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Disney World Has Changed: Is the Magic Gone? · The Worst: Beyond the Magic

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: People say all the time Disney just isn't what it used to be.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: And they're right, but neither are we.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're old, we're fat, and we like to complain a lot.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to agree with you there, but you might have some validity to that.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, I have one question for you that I'm saving until the end of this episode.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: I've been thinking about it all day, and I'm genuinely not sure how we're going to answer it.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Before deciding whether it's gone, we need to define the thing, right?
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, Jamie, when you say Disney magic, what are we actually talking about?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think that's a great question, and I think it encompasses all kinds of things.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: So think back to a time when we didn't know everything we know about today.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you and I do this on a professional basis.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're Disney planners, right?
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: We plan these magical moments for people all the time, right?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: We know the ins and outs of the parks, what works, what doesn't, how to get the most out of what you paid for.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like a it's like almost like a game to us, right?
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: How do we put these pieces together that we get the most, how do we to win this game?
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So think back to when you didn't have to play that game.
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  SPEAKER_01: Think back when you showed up and you experienced Main Street through the eyes of either your child, like I do now with our our small children, or think back when you experienced it for your first time and you just went from ride to ride and you get you met that character for the very first time, or you had some sort of magical moment with a cast member.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the Disney magic and experience that we continue to chase.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we like to help people get out of when we plan their vacations, and that was that's what keeps us going back year after year, is is that feeling, is that euphoria that we get.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me a little bit more about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: For the people that aren't listening, the new folks that are like, hey, I want to try out this Disney, but I don't understand what this Disney magic is.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have a time to reference.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: So are we talking the escaping reality?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are we talking the smell of the lobbies, walking under the train, the first view of the castle?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, give me a little some of that.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well it's it's not it's not the pirate water.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that's not the smell that you that you want to smell.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe maybe the smell of the Grand Floridian now, that's something that's gonna stick with you, and I think that's that's the smells like money smell.
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  SPEAKER_01: Spoiler alert.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: It smells like m smells like money.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like cash, money, dollar bills.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think I think it's the experience that you get from the cast members.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's it's the immersion into a particular land where whether it's fantasy land or you're over in my favorite park in Hollywood Studios and you're experiencing Batuu because you're a huge Star Wars nerd like I am, or maybe it's that first view of the castle when you walk right through underneath the train station, right to downtown Main Street USA.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's that's the experience that you're looking for.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: And for a lot of people, yeah, there's all kinds of Disney adults out there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um for people that don't have children, that that might be lost to them a tiny bit.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: But for those of us that do have children, especially young ones, you're looking at their face.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think of my my youngest daughter who's five, and I'm I I see it in her eyes, and I see it on her face when she experiences that magic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's that's I think that's what again, that's what we're trying to chase.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what we're trying to go go go after is is that feeling that you see on their face.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: If if they if they have that feeling, you are gonna have that feeling too.
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  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a good answer.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: That it definitely touches on some of the Disney mag magic.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're gonna dig more into it, really define it here.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but tell me one Disney moment where you remember thinking, this is why I love this place.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think in in recent years, I can't think of like a place at Disney World or land per se, but I go all the way across the pond to Disneyland Paris, which you are gonna go to relatively soon, right?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: Very soon.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_01: We were we're you'll you'll have we'll come back and we'll do a recap episode, uh a trip report.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Pete's gonna tell us all about uh Disneyland Paris, uh the the do's and don'ts, and how much he loved it and how he wants to be French now.
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  SPEAKER_01: We pay for it, so you don't have to.
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  SPEAKER_01: We wee wee.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we were walking uh through Avengers Campus in Disneyland Paris, and I think my daughter at the time, she was two, so this is like a number of years ago now, and we were just had her by the hand.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: One of us was on either side of her walking through experiencing uh Avengers Campus, and you could hear the the theme song to the Avengers, the Azure it just it just hits you when you walk into that land.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh again, she's she is not paying attention to that kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's looking around us.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of a sudden, I have this presence behind me, and I, you know, that feeling you get when someone's standing behind you, yeah.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know the feeling.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like your your spidey sense comes on, you have to reference marvel for a second.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: And here comes here comes Ant-Man behind me, and he hops in front of me, kind of, I don't want to say he pushes me out of the way, but he kind of gets in between myself and my daughter, and he starts to jump like like puddle jump with my daughter, because that's what she was doing at the time.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: She was two years old, she was like jumping like a frog, right?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: So he gets alongside of her and starts to do the same thing she's doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that that to me is is the dis and I'm getting goosebumps talking about it because I'm thinking about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That to me is that Disney magic.
