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What will the marriage law reform mean for you? With Russell Sandberg · Wedding Pros who are ready to grow - with Becca Pountney

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  So
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  there's
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  quite
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  a
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  lot
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  out
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  there.
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  But
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  as
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  you
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  say,
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  you've
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  also
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  got
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  to
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  be
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  wise
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  who's
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  saying
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  what
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  and
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  what
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  they're
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  trying
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  to
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  protect
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  and
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  what
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  vested
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  interests
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  they
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  have.
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  My
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  vested
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  interest
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  is
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  simply
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  I
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  want
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  the
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  law
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  to
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  be
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  accessible.
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  I'm
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  Becca
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  Poutney,
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  wedding
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  business
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  marketing
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  expert,
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  speaker
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  and
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  blogger,
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  and
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  you're
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  listening
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  to
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  the
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  Wedding
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  Pros
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  who
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  Are
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  Ready
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  to
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  Grow
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  podcast.
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  I'm
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  here
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  to
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  share
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  with
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  you
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  actionable
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  tips,
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  strategies
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  and
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  real
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  life
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  examples
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  to
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  help
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  you
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  take
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  your
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  wedding
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  business
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  to
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  the
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  next
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  level
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  in
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  if
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  you
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  are
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  an
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  ambitious
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  wedding
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  business
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  owner
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  that
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  wants
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  to
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  take
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  your
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  passion
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  and
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  use
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  it
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  to
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  build
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  a
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  profitable,
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  sustainable
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  business
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  doing
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  what
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  you
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  love,
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  then
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  you're
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  in
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  the
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  right
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  place.
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  Let's
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  get
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  going
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  with
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  today's
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  episode.
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  Today
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  I'm
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  chatting
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  with
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  Russell
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  Sandberg,
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  professor
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  of
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  Law
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  at
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  Cardiff
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  University.
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  His
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  particular
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  expertise
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  is
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  in
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  law
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  and
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  religion.
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  Russell
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  has
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  become
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  a
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  known
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  figure
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  in
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  the
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  world
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  of
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  celebrants
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  because
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  of
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  his
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  writing
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  and
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  involvement
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  in
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  the
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  much
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  talked
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  about
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  UK
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  marriage
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  law
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  reform.
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  Today
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  get
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  him
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  on
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  the
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  podcast
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  to
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  help
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  us
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  all
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  understand
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  what
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  this
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  reform
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  is
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  all
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  about
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  and
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  how
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  it's
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  going
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  to
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  impact
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  the
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  industry
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  here
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  in
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  the
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  uk.
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  Russell,
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  welcome
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  to
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  the
• 1:07
  podcast.
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  Thank
• 1:08
  you
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  very
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  much.
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  I'm
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  delighted
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  I'm
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  glad
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  to
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  have
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  you.
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  I
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  think
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  this
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  is
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  the
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  first
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  time
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  I've
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  ever
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  had
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  a
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  professor
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  on
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  my
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  podcast.
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  So
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  thank
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  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  taking
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  the
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  time
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  Delighted
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  to.
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  Now
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  you
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  are
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  talking
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  to
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  an
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  industry
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  full
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  of
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  creatives.
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  Here
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  we
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  are
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  florists
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  and
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  photographers
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  and
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  cake
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  makers,
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  so.
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  So
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  you
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  may
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  need
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  to
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  start
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  by
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  explaining
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  to
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  us
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  why
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  you
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  wanted
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  to
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  go
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  into
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  law,
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  because
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  that
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  is
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  a
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  long
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  way
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  from
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  most
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  of
• 1:32
  our
• 1:32
  mindsets.
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  Well,
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  like
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  most
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  things,
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  it's
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  happenstance
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  and
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  as
• 1:38
  with
• 1:38
  most
• 1:39
  things,
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  it's
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  not
• 1:40
  designed
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  because
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  that's
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  the
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  thing
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  with
• 1:42
  a
• 1:42
  career,
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  right?
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  You
• 1:43
  sort
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  of
• 1:43
  look
• 1:43
  back
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  at
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  it
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  and
• 1:44
  you
• 1:45
  can
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  make
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  this
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  sort
• 1:45
  of
• 1:46
  thread
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  and
• 1:46
  people
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  can
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  look
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  at
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  a
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  CV
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  and
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  go,
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  oh
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  yeah,
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  that's
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  the
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  thread
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  and
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  that's
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  complete
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  nonsense.
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  It's
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  basically
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  right
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  time,
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  right
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  place,
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  and
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  often
• 1:55
  defined
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  by
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  what
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  you
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  do.
