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UnchainedTV: What is the state of the global vegan scene in food & fashion? · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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Oh, we are in the midst of a
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revolution or is it an evolution?
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As many, many people go out of their
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way to try to convince the world we
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don't need to kill kangaroos for shoes.
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We don't need to kill chickens for chicken
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wings.
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These are made from cauliflower and they're delicious.
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And we're gonna talk to the chef.
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We don't need to kill cows to make
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burgers.
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These are quinoa burgers with a perfect protein
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in them.
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So how are we doing?
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How are we convincing 8.1 billion humans
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that the ways of old not working for
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us now?
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We've got two incredible authors with us today.
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Jonathan Ohan of Fake Movement and Healthy Voyagers.
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Carolyn Scott Hamilton.
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They are amazing.
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I'm gonna start with Carolyn.
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Carolyn, you do everything you can to convince
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the public that you don't need to kill
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animals to have a fabulous, fabulous dish.
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How are we doing?
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How are we doing?
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Great, great.
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How are you?
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How are we doing as a movement to
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wake people up?
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I think I've been vegan for 26 years
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now and I am shocked and excited at
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how far we've come.
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26 years ago, people would look at me
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and say, oh my gosh, that's gotta be
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so hard.
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No one had heard of it.
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It was just kind of starting grassroots.
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And now the fact that I hear vegan,
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plant-based everywhere around the world, it's, I
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think we're doing really well.
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We still have quite a bit of a
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ways to go, but I've seen it just
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go leaps and bounds ahead further than I
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ever expected it to go, especially in this
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short amount of time.
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Well, I love the fact that you are
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positive about this because there are so many
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people who are saying right now we're under
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attack.
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We've got nasty articles being written about vegans
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and veganism and there's sort of a campaign
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being waged against veganism probably because we are
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successful.
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So I wanna bring in Jonathan Ohayon in.
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He's an amazing author of this book and
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we're gonna get to your book too, Carolyn,
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but this one is just out and it's
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a very provocative title.
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The Fashion Industry Does Not Want You to
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Read This Book.
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Oh my gosh, Jonathan, tell us why the
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fashion industry does not want you to read
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your book.
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Because they want to keep using greenwashing with
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us and to keep sending us things while
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we don't know what it truly is.
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So that's why they don't want you to
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be educated because they know that this is
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the power.
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The power is education.
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And yeah, I love to say we're all
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superhero.
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Our superpower is choice and the responsibility we
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have is education.
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That's how we will be able to make
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those choices.
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So that's why they don't want you to
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read this book.
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What are some of the things in the
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book that are alarming?
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Oh, there's over 70 questions.
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Each question could be a whole book on
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his own.
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So there's so many problem.
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I talk about the way we treat humans,
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the way we treat, of course, animals, the
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way we treat our environment.
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So it will be very hard to just
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pick one, but yeah, there's so many different
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example of the thing they don't want you
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to read.
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Well, I think this is a fascinating book.
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And one thing I really love about it
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is that, people go, oh, Amazon.
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Well, you are only printing out books after
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they are ordered.
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So there is no waste of like printing
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20, 30, 40,000 books.
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I hope it sells 40,000, but if
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it doesn't, there's no trees that are gonna
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be killed and it's also available on Kindle.
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So why did you choose that?
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And to me, it's obvious, but maybe people
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don't understand because what it means is that
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no tree has to be cut down if
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somebody doesn't buy that book.
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Exactly.
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A lot of people ask me, so how
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many did you print?
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And I print zero because that's the beauty
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of it.
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So you upload your book on Amazon and
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basically it's print on demand.
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So once someone place an order, they will
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print the book and then they will ship
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it.
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So yeah, this is why I choose this
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system.
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Love it.
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So Carolyn, you have a new series on
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Unchained TV.
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We are so delighted to have you on
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Unchained TV.
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We're thrilled.
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It's dozens and dozens of recipes.
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You've got all the favourite foods, the burgers,
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the wings, the enchiladas.
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And you did that on purpose, right?
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Because people generally say I could never give
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up, blah, blah and you're saying they don't
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have to give that up.
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That's true.
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And that's been my mission ever since I
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started Healthy Voyager.
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I started my travel show in 2006 before
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social media even started.
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And in that, having been a chef, I
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thought, you know what?
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Let me start taking all these traditional foods
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that I'm trying all over the world and
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veganize them so that people who either travelled
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and didn't get to try that food or
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grew up eating some sort of traditional food,
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missed having that food, could enjoy it in
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their own homes and not have to sacrifice
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flavour.
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So I launched two, well now three cookbooks
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and the cooking show.
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And I feel like I've helped kind of
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push the movement forward to prove that vegan
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food is delicious, that eating ethnic international foods
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is easy to do in your own home,
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vegan style.
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So I'm really excited that you guys are
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airing my show on Unchained.
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Yeah, and your book is called Global Kitchen,
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150 Plant-Based Recipes from Around the World.
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Oh my gosh, just even thinking of 150
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plant-based recipes is enough to blow my
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mind.
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I really have to ask you, how did
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you become this chef extraordinaire?
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I started kind of teaching myself on my
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own in the early days and then I
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went to culinary school and then I just
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kind of mixed everything I grew up with
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as a kid, I'm Colombian and French.
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So everything I learned from my grandmas, I
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always loved being in the kitchen mixed with
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traditional culinary training.
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I just love veganizing.
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And that actually is the original book.
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I released the 10th anniversary edition and now
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it has 175 recipes.
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So this is the one that's available on
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Amazon now.
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The previous one is now, I think out
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of print.
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So this is the one you wanna look
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for.
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It's the same book, just updated and with
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more recipes.
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All right, well, we've already got a caller
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to question you about our question.
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Our greater question is, how are we doing
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when it comes to convincing the world that
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we don't need to kill animals for a
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purse, a jacket, shoes, chicken wings, or a
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burger?
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Neelofar in Dallas, Texas, your question or thought.
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Hi, this question is for Jonathan Ohayoun because
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you're from Belgium.
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If we assume that Western Europe is walking
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on the frontiers of veganism, are you guys
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considerably ahead of the US in terms of
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the vegan scene?
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Western Europe has a population of about 200
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million US.
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We are at a population of 335 million.
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If let's say we give the United States
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one star as far as the veganism scene,
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how many stars would you give to Europe?
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Thank you.
