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Credlin | 22 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris, Hello, welcome to the program. As you
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Speaker 2: can see, I'm hosting live this week from London when
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Speaker 2: not only as a country in the grip of a
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Speaker 2: heat wave, but the temperatures up politically too. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Kiirstarm are widely expected to resign this morning. This
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Speaker 2: is English time. It's nine am now in Downing Street,
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Speaker 2: following the result of Thursday's by election, and they're not
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Speaker 2: saying much, but we anticipate it will happen very shortly.
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Speaker 3: At home.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it's a sitting week in Canberra and we've
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Speaker 2: got our government walking back a raft of contentious budget
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Speaker 2: tax changes, so no shortage of headlines, lots of news
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Speaker 2: to discuss. I've got Steve Price with me as well
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Speaker 2: tonight too, so you won't miss a thing. Let's get
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Speaker 2: into it. Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline, Kirs
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Speaker 2: Starmer's leadership on the brink. I'll be joined by a
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Speaker 2: UK labor insideer for his taking food speculation there will
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Speaker 2: be an early British election. We also got out on
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Speaker 2: the streets too, as the Nigel Farage machine looks like
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Speaker 2: it'll take out a prime minister. Questions raised today about
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Speaker 2: whether any labor MPs have changed their investments before the
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers announced those negative gearing reforms. The latest
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Speaker 2: in the fire sale of Fire Rescue Victoria assets across
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Speaker 2: the state. Why is the government trying to sell off
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Speaker 2: public land to the highest bidder? Where's the money going?
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Speaker 2: Steve Price with the latest and the property market plunges
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Speaker 2: with a dire weekend for clearance rates. And this is
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Speaker 2: all before Labour's tax changes have even been legislated, So
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Speaker 2: just how bad would it get? All right, let's go
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Speaker 2: down to Camber for tonight's political headlines with our reporter
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Speaker 2: Rubn Spargo.
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Speaker 4: Good evening. Labor frontbenches are defending the government's proposed changes
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Speaker 4: to negative gearing and capital gains tax as auction clearance
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Speaker 4: rates slide. Preliminary figures show they dropped to forty seven
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Speaker 4: percent last week across the capital cities.
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Speaker 3: Low clearance rates means the market is broken.
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Speaker 5: Everybody wants house prices to be lower until they've bought
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Speaker 5: their first home, then they want them to go up.
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Speaker 4: It's the first time clearance rates have fallen below fifty
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Speaker 4: percent since the early months of COVID. The Coalition was
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Speaker 4: again targeting the proposed capital gains tax changes during question time.
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Speaker 6: Can the Prime Minister name a single country that will
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Speaker 6: have a higher tax rate on real capital gains than Australia.
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Speaker 5: He'd probably said that he would restore faith in the
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Speaker 5: coalition's been Domini steaching every day.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi is promising to keep consulting on the budget.
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Speaker 4: The government is signaling it could support an extended inquiry
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Speaker 4: into the NDIS in exchange for the Greens backing its
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Speaker 4: tax reforms. The coalition dealt itself out of talks.
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Speaker 6: This budget has been a flop and the flop should
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Speaker 6: be dropped.
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Speaker 4: Labor is aiming to pass the first tranch of the
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Speaker 4: legislation within the next fortnight.
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Speaker 2: Busy day and Canberra, as I said, the first sitting
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Speaker 2: day and a lot of grilling for the government there
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Speaker 2: over the tax reforms. Of course that backflip. Joining me
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Speaker 2: now my colleague and co host for Credlain this week,
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Speaker 2: Steve Price, Well it's the double act again, Pricing. I'm
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Speaker 2: in London, you're in Australia, but no shortage of news
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Speaker 2: in either country. And I tell you what a lot
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Speaker 2: of it today was housing, wasn't it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was all about housing in question time, Peter.
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Speaker 5: Great to see you there in London. You're timing as usual, impeccable.
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Speaker 5: You're be able to do the show. Then wander down
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Speaker 5: to number ten and wave goodbye to Keir Starmer perhaps
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Speaker 5: this morning, perhaps tomorrow, but you're there on splock as usual. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: it was all housing here and I think the questions
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Speaker 5: in question Time today sort of knocked the Prime Minister
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Speaker 5: around a bit. I mean, who goes who runs a
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Speaker 5: government in this country? You and I've been around a
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Speaker 5: fair while. Who runs a government in this country where
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Speaker 5: they bring in policies where everyone paying off a mortgage
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Speaker 5: or everyone who owns a house suddenly wakes up a
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Speaker 5: couple of weeks after a budget and their house is
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Speaker 5: worth less than what it was when the budget was formed.
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Speaker 5: It makes no political sense, does it.
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Speaker 2: Now. This is where I said that they would come
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Speaker 2: a cropper because you can focus on the negative gearing,
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Speaker 2: and of course the changes have impacted negative gearing, but
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Speaker 2: when you start playing around with the market, there'll always
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Speaker 2: be unintended consequences. And now the hit is on everybody
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Speaker 2: who owns their home, So you don't need to be
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Speaker 2: wanting to sell your home now. You just want the
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Speaker 2: value to hold it. I know you hope it will
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Speaker 2: go up over time. You certainly don't want to go backwards.
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Speaker 2: And there are a lot of people who enter the
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Speaker 2: market on cheap rates coming out of that COVID era,
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Speaker 2: and now, of course young people on this five percent deposit,
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Speaker 2: although I'll end up owning a home where the value
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Speaker 2: of the home is less than what they owe. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Well, look the Prime Minister keeps making a point in
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Speaker 5: going out and visiting young couples who bought their houses
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Speaker 5: under his ubute scheme where you only have to put
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Speaker 5: in a five percent deposit. He was in Canberra at
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Speaker 5: one point today and I think the Treasurer Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 5: has been to another suburb. Someone's been out to Caroline
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Speaker 5: Springs in Western Melbourne and you know, all these young
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Speaker 5: people are saying, it's great you managed to help us
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Speaker 5: get into a house, but they could very well within
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Speaker 5: six months wake up to the fact that what they
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Speaker 5: paid for it. They're in negative equity territory, as you said,
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Speaker 5: and that's not going to make anyone happy. And for
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Speaker 5: all of our listeners and viewers who are in Victoria.
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Speaker 5: You've got on top of that, you know, the crippling
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Speaker 5: land tax situation where people are just seeing the value
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Speaker 5: of real estate go out the back door big time.
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Speaker 2: Okay, well, property is a national sport in Australia, as
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Speaker 2: you know, Stephen. And how does the government defend this.
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Speaker 2: You've got the Prime Minister loaded down by his lie.
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Speaker 2: If that's not bad enough, if at a household level
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Speaker 2: you're doing it tough and now your home, your home's
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Speaker 2: going to be worth less. How do they defend this
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Speaker 2: going into an election?
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Speaker 5: Well, I can't defend it. I mean, how can you
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Speaker 5: go to an election saying, well, where the government that
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Speaker 5: managed to make your biggest investment in your whole life
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Speaker 5: worth less money? I mean that's probably I mean politically,
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Speaker 5: that's a political suicide, noticed, isn't it. I mean, as
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Speaker 5: long as the opposition and Angus Taylor can prosecute the
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Speaker 5: argument that the reason your house has gone backwards in
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Speaker 5: value not because of a war in Iran or Iraq
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Speaker 5: or anywhere like that in the Middle East, It's gone
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Speaker 5: backwards because your government decided to fiddle with negative gearing.
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Speaker 5: We've seen this story before Paul Keating did it and
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Speaker 5: exactly the same thing happened, didn't it it?
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Speaker 2: Did it? He had to backflip it now. I also
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Speaker 2: want to go to the point today a really good
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Speaker 2: question from Dally in the House, because when you start
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Speaker 2: to lie, as the Prime Minister has, you erode trust
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Speaker 2: and then everything else that sits behind decisions the government
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Speaker 2: take are questioned by viewers. I know a lot of
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Speaker 2: people watching this program of contact in me and I
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Speaker 2: read the comments under your columns under my columns. Steve
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Speaker 2: direly nailed it with this question. She wanted to know
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Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister did any labor MP's profit from
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Speaker 2: some sort of inside knowledge that these investment tax changes
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Speaker 2: property tax changes were coming? Haven't listen?
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Speaker 7: The capital gains tax and negative giving changes announced in
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Speaker 7: the May budget were significant and market sensitive measures so
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Speaker 7: significant your government has will already walk past of them
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Speaker 7: back in recent days. Can the Prime Minister give the
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Speaker 7: House a strong assurance that no government MP or their
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Speaker 7: close relations use prior knowledge of those changes for private
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Speaker 7: financial benefit before they're made public.
