that you are the greatest and showman
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when you say it, you believe it when you when it said, you feel
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it. So, when you have that match
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one-on-one with with, with PJ, and I feel like, I feel like
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something on locked in you that night, is that the moment where
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you start feeling like, I I belong here, I feel like I've
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claimed. I've made my steak, are you
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still searching? Going for that feeling.
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When when did that come for you or when when ours is something
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you're still searching for? So I've had bits and pieces of
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my career where like I felt like that felt like that early and
22:32
Johnny's little here and there, you know, but like on the
22:37
independent level like something like yeah.
22:38
Sometimes like I guess I like feel it with the group but in
22:42
terms of by myself, it was a little bit different places like
22:49
The iwa show of were face turned on me, even though he turned on
22:52
me, like, that shows, like, still got such an insane
22:56
reaction. I was like, wow, these people,
22:59
like, I really, we really made them care.
23:02
These people really care. So, that was one.
23:05
And then I was like, I think it's just everything after that.
23:08
Like even though he turned on me, there was so much good just
23:12
coming out of just like, because I was around the time I was
23:14
like, pushing out singles Jaco and just in general, So just
23:21
around that time. Like I did tighten I think maybe
23:24
month after it was like a fatal 4-way and the last it was down
23:27
to like me and rocket. And like you've seen rocket.
23:31
Russell and rock. Russell's crowd, chants rocket.
23:35
So, it was like a funeral for was me J.
23:37
Carroll, Daniel, Alexander rocket.
23:39
Daniel Alexander rocket. When they're in the ring.
23:41
You chant for Dan Alexander Rocky?
23:43
Yeah, they're there. It's hard.
23:45
It is hard to stand out. When rocking and Dallas, Daniel,
23:48
Alexander are in the ring. So what I think, if there's
23:50
anyone that can do that, I think it was that tight.
23:54
It was a tiny show and it was, it was elimination match.
23:56
And this down, just me and rocket.
23:58
And the crowd was split between me and rocket.
24:01
And I think that was one of the more realizations.
24:05
I was like, holy shit, I just like, split this crowd with
24:08
fucking rocket. That's pretty fucking dope.
24:12
That was like confidence boost. I was okay, but what now and
24:16
then like less than a week later was the wind show.
24:20
It was a scramble match. And I wasn't even supposed to be
24:24
on that show. I think I want to I want to dive
24:27
into that a little bit because I don't like that.
24:29
Show face opens up. Yes you're not booked.
24:34
PJ's Main Event you guys rolling together kind of pulling back
24:38
the curtain, you're there. You're with each other, you're
24:41
Rockin, you're supporting each other.
24:43
Everyone's in the back, their peak of the curtains there,
24:45
there cheering their boys on you weren't booked and then you were
24:50
thrown in which is essentially You're in the promoters and
24:53
everybody else you're thrown into the multi-man match.
24:56
Hey, this is the spot where we get people kind of we say this
25:00
is what we're going to pay attention and see if you can
25:02
shine, but this is essentially the filler spot to get people in
25:05
and just go out and do crazy shit.
25:07
And let's see what happens and you're in there with once again,
25:10
very talented people, people who are show, Stealers people who
25:15
can do, all of those things to stand out and you stood out.
25:19
Like, and also, I believe you stood out is because Cuz of the
25:23
work you guys did as a stable as takeover, like people are
25:26
invested in this group. And this group is going through,
25:29
and I think people are starting to see this solo side of Jocko
25:33
emerge. You have a great look.
25:35
If a great entering, you have a great confidence and I know you
25:38
don't you your start was slowly starting to find it yourself,
25:40
but you are winning over crowds. Thank you.
25:44
So I'll touch on the when they originally that match was not
25:52
going to. Who?
25:53
Because I think they've said the think this person has come
25:56
forward to say, he was supposed to be in that much, but then I'm
26:00
supposed to me. I feel, I think he said it.
26:03
Yeah, whatever. Yeah.
26:05
He said he was supposed to be in this match and then he declined
26:08
for his reasons and then they decided.
26:10
Hey, but Jaco and then match crap comes out to me and the
26:13
six-way. I was there.
26:14
I knew I was gonna wrestle and I was supposed did.
26:17
I was just somebody like saying, give it a coat and then like Not
26:22
to toot my own horn but I got one hell of a reaction.
26:25
Sure did. And I was like, throughout the
26:27
whole match and it was like, it was really shocking.
26:31
I think that was another. Another thing that was like,
26:34
that reaction like that really, like, did it for me, too.
26:37
I was like, holy shit. I'm really, this is really
26:40
fucking moving right now. This is like this is working a
26:44
lot more this working a lot, but I thought it wouldn't a lot
26:48
faster than I thought it would and it was just like from their
26:51
star. Raspy moaning then became the PJ
26:54
masks. But also I know people just like
26:56
think like the scramble match the like six minutes.
26:58
Like the film that I fucking love those matches.
27:01
I think talent-wise. I don't love it, but I think
27:04
promoters of the promoters don't put as much stock into those
27:07
matches. They probably should let them.
27:09
I don't give a fuck. Well, people don't put people's
27:12
mindsets that they I don't know how long I'm not saying that
27:19
when did that. I'm just saying no no no Jordan
27:23
when they put together a scramble scramble is we have six
27:26
people in a card or maybe a match fell apart.
27:28
So we're going to throw people in this family.
27:31
When did care about individuals within the scramble.
27:33
They they cared about individuals in this country
27:36
percent. Get about scrambles, that's
27:37
number. Was there to this in the
27:40
scramble? They did it was never get his
27:43
own people on the show, then do something forward with him.
27:46
Storyline wind because wind is Carolina, whatever.
27:49
Yes. But that scramble you you stood
27:52
out when you didn't technically have a seat at the table.