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  So
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  I
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  knew
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  useless
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  at
• 1:59
  science,
• 2:00
  I
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  was
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  better
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  at
• 2:01
  sort
• 2:01
  of
• 2:02
  humanities,
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  that
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  kind
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  of
• 2:03
  thing.
• 2:03
  And
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  you
• 2:04
  know,
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  so
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  that
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  sort
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  of
• 2:05
  rules
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  out
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  sort
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  of
• 2:06
  medicine,
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  that
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  rules
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  out
• 2:07
  sort
• 2:07
  of
• 2:07
  dentistry.
• 2:08
  So
• 2:09
  what
• 2:09
  professors
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  are
• 2:10
  left
• 2:10
  with
• 2:11
  basically
• 2:12
  the
• 2:12
  law.
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  And
• 2:13
  yeah,
• 2:13
  I
• 2:13
  mean,
• 2:13
  I
• 2:14
  enjoyed
• 2:14
  the
• 2:14
  subjects.
• 2:15
  I
• 2:15
  was
• 2:15
  studied
• 2:15
  at
• 2:15
  a
• 2:15
  level
• 2:16
  and
• 2:16
  to
• 2:16
  an
• 2:16
  extent
• 2:16
  I'm
• 2:17
  still
• 2:17
  doing
• 2:17
  most
• 2:18
  of
• 2:18
  them
• 2:18
  because
• 2:19
  I
• 2:19
  studied
• 2:19
  sociology,
• 2:20
  religious
• 2:20
  studies
• 2:21
  and
• 2:21
  history
• 2:21
  and
• 2:22
  I
• 2:22
  write
• 2:22
  about
• 2:22
  all
• 2:22
  three
• 2:23
  in
• 2:23
  terms
• 2:23
  of
• 2:23
  their
• 2:23
  connection
• 2:24
  to
• 2:24
  the
• 2:24
  law.
• 2:26
  But,
• 2:26
  yeah,
• 2:26
  I've
• 2:27
  got
• 2:27
  no
• 2:27
  idea
• 2:28
  why
• 2:28
  I
• 2:28
  then
• 2:29
  sort
• 2:29
  of
• 2:29
  went,
• 2:29
  I'm
• 2:30
  off
• 2:30
  to
• 2:30
  study
• 2:30
  law.
• 2:32
  So
• 2:32
  I
• 2:32
  studied
• 2:32
  law
• 2:33
  with
• 2:33
  sociology
• 2:34
  back
• 2:34
  in
• 2:35
  the
• 2:35
  day
• 2:35
  at
• 2:35
  Cardiff
• 2:36
  and
• 2:37
  haven't
• 2:38
  moved
• 2:38
  since.
• 2:39
  Basically
• 2:40
  just
• 2:40
  become
• 2:40
  part
• 2:41
  of
• 2:41
  the
• 2:41
  furniture.
• 2:42
  And
• 2:42
  again,
• 2:42
  it's
• 2:43
  just
• 2:43
  complete
• 2:43
  happenstance
• 2:45
  that,
• 2:46
  you
• 2:46
  know,
• 2:46
  in
• 2:47
  year
• 2:47
  one,
• 2:47
  as
• 2:47
  a
• 2:48
  fresher,
• 2:49
  my
• 2:49
  personal
• 2:49
  tutor
• 2:50
  was
• 2:50
  someone
• 2:50
  who
• 2:51
  wrote
• 2:51
  about
• 2:51
  the
• 2:51
  law
• 2:51
  of
• 2:52
  the
• 2:52
  church.
• 2:52
  And
• 2:53
  so
• 2:53
  that's
• 2:53
  of
• 2:53
  triggered
• 2:54
  off
• 2:54
  an
• 2:54
  interest
• 2:54
  in
• 2:55
  terms
• 2:55
  of
• 2:55
  how
• 2:55
  the
• 2:55
  state
• 2:55
  deals
• 2:56
  with
• 2:56
  religion.
• 2:57
  And
• 2:58
  then
• 2:58
  I
• 2:58
  collaborated
• 2:59
  with
• 3:00
  a
• 3:01
  senior
• 3:01
  professor
• 3:01
  of
• 3:01
  a
• 3:02
  law
• 3:02
  school
• 3:02
  whose
• 3:03
  expertise
• 3:03
  was
• 3:03
  in
• 3:03
  family
• 3:04
  law.
• 3:04
  And
• 3:05
  so,
• 3:05
  yeah,
• 3:06
  it's
• 3:07
  just
• 3:07
  sort
• 3:07
  of.
