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Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 18) (7/14/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna get right back
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  to the Leslie Groff transcript from her meeting with Congress.
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  Mister Timmins is asking the questions question. Okay, so let's
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  talk about flights and hotels. No, let's go to hair appointments.
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  As part of your employment. Were you allowed to get
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  your hair done at a fancy day spot, miss Groff?
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  I did every so often, Timmins. Okay, is it fokai Groff? Yes, Timmins,
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  but only two of the seven? Were three of the
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  seven were allowed to get their hair appointments done without
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  his specific approval. There's an email I can get it
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  for you, Groff. Okay, Timmins. So why would do you
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  have it? Why would you control whether his assistance got
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  access to hair appointments? Groff? I didn't control one of
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  his assistants. Timmins. There's an email with you and redacted,
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  and you say in your email it says Jeffrey says
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  that me and two of the seven survivors are authorized
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  to make our own appointments. Is that not strange? Mister
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  Wickham jumps in, sir, she wasn't even able to answer
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  your last question, so you just have to let her
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  answer the question. Please, Emmer. At this time, I would
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  like to introduce what will be marked as majority Exhibit
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  number eight. Mister Whitcomb. She's happy to answer your questions.
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  You've got to let her finish respectively. Emmer will give
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  you a moment to review the document. Timmins, So the
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  king giveth and the King taketh away. So if you
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  don't do what he says, if you don't act right,
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  if you don't smile, if you don't cooperate with every
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  single one of his requests, then you lose things. You
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  could lose access to your computer or your phone, you
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  could lose access to getting your hair appointments. It's just
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  difficult that all of this was going on and that
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  you were in the middle of it and you didn't
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  see it. Backner see what the hair appointments. Timmins didn't
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  see the way that he was using all these different
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  levels of control to engage in sex trafficking. And the
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  seven survivors as they entered your office who were going
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  to be sexually assaulted Bocknerts, So I don't Timmins cuts
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  them off. You didn't know until he got arrested, Grof.
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  Everyone was very very happy. No one ever came to
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  me and showed me any duress said that they were unhappy.
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  From my perspective, it seemed like everyone was really happy
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  to be there. No one ever said anything to me
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  that they were unhappy or being abused. Question by Timmins.
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  Did you ever suspect that the seven survivors were engaging
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  in sexual activity with Jeffrey Epstein? Groff? No, Timmins, your
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  job requires you to be very perceptive. What percent of
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  these women entered your office, waited for however long, went
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  back for however long, and left looking different than when
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  they came in. Groff, I'm sorry about getting the haircut,
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  or Timmins, you would notice if I had wet if
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  I had wet hair, or if I had no hair,
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  because I have no hair. But if you came into
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  my office and went into somebody else's office and came
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  out a half hour later with wet hair, I would go,
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  what the hell do you happened? Graff? I didn't see
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  anybody with wet hair. This was a professional office, professional area.
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  I didn't see anything inappropriate. People went and got their
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  haircut and would come back. Timmins. The seven survivors will
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  testify eventually that about one third of the time they
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  would go back, the assault was so bad that they
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  would have to take a shower or clean off. So
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  the fact that you never saw any of them leave
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  with wet hair is somewhat surprising. Graf. I don't recall
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  seeing anyone with wet hair leaving the office his home. Timmins,
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  All right, let's talk about immigration. Are you aware that
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  mister Epstein used immigration as a tool of control for
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  the victims? Miss Groff? No, Timmins, did you ever engage
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  in any effort to facilitate citizenship applications for any of
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  the seven survivors? Miss Groff? The only thing that I
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  did was help with travel, and that was per directed.
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  And it seemed to me that anybody that was asked
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  that I was booking for travel for wanted this to happen.
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  There was no signs to me that they did not
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  want to be there. No one said anything to me,
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  mister Bauckner, and just for and just in all fairness,
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  we don't know the identity of these seven survivors. She
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  may be able to surmise, but we're kind of answering
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  questions without knowing the identity Timmins redacted or redacted or
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  redacted or redacted, redacted or redacted or redacted. I imagine you
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  know who they are, Miss Groff. I recognize those names, Timmins.
