Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 931: Foundations - Big Velvet Bucks and Home Range Realities
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host,
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:22Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your
- 0:24Speaker 2: house Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about the
- 0:26Speaker 2: bucks that are around right now and if they'll still
- 0:29Speaker 2: be there in another.
- 0:30Speaker 3: Month or two. Absolutely.
- 0:34Speaker 2: Now, we think we know a lot about big bucks,
- 0:36Speaker 2: but quite a bit of our knowledge was handed to
- 0:38Speaker 2: us by someone else. That's secondary source type of stuff.
- 0:41Speaker 2: And I talk about it all the time on here,
- 0:43Speaker 2: and I'm going to talk about it more here. But really,
- 0:45Speaker 2: what this episode is really about are the big seasonal
- 0:48Speaker 2: movements and excursions that all deer take from their home ranges.
- 0:52Speaker 3: Why that matters to you right now?
- 0:55Speaker 2: The hit list you build in August might be full
- 0:57Speaker 2: of ghosts, or it might be full of bucks that
- 0:59Speaker 2: will be in play all season. To figure out what
- 1:01Speaker 2: you're dealing with, you have to understand where, when, how far,
- 1:05Speaker 2: and how often Big bucks just up and leave your neighborhood.
- 1:08Speaker 2: That's what I'm going to cover right now. When I
- 1:16Speaker 2: think about what I don't know about deer behavior, it
- 1:19Speaker 2: makes me almost want to quit hunting. I think a
- 1:22Speaker 2: good way to frame this up is to consider one
- 1:24Speaker 2: of my favorite topics dogs. I recently did an episode
- 1:28Speaker 2: of Houndations over on the cal of the Wild feed
- 1:30Speaker 2: called The Dark Side of Domestic Dogs, and in it
- 1:33Speaker 2: I talked about the ways in which we think about
- 1:35Speaker 2: our furry besties and the ways in which they can
- 1:38Speaker 2: surprise us by well being actual canines. Now, I know
- 1:43Speaker 2: they are domestic, but that doesn't mean they are just
- 1:45Speaker 2: couch potatoes and lap dogs. When a house dog like
- 1:48Speaker 2: a lab does something odd of character like rip a
- 1:50Speaker 2: new born fawn in half at the edge of your yard,
- 1:53Speaker 2: like exactly what happened to a woman I know the spring,
- 1:56Speaker 2: it can shake up your worldview. We think we know
- 1:59Speaker 2: our dog. We do, and we don't. We spend every
- 2:02Speaker 2: day with them, or at least a hell of a
- 2:04Speaker 2: lot of days every year with them. We witness their behaviors,
- 2:08Speaker 2: we shape their behaviors through training and conditioning well hopefully anyway,
- 2:13Speaker 2: and we have them all dialed in our heads, but
- 2:16Speaker 2: we don't. And all it takes is one encounter with
- 2:18Speaker 2: a wobbly legged Bambie, or maybe one chance interaction with
- 2:22Speaker 2: a dog or a person they really don't like for
- 2:24Speaker 2: some reason, and bam, another side of your dog becomes
- 2:28Speaker 2: visible to you. When you consider that, it's a little
- 2:32Speaker 2: easier to understand why big Bucks and often deer in
- 2:35Speaker 2: general leave us a little perplexed or gobsmacked and well.
- 2:39Speaker 3: Just a little confused.
- 2:40Speaker 2: But consider this also, We rarely spend time with them,
- 2:44Speaker 2: and when we do, it's largely in the fall, when
- 2:46Speaker 2: we are trying to kill them. You know, we get
- 2:48Speaker 2: pictures of them in the summer, but that is a tiny,
- 2:50Speaker 2: infinitesimal glimpse into their lives. We don't know them, and
- 2:54Speaker 2: the folks who actually do know them don't really know
- 2:57Speaker 2: them either, And by that I mean biologists and researchers.
- 3:00Speaker 2: But I should also say at least a lot of
- 3:02Speaker 2: them are actually trying to figure out deer and deer behavior,
- 3:06Speaker 2: and a lot of what they try to figure out
- 3:08Speaker 2: is where do they live?
