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SMNTY Classics: Crip Camp · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Smantha. I'm o good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told you approctive, I hearted you.
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  Speaker 2: And for this classic we are bringing back our feminist
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  Speaker 2: Movie Friday we did on cript Camp because yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: great documentary. Go watch it if you haven't seen it already,
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  Speaker 2: But it came up in our recent update on Disability
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  Speaker 2: Pride Month and what's going on, so I thought we
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  Speaker 2: would bring it back.
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  Speaker 3: Did you know there's an actual follow up with it
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  Speaker 3: to that that we might have to watch? It follows
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  Speaker 3: the couple from that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
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  Speaker 3: we're going to have to come back and watch that
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  Speaker 3: one soon.
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  Speaker 1: Just FYI another thing to add to the list.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Well, in the meantime, please enjoy this
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  Speaker 2: classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome
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  Speaker 2: to Stephan never told you a protection of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 4: And welcome to another edition of Feminist Movie.
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  Speaker 5: And then whatever day you're listening to a guess, technically
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  Speaker 5: this is being released on a Wednesday, so it's no
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  Speaker 5: longer a Feminist Movie Friday.
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  Speaker 4: But you don't Also, you may not be listening on
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  Speaker 4: a Wednesday. Who knows, right, it's.
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  Speaker 2: True, we have no control over this. You can insert
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  Speaker 2: whatever day of the week that you're listening to it,
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  Speaker 2: and that's perfectly fine.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, And we talked about this on our last movie,
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  Speaker 5: and we wanted to come back and make sure that
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  Speaker 5: we do a viewing and have a conversation. But we
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  Speaker 5: are talking about the amazing documentary crypt Camp Disability Revolution.
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  Speaker 4: But before we.
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  Speaker 5: Start, Annie, I do need to ask did you do
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  Speaker 5: camps as a good Did you go to like these
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  Speaker 5: little summer camps?
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  Speaker 2: Funny you should ask that because I just had a
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  Speaker 2: conversation with my friends about how there's like very jokingly
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  Speaker 2: camp kids and non camp kids.
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  Speaker 1: I did not do it.
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  Speaker 2: I as as I have said today, the reasons might
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  Speaker 2: be different. I do not sleep well around other people.
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  Speaker 2: That sounded like a nightmare to me. I did like
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  Speaker 2: the idea of like learning how to tye nots or shoot.
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  Speaker 1: Bow and arrows or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like a lot of movies about camp
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  Speaker 2: that I watched as a kid did not make it
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  Speaker 2: seem like an experience I would enjoy. It sounded like
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  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of pranks and I was
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  Speaker 2: gonna be terrified andred for life.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, I think it's forting to what kind of
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  Speaker 4: camp you go to.
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  Speaker 5: I will say that I did go to a couple
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  Speaker 5: of church camps, and it was very rare that I
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  Speaker 5: went because they were expensive. But I also thought was
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  Speaker 5: one of those that thought camp was kind of not useless.
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  Speaker 4: But just like, why why would I do this?
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  Speaker 5: Why would I go away into a strange place and
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  Speaker 5: pay all this money to do things like eat the
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  Speaker 5: food that I don't like, being in the woods, getting
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  Speaker 5: eaten up by bugs, like all of these things. But
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  Speaker 5: I really liked the ones that I was able to
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  Speaker 5: do things. I went to a church camp that went
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  Speaker 5: and built homes throughout the towns under privileged areas. I
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  Speaker 5: loved that. That part of it was so much fun,
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  Speaker 5: and I built a lot of friendships based on it.
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  Speaker 5: I guess I went to several because after I went
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  Speaker 5: to one of them, I went to several because I
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  Speaker 5: love the aspect of going to build and do things
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  Speaker 5: all day long and enjoy those times. Of course, the
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  Speaker 5: first one was amazing, so I wanted to relive that
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  Speaker 5: one over and over and over again. That didn't happen,
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  Speaker 5: but I had some really good experiences, But I wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: say that it was my cup of tea I like
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  Speaker 5: camping to a certain degree, but yeah, I would always
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  Speaker 5: be exhausted when I left, But.
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  Speaker 4: Like I said, I did build some bonds.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm really excited about this documentary because that's kind
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  Speaker 5: of where we see this type of camp going. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: so we are talking about the Sun Dance Award winning,
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  Speaker 5: Slash Oscar nominated documentary Crypt Camp a Disability Revolution, which
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  Speaker 5: was released in twenty twenty, directed by Nicole Newnham and
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  Speaker 5: James le Brett, who was a camper himself at what
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  Speaker 5: we are calling it crypt Camp or crypt Janade, and
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  Speaker 5: it was also executive produced by the Obamas, Michelle and Barack.
