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"Resting Bicycle Face": Bikes and Women's Rights · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so
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  Speaker 1: the Myth, the Legend, our own Penny Farthing super producer,
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  Speaker 1: mister Max Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Max Penniworth Farthington Williams, Third Esquire.
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  Speaker 3: That actually isn't too far off from my actual name.
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  Speaker 4: Huh, it's a joke. Hey, stop watches right? How many
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  Speaker 4: times a day? Once? I guess yes.
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  Speaker 1: Twice, technically twice. I am Ben Bullet. You are, mister
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  Speaker 1: Noel Brown.
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  Speaker 4: I'm only just now learning how its out time.
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  Speaker 2: I recently got my first analog watch, and I'm still
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  Speaker 2: struggling with it a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a lot of fun, and we are going
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  Speaker 1: to have a lot of fun with you today, hopefully,
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  Speaker 1: Fellow Ridiculous Historians, we are looking at one of our
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  Speaker 1: favorite contraptions ever, the bicycle, and the role it played
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  Speaker 1: in women's rights.
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  Speaker 4: I like to ride my bikes here. I like to
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  Speaker 4: ride it where I like.
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  Speaker 2: I just got back from a bike ride.
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  Speaker 4: It was nice. I love a bike. I love a bicycle.
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  Speaker 4: I also love women's rights.
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  Speaker 1: And you were definitely not on a penny farthing. You
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  Speaker 1: are on something descended from what we call the safety
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  Speaker 1: bicycle or the safeties from L eighteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds nerdy when you say like that, but I
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  Speaker 2: was wearing a helmet, I di am a safe by cyclist,
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  Speaker 2: and I was riding on a little thing we here
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  Speaker 2: in Atlanta area called the belt line, and I made
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  Speaker 2: a trader Joe's run, got some snacks, and rode on back.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the safety bicycle is part of the reason
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  Speaker 1: this is a good time because it did replace the
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  Speaker 1: penny farthing, which, in addition to looking absolutely ridiculous, is
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  Speaker 1: also pretty pretty dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: So the pity.
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  Speaker 1: Farthing was like an early adopter thing. We'll get to it.
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  Speaker 1: But what you need to know at the offset here, folks,
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  Speaker 1: is that there was a sea change in cycling and
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  Speaker 1: society with the emergence of that safety bicycle. It sparked
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  Speaker 1: what our research associate Maria calls a cycling craze in
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  Speaker 1: the United States and abroad.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, anyone who's seen someone ride a penny farthing,
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  Speaker 2: also known as the bone a bone shaker if deadwood
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  Speaker 2: is to be believed. It was actually a plot point
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  Speaker 2: in that show, not necessarily because of its danger as
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  Speaker 2: a vehicle, but it caught a chain of events that
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  Speaker 2: led to some tragic plot moving occurrences in the show.
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  Speaker 4: But if anyone's ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: Someone riding one of those, like one of those muscleman
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  Speaker 2: with the handlebar mustaches, you know, it's kind of more
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  Speaker 2: like a feat like a trick, like riding a unicycle
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  Speaker 2: or using stilts or I'm sure you know there's big
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  Speaker 2: wheel on the front, a little wheel on the back.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason people don't go to the grocery store
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  Speaker 2: on pogo sticks. It's more of flex of activity. I've actually,
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  Speaker 2: I've had the dubious pleasure of riding Penny Farthing bikes
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  Speaker 2: several times.
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  Speaker 1: They are difficult, they are not forgiving. But we do
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  Speaker 1: owe a lot of modern society's rights to the advent
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  Speaker 1: of the safety bicycle. As Maria tells us, there were
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  Speaker 1: basically three groups of women in the eighteen nineties who
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  Speaker 1: were who are part of our story here. One, there
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  Speaker 1: are people who happen to be women who just want
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  Speaker 1: to ride bikes because bikes are cool.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to ride them where they like, it's
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  Speaker 4: very freeing.
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  Speaker 2: It's honestly the invention of the original, the penny farthing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that was in and of itself a very
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  Speaker 2: freeing innovation. You know, it allowed people to ambulate without
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  Speaker 2: the use of their legs.
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  Speaker 1: And this, I like the point about freedom there, noel,
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  Speaker 1: because our second group will be actual activists, women's rights
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  Speaker 1: activist who said, hey, this bicycle is a palpable tool
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  Speaker 1: of independence. This gives us freedom, this gives us agency.
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  Speaker 1: And then the third group, the bad guys of the story,
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  Speaker 1: the baddies, the people who said women on bikes, that's
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  Speaker 1: an abomination. Next thing you know, they'll be wearing.
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  Speaker 4: Pantaloons wanting to vote right God forbid.