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Speaker 8: So men for foul.
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Speaker 5: If she's got a suggestion or an allegation about anyone
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Speaker 5: in the chamber.
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Speaker 6: She should actually say it what it is and preferably
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Speaker 6: say it outside.
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just that. I don't think he gave
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Speaker 2: a confident answer, Steve, But it was the way he
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Speaker 2: dismissed diary that was interesting, wasn't it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, like he said, this is not a council meeting.
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Speaker 5: I mean she's got a background in local government obviously,
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Speaker 5: and the Prime Minister was just very glass jewelry dismissive
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Speaker 5: of what Dialee was asking. She asked a perfectly valid question.
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Speaker 5: The budget came out on at at seven thirty pm
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Speaker 5: austral An Eastern Standard time. On the night of the budget,
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Speaker 5: the negative gearing laws changed. And so if you were
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Speaker 5: then after seven point thirty going to buy a property
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Speaker 5: and you wanted to negatively gear it as you and
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Speaker 5: I know, Peter, they've now limited that to brand new builds,
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Speaker 5: so you can't buy an existing house. But if people
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Speaker 5: had known that that was going to happen, if you'd
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Speaker 5: done a property per of an existing property before seven
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Speaker 5: point thirty that night, you don't have to negatively gear
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Speaker 5: it straight away. As long as you've signed the contract
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Speaker 5: and you owned it before that time, you can negatively
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Speaker 5: gear that in the future where other people will not
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Speaker 5: be able to. Why won't he answer Dialey's question. I mean,
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Speaker 5: you and I are not suggesting that there's a bunch
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Speaker 5: of Labor in ps have've rushed out and done that.
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Speaker 5: But it's a valid question.
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Speaker 6: I think.
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Speaker 2: It's certainly one of the voters are asking it. It's
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Speaker 2: one that's been raised with me many times. Let's go
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Speaker 2: to the opposition, the official opposition. Now we've got two really,
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Speaker 2: one Nation and the Coalition, but the official Opposition Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 2: I thought he was incredibly strong at the back end
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Speaker 2: of last week going after the government when they announced
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Speaker 2: the backflip on some of those CGT measures, and he's
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Speaker 2: looking now at the fear. I think we all have
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Speaker 2: that there could be a deal done between Labor and
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Speaker 2: the Greens to get the worst of these taxes through
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Speaker 2: the parliament. But have a listen to its line.
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Speaker 6: It has been a flop and the flop should be dropped.
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Speaker 6: We should drop the flops and I'm going to be
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Speaker 6: fighting every day from now to the next election to
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Speaker 6: drop every single one of those flops, to drop these
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Speaker 6: flops right and to act this tax.
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Speaker 2: Well, Steve, how do you rate that.
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Speaker 5: I rate your line fire the liar a lot better
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Speaker 5: than that. I got to say, I'm not sure we're
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Speaker 5: going to hear the flop line too much. I mean,
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Speaker 5: it's not bad, but it goes nowhere near what you
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Speaker 5: dished up free of charge to one Nation at the
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Speaker 5: beginning of last week, which they then turned into a
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Speaker 5: what is it now, nearly a five million dollar fundraiser.
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Speaker 5: So it's not bad line from Angus Taylor. I agree
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Speaker 5: with you. He did pretty well at the end of
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Speaker 5: last week. But now I wouldn't run with.
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Speaker 2: The flop all right. I want to even though I'm
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Speaker 2: away and I made a commitment to Doug bad that
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Speaker 2: I would mention this that the foundation was launched. This
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Speaker 2: is the foundation, of course, in the memory of Corporal
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Speaker 2: Cameron Baird, a war hero who was killed in twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 2: Of course he was a Victoria Cross posthumous Victoria Cross recipient.
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Speaker 2: It was my view, as Steve who got them moving
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Speaker 2: on this, that we pushed the government very hard. Thank
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Speaker 2: you to Tony Abott of course, who wrote to the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister and they had that backflip on taking away
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Speaker 2: the funding that was available to Doug and Decay who
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Speaker 2: had been getting out and about supporting veterans in the community.
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Speaker 2: So they are now announcing this charity. It was done
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Speaker 2: today in Canberra on the thirteenth anniversary, of course, of
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Speaker 2: their son's tragic death. Have a listen.
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Speaker 9: We want to make sure that everybody understands the love
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Speaker 9: and the respect that he had three fellow soldiers, and.
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Speaker 10: I pick that.
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Speaker 9: I think that shine through not just in the per
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Speaker 9: he was, but the soldier he become.
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Speaker 2: This is why Steve. So many Australians came out and
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Speaker 2: supported the cause to get the government to reverse this
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Speaker 2: ridiculous decision, all to save about three thousand dollars a year.
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Speaker 2: Thankfully we've got the right outcome. But it's really heartening
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Speaker 2: now to see that charity launched today in camera.
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Speaker 5: You can understand why Doug Bed is emotional there and
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Speaker 5: you had him on the program and interviewed him when
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Speaker 5: this dumb decision was made in the budget. And I
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Speaker 5: was just blown away by the number of Australians who
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Speaker 5: came out and then offered Doug Bed and his wife
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Speaker 5: a huge, huge amounts of money. That means that they
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Speaker 5: can keep doing their charitable work right through into the future.
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Speaker 5: It's a credit to you, it's a credit to everyone
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Speaker 5: who got involved. Thank you very much. All right, Peter
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Speaker 5: will come back to you straight after the break. You
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Speaker 5: look after yourself there in London. But now to this
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Speaker 5: story raising serious questions with the Victorian government and fire
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Speaker 5: risk Victoria and our portfolio of former fire stations. So
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Speaker 5: understand this. So it's former fire stations on public land
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Speaker 5: are now being sold off, properties that once served communities
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Speaker 5: and in some cases could have had future emergency service uses.
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Speaker 5: You could have renovated these places. It continues to grow
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Speaker 5: the number they're flogging off though. Now this is a
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Speaker 5: story that first emerged earlier this year. But Victorian Liberal
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Speaker 5: Upper House MP Nick McGowan has been investigating what he
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Speaker 5: describes as a broader sell off of public assets. He's
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Speaker 5: produced and I recommend you watching a short documentary looking
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Speaker 5: at the bigger questions around Victoria's fire service capability.
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Speaker 10: Take a look much of this land in the nine
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Speaker 10: separate sites right across so from Geelong to Croydon, Vermont, Sunshine,
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Speaker 10: you name it, like almost every suburb is impacted in
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Speaker 10: some way, shape or form from these sell off of land,
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Speaker 10: the privatization of land. Much of the land is actually
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Speaker 10: zoned residential. So in the middle of the housing crisis,
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Speaker 10: rather than government using this land to support Victorians when
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Speaker 10: we need it most, we're hocking it off.
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Speaker 5: You've got to wonder what they're up to. The government's
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Speaker 5: position is that these sites are no longer required and
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Speaker 5: the proceeds will be reinvested back into fire rescue Victoria.
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Speaker 5: Where have we heard that before? But that comes as
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Speaker 5: the firefighters themselves are rose concerns about their trucks, their equipment.
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Speaker 5: We've talked about it on this show. And Victorians continue
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Speaker 5: to contribute through that emergency services levy. So the question becomes,
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Speaker 5: are these the right assets to be selling at the
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Speaker 5: right time and are Victorians actually getting value for money.
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Speaker 5: Nick McGowan joins me now in the studio, what are
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Speaker 5: they up to?
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Speaker 10: Well, it beggars belief. Really, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 10: this is not just land, it's surplus. It's actually land
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Speaker 10: that was earmarked for future stations and they've been bungled.
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Speaker 10: So years after they've purchased the land, the government now
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Speaker 10: decided it's in the wrong location, say in Armstrong Creek
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Speaker 10: for example. But it's not the only example. Lara the
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Speaker 10: same thing's happened Donnybrook, same thing there Clyde North. So
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Speaker 10: everywhere where these new stations were promised, guess what they
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Speaker 10: ever built the stations. In some cases now they're flogging
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Speaker 10: off the property.
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Speaker 5: So do you suspect that someone in Treasury, who's been
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Speaker 5: asked to find savings for a brokebusted government that's got
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Speaker 5: more debt than any other strait in the country, has
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Speaker 5: gone and said, well, let's try and find some real
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Speaker 5: estate that we own that we would have perhaps built
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Speaker 5: fire stations on because they are in the right spot.