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  SPEAKER_01: That you you just in something as silly as that, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Something, and you don't have to go all the way to Disneyland Paris to experience that.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna get that anywhere at any of the Disney parks or any of the Disney resorts, regardless of where you're staying.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: But that was just something that stuck with me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like this, he went out of his way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I went out of his way to make my two-year-old feel special to have just a moment with her in all in the middle of Avengers campus with uh with the dramatic theme song or uh theme in in the background uh playing.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: That was their moment that that they had together.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it's something I'll just I'll never forget.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's it just I think I think I captured it on video too.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: But that that was a reason why it made me love this place even more, even though it was across the pond in Disneyland Paris.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's still Disney.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's still it still carries that Disney magic no matter where you are.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's a prime magic.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, that one that one's great, Jamie.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's a really good story.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love that uh that interaction and that you know, she's living her best life, and then you know, one of the cast members comes up and enjoys that best life with her.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh real down-to-earth.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's 100% accurate on the Disney Magic.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think for me, I'm gonna give you my one of my earliest ones.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: One of the first trips we made, um, Mio was, you know, she's 18 now, and she was four at the time.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: She's got her little Cinderella dress on that we bought some off-market place, so it's fraying everywhere.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, she looked like Cinderella before the ball at that point.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so we, the first time I think, and we've never been big firework people since this point, but the first time I've got her carrying her up on my arm because I don't want to put her on my head, you know, I don't want to block the fireworks or everybody else.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's all the families out there.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I've got her here, you know, and I'm and she's she's got her little cheek pressed up against mine, and I I didn't do that.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: I she just leaned in and pressed her little cheek up.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: She's got her little wand in the other hand, waving it around and just looking up the fireworks and the stuff that are going off over the castle.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: The castle's all lit up.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's throngs of people, it's just a mess.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody smells bad at the end of the night, and it's just chaos.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: We're all tired.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're really you're really selling it now, Pete.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're really selling it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know, man, it's the worst.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, that one moment with your your little girl and she's squished up against your face, and she's just completely wrapped by the fireworks and the castle and the moment.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean, Disney has all its grandeur, but it for me, that Disney magic and that specific point was that was when I was like, I love this place.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: I I bet that's I bet you're getting goosebumps talking about it too.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: It is, it is.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: I have I actually um I have a picture of that very moment, and I love it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's one of my favorites.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was so little.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, this is the part where um we get into it, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what actually got worse?
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  SPEAKER_00: What are we talking about?
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  SPEAKER_00: What what did we lose on this Disney magic thing?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what legitimately got worse, would you say?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: Is it prices, crowds, upcharges, planning, lightning lanes, the loss of spontaneity?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: We've got construction, we've got some of our favorite attractions going away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, what what do you think?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are the big things that stick out to you for lost magic?
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think it comes with being an adult.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you're a kid, you you don't, you don't, I mean, adult adulthood sucks, folks.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: Don't grow up, never grow up, just like Peter Pan said.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I think it comes with because you, like anything else in the world, when you put a price to something, you want the most out of that.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: And as an adult, I think it's just a natural thing to go, okay, I paid this amount of money, so I expect this type of experience because of the amount of money I paid.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't help but think about that, especially with Disney, because it's it's a lot of money, right?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's if most people don't have five grand in a savings account or uh ten grand is whatever, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Stashed away where they can just throw it at the problem, the problem being Disney and all the playing that comes with it, and say, here, make it work, make it magical for us, right?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: So there's there's a lot that goes into that.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's what that's what's gotten worse.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you hit the nail on the head when you were talking about you said loss of spontaneity.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you I know you've mentioned in the past you said you like to be kind of spontaneous and kind of go with the flow a little bit.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you yourself you got to experience that a tiny bit when you went to Epcat this past past time you went out because you had the the lightning lane which allowed you just to walk on anytime you wanted, right?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: So that yeah, the premier pass.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: The premier pass, right.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that that allowed you to gain back down spot and that you would normally have lost because you had to plan your lightning lanes otherwise, right?
• 9:59
  unknown: Right.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: The upcharge, the crowds now.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the secrets out, okay?