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  Speaker 1: So this this is our story for today, folks. The
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  Speaker 1: safety bike did play a huge role in the women's
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  Speaker 1: rights movement, and it's one that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: didn't see coming. Kind of like how hat pins became
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  Speaker 1: a tool against assault of mashers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just so all those wolf whistling, mashing men out
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  Speaker 2: there on those streets, the ladies wouldn't put up with it.
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  Speaker 4: They'd give them a jab with their hat pins.
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  Speaker 1: And now we're entering onto the stage. A group of
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  Speaker 1: people who are very harm for Rump, for Rump, something
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  Speaker 1: must be done. When faced with a female population that
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  Speaker 1: had independent transportation and was wearing pants, they were trying
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  Speaker 1: to react in an ad hominem kind of way. It
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  Speaker 1: reminds me a lot, you guys, of that strange propaganda
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  Speaker 1: we saw during COVID vaccination or wearing masks, where people
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  Speaker 1: would say, oh, if people are wearing masks, you don't
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  Speaker 1: know if their children being trafficked. This is so ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: The opposition said the reason women shouldn't ride bicycles was
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  Speaker 1: due to something that they called bicycle face.
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  Speaker 2: Is this related to like, why don't you smile more
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  Speaker 2: kind of mentality?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? Cool? Or RB clocking yeah, RBF.
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  Speaker 2: The safety bicycle, as you said, men, I, was at
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  Speaker 2: the heart of this epidemic that people were referring to
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  Speaker 2: as bicycle face, and of course replaced the penny farthing,
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  Speaker 2: which had been super popular in the eighteen seventies and
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  Speaker 2: eighteen eighties. Some models included the Aerial in eighteen seventy
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  Speaker 2: one and the very creatively and banally named the Ordinary
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  Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy eight. These types of bikes were typically
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  Speaker 2: associated with young, rich, white dudes, but men of all
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  Speaker 2: kinds were participating in this sort of like I said,
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  Speaker 2: feet of strength. These bikes could go up to a
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  Speaker 2: whopping thirty miles an hour, some say more, and the
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  Speaker 2: design was favored for this ability to pick up speed.
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  Speaker 2: But that's really where it ends. As we talked about,
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  Speaker 2: this is some really odd ball, awkward, unwieldy elements to
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  Speaker 2: the design of this thing, including the fact that the
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  Speaker 2: rider's seat, which you well know, Ben, was nearly five
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  Speaker 2: feet off of the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's one of those things where you've got
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  Speaker 1: to get a running start. I've been teaching my girlfriend's
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  Speaker 1: niece how to ride bikes, and I'm just so happy
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  Speaker 1: that the kid is not on a penny farthing. Side
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  Speaker 1: note for our fellow etymology nerds, it's got a weird name,
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  Speaker 1: the penny farthing. It's also been called the high wheel,
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  Speaker 1: but the name comes because of the size difference between
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  Speaker 1: the British penny and the farthing.
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  Speaker 4: Coins.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, penny is way bigger. That's the front wheel, and
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  Speaker 1: the farthing is a lot smaller. That's the rear wheel.
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  Speaker 4: I think we all learned something new today, Ben. I
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  Speaker 4: did not know that.
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  Speaker 2: Prior to reading Maria's excellent research brief. So as you
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  Speaker 2: can imagine, and as we've already hinted at, it was
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  Speaker 2: super dangerous and considered much more of a thrill seeking
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  Speaker 2: kind of activity, not necessarily known for its practicality. And
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  Speaker 2: many folks, if we're talking about some more etymology, would
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  Speaker 2: take a fall or a header as it was known
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  Speaker 2: and coined from this problem, literally diving headfirst over what
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  Speaker 2: are referred to as mustache handlebars. I guess people were
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  Speaker 2: making their mustaches match the handlebars.
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  Speaker 1: And also, if you please, if you get a chance,
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  Speaker 1: pull up a picture of a penny farthing. We can't
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  Speaker 1: tell you to try it at home because they are dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: And I took a few headers myself. You're going to
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  Speaker 1: see that.
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  Speaker 4: It's such a weird contraption. Because the.
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  Speaker 1: Seat of this vehicle is pretty much parallel to the handlebars,
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  Speaker 1: it is very easy to go too fast or to
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  Speaker 1: lose your balance and have a decent wampwamp. This really
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  Speaker 1: inspired or irritated a guy named John Kemp Starly. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know how many headers Starly took, but our buddy
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  Speaker 1: Johnny around eighteen eighty five said, this is malarkey. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to invent a new bicycle. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: straight seahorse teeth, and I'm going to emphasize how safe
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 4: What if we had two wheels that were the same size.
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  Speaker 1: What if we had gears, Oh my gosh, what if
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  Speaker 1: we finally tried to fix the brakes?
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  Speaker 2: For sure, big improvements in all those respects, the brakes
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  Speaker 2: and the pretty farthing.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're very, very rudimentary.