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Speaker 5: Why don't we flog that?
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Speaker 10: I think it's partly that, but I think it's partly
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Speaker 10: old fashioned incompetence. This government have lost control. They don't
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Speaker 10: know what their portfolios are doing, they don't know have
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Speaker 10: the department's doing much less the bureaucrats. So when you
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Speaker 10: have nine properties across Victoria that are being sold off
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Speaker 10: at once and there's no vision to the future. So
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Speaker 10: there's some stations we found this investigation where actual fact
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Speaker 10: you could future proofs those stations to become largest a
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Speaker 10: Vermont or Clayton.
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Speaker 5: So those buildings exist, those.
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Speaker 10: Buildings exist, and the properties launching them now the fire
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Speaker 10: stations are operating, yes, and they literally abut those fire stations,
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Speaker 10: so if you had to expand in the future, but
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Speaker 10: rather than doing that, they're literally selling the future from
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Speaker 10: underneath Every Victorian as we sit.
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Speaker 5: Here, going to try and make the argument along with
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Speaker 5: their federal counterparts. So this is part of the housing campaign,
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Speaker 5: housing policy to build more housing.
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Speaker 10: Look, I only wish that was their argument, because if
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Speaker 10: that was the case, many of these nine properties are
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Speaker 10: actually zoned residential and they're actually at major transport infrastructure axis,
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Speaker 10: so next to big train stations, next to primary schools
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Speaker 10: in fact, and do you know what, not one of
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Speaker 10: them is being used for public housing in what this
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Speaker 10: government say is housing crisis. It's an absolute scandal.
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Speaker 5: Well, not far from where I am in Windsor, they
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Speaker 5: knocked down a ten story high public housing tower block
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Speaker 5: and then build a new one next door to it.
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Speaker 10: And meanwhile, yesterday was today. I was in Ballarat and
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Speaker 10: you know the firefighters in they had a fire in
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Speaker 10: a house in Saturday on Saturday and two trucks had
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Speaker 10: to go to fire. One truck was able to leave
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Speaker 10: the station. The other truck couldn't leave because it couldn't
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Speaker 10: even start. This is what our firefighters are dealing with
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Speaker 10: in Victoria every single day.
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Speaker 5: Given your inquiries an investigation, how bad is the equipment
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Speaker 5: the fire equipment because we hear it from the union,
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Speaker 5: but the unions had a checkered and controversial existence. Are
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Speaker 5: they telling us the right story that the equipments sold?
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Speaker 10: It's worse than we're hearing. We know that sixty five
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Speaker 10: percent of entire fleet of trucks, that is more than
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Speaker 10: two hundred trucks are past their service date. The service
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Speaker 10: date is established by Fire Rescue Victoria themselves because I
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Speaker 10: know once it passes fifteen years, it gets so unreliable
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Speaker 10: you cannot depend upon it for the safety of firefighters,
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Speaker 10: much less the public.
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Speaker 5: Just briefly, Bendigo, Bendy, go East Europe. There, Bendigo. They've
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Speaker 5: got a fire station in town.
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Speaker 8: And the new one.
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Speaker 5: Peter found that it was empty and did that story
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Speaker 5: on it is the one in town going to be
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Speaker 5: sold off?
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Speaker 10: The one in town is supposed to be renovated. But
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Speaker 10: I was there yesterday, as I said, and guess what,
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Speaker 10: they're now doing a fix it job to the brand
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Speaker 10: new station that costs two point four million dollars and
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Speaker 10: they sat idle, as Peter pointed out, for four years straight.
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Speaker 10: Now they're having to fix it and put a driveway
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Speaker 10: at the rear so the trucks can get in, knowing
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Speaker 10: that they're also having to put in exhaust extraction because
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Speaker 10: their incompetence was that large.
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Speaker 5: Just biggers, believe Nick Gown appreciate you coming in. Thank
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Speaker 5: you very much for that all. Right after the break,
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Speaker 5: it's back to Peter in London. Should be joined by
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Speaker 5: a former advisor to Tony Blair for his take on
18:08
Speaker 5: Kiyos Starmer's leadership crisis, plus on the streets of London,
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Speaker 5: what do the voters really think of their Prime minister?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Well that news conference with Kirs Starmer. Downing
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Speaker 2: Street said this morning no comment setting up the left turns.
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Speaker 2: I can show you that now, so it is imminent.
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Speaker 2: We'll keep a close watch on all of that. But
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Speaker 2: given the leadership crisis, I thought it'd be good over
18:35
Speaker 2: the weekend to have our contributor, Sophiel's Worth head out
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Speaker 2: to Kiir Starmer's electric in North London to see what
18:42
Speaker 2: voters made of him and their biggest concerns for the
18:45
Speaker 2: UK right now.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, he's got a gore, get shot at them.
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Speaker 3: We need to shut a boarders, stop letting everyone in illegal.
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Speaker 3: So the ones that are coming in for legally faint,
18:56
Speaker 3: let them come in by the ones that are illegally
18:57
Speaker 3: coming in.
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Speaker 11: We need to we need to get the motor country.
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Speaker 2: Just think it makes the wrong decisions. He doesn't consult
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Speaker 2: the people.
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Speaker 3: It's all about where he run.
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Speaker 12: So what's going to make him look good?
19:07
Speaker 3: Do you think he should resign? Yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 13: And what's your view on Andy Burnham?
19:13
Speaker 2: I think you'll do a better job than Kia.
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Speaker 14: I don't think it's done much in the country. I've
19:17
Speaker 14: been born in nineteen seventy six, I'm nearly forty nine.
19:21
Speaker 14: I'm a conservative voter, and I just don't think it's
19:24
Speaker 14: not a lot for us as a country, as our whole.
19:27
Speaker 14: I would take on reform other than anyone else. I
19:31
Speaker 14: would go to reform. If I couldn't have conservative, I'd
19:33
Speaker 14: have reform. Yes, and that's strange come from a black person,
19:36
Speaker 14: But yeah, I think we're in a lot of trouble.
19:39
Speaker 14: I feel in a lot of trouble there. I think
19:40
Speaker 14: it's become lawless. We've got British people around here who
19:45
Speaker 14: are homeless and they can't be housed. But someone who
19:48
Speaker 14: came on a boat illegally who should be posted back
19:52
Speaker 14: gets housed.
19:53
Speaker 2: This country has had it.
19:56
Speaker 14: Why has had it because it's not a right amount
19:58
Speaker 14: of people that's controlling it properly, letting everything in and
20:01
Speaker 14: do whatever balve people do.
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Speaker 2: Shut the border and that's it done.
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Speaker 3: Any Burnham he just.
20:06
Speaker 9: Won the Vio election.
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Speaker 11: Do you think he's in Yeah, I personally, I mean
20:11
Speaker 11: Manchester normally I lived there and Ranny Burnham for the
20:13
Speaker 11: last like eight years. He's been fantastic, a great man,
20:16
Speaker 11: really good at reforming our bus system, education system currently.
20:19
Speaker 11: I think would be a good pre minister personally, but
20:21
Speaker 11: was wait to see.
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Speaker 15: I guess I don't think Labor's necessarily got a good alternative,
20:25
Speaker 15: but I just I don't think he's the person we
20:27
Speaker 15: need to going to lead up the country at this time.
20:30
Speaker 14: He's rubbish worse ever, everyone knows you don't have to
20:33
Speaker 14: explain nothing. The whole country knows.
20:38
Speaker 2: Well that's his own seat. But I don't like him,
20:40
Speaker 2: do they. That's Keir Starm of course, and we've got
20:43
Speaker 2: those confirmation now that there will be a press conference
20:45
Speaker 2: out a Downing Street will cover that in a moment.
20:47
Speaker 2: But joining me now, News Core correspondence, Sky News contributor
20:51
Speaker 2: of course, Sophie Ellsworth. Great to see you in person
20:53
Speaker 2: for a change, you know, universally in that package. When
20:57
Speaker 2: you're out in North London, everyone is talking about immigration.
21:01
Speaker 2: I've been here since Friday. Everyone I talked to, cabbys,
21:04
Speaker 2: people in the shops, people are the events I stop them.
21:07
Speaker 2: Immigration is the number one issue and he's lost control
21:12
Speaker 2: of that. It's a hard one to fix, it is.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, Peter, and you're absolutely right.
21:17
Speaker 13: What you're finding on the ground, just being here a
21:20
Speaker 13: few days is what I've found in the whole time I've.
21:23
Speaker 3: Been here in the UK.