• 3:09
  It's
• 3:09
  been
• 3:09
  a
• 3:09
  pragmatic
• 3:10
  evolution
• 3:13
  and
• 3:13
  evolution
• 3:14
  overplays
• 3:15
  in
• 3:15
  terms
• 3:15
  of
• 3:15
  your
• 3:16
  back
• 3:16
  and
• 3:16
  forth,
• 3:16
  back
• 3:17
  and
• 3:17
  forth
• 3:17
  between
• 3:17
  various
• 3:18
  different
• 3:18
  ideas.
• 3:19
  And
• 3:19
  like
• 3:19
  I
• 3:19
  say,
• 3:20
  many
• 3:20
  ways,
• 3:20
  I'm
• 3:21
  still
• 3:21
  doing
• 3:21
  exactly
• 3:21
  the
• 3:22
  same
• 3:22
  thing
• 3:22
  I
• 3:22
  was
• 3:22
  doing
• 3:22
  at
• 3:22
  the
• 3:22
  age
• 3:23
  of
• 3:23
  18,
• 3:24
  which
• 3:24
  is
• 3:25
  either
• 3:25
  great
• 3:26
  or
• 3:26
  slightly
• 3:27
  depressive.
• 3:28
  What
• 3:29
  is
• 3:29
  it,
• 3:29
  do
• 3:29
  you
• 3:29
  think
• 3:29
  about
• 3:30
  the
• 3:30
  law
• 3:31
  and
• 3:31
  religion
• 3:31
  and
• 3:31
  that
• 3:32
  intersection
• 3:32
  that
• 3:32
  is
• 3:33
  just
• 3:33
  become
• 3:34
  so
• 3:34
  interesting
• 3:35
  to
• 3:35
  you?
• 3:35
  Is
• 3:35
  there
• 3:35
  something
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  go,
• 3:36
  you
• 3:36
  know,
• 3:36
  if
• 3:36
  you
• 3:37
  were
• 3:37
  trying
• 3:37
  to
• 3:37
  pitch
• 3:37
  me
• 3:37
  on
• 3:38
  why
• 3:38
  I
• 3:38
  should
• 3:38
  be
• 3:38
  interested
• 3:39
  in
• 3:39
  law
• 3:39
  and
• 3:39
  religion,
• 3:40
  what,
• 3:40
  why?
• 3:40
  Well,
• 3:41
  I
• 3:41
  think
• 3:41
  it
• 3:41
  comes
• 3:41
  back
• 3:42
  to
• 3:42
  sort
• 3:42
  of
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  thing
• 3:43
  that
• 3:43
  really
• 3:43
  interested
• 3:44
  me
• 3:44
  at
• 3:44
  a
• 3:44
  level,
• 3:45
  I
• 3:45
  mean,
• 3:45
  we're
• 3:45
  way
• 3:46
  back
• 3:46
  now,
• 3:48
  was
• 3:48
  where
• 3:48
  I
• 3:49
  was
• 3:49
  learning
• 3:49
  about
• 3:49
  stuff
• 3:50
  which
• 3:50
  was
• 3:50
  in
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  news,
• 3:51
  which
• 3:51
  was
• 3:51
  current,
• 3:52
  which
• 3:53
  was
• 3:53
  sort
• 3:53
  of
• 3:53
  everyday.
• 3:54
  And
• 3:54
  studying
• 3:55
  law
• 3:55
  is
• 3:55
  studying
• 3:56
  everyday
• 3:56
  stuff
• 3:57
  because
• 3:57
  sort
• 3:57
  of,
• 3:57
  you
• 3:57
  know,
• 3:57
  every
• 3:58
  sort
• 3:58
  of
• 3:58
  news
• 3:58
  story
• 3:59
  has
• 3:59
  a
• 3:59
  legal
• 3:59
  dimension
• 4:00
  and
• 4:00
  your
• 4:01
  everyday
• 4:01
  life
• 4:01
  has
• 4:01
  a
• 4:02
  legal
• 4:02
  dimension
• 4:02
  too,
• 4:03
  you
• 4:03
  know,
• 4:03
  quite
• 4:03
  often.