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: The secret's out.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_01: There are no secrets anymore, there are no hidden tricks.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: The internet exists and people ruin it for everyone else because they give away all of what Pete and I know as this is the best time to go, or this is the best place to see the fireworks from, right?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: So again, they're the secrets out.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: So you're you're you're essentially fighting everyone else for the same experience that you want to have, but there's a thousand or more other people there trying to do the same thing you're trying to do.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some attractions have gone away.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, some attractions have gotten a lot better.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh my favorite ride, uh Gardens of the Galaxy, never used to be there, so now it is.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so I I think it replaced Ellen.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember Ellen?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that ride, Apcot?
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even know there was an Ellen ride.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, yeah, she had her own ride.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was a it was great for a nap again.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was one of those ones that counted as a knack.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think Ani and I, when we both went on that, we both fell asleep on that ride.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's that's what gardens used to be was the Ellen uh where she talked about energy and the energy usage of today, whatever it was.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, anyway.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking we're talking old Epcot, where it's the where they were trying to teach you things in every corner.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm showing yeah, I'm showing my age here.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: But all of those I I don't know if if it's to answer your question, because I ramble.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: To answer your question, I don't know if if it's gotten worse as much as it is that you and I pay attention to it now.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let me throw in some of the the big ones just to get them out there.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we lost the fast pass, the ability to say, oh, okay, let me for free, let me go up to this kiosk and get this next uh ride and and hop on this one and then you know go to the next one.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: So now we're paying for it, now we're planning for it.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: We lost the buses that brought us from the airport at MCO over to the to the to the park or the um the hotel.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I almost feel like, you know, I told you a story about how the cast members uh saw my daughter writing Letter Santa and they mailed some stuff to our house.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I feel like the internet has given everybody an expectation of the magic that they're so demanding of it that the Disney's kind of shut it down in a certain sense, because you know, if you give it to one person, you gotta give it to everybody.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: So that I I that's where I'm thinking some of the magic has been lost.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: I I I want to go back to what you're saying about price.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Is there something you remember on some trip that you were actually like looked at the price and said, oh heck no?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's the premiere pass for me, but I I haven't experienced it yet with it just being my wife and I.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you went with just your wife and I.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a whole lot different, right?
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: I would I would absolutely jump for the premiere pass if it was just the two of us.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if I'm trying to take a family of five, or like like when I go in November with their friends, that's that's a group of 11 people.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not paying for Premier Pass for 11 people.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's a hefty chuck of change, right?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do my best and take my knowledge to the streets with my lightning lanes and optimize them that way.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: But the Premier Pass is a little too expensive for my taste uh with 11 people.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Two people, okay, we can talk.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Still expensive, but I think it's it's it's definitely more so worth it rather than trying to a family of five or a group of nine or eleven people.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: I tell you that skill set you have is great.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: However, you're still gonna do the a lot of walking.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, you're still putting in your 20,000 30,000 steps because when you do the lightning lanes, you could who's to say your next lightning lane isn't the next one just 30 feet away from you, it may be across the park.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: So something you have to think about, right?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to scare everybody away.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to scare everybody away.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I remember 1980 something or 1990 something, you know, when when we were first going there as as as little ones, you know, give me one thing that you can think of, and you touched on one of them already, so you can't reuse it with Guardians.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: But give me something that keeps this or that makes this era better than that childhood era that we went to.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think, and everyone likes to pick on Disney Tech, but I think I think the optimization of the Disney app, if you know how to use it, being in the know.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I you you may lose a tiny bit of magic because of that.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: But if you are like Pete and I and you like to plan, Disney is certainly somewhere where planners go to play and they succeed because of everything that's available to you, whether it's an app or online or where, or maybe it's Pete and RI.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that part has gotten better.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: So being aware of the different attractions, the times of the you know, you know what time the three o'clock parade is, like you know that ahead of time, right?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Just having uh the ability to have the option to plan your day, not saying you have to plan every moment of every day.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we don't want you to do that, but to know when uh things are going to happen so you can put yourself in a position where you you're gonna optimize your you're and have your best day because you you have an idea of what's going on.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think that's that's the part of Disney Tech that's gotten better.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: As far as the the the glitchy app goes, that part hasn't really gotten a whole lot better in the last couple of years.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I think being in the know has gotten better.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll I'll give you I'll give you that.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll also give you my answer is uh is just scale.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like when we went or in the early days, you had six or seven things that you were definitely gonna do.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you knew exactly what you had to do, but now there's so much to do, so much to eat, so much to experience.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's shows, there's interactive rides, you can shoot at things on the rides, you like there's just the the experience is broader and more deep than it was back then, which I think, you know, I think we lose some of that.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: You might not call it magic, but it's definitely for me, I think it's more immersion.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's keep going.