21:24
Speaker 13: Migration, migration, migration, It's what people talk about. Britons are
21:29
Speaker 13: annoyed that people are coming into this country easily and
21:33
Speaker 13: what they feel is they're getting a free ride, and.
21:35
Speaker 3: They are very angry.
21:36
Speaker 13: They were angry at the Conservatives and now they're angry
21:39
Speaker 13: at Sickier Starmer and as we can see that, let
21:42
Speaker 13: turns out the front of Downing Street, so the drums
21:44
Speaker 13: are beating now loudly.
21:46
Speaker 2: So he was elected with a landslide, huge margin. This
21:49
Speaker 2: is his first term, he's not even two years in
21:54
Speaker 2: and he will be taken out by a bloke who
21:56
Speaker 2: one on Thursday. Andy Burnham quite come stuteley actually against reform.
22:02
Speaker 2: We'll talk to a labor insider in a moment about Burnham.
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Speaker 2: But if he announces as we expect, he resigns today,
22:09
Speaker 2: this will be an extraordinary period of time in British
22:12
Speaker 2: politics because it's likely that Burnham will not be opposed,
22:16
Speaker 2: will come in unopposed to the top job.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
22:20
Speaker 13: It looks like if all the cards fall as they're
22:22
Speaker 13: meant to fall, secure Starmer will resign. There won't be
22:26
Speaker 13: a leadership contest. Andy Burnham will stand unopposed and walk
22:32
Speaker 13: in and get the keys to Downing Street. Now this
22:34
Speaker 13: is really interesting, Peter, because he's been out of the
22:36
Speaker 13: House of Commons for almost a decade.
22:39
Speaker 3: He's marching back in there.
22:40
Speaker 13: Some are annoyed that he could just get the keys
22:43
Speaker 13: to Downing Street. People are asking what are his policies.
22:46
Speaker 13: We need in Britain to know more about what he
22:49
Speaker 13: stands for before he's given the keys to ten Downing Street.
22:53
Speaker 3: But Peter, this is remarkable because.
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Speaker 13: It could be if this happens, the seventh prime minister
22:59
Speaker 13: for the US in just ten years.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, last time I was here, we've caught
23:03
Speaker 2: the Australian disease. You know Theresa May and Rishis Sunak
23:07
Speaker 2: and Liz Trust etc. But our labor have basically got
23:12
Speaker 2: elected saying that they would not do this. The man
23:14
Speaker 2: of the Tories have an election every time they changed
23:16
Speaker 2: prime minister. Of course they did not. But it'll be
23:19
Speaker 2: a question whether or not they go to an early
23:20
Speaker 2: pole here. But let's go to Donald Trump because you've
23:23
Speaker 2: got a fantastic front page there. Donald Trump is the
23:26
Speaker 2: one who first told us that Starma would go.
23:30
Speaker 3: That's right.
23:31
Speaker 13: I mean, we've got this front page on the Sun.
23:32
Speaker 13: I mean they are the masterminds of headlines. Don and
23:36
Speaker 13: Dusted is the front of the London Sun today because
23:39
Speaker 13: he said that Sekre's.
23:41
Speaker 3: Starmer will resign.
23:42
Speaker 13: Now they've had a frosty relationship in recent months. He's
23:46
Speaker 13: accused the British government of not being there for them,
23:49
Speaker 13: particularly during the war in the Middle East. They've had
23:53
Speaker 13: a fallout. As Trump has fallen out with quite a
23:55
Speaker 13: few people. Sekire is another one. So he came out
23:58
Speaker 13: and tweeted this yesterday. He could well be right, Peter.
24:02
Speaker 2: I know you get around the country, you're not just
24:05
Speaker 2: focused on London. On the weekend I was out past
24:08
Speaker 2: Oxford in Country Britain. They are pretty angry of labor
24:13
Speaker 2: out there, but it's a Tory constituency. I went up
24:15
Speaker 2: to Warwick. They're very angry about labor, quite interested in reform,
24:20
Speaker 2: although disappointed that in the recent bilect sorry that recent
24:24
Speaker 2: council elections they had a mayor elected, a new mayor
24:27
Speaker 2: who was all of eighteen years of age, and they
24:29
Speaker 2: don't feel a reform mayor. He's quite up to the job.
24:33
Speaker 2: So I thought I'd find a bigger groundswell for reform here.
24:38
Speaker 2: It's a little bit patchy, but universally they want labor out.
24:43
Speaker 13: They want mainly at them right now, secure Starmer gone.
24:48
Speaker 13: And yes they're angry at labor. They feel like they've
24:51
Speaker 13: been given a chance. The Conservatives had fourteen years, Labor
24:55
Speaker 13: had their chance and they've blown it. People are looking
24:57
Speaker 13: for alternatives, Peter, and that is why reform. Even though
25:01
Speaker 13: people are saying political experts are saying they're flattened in
25:04
Speaker 13: the polls, they are still leading pretty much every pole
25:08
Speaker 13: hands down. And that's why this make you feel by
25:10
Speaker 13: election was so important because it perhaps shows that Andy
25:14
Speaker 13: Burnham may have what it takes to win back labor voters.
25:18
Speaker 2: Oliver there, I know you're going to have to hot
25:20
Speaker 2: foot it down to Downing Street by the look of things, Sophie,
25:22
Speaker 2: thank you, good to see in person. Right, Let's stay
25:24
Speaker 2: with the Starma leadership crisis. Joining me now someone who
25:27
Speaker 2: knows the intricacies of labor very well. He was a
25:30
Speaker 2: political secretary, of course to Tony Blair and for one
25:32
Speaker 2: time worked with Julia Gillard where we first came across
25:35
Speaker 2: each other as political opponents. I'm talking here, of course
25:39
Speaker 2: about John mcturner, and he joins me live now, John,
25:43
Speaker 2: help us unpick the entrails of all of this because
25:45
Speaker 2: Labor barn stormed its way into Downing Street with Kirstarma
25:50
Speaker 2: just two years ago Thumpy majority. They profited from the
25:54
Speaker 2: fact that the Tories had this revolving door prime ministership.
25:57
Speaker 2: Yeah two years in now it's absolute miss what's gone
26:02
Speaker 2: so wrong?
26:04
Speaker 15: The first thing to say was it was a loveless landslide.
26:08
Speaker 15: Labor lost were defeated by Boris Johnson, he got a landslide.
26:11
Speaker 15: In twenty nineteen, Labor under Jeremy Corbyn got thirty three
26:14
Speaker 15: percent of the vote. Kirs Starmer got a landslide with
26:18
Speaker 15: only thirty four percent of the vote, so not a
26:20
Speaker 15: very large number of people. And the biggest crisis for
26:23
Speaker 15: Kiir is that in the two years since he got
26:25
Speaker 15: elected form the government, he's half that support to seventeen percent.
26:31
Speaker 15: In a normal period, Nagel Farage on twenty five percent
26:35
Speaker 15: wouldn't scare the party of Government because the Party of
26:38
Speaker 15: Government would be on forty percent of the vote. So
26:40
Speaker 15: we've got a fragmented political landscape which amplifies all the
26:44
Speaker 15: feelings people have and it spreads them out across four
26:47
Speaker 15: or five parties. Here and himself he hasn't been able
26:51
Speaker 15: to communicate any.
26:52
Speaker 8: Of the good thing.
26:55
Speaker 2: We're just going to have to drop out there. We'll
26:57
Speaker 2: pick up the Prime minister.
27:08
Speaker 14: Thank you, thank you.
27:15
Speaker 12: Walking up this street two years ago was the proudest
27:19
Speaker 12: moment of my life. A new Labor government is a
27:26
Speaker 12: page in our country's history turned after years of disappointment
27:31
Speaker 12: and despair, the chance to change the lives of millions
27:35
Speaker 12: of people for the better that's what I came into
27:39
Speaker 12: politics for. The journey to that point was not easy.