27:56
Yes. And now you now they pulled up a
27:58
chair for you. Yes, that's exactly what it is.
28:00
And like I said, like, that's I love that.
28:03
Like I loved, I loved it because it was like there wasn't an
28:09
expectation like, because they didn't like I wasn't supposed to
28:12
be in in the fact that like, I just knocked the damn ball at
28:15
the park. So, well, Was hell, yeah.
28:16
Let's let's keep this ball rolling.
28:18
And then the next stop was one of the next stops next up.
28:21
And remember that I remember, was me versus PJ.
28:25
Yeah. The the the momentum you're
28:28
getting is amazing. Did you ever think to yourself
28:30
that you would get a such positive Babyface reaction when
28:34
you've played that bad guy roller so long, such an asshole.
28:38
So like, I'm sorry, I thought I don't think it'll work because I
28:43
was just like, I'm such an asshole.
28:44
Yeah, I'm saying, like, I'm such an asshole was like a damn good
28:47
at being an asshole and the special moves that Sanctuary
28:52
like we made kids cry. Yeah.
28:55
We literally, like I would kneel or sit down on the ramp and just
29:00
like talk and the kids was start crying.
29:06
Like that's not super baby face material.
29:09
I didn't think I was gonna work. I don't think.
29:11
I have like a very high-pitched people's people stay at a very
29:14
high pitch annoying voice. So, like I worked with this.
29:17
I made it louder, you know? So it's like I just expect to
29:22
get booed every time I open my mouth but just like lately as it
29:25
fucking happened. So I don't do.
29:28
I always had like when as soon as you start doing I was like
29:31
dude you could be this like Jocko could be a monster baby
29:33
face if used properly you have a good look.
29:36
Like I said, everything is there for you can but I think like out
29:39
of the whole stable, like, TJ can be the badass where he can
29:43
play a tweener face can be the badass tweener but when it comes
29:46
down to like the Charisma and what's their like you you have
29:49
the most potential to play the extreme of either side or play
29:54
the middle. You know what I mean?
29:55
Like you have that ability to do so thank you.
30:01
So let's kind of rewind know, I know it was kind of talked about
30:04
a few times on the podcast, what kind of dive into it real quick
30:07
but training wise. When did you become from a Fen
30:11
to During your school and then why did you pick the school that
30:14
you went to? So remember fucking ear that I
30:21
seen the show but um Johnny Johnny does like School shows
30:27
like monthly or so well used to and when I was like, that's
30:33
probably 2010-2011 something like that.
30:37
Like my uncle's friend Russell there.
30:41
Time. So they would just selling
30:42
tickets. Yeah, come to my show.
30:44
Let's try some stickers so that, you know, they brought me along
30:47
because I know like wrestling and like it was big, big cash.
30:52
Was there at the time, it was funny, dude.
30:55
I I have Enzo and Cass pops and I got Enzo to sign it but the
31:01
day. So unfortunately that's when
31:04
Cass had the passed out and he fainted and had to get rough.
31:09
And then and then a couple weeks after that is When his demons
31:12
got the best move again, and then he had that back room
31:15
locker room situation, then the few weeks later, it was supposed
31:18
to be them to out a show in Pennsylvania, and then that's
31:21
when he casts went to GDP. And then he started living there
31:25
for a while and getting a stuff together.
31:27
And then I met them again at another show.
31:29
But at the time I did forgot. I own this because I had it
31:31
packed away. So I didn't bring it.
31:33
But I did get the chance to sit down and talk to him and what,
31:37
what a fucking sweetheart. Yeah, I'm a banging.
31:39
Yeah, I hate the name. Big Bill.
31:41
I hate it so much. I pulled him aside and I was
31:50
like dude, like I'm so happy that you figured your life out
31:54
because I think you your sky's the limit for you, you look
31:57
fucking amazing. You look better now than you
31:59
ever did in your entire career. Like and then I kind of told
32:02
him, I'm like, I'm, I've became close with your stomping
32:08
grounds. Like I've learned a lot of where
32:10
you've come from and who you are as A person because of, where
32:12
you trained, a Gleason's and Johnny Rodz and cowboy and stuff
32:15
like that. And he's like all of that.
32:17
That means a lot, you know what I mean?
32:18
Like so I'm I will always be willing and more safer.
32:26
Think it was right before. I don't remember they feels like
32:32
right before everything happened or like right after that, they
32:39
DP thing. But he came through too.
32:41
Honey's one time, he just spoke he just came and spoke to us for
32:44
like a good like two hours. And.
32:46
Yeah, and now he's just super. Super sweet, dude.
32:49
Super nice, dude. Very knowledgeable and the dude
32:53
moves. He a big do, but he moves.
32:56
He's like better. Now that I've ever seen him,
32:58
like if you sleep he was he was opposed to my Rampage.
33:02
It was like a triple threat thing, but like him and swerve.
33:05
And I remember the third person, but he was just moving that
33:09
whole match, like he was just like, Going and I was like,
33:13
goddamn yeah but no one did. What him and ends up dead and
33:18
that would be as soon as like bro, don't like what they did
33:22
and what they would pull off on the mic and the crowd in the
33:25
merchandize. And everything they did is was
33:27
so was it an anomaly and people hate on it like, oh, it wasn't
33:31
that like, Fu when it was there. You were a fan, shut the hell
33:34
up. It was good, it was, it was
33:36
entertaining as fuck. Like most over like I own so
33:40
much End Zone cash. A smart, you would.
33:42
And I, you know, I mean and this was before I knew where he came
33:45
from and everything like that, it's, he's fantastic.
33:48
Yeah, but um, so yeah, seen him and him obviously accompanied by
33:54
Cowboy Billy Walker, fellas, don't know.