- 3:10Speaker 3: Where do they go?
- 3:11Speaker 2: When certain conditions come together to start to make sense
- 3:14Speaker 2: of their findings. It's a good idea to brush up
- 3:16Speaker 2: on a few definitions. Let's start with home range. We
- 3:21Speaker 2: talk a lot about home range, and it's generally accepted
- 3:24Speaker 2: that a deer will have a home range of about
- 3:26Speaker 2: a square mile. I've talked about this a lot on here,
- 3:29Speaker 2: but that is highly variable by several hundred acres depending
- 3:33Speaker 2: on individual deer and where those deer happen to live
- 3:37Speaker 2: in just what's available to them. You know, a buck
- 3:40Speaker 2: who has nice food plots and thick bedding cover and
- 3:42Speaker 2: lots of does and plenty of brows and masks and
- 3:44Speaker 2: low predator numbers to deal with, he just might not
- 3:48Speaker 2: need to move a whole lot from one section to
- 3:49Speaker 2: the next.
- 3:50Speaker 3: So he won't.
- 3:52Speaker 2: A deer that doesn't will And there are a whole
- 3:55Speaker 2: lot of variables beyond that. Any Huski biologists consider a
- 4:01Speaker 2: deer's home range to be where it spends ninety five
- 4:03Speaker 2: percent of its time over the course of an entire year.
- 4:07Speaker 2: That other five percent will come into place soon enough,
- 4:09Speaker 2: but for now, that's the working definition, and it just
- 4:12Speaker 2: kind of makes sense. But then you have core range,
- 4:16Speaker 2: which is what we are all looking for when it
- 4:18Speaker 2: comes to big bucks. Core range is generally considered to
- 4:21Speaker 2: be where a deer spends fifty percent of his time.
- 4:24Speaker 2: Think preferred betting areas or some top notch feeding areas here. Now,
- 4:28Speaker 2: the interesting thing about this stuff are the excursions we
- 4:32Speaker 2: hear about what we think are outlier excursions when some
- 4:35Speaker 2: collar buck takes off and walks across the land and
- 4:38Speaker 2: ends up twenty miles away for a few days. But
- 4:40Speaker 2: what we often don't factor in is that an awful
- 4:43Speaker 2: lot of deer take excursions, just not the twenty mile kind,
- 4:46Speaker 2: and why they take those excursions might surprise you. The
- 4:49Speaker 2: primary drivers research suggests, anyway, our habitat availability food and water,
- 4:56Speaker 2: not hunting pressure, which is important to note. It's also
- 5:00Speaker 2: important to note while hunting pressure doesn't seem to convince
- 5:04Speaker 2: bucks to head to the next county, it does convince
- 5:06Speaker 2: them that walking around a lot during daylight is a
- 5:09Speaker 2: generally bad idea. Research into this topic has yielded some
- 5:13Speaker 2: interesting findings too. It's not totally uncommon to hear someone
- 5:17Speaker 2: say that a buck has a certain territory, which is
- 5:19Speaker 2: the wrong word. Territory is something that is defended and
- 5:23Speaker 2: contested to some extent. Now maybe I'm wrong here, but
- 5:27Speaker 2: wolf packs in their stopping grounds are probably a decent example,
- 5:30Speaker 2: but what this means for whitetail bucks is interesting, and
- 5:33Speaker 2: a study out of South Carolina showed that bucks can
- 5:36Speaker 2: share core areas, and often do. They share core areas
- 5:40Speaker 2: that have significant overlap, even during a hunting season when
- 5:44Speaker 2: they shouldn't be very tolerant of one another. They are
- 5:47Speaker 2: tolerant of each other, and if you understand hierarchies and
- 5:50Speaker 2: the reality of limited quality habitat and food sources, you
- 5:53Speaker 2: kind of understand why they have to just find some peace.