27:46
Speaker 12: Six years ago, I inherited a labor party that was politically,
27:51
Speaker 12: financially and morally bankrupt. I was told time and time
27:58
Speaker 12: again that my party was finished, that we were consigned
28:03
Speaker 12: to history, that a majority at the general election, let
28:08
Speaker 12: alone a landslide majority, was impossible. But we proved those
28:14
Speaker 12: people wrong because we changed our party, ripping out the
28:19
Speaker 12: poison of anti Semitism, restoring trust on the economy, defense
28:26
Speaker 12: and national security, and becoming a party that once again
28:30
Speaker 12: stood proudly with, not against, our national flag. The hard
28:36
Speaker 12: work of change was with a singular purpose, not power
28:41
Speaker 12: for power's sake, but to change Britain for the better,
28:46
Speaker 12: to build a fairer country with dignity and respect, where
28:53
Speaker 12: everyone is seen, everyone is valued, wealth and opportunity for all,
29:01
Speaker 12: not just the privileged crew. And look at what we've
29:07
Speaker 12: achieved in just two years. And economy that is stronger,
29:13
Speaker 12: going faster than our peers, wages rising faster than inflation
29:18
Speaker 12: in every single month since we came to power, Investments,
29:23
Speaker 12: secured infrastructure being built, an end to austerity, with the
29:29
Speaker 12: fastest fall in NHS waiting lists for seventeen years, the
29:34
Speaker 12: biggest improvement in rights for workers and renters in a generation,
29:40
Speaker 12: the biggest uplift in defense spending since the Cold War,
29:44
Speaker 12: small boat crossings falling, asylum hotels closing, protecting young people
29:51
Speaker 12: from social media, and half a million children being lifted
29:55
Speaker 12: out of poverty. Because of the choices that I made,
30:01
Speaker 12: our reputation in the world restored, with Britain once again
30:06
Speaker 12: standing up for decency, respect and the rule of law,
30:11
Speaker 12: securing trade does standing with Ukraine, standing up for our values,
30:17
Speaker 12: and rebuilding our relationship with our allies in Europe. Change
30:22
Speaker 12: promised by a labor government, change fought for by a
30:26
Speaker 12: labor government, change delivered by a labor government. But I
30:34
Speaker 12: know the question being asked now is not who was
30:39
Speaker 12: best placed to change the Labor Party, to take us
30:42
Speaker 12: into power and to begin the vital work of improving
30:46
Speaker 12: lives for millions of people. Those questions have been answered.
30:53
Speaker 12: The question my party is asking now is whether I
30:57
Speaker 12: am best placed to lead us into the next general election.
31:04
Speaker 12: I have heard the answer of my parliamentary party to
31:08
Speaker 12: that question, and I accept that answer with good grace.
31:15
Speaker 12: Every decision I've taken has been about putting the country
31:19
Speaker 12: I love first. That is why I will resign as
31:24
Speaker 12: Leader of the Labor Party. I have spoken to His
31:28
Speaker 12: Majesty the King this morning to inform him of my decision.
31:33
Speaker 12: I will ask the National Executive Committee of the Labor
31:35
Speaker 12: Party to set out a timetable, with nominations opening on
31:40
Speaker 12: the ninth of July and completed by the summer recess.
31:44
Speaker 12: In the case of a contest, This will ensure a
31:47
Speaker 12: new leader is in place before Parliament returns in September.
31:53
Speaker 12: I will remain in post as Prime Minister until the
31:56
Speaker 12: contest is complete, and I will do everything I can
32:01
Speaker 12: to ensure an orderly handover of power. I will also
32:06
Speaker 12: give my successor my full and unequivocal support, knowing that
32:10
Speaker 12: they will inherit a Britain that is far stronger and
32:13
Speaker 12: fairer than the wine I inherited two years ago, better
32:18
Speaker 12: prepared for the challenges ahead, and better able to ensure
32:21
Speaker 12: the Labor Party secures a second term in office. I
32:26
Speaker 12: want to thank all of those friends and colleagues who
32:30
Speaker 12: have been at my side for these past six years
32:33
Speaker 12: or so for their incredible commitment, service and support. I
32:39
Speaker 12: want to thank the brilliant number ten staff and our
32:42
Speaker 12: country's extraordinary civil service who dedicate their lives to public service.
32:49
Speaker 12: And when I leave the biggest job in the country,
32:53
Speaker 12: I shall spend more time on the most important job,
32:58
Speaker 12: being the best husband I can to my fantastic wife Vick,
33:02
Speaker 12: who has been a rock by my side through good
33:05
Speaker 12: times and bad, and being the best dad I can
33:10
Speaker 12: to my beautiful children who are my pride and my joy.
33:15
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Yeah, okay, we'll leave it there.
33:27
Speaker 2: That's the Prime Minister who has now formally intended his resignation.
33:31
Speaker 2: He said he has spoken to the King this morning.
33:34
Speaker 2: Of course, that is the protocol here in Australia. Of
33:37
Speaker 2: course it's the Governor General, but very much the same there.
33:40
Speaker 2: And you've got a timetable laid out I'll bring you
33:43
Speaker 2: if I can back John McTurnan, because you know this
33:46
Speaker 2: better than anyone. John mcturnon, long time labor insider, of course,
33:51
Speaker 2: the former staff of the Tony Blair. He announced a
33:54
Speaker 2: timetable there that he'll go via the committee to open
33:58
Speaker 2: up the nominations process on the of July. I'll come
34:01
Speaker 2: to that in a moment. He then said that that
34:03
Speaker 2: would be concluded. Nominations would close by the summer recess.
34:07
Speaker 2: By my reckoning, that's the sixteenth of July when the
34:11
Speaker 2: Commons will rise if it is contested. Very much like
34:15
Speaker 2: the labor ballots now in Australia, it has an involvement
34:18
Speaker 2: of a membership vote and a corcus vote that would
34:21
Speaker 2: take it out until September. He will stay in place
34:24
Speaker 2: until that time. Big question for you, though, mate isn't
34:27
Speaker 2: going to be contested or will it be Andy Burnham
34:31
Speaker 2: and no one else in the race.
34:34
Speaker 15: I think it will be Andy Burnham Onley because I
34:37
Speaker 15: think he has got the backing of nearly three hundred
34:40
Speaker 15: MPs and there is really no point in putting yourself
34:45
Speaker 15: forward to be crushed by Burnham. It's right for this
34:49
Speaker 15: to be a period in which Kirsty's Prime Minister and
34:53
Speaker 15: Andy prepares to be Prime Minster. That's right for Andy's
34:57
Speaker 15: people to talk to the civil service to start, the
35:00
Speaker 15: bureaucrats to find to start to tell them what their
35:02
Speaker 15: policies are, what their aims are.
35:04
Speaker 8: How those can be brought together.
35:06
Speaker 15: It's likely they'll need to be The budget this year
35:09
Speaker 15: need to be moved into next year because the budget
35:12
Speaker 15: or the tight timetable of the budget means that you
35:14
Speaker 15: started to look at closing figures and estimates now, so
35:17
Speaker 15: there's all kinds of things that need to change. But
35:20
Speaker 15: why would you stand against Andy Berne with all his momentum.
35:25
Speaker 15: You stand to prove a point, But what point are
35:27
Speaker 15: you trying to prove. You can't be trying to prove
35:30
Speaker 15: that the policies of Starmer and Reeves were right. You
35:33
Speaker 15: can't be standing to prove that there's something wrong in
35:38
Speaker 15: changing the leader. You can't be starting to prove that
35:40
Speaker 15: you're a better candidate. So you're standing to be crushed.
35:43
Speaker 15: And there's no ideological difference. I think in the people
35:47
Speaker 15: who around who have been thinking of standing, West Treating
35:49
Speaker 15: and Andy Burnham probably broadly believe in the same things
35:53
Speaker 15: in terms of the analysis of what went wrong and
35:55
Speaker 15: what needs to change. So having a battle where you're saying, well,
35:59
Speaker 15: I agree with you, I with you, what's the point?
36:01
Speaker 15: I think West Treaty will probably get offered a major
36:04
Speaker 15: role in the in Underground's cabinet. That will go and
36:08
Speaker 15: then the idea that a challenger will come from the
36:11
Speaker 15: star Wars site. It's q star Wars accepted that his
36:14
Speaker 15: period in politics is over. There was never a star Merism,
36:17
Speaker 15: So the idea there should be a Starright's successor is well,
36:21
Speaker 15: it's ludicrous.
36:24
Speaker 2: All right. So let's assume it is uncontested, it's Burnham
36:28
Speaker 2: and he can take over the reins much earlier than September.
36:33
Speaker 2: Talk to me about what went wrong. I want to
36:37
Speaker 2: get my head around the man and is Burnham, because
36:39
Speaker 2: I've had conflicting reports provided to me over the last
36:42
Speaker 2: forty eight hours. But what went so wrong? Because as
36:46
Speaker 2: I've got around and talked to people literally first, second,
36:49
Speaker 2: and third, they're coming back with migration. Is that a
36:52
Speaker 2: uniform view? Is it the failure of migration that has
36:56
Speaker 2: sunk this government that's not even two years in its
37:00
Speaker 2: first ten.