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  If we were to believe you that you had no
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  knowledge of any of this, let's turn to those people
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  that just had to have some Indke and Cohn were
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  central to the money and the legal hula hoops it
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  had to go through in order to pull this off.
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  Do you think it's possible that would it surprise you
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  to know that without their knowledge, Epstein and Endyke use
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  their social security numbers of the seven survivors to create businesses,
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  take out loans, and create lines of credit in an
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  effort to trap them in a maze of financial insolvency.
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  Miss Groff, I don't think that anybody did any thing
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  wrong without mister Epstein's directive. He was very, very controlling.
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  I don't know. I don't know about any of that question.
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  But if he directed you, he directed you to schedule
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  a massage with the twelve year old, you would say no, Graf,
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  I would say no, absolutely, one hundred percent question. Okay,
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  So if he directed in Dyke to pull a line
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  of credit and create a business without the knowledge of
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  one of his other alleged assistants, I mean, you have
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  fiduciary obligations to the person you're engaging with. So it
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  would actually be legal for someone to take out a
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  line of credit or create a business, or take out
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  a credit card in someone's name that is not the
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  individual or is that just a gray area? Backner? Are
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  you asking if she's aware if he was doing that, Timmins,
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  is that something that he should not do? Graff? I
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  think that, yeah, I don't think that. That's nothing that
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  I know about. I'm unaware of any lines of credit
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  or anything like that being taken out. You know, LLC's
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  whatever you said, Timmins. Can you appreciate all of the
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  different levels of control that he created to put these
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  women into this situation? Groff? I didn't I knew gets
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  cut off by Timmins. Do you understand now? Do you
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  understand now, Groff? In hindsight, I can step back and
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  I can see how that how that could have been
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  wanted it to be like that. At the time, I
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  thought it was things that these cut off by backner.
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  He's asking you, now, do you see how he could
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  have done that? Now, Groff, Yeah, I could see stepping
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  back and seeing how, like you said, monitoring them, but
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  not back then, not back then, Timmins. So I've talked
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  to three of the victims, and every time their name
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  is on an appointment with blank, they said about ninety
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  eight percent they were sexually assaulted and raped and they
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  felt trapped. And I guess you are to have us
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  believe that that was completely oblivious to you. I don't
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  have any more questions, thank you. Now, Miss Toland is
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  asking questions, and just to turn back to Exhibit eight
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  for a few more questions. This email is bait stamped
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  EFTA zero two two four eight four to three zero.
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  The bottom email appears to be an email written by you,
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  Ms Groff to Jeffrey Epstein. Did you schedule hair appointments
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  for women associated with mister Epstein at mister Fochaie Salon
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  Answer yes. Question why were you the one scheduling them?
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  Answer because I was mister Epstein's secretary and he would
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  direct me to make appointments. Question and what was the
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  arrangement between mister Fokai and mister Epstein for his hair appointments. Answer.
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  I believe that mister Epstein had an account there, so
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  whenever somebody went, the appointment would just be paid with
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  their credit card on the account, Miss Brignac. And who
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  are the women that were receiving haircuts? Miss Groff? Definitely
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  the traveling assistance, but he could send other friends, I
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  suppose at times. Question and in this email you state
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  I want to make sure it's okay with you for
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  the girls to make their own appointments at FACAI. Do
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  they have your permission? Why did they need mister Epstein's
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  permission to go? Answer? Because it was his money that
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  they were using and Frederick Focai hair appointments are expensive.
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  Question and why did mister Epstein We've heard from numerous
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  people that mister Epstein dictated the style, color, everything about
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  the haircut that they'd receive. Do you know why he
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  would do that? Answer? I did not know at the time.