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Go ahead, Jonathan.
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I'm not sure I understood right the questions.
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So you're saying that- Let me just
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say this.
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I understood the question.
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United States is often behind Europe.
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We're behind when it comes to environmental protections,
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cruelty-free, cosmetics, all sorts of things.
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When it comes to the vegan movement in
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general, how far is Europe ahead of the
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United States?
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Yeah, it's funny because I see it a
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little differently.
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I actually think that the US is a
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little forward.
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We have so many vegan options, way more
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than in France from my perspectives.
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I think it's a fight.
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It depends what we talk about.
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If we talk about food, I think the
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US is way above the French.
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When you go to a restaurant or somewhere
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and you ask for vegan options, people know
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what you talk about.
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In France, they don't understand as much as
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in the US.
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That's my perspective.
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Regarding textile, yeah, there's more law in France,
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but the US is about the same.
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That's why people produce overseas.
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It's because, yeah, I think it's about the
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same.
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I wouldn't say that one is better than
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the other.
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Well, I will say this.
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Here in the United States, we have more
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protests.
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Now, there are a lot of protests in
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England.
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I'll give you that.
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And in fact, we profiled a group called
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Animal Rising, which does incredible protests.
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But we kind of take the cake for
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protests about fashion.
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I want to show you one or two
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that are pretty darn interesting.
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This one just happened a couple of days
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ago in New York City against Adidas for
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using kangaroo leather on shoes.
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Kangaroos are not shoes!
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Kangaroos are not shoes!
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Adidas.
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Stop killing kangaroos to make soccer cleats.
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Stop the torture, stop the pain.
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Adidas football is not good.
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Kangaroos are not shoes!
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So here they go.
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They may be trying to go into the
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store.
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Let's see, maybe some of them will get
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in.
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This is called a disruption when they go
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inside.
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Adidas football is not good.
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Kangaroos are not shoes.
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Stop the torture, stop the pain.
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Stop the torture.
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It's clear, kangaroos are not shoes.
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That's the message.
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We're the largest slaughter of land-based mammals
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in the entire world of kangaroos.
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One million kangaroos are gunned down in the
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dark of night and Adidas hunters steal their
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skin to make soccer shoes.
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Kangaroos are not shoes.
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If Nike, Puma, and New Balance can make
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the switch in 2023 for kangaroo skin to
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cruelty-free material, then so can Adidas.
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Kangaroos are not shoes.
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Stop the torture.
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There you go, a very intense protest.
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And I know that the head of Adidas
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has responded and said, we're not gonna respond
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to protests, but I have a feeling that
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that's primarily what these companies respond to is
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pressure campaigns.
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And by the way, Adidas is invited on
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any time.
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Thanks to Danny Rukin for providing that video.
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So, you know, that's one side of the
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equation.
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On the other side of the equation, when
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I just am out on the streets and
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I live here in LA, I was just
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in Washington, DC, I was just in New
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York City, and I look at people's feet,
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it used to be that everybody was wearing
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leather shoes.
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And now I see the vast majority of
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people are not wearing, in my opinion, I
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look at people's feet.
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I've done this for a while, it seems
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more and more people are wearing non-leather
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shoes as just an unintended consequence, not as
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a political statement, Jonathan.
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Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
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And that's what we need to do.
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We need to shift our mindset and stop
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to putting leather on a pedestal.
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Leather is horrible and we need alternatives.
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You can use amazing shoes made of organic
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cotton, organic hemp, and yeah, we don't need
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leather.
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And I find it funny how people, I
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mean, funny, it's not funny, but how people
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get offended and they get disgusted when we
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talk about kangaroo leather or dog leather, because
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it is something, it exists.
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And what about cow leather?
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What is the difference between a kangaroo and
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a cow?
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They are both beings.
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And yeah, I'm happy that this helps people
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to make the connection.
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But yeah, the next step is to make
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people realise that there's no difference between a
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kangaroo and a cow.
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Absolutely.
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We've got more callers lining up.
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Let's go to our callers.
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Lindsay in Tarzana, California, your question or thought
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for our fabulous panel.
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We've got Jonathan Ohio, author of the new
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book, The Fashion Industry Does Not Want You
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to Read This Book.
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And Carol Scott Hamilton, author of Healthy Voyager's
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Global Kitchen, a new edition just out, as
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well as a fabulous series on Unchained TV.
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What's your question?
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Question is more of a comment.
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I'm actually on the road, so hopefully you
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can hear me and I can hear you.
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I just wanted to say regarding the book
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about eating during travel, being able to have
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vegan food while travelling, I think that's an
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amazing, necessary thing for myself and many other
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vegans.
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I did have a question actually.
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Nike kind of caved very quickly, thankfully to
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the pressure campaign.
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Why do you think Adidas is resisting since
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you are an expert, you both are experts?
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I'd like to get your opinion on that.
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Jonathan.
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Thank you.
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Hey, I'm sorry it gets a little bit.
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What is the reason why Adidas is not
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responding the way Nike, Puma, and New Balance
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responded by stopping the kangaroo leather?
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Oh, I have no idea.
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Maybe we're not loud enough.
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It's, let's say, I think the problem is
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the educators are not educated.
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They keep buying goods that they probably don't
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know.
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It's kangaroo leather, because when you take the
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label, it doesn't say kangaroo leather.
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It say either genuine leather or okay leather.
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They might think it's a type of leather,
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but most of people, if we go on
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the street and we ask them, would you
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wear kangaroo leather?
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Most of them will say, oh no, this
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is horrible.
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I wouldn't.
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So yeah, again, I think it's the lack
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of education.
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We need to educate people and then people,
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meaning the consumers, are the one who will
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make this shift.
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Yes, very, very interesting.
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My theory is that they feel like they
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can get away with it.
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These companies, in my opinion, they only respond
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when it's, it's like a mathematical calculation.
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If it's costing them more in terms of
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their brand, in terms of their global image,
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in terms of dollars and cents to keep
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the kangaroo leather on because of all these
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protests, that's the ultimate reason when they will
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take it off.
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It's not like they're gonna have a change
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of heart or suddenly care about kangaroos.
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That's my humble opinion.
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I invite Adidas on anytime.
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And I also think when it gets personal,
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before any of these campaigns happen, organisations, including
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members of parliament from Australia have written letters
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politely urging these companies to stop, in this
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case, the largest slaughter of land-based wildlife
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in the world.