33:57
And we'll get more into Cowboy as we move onto one actually
34:00
started training, but I've seen those two and it was just like,
34:05
That was the first time I seen rustling independently live.
34:10
Now, this kind of cool. Now looked it up after I was
34:12
like oh this is a school. I'm gonna go here when I turn
34:15
18, like that's all it was. I went to the show and I was
34:18
like, oh this is the school cool.
34:19
I don't have to look anymore already found its in New York,
34:22
perfect. That's all.
34:23
It was. What was this?
34:24
One's from where you lived in to this club?
34:27
I'm in the Bronx. That's Brooklyn but it's like
34:29
very like early Brooklyn's, like the very beginning of broken
34:33
almost close to my hat's lyric the first stop.
34:35
Oh yeah, like it's 40, 50 minute train ride.
34:41
Not too bad but I can try still. I have not wrap my head around
34:44
trains and public transportation because there, I lived.
34:47
There is none like I love it apart.
34:50
Are you getting nowhere? I love it.
34:52
I know the trains, like the back of my hand, I don't need the
34:54
maps at this point. It's super easy for me.
34:56
I've been doing this my entire life.
34:59
I'd be calling. You know, I've actually never
35:01
been to New York City. You haven't been to New York
35:04
City really, never I've never been to New York City.
35:07
I want to go so bad to house to Glory show.
35:12
That's definitely on my bucket list.
35:14
I would like to see a Gleason Show.
35:15
Like I like, I like one of them now that hearing about I would
35:18
like to go see the school and just kind of soak in where you
35:21
guys came from because like rolling with you guys, as long
35:23
as I have been and hearing the stories and Cat and cowboy
35:27
Billy. Walker's, I told him the other
35:29
day. I said, next time you go up man
35:30
like can I please ride up with you just to kind of soak in that
35:34
environment is like Hundred percent.
35:36
Like yeah. But I also want to experience
35:38
and I always forgot. I always fuck up the name of
35:40
this school but I met as helping train there now battle.
35:44
What's that Fallout Club? Big fan of what they're doing
35:48
there too. Yeah they're yeah, they're
35:51
killing over there, I'm a meds. Doing his thing, you could talk
35:56
to you and we'll talk more with admit this Thursday, on the
35:59
podcast on meds first, inner podcast interview.
36:04
I started my For my first day of training, was I meant birthday
36:09
funny enough, really my first day of training was almonds
36:13
birthday. So I always tell who is all part
36:15
of your like, how many, how much of the takeovers part of your
36:18
early days of training or how, where, where was everybody
36:20
liked? Whistlers was PJ and all those
36:22
guys still there. Where were you before them?
36:25
No, not they were all. We were all there around the
36:27
same time. So the person started first kind
36:30
of was face face started the young, but Face wasn't there as
36:36
often as we were back then, because he was younger, so he
36:42
started, but he wasn't really there.
36:45
That knows, PJ, PJ started. Par like seven, eight months,
36:49
maybe a year before us, I think. And abs was there before, all
36:54
his abs was there before, all of us, he told me that in his
36:57
effort episode is all the people I was there.
36:59
First ABS, was there before, all of us.
37:02
I love you have so much. Honcho bucks, inner mat Banks,
37:10
whatever you want to call them, just finished up rustling.
37:16
She's killing it right now, he's just killing running Russell.
37:18
The New Japan Dojo Showcase with the daring young Fred.
37:24
Hmm, roster grocer across that fried Rock sink, its roster
37:28
Rosser. Hell yeah, I could be wrong.
37:30
Don't call me. He was, he was a little bit
37:33
after PJ. Then Ahmed was a month before me
37:37
then myself and then bougie came like a month after course he was
37:42
the last one. Yeah, my booty came a month
37:45
after month or two after me. Yeah, yeah.
37:51
I think that was it. Yeah.
37:52
That should be the yeah, I think that's the, that's the, what is,
37:55
what is the environment or what was your experience of being
37:57
trained and Gleason's gym by the people who have been there and
38:01
were you ever a cowboy kid? I just learned about that last
38:03
podcast. So there was the this three
38:11
Gleason's does. The first one super old-school
38:14
Gleason's Cowboys? And then there's a second one
38:18
which, where I started. I was the one that we're cash
38:22
was in and then there's the third one, the one that
38:26
currently at don't all within the same area, but they're just
38:28
like, move to build things over time.
38:30
Yeah. Um, I was the last person of the
38:35
second one. I was like the last person to
38:37
come in of the second one, we literally had to move all the
38:40
beams and boards and all of that shit.
38:43
It's not a regular Rings like a custom ring or whatever I had to
38:47
move polishing, right? It's not necessarily boxing
38:50
ring. It's just like a custom ring.
38:52
I don't know. It's like it's just weird.
38:54
It's like at one point it was a boxing ring.
38:57
Yeah. Like apparently like, how about
38:59
the cowboy has original ring? Like the in that ring.
39:03
Apparently that Rings like dangerous severing scary.
39:06
Everything's treacherous. He wants, I just, I just feel
39:09
like they would purposely get the most uncomfortable ring to
39:12
bump on just mean. Like, I feel like it's that type
39:14
of school like he always says like, yeah, you know, come down,
39:18
he could train, you could trade, I still have the old, You Tasha,
39:21
how can we train? Stakes are very pleased.
39:29
Yeah, we did the move, whatever. But the reason I mentioned that
39:33
was, because the Gleason's I have started and Johnny's office
39:39
was a little further from the ring, so he couldn't really see
39:41
as as much, so he's to beat the shit out of me.
39:45
Prince, Ahmed, they used to beat that breaks.