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Did we turn vacation into a military operation?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I love this.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and you, we've talked about this a couple times and talking about planning.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm gonna I'm gonna turn turn the tides on you, my friend.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: You are the military man, you're not me.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the paramilitary man.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: So this is you're gonna owe you to own this.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna you're gonna give me the Mickey knife hand, and you're gonna you're gonna own this segment.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right, did that right?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Not too bad.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Not too bad.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so for when when we first started going, and I I did, I took that military aspect with me, we were uh, you know, we stopped doing Disney Worlds and we started invading it, right?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: So we were rope drops and reservations and lightning lanes or fast passes back then.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, you're like mobile order, mobile order, move, move.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_00: We had to refresh those wait times YouTube strategies, and then we're in there, you know, firing at the uh firing at Woody's uh targets.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's not fun, it's a battle plan.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're in there and you're you're you know doing operations inside the park.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean that, you know, how much of that is Disney's fault and how much is it my fault for being Uber militant about it?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we are gonna get up and we're gonna catch this bus and we're gonna go do these things.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, nobody, the force march of happiness.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like nobody's forcing us.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're gonna have fun or like it.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, nobody's nobody's forcing us to optimize every minute.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I think as, you know, to get back to that travel agent hat on, you know, we're we're in there to help you make the best of your day, but not make the day, you know, every second of every minute you've got an activity and just absolutely exhausting yourself and your kids.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, could you go tomorrow and put your phone away, make almost no plans and still have an incredible day?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's a question.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you could.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: You wouldn't, you know, see, my military mind won't turn off.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you're not gonna get as much done, but you can still go and enjoy your family, and you could do it.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, that is a that is an aspect of it.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think, Jamie?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I have I have something to admit because I you you called me out on it a long time ago um when I was like, you know, I'm I'm in my client's app, I asked for their password so I can see how they're you know, set up their day and get their landing links for them and all that kind of stuff, right?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes it's where it's rare when I'm bored and by myself, but if I have a client that's in the park, I'll look at their I'll look at their app and talk to them and I'll see what's going on, or like where they are, what they're doing.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, and I'm in my head, I'm like, oh man, they could be doing this, they could be doing that.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I am like, whoa, hold on, time out.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: I have to stop myself and go, this is this, hey, listen, this is not your vacation.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's their vacation.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: They want a vacation how they want a vacation.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta stop it, dude.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like the they like that's the conversation I've argued with in myself, in my head, is is let them enjoy their time.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is not you.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: This is not you trying to optimize every every moment every day and get the most out of your park day.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's how we do business, right?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's how you and I are.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: But not everyone is like that.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think I think you can go, like you said, you can go to Disney, you can turn off your phone, you can make almost no plans other than having a dining reservation.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's like necessary.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: A sit-down dining reservation, anyway.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um ahead of time.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you did nothing else, I still think you would have a pretty incredible day.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, too soon?
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Too it's too soon.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Too soon.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Too soon.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Tom Soros Island, womp, womp, womp.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's gone.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Never went there.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, never did it, never gone.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Lobby building.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: I can't believe it.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: You're the worst.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: Never did it.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: I you I am the worst.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's why it's gone, because you didn't go.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Because I didn't I personally had never gone.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Tomorrow was like And your eleven kids.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: That yeah, it's my small, my small, myself and my small litter of children never went on the Liberty Bill, nor did we ever go to Tom Soros Island.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's the reason why they got rid of it.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, I took away your childhood.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Send fan mail, tell them why you the worst.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I've answered that question.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: I want to hear your answer now.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, same question to you.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Put your phone away.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Don't make any plans.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Are you having that incredible day or are you ruined because you know too much?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Me personally, I just don't want to weigh in the line.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm too old.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: I have too much PTSD.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I've got to do a little bit of planning just to get away from the lines.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: But a younger me, um, I think I probably could have done it.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, you're in the moment, you're hanging out, you're chatting with your friends, like I definitely could have done it.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's how we did it before.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: But now, current me, I'm gonna I'm gonna find the way to skip the line.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I don't like lines either.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not people are like, how do you go and you stay in line for two hours?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, huh?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who are we talking about?