- 5:56Speaker 2: The bucks figure out who is the top dog, and
- 5:58Speaker 2: then they figure out how to not get in each
- 5:59Speaker 2: other spaces all the times. It's like a middle school
- 6:02Speaker 2: out there in some ways. This also flies in the
- 6:05Speaker 2: face of conventional thinking when it comes to the end
- 6:07Speaker 2: of August in the beginning of September, when the velvet
- 6:09Speaker 2: finally gets shed and the bucks theoretically should be getting
- 6:13Speaker 2: a little ornery. When we don't see the bachelor groups
- 6:16Speaker 2: lazily feeding in the alfalfa anymore, we assume they split
- 6:19Speaker 2: up and dispersed.
- 6:21Speaker 3: They do, but they don't.
- 6:22Speaker 2: The change from summer to early fall coincides with different
- 6:25Speaker 2: nutritional needs, which coincides often with the availability of different
- 6:30Speaker 2: food sources, deer often go from a protein heavy dyet
- 6:33Speaker 2: to something that is more car bloated, which means the
- 6:36Speaker 2: alfalfa can't quite compete with the per simmons or acorns.
- 6:39Speaker 2: Right about the time when the last vestiges of summer
- 6:41Speaker 2: fade and the fall weather hits. So when did the
- 6:44Speaker 2: deer go on excursions?
- 6:45Speaker 3: Then? I'm glad you asked.
- 6:47Speaker 2: One study out of the University of Tennessee shows that
- 6:50Speaker 2: the pre rut, peak rut, and post rut are where
- 6:52Speaker 2: it's at excursion wise. They coller ten bucks and ten
- 6:56Speaker 2: dos to monitor their movements and figure this out. In
- 6:59Speaker 2: that st seven bucks took lengthy excursions from their home ranges,
- 7:04Speaker 2: but so did six dos, which might seem a little surprising.
- 7:08Speaker 2: What is more surprising is that with the doze, the
- 7:10Speaker 2: most active time period for excursions was during the pre rut.
- 7:14Speaker 2: This study seems to lend a lot of credence to
- 7:16Speaker 2: the idea that if a deer, buck or dough is
- 7:19Speaker 2: going to light out for a little while, it'll be
- 7:21Speaker 2: in the interest of making baby deer, but deer engage
- 7:24Speaker 2: in excursions all year. A study out of Pennsylvania where
- 7:27Speaker 2: They called thirteen bucks and monitored them from April to June.
- 7:31Speaker 2: Showed that nine of them made excursions, which averaged two
- 7:34Speaker 2: point five miles, but one buck doubled that distance when
- 7:38Speaker 2: he took off not to muddy the water's further considered
- 7:41Speaker 2: the findings of another study out of Pennsylvania that monitored
- 7:45Speaker 2: home range and core range sizes throughout the seasons. This
- 7:48Speaker 2: one is interesting because it followed nineteen mature bucks. Their
- 7:52Speaker 2: home ranges varied in size from an average of nine
- 7:55Speaker 2: hundred acres in the fall to less than half of
- 7:57Speaker 2: that in the summer. Just followed a similar trajectory, going
- 8:02Speaker 2: from about one hundred and fifteen acres down to just
- 8:04Speaker 2: sixty during the summer. Now, if you're not spinning your
- 8:07Speaker 2: wheels quite yet, let me throw one more wrench into
- 8:10Speaker 2: the gears. A study out of Louisiana concluded that some
- 8:13Speaker 2: bucks have two home.
- 8:14Speaker 3: Ranges during the rut.
- 8:15Speaker 2: They spend some time in one, then bail and go
- 8:18Speaker 2: to another one where they spend some time, then they
- 8:21Speaker 2: come back. So the buck that you get picks of
- 8:23Speaker 2: during the pre rut, who you're sure is going to
- 8:26Speaker 2: run through your best pinch point spot and give you
- 8:28Speaker 2: a shot might be chasing dose two miles away all
- 8:31Speaker 2: week and long, and while you think he didn't show
- 8:34Speaker 2: because of some sort of randomness to the rut, it
- 8:37Speaker 2: might not be a random at all. It might be
- 8:39Speaker 2: a very specific breeding strategy when your timing was just
- 8:42Speaker 2: off from his. Well, there are several studies out there
- 8:57Speaker 2: that show something that might really mess with your head,
- 9:00Speaker 2: which is what I mentioned earlier about hunting pressure and
- 9:02Speaker 2: buck travel. Some bucks do leave an area that is
- 9:05Speaker 2: under heavy pressure, but most don't seem to do that.