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And so it's not like people just wake
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up and start charging into stores.
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There's a whole thing that has happened prior
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to that where people are begging and pleading
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with people, these executives, to stop for environmental
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reasons.
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I mean, we have reduced wildlife biomass to
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4% of total mammal biomass on this
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planet while increasing livestock biomass to 62%.
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And if you think about that, what that
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means is that most animals, most living beings
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on this planet were born to be paged,
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tortured, and killed at a very young age.
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And there is something profoundly, morally, environmentally, and
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spiritually wrong with that fact.
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And we wonder why our lives are in
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such turmoil, our world is in such turmoil.
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I mean, my God.
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So it's not like people haven't asked nicely.
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They ask nicely, it just doesn't work.
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So I wanna get back to the other
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side of this equation.
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Fashion is very controversial right now, but so
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is food.
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And it doesn't have to be that way.
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Carolyn, I wanna play a video of one
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of your many, many cooking segments.
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And they offer a way to have all
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this comfort food that people say they can't
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live without, a healthier version with better ingredients
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that have better qualities, antioxidants, anti-inflammatories, perfect
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proteins, all the amino acids.
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It's a win-win-win.
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Hi guys, it's me, Carolyn Scott-Hamilton, and
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welcome to another episode of the Healthy Voyager's
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Global Kitchen.
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It's summer grillin' season, and we're making a
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buffalo black bean quinoa burger.
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Good general hot sauce for all sorts of
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things.
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All right, so we'll flip these guys over
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one more time just to seal in the
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flavour of this hot sauce on those.
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Yeah, grill it.
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Yeah, those are gonna, like the fun thing
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about using quinoa too when you're making a
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burger is that it gets crispy too and
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crunchy.
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Wow, look at that.
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Look at that, big mouth burger.
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Huge.
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That's good stuff.
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Now, okay, we'll see.
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The bread is really big here.
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All right.
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All right, you first.
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Mm, mm, really good.
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It's pretty good, huh?
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Yeah, I'm not kidding.
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I mean, you know, I mean, I'm not
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a vegan eater.
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Yeah.
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And this is really good.
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The spice is great, by the way.
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All right, Carolyn, here he is.
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He's not a vegan eater, but he loves
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the vegan food.
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What's your takeaway on that?
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Because the burger, I chose that because it's
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the ultimate.
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It's really the ultimate battleground when it comes
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to food is the burger.
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Yeah, I think that's a good gateway into
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the non-vegans, right?
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That and some kind of pasta dish.
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And I get that a lot, and I've
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been getting that for years.
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A majority of my followers aren't even vegan.
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And I love that I get comments all
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the time.
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Oh, wow, I never would have known this
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was vegan.
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Oh, I didn't know vegan could taste so
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delicious.
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I think, you know, there's still such a
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weird myth of like, you know, 70s health
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food, you know, of like dry, tasteless, nothing
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food.
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And we've come such a long way, not
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just with, you know, inventing cool alternatives or
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recipes, but all the alternatives that exist now
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for vegan meats, vegan cheeses, which is the
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one I get the most.
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Oh, I could never give up cheese.
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I'm like, you can.
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And now it's so easy.
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You know, back when I started, there was
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no such thing.
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I think we had Tofurella, which was terrible.
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And I thought to myself, well, I'll just
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have to give up cheese and make some
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kind of funky sauces, right?
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But now we have come so far and
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the amount of vegan cheeses and alternatives are
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just mind blowing.
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And this is worldwide.
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And it's funny that you guys were talking
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about in Europe.
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When I'm in Europe, the amount of vegan
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options at restaurants, as well as in the
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markets are just astounding.
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I'm so excited to see the constant growth
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in that space.
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I agree.
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It's funny because Jonathan, you're from France and
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I haven't been to France for a while.
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And when I was there years ago, I
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think it was like 2012, there were no
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vegan options that I could find.
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But I've heard that that's changed.
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Now, when I went to Berlin and on
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Unshamed TV, we have an entire mini doc
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on vegan Berlin.
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It was so vegan that I actually had
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to stop videotaping because we couldn't get a
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couple of blocks.
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The same thing for London.
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So it really depends just like in the
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United States, there's Texas and then there's LA.
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It depends on where you are in Europe.
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We've got another caller, Paige from Los Angeles,
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your question or thought for our fabulous panel.
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Paige.
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Hello.
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Yes, Paige, your question or thought.
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Thank you.
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I'm sorry.
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Yes, great.
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Hi, thank you.
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I know we were talking about food and
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cheese here, but I wanted to circle back
21:37
to Jonathan's book, which I have in my
21:38
hand.
21:39
Incredible.
21:40
And one thing I've noticed is there's so
21:43
much conversation about the greenwashing, right?
21:46
As well as vintage, retro, transparent, zero waste,
21:50
all these terms, these buzzwords and terms, it
21:53
kind of gets confusing.
21:54
Where do you shop?
21:56
How do you shop?
21:57
And then also, I know I brought this
21:59
up when we were in person, wool.
22:02
A lot of people come up to me
22:03
at the LA Fashion, the LA Fur Vigils
22:06
that we hold, with the signs that say,
22:08
I am not wool, which are the sheep.
22:12
Can you please advise us the best way
22:15
to answer that question of, is it wool
22:18
ethical?
22:20
Great question.
22:21
Jonathan.
22:22
Yeah, it's not ethical at all, especially nowadays.
22:27
Basically before, the wool were having their hair
22:31
growing during the winter to protect from the
22:34
cold.
22:35
And when the summer arrived, the wool will
22:39
naturally fall, which is normal.
22:43
But now they genetically choose them to breed
22:47
them into this kind of sheep that have
22:51
wool that keep growing and never stop growing.
22:54
And so like that, they can produce more.
22:57
The way they shred them is horrible.
23:00
You can Google it, you will see there's
23:01
so many horrible videos about this, because they
23:03
don't get paid per sheep, but they get
23:07
paid per hour, but per sheep.
23:10
So the more sheep they can have, the
23:13
more wool they can have per day, the
23:17
more they're gonna make money.
23:18
So that's why they go super fast.
23:20
The sheep are very scared.
23:22
But that's not only that, it's their entire
23:24
life that is suffering.
23:25
They have to do a nose sling, which
23:28
is basically cutting a piece of the tail
23:30
so they don't get infected.