37:02
Speaker 15: No, there's nothing that There's there's nothing in the fall
37:06
Speaker 15: in Ker's support that's got anything to do with migration,
37:10
Speaker 15: except with one regard, which is that the policy adopted
37:13
Speaker 15: by his chiefest staff Morgan McSweeney and Keir Starmer was
37:17
Speaker 15: to become a reform adjacent, farage adjacent party and there's
37:23
Speaker 15: no room in the political marketplace for a slightly more
37:27
Speaker 15: right wing labor party. The competition that labor suffered from
37:31
Speaker 15: as being on its on its on its left, from
37:34
Speaker 15: the Greens, from the Lib Dems, and the problem for
37:37
Speaker 15: the problem for the Labor Party is for its for
37:40
Speaker 15: its supporters is tried again again again to cut the
37:44
Speaker 15: welfare state. And to be honest, no one votes Labor
37:47
Speaker 15: ever to cut the welfare state. You vote Tory to
37:51
Speaker 15: cut the welfare state, and then you vote Labor to
37:54
Speaker 15: take children out of poverty.
37:56
Speaker 8: And that I.
37:57
Speaker 15: Think the symbolic thing that Kirs Starmer did when he
38:00
Speaker 15: took away it was when he took away his first
38:02
Speaker 15: acting government was to take away the winter fuel payment
38:05
Speaker 15: from pensers, nine million pensters all offside immediately.
38:09
Speaker 8: That branded him and I.
38:10
Speaker 15: Think he could never communicate, We could never communicate as
38:13
Speaker 15: well as did that lecture and speech. Just know, that's
38:16
Speaker 15: the best communication I've ever heard from him about the
38:18
Speaker 15: achievements of the government. If he'd done that for two years,
38:20
Speaker 15: he might be in a very different situation.
38:25
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, just on that. Then the economy. You've got
38:28
Speaker 2: the energy crisis that I think most of the Western
38:31
Speaker 2: world is gripped with. Your former boss, Tony Blair was well,
38:35
Speaker 2: He's made headlines, particularly in Australia too, when he says
38:38
Speaker 2: the era of zero is dead. We have to move on.
38:40
Speaker 2: We have to be secure as a country in a
38:43
Speaker 2: military and defense sense, but we've got to be energy secure.
38:47
Speaker 2: What sort of labor type is Andy Burnham? Is he
38:51
Speaker 2: going to go sort of the way of Corbyn further
38:54
Speaker 2: and further to the left or is he like your
38:56
Speaker 2: former boss Tony Blair or you know, more pragmatic libel
39:01
Speaker 2: later is that what Britain will get?
39:04
Speaker 15: Look I think, looking historically is more like Harold Wilson.
39:07
Speaker 15: He's from the left, and Wilson then won four out
39:09
Speaker 15: of five general elections, so I think he's a winner.
39:12
Speaker 15: I think he's from the left, but he's from the
39:14
Speaker 15: pragmatic left. I think in terms of energy, you're in
39:18
Speaker 15: London now, I'm speaking to you from France. Countries which
39:23
Speaker 15: are not in Britain, and France are suffering the worst
39:26
Speaker 15: heat waves for June ever. We just had the worst
39:29
Speaker 15: heat waves for May ever. Climate crisis is real. The
39:34
Speaker 15: need for net zero next year's only over if you
39:37
Speaker 15: actually think that net zero is not enough. You need
39:39
Speaker 15: to actually reduce carbon and so the issue, the urgency
39:44
Speaker 15: is to get off the addiction to fossil fuels the
39:46
Speaker 15: urgency and look it's been.
39:48
Speaker 8: Shown by Trump.
39:49
Speaker 15: Trump invading Iran insanely has had an impact on the
39:53
Speaker 15: living standards of everybody in the world because of the
39:56
Speaker 15: way the petrol prices of Brison and all prices of
39:59
Speaker 15: prison and first fertilized prices of rerisen. So the need
40:03
Speaker 15: to transition more rapidly to nancier, the need to transition
40:06
Speaker 15: more rapidly to renewables, to have renewables as your core energy,
40:10
Speaker 15: which helps to insulate you from putin or from Trump,
40:14
Speaker 15: from global forces. And so that that's a reason why
40:17
Speaker 15: you might see Andy Burnham making Ed Milliband.
40:20
Speaker 8: Is chancellor, because who better to.
40:23
Speaker 15: Be chancellor than somebody who understands the entire economy of
40:27
Speaker 15: the UK needs to shift dramatically away from its addiction
40:30
Speaker 15: to fossil fuels.
40:32
Speaker 2: And so there's something John, John, my viewers can't see
40:35
Speaker 2: my face. I'm just about blowing up over here, because
40:39
Speaker 2: you know that spiel from you. If that's taken up
40:43
Speaker 2: by Burnon, that will be absolute manner from heaven for
40:47
Speaker 2: someone like Nigel Farage. I mean, I've got to ask
40:49
Speaker 2: you about Farage. How much has that the juggernaut of
40:53
Speaker 2: reform forced Labour's hand here.
40:57
Speaker 15: So British politics is five party politics at the moment,
41:02
Speaker 15: and that means that Farage, with twenty five percent.
41:04
Speaker 8: Of the vote, is the boss.
41:07
Speaker 15: Like he's absolutely in charge of politics and he should
41:09
Speaker 15: be winning everything. The thing is, Andy Burnham stopped that
41:13
Speaker 15: juggernaut in its tracks. Makerfield is number six on the
41:18
Speaker 15: reform hit list. Their target seats, they earn the first
41:22
Speaker 15: four of those, and they should on the base of
41:24
Speaker 15: local elections just six weeks ago one make a field easily.
41:29
Speaker 15: And so Andy is the only political politician in the
41:33
Speaker 15: Labor Party who's able to actually have a head to
41:35
Speaker 15: head fight with nither Farage.
41:37
Speaker 8: And you know, I agree with you.
41:38
Speaker 15: It is manner from heaven for a Farage for Labor
41:42
Speaker 15: to double down on net zero. But if if doubling
41:45
Speaker 15: down on thatt zero means you can you can cut
41:48
Speaker 15: the cost of your car yo van by ninety percent,
41:51
Speaker 15: If doubling down in at zero means solar panels installed
41:55
Speaker 15: in working class in working class homes actually mean that
41:58
Speaker 15: you cut your ulteristed the virtues of zero, then actually
42:02
Speaker 15: you can make the biggest impact on cost of living
42:06
Speaker 15: by doubling down on that zero. He is an ideological
42:09
Speaker 15: battle and you have to take that battle. And the
42:11
Speaker 15: thing about Andy Burnham is he's got the character to
42:14
Speaker 15: take on Nigel Faraj. He's got the chops. We've seen
42:18
Speaker 15: it in Makerfield. He can win those vert is over
42:21
Speaker 15: and y there.
42:22
Speaker 2: Is a good communicator. Yeah, all right, I leave it there,
42:26
Speaker 2: John big Turner, thank you.
42:27
Speaker 8: Thanks.
42:28
Speaker 2: I'll go right now though. In the desk with me
42:31
Speaker 2: here in London at the desk is Chris Joman, our
42:33
Speaker 2: political contributor. Of course it's a Monday. Timing is good.
42:37
Speaker 2: I have to say I'm pleased that we're here for
42:39
Speaker 2: this momentous day in British history because it's not just
42:43
Speaker 2: Britain that's changing their prime minister, and we know why.
42:46
Speaker 2: But this has got ramifications not just for Australia, Chris,
42:51
Speaker 2: but I think more broadly for Western democracies. I mean,
42:54
Speaker 2: have we got to the point where governments aren't allowed
42:57
Speaker 2: to govern or leaders aren't allowed to take tough decisions
43:01
Speaker 2: because we knife them, we take them out at the
43:04
Speaker 2: first sniff of a few bad polls. That's the worry
43:08
Speaker 2: when I see this play out here after two years
43:10
Speaker 2: of a landslide win.
43:11
Speaker 1: And you've been through all this and I've been through
43:13
Speaker 1: all this. We used to call it the new South
43:14
Speaker 1: Wales disease where we got rid of premiers and it's
43:17
Speaker 1: spread to Camera. We were rid of prime ministers and
43:20
Speaker 1: now it's spread to the UK where they're getting rid
43:22
Speaker 1: of prime miisters. Seven prime ministers in ten years, particularly
43:25
Speaker 1: in a system where you've got five year terms, and
43:27
Speaker 1: he won such a thumping majority.