- 9:09Speaker 2: They just don't move as much, and when they do,
- 9:11Speaker 2: they tend to concentrate their movements in dense, thick, nasty areas.
- 9:15Speaker 2: Intuitivity that makes sense for a prey animal. I mean,
- 9:19Speaker 2: think about it. Take your pick of states. Let's say Wisconsin,
- 9:22Speaker 2: where there are like six hundred thousand gun hunters. That's
- 9:25Speaker 2: a lot of people in the woods trying to shoot deer.
- 9:28Speaker 2: If bucks took off because of hunting pressure during that time,
- 9:31Speaker 2: instead of holding up, they'd put themselves at risk in
- 9:34Speaker 2: a major way. Running away from that type of danger
- 9:37Speaker 2: when the woods are saturated with that type of danger
- 9:40Speaker 2: means they're just gonna get shot at sitting tight and
- 9:42Speaker 2: waiting for the pressure to fade away as a much
- 9:44Speaker 2: better survival technique, and they use it well. They do
- 9:48Speaker 2: this even when we assume that all of the other
- 9:50Speaker 2: hunters walking around and putting on their drives will get
- 9:52Speaker 2: them moving. They mostly don't because most hunters aren't going
- 9:56Speaker 2: to wade through the swamp or step on every edge
- 9:58Speaker 2: of the cattails, or do what they need to do
- 10:00Speaker 2: in order to get deer to move out of the
- 10:02Speaker 2: spots they use to hide from us. What is the
- 10:05Speaker 2: takeaway from all this, especially in consideration of this time
- 10:08Speaker 2: of year. Well, maybe this is confirmation biased because I
- 10:11Speaker 2: believed it for a long time, but I think it
- 10:13Speaker 2: speaks to something important in our current deer hunting culture.
- 10:16Speaker 2: Hitless and target bucks are a real thing, and there
- 10:19Speaker 2: are a lot of properties out there where you might
- 10:21Speaker 2: find a giant today and he'll still be there in
- 10:24Speaker 2: the fall. But it's also a good idea to acknowledge
- 10:27Speaker 2: that the hitless target buck saying works best on properties
- 10:30Speaker 2: that offer really good food and habitat and some water
- 10:33Speaker 2: and just the right mix of cover. This whole hunting
- 10:37Speaker 2: style came from people who have access to those types
- 10:39Speaker 2: of spots, they can identify individual bucks and follow them
- 10:43Speaker 2: somewhat closely, and they can facilitate the ground that those
- 10:47Speaker 2: bucks just won't want to leave from. Then they control
- 10:51Speaker 2: the hunting pressure so that those bucks are prone to
- 10:53Speaker 2: walking around in daylight more during the hunting season.
- 10:56Speaker 3: Case closed sort of.
- 10:59Speaker 2: A scouting is generally more directly connected to their fall
- 11:03Speaker 2: hunting because they try hard to reduce some of the
- 11:05Speaker 2: variables that might convince bucks to head somewhere else. Most
- 11:08Speaker 2: of us don't have that, even if we think that
- 11:11Speaker 2: we do. So let's look at this. Let's say you
- 11:14Speaker 2: have one hundred and sixty acres to hunt and you
- 11:16Speaker 2: share it with your buddy and your cousin. That's a
- 11:18Speaker 2: sweet setup, and not many people would turn it down.