23:33
They do it without anaesthesia.
23:35
And one of the worst thing I ever
23:37
watched is what they call the dipping.
23:40
So there's a cage where you can have
23:42
maybe 10 sheep.
23:43
They're gonna put 15 to 20 sheep inside.
23:45
So they are compacting this cage.
23:47
And this cage will slow being totally submerged
23:51
in a pool of pesticides.
23:53
And this is to kill all the flea
23:54
and all the little insects that can be
23:57
on them.
23:57
And they are inside this pool, completely submerged
24:00
for like 10, 20 seconds, and then it
24:03
goes up slowly.
24:04
So it's a lot of horrible practises like
24:07
that that they have.
24:08
And yeah, definitely wool is horrible, especially you
24:12
have so many alternatives.
24:13
You have organic cotton.
24:15
You're asking where you can find those.
24:17
There's many places online.
24:19
There's a marketplace that actually I'm gonna start
24:22
helping them to develop in US called Shop
24:25
Like Give Them.
24:26
Yeah, on fakemovement as well, fakemovement.com.
24:29
But yeah, the marketplace shop like you give
24:31
them, you have, I think, hundreds of brands
24:35
already inside from Europe, US, from everywhere.
24:39
So yeah, you can find solution easily online.
24:43
All right, wonderful.
24:45
We're gonna go to our next caller, Tiffany
24:47
in Los Angeles.
24:49
Your question or thought for our fabulous panel.
24:52
Where are we when it comes to the
24:53
vegan movement in food and fashion?
24:56
Thank you, Jane, for taking my call.
24:59
And Carolyn, it looks like lunchtime and you're
25:03
showing these beautiful burgers.
25:05
And Jonathan, I'm excited to order both of
25:08
your books.
25:08
And I was wondering how, all right, do
25:11
you have a background in fashion or what
25:14
was your inspiration for this book?
25:16
Was there an incident or something that happened?
25:20
Yeah, so all my life I was into
25:24
fashion.
25:25
Both my grandfather and grandmother were tailor.
25:28
They had their own store.
25:30
They even used to sell fur.
25:32
They were teaching me how to recognise real
25:35
fur from fake fur.
25:36
They even had fur made of cats, like
25:39
crazy, but it was like very long time
25:41
ago.
25:42
And also since I'm a kid, I'm working
25:44
with my dad on the street market, selling
25:47
bags, selling gloves.
25:50
So I've always been around this entrepreneur fashion
25:54
life.
25:55
And recently, I mean, recently, 10 years ago,
25:59
when I became vegan, with me, my dad
26:03
and my brother, we built a brand called
26:05
Arsayo.
26:06
It's a backpack brand and we try to
26:09
always make it as sustainable as possible.
26:13
It was vegan already, but we wanted to
26:14
be more and more ethical every time.
26:16
So we tried new alternatives and I created
26:19
the fake movement, which stands for fashion for
26:21
animal kingdom and environment out of necessity because
26:25
I couldn't find places where I could probably
26:27
showcase the backpack that we created.
26:33
And yeah, that's how everything started.
26:34
I create ethical fashion pop-ups.
26:37
Then we had a vegan fashion museum.
26:39
We had fashion show all over the world
26:41
in Tel Aviv, Los Angeles, Paris.
26:44
And yeah, that's how I realised that the
26:46
biggest gap in the fashion industry was education.
26:51
And I realised I have to write this
26:53
book.
26:53
I did it out of necessity.
26:55
I never see myself as an author.
26:57
It was just that we need a book
27:00
like that.
27:00
So that's how I did it.
27:02
And can you get the, people wanna know
27:04
where can they get the backpack?
27:05
Can they get it?
27:07
It's a cork backpack because I have it
27:10
and it's fabulous.
27:11
Can they get it on savemovement.com, fakemovement
27:15
.com?
27:16
Yes, you can find it there or directly
27:18
on the website, arsayo.com, A-R-S
27:21
-A-Y-O.
27:22
And we have different, we have a synthetic,
27:25
we have cork, we have apple leather, we
27:27
have different fabric.
27:29
Of course, cork being for me the best
27:32
as well as apple leather.
27:33
But yeah, we have different style, different fabric,
27:36
different pricing, so yeah.
27:38
Yeah, well, I have it again, the cork.
27:41
And at first when I got it, I
27:43
thought, let's see how long this lasts, right?
27:46
Brainwashing, conditioning, it is the sturdiest.
27:49
I have thrown it around, it's gotten stomped
27:52
on and the cork is just, it's immutable.
27:56
And it's a beautiful bag, keeps the colour,
27:58
keeps the shape.
27:59
It's really, really amazing.
28:01
I just wanna talk a little bit about
28:03
what you said, is that here we are
28:05
in the 21st century.
28:07
You know, we're talking about putting people on
28:08
Mars.
28:09
We're talking about driverless cars.
28:11
We're talking about artificial intelligence.
28:13
We're talking about robots that are gonna replace
28:16
humans.
28:17
And yet somehow we still can't get our
28:19
head around the idea that, hey, you don't
28:22
need to kill a cow to have a
28:23
frigging purse.
28:24
And this was New York Fashion Week and
28:27
Anna Wintour and all sorts of fashionistas were
28:30
there as animal activists took over the runway
28:34
and they paraded proudly until they were tackled.
28:39
You'll see that in a second, but their
28:40
message is, leather kills.
28:43
Coach, leather kills.
28:45
We invite coach on anytime.
28:47
But you know, it doesn't take a brain
28:48
surgeon to know that, hey, if you're gonna
28:50
have a product with leather, an animal died.
28:53
And yet it seems like while we embrace
28:57
all the modern conveniences, you know, and I'm
29:01
asking things on chat GPT now, you know,
29:03
whip up a recipe.
29:04
There she is getting tackled.
29:06
The amazing activist, Jamie Logan.
29:08
Yep.
29:09
But it's somehow all these fashionistas and these
29:11
people are taking private planes and oh my
29:14
gosh, using artificial intelligence and embracing robots.
29:17
They can't get their new guns around the
29:20
concept that you don't have to kill a
29:22
cow or a kangaroo or any of animal
29:27
to have a frigging purse or shoes.
29:30
You know, I don't, you're nodding your head,
29:33
Carolyn.
29:33
I know you're in the food space, but
29:34
what is this cognitive dissonance that doesn't wanna
29:38
go away?