39:48
I like very old school, like, all right, just gonna take, he's
39:51
going to say, he's gonna take all these clothes lines for
39:54
about an hour or just going to keep bumping about an hour or
39:58
so. Going to have to shoot kick out
40:00
of everyone's pins for like 30 minutes or just gonna like take
40:04
everyone's moves, which gonna get your ass kicked for the
40:07
next, two hours, three hours. And like I said, I was the last
40:10
person from that, Jim me and I met with the last two, but I was
40:14
the last one. So we really got it for a while.
40:18
Till the new person came out a new person being done.
40:20
And then we beat assess. Yeah.
40:23
I feel like, I don't know how how it still works today but
40:27
like I was listening to a few different Views and people's
40:29
experiences schools and sure. Wrestling school is never easy
40:32
there no matter where you go. But I feel like that type of
40:35
environment is very old-school and very, like, get get tough or
40:39
get out type. It is it like I can't speak
40:42
freely because I haven't been to another school so I don't know
40:45
that environment and I don't know if like if my stiff.
40:48
What I went through was normal, feels hard feels old-school.
40:53
I don't know. I just know how I was trained.
40:56
I loved it. I loved it.
40:57
Like taking the The clothesline for an hour getting my ass
41:01
handed to me. I like I felt like I was earning
41:04
something. I loved it person.
41:05
Everyone has a different experience.
41:07
I know some people don't like it that way and understand for
41:10
certain health reasons, you know, the protocols Etc.
41:13
You know, I get that but I personally loved it.
41:17
I loved that. Like, stretch, you old, very
41:19
cowboy, cowboy hat. His weekends, weekends were for
41:23
cowboy and cowboy would get in the ring.
41:28
Everyone is beyond the apron and have to tag cabin.
41:31
Would stay in the cabin, would stay in the ring for literally,
41:34
three, four hours like non stop moving.
41:37
No water. He would just stay in the Ring.
41:39
Finish her. Somebody.
41:40
Alright, tag out, you come in and he was just Like as hard as
41:47
he can, you know, take his hand and you grab your, your rib.
41:51
And they were just like, squeeze it and move it, and make you
41:54
feel things. You didn't know we're there.
41:56
Like he was a cowboy popcorn. Has that Hawthorne has that
42:01
glow? He got from Cowboy.
42:02
Yeah, yeah. Cowboy hats Cowboy.
42:05
That's Cowboy special. He'll drop his knee like right
42:08
here and you stir them and grab them by the back, your head.
42:10
Kind of like bring you in. Yeah, man.
42:14
He he's a piece of shit out of us.
42:16
How long did he ever seen what the London were?
42:23
Well, first time I ever seen a guy who wore a mask at Sanctuary
42:25
work, I was very insanely impressed of how good and well
42:32
he moves and he is not afraid to take a bump do no good bum from
42:35
member from the apron to the floor.
42:39
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
42:44
Non padded side crazy and the hilt.
42:48
But he will just go Lori for hours upon hours, like insane.
42:55
But like he didn't all of his heart.
42:57
Like, You hear him speak as Cowboys, Billy Walker.
43:02
He is very scary, very mean, very but like, you know, you
43:06
break that wall down. He is like, he's literally the
43:08
sweet as fucking when you want. When you earn his respect?
43:11
Yes, it's not respect. He's literally the sweetest
43:15
fucking human being. He's amazing person.
43:19
I never took a bump, and I'll never take a bump, and I'll
43:21
never run rope, so I'll never do any of that.
43:23
But I always said I was joking around.
43:24
I said, I wanted, I want to be a cowboy.
43:27
I want to be part of the Cowboys.
43:28
Prove it just a commentator. I want to be a cowboy
43:30
commentator, he's great. Yeah, I yeah, it's one of those
43:36
things man. I really my first season the
43:39
sanctuary was was, was you guys and the Takeover?
43:43
And I attach myself very much so to that stable, and to the, the
43:47
Billy Walker Walker Clan and it made me learn how to call
43:52
character work. And alert made me, learn how to
43:54
call he'll work and stuff like that.
43:56
And, and I tribute On of every tribe you all the what I do for
44:01
the most part to the sanctuary at that season, just had so many
44:04
reps. We were there almost every
44:06
weekend and if we went there on a Saturday, we weren't on a
44:08
Sunday where they're in a Friday.
44:09
I got I got more reps in a year and half a year at Sanctuary
44:13
than most people do their entire career at commentary and and you
44:18
guys were a huge part of that and the even like the sanctuary
44:20
verse Walker, Clan stable will always be very fond moment for
44:26
me as a commentator because I swear I got a lot of it from Um,
44:28
and then and then I learned more of the professional wrestling
44:31
side of things from, like the PWS and the outbreak wrestling
44:34
is. But but that that year in
44:36
sanctuary man was special, and I always will thank all of you for
44:40
that because if I didn't have the talent in the ring, that
44:42
helped me learn. And like, I wasn't getting
44:45
notes, I wasn't getting. It was just me and Pete, just
44:47
figuring shit out, and it was just, it was awesome.
44:50
It was awesome experience. Now you were talking earlier
44:53
about, we are getting close to the 45-minute Mark.
44:55
I don't want to keep you too long and we all want to get some
44:57
questions for people. You were talking a little bit
44:59
about something when it comes to mental health issues and
45:03
stepping away for a while, what are what are some things that
45:08
are our problems for? You are some things that you
45:11
struggle with our mental blocks that maybe, stunt you from
45:15
performing are finding yourself, are making you have to step away
45:19
because I honestly, I wish I had the curd, I stepped away for a
45:22
week upon casting because everything I'm going through
45:25
right now and the entire time, I step away and I always talk
45:28
shit. Like, I'm going to quit.
45:29
I'm fucking sick of this. It ain't worth it.
45:31
I'm losing. I'm literally losing everything
45:33
outside of this and it's so fucking hard and I just, I just
45:38
can't stop, you know, I mean it's tough.