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  Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety, what was deemed, you know, in the
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  Speaker 2: zeitgeist as safeties were upgraded with pneumatic tires, which are
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  Speaker 2: very similar to the ones we know today, tires made
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  Speaker 2: of rubber that are filled with air.
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  Speaker 4: Lesson not very less.
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  Speaker 2: Boneek has another reason that that was called that for
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  Speaker 2: sure a new invention that made for a much more
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  Speaker 2: comfortable ride just in terms of traversing various types of terrain.
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  Speaker 2: It soaked up a lot of the impact, Like you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: ben So by the mid decade, bikes dropped in weight too.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you don't want to clunky bike.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone who's ridden one of those new New York City
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  Speaker 2: city bikes knows that that can be a real scary
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  Speaker 2: proposition and definitely makes it a lot less fun and zippy.
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  Speaker 2: So they dropped from about fifty pounds to twenty three,
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  Speaker 2: which was a serious glow up considering the previous bikes
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  Speaker 2: and bike like vehicles, which I honestly, I mean they
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  Speaker 2: call it the penny farthing and not the bicycle because
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  Speaker 2: it really is more of a bike like vehicle. We would, really,
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  Speaker 2: I I would argue that it is not particularly a bicycle.
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  Speaker 2: It's not till we see the safeties that we really
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  Speaker 2: start seeing what became the bicycle. Didn't Some penny farthings
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  Speaker 2: also have like two wheels in the back, I want
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  Speaker 2: to say, they were.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, there were also tripod designs, so you'd have
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  Speaker 1: two big wheels on either side of the seat and
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  Speaker 1: then you have a little wheel in the back. And
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  Speaker 1: there was there was so much research going into this
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  Speaker 1: idea of the you know, from between eighteen ninety two
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  Speaker 1: to eighteen ninety six, the industry was kind of acting
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  Speaker 1: like your favorite corporations act about AI today. There were
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  Speaker 1: so many patents going out for these bicycles. Yeah, feeding
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  Speaker 1: frenzy is not a bad way to put it. The
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  Speaker 1: two designs of what we call the safety bicycle were
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  Speaker 1: the following the original had a crossbar. In eighteen eighty eight,
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  Speaker 1: they marketed a what they called a quote unquote women's version,
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  Speaker 1: and the one for women offered a drop frame to
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  Speaker 1: accommodate skirts, because we can't have people wearing pants, right.
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  Speaker 1: And you can still see this today in very popular
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  Speaker 1: bike designs from very popular companies like Shwin.
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  Speaker 2: And it should be noted too that even today, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there are differentiations between what would be considered a women's
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  Speaker 2: bike and a men's bike. Sometimes it has to do
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  Speaker 2: with size, but sometimes it does have to do with
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  Speaker 2: certain features like the frame design and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: That drop r.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and when the first Safeties came out, similar to
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  Speaker 1: the Penny Farthing, they were pretty expensive. They cost an
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  Speaker 1: average of one hundred and fifty US bucks per product.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a time, Maria points out, when the
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  Speaker 1: average US worker was earning maybe twelve dollars a week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty serious investment for what at the
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  Speaker 2: time was probably still is kind of considered a curiosity.
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  Speaker 4: It hadn't fully taken off yet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeahs a novelty, right, and it's still the idea of
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  Speaker 1: the bicycle still sort of has its training wheels.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, So as we mentioned that the main customer at
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  Speaker 2: this point.
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  Speaker 4: Was rich white dudes.
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  Speaker 2: But there were also, of course counterparts to these rich
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  Speaker 2: and white dudes who were rich white women and they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to get on the fun too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and because there was higher demand, the economy of
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  Speaker 1: gale kicks in and all these manufacturers who have their
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  Speaker 1: proliferation of patents and their own special spin on the
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  Speaker 1: velociped they.
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  Speaker 4: What they call it in Deadwood as well.
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  Speaker 1: They say, look, we're going to compete with each other,
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  Speaker 1: so they start reducing their prices. That's a very strange
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  Speaker 1: thing to a lot of us in the United States today,
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  Speaker 1: but companies did used to do that. They made bikes
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  Speaker 1: more affordable for what they called all the riders, which
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  Speaker 1: was again, as you pointed out, bro, it's a very
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  Speaker 1: small percentage of the overall population.