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't, uh this guy, I don't stand in lines.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: There's no lines for me.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: I uh I plan on my day, I I know how to work the lining lanes, I can get what I want and have a great day.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and and there's there's minimal lineage for me.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Minimal.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that brings us to the next thing.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like when, you know, the the money, you know, because you know, we'll we'll pay to skip the line.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it is a money problem.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: So you you have to take that in consideration.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: The the the big question I have when it something costs this much, does it become harder to experience?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you were talking about this just a little bit ago.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Is it harder to experience the magic because you're measuring the value?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're looking at your kid thinking, you better be having a good time.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: You're not just riding the seven dwarfs anymore.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're thinking, I just spent 8,000 on this vacation.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: These little bastards better be magical and these kids better be enjoying it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're like, I just spent$22 a person to skip this line.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: You better enjoy it.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I is money a problem.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think, and you said it earlier when you what did they take away that you miss?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: We used to go to the park and didn't have what we pay for now used to be free, but it was in paper fast pass form, not on your phone.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: So technology has improved a little bit, but now because of that, we excuse me, we have to pay for it.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still willing to make that price or pay that price to have that experience.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Not everybody is.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's what you what you want to get into it.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you have little tiny kids uh and you think just showing up and and just getting to meet Mickey and Minnie and Donald and Daisy and go going on spending your day in fantasy land and experiencing all things in fantasy land, and that's your day, then that's going to be a great day.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's the that's the magic that we want you to experience.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: But the money aspect of that is do I want to pay for lightning lanes ahead of time?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Do I want to buy individual lightning lanes for things like like the ride that you just mentioned, or Tron or uh or Guardians or whatever, whatever the individual lightning lane is.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: I know the individual lightning's old terminology, but that's that's still what I call it because people understand it the best when I mention that.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not here to litigate every single price enhancement.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we all know that ticket prices go up every single year.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it's like it's like taxes, like it, it's just gonna happen.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so you you have to think about it.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: You have to start planning, planning for that budget.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Most people are like, Disney money, Disney money's free.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: There's no dish Disney money.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's no math when we go to Disney.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's lots of math when you go to Disney, especially when you when you put it all together.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: But I think there is, I think there's ways, I think there's ways around it.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's only 200 bucks to put down as a deposit, right?
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: For most vacations.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: 200 bucks.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: That could be a lot for some people, but that's that's the starting bid.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's the starting price.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're you don't have to pay your full price for your your trip until 30 days before your your vacation starts.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So there is time.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like you have to come up with$8,000 right now or$5,000, or however much your vacation is,$3,000, whatever it is, whatever you make it right now, you have time to pay that over a period of time.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I think, is it a problem?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's a money, money is a problem, but it's it's just one thing that's another planning aspect to it uh that we have to take into effect in order to get you what it is you're looking for.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let me give you this.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Let me give you, we'll we'll both answer these.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: You answer first, I'll answer second.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: All right, quick fire, we'll close out the money section of this.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think is worth every penny?
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think lightning aliens are worth every penny.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I would say for two people or less, that Premier Pass was definitely worth every penny.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not paying for.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not paying for that?
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: What are you absolutely not paying for?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I think I think I said it earlier when it with the the premiere pass, I'm not paying it for more than two people.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: I I can't that's that's a whole lot of cash.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't wanna I don't want to spend that bill.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to pay Mickey that kind of money.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so for me it's uh and this is gonna hurt because it would be a great honor for me to book your VIP tour.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: But me personally, I am not I'm not booking the VIP tour.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: I just feel like, and this is gonna hurt clients if they want to take it on, but I just feel like it's a lot of money for some waters and a guide to the rides.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, we'll dig into that in a in a different episode with the VIP tour.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: I know you're a big fan of it.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just not there.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to I'm going to make it my mission to try and get us on a VIP tour.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to change your mind.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to have some special guests here come on our show in the next couple episodes.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they just went on a VIP tour, and our job is to try and be convinced Pete Morrison that this is a good idea.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: You in for that?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: That'll be a great episode.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: I look forward to it.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: You you hear you heard her here first.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: I complain about it and buy it anyway.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's I think it's some of the food.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's some because you you see on it, you see on Instagram, oh, this is the best snack ever, or this is the best, and you're like, yeah, this sucks.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't good at all.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is this I don't know who said that the pretzel was good or uh that BR guest was any good, but they lied.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't it wasn't worth it wasn't worth it.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: So that turkey leg, it's not it, it's not good.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: It it'll fill you up and it'll feed the seagulls that are flying around.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, it's it's not the best.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I think I think that's that's one of the things.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: And people are like, oh, well, it's theme park food.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you're paying a lot of money for it, so you expect it to be decent quality food.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think you can get decent quality food there.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: You just gotta pick and choose where you want to go.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you go to little snack carts through or do go uh quick service dining throughout your tent, you may you may not be getting the best quality food for what you're paying for, but if you eat at one of the signature dining restaurants or you eat at a sit-down dining meal with characters, now that now we're talking.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: You may get a good quality steak out of Steakhouse 71, right?