43:30
Speaker 8: Just two years ago.
43:31
Speaker 1: The question is how can you come to this, and that,
43:35
Speaker 1: no doubt everyone has an opinion on Obviously, as far
43:39
Speaker 1: as the people of the UK are concerned, things just
43:41
Speaker 1: didn't get better. So what are we talking about with that, Well,
43:44
Speaker 1: the economy just didn't get better. The idea that migration
43:47
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it, I disagree with that,
43:49
Speaker 1: Like I keep hearing that as a thing now that
43:52
Speaker 1: that's an economic argument as well. People feel the pressure
43:56
Speaker 1: of migrants when they feel under economic pressure, they feel
43:59
Speaker 1: that breathing down their neck. That's the weight of it
44:01
Speaker 1: that rests on people. So I think it's wrapped up
44:04
Speaker 1: in an economic argument. And again listening to that will
44:07
Speaker 1: go right ahead. Like if you are going to aim
44:09
Speaker 1: for net zero, which is something that the world is
44:10
Speaker 1: not doing and will force electricity prices way higher. That's
44:15
Speaker 1: been the outcome. Right, Let's look at the outcomes of
44:17
Speaker 1: what we've seen of this Labor Party's policies, which is
44:20
Speaker 1: to drive energy prices ever higher. What the people of
44:23
Speaker 1: the UK want is what Tony Blair is talking about
44:26
Speaker 1: is cheap energy and that's what drives an economy, and
44:29
Speaker 1: that's what's missing here. So sure, go ahead if you
44:31
Speaker 1: make Ed miller band the chancellor. The only my only
44:36
Speaker 1: purpose on earth seems to be to make Crispallen look good.
44:40
Speaker 1: Will go right ahead, because that's going to drive the
44:42
Speaker 1: economy here into the ground.
44:45
Speaker 2: Why he left out there? You know, I love when
44:47
Speaker 2: the Brits talk about solar panels because they have probably
44:50
Speaker 2: a couple of days a year where those panels will
44:52
Speaker 2: kick in. Maybe it'll be Wednesday when they hit thirty
44:54
Speaker 2: six degrees here, which will which will be warm in London,
44:58
Speaker 2: it'll be warm. I don't have that renewables infrastructure to
45:03
Speaker 2: drive their economy with this many people. It's built on coal, gas,
45:09
Speaker 2: north sea oil of course that other countries are drilling
45:12
Speaker 2: and sending their way. But of course they've got nuclear.
45:16
Speaker 2: Nuclear is back in the game in Britain, so they
45:18
Speaker 2: can have lower emissions because they have a nuclear future
45:22
Speaker 2: that we don't have in Australia.
45:24
Speaker 1: I have the highest electricity prices in the western world.
45:27
Speaker 1: Pretty much. Germany rivals them. Of course, it's doing the
45:29
Speaker 1: same thing. The ludicrous thing that we've got now is
45:32
Speaker 1: north sea oil. Two countries basically look at it. Norway
45:36
Speaker 1: which is continuing to draw on its north sea oil reserves.
45:39
Speaker 1: It has expanded its north sea oil. Absolutely, we'll be
45:42
Speaker 1: exporting oil to where to the UK. There's a dividing
45:45
Speaker 1: line where the UK has let its assets run down.
45:48
Speaker 1: It will not use them.
45:49
Speaker 2: This is the portent for Australia, Chris. This is why
45:51
Speaker 2: I say when people look to America all the time
45:54
Speaker 2: for their political learnings to play back into Australia, I
45:57
Speaker 2: always say that you need to look at Britain first,
46:00
Speaker 2: because it is the better Petri dish of the two
46:02
Speaker 2: in terms of the policies. The relationship between labor and Australia,
46:06
Speaker 2: and labor here means that they trial stuff here. It
46:10
Speaker 2: comes home to Australia. We're like that on gas, We're
46:13
Speaker 2: like that on coal. And we're like that on uranium.
46:15
Speaker 1: And the idea that net zero is going to bring
46:18
Speaker 1: your prices down, well, the world is not doing that
46:20
Speaker 1: zero unless China does something about net zero which burned more,
46:24
Speaker 1: or Russia or in the exactly none of them are
46:26
Speaker 1: doing it right, So nothing the UK does will have
46:27
Speaker 1: any effect. It's around about the same as US, about
46:29
Speaker 1: one percent of carlon emission, So it's not going to
46:32
Speaker 1: change the weather in Europe, right, So it simply isn't.
46:35
Speaker 1: So the temperature has been rising here, there's no doubt
46:37
Speaker 1: about that. Never made that argument. The only argument I
46:39
Speaker 1: make is that you need to stay rich and adapt
46:42
Speaker 1: because the world's not doing that zero, So you don't
46:44
Speaker 1: want to become poor while this is all happening, and
46:46
Speaker 1: if you choose the wrong energy systems, you will become poor.
46:50
Speaker 1: The UK is proving that. That for me, is at
46:52
Speaker 1: the heart of all of this. If you make yourself
46:54
Speaker 1: a poorer country, you make you drag your economy to
46:58
Speaker 1: its knees. That's where all these troubles begin. And that's
47:01
Speaker 1: where migration starts to play into this. Because I already
47:03
Speaker 1: feel poor. I don't want a whole bunch of people
47:05
Speaker 1: here competing for my living standards and for my housing space,
47:10
Speaker 1: and for the jobs. And that's where I think migration
47:12
Speaker 1: becomes a big thing. Once your economy starts to go downhill,
47:16
Speaker 1: then the anger about new people arriving the weight of it.
47:21
Speaker 2: It's the welfare payments too. The one thing that's been
47:23
Speaker 2: retailed back to me is and people know down into
47:25
Speaker 2: the last couple of dollars what some of these migrants
47:28
Speaker 2: are getting. You know, they're housed in hotels, they're getting
47:31
Speaker 2: particular payments, they're getting payments for children and family though
47:35
Speaker 2: most of them are sort of fighting age Muslim men,
47:39
Speaker 2: and that's also a worry. There's concerns about safety cohesion.
47:44
Speaker 2: Women have raised concerns with me. They have a parallel
47:49
Speaker 2: concern about unfettered migration, and what we have seen now
47:56
Speaker 2: with the revelations regarding grooming gangs as coalesced as well.
48:01
Speaker 2: So it's just not the numbers crossing the border. You're
48:06
Speaker 2: changing Britain will not be Britain anymore. And that was
48:09
Speaker 2: particularly strong when I got outside of London.
48:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, few people will know this better than you.
48:13
Speaker 1: It is the unregulated nature of the migration which is
48:17
Speaker 1: what people see so if you've got people coming across
48:22
Speaker 1: the shiny gap between France and the UK across the
48:25
Speaker 1: channel in small boats, which they do, and their hundreds
48:28
Speaker 1: and their thousands, then people feel like the government doesn't
48:31
Speaker 1: have control of that. That's the real issue. If they
48:33
Speaker 1: could get a handle on that and have an orderly
48:36
Speaker 1: migration program, that have less of a problem with the
48:39
Speaker 1: way that people perceive it.
48:41
Speaker 2: So what's happening here is not just limit to the
48:44
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. I mean, I think at Australian history there's
48:48
Speaker 2: never been a sway of seats one greater than what
48:51
Speaker 2: Albany is in one of the last election in May.
48:54
Speaker 2: We're now in June. It's only thirteen months later, and
48:58
Speaker 2: he's on his knees. Politically, it was primary voter is suffering.
49:01
Speaker 2: His trust values are low, his net negatives are high,
49:05
Speaker 2: his dissatisfaction is through the roof. So how did it
49:09
Speaker 2: turn so badly for the government so quickly? And I
49:12
Speaker 2: watched Question Time again today that the arrogance in the responses,
49:19
Speaker 2: the dismissing of one nation, the mocking of the coalition
49:23
Speaker 2: who is struggling. Of course, but if you aggregate the
49:26
Speaker 2: votes away from the government, government's in trouble. It's just
49:30
Speaker 2: masked at the moment because that vote is split on
49:33
Speaker 2: the right.
49:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to not see the relationship between these
49:37
Speaker 1: two countries, right. They called it the loveless Landslide when
49:39
Speaker 1: Kirstamer got in. It would be the same thing with
49:41
Speaker 1: the Albanesi government. The Conservative governments both in Australia and
49:46
Speaker 1: here lost badly. That was what people were reacting to it.
49:49
Speaker 1: We saw the primary votes of the major parties losing.