29:39
Well, it's funny.
29:40
I was thinking about a conversation I had
29:41
with a friend years ago.
29:43
And I remember her saying, well, since they
29:47
have to kill the cow for meat anyway,
29:49
they may as well use the leather.
29:50
I said, no, no, no, no.
29:51
Those are two completely different factories.
29:55
They have animals just for leather and they
29:58
have animals just for meat.
29:59
And it blew her mind.
30:01
I said, no, it's not like none of
30:04
the animal goes to waste.
30:05
That's not how it works.
30:07
It's totally different.
30:08
She's like, oh, and I think that's the
30:10
thing.
30:10
I think people don't realise that it's a
30:14
completely separate animal, literally, that's being used for
30:18
fashion versus meat, which shouldn't be used at
30:21
all.
30:22
But I think people are thinking, well, they're
30:24
using them for food anyway.
30:26
They may as well use their skin.
30:27
I'm like, that's totally not how it works.
30:30
And I think that's what it is.
30:31
People just don't connect those dots.
30:34
Yeah, I mean, people tell themselves fairy tales,
30:37
but for what?
30:38
Do they tell themselves?
30:40
I mean, I'm actually astounded at the rapidity
30:43
with which the artificial intelligence technology has been
30:48
embraced.
30:49
I mean, literally people that I think can't
30:51
even figure out how to programme their television
30:56
are working with artificial intelligence.
30:59
No problem, no problem.
31:02
Well, why is it so difficult to figure
31:04
out that you can have a beautiful, sustainable
31:06
purse without killing an animal?
31:09
And there's the status too.
31:11
I wanna talk about that in a second,
31:13
but we've got, I believe, another caller, Annie,
31:16
in Sherman Oaks, your question, who thought?
31:18
Annie just dropped off, I'll let you know
31:19
if she calls back.
31:19
Oh, she dropped off, okay.
31:21
Well, I wanna get to this point, and
31:23
that is status.
31:24
I was recently going to the Vegan Women's
31:28
Summit, and I decided to get a cup
31:30
of coffee, and I normally don't shop in
31:33
fancy stores at all, right?
31:35
I don't really shop in stores much at
31:37
all.
31:37
But I went in because I was killing
31:40
time, and I saw all these fashionable stores
31:43
right in West Hollywood, like the hipster Ground
31:46
Zero, and there's cashmere, and there's leather, and
31:51
there's all these things, and I realised they're
31:53
still status symbols.
31:56
Oh my God, how, you know, because vegan
31:59
leather, love him or hate him, I know
32:02
he's extremely controversial, and he's torturing monkeys, according
32:07
to a lot of complaints with his Neuralink
32:11
company, and he's invited, Elon Musk, I would
32:13
love to talk to you, please come on.
32:16
But he did make vegan leather fashionable in
32:20
cars, and I thought that was incredible.
32:23
I thought that was a huge leap for
32:26
humanity that suddenly vegan leather was a status
32:30
symbol.
32:32
So far, a cry from when I bought
32:34
a car and tried to beg people to
32:36
put vegan leather in it so it didn't
32:37
have real leather, and basically I got a
32:41
car that wasn't very well made as a
32:43
result, but you know, there seems to be
32:47
a divergence.
32:48
In some areas, vegan leather and sustainable materials
32:54
are becoming super hip, but yet there's still
32:56
this old school kind of, I would say
33:00
19th century mentality that equates dead animals with
33:04
status, Jonathan.
33:06
Yeah, I think the number one mistake people
33:09
make as well with leather is to see
33:11
it as a by-product.
33:12
Leather is not a by-product, it's what
33:14
we call a co-product.
33:16
So when you call it a by-product,
33:18
you feel like, oh, instead of wasting this,
33:21
we should use it and wear it because
33:23
it's better for the environment, it's better for
33:25
the planet, but it's not this at all.
33:28
A by-product will be to actually, once
33:31
you remove the skin, to put it directly
33:33
on you, which is impossible because it's gonna
33:35
rot, it's gonna smell, it's gonna be horrible.
33:37
So it has to go through a whole
33:39
process.
33:40
We call it tanning, is to make sure
33:42
that it doesn't biodegrade anymore.
33:45
We use horrible chemicals that are made to
33:47
burn the hair, to bleach the colour, to
33:49
make it completely flat and so it won't
33:53
biodegrade.
33:54
So this makes it a co-product.
33:56
I love to talk about cotton, for example,
33:59
to give the understanding of the difference between
34:02
by-product and co-product.
34:04
When you harvest cotton, you are left with
34:06
the cotton seeds.
34:08
If you use these cotton seeds and you
34:09
sell it, you can sell it as a
34:11
by-product.
34:12
But if you crunch it and you modify
34:14
it to make cotton seed oil, this becomes
34:17
a co-product because there's a whole production
34:19
behind.
34:20
And that's what's happening with leather.
34:21
It's a co-product, which means that it's
34:24
a brand new product on its own.
34:26
And it's one, I mean, not one of
34:28
the most, it's the most horrible product for
34:31
the environment.
34:33
They usually produce it overseas because producing this
34:37
with chromium and all these chemicals create a
34:40
lot of waste water.
34:41
And it's very hard to recycle this water,
34:43
especially with the low you have in Europe
34:46
and the US.
34:47
So they produce overseas.
34:48
So then they can just dump this water
34:50
on the river because there's no low where
34:53
they produce it.
34:54
And you have kids that are playing in
34:56
those river that are fishing, that are depending
34:59
on those resources on this water.
35:02
And they just throw all these chemicals in
35:04
this water.
35:05
So people don't realise the impact that the
35:09
leather has on their environment.
35:10
And I think if they do, again, I
35:12
go back to this, to the education.
35:14
If they knew what is the impact of
35:16
the leather, I don't think they will want
35:18
to wear that.
35:20
They will realise- Yeah, but I remember
35:21
talking to this so-called environmentalist, top environmentalist
35:26
when I was in New York and media.
35:27
And I looked down and she had like
35:29
a Birkin bag or one of those status
35:32
bags.
35:32
And I thought, you know what?
35:36
You're playing both sides of the fence here,
35:38
lady.
35:39
Either you're an environmentalist or you're a status
35:42
seeking, low self-esteem queen.
35:46
You gotta choose one.
35:47
You can't be both.