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for me it's it's beacon barrel.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna complain about beacon barrel, but I'm gonna go every single time.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, why why are you gonna complain about it?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me why.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: I just uh I'm such a fan of Trader Sam's.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: They set that bar so high for me with the experience, the interaction, the amount of time that you can spend there, the bartenders, you don't have to stand.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Everywhere you look is is a good view.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: So Trader Sam's is number one, and beacon barrels like you know the the the booty prize.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: All right, what's what's your most ridiculous purchase?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I cut you off.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's okay.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say I was gonna make a pirate booty joke, but never mind.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: We're passing.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's all right.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Most ridiculous Disney purchase.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can't even think of one.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go first while you think I have to have the popcorn buckets.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I got a stormtrooper helmet when I'm not even a huge Star Wars fan.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: I've got all the Christmas ones.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to get you to get me the Halloween ones when you're there.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: Popcorn bucket.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not, I'm sorry.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not buying it's paying whatever for a popcorn.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse me, a popcorn bucket.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's yeah, that's silly.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: That is a ridiculous Disney purchase.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: I can't think of I don't know.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: You bought it all.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have not bought it all, first of all, sir.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: I have not bought it all.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not a popcorn bucket fan.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: I like merch.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: I like merch.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I like I tell you what I like.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: We like going to Disney Springs, and I haven't, you've seen you've been a mouse.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: You've seen I got I got a couple of the Disney home decor stuff, right?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever seen that?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: Disney Springs, right?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: I have that stuff.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm that guy who buys that Disney home decor stuff and puts it around their house.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: I also have a Disney Christmas tree.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: I have a regular Christmas tree and a Disney Christmas tree.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you even a Disney fan if you don't have a Disney Christmas tree?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I think I have a Disney tree.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think we're both I think we're both that way.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I buy ornaments for that Christmas tree and I have Disney home decor stuff there.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think I think that's that's a ridiculous Disney purchase.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: I like the magic so much that I want it to be at my house.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I believe that.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's let's turn the camera around here.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's a good segue for that.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: We've spent about a half an hour blaming Disney.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: So let's blame ourselves.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: Disney adults, influencers, phones, filming everywhere, merch obsession, outrage over changes, knowing what's behind every curtain, consuming Disney content before we've ever experiencing something ourselves, like our podcast, for instance, or you know, any of the reels that tell you the best places to go.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: So here it is.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Have we learned too much about Disney?
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Do we experience it innocently anymore?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: That is a loaded question.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: How dare you, sir?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: How dare you?
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: The answer is no.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And here, and here's why.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then this this is a callback to our j our just released episode, our last episode.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's forever changing.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's your imagination.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's Walt's imagination.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: And because of that, it's forever going to change and evolve into something else.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that we're going through all kinds of changes right now with Disney Parks.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: We talked all about it last episode.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for those who are listening.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think no matter how much you and I plan, there's always going to be that Disney magic moment that we couldn't even planned ourselves that just happens.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: And and we're not expecting it.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're not expecting it because we paid this amount of money to go there or experiences in that way.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: But it it's those magical moments by cast members, such as the experience with your daughter, or like when Aunt Man was with my daughter.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's the innocence that that you gain back by experiencing Disney through the eyes of your children and and yourselves, really.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: All the planning on the side, right?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: You you can't plan for that type of moment.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: And those things happen every moment of every day in that Disney bubble.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me, what's the most obnoxious Disney adult thing that you do?
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: A monorail bar call, duh.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, come on.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: That that's and you are the guilty party, by the way.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're you you are the guilty party because of that.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go, let's get on a myora and go here and do the okay.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and by the end of it, by the third stop in, I can't walk anymore.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you're you're still chugging along.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I gotta keep up with Pete.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: And uh don't keep up with Pete.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Poor dis poor decisions, my friend.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: Poor decisions.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Poor decisions.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: That is uh my answer as well.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely have to stop myself from trying to climb the pyramid shirtless.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to see that.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to see that.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: But you we the problem is if you were to do that, that would be our first and last time there.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: We'd never get to go back again.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: That would be it.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, lifetime ban.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you and goodbye.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: So let me ask you this.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: You've done a lot of the the questions this episode.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you this one.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: The nostalgia problem, right?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: So we've been going into Disney our entire lives.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so we we have a memory of what we have that memory of what we think it should be today, and we continue to chase that, except for now, we're we're old fat men, and we have children, and we're trying to get them to experience that nostalgia and that feeling, that magical moment through their eyes versus us anymore.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: Do you is there something is is there something that you desperately miss from from your long time ago from from the 90s Disney or from the early 2000s Disney that you can think of?