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  Speaker 2: It was it was and we mentioned this not only
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  Speaker 2: in a recent feminist movie Friday, I think also in
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  Speaker 2: our recent book Club, but in our Ada, our breakdown
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  Speaker 2: on the Ada, we talked about coming back to discuss
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  Speaker 2: this movie. It's on Netflix, is streaming. If you haven't
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  Speaker 2: seen it, want to watch it. Not currently a sponsor,
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  Speaker 2: but just letting you know. The documentary follows le Brett,
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  Speaker 2: Judith Human, Denise Cherr, Jacobson, Nancy Rosenblum, Nancy Dangelo, Anna Coupolo, Freeman,
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  Speaker 2: Ellie Abrashknjeane Mala Frante, Steve Hoffman, Michael Tannenbaum, Al Levy,
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  Speaker 2: and others who attended as campers at Camp Jenaide, a
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  Speaker 2: camp led by Larry Allison, who was the camp director.
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  Speaker 2: We also got to meet staffers like Lionel, Joe Woodyard,
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  Speaker 2: Joseph O'Connor, and people who are on site to document
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  Speaker 2: the film with the People's Video Theater, like Howard Gustadt,
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  Speaker 2: who was able to get footage of the times and
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  Speaker 2: discussion throughout the camp.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really cool, actually.
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  Speaker 5: Right, I Honestly, the first thing I thought was like,
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  Speaker 5: what an amazing thing that they were able to get
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  Speaker 5: this on film and have such an open, honest conversation
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  Speaker 5: and was able to get that and restore that and
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  Speaker 5: be able to show that to others, because it was
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  Speaker 5: a phenomenal idea and you don't see that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: We've talked about this many times when we think of
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  Speaker 5: historical figures and historical events that we don't get to
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  Speaker 5: see or have actual proof of.
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  Speaker 4: What happened there.
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  Speaker 5: And to have like a first person contact to see
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  Speaker 5: what is happening and what has happened, it's phenomenal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, and it was very like a moment in
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  Speaker 2: time captured because I was like, really, well, this is seventies,
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  Speaker 2: Oh I feel it.
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  Speaker 5: I loved seeing them in their prom and now filling
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  Speaker 5: themselves and exploring that. I wonder how they turned out
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  Speaker 5: as adults because they still follow with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and we got to see some so answers to
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  Speaker 1: that question.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the film was fifteen years in the making with
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  Speaker 2: campger Lebritt, who has spined bitheta as a director and
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  Speaker 2: narrator throughout the documentary. And yes, it was premiered at
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty Sun Dance Festival. Camp Jeanette was founded
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty two in the Catskills and was shut
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  Speaker 2: down in nineteen seventy seven. And this is where a
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  Speaker 2: majority of it takes place, or where a lot of
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  Speaker 2: like the blossoming of this activism that we see right.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it's partially because a Lebret who came
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  Speaker 5: in later is the one that says the tone of
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  Speaker 5: how he got to be a part of that and seeing.
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  Speaker 4: That as well.
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  Speaker 5: And then if I am correct, I don't know what
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  Speaker 5: is happening with Kim Jeannette right now, but there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot of conversation about things with cryp camp and how
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of blossomed a new movement in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: as well, so it's good to see how it kind
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  Speaker 5: of picks back up. But the documentary, as we are discussing,
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  Speaker 5: shows the impact of Campjenet and the campers who could
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  Speaker 5: escape the world and go to their personal quote Woodstock,
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  Speaker 5: as one of the campers say, there the campers were
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  Speaker 5: able to live as they wanted, hooking up with some
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  Speaker 5: of the other campers, maybe for the first time, getting girlfriends,
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  Speaker 5: getting boyfriends, having all this new romance, playing and truly
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  Speaker 5: competing with each other. There was a line when they
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  Speaker 5: talked about for the first time, not only were they
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  Speaker 5: picked to be on their team, you had to and
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  Speaker 5: if you got out, you got out.
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  Speaker 4: This is not about pity.
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  Speaker 5: This is about good, friendly competition, being treated as one
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  Speaker 5: of the teammates, and then you get to see them
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  Speaker 5: making their own decisions, but also get access to actual
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  Speaker 5: help from people not just being left and being able
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  Speaker 5: to speak about the issues from being treated differently by
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  Speaker 5: the outside world or by their parents, and or disciplined differently,
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  Speaker 5: or even completely having to be reliant on their parents
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  Speaker 5: and therefore having to act differently than other teams, kids
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  Speaker 5: trying to obtain autonomy and just being able to live
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  Speaker 5: their lives and the discussions they had poured out in
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  Speaker 5: the real world. Of course, we're kind of jumping over
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the things, the personal connections and just
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  Speaker 5: the love that happens at the camp, and we don't
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  Speaker 5: want to do that, but you really should go and
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  Speaker 5: watch it because it's a deep account of who they
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  Speaker 5: are as an individual and being able to sit and
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  Speaker 5: discuss what they feel like they needed and how they're
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  Speaker 5: often shut down. And we're going to talk a little
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  Speaker 5: bit more about this later in the themes because we
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  Speaker 5: think it's really important, but it is really just eye
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  Speaker 5: opening to have them being able to speak up for themselves,
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  Speaker 5: to truly air out the frustrations, and to be able
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  Speaker 5: to do it with people who understand them. As Lebret
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  Speaker 5: talked about how in his hometown or at his school,
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  Speaker 5: he's the only one with a disability who was disabled
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  Speaker 5: in the friend group. He has a great friend group.