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  Speaker 2: It is a good little view into just a basic
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  Speaker 2: economic microcosm of like supply and demand and how it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to work. They're supposed to be competition in these
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  Speaker 2: types of spaces rather than you know, monopolies, which can
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  Speaker 2: lead to prices lowering and or quality raising in order
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  Speaker 2: for the different manufacturers to differentiate themselves, like in the
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  Speaker 2: watch game. For example, you've got these really unattainably high
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  Speaker 2: priced watch protects FP grange, what is it, Automorpga those
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  Speaker 2: ones that are like you know, the price of a
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  Speaker 2: car or more. But they're also like decades and decades
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  Speaker 2: of development and you know, super super super refined processes
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  Speaker 2: and features, et cetera. And the more mid tier ones,
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  Speaker 2: you've got them a ton of competition because they really
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  Speaker 2: have to differentiate themselves from each other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So first off, yet to think about the complications, folks,
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  Speaker 1: which is the word for the mechanisms, which is.
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  Speaker 4: Becomes true with bikes too.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about like it is a relatively
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  Speaker 2: clockwork esque system when we're talking about gear shifts and
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  Speaker 2: how many speeds does it have? And you know, what
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  Speaker 2: are the components, Like how well manufactured and machined and
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  Speaker 2: engineered they are.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to start seeing more of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we're still in the late eighteen eighties,
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  Speaker 1: so it's let's say it's eighteen eighty nine to eighteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine. So in that decade, the number of bicycles
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  Speaker 1: that are being purchased and used has shot up from
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  Speaker 1: something like two hundred thousand to one million in the
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  Speaker 1: US alone. By eighteen ninety five, the United States has
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  Speaker 1: no less than three hundred separate bicycle companies, and if
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  Speaker 1: you average out what they were doing right during this decade,
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  Speaker 1: their safety bikes or safeties probably cost about seventy five
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  Speaker 1: dollars instead of one hundred and fifty. So the market
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  Speaker 1: was working at that time in yeah some way.
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  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And as we mentioned earlier, you know women who likely
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  Speaker 2: had a bit more free time on their hands, at
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  Speaker 2: least to the wealthy you know, spouses of wealthy businessmen
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  Speaker 2: and you know people that were working ninety fives in
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  Speaker 2: the offices or whatever the hell they were doing in
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  Speaker 2: those days. They often the women would not work, and
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  Speaker 2: so they had a lot more free time, and so
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  Speaker 2: of course it made sense that they would want some
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  Speaker 2: options of how to fill that free time, and biking
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  Speaker 2: offered a pretty great and active you know answer to that.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, And this is mobility, right, this
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  Speaker 1: is freedom. This doesn't mean you have to keep a
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  Speaker 1: horse all the time.
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  Speaker 2: And to this day, I think people really love biking
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  Speaker 2: because of some of those very same things. It's functional,
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  Speaker 2: it's functional exercise that gives you a sense of freedom
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of reasons. It turns out that motorists
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  Speaker 2: are kind of pills to bicyclists, is because they're sort
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  Speaker 2: of like, man, who does that person think he is
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  Speaker 2: being all free out there not stuck in traffic.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna be a jerk.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very pro bike and I have serious problems with
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  Speaker 1: our fair metropolis of Atlanta. You know what I'm talking about, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: is approaching bicycles.
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  Speaker 4: So we have we know.
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  Speaker 1: That there are still improvements to be made, but we
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  Speaker 1: also know that there was a culture war about bicycles
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  Speaker 1: and women riding them, especially this period of history in
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  Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. You would see names in the press
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  Speaker 1: in real muck raking journalism or real tabloid style breathless headlines,
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  Speaker 1: stuff like weeld woman, lady Cyclist, or our favorite bloomert Right,
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  Speaker 1: because if you're picturing illustrations from the news rags of
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  Speaker 1: the day, you're probably picturing ladies on bicycles wearing these.
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  Speaker 2: Big, old, fluffy pantaloon esque things that weren't quite pants,
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  Speaker 2: weren't quite dresses.
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  Speaker 4: They were bloomers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me of this is like our cravat
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  Speaker 1: conversation we've been having. It reminds me of the phrase
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  Speaker 1: harem pants. Things that look like a skirt while you're standing,
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  Speaker 1: but they move like pants because they have that division.
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  Speaker 1: We know that this is occurring in a greater context,
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  Speaker 1: a greater milieu. In eighteen seventy eight, there was a
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  Speaker 1: woman suffrage amendment proposed in US Congress. It's just what
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like. It said, Hey, should this other fifty
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  Speaker 1: percent of the population be allowed to vote? It failed,
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  Speaker 1: It did not pass until nineteen twenty. It is the
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  Speaker 1: nineteenth Amendment. And didn't think we would say this in
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  Speaker 1: this episode, but guys, shout out to Wyoming. Wyoming in
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  Speaker 1: eighteen sixty nine is the first state that allows women
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  Speaker 1: the right to vote. And you know here in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, Wyoming has a relatively conservative reputation, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Real quick.