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a this is a great question, and it's not Disney's fault.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's definitely life's fault.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Like I remember those early days and just I went with the Boy Scouts and I went with family, and you get this autonomy to kind of just be free-spirited.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Your parents are paying for things, and you don't have to plan anything, and you can bounce in and out of places, you know, you can roam around looking for pins at Epcot, or, you know, like the just the it was a simpler kind of joy.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think a lot of my or a certain amount of my desire to go back to Disney is to kind of recapture kind of that playful, useful.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a care in the world, you know, but I've definitely added all of the cares in the world to my trip to try to prevent having a care in the world when I enter into the park.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that's great.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's perfect.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: You've that's that's perfectly put.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like that.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the Disney magic is uh is my own fault because I got old.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: How about you?
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Same, bro.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: Same.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: I got I I I I also I also got old.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: Do you do you actually miss that version of Disney, or do you miss the version of you when you were there?
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the point.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like I I remember the version of me almost better than I remember Disney.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: I remember Toad's Wild Ride because there was a cute girl sitting next to me.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: I remember the Hoop De Doo review because it was hilarious.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: But other than that, I remember hanging out with my friends and running all over the park.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't remember the rides.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember anything.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just remember how I felt.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that's all on me.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think, yeah, that's I think you you said that that's where the kids growing up relationships, family traditions, people, people we've lost, like being younger at different stages of life, can uh naturally affect how we felt back then versus versus now.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's we've talked about that most of this episode.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've I've said this various times as well, just to your point, Jamie, is that it's interesting the version of yourself that went then and the version of yourself that goes now.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then you add your kids, and every time I've gone to the park or every time I've gone back to Disney, I brought a dis different version of Mia with me.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it's given me a different experience as well.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's a really interesting aspect that you talk about.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's I think that's a great, a great example.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're ex she's experiencing different periods in her life, and you watch that as she's grown up and gotten older.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: Now you were smart and you had one child.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I had a small litter of children who are all spaced out.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I get I get to see them in their different stages of life.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: And now I have a 13-year-old, 11-year-old, and a five-year-old.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's a tiny, small, tiny gap there, you know.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: But who's counting?
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I like that one anyway.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: So because of that, I see now my son has starting to become a little bit older and he's too school or he's too cool for certain things, doesn't want to, doesn't want to go on Dumbo anymore.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like he wants, he's more like a roller coaster kind of guy.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: And my daughter is more concerned about how her outfit looks rather than getting in the picture with Daisy, Daisy or or Minnie Mouse.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so that yeah, my five-year-old is she's in it to win it, man.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like she she that's that's the version of me.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I still got one.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Still got one.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we had that gap.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's exactly what we totally totally planned.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the version of me that I I still still live for is that five-year-old version.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: We've been keeping score this whole episode.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: We blame Disney, we blame money, we blame the apps, we blame Disney adults, and now we've blamed ourselves, and we blame nostalgia.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm going to ask you what I told you I was saving, and you don't get to hedge, you gotta tell me, right?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the Disney amnesia test, okay?
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: So take this, for example.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Tomorrow morning, you wake up, and Disney means absolutely nothing to you.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: We're not in a podcast, we don't sell Disney trips, we haven't ever been, we've got no Disney childhood memories, we've got no first trips, we've never taken our beautiful little children and squeezed cheeks and seen the uh the cast members jump in.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's no old Epcot, there's no Morocco, there's no mobile ordering.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, there's this place in Florida, it's called Disney World.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: You experience Disney exactly as it is today.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_00: Today's parks, today's attractions, today's technology and their prices, the crowds, the food, the cast members, um, the resorts, everything.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Would you still fall in love with it?