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  Speaker 5: But then coming back and realizing, oh, I do have
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  Speaker 5: these concerns, or I do have this moment of trying
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  Speaker 5: to figure myself out and angst and anger and trying
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  Speaker 5: to pretend, uh, you know, that it doesn't exist on
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  Speaker 5: this level, and or being.
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  Speaker 4: Isolated because of it.
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  Speaker 5: He talks about that and again talks about his own
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  Speaker 5: family and his relationship with his mom.
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  Speaker 4: You see that when we talk about the layer of hierarchy.
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  Speaker 5: When it comes to disabilities and types of disabilities and
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  Speaker 5: then breaking that down in this conversation. So it's a
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  Speaker 5: really beautiful time. Again they're having a democracy. We see
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  Speaker 5: a young Judith Human who takes on the net as
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  Speaker 5: a leader, but trying to do it democratically. To giving
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  Speaker 5: everybody your voice, whether it's about food, whether it's about
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  Speaker 5: you know, sleeping, Like all of these things is a
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  Speaker 5: beautiful thing to see as you get to watch them
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  Speaker 5: in the moment of the camps was nice. And also
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  Speaker 5: the crabs incident and if you don't know what I'm
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  Speaker 5: talking about.
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  Speaker 4: You need to watch it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, it's like just such a realistic hit is this
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  Speaker 5: is great? And yes, like I said, the discussion had
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  Speaker 5: does pour out into the real world as due to
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  Speaker 5: Human and so many from the camp continue in taking
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  Speaker 5: their discussions into action. Human's own lawsuit against the New
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  Speaker 5: York Board of Education was highlighted as part of the
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  Speaker 5: catalyst in the disability movement and political protests which you
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  Speaker 5: see later on in the film as they continue to
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  Speaker 5: build up to being able to advocate for themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Right and as we did discuss in our Ada episode,
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  Speaker 2: the movement was heated with sit ins, protests, and political
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  Speaker 2: debates and negotiations. The documentary follows different approaches in the
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  Speaker 2: disability activists, including the five ZO four sit in in
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  Speaker 2: San Diego in nineteen seventy seven, which spread to Washington,
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  Speaker 2: d C. To pressure the then administration to define federal
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  Speaker 2: guidelines around the Discrimination Act and to push for the
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  Speaker 2: civil rights of all disabled people. And it was during
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  Speaker 2: this time that supporters from other movements such as the
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  Speaker 2: Black Panthers came and drove to not only show support,
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  Speaker 2: but also provided items such as meals and services for
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  Speaker 2: those protesting right.
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  Speaker 5: It was really interesting to watch the different people and
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  Speaker 5: organizations that would reach out and making sure that they
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  Speaker 5: were able to support them as In fact, during that time,
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  Speaker 5: one activist asked members of the Black Panthers, why are
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  Speaker 5: you doing this? And they're like, we see you, we
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  Speaker 5: know what it's like to be here, and we have
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  Speaker 5: to fight with each other.
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  Speaker 4: This is what we're about and I love that.
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  Speaker 5: So the documentary continued following individuals as they were going
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  Speaker 5: through their own private journeys, such as Denise Shear Jacobson,
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  Speaker 5: who talked about her life as a disability educator and
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  Speaker 5: as a specialist in human sexuality, which she talks about
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  Speaker 5: how she got there, which was pretty much what we've
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  Speaker 5: talked about before, how oftentimes people with disabilities are dismissed
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  Speaker 5: when it comes to sexuality and disregarded completely and seeing
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  Speaker 5: as completely asexual. And I'm saying that in the literal definition,
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  Speaker 5: not necessarily a sexuality definition, but that's one of the
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  Speaker 5: things that.
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  Speaker 4: They state, and she kind of pushed through.
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  Speaker 5: She was like, Nah, no, needy to get mine. I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to get in mine. And she talked about her
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  Speaker 5: experience of actually being pregnant, but because the doctors did
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  Speaker 5: not see her as a sexual being or someone who
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  Speaker 5: could be sexual, they dismissed that altogether, and that really
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  Speaker 5: pushed her forward into this profession and just being an
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  Speaker 5: activist for disabled community. And she talked about how she
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  Speaker 5: pushed to defy expectations when so many underestimated, including being
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  Speaker 5: in a relationship and growing with her family and being
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  Speaker 5: a professional who made it out into the world and
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  Speaker 5: really became an icon in education, especially within the disabled
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  Speaker 5: community as well as the education community. So the documentary
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  Speaker 5: continues as Human and her organization, Disabled An Action, continued
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  Speaker 5: their fight, including the Capital Crawl in the nineties, which was,
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  Speaker 5: of course, if we talked about this earlier, a demonstration
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  Speaker 5: of inaccessibility and no access for those with disabilities, which
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  Speaker 5: made a huge impact because we still talk about it today.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and later we see a reunion with several of
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  Speaker 2: the old camp goers with Human, the Brects, Jacobson and
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  Speaker 2: a few others at the old camp site reminiscing about
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  Speaker 2: the past, and it was a very powerful right to
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  Speaker 2: see them reuniting and reminiscing about the people they've lost
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  Speaker 2: and the people who are still there and why it
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  Speaker 2: was so important this camp.