35:49
All right, we've got some more callers.
35:51
Annie in Sherman Oaks, quick question or thought.
35:55
Oh, hi, yes.
35:56
Thank you for having this so, Jane.
35:58
And oh, Jonathan, you're awesome.
36:00
And Carolyn, oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
36:03
The books and what you're doing, amazing, amazing.
36:06
The chemicals, can you tell a little more
36:09
about it?
36:09
That was something that I wanted to address.
36:11
You read my mind, Jonathan.
36:13
People don't seem to understand that how much
36:15
of this chemical is dangerous for even the
36:17
people that are, they don't understand that these
36:20
industries are oppressing humans as well as the
36:23
animals and the environment.
36:24
Everything is going in our soil, water, and
36:26
air.
36:27
And we do protest urban outfitters of the
36:30
kangaroos or we organise all this, H&M.
36:33
I mean, they're all, it's so prominent, it's
36:36
disgusting.
36:38
So, you know, how- All right, thank
36:39
you.
36:40
Okay, we're gonna get you to answer the
36:42
question, Jonathan.
36:48
Yeah, it's chemicals that go into the water.
36:51
And Annie's point is that if you're an
36:53
environmentalist, if you care about marginalised communities, this
36:58
chemical-filled water is not going into the
37:01
sewers in Beverly Hills.
37:03
There's no slaughterhouses in Beverly Hills or on
37:06
Park Avenue.
37:08
And this is what the other thing I
37:09
don't get is that it's hurting the very
37:13
people that a lot of the folks who
37:15
use these products purport to wanna help.
37:19
Yeah, I actually, in the book, I put
37:22
a list of 50 chemicals, the most common
37:26
used in the leather industry, but you can
37:28
have- Basically, when they tan the leather,
37:31
they do their own recipe.
37:33
So each tanning factory have their own recipe.
37:37
So you can have anywhere between 50 to
37:39
250 different chemicals.
37:42
And those chemicals, of course, are horrible.
37:44
The worst of them is chromium.
37:45
So some people tell you, but it's okay,
37:47
they use chromium-3 because chromium-3, it's
37:50
actually an oligo element that is good for
37:52
the humans.
37:52
But what they don't tell you is that
37:54
once you go through the process and you
37:56
get heated, it becomes chromium-6, which is
37:59
extremely carcinogenic.
38:01
In those countries, you can see they have
38:02
their hands that is completely bleached.
38:05
They have a problem of asthma, of many
38:08
different diseases.
38:09
They die very young.
38:10
At 30 years old, they get disease that
38:14
make them dead.
38:16
There's many documentary about this.
38:18
And yeah, also for us, when we wear
38:21
it, there was this other documentary where this
38:24
guy in the shipping, he's taking all the
38:28
container to see the level of chromium in,
38:33
I mean, chromium and other different chemicals in
38:35
the container.
38:36
And he explained that there's not enough people
38:38
to check that.
38:39
So 99% of the container just come
38:42
in the country.
38:43
They cannot check them.
38:44
So you have a lot of chromium everywhere
38:48
and you wear that on you.
38:50
And then this can affect you as well.
38:53
And it has been proved.
38:54
There's many study as well.
38:55
I talk about it in the book.
38:57
But yeah.
38:59
I mean, you're scaring the wits out of
39:01
me, but I'm not that scared because I'm
39:02
not wearing leather.
39:03
I'm not wearing fur.
39:05
I'm not wearing cashmere.
39:06
I'm not wearing silk.
39:08
And guess what?
39:08
Here I am, okay?
39:10
I'm surviving just fine, thank you.
39:12
And actually saving a heck of a lot
39:13
of money.
39:14
That's one thing.
39:15
Being an environmentally conscious consumer means consuming less
39:19
and it saves you money.
39:22
I wanna talk to you about how you
39:24
also try to, Carolyn, approach people from the
39:29
standpoint of tradition.
39:30
Because tradition is one of the biggest excuses
39:34
that people use to validate their, I would
39:40
call it sometimes mediaeval choices.
39:41
Let's look at another quick clip of one
39:44
of your amazing recipes, now streaming on Unshade
39:46
TV, and we'll get you on the other
39:48
side.
39:51
Hey guys, it's me, Carolyn Scott Hamilton, the
39:53
Healthy Voyager.
39:54
And welcome to another holiday edition of the
39:56
Healthy Voyager's Global Kitchen.
39:58
Today, we're making a vegan shepherd's pie.
40:00
And it's perfect for this time of year
40:02
because you can make it ahead of time.
40:04
You can put it in the freezer.
40:05
It's nice and crispy and golden brown.
40:07
The potatoes are a little bit of the
40:09
sauce bubbled up.
40:10
That's all right.
40:10
It just makes it pretty.
40:12
So we're gonna serve some up so you
40:14
can see how nice it looks once you've
40:18
gotten it out.
40:20
And it's shepherd's pie.
40:21
It's not like lasagna or anything like that.
40:23
So it can be a little messy to
40:25
get out, but we will do our best.
40:28
But that's kind of the fun part of
40:29
shepherd's pie.
40:30
All right.
40:32
Wow, that made me hungry.
40:35
I don't think there's anything more traditional than
40:37
shepherd's pie.
40:37
It makes me wanna have an Irish accent.
40:40
I am half Irish, so I can do
40:41
that.
40:42
All right.
40:43
So Carolyn, what's this hang up that people
40:47
have with tradition?
40:49
Actually using it as a cudgel.
40:51
I'm often reminding people that the first fast
40:56
food hamburger, the first cheeseburger was invented in
40:59
1920.
41:00
Take it away.
41:02
Yeah, I think we're just programmed and most
41:06
people are programmed to believe that the way
41:10
things have always been is as they should
41:12
be.
41:13
But if that were the case, we'd all
41:15
still be living in caves.
41:16
So progress is the thing here, right?
41:20
We wanna move forward.
41:21
We wanna learn.
41:22
We wanna grow.
41:23
And tradition is the excuse that people use
41:26
for so many things.
41:27
Being Hispanic, I would get that a lot
41:30
early on in my vegan days.
41:32
Like, oh, well, what do you do being
41:34
vegan with your family?
41:36
I'm like, I'll cook my own stuff or
41:38
I'll cook for them.
41:40
And it's grown so much that my family
41:42
is now vegan.
41:43
My mom, my dad, a couple of cousins
41:45
and their children.