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  Since we've been prepping for this testimony, I have learned
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  that was something that he did, but I didn't know
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  at the time. Question, And you're aware of any instances
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  or did you any women came to you with any
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  allegations about mister Fokai abusing a young woman or a girl.
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  Answer no, mister Emmer, We've had another staff member join.
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  Can he please identify himself for the record. Ryan Giecketty,
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  chief counsel for Chairman Comer nice Italian name. Question did
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  you ever schedule medical appointments for any women associated with
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  mister Epstein? Answer? Not that I can recall offhand. Question. Now,
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  I'm going to introduce majority exhibit number nine. This is
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  a chain of emails between you, you, Ms Groff and Jeffrey Epstein.
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  The email is dated April seventh, twenty fourteen, and is
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  bate stamped EFTA zero one nine two eight seven seven three,
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  Miss Toland, I'll give you a moment to review the email. Question.
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  So in the email, you're right at the top. One
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  of the doctors Eva gave us could give a partial
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  exam to redact to this Saturday, April twelfth. He said
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  he could probably be available from one to four pm.
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  And it continues on. Doctor Neil Voros says it's too
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  much to do in one day for an entire exam.
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  He's concerned that she speaks Polish as a first language.
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  How fluent is redacted? In English. I keep being asked this.
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  It continues on, but that is probably all we need
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  for the purpose of the question. Do you recall sending
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  this email? Answer? I do not recall that email. Question
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  do you know the type of exam you were booking
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  for what appears to be a Polish speaking woman? Answer?
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  I believe she's taking some sort of written exam. I
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  don't know to be a doctor or nurse. It's an
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  exam that this person wants to take. Question Doctor Neil
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  Voris is a registered clinical psychologist. Do you know if
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  this was for any kind of psychological evaluation? Answer? Oh,
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  I don't know. Question was mister Epstein paying for this
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  test or appointment? Answer? I don't recall the email, so
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  it's hard for me to say. Mister Epstein did pay
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  for a lot of people to, you know, go to school.
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  Question and do you know if this appointment was for
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  the purpose of placing this woman on any kind of medication? Answer?
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  I have no idea. Question And with scheduling medical appointments
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  or anything of this kind common practice in your role
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  as mister Epstein's secretary, Answer common practice? No question do
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  you now frequently you might have scheduled appointments like this
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  for other women. Answer, I don't recall ever, I don't
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  ever recall making this appointment. I don't know, Brignac. You
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  just testified that he paid for things frequently, like school.
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  So is this a unique circumstance, Groff, A unique circumstance. Yeah,
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  I don't recall this. She wants to go take an exam.
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  I didn't know what kind of exam. But he paid
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  for people to go to school, Brignac. But you never
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  questioned why you'd be paying for this person's medical appointment, Groff,
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  I didn't know it was a medical appointment. Tolan. Neil
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  Voris is a registered psychologist who we understand him to be,
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  so it appears that she's taking some kind of psychological
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  evaluation or something of the sort. Graf. I don't know.
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  I didn't know. I don't know what kind of doctor,
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  doctor Neil Voris is. It was someone that Eva Jeffrey's friend,
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  mister Epstein's friend, Brignac ms. Groff. Can you explain what
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  you meant? But he does not do this kind of
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  testing in his clinic, Graf, I don't know. I don't know.
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  I don't remember this, so I'm sorry. I wish I
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  could tell you more, but really, I don't know what
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  this is? Was she taking an exam backner? If your
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  answer is you don't know, then that's your answer, Groff,
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  I don't know. I don't know what this is. Question
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  and this Eva? Are you referring to Eva Dubin? Answer yes,
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  question and do you know her involvement? Did she ever
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  conduct medical evaluations or did she organize medical appointments for
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  women associated with Epstein? Answer not that I recall question.
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  I think that's all the questions we have on this exhibit,
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  just generally. Did you schedule any other kind of appointment
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  for young women or girls associated with mister Epstein? Answer no?
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  All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here,
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  and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're
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  going to pick up where we left off. All the
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