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  Speaker 5: Right one of the campgoers children came through to celebrate
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  Speaker 5: the camp as well, and it was a heartwarming moment
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  Speaker 5: where she got to see where some of the defying
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  Speaker 5: moments for her father.
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  Speaker 4: Was there in that area. So it was a beautiful ending.
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  Speaker 5: But of course with that, throughout the movie you see
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  Speaker 5: that as much as they do progress, they do feel
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  Speaker 5: like they're being pushed back in some of the progress,
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  Speaker 5: and as we're talking about today, we know.
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  Speaker 4: That's still a big issue.
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  Speaker 5: As many things that have happened, there have been setbacks,
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  Speaker 5: as many good things have happened with the ADA, there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of things that are problematic within the ADA,
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  Speaker 5: and we needed to talk about that as well and
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  Speaker 5: who it applies to, who gets access and honestly that
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  Speaker 5: some of the conversations that we're having with them just
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  Speaker 5: venting and airing out the issues that they dealt with
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  Speaker 5: in everyday life haven't gone away unfortunately, but they definitely
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  Speaker 5: did a lot to make sure to bring some awareness
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  Speaker 5: and some step forward. But yeah, if you haven't seen
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  Speaker 5: this documentary, you should definitely check it out. We did
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  Speaker 5: want to go on with some themes of the documentary
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  Speaker 5: because I think it's really important that we highlight and
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  Speaker 5: talk about how they have impacted and this movement impacted
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  Speaker 5: all of society and all of us as a community,
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  Speaker 5: and just understanding we need to pushing for human rights.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the big themes.
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  Speaker 5: Is of course the history of those with disabilities, the
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  Speaker 5: rights of disabilities, civil rights within disability communities, as well
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  Speaker 5: as just being able to be heard and I thought
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  Speaker 5: it was really good how they actually just backtracked and
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  Speaker 5: talked about it from almost beginning to end, including some
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  Speaker 5: of the horrific things such as that we've talked about
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  Speaker 5: the Willebrook Institute and how horrible that discovery was, and
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  Speaker 5: it really kind of opened up, I guess the public
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  Speaker 5: to see how horrific some of the people with disabilities
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  Speaker 5: were being treated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's such a great, vulnerable personal look
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  Speaker 2: at the progress that the disability movement has had and
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  Speaker 2: how hard they've had to fight, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it watching it felt so frustrating because what they were
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  Speaker 2: saying just made sense. Of course, you should have access
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  Speaker 2: to being able to live by yourself, being able to
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  Speaker 2: access public transportation, being able to get into public buildings,
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  Speaker 2: like all of these things that they were having to
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  Speaker 2: fight so hard, and that you know, the camp.
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  Speaker 1: It was so.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of heartbreaking but also heartwarming to talk about how
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  Speaker 2: much they loved that camp because they would go and
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  Speaker 2: it was like the first time they just felt like
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have to fit into society's rules or like
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  Speaker 2: make people feel comfortable, that they could just be themselves
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  Speaker 2: and talk to other people. And that's why it was
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  Speaker 2: so important to them and it was so life changing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I think an experience like that clearly carried through
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  Speaker 2: into right this movement because it was like a glimpse
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  Speaker 2: of well, no, we should.
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  Speaker 4: Have had this all right.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we already talked about the ablest idea of
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  Speaker 5: dismissing those with disabilities, thinking that they're not able to
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  Speaker 5: think for themselves or do for themselves, so therefore their
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  Speaker 5: lacking and shouldn't have an opinion, which I think human
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  Speaker 5: does an amazing job in making sure. At that camp
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  Speaker 5: she was like, no, you will have a part in this,
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  Speaker 5: and you will have a voice in this, and we
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  Speaker 5: will allow you to speak and have a voice here.
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  Speaker 5: And I love that, in which she felt just rightly,
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  Speaker 5: so should be everywhere, should be outside of just the
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  Speaker 5: safe space of Kemp Janet. But yeah, one of the
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  Speaker 5: things they talked about was the fact that the ADA
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  Speaker 5: had not passed at that point in time, and there
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  Speaker 5: was no anti discrimination laws in place for those with disabilities,
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  Speaker 5: and when they went into town being denied at places
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  Speaker 5: because they made people uncomfortable, they made customers uncomfortable, and
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  Speaker 5: that in itself was such a statement.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, this was one of the counselors.