41:46
I actually have another cookbook that just came
41:49
out.
41:50
This one, it's all about Latin American vegan
41:53
recipes.
41:54
So it's a bunch of different Latin American
41:56
countries.
41:57
And you know- What's it called?
41:59
Put it right in the camera.
42:00
Want people to see it so they can
42:02
get it.
42:02
Cause this really interests me.
42:04
Latin American, the healthy voyage.
42:07
This is out just now.
42:09
You are very prolific.
42:10
I have to say, it's hard to keep
42:12
up with you.
42:13
I was gonna interview you and I'm like
42:15
exhausted just coming up with all the incredible
42:19
achievements that you have.
42:20
All the cookbooks, all the cooking episodes.
42:23
You know, when you agreed to send me
42:25
some episodes and I was so thrilled.
42:27
And then I got like 40 of them.
42:29
I'm like, wow!
42:30
This woman really knows how to cook.
42:33
So yeah, I don't buy the tradition argument.
42:36
I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.
42:40
And even when it comes to, let's say,
42:42
the Latin culture in general, which is so
42:45
many different cultures.
42:46
And that's one of my things.
42:48
I'm Puerto Rican and Irish.
42:49
Puerto Rican culture is so different than the
42:51
Mexican culture.
42:52
That's different from the Cuban culture, the Argentinian
42:54
culture, on and on and on.
42:56
Different foods, et cetera.
42:57
But there is a growing vegan movement within
43:00
all of those countries.
43:02
And I've been told Mexico City has something
43:05
like 90 vegan restaurants and it's a hotbed
43:08
of veganism.
43:09
Absolutely, yeah.
43:11
I eat so well in Mexico.
43:13
Some of the best chefs in the world
43:15
exist in Mexico and vegan or not, they
43:18
know how to cook vegan food and really
43:21
celebrate plants and just make it so beautiful.
43:24
And in Colombia, where I'm from, it's become
43:26
quite a big deal, especially in the bigger
43:28
cities like Bogota and like Cartagena, Medellin for
43:32
sure.
43:34
Yeah, but all over the world, I've seen
43:36
such a huge, huge movement.
43:40
So I think as time kind of trudges
43:44
on, we're gonna see the excuse of tradition
43:47
go by the wayside because I've veganized pretty
43:52
much everything that I grew up with, foods
43:55
that I loved.
43:57
And in all the countries that I've been
44:00
to, and I've been to 140 countries now,
44:03
I have been able to enjoy their traditional
44:06
foods in a vegan way.
44:09
So that excuse I think is gonna die
44:11
off fairly quickly, I hope.
44:13
All right, we've got still more callers.
44:16
This is a hot topic.
44:18
Michael in Los Angeles, your question or thought?
44:21
Oh, hi everyone.
44:23
Thanks so much for taking my call.
44:25
Yeah, this question is for Carolyn.
44:27
I was wondering, in all your travels, what
44:30
do you consider to be the most vegan
44:32
-friendly cities in the world?
44:35
Thank you.
44:36
Well, definitely Europe takes the cake.
44:40
Anywhere in Germany, like Jane said earlier, Berlin
44:43
is like vegan Mecca.
44:45
And all over Germany, they're so progressive when
44:48
it comes to vegan.
44:48
A lot of Scandinavian countries, like wow, like
44:52
Stockholm had amazing vegan options and gourmet, beautiful
44:56
foods.
44:57
France is definitely becoming vegan, like Jane said
45:00
earlier as well.
45:01
London, it's very easy.
45:03
And Southeast Asia, and yes, Mexico.
45:07
So all over the world, it's popping up,
45:10
but I think my favourite places to find
45:13
great vegan food are Germany, Mexico, and Scandinavia.
45:18
And Southeast Asia.
45:20
Yeah, well, again, Berlin, it blew my mind.
45:25
The gourmet, the five-star, the vegan supermarket,
45:30
it was just so vegan.
45:32
It was shocking in a good way.
45:35
One more caller, Michelle in Los Angeles, your
45:38
question or thought?
45:40
Hi guys.
45:42
Well, my question is both for Carolyn and
45:44
Jonathan.
45:45
How do we reinforce that vegan food is
45:49
delicious and beautiful as well as vegan fashion?
45:54
I talked to Kip Anderson at the Christ
45:56
Thirsty premiere, and he's wearing this gorgeous leather,
46:00
non-leather jacket, and he's like, this is
46:02
luxury.
46:03
And I think that's the perception that we
46:05
have to get across that it's compassionate and
46:09
it's luxurious and it's beautiful and the food
46:11
is amazing.
46:13
How do we change people's perceptions?
46:17
Jonathan, you wanna start?
46:18
That's the $24,000 question.
46:22
I think, again, I'm sorry I'm gonna repeat
46:25
myself again, but I think it's all about
46:27
education.
46:28
It's understanding how horrible leather industry, wool industry,
46:33
silk industry, all these industry are horrible and
46:36
how good it is to have vegan alternatives
46:38
for the environment, for the planet, for our
46:40
health, for the humans, for everyone.
46:43
So I will say again, I'm sorry I
46:46
repeat myself, but education is the number one.
46:50
Yeah, well, education, people say education.
46:53
We've got 8.1 billion human beings.
46:57
So the reason I started Unchained TV, which
46:59
is a 501c3 nonprofit, by the way, feel
47:02
free to donate, become a monthly donor.
47:04
We rely on monthly donors to sustain us,
47:07
but it's because we don't have time to
47:10
educate everybody one-on-one.
47:12
We're running out of time.
47:15
There's only nine boundaries.
47:17
And that's not me saying that, that's Sir
47:18
David Attenborough, who has a documentary called Breaking
47:21
Boundaries.
47:22
And there's nine boundaries, once we cross them,
47:26
there's no going back and our planet is
47:28
gonna become unlivable.
47:30
And we were already bursting through six of
47:32
them.
47:32
And one of them is wildlife extinction.
47:35
Again, we've reduced wildlife down to just 4
47:37
% of total mammal biomass.
47:39
And it's because they're killing kangaroos in Australia.
47:43
It's because people leave poison traps out here
47:46
where I live in LA, which I would
47:48
love to see be illegal.
47:49
And then, you know, it just goes right
47:51
up the food chain while we're simultaneously trying
47:54
to save the hawks and the owls and
47:57
all these animals.