45:42
So like break down a little bit like they're going to having to
45:50
like one of my things it's I'm my worst enemy you know?
45:57
Like I have confidence when I speak, when I'm talking in a
46:02
promo, I believe every word I say, when the cameras off,
46:07
there's no current in there like My confidence is really, you
46:12
know, and it's just like it's not a won't always be a
46:17
situation. It won't always be.
46:18
Something's happening, it's just like how my mindset is.
46:23
Sometimes my mindset is literally just like, hey, you're
46:27
fucking depressed. No, that's it.
46:29
And then you just, you just soaking in it and it's not a
46:32
specific person or individual or situation or it's just How it
46:39
is. It's just sometimes there
46:41
doesn't need to be any of those things.
46:43
It's just sometimes, it's just attacked and, like, depression,
46:47
anxiety, mental health, it's all like real.
46:49
It's a real thing. It's not something you should
46:51
ever be shown. It's a real fucking topics real
46:55
situation because, you know, while you see them one day, like
46:59
watching them, you have, so they're fine.
47:01
It only takes an hour for someone to just, like, go in the
47:04
deep end. That's it, like it or less, you
47:06
know, or make a Life-changing decision.
47:10
Yes, a life-changing says yes. Like it only takes such amount
47:14
of time and like, I've thankful enough to I like I have support
47:18
systems with like my, my Signet, my significant other have my
47:23
kids, and I have AB, certain people around me.
47:25
I'm thankful enough for that, and I know, but I know not
47:27
everyone has that, you know? And like it's yeah it's one of
47:34
those things was just like it's tough to like really deep dive
47:37
heavily into it because His experience is different, I could
47:40
only speak on my experience and my experience.
47:42
It's Like when I did the promo, which was filmed and, and
47:48
directed produced by the amazing Kevin Woods, whose fantastic me
47:53
saying, I can't trust the can trust, like, people are such a
47:55
great promo. I was just venting.
47:58
I was just I was just speaking. I was just letting shit out
48:01
because like that's really how I feel sometimes.
48:04
And like I said, it's not a specific person or people it's
48:07
just My mental health, my mental being and and you know we spoke
48:14
about this before we went live and we brought it we spoke about
48:19
life a little bit and you know I acted like this is the
48:24
situation. This the topic we could speak on
48:26
before because it's very important to speak on especially
48:30
in wrestling. I feel like we just kind of like
48:33
there's a lot of wrestlers that feel this.
48:36
That just like internalize it and don't speak about it because
48:41
we feel like we shouldn't like wrestling is so pushed back on
48:46
like a lot of things like we can open up about this week, can't
48:49
talk about with it so it's okay. It doesn't make us any less of a
48:53
man doesn't make us any less of a worker of a wrestler.
48:56
Doesn't make us any less of a person to feel like this.
48:59
I'd rather someone spent the body and talk about it, then
49:02
make a decision that changes things.
49:06
I'm saying there are people that care, you know, and like and
49:10
what was listening? I hate New York.
49:12
So fucking loud. Well fucking necessary.
49:17
Anyway, exhausting the car? Yeah.
49:19
Yeah. I bet you that dude's dick is
49:21
huge, but they have some pussy for the rest of us.
49:27
Mad guy. It's whoever's listening.
49:30
Like, if you ever want you ever like going through anything,
49:33
like my dams, always open. I got I give my phone number, if
49:37
you ever need it. Like, I'm very open about give
49:38
him my phone number to. Whoever needs it.
49:40
Like honestly, I honest to God, from the bottom of my heart.
49:43
I truly fucking mean that like, I never knew somebody Go through
49:46
something like death, without any help, it's hard, man.
49:50
Because like, in this industry to it's, it's, it's a situation
49:56
where I didn't happen to me, where I opened up to somebody
50:00
who I thought was a friend, and somebody who I was really cool
50:02
with and I explained to them some of my struggles and mental
50:06
blocks and where I stand with some of the things I go through.
50:10
And, and it was used against me, it was, it was then like
50:14
weaponized against me and And sometimes to you, you try to
50:18
open up and try to go through that, or you tell certain
50:21
wrestling promotions are people who book or anything like that,
50:23
that you need a break and they write you off, and it's hard to.
50:27
It is hard sometimes to open up and put that out there because
50:31
it can be used against you in this industry because it is an
50:35
industry of to stuff, you know what I mean?
50:37
And it's it's not it's not fucking easy.
50:40
But yeah. Also two men.
50:42
Those what he were he was saying but his dmsr open, man.
50:46
My Discord Community. I, so, essentially where I'm at
50:49
right now, my support system was one person and that's not a
50:53
thing anymore. You know, huge reason why I'm in
50:56
a new location, but my Discord Community man has been fucking
51:00
amazing. So if anyone uses Discord do
51:03
the, a BJ podcast, Discord is more than just a place where we
51:07
talked wrestling and movies and stuff.
51:08
Like, there's people in that voice chat all day long, and
51:12
they are the coolest people ever and you can talk to them, you
51:14
can go in there, open up its you can you can You can be in voice
51:17
chat, all of it are Discord is open to anybody and that's not
51:21
just a plug for you to come hang out and be in there.
51:23
It's they have saved my life many of times.
51:28
Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah.
51:31
But no it's struggling. And the craziest thing too is
51:34
when you have those moments of people that when you go to a
51:38
show and you break that barrier between fan and friend, you know
51:43
what I mean? Like we're some was on the other
51:44
side of the guardrail and they just connect with you.
51:46
And then they become more than just a person who supports you
51:49
at his wrestling show. They become family.
51:51
They become like, you get to his like that's where like, places
51:54
like I wa + r/n wrestling. Really shines through is when
51:58
it's almost like a family reunions when you go to a show
52:00
it's like oh shit, there's my people.