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  Speaker 5: Who was an African American man who had come out
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: of Alabama to hang out Jay Woodyard, I believe, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: he was talking about you know, and at that point
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: in time, I understood, because we knew we had to
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: be in our place and not to make people uncomfortable
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: because if we didn't, they could be dangerous for us
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: as well. And he was talking in comparison about how
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: important seeing this level was and how yes, it was
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: similar to each other, and we had so much to
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: push forward and trying to get beyond just existing and
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: existing quietly or disappearing in the corner. And I thought
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: that was impactful. Yeah, one of the things that we
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: talked about with the personal history is just the basic
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: human rights, just being able to exist wherever and not
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: being told you shouldn't be here because you make this
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: awkward or you make me feel some sort of way.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: And at one point time when they were talking about
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: the five o four protests, she was talking about the
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: fact one of the protesters was talking about the fact,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: you know, this was really uncomfortable and people don't want
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: to see us, And honestly, when it comes down to it,
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: she quotes as saying the world always wants us dead.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Disable people know that every day of our lives lived
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: that reality, so there's always going to be am I
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: going to survive?
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Am I going to push back? Or am I going
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: to fight to be here?
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Just talking about the fact that, yeah, honestly, during that time,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: society had this whole don't look, don't tell, don't see,
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: don't you know, don't hear type of conversation, which is
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: why the institutions like Willobrook existed, to just push them
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: aside and be ignored, which is so.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Cruel.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: And she was talking about that fight, like you know,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: it was one of those things whether it's going to
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: make us angry or is it going to make us fight,
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: and talking about the fact that, yeah, we're gonna fight,
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: and you're going to see that we exist and when
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: you ignore us, yes, death happens. Things that you don't
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: want to see or think about happens, but it's going
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: to be there, and yeah, we're not disappearing, which I
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: thought was an important conversation that they were having.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: That they were like, we're here and you see the interviews.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Throughout their times, and I thought that was interesting. And
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: of course another with the history of it is during
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: the camp what impacted something that was like wow, was
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: talking about the right of privacy, which I know we
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: take I take for granted.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there were so many conversations that felt like a
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: gift to see, not only because I was like, oh, wow,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: they got they still have this footage from you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: this time period, but just being so open and vulnerable.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: And in the face of.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Real callousness from like government officials, especially towards the end,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: where they're just like it's going to cost too much
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: in no way to give you.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Your basic right now. But yeah, it's just.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: The they discussed all of these ideas and concerns and
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: things that they had to deal with since childhood, around
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: their lives in privacy, around having to depend on others
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: when that didn't have to be the case, but like
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: particularly their parents perhaps, and just their lives kind of
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: being up for the judgment from everybody, like everybody being like, oh,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you must be sick, Oh there must be something wrong
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: with you. Right, I don't want to be involved because
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you must be sick, which is wrong and gross. Right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, and also just like as you were talking about,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: you know, having to depend on everyone else. They were
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: talking about the fact that you know, at one point
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: one of the campers had to depend on someone else
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: to translate for her, and then that person who translates, like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I feel like this is what she's trying to say.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: And what we're talking about right now is being able
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: to be alone, not having to be completely monitored all
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: the time. We don't have that freedom, and it feels
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: we don't have privacy anymore. I can't be alone to
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: dress myself because don't want trusts that I'm going to
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: do that to you know, like all of these things
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: or for those like having to deal with the fact that, yeah,
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Lebrec talked about how you gone through surgery and having
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: to wear diapers and that was just a level of
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: vulnerability that he wasn't ready for and coming to a
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: camp and you know, you know the stigma that but
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: this was a different camp where people everybody was like, yeah,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: we understand this, we know the struggle and then be
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: given access care as well as still being treated as
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: a full fleshed human instead of being and vantialized because
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: of their disabilities. So it was a really big eye
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: opener to that. Of course, as we talked about earlier
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: the crab incident sexuality and how it was a joke
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: and I laughed.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: It was pretty funny in that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: They're like, oh, we got crabs here we go no,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: and being quarantined from each other because they were sexually active.