- 11:21Speaker 2: And you guys put in some food plots, and you
- 11:23Speaker 2: do some hinge cutting, have a couple of no go
- 11:25Speaker 2: bedding areas, and really try to make things work for
- 11:27Speaker 2: the deer. But one hundred and sixty acres is twenty
- 11:30Speaker 2: five percent of a section, which means it might be
- 11:33Speaker 2: twenty five percent of your target bucks home range or
- 11:35Speaker 2: maybe far less. Now, what if that one hundred and
- 11:38Speaker 2: sixty acres is a half fields and forty acres of
- 11:40Speaker 2: it is pastured woods that the turkeys love but the
- 11:43Speaker 2: deer don't. Now, you might still have one hundred and
- 11:45Speaker 2: sixty acres of a few bucks home ranges, but maybe
- 11:49Speaker 2: forty of their core range, or maybe less, maybe none.
- 11:53Speaker 2: You have a bachelor group on one of your fields
- 11:55Speaker 2: all summer long. Hell, maybe you have a mineral block
- 11:58Speaker 2: out to draw them in and get great trick photos.
- 12:01Speaker 2: Those bucks spend every night for two months on your place,
- 12:04Speaker 2: and you are already eyeballing a spot on your wall
- 12:06Speaker 2: for the shoulder amount that you're inevitably going to need.
- 12:10Speaker 2: You know where I'm going with this. You pin your
- 12:12Speaker 2: hopes on the biggest dear in the bachelor group, and
- 12:14Speaker 2: then it just kind of explodes. They go hard, antlered,
- 12:18Speaker 2: the mineral block goes cold, and the whole thing just
- 12:20Speaker 2: kind of falls apart when you're about to start hunting.
- 12:23Speaker 3: That happens, and it's okay.
- 12:26Speaker 2: But then we pin our hopes on that buck, and
- 12:28Speaker 2: you know, he might not spend hardly any time on
- 12:32Speaker 2: your property during the entire season, we still hold hope
- 12:35Speaker 2: for him because he was there, and because no matter what,
- 12:38Speaker 2: he's going to sway through during the rut right, maybe,
- 12:42Speaker 2: but maybe not. And where I'm going with this is
- 12:45Speaker 2: that if you're out there right now, running cameras and
- 12:47Speaker 2: glassing and building a case for why a certain buck
- 12:50Speaker 2: is you're one and only this season, consider how quickly
- 12:53Speaker 2: that might go totally wrong. This only becomes more true
- 12:56Speaker 2: for folks hunting smaller properties or properties with more pressure
- 13:00Speaker 2: or properties it just don't have the right cover or browser,
- 13:02Speaker 2: food or water or dough groups or whatever that might
- 13:05Speaker 2: make this seem like a lost cause. And I don't
- 13:08Speaker 2: want that, because it's not. It's just a warning that
- 13:11Speaker 2: instead of going full hit list on specific deer, it
- 13:14Speaker 2: might be a good idea to learn about bucks generally,
- 13:17Speaker 2: those core areas out there where bucks just like to
- 13:19Speaker 2: spend at least fifty percent of their time during the
- 13:21Speaker 2: fall hunting season, they offer something up that is valuable
- 13:25Speaker 2: to all bucks. While we like to try to find
- 13:28Speaker 2: one deer and sauce out as daily habits to build
- 13:30Speaker 2: a pattern, a lot of us would be better off
- 13:32Speaker 2: scouting like fiends to find areas that bucks like to use. Now,
- 13:37Speaker 2: I know that's not like a huge revelation, but think
- 13:39Speaker 2: about it. What would help you become a better hunter,
- 13:43Speaker 2: you know, the kind who consistently kills big bucks. Is
- 13:46Speaker 2: it pinning your hopes on a deer in August that
- 13:48Speaker 2: might not be in the same section as you in October?
- 13:51Speaker 2: Or is it learning about the areas that bucks really
- 13:53Speaker 2: really like and then figuring out how to hunt them.