52:01
You know what I mean? Like like so a lot of the places
52:05
I've gone through. I feel that's like, when I feel
52:06
this Titan, I feel this, I wa I feel this heavily Invictus as
52:10
well, but especially at the last iwa show that PJ masks.
52:13
I got like, I wrote clothes for like a lot of The fans there.
52:17
I'm like, yeah, it's called them fans.
52:19
I feel like fans, like people down on the term fan.
52:22
Now it's so stupid. Yeah, I its supporters.
52:26
Yes, I supporters. Yeah.
52:27
Like, I've got really close to a lot of people there.
52:30
Like Richard, who was, sponsoring me, surprisingly team
52:33
Supreme and expect that for the next out of your show, June
52:36
24th, no commentary. Always needs to some sponsors to
52:40
just put it out there. A mini golf place sponsored me
52:56
and Pete like a dinosaur mini golf place in New Jersey, bro.
53:00
Every match were like, you know, would be great right now.
53:02
Peace, let's go get some ice cream at the mini golf if you
53:06
want, if you want, if you want, shouted out for every match,
53:10
that that's what you sponsor. That's what's up, that's right
53:14
there. You know what ruins my My mental
53:17
health fucking run rustling pages and wrestling Facebook.
53:21
And Twitter is when people say they can't stand.
53:23
When commentary tries to be funny, are they tried to get
53:27
themselves over? You know, my answer to that is
53:30
there's two answers. If commentary is fucking off
53:33
during your match. It's probably because your
53:37
majesty sucking and we need something to entertain
53:40
ourselves. I've never once fucked off
53:42
during a match that was good. Just saying, Truth Hurts
53:48
commentary when you go to listen to your footage and they're
53:51
being funny. Also, where did you ever tell
53:55
Jr? And the king and Tony Shivani
53:57
and all these other people that they shouldn't get themselves
53:59
over or make themselves a brand on commentary.
54:02
Yeah you can stop your gr now on commentary like the dark away
54:11
from my family and my friends and my I deserve just as much.
54:18
Yes. Then as you do in the ring and
54:20
sure it is a one-two punch where we should be putting you over
54:23
and vice versa, but don't tell commentary that they shouldn't
54:26
get themselves over and they should just be a normal voice in
54:28
the crowd. That's what he's doing.
54:30
If you, if you, if you notice like every single time I'm out
54:32
there, I always go. And like even Babyface our he
54:35
like still go talks like last one can match.
54:38
I was talking shit with you. I was like saying Blackwell is a
54:42
crazy stamps on let's go. They said the greatest showman
54:45
and I said Use me. It is the greatest damn that
54:47
show Answer. Yeah, but that's what I heard.
54:50
I charge. You say, excuse me, the greatest
54:51
dancer on excited again. Yeah.
54:53
Like mid-match. Like literally in the middle of
54:56
like I just died I just gonna swans on to the outside and like
54:59
I, that's all I heard and I personally, I feed off that if
55:03
someone yell something from could the ring to kind of like
55:06
what baby and put Michael Cole had that banter during the
55:08
pandemic. I fucking, I thrive off that
55:11
like and it happen, dude, the Ricky stuff, man.
55:14
People fucking her. Like, how do we can we do?
55:16
Something like that. Another promotion.
55:17
It's like that's fun. Like, I'm never gonna get in the
55:19
ring. There's no payoff of you beating
55:21
me up but like wolf, we'll have fun with it.
55:23
Yeah. But it's just, yeah, I just
55:26
can't stand when they say like you're a commentary person just
55:29
fall in line and be generic and stupid and just say what?
55:32
Just don't just just be play-by-play or like, fuck you
55:36
don't fuck me then. Don't put me.
55:37
How many people in roughly? They're gonna have their
55:39
opinions on. What's right, what is it?
55:41
That's the thing about wrestling.
55:43
There's nothing that's right because there Is certainly a
55:50
monsoon? All they did was make fun of
55:52
people. The Great Moments I don't know
56:00
affiliate. So that's my soapbox sponsor the
56:04
commentators. But yeah.
56:06
But like but people like like like a team Supreme and like,
56:09
Cassidy Kelly Justin, I like those other guys.
56:13
Those are people that like, you know, become like family in a
56:17
way, you know, like really like what from just like a supporter
56:20
that became listen your MTV and others are VH1.
56:26
I'm using that for Ever the MTV of commentary.
56:29
I love that. Oh yeah, we don't play music
56:32
anymore. Here.
56:33
It just jokes look like music anymore.
56:36
That's it. We're Paul's Drag Race.
56:38
That's the number one reality show right now, you're winning.
56:41
Yeah, yeah. The the MTV is just
56:44
Ridiculousness over and over and over and over again.
56:48
I'm saying they got RuPaul's Drag Race.
56:50
They have that now that yeah they just got that's number one
56:53
reality show in the world. So let's put some people over
56:56
real quick. Who are some names that you
56:59
have, worked that you would want to work again or who are some
57:02
names. You haven't worked that you
57:04
would really want to And who is someone you want to work that?
57:10
A BJ can pull some strings and get you back into that beautiful
57:12
Church. There's a lot of guys as like
57:20
there's I need this one dude, beat up.
57:23
If you want to come beat him up at the sanctuary.
57:25
I need that. Ricky price guide beat up plus I
57:28
think used to would have a really good match.
57:29
Listen I don't know. Ricky price on a personal level.
57:32
I don't think me and Ricky price had a real conversation.
57:34
We just follow each other respective, social media.
57:37
Yeah. But I'll take a match with Ricky
57:41
prize. I don't mind a matching Ricky
57:42
price. I'm trying to get all my all my
57:45
favorite people back in the sanctuary.