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: This was a chance for them to finally explore with
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: one another and do have these relationships, to be able
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: to make out in the corner. Like the stories. It
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: made me smile because I'm like, yeah, this is what happens, like, well,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: not church camp, but regular camp.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: I think maybe church camp too. I just wasn't that
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: cool kiss?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of the most One of the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: threads that stuck out the most to me was this
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: exploration of sexuality because, as we have talked about and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: we discussed in the eighta episode like that, that's a
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: big discussion in the disability community and disability rights community,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: is you know, they're all of these things that we
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: need to talk about, and one of them is desexualization
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: and fantalizing of people who have disabilities. And Denise Jacobson,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: she was very open about that and she as you
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: as you mentioned like she went to the hospital she
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: had stomach pains and they're like, oh, it must be appendicitis,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and they took out a perfectly healthy appendix before they
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: bothered to ask her like oh are you sexually active?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: You have gon rhea? And this was the thing that
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: was like she was like, nope, okay, I'm going to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: go and study sexuality and specifically disability and sexual reality.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: And I think that's so important.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: And I loved seeing her embrace it, even if I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: was so furious, right, that had to be a thing
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: for her at all, But it was again like, yeah,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: there was something so nice about just hearing them discuss like, oh,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: this is our one week anniversary was like.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: You know, right, camp again.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I never went to camp, but I've also assumed that's
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: what happened.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, right, But.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: They were able to explore that and figure that out.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: They were playing music, they were just being themselves. But yeah,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: on top of that, you do see this amazing friendship,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: which I even talked about during the five oh four
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: sit ince how it was Camp Oliver again, them coming together,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: singing together, talking it through, talking about their methods, talking
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: about their grievances. But these friendships, though they didn't always last,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: some of them really did. Nancy was one of the
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: ones that was right next to Judith Human the whole
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: time making sure things were getting done. Lebret talked about
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: he was excited to come to Berkeley because that's where
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: they were to help with these different protests and then.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: The growing need to be activists. So it was really
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: good to see.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: But yeah, there's this level of cammaderie that that happens,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: especially when you are vulnerable and open and then connect
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: on that level. But to move it into activism is
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: a whole different conversation into seeing what they did and
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: what they accomplished and coming in to understand what these
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: types of movements can do, but really just growing on
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: trusting each other. That was a whole different level too,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: And of course we're going to talk a little more
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: about it in a minute, but like inclusion, making sure
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: that everyone again had a voice, making sure that there
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: was an interpreter for those who were deaf before a
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: meeting actually started, making sure that people are being taken
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: care of at all times, being asked what they thought.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I thought it was phenomenal how Judith under her leadership
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: humans leadership really did take on a whole life in itself,
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: and you could tell that she cared, Like when she
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: would choke up in announcements, her friends would be behind
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: her or here for you, we got you, encouraging her
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: instead of sitting in awkward silence, which I feel like
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: happens a lot when someone shows emotions, You're like what
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: do I do?
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: But they know they knew her and uplifted her and
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: it was a beautiful thing to see.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of my favorite parts.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And the documentary starts with a quote somewhere along the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: lines of like, this is the story.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: No one's hurt and they should have heard it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And I totally agree because when I for that episode,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: like I'd researched it, but watching this, I was like,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: look at.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: What they accomplished.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, by supporting each other, holding each other up, talking
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and just being so making that effort to take care
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: of each other and what was really a horrible situation,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Like they stayed in that building for like twenty plus days. Yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and they had to like come up with like betting
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: situations and washing situations and food situations, like all of
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: this stuff, and they did it like they worked with
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: other people. They made it happen. They checked in with
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: everybody they were looking into what people needed. One of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: my favorite parts that's also kind of sad, is that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: they were able to get around like the FBI tapping
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: their phones by using sign language.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Like they just really came together.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: They coalesced, and as we talked about in that Ada episode,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: it was one of the first times where people with
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: you know, disparate disabilities all came together and were like, Oh,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: we're all part of this community and this movement and
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: we can work together and we see you and this
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: is inclusive.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: And it was.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Very It was very, very powerful, and I liked there
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: was that thread of yeah, the people from Camp Jeanette
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: finding each other and others who hadn't gone to that
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: camp being like, once you were friends with one of them,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: we were friends with all of them, right.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: And as in fact, as you're talking about it, the
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: FBI listening in. There wasn't a lot of coverage at
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: one point in time, but that one reporter stuck through.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: He made sure that this was there.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: He was like, this is important, and then when the
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: strike happened, his story went global and finally got it out.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: But the fact that it was still invisible with them
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: doing so much, which was part of the breakdown that
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: you see for human in some of the leadership just
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: really finding it disheartening because people were ignoring it all
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: together because once again, disabilities made people in an ablest
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: way uncomfortable, just as a reminder, just existing made people uncomfortable,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: so they would rather ignore it. And then you have
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: big things like the Heraldo rivera segment on the Willowbrook Institutes,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: which dramatized that which it happened. I know that it happened,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: but it took it to such a level that it
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: also was like, well, if it's not as climactic as this,
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: is it getting the attention. But it was interesting to
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: see how they built that up and how things turned
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: around and come back out and then you know, combating