47:58
And they're dying because people wanna use poison
48:02
when there are other solutions.
48:05
Okay, I had mice in my apartment.
48:06
I had it sealed.
48:08
I brought people in who sealed the entire
48:10
thing.
48:12
No more mice.
48:13
We didn't have to kill any mice to
48:15
make that happen.
48:16
And don't get me started.
48:19
We've only got a couple of seconds.
48:20
It's your turn, Carolyn, to answer that question.
48:23
I think that the vegan movement has crossed
48:27
the line of being kind of fringe to
48:30
cool.
48:31
Vegan restaurants, vegan fashion, vegan celebrities, I think
48:35
all of this becoming the new school of
48:38
what's cool is what's changing minds.
48:42
Regular restaurants, you know, mainstream restaurants, having vegan
48:46
options, just the insane amount of how much
48:50
I hear vegan, vegan, vegan in every aspect
48:53
of my life, from food to fashion to
48:55
celebrities.
48:56
I think that's what needs to keep happening,
48:59
proving that it's cool.
49:00
And it's not just some fringe hippie thing
49:02
from, you know, 30 years ago.
49:04
Oh, I agree with you entirely.
49:06
And, you know, one of the reasons we're
49:08
doing this today is that The Guardian, which
49:10
is a very, very respectable, journalistic organisation that
49:15
happens to be independent.
49:17
So it's not beholden to its advertisers.
49:19
So it does a lot of articles that
49:21
you don't see in other mainstream media that,
49:25
well, look at their commercials, meat, dairy, and
49:27
pharmaceuticals.
49:28
They're not gonna cover this stuff.
49:29
And The Guardian reported that the meat industry
49:31
has a ginormous like Pentagon slash newsroom style
49:37
facility in Colorado, where they send out negative
49:41
stuff about veganism and they try to make
49:43
it sound unhealthy.
49:45
And they try to, and this is 24
49:47
seven, 365.
49:49
And they also have something called a Masters
49:51
in Beef Advocacy, where they train all these
49:54
social media people to go out and advocate
49:57
for meat.
49:58
That's one of the reasons why you're seeing
50:00
nasty articles popping up where quote unquote mainstream
50:05
writers are attacking veganism because look, I was
50:08
in media for 38 years.
50:12
These things happen in waves, they happen in
50:15
trends and people don't do the kind of
50:16
fact-checking they should.
50:18
For example, they talk about some vegan burgers
50:22
being processed.
50:23
Well, first of all, there's not all processes
50:26
created equal because processed meat is officially cancer
50:31
causing.
50:32
According to the World Health Organisation, processed vegetables
50:35
are not officially cancer causing at all, they're
50:38
in fact good for you.
50:40
So if you took a mango and a
50:41
banana and stuck it in a smoothie machine,
50:44
that would be processed.
50:45
That doesn't mean it's unhealthy for you.
50:47
But they're twisting, they're using terminology to try
50:53
to scare people off because we are growing
50:55
so fast.
50:56
So we only have a couple of minutes.
50:59
I wanna get final thoughts from each of
51:01
you.
51:03
Yes, we've come far, but how do we
51:05
get over the finish line to hit the
51:08
tipping point?
51:08
Because we are running out of time.
51:11
Jonathan, Jonathan.
51:17
Again, I say to Caroline, can you hear
51:20
me?
51:21
Sorry, my reception is a little bad.
51:22
I'm gonna start with Caroline, you broke up
51:23
a little bit.
51:24
Let me start with Caroline, see if your
51:25
signal gets better.
51:27
Go ahead, Caroline.
51:28
I've always been an advocate for leading by
51:30
example.
51:31
Having been vegan for so long, showing that
51:35
I can travel the world, I can have
51:37
fun with my friends and have a social
51:38
life and do all the things that everyone
51:40
else does normally as a vegan, I think
51:45
has been proof positive for now almost three
51:47
decades that people are starting to realise that
51:51
it's not difficult and that you're not gonna
51:54
lose your social life because of it.
51:55
And if we continue to be positive and
51:58
showcase the best of veganism, I think that's
52:01
gonna continue to push it forward.
52:03
Very well said.
52:04
Jonathan, we're back to you.
52:06
Yeah, can you hear me?
52:08
Good.
52:08
Yes.
52:09
Yeah, like I was saying, education, but the
52:12
next step of education is then to educate
52:14
others, to become an activist.
52:16
And activist doesn't mean to scream at people,
52:21
it's just to be active and to talk
52:24
to people, to educate them, to plant seeds,
52:26
to if they already have seeds, to just
52:28
put some water and make sure that this
52:30
grow in people's mind and yeah, help people
52:35
to understand the ramification of their choice.
52:39
Well, I end with this video of the
52:42
New York Fashion Week Coach Runway Show being
52:45
disrupted by advocates who are trying to educate.
52:50
This wasn't violent.
52:51
In fact, they themselves were tackled very roughly
52:55
at the very end, at least the one
52:57
holding the sign, Jamie Logan.
52:59
But this is what you would call nonviolent
53:03
confrontation to let people know, it's like, there
53:09
she gets, oh, look, there she goes, there
53:11
she goes, there she goes, right?
53:13
It's like, if you could just tell people,
53:17
here's the reality, the killing of animals is
53:21
destroying the environment.
53:23
It's terrible for the people who are forced
53:25
to do the killing or the tanning.
53:27
It's terrible for people who have to live
53:29
next to slaughterhouses or factory farms.
53:32
It's also terrible for your health when it
53:35
comes to eating or wearing it.
53:37
It's terrible for the environment because it's a
53:40
leading cause of climate change, the deforestation, the
53:45
wildlife extinction, the habitat destruction, the human world
53:48
hunger, because we're feeding a huge percentage of
53:52
the food that we produce, not to people
53:54
who are starving, but to cows.
53:56
Most people don't know the majority, the vast
53:59
majority of soybeans produced is fed to farmed
54:01
animals.
54:02
So we tell people these facts when they
54:05
don't listen, then you do the protest.
54:08
But I don't have the answer.
54:11
If I had the answer to what is
54:13
going to change people, I would reveal it.
54:16
I think there's many, many, many answers depending
54:19
on who those people are.
54:21
We have to really throw all this against
54:24
the wall and see what sticks.
54:26
Different people are gonna respond to health.
54:28
Different people will respond to the environmental issue.