57:46
So that's just my hand. And if you said a person that I
57:54
like to work again, that I worked for it like fucking love,
57:57
Andre Polina, I love it. He's like I'm rushing right now.
58:02
Rest of months and he's he's killing it right now, like like
58:06
seeing like him, like startup venture out a little more to
58:08
take do more things. You know, like where it shows
58:11
Talent he is really, is incredibly talented.
58:14
I would love to work him. There's so many people.
58:20
So many fucking people that, like, I can blank on for hours
58:23
and then get upset at myself later for not remembering this
58:25
person or that person. But there's so many people like
58:29
I want to wrestle an thinking gone.
58:32
Like he's just killing it right now, you know, he's Italian
58:36
Champion, I'm Italian, I'm not happy with picture but you know,
58:40
I'd like to wear. So Anthony King Kong just say
58:41
Russell him. Fuck, you know, give me PJ again
58:46
because I want his bow. I'll be cool.
58:50
Hey bujji, but I think Me Boutique do something really
58:53
special Faces facing School faces.
58:59
You know, honestly, though how stylistically has that has that
59:04
been something anyone's ever seen you at you and face in a
59:07
one-on-one matchup? We Face.
59:09
Russell wants 11 and ew, Massachusetts and was because
59:13
our opponents didn't show up. So is there was just like, okay,
59:17
Russell each other is your first.
59:18
Let's write how I ended up in the park, I called that match.
59:24
Well, okay, well that's another one.
59:26
That's when you're talking about a lacy de Lacey day, you guys
59:30
running other one. That was a triple threat, the
59:32
dog shit out of each other. To, I literally asked the
59:35
question, then it popped in my head, like, I seen that match.
59:37
I guess I called it. Yeah, I was 16 miles away from
59:41
the ring but I called it. Yeah.
59:43
Any time when the ring we literally beat the brakes off.
59:46
Each other. There are so many other guys on
59:48
the Marin also its high-end. Like there's so many guys, I'm
59:52
trying I got The snippet of working with those seatbelt,
59:56
like just a snippet. Most itõs like insanely
59:59
ridiculously talented. Yes I want to work against him,
1:00:04
Club him at the club dancing. I was there.
1:00:06
Yeah, I yeah. I he's just if I had a car after
1:00:11
one commentary there, I just want to party there.
1:00:13
I just wait. It's, I don't wanna get in
1:00:16
trouble. So I'm not going to say what
1:00:17
it's a good. It's a nice place, hello?
1:00:19
It's just say, it's a nice place and was going to leave that
1:00:21
there. Drink smoke, tasty well sir.
1:00:24
Say they're doing so let's say that like what food is delicious
1:00:28
osito Nikolai white Gabe's guy like killing Murphy like they're
1:00:34
people on this scene that I like are really like just I do want
1:00:38
to work I'm blanking on names right now you know I think would
1:00:41
be a good match and both. Use our tag team people that I
1:00:44
think, singles wise are very, very talented and it's probably
1:00:47
a match. High-tension wrestling.
1:00:49
Oh jock over some Ed be dope. But this is one that's way out
1:00:52
of the box. You versus Boomer Hatfield
1:00:56
glimmer, Hatfield. Former of Chikara him, he's part
1:01:00
of the outfielders with him and Molly are him and Shea.
1:01:03
Sorry, Shane McCoy. Yeah, you think you and Boomer
1:01:06
would be really really good match.
1:01:09
I'm down for anything. Listen I want to wrestle at this
1:01:12
honestly. I want to wrestle everyone.
1:01:13
I want to put on the greatest damn shows every single person
1:01:16
you will. Let's put throw smash master
1:01:19
show in their possible. Universes.
1:01:21
MIT you versus Jason Furious. Listen.
1:01:27
Uncle masty like, you know who I am.
1:01:30
Like, I don't even know their respects.
1:01:32
They're like, it's just one of those things.
1:01:35
Like way, Taco versus Ryan Mooney.
1:01:38
That's a good fucking matchup right there to amass.
1:01:41
That was supposed to happen. That didn't get to me versus
1:01:45
Rocket, which is a did really want.
1:01:49
I mean, Rocky comes in the sanctuary.
1:01:50
Now I'm just saying stuff happens but I'm back to the
1:01:53
church that would have been amazing, you know?
1:01:57
I like Invictus has this thing right now where they're like,
1:02:00
they want to put me against like, people from my past type
1:02:04
things like these like Gleason's great thing, right?
1:02:06
You guys for a minute, there's a lot of money in that story.
1:02:09
Yeah. So listen, Invictus, you know, I
1:02:13
know you got some guys lined up. I'm here, I'm gonna be there,
1:02:17
sometime. Wow, September, I'm off it right
1:02:20
now, it's got to be that June 25th, you know?
1:02:23
I'm gonna be there. So, you know, if you want to
1:02:25
bring somebody from my past, Whoever it may be let it happen.
1:02:30
Let it happen. Keep bringing on pretty, bring
1:02:32
on all the major my past. I gotta roll a deck, I'm names,
1:02:36
I can help you out this point. Yeah, where can people find you?
1:02:40
Where do you have to think what are some stuff you have coming
1:02:42
up? Where can people support you?
1:02:44
Um, so right now we have Known tight.
1:02:49
I'm gonna be a tie in June 17th Jaco for Stan, you Alexander,
1:02:53
which we're gonna fucking kill it, because it's check on Daniel
1:02:55
Alexander. So that's gonna be fucking hell
1:02:58
of a show itself. I love him so much.
1:03:03
I love me rocket. Dale, example, want to six men.
1:03:06
Italian, we want to six men and they both they both Dance.
1:03:10
I'm the greatest, a showman, I don't dance.
1:03:11
I also Danielle's Xander's made us the sanctuary debut so that's
1:03:15
like being on the place for. I'm just saying, that's it.