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: this way or that way and trying.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: To get things accomplished.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: But that's you know, that's the history of this movement.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: That's a history of many movements that you see it
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: going backwards and forwards and being a distraction to being ignored,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: which happens a lot. But they would not let that
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: stop them, and I love that too. Of course within
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: the movement as well, there was a huge growth in it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: As we talked about with it being escalated.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Finally with the reports, they couldn't really ignore it anymore,
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: thank god.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it really was amazing what they were able
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: to accomplish and what they were determined and to accomplish,
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Like despite the adversity, there were so many things I
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: was watching and I was like wow.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: At one point, they had Judas.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Human and some of the other leaders went to d
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: C and they were transported in the back of U
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: haul trucks, like dark moving trucks to get to the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: houses of leaders who they wanted to talk to, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: just all of these things to be heard.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And to be seen.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: And that did lead to this determination and that reporter
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and all these other factors came together to lead to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a growth in the movement and to lead to more
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: people being aware of it, and things like the cripple
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: crawl that just really captured the nation's attention of like, okay,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: we cannot ignore this right now.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: Well that's exactly.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: The growth was so big that yeah, they had to
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: They're like, they're not listening to was here. We've been here,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: San Diego's listening to us. But that's not enough. Okay,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: We're going to go to d C. Y'all stay here,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: we're going here, and that still was enough, so they
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: were starting to like go to home, so like we're
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: gonna make you listen. The Secretary at that point in
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: time had to go around the back and sneak away
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: from them because he couldn't confront them to the fact
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: that he signed off in private and it just happened
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: because he didn't want to acknowledge the fact that he
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: tried to take some credit for it.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: We're not going to give it to him.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: But also the fact that it did capture the attentions
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: of the Senate, but at least a few senate who
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: not only held hearings, but then you also said like
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: betting and such. At one point in time, the mayor
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: came in support and talked to them as well.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: But it did get.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: That type of traction and had to grow to that point,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: to the point that one of the senates who when
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: they were having this hearing, the representative of the Secretary,
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: who had no idea what was happening, got chased down
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: when he tried to ignore questions to come back and
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: you better come and answer these questions. Like it was
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: such a powerful move to see activists like that to
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: push to get those answers that they were determined to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: go And of course again we talked about the inclusion,
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: but the intersectionality of it all. The fact that we
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: have organizations with the civil rights movements when it comes
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: to the black civil rights movement, black panthers coming in
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: making sure that they are not going to be pushed
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: out of the protests coming in and understanding if no
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: one else will when it comes to the rights, that
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: if one person, one group of people, one community is
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: left behind, everything can crumble.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another piece of this that was so
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: good to see. Great to see because you know, we're
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: big proponents of intersectional feminism here and this is one
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: instance of it where we're seeing like different groups of
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: marginalized people fighting for rights, fighting for equality and equity
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: coming together recognizing like, if you don't have it, then
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: it's not right, right right, then I don't have it either.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: So that was really great to see, Like to see
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: that support that was kind of you know, asked for,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: but offered pretty openly, like yeah, all right, we'll help you,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: without the expectation of you have to give something back,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the hope you know that we'll support each other, but
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: it was it was just nice to see.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: Right and correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: the person that turned to the Black Panthers was a
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: black woman, disabled woman. She was like, I got this,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: we know where to go to. I know who will
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: have our backs, and they said yes without hesitating, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: they were the epitome of the intersectionality.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: This is where I am.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: I am a black woman with disabilities. I have hardly
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: no ability to speak for myself. We have to push
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: and I'm going to do it this way. And she
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: used her voice to bring two movements together. Of course
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: we don't see the full impact of both movements in
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: this specific documentary, but you see that this is an elevation,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: a big conversation of what true intersectionality and allyship can
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: look like. And I think it's really important to remember
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: how this has to get pushed forward. Of course, again,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: as we are going through our own moments and trying
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: to push for activism and advocacy for ourselves. It took years,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: it took decades to get to here, and it's still
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: not enough. And we want to talk about that because
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: that's exactly kind of where we sit, kind of how
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: we've seen everything unfolded, unravel and yet at one point
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: in time we see Reagan talking about how this is
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: costing too much and we need to backtrack, and oh
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: my god, you know this is not doing what you
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: think it is. It's not cost efficient. And yeah, them
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: really dismissing humans and individuals because they don't want to
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: pay out to give them the same freedom and rights
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: as those enabled bodies. And again, when I say able bodies,
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: we know that that's not permanent, and people kind of
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: forget that, as one reporter talks about she was able
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: bodied and then she was hit in a car accident
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: and lost that and realizing for the first time, oh
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: my god, I never understood, and here I am, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: to really thrive in that instead of becoming discouraged by
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: it necessarily except for the fact that that disabled communities
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: are set up to fail because they're not given equal
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: or equity in this playing field.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I thought her story.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I'm glad it was included because she was a good like.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Before and after of oh I didn't do any of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the work and now I see just to see that
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and yeah, I that's one of the things that we
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: did discuss in the ideas. So, but it's also something
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: that we've thought about a lot. I've thought about a lot,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: but living in a capitalist society, for how destructive that