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  Speaker 2: Shout out to the inventor of the Bloomers, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is an interesting tie in here. A
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  Speaker 2: woman named Amelia Bloomer, who was a women's rights advocate
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  Speaker 2: in the mid nineteenth century. He actually promoted the Bloomers
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  Speaker 2: as a practical alternative to the restrictive corsets and skirts
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  Speaker 2: that women were more or less required to wear, and
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  Speaker 2: it became a symbol of early reform for women's dress
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  Speaker 2: and kind of dovetailed with the women's suffrage and rights movements.
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  Speaker 2: They were used often by activists for there again for comfort,
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  Speaker 2: but also they had a symbolic aspect to them, and
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  Speaker 2: of course cyclists as well as some early nineteenth and
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: twentieth century athletes.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're seeing freedom of movement on multiple levels,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: exactly on the are the literal level and on the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: figurative larger level. In eighteen seventy five, Scotis again fumbles
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the bag. This will be very familiar to a lot
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: of our listeners in the US right now. The Supreme
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Court of the United States said, Look, the matter of
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: women voting, that's really a matter for the states. If
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the if a given state wants to say women can't vote,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: then that's fine. Because women are people. We'll give you
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that as they are citizens. But they are there is
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: a quote a special category of non voting.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Aka sub human right some degree, he's animal farm.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Everybody's equal, but some are more equal than others.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Speaking of which, bend, are you aware of this?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Apparently quite awful animated Animal Farm that has just been
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: getting shredded. It's like a CGI animated version of Animal Farm,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: weirdly helmed by Andy Serkis, who I think we're all
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: fans of, but apparently it is just absolutely misses the
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: mark on every aspect of what Animal Farm is about
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and is just like gross out humor and completely a travist.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Just antithetical. Or Well, just read the book, folks, take
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: a you know it's it's such a short read because
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: especially because Orwell comes from a journalism background, so he
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: writes with density and a clarity.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: And truer now than ever, more valid and interesting. Now,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you know, Parrot with nineteen eighty four if you really
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: want to.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Get on that. I don't want to hang out with George.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I love him as a writer, uh and I never
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: really spent a lot of time with him, but man,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: he's going to be too smug. If he came back
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: to life here, he would be insufferable. He'd be Kanye
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: West level smug and Max, we got to go to you.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: You got something here? Yeah, And I just want to know.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Andy Serkis of Claribscure Expedition thirty three fame, along with
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: other things like being dollom and whatnot. But yeah, clareupscare
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: shoutout Tonel Farms great, great.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And shout out to uh Klang or whatever his name
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: was Kran And you know in the Black Panther uh series,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Uh Andy.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah right yeah. Andy Circus also my favorite role that
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: he ever played. Well, he's not a handful of things
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: that I really enjoyed. In the film twenty four Hour
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Party People, he plays the genius and irasble, the irascible
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: genius producer of a lot of the Factory Records bands
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: there in Manchester, bands like Joy Division, and he plays
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: them great. He's a total grumpy curmudgeon. It's really really
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: great film. If you're into the history of indie music.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And while we're taking a slight diversion, folks, please give
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Andy Serkis the actor his recognition because he always reminded
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: me so his come up always reminded me of te Pain.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people looked at Tee Paid and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: didn't know the guy could really sing because he made
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the artistic choice to use auto tune. A lot of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: people say that Andy Circus uh wasn't was somehow less
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: than of an actor because he became so famous doing
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: motion capture stuff.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: But goes into that man, I mean, yeah, for sure,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: really good, much like that Doug Jones, you know, got
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: famous for playing you know, monsters and wearing heavy makeup.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: It's all about his movements and his you know, the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: nuance that he brings to that. And you know, I
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: think Andy serkis as King Kong quite moving and it
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: all has to do with the performance.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: So yes, credit where credit is.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Due, Credit where credit is due. Shout out to you
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: if you shout out to you, especially Tea Pain. If
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: anybody hasn't seen Tea Pain's Tiny Desk concert, please do
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: check it out. No auto tune. The man has the
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: voice of a spirit, it does.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, check out that Tiny Desk. It's fantastic. But back
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: to Velocipedes.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not all women are in the country of the
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: United States are lining up to buy a bike, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: not all women who wanted to bike considered themselves activist.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: You know this this is strange because history always always
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: tends to forget nuance. We have to remember that people
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: are just people, and some people just wanted to have
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: a great ride around that was faster than walking. That
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: to them, it didn't necessarily indicate some greater social shift,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: but they were all these people were existing under patriarchal society,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: descended from the Victorian era, which had a lot of misogyny,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: anti feminism stuff. They hated when women could do anything.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: They're riding a bike, what's next voting? They probably said,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: we should never have given this part of the population shoes.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: That's how they started walking around outside. That's where the
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: problem began.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: No, it's that same attitude that went into like, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: keeping slaves from learning how to read. I mean not