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's an easy answer.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: The answer is is yes.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think you do I think you no matter because of w what I know now or because I'm pretending like I don't know anything and experience at parks as we see them today, no matter how many times you go, whether it's my first time or my brazilian time, but I've I've lost count now, if I were to go tomorrow, there would be something that would make me fall in love with it tomorrow, versus making me fall in love with it five years from now or three years from now or or ten years ago that made me fall in love with it.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's that's what that's what they're selling.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's a price that comes with that.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, there is.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: And there's that's no secret.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I think I think I would fall in love with it because you money aside, no matter if you spend a lot or little, you still have that moment.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: You still have that that that feeling that that wraps or that wraps you, that keeps you coming back, that experiences you, that euphoria of of Disney Magic that you want to experience over and over again, whether or not you know anything about it or not.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: So this this this episode, you know, like all of them, we want to get into some of the worst, you know, is the Disney Magic gone.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're here to tell you about uh all the pitfalls and keep everything manageable for you so you're not unrealistic expectations, showing you where the mouse droppings are.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_00: But for me, even knowing all of that or having a complete clean slate and not knowing anything Disney, I definitely feel like I would show up, you know, spend one day at Trader Sam's and fall right in love again.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, every person I've gone with, every version of my daughter, like it's all been a different experience.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: When you and I go, it's a blast.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: We have a different kind of experience.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little tipsy, it's a little rebellious.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: A little tipsy, right?
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's adult themed.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: When we go, when I go with Brianna, it's uh, you know, it's it's a little bit more romantic, it's a little fun, it's a little slower when I go as a whole family, like you know, everything.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: So even every experience now is almost like a new experience.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: I never seem to do the same thing every single time.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, even you look at when we go to Travel Mation's retreat and we learn all those great things and how to put people great travel, like every time you and I have gone, it's been a different experience.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: We find something new.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: We try to do some of the same things that we love, but every single time it's a new thing.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: So leads us last question, the verdict.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: After we've answered all these questions, I think we have to say, tell the viewers, do we think Disney has really lost the magic?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yes or no?
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't think it's lost the magic.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I think all the things that you just experienced or that you just that you just mentioned, I don't think it's lost the magic whatsoever.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, there's more to it now.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and we know too much.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: And we think if we don't pay this much or we don't experience this, then we're not getting as much magic out of it as we should.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that's not the case at all.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can still pay the least amount of money, or you could, you could pay, you know, the$450 and$900 an hour for a uh VIP tour and not have as good as a time because you have some expectation on how that should go, and it doesn't go that way.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's that's the key.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: As long as you're not trying to manufacture the magic and expect it, then you are gonna have that magical experience that you're looking for.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: For me, you just hit the nail on the head, and uh, I'm gonna echo that answer.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think there is Disney magic.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think that you can't expect Walt and the gang to give it to you.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think you have to go out there and cultivate it yourself.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's like happiness.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can't, you gotta find it yourself.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you get in there, you set yourself up for a good time, you let us plan your trip and uh shameless plug, and then you uh, you know, you just leave yourself open.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Understand that things are gonna get a little, a little hot, a little tiring, a little frustrating, but you know, keep yourself open for that Disney magic without begging for it or asking cast members for it, and it's definitely gonna show up there for you.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's exactly it.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the thing.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's yeah, it's gonna keep bringing you back to that that mate that walk on Main Street.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna be able to enjoy the smells better, you're gonna, you're gonna see the you know, you see what's really important.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's let's uh let's wrap this up with the listener challenge.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: That that means you people, you people listening and our two goldfish who are back.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like that we've revived the goldfish.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think our stellar uh eloquation and Disney magic has brought those goldfish back to life.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Man, you have you have big fancy words.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so here's the challenge.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Erase every Disney memory you have if or set your expectations low.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you walked into Disney World for the first time, would you fall in love with it?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: And then tell us why.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, that's our next uh you know, our next podcast material.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_00: If you reach out and tell us, you know, would you fall in love with Disney if it was your first trip?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: And if you've never gone, you know, the challenge is let us book your trip or go on your own and have zero expectations.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's it.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Don't have any expectations, and you'll expect to have a good time.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Boom.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 42:56
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• 43:03
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• 43:05
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• 43:08
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• 43:13
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• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: I am at five the number five underscore on the underscore fly, and Pete is Pedremax, P-E-T-R-I-E-M-A-X.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: Too easy.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so I don't we know we know Disney's changed.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: Manage expectations, evolve or die, and uh, you know that magic's still alive.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's undeniable.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: 1998 or right now?
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think 1998 was the classic cake castle, wasn't it?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think I th I think it was.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was the I think it was the cake castle that was around then.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'm not.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm wrong, email us.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I th I vaguely have that memory.
• 43:58
  unknown: Alright.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna avoid ninety eight then.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: I I think I think uh Disney of today.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think Disney of today wins.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: Jamie, you're the worst.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: Pete, my friend, you are absolutely the worst.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: This has been the worst of Beyond the Magic.