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: is to be told by like the President of the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: United States, you cost too much to have your to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: have your rights, your human rights. That's too expensive. Rice
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: go away, Like that's abhorrent than disgusting and very harmful, right,
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: and it is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: It is still.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: A fight, like not at all to diminish the monumental
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  Speaker 2: things that they accomplished, which I think they would. You know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: they've been outspoken like yes, we did the ada, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: we need so much more, like right, there is still
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: so many instances where it's sort of assumed like unless
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: you complain, then just go away, Like don't don't make
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: me use money in my business, uh, to make it
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: more accessible.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's so many conversations we need to have about
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: how the capitalist ideals really really have set up many
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: people to fill most people to feel but we won't
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: necessarily go into that for this topic. But yeah, I
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: think it's interesting to see the fact that human was
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: able to work in an administration with the president of
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: the time at the time and to build that up
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: and then that position that she held is gone. Now,
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: that's how little it's accounted for today, even though they
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: have made so much stride and then have already shown
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: how much of a positive impact it can have on
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: a society as a whole when people with disabilities are
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: included and actually put on the same level as anybody
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: else to be able to be a part of this
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: decision making, this policy making, business decision making, how profitable
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: if we want to talk about it, or it's just
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: impactful it has on an environment as a whole. And
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: I think that's part of the problem is the solutions
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: that are found are given in a timetable instead of
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: being restructured to actually change permanently. And that's problem for
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: so many things. And that's why we have to keep
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: going backwards and forwards and sideways and everywhere everywhere, instead
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: of continuing upward as you would have hoped. But yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: I think it's important to see that. But it's also
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know about you seeing that them come back
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: together and having the conversation and being able to have
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: the conversation about why they fight, who they're fighting for,
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: how it's impacted them, how it's impacted their community, how
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: it can continue to impact and how they can show,
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: you know, I think we forget this so often that
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: there have been radicals and there have been revolutionaries from Jump,
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: and unfortunately we still have to look at what they
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: did to be as a reminder of how to push forward,
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: that we have to see these historical contexts for the
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: before and after and push to fight.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of the most one of the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: most parts is in my opinion, at the end when
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: they come together, they reunited the camp which is being
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: bulldozed and turned into something else, and they just have
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: really heartfelt moments with each other. But they ask each
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: other like did you ever think you were going to
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: go to Berkeley and do this? And did you ever
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: think you can go and do this? And they were
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: all like no. So I think as much work as
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: we do continue to need to do, they did accomplish
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: so much like along with the other people in the movement,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: other movements, that helps.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: It really did.
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  Speaker 2: And I was thinking about this other day about I
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: was watching some White House video and they had a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: ASL interpreter in it, and I was like, Wow, when
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: they were when they were growing up, that wasn't a
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: thing like that, right, just wasn't thought of, wasn't cared about,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and it's still a fight, absolutely, but it was it
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: was eye opening to me to see kind of the
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: like before and after.
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And that's one of the big things I
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: love that I love seeing asl for concertgoers when they
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: do shows.
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  Speaker 4: That's one of my favorite things.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, but also just as a reminder when it
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: becomes for those who are able bodied, uh, you know,
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: there's many of us with invisible disabilities and we can't
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: ignore that. And they talk about this a lot too
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: within that documentary because they understand that better than anyone
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: as well. We know that there's complex disabilities where they're
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: more than one disabilities in a person. As well as
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: the fact that they talked about trying to sustain like
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: we got to see and we didn't talk much about
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: it then what an independent living situation could have been
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: for them and how they as the disabled, were able
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: to know their needs. And I think that's something we
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: forget too often and we have to remind ourselves as
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: if we were going to be called allies again, this
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: is one of those terms I don't think we can
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: give to ourselves. It has to be given by the
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: community who is saying that you are an ally to us.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: But to be there is to remember that they are
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: in the lead and that we need to follow their lead.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Period.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: So when they say there's problems with the ADA, we
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: need to look up why and see the research that
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: they're talking about and take that on as to yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: this is a problem that they shouldn't be getting crumbs,
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: they should be getting everything as well as when we
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: see and I've seen this, we haven't talked about this
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: in TikTok. There's a debate about ASL and subtitles and
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: the intersectionality event we need to have that we need
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: to follow those in that place, in that community and
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: not take on the battle as if it's ours and
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: we know better because we don't. There's a conversation about
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: if you truly want to learn ASL, that's great, maybe
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: look to the actual deaf community who.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Are willing to teach.
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: And there are those out there who are teaching because
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: they know it best, and I think it's something that
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: we have to remember as well because we don't want
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: to be misled being taught something inappropriate. But yeah, but
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: there was that huge debate about that and also how
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: we are taking away work for those in the communities
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: who can teach much better. So so many things in
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: this that we have to be reminded of because this
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: is eye opening and it shouldn't be about pity, or
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: it shouldn't be about like watching to be a savior
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: for anyone, just but to truly understand and learn, and
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: that if we do want to be advocates to once
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: again remember they're already those out there in front, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: those are the ones that we need to look at
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: because they lived that life.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, they've been doing the work.
• 42:39
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• 42:43
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