49:52
Speaker 1: What people think is that politics as usual has not
49:55
Speaker 1: worked for them. They vote for different parties and nothing
49:57
Speaker 1: ever changes, nothing actually gets better in the terms that
50:00
Speaker 1: they matter to them, in the way they measure it
50:02
Speaker 1: with their lives.
50:03
Speaker 2: So what are people telling you about reform here? Because
50:05
Speaker 2: John was pretty dismissive there about reform or the threat
50:08
Speaker 2: to reform, and he thinks so burn And will come
50:10
Speaker 2: in and there's talk that burn And will come in
50:12
Speaker 2: and have a very early election here. What are people
50:15
Speaker 2: telling you about reform?
50:16
Speaker 1: Well, I think that there's a concern on the right here.
50:18
Speaker 1: At we're beginning to see is the fracturing of the right.
50:20
Speaker 1: You've got Reform and Restore now and the Conservative Party
50:23
Speaker 1: and the reason that they're thinking that Burnham is their
50:25
Speaker 1: man is because of the Makerfield by election. He won
50:27
Speaker 1: more votes than all of those three combined. So people
50:30
Speaker 1: see that and they think the go we've got a
50:32
Speaker 1: leader who's going to do that. What I see in
50:34
Speaker 1: him as a very good communicator, of course, but unfortunately
50:36
Speaker 1: a political lifer. Like again, go back and look at
50:39
Speaker 1: his past. Is essentially comes out, joins the Lay Party
50:42
Speaker 1: at the age of fifteen and then spends the rest
50:44
Speaker 1: of his working life working his way through the Labor Party,
50:47
Speaker 1: first through the ranks of being a minder, then through
50:50
Speaker 1: the ranks of being a minister and then a mayor,
50:55
Speaker 1: and now back into the job and looking to be PM. Yeah,
50:59
Speaker 1: it all sounds good, but what will be measured is
51:02
Speaker 1: whether or not things improve. Now, maybe he wants to
51:04
Speaker 1: go an election as fast as he possibly can because
51:06
Speaker 1: he will be measured by that standard. For less time
51:09
Speaker 1: between him getting in as being PM and going to
51:11
Speaker 1: an election and being measured against what happens in government
51:16
Speaker 1: for him may well be better. But we're speculating now.
51:18
Speaker 1: You know, he's got a long time to the next election.
51:20
Speaker 1: The question is how is he different, Like, what is
51:23
Speaker 1: he different in any way, shape or form from Keir Starmer.
51:26
Speaker 1: Is he going to push further to the left. Well,
51:28
Speaker 1: if he pushes further the left, that happens more space
51:30
Speaker 1: on the right, So you know, and Starma tried to
51:34
Speaker 1: push the center that clearly didn't work. Maybe it's a
51:36
Speaker 1: vote against politicians. People are sick of the fact that.
51:39
Speaker 2: I think actually, I think that at the moment people
51:43
Speaker 2: are incredibly worried about their futures. They're under pressure, they
51:47
Speaker 2: don't feel that there's anyone in their corner, and they
51:50
Speaker 2: are reacting in the polls absolutely in a very different
51:54
Speaker 2: way than we've seen in the past. But that's just
51:56
Speaker 2: made the system more topsy turvy. Then they react to
51:59
Speaker 2: a topsy turvy system, there's no stability out there for
52:03
Speaker 2: the voter, and then they are in fact creating almost
52:06
Speaker 2: more volatile if the circles feeding on itself creure.
52:09
Speaker 1: And I think the basic thing for me is competence,
52:11
Speaker 1: and it goes back through two governments here and many
52:14
Speaker 1: governments in Australia. Is I don't actually think anymore that
52:17
Speaker 1: the people who are running the show are very good
52:19
Speaker 1: at it. I don't think that they have much of
52:20
Speaker 1: an idea nor by the way, do I think that
52:23
Speaker 1: the bureaucrats who advise them have much of an idea?
52:25
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that I've seen
52:27
Speaker 1: in my lifestyle is the collapse of Treasury as an
52:30
Speaker 1: agency which used to have some sense of intellectual rigor
52:34
Speaker 1: about it, not just ticking off on the dumb ideas
52:37
Speaker 1: of treasurers, which apparently, it appears to me to be
52:40
Speaker 1: what they do now.
52:41
Speaker 2: Dumb ideas from treasurers are manifest Christiomana.
52:44
Speaker 1: Ideas from treasurer and Treasury should be saying, you know what,
52:47
Speaker 1: we try that it's a really bad idea.
52:50
Speaker 2: Don't good to see you. See you over the week
52:52
Speaker 2: at ARC. Of course, let's let's go back to Melbourne.
52:56
Speaker 2: Bring in my co host Steve Price. Not much co tonight.
53:00
Speaker 2: I'm afraid we had that news out of Downing Street
53:03
Speaker 2: where we had to cross to that incredibly important news
53:06
Speaker 2: because as Chris and I were just discussing a lot
53:09
Speaker 2: of what plays out in Britain, Steve comes to Australia
53:12
Speaker 2: and they used to call it the Australian disease of
53:14
Speaker 2: knife in their prime ministers and moving on. But I
53:16
Speaker 2: think Britain absolutely owns it. At the moment, and you know,
53:21
Speaker 2: the world's a topsy turvy place, and reform I think
53:24
Speaker 2: has a lot of learning or has provided a lot
53:27
Speaker 2: of learning to one nation in Australia one hundred percent.
53:31
Speaker 5: I think you're portrayal of holding a mirror up to
53:35
Speaker 5: Britain and that's what's going to unfold in Australia. Is
53:38
Speaker 5: absolutely one hundred percent correct. And I'll tell you who.
53:41
Speaker 5: We'll be having a very uneasy sleep tonight at the lodge,
53:44
Speaker 5: and that's Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi, who of course is
53:46
Speaker 5: are made to kiss Starmer's and Albo will go to
53:49
Speaker 5: bed tonight and you'll be thinking to himself, well, Starmer
53:52
Speaker 5: didn't last long and it was immigration, the migration policies
53:56
Speaker 5: and the net zero arguments that drove him out of office.
54:01
Speaker 5: I'm sitting here with the same thing staring me in
54:04
Speaker 5: the face with one nation tonight, celebrating and probably going you, beauty.
54:11
Speaker 2: Look, you're not wrong. I've had this conversation with Andrew Kloudaw.
54:14
Speaker 2: We're both on a bit of a unity ticket. The
54:17
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's been in the Parliament for twenty six years
54:19
Speaker 2: or something. Highest he's ever going to be he's got
54:23
Speaker 2: to where he thought he never would and a lot
54:26
Speaker 2: of his critics never thought he would get there as well.
54:28
Speaker 2: I think he will use this term to dismount.
54:33
Speaker 5: Well he's shrunk in the office, which I didn't think
54:36
Speaker 5: he would do. I would have thought that he would
54:37
Speaker 5: have grown into the job. I mean, and we've seen
54:40
Speaker 5: prime ministers that have grown into the job and those
54:42
Speaker 5: that have shrunk into the job, and he's one of
54:44
Speaker 5: the ones that's shrunk into the job. If he just
54:46
Speaker 5: does not fill any of us with any confidence, Peter
54:49
Speaker 5: at all.
54:52
Speaker 2: Right, I catch up with you tomorrow night. We'll both
54:54
Speaker 2: be watching Australia and the UK. Thanks Steve. That's it
54:58
Speaker 2: for me in London. I'll be back to borrow night,
55:00
Speaker 2: and of course I will be coming to live from
55:02
Speaker 2: the ARC conference Alliance for Responsible Citizenship in London. Huge
55:07
Speaker 2: lineup of speakers Bjorn Lomberg, Constantine Kiss and a lot
55:11
Speaker 2: of Australians. We're also going to hear for the first
55:13
Speaker 2: time from doctor Hillary Cass the famous cast review that
55:18
Speaker 2: ended the whole trans medical data at least in the
55:21
Speaker 2: UK when it comes to children. We'll also get out
55:24
Speaker 2: on the ground. I'm going to speak to some British
55:26
Speaker 2: experts about radical Islam, and those programs that are supposed
55:31
Speaker 2: to deradicalize would be tourists or they don't work. That's
55:36
Speaker 2: the experience certainly here in the UK. We are spending
55:39
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty million on those programs in Australia.
55:44
Speaker 2: If they don't work here, I don't think they're going
55:46
Speaker 2: to work at home. But we'll speak to the detectives
55:49
Speaker 2: and everybody else. That's it, though tonight, look forward to
55:53
Speaker 2: your company tomorrow night. Here's Andrew