- 13:56Speaker 2: You see, in all those deer studies, one of the
- 13:59Speaker 2: things that up a lot is that the bucks will
- 14:01Speaker 2: go into the thick shit to avoid us. So we
- 14:04Speaker 2: should figure out how to haunt the thick shit, or
- 14:06Speaker 2: at least find the thick shit and then figure out
- 14:09Speaker 2: what to do with it. But instead we often get
- 14:11Speaker 2: a pick of a good one, which is easy to
- 14:14Speaker 2: do these days. Then we try to talk ourselves into
- 14:16Speaker 2: hunting him like we want to haunt him, which means
- 14:19Speaker 2: going out, you know, during the right pre rut and
- 14:21Speaker 2: rut days with the right conditions, and then hoping he
- 14:24Speaker 2: comes through. But it's a better about to really try
- 14:26Speaker 2: to figure out where he or his buddies will likely
- 14:29Speaker 2: go when they get sick of getting stepped on by
- 14:31Speaker 2: us or our friends or our cousins. Or if you
- 14:34Speaker 2: haunt some places like public land just about you know,
- 14:37Speaker 2: anywhere anyone who pulls into the WMA parking lot for
- 14:40Speaker 2: a couple of months could mess up your plan. So
- 14:43Speaker 2: where do those bucks go? And the individual buck thing
- 14:46Speaker 2: is great, but it's really hard to do in an
- 14:48Speaker 2: awful lot of situations. If you hunt small properties, for example,
- 14:51Speaker 2: it's not hopeless, but it can be awful close. If
- 14:54Speaker 2: you hunt generally pressured ground, again, it's not hopeless, but
- 14:58Speaker 2: it can be awful close. I've started to lean into
- 15:01Speaker 2: this style of thinking hard to last few years, and
- 15:04Speaker 2: boy have I killed some bucks and had some encounters
- 15:06Speaker 2: with great deer because of it. I want to find
- 15:08Speaker 2: the area they are happy to use because most of
- 15:11Speaker 2: us won't go in there, and then I want to
- 15:12Speaker 2: figure out how to hunt it for big bucks, but
- 15:15Speaker 2: not necessarily a specific big buck. This line of thinking
- 15:19Speaker 2: is also a great way to take yourself to the
- 15:20Speaker 2: next level of hunting, because it's not just about killing
- 15:23Speaker 2: one fifties, but going from only being able to arrow
- 15:27Speaker 2: a year and a half holds to bumping yourself up
- 15:29Speaker 2: to two and a half year olds or three and
- 15:31Speaker 2: a half year olds. It's a pressure deer strategy but
- 15:34Speaker 2: also just a deer strategy, and it's something that most
- 15:38Speaker 2: of us need to develop. Because most of us are
- 15:40Speaker 2: hunting pressure deer of some level. It's something that might
- 15:43Speaker 2: not seem important now because the bucks are easy to
- 15:45Speaker 2: see and easy to get pictures of, but it'll come
- 15:47Speaker 2: into play for a hell of a lot of us
- 15:49Speaker 2: in the next six to eight weeks or so and
- 15:52Speaker 2: stay with us until the snowflies or at least the
- 15:54Speaker 2: season ends. So think about that as you're naming bucks
- 15:57Speaker 2: and gaining more and more confidence that Skyscraper or a
- 16:00Speaker 2: Goldpost or whatever his name is, he's all but tagged
- 16:03Speaker 2: and hanging in the garage.
- 16:04Speaker 3: You're ready.
- 16:05Speaker 2: He's not, but you can try to figure out where
- 16:07Speaker 2: he might end up or somebody like him might end
- 16:10Speaker 2: up during the season, and set up some ambush sites
- 16:12Speaker 2: for them.
- 16:12Speaker 3: And according to.
- 16:13Speaker 2: The research, if they don't show up, but you do
- 16:15Speaker 2: your part, someone else's hit list buck might just take
- 16:19Speaker 2: a little excursion to your farm in the end of
- 16:21Speaker 2: October early November, and that'll be a welcome surprise. Think
- 16:26Speaker 2: about that as you're out there scouting right now, and
- 16:27Speaker 2: then come back next week because I'm going to talk
- 16:29Speaker 2: about a few things bow hunters and crossbow hunters and
- 16:31Speaker 2: rifle hunters should do while they are practicing in the
- 16:35Speaker 2: off season, you know, in this preseason time right now
- 16:37Speaker 2: to get ready to make a good shot when it
- 16:40Speaker 2: counts to most.
- 16:41Speaker 3: That's it for this episode. I'm Tony Peterson.
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