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: to be too aggressive about it, but it comes from
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the same place of you don't want to give them
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a taste of freedom. And as we mentioned, cycling represents
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and represented a certain kind of freedom.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and a simple bicycle therefore becomes this huge ingredient
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: in a bubbling cauldron of what this population wants and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: what they're told they cannot do. So no voting, no
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: higher education. Let's keep in mind that it wasn't until
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies or so that women in the United
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: States were allowed to have credit cards, which is weird.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Check out our episode on that from a few months
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: or years back. We've been at this for a while.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: Which is kind of funny.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: It's sort of a funny concession too, because it's not
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: like credit cards are like the best thing for anybody
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: to have, especially you know, folks who are using them
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: to achieve spending power above their means.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Edward Burnees, also involved in women's suffrage
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: as a way to sell cigarettes.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. It's sort of like a little
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: bit of a self serving concession.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And so at this time in the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: eighteen nineties, of course, women were not allowed the same
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: privileges as dudes. So you couldn't vote, you could have
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: very difficult time gain the higher education, your job opportunities
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: are quite limited.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: American law enshrine, like the legal decision of this country
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: was that if you were a woman and you were married,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: which of course they wanted you to be married, then
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you would have no legal identity distinct from your husband.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: You had to do the child and household stuff. The
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: UK tried some soft propaganda with this by calling women
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the angel of the house, So why would she ever
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: go outside? This is where we enter what we call.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: The new woman. Yeah, we don't want her to think
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: that she can have it all.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: A feminist ideal in the eighteen nineties was really represented
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: as an educated, social, active, very independent woman that was
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: dubbed coined by feminists Sarah Grand The New Woman in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: eighteen ninety four and the safety bike really hit the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: scene at an important moment for the new woman where
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: this concept challenged current cultural and gender norms along with
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of other things that were happening kind of
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in lockstep like the Bloomers. The new woman had economic independence,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: held a job, professional roles, could be highly educated, had
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: personal freedom, was physically fit and active, enjoyed playing sports
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: right alongside the men. All of these things that were
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: supported and cultivated by the bicycle and having access.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: To yeah yeah, And this idea of the new woman
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: goes across socioeconomic Boundarieseople who are working on the factory floor,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: people who are doing what they called pink collar work
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: office jobs, the feminine equivalent of a white collar job.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: These folks could all be the new woman and safeties.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: The bikes were designed with a lady's full dress at
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the time in mind, so we said, look, the skirts
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: are going to get tangled. People are going to catch
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a header. This is non ideal. Cycling didn't just encourage
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: social freedom, it encouraged physical freedom through changes in women's fashion.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: This is where we talked about Bloomers. We mentioned that
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: corsets were cartoonishly restricting, and a lot of skirts had
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: these long trains like what you might see in a
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: wedding today, and dresses with petticoats were heavy as heck.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: A person's daily dress, not even the fancy one at
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: this time, could weigh twenty five pounds, so you know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you know, these people had to wear that stuff. Their
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: hamstrings were jacked. Man, my hammies, Yeah they were barking.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Can your hammies bark your dogs? Whichever, but yeah, twenty
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: five pounds. A lot of the wire or the frames.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Of these these dresses, the hoop type skirts, they were
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: made of iron and were incredibly heavy. Just the actual
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: kind of undercarriage, I think is what they would call it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: In eighteen fifty one, Amelia Bloomer, who I mentioned previously,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: from New York, along with Elizabeth Katie Stanton, incredibly important
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: feminist activists, popularize this new fashion, the short dress over
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: loose trousers similar to pants, but they were meant to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: be worn underneath dresses. Of course, the bloomer not to
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: be too redundant, but they were. I don't think we
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: quite got to this incredibly controversial because they were just
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: too much like pants.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Ben They're too much like pants.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And while all this conversation is happening, more and more
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: people are picking up Bloomers. Maybe it is for a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: larger goal, maybe it's activism, but as Maria points out,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and I agree with her here, they probably just wanted
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to get out of those heavy, those cartoonishly heavy skirts.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: And years later, and also just to add, they were
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: initially kind of more designed as undergarments, and so there
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: was a modesty concern here, you know, from the patriarchy,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I guess, saying that they're, oh, you're wearing underwear out
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: in public.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in eighteen This all happened in eighteen fifty one.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: As we said, So if we returned back to the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: eighteen nineties, what we see is that a lot of
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: women who were fans of bicycling, again, most of them
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: at that point are going to be pretty wealthy and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: pretty white. They adopted the Bloomers because it was just
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: more practical, but it was still highly controversial. This is
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: the thing, partially, this is a big part of why