1:03:18
Dance. But after the match, they will
1:03:20
start dancing. I'm just looking at them,
1:03:21
they're like, yeah, I was like, no.
1:03:24
No, I'm roll out. I'm good.
1:03:26
I'm a, I'll skip skip around like that's why I listen to
1:03:32
music. You don't have to dance.
1:03:34
You just jump in the air. Independent.
1:03:48
That someone I really want to work is well, Osprey.
1:03:50
I'm gonna keep saying every podcast I've ever gone because I
1:03:53
just want to manifest that. I want to fuck her with well.
1:03:55
Osprey. Fuck.
1:03:56
That was a billion other names. I ran through Jordan Oliver,
1:03:59
Nick, Wayne, who's fucking gzw, guys, Marcus Mathers.
1:04:02
But the very top of the list is fucking will Osprey.
1:04:05
I want to mark his family fun, I want to rest.
1:04:07
Well, I'm going to see Marcus Mother's restaurant and no ring
1:04:11
Sports fight bar fight, show at Tony defens Brewery next
1:04:15
Thursday. Nice, nice.
1:04:18
But now there's going to be there.
1:04:19
Some really fun. Yeah.
1:04:20
So, June 17 theft, I end. There's a wind show June 16th,
1:04:25
you know, I haven't heard much from win.
1:04:28
So who's to say, I don't show up at when you just, you know, see
1:04:33
what the hell goes on. You know, might just show up and
1:04:36
win just to show up and went, we'll see.
1:04:38
Well, let's keep our eyes open for when people, we don't know.
1:04:41
I'd be around, maybe, I don't know.
1:04:43
We'll see after that. We have.
1:04:46
I wa we have intense Heat 24th 24th, the greatest damn shelter
1:04:51
is open challenge. Sponsored by team Supreme.
1:04:55
Yeah, I have that. And then, like I said, Invictus
1:04:58
as like this, like this idea of jackal jackal go through his
1:05:01
Rolodex of people. So I'm gonna go through their
1:05:04
role, the deck of people from my past.
1:05:06
Whoever you have this time, bring him on down, Sol Invictus
1:05:10
as well. What if you want to kill a
1:05:11
walker? Had the curtain?
1:05:17
You're like to have my top, I tap on yeah that's gonna be a
1:05:21
long. It's gonna be a long day that
1:05:23
people don't know if people are gonna be underestimated, it's
1:05:25
gonna be a long day. Why don't I do wh lungs anymore?
1:05:29
Never Say, Never it is a lot to be consistently doing that every
1:05:33
Monday. Every Tuesday, every Thursday,
1:05:35
every Friday, it's a lot and it just I want to make other
1:05:39
content than just, watch WB, but there may be some nights where
1:05:42
I'd pop in and do a watch line. So, also we made They do watch
1:05:46
alongs in the Discord and when are we seeing a BJ vs?
1:05:49
Ricky Price ever, I don't wrestle I don't wrestle.
1:05:53
We saw that match will never happen.
1:05:56
We've discussed this jacko's going to take a BJ's spot, it's
1:06:00
going to be Jacko. I bring people into the
1:06:02
sanctuary so they can get great footage and and experience the
1:06:06
church and then also get to Russell Ricky price, it's a
1:06:09
win-win for everybody, it is jackal vs, Ricky price, Whenever
1:06:12
Wherever that's what it is. Next first Friday.
1:06:17
I didn't say nothing. Try, first chuckle, thank you so
1:06:24
much, brother. I thank you for doing this.
1:06:26
I love you to death man. Once again if you ever need it
1:06:30
my doors, always open. If you need to talk seriously,
1:06:34
man that you're cruel. People are definitely people.
1:06:39
I respect in this industry and I went when I show up at shows and
1:06:42
you guys when we showed up at, when I showed up a win, I felt
1:06:44
because all you guys As were there, I felt at home, you know?
1:06:47
I mean like, it doesn't matter the locker room, when I see you
1:06:49
guys there, it makes me feel welcomed.
1:06:50
It maybe makes me feel like I'm part of the team already.
1:06:53
And you guys have always. I mean, I mean, I wa and pizza
1:06:57
night, wa because of the work we did with you guys and you guys
1:07:00
put our name in to other places. So like I appreciate a lot of
1:07:03
the stuff you guys done for me because there's a huge reason
1:07:05
why I'm in the Jersey scene is because of the work you and then
1:07:07
and you guys putting on my name over and giving me opportunity.
1:07:10
So the love is always there man and I appreciate you to death
1:07:14
everybody. Please check.
1:07:15
The links below. Follow jock, on all social
1:07:17
media. Go grab some merchandise, a pro
1:07:19
wrestling T's. He's got that beautiful shirt on
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right now and there will be more, I promise.
1:07:23
I know I'm slacking but I have ideas in my mind and they're
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going to be really fucking sick. Yeah.
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So so make sure you go support independent wrestling.
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There are some names on the list as well.
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Have been of people who were injured that need all the help
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they can get. So go support them as well.
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We will see you guys on Thursday with the next interview.
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Number 67 with Prince Ahmed, he's only doing two podcasts.
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Just so this is one of them so very excited to sit down with
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him and talk. He is he is such an innovator
1:07:51
when it comes to move some the fly and just what he does in the
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ring is absolutely special and it's like the, it's like the
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cowboy Billy Walker, Gleason's reunions this month.
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I do have to sit down with Billy.
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We talked that is coming back 100% but yeah, thank you guys so
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much. That's going to do it for the a
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BJ podcast will see you Thursday, at 7:00.
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We're out of here. Join the Discord go by, and he's
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t-shirt and join the patreon. Love you guys to death and leave
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5 Star reviews on audio platforms.
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Bye-bye.