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: bicycles advanced women's rights in the United States. It meant
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that you could move without a chaperone. It meant that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you could travel by yourself, You could decide where you
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to go. If you look at a suffragist like
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Francis Willard, you'll see quotes that read the following quote.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I begin to feel that myself plus the bicycle equaled
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: myself plus the world. And there's a poetry to that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: No question, And it's something that I think we've been
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: describing all along the way, even in our own.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Relationships with bicycles, and how they can still be a
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: little bit of a sticking point to people today who
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: are like, who do you think you are out there
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and enjoying the world, you know, moving around without having
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: to be stuck in gridlock traffic. So the safety bike
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: afford a woman a socially acceptable way to Also to
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: our earlier point, b outside the home in what had
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: been a male dominated space. Now they're out there, we're
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: out here, and they were doing it on two wheels.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Enter the bad guys. Okay, the culture war begins. Why
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: they said happy holidays. These people basically yelled, what about Christmas?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: There was no shortage of tin plate propped up experts
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: quote unquote who would who would vociferously oppose the idea
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: of women on bikes? And they said, there are two
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: reasons these are so dumb. There are two reasons are one,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: what if she takes aheader, she's going to be permanently disfigured.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: No one's going to marry her. And then two, which
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: I think is the most ridiculous one. They were like, guys,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: look at the seats. These women may be having Orgasmsay right, bikes.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Oh dear heavens, how dare.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: How a lady have a good time in the United States?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, given the puritanical kind of bent
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: of the time, I could see how ladies straddling a
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: thing in public could be a victim of something like
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the male gaze, This idea of like, oh my gosh,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: this is scandalous, but it's not.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Really.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Most of these issues are not women's problems. It's problems
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: men have with women, and it's oftentimes because of how
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: much it threatens them, either you know, financially in terms
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: of their level of power and control, or oftentimes sexually.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, bro, it turns out your wife's bike is
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: better than you are at police here. That was like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the hidden concern there, and it was such a trumped
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: up malarchy thing for people to pretend to be worried about.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And doctors at the time were in hot debate in
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: public media about whether there are health benefits or harm
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: from bicycling. Some said it cured all manner of things,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and they were probably they were right ish. They were
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: wrong about some of it. They were right ish about
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a lot. It's great for it's great for staying in
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: shape in a low impact way. But they said, look
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like that means it helps with obesity, heart disease, vericose veins.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: But they also said bikey will cure your anemia and
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: your asthma and your melancholia.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I would agree with melancholia frankly. I mean, this
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: is this idea of it just being a cure for
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the blues. Sometimes getting out there and feeling the wind
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: in your hair and all that and having that sense
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: of freedom can remedy those kinds of feelings. Melancholia was
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of course, kind of a catch all term for just
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the sads back in a time where they really truly
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have much understanding of men health. But I would
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: argue that that's true. Maybe some of the more specific
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: quote nut doesn't make sense there. And when we say
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: the medical community was divided, I think we can say
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: it was divided between those members who had their hearts
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: in the right place and then the quack sector who
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: seems to be on board with big Man.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the the other bad guys.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Right, these are our.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Technically qualified doctors or their pundits, the Tucker Carlson's of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the day. They would say this is not a healthy
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: exercise for women, for the angels of the house. Bicycle
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: face is a medical condition that happens to women who
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: bit too much because when they are when they are
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: biking they're exercising, their faces wrinkle up and it makes
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: them nervous and exhausted, and it makes them look ugly
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: a kages aka smile more. It's a totally made up condition,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: but the symptoms were described in detail. Those symptoms being
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: stuff like permanent facial disfigurement, similar to when your parents
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: may have said, don't make that face. Your face might
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: stay that way forever. That comes from this bicycle face thing. Yeah,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Maria titled the document today. I like to call it
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: resting bicycle face, a precursor to the other RBF resting
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: bitch face, which is a very pejorative thing. That is
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the root of that whole smile more thing. It's this
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: idea that women owe you some sign of affection or
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: positive whatever.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: It's just it's dumb and it persists.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: M and then other symptoms would include flushed faces, you know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like the faces you make when you're exercising, bulgie eyes,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: clinched jaws, a general expression of weariness.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, to get from exertion, right.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And they never applied this bicycle face idea to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the dudes.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many examples of this stuff, and check
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: out episodes of stuff man've never told you about some
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: of these topics as well. They've they've covered this over
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the years, the idea of like the wandering womb and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: like all of these you know, hysterical women and all
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of this. There's a lot of smear campaigns specifically directed
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: by the health community at women over the years to
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: justify some pretty gnarly treatment of it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: This ultimately ends up being a moral panic, an outbreak
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of again, a culture war time tale as old as time.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: It's an example of fake health scares that were used
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: to fight against social change by people who were happy
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: with the status quo because they were at the top.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: There were other imaginary diseases when bicycle face obviously seemed malarchy,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: there were things like what they called cayphosis bicyclarum by
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: by one more type cayphosis bicyclis sterum cyclist spine.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: They did warn that cycling often left women vulnerable to
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: other general health problems such as graves disease and appendicitis. Yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: there was a publication on the BMJ that published an
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: article describing how bicycling could worsen chess problems because of
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: the position that you had to ride in, cause urethritis
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: and should be avoided by any woman suffering from pelvic mischief.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: That's my favorite term of the day, pelvic mischief.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And again we already mentioned this notion that it could
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: be a way that a woman could pleasure herself, which
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: you know, a God forbid and be ridiculous, that's very
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: inconvenient for the purposes of riding a bike. I don't
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: think anyone's out there you know, trying to get frisky
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: on a bicycle scene.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Right. I want to be very diplomatic, folks, because we
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: are a family show. But I'm we're going to share
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: this quotation with you about the orgasm concern and Noel Max,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I just cannot think that whoever was writing this was
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: having a little pervy time in their own mind. Here's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the quote. So off, Mike, I did a reading of
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: this that was too controversial.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: So we're just going to give.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: You the words is written. But I hold to what
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I'm saying without any acting or interpretation or intonation. This
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: is a really creepy thing for these guys to write,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they said, quote. The saddle can be tilted in every
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: bicycle as desired. In this way, a girl could by
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: carrying the front peak or pommel high, or by relaxing
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the stretched leather in order to let it form a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: deep like concavity which would fit itself snugly over the
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  Speaker 1: entire volva and reach up in front, bring about constant
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  Speaker 1: friction over the glytorus and labia.
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  Speaker 4: Yo. Yeah, I don't know I wrote that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know wrote well, and thankfully you know the
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  Speaker 2: the snowflake men of the day were ultimately sort of
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: calmed down a bit with the release of something called
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the anatomical saddle, which I can only imagine is something
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: like a banana seat or just like a broader seat.
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  Speaker 2: That seemed to allay some of these fears that the
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  Speaker 2: patriarchy had and make them settle down a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And we are more than happy to report that, thankfully
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: this moral panic of the bicycle face was debunked as
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  Speaker 1: it should have been. It shouldn't have started, but it
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  Speaker 1: was revealed to be or understood to be ultimately a
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  Speaker 1: self limiting fake condition. And again, thankfully, by the Earth
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  Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds, it wasn't something that people were worried about.
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  Speaker 4: Nah.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Sarah Hackett Stevenson, a prominent Chicago doctor, was among
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  Speaker 2: the group who finally, you know, put the nail in
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  Speaker 2: this particular coffin dismissing the condition. She wrote in the uh, well,
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  Speaker 2: to be fair, the phrenological journal, right, which is its
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  Speaker 2: own thing, of course, Yeah, phrenology, not quoit and also quackery.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, her heart was in the right place.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe this was just a popular journal at the time,
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  Speaker 2: because this was something that was very widely studied, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety seven that any trace of such a
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  Speaker 2: quote face would be temporary, okay and completely gone once
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  Speaker 2: a woman was proficient in riding her bike. Okay, well,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: yeah she got there, but a little circuitous route right
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  Speaker 2: ish mm hmm yep. She also wrote that cycling was,
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  Speaker 2: in fact an excellent exercise for women, and the lost
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: beauty of many delicate women may be recovered if they ride.
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  Speaker 1: They get out and exercise.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's true, the lost beauty of many delicate women.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I may be recovered. I don't agree with the framing.
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  Speaker 1: Great everybody loves a glow up and we also, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we love this story because we are all three big
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  Speaker 1: fans of bikes and cycling. Thank you again for joining
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  Speaker 1: us today, folks. We can't wait for you to hit
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  Speaker 1: the road or the belt line or the trail with
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: us on some future episodes. Also, big, big thanks to
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. Max, do you have a bicycle? I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: don't want to put you on blast, but I'm curious.
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  Speaker 4: I actually do not right now?
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  Speaker 3: I am. I'm not the big bike guy, which is funny,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Zs is a very big bike guy himself. Okay, all right,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: id of want to petting farthing after this episode, I can.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: See you rocking a bone shaker here, elies Max he
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: tried to petting farthing.
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  Speaker 4: Big fakes, of.
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  Speaker 1: Course, to Jonathan Strickland, aka the Quizter, who is probably
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  Speaker 1: the guy who will sell you a gently used penny Farley.
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  Speaker 2: M m yeah, he's got a garage full of them.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Huge thanks to research associate Maria for knocking out this
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: banger research brief for us A J Mohammad Jacobs, the Puzzler,
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  Speaker 2: cycling enthusiast Alex Williams who composed.
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  Speaker 1: Arthy Beautiful Yes, big big thanks also to doctor Rachel
• 43:32
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  Speaker 4: Hey to you as well, Ben. We'll see you next time, folks.
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