• 4:04
  So
• 4:05
  what
• 4:05
  was
• 4:05
  interesting
• 4:06
  was,
• 4:06
  as
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  was
• 4:07
  sort
• 4:07
  of
• 4:07
  finishing
• 4:07
  my
• 4:08
  undergraduate
• 4:08
  degree
• 4:08
  and
• 4:08
  then
• 4:09
  doing
• 4:09
  my
• 4:09
  PhD,
• 4:10
  my
• 4:10
  doctorate,
• 4:12
  sort
• 4:13
  of
• 4:13
  issues
• 4:13
  concerning
• 4:14
  religion
• 4:14
  were
• 4:14
  everywhere
• 4:15
  in
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  news
• 4:15
  and
• 4:16
  issues
• 4:16
  concerning
• 4:16
  law
• 4:17
  and
• 4:17
  religion
• 4:17
  were
• 4:17
  everywhere
• 4:18
  in
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  news,
• 4:18
  in
• 4:18
  terms
• 4:19
  of
• 4:19
  wearing
• 4:19
  of
• 4:19
  Islamic
• 4:20
  dress
• 4:20
  at
• 4:20
  schools,
• 4:22
  whether
• 4:22
  or
• 4:22
  not
• 4:22
  you
• 4:22
  can
• 4:23
  discriminate
• 4:23
  on
• 4:23
  grounds
• 4:24
  of
• 4:24
  religion,
• 4:25
  whether
• 4:25
  religious
• 4:26
  people
• 4:26
  can
• 4:26
  discriminate
• 4:27
  and
• 4:27
  religious
• 4:27
  groups
• 4:28
  can
• 4:28
  discriminate
• 4:28
  on
• 4:28
  grounds
• 4:29
  of
• 4:29
  sexuality,
• 4:29
  for
• 4:30
  instance,
• 4:31
  you
• 4:32
  know,
• 4:32
  whether
• 4:32
  it's
• 4:32
  a
• 4:33
  criminal
• 4:33
  offense
• 4:33
  to
• 4:34
  blaspheme
• 4:35
  or
• 4:35
  to
• 4:36
  incite
• 4:37
  religious
• 4:38
  hatred,
• 4:39
  reforms
• 4:41
  in
• 4:41
  relation
• 4:42
  to
• 4:42
  charity
• 4:42
  law
• 4:42
  concerning
• 4:43
  religion,
• 4:43
  education
• 4:44
  law,
• 4:45
  marriage
• 4:46
  law,
• 4:46
  though
• 4:46
  not
• 4:47
  many
• 4:47
  reforms
• 4:47
  there
• 4:48
  yet,
• 4:48
  but
• 4:48
  we'll
• 4:49
  come
• 4:49
  to
• 4:49
  that
• 4:49
  shortly.
• 4:50
  But
• 4:50
  yes,
• 4:51
  it
• 4:51
  offers
• 4:52
  a
• 4:52
  different
• 4:52
  way
• 4:53
  of
• 4:53
  looking
• 4:53
  at
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  law,
• 4:54
  actually,
• 4:54
  a
• 4:55
  different
• 4:55
  way
• 4:55
  of
• 4:55
  kind
• 4:55
  of
• 4:56
  looking
• 4:56
  at
• 4:58
  current
• 4:58
  affairs.
• 4:59
  And
• 4:59
  yeah,
• 4:59
  who
• 4:59
  knows,
• 5:00
  had
• 5:00
  I
• 5:00
  been
• 5:01
  doing
• 5:01
  that
• 5:01
  sort
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  decade
• 5:02
  before,
• 5:02
  I
• 5:03
  might
• 5:03
  have
• 5:03
  been
• 5:03
  writing
• 5:03
  about
• 5:03
  something
• 5:04
  completely
• 5:04
  different.
• 5:06
  It's
• 5:06
  happenstance
• 5:08
  yeah,
• 5:08
  but
• 5:08
  it's
• 5:08
  actually
• 5:08
  really
• 5:09
  interesting
• 5:09
  because
• 5:09
  you
• 5:10
  just
• 5:10
  mentioned
• 5:10
  a
• 5:10
  lot
• 5:11
  of
• 5:11
  things
• 5:11
  that
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  would
• 5:11
  not
• 5:12
  even
• 5:12
  have
• 5:12
  considered
• 5:13
  to
• 5:14
  be
• 5:14
  connected.
• 5:15
  And
• 5:15
  actually
• 5:15
  you're
• 5:16
  right,
• 5:16
  it
• 5:16
  does.
• 5:16
  There
• 5:17
  does
• 5:17
  is
• 5:17
  a
• 5:17
  lot
• 5:17
  of
• 5:17
  intersection
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  there
• 5:18
  is
• 5:18
  a
• 5:18
  lot
• 5:19
  in
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  news
• 5:19
  about
• 5:19
  the
• 5:20
  connection
• 5:20
  between
• 5:21
  religion
• 5:21
  and
• 5:22
  law.
• 5:22
  So
• 5:22
  yeah,
• 5:23
  I
• 5:23
  can,
• 5:23
  I
• 5:23
  can
• 5:23
  see
• 5:24
  why
• 5:24
  you're
• 5:24
  interested
• 5:25
  piquing
• 5:25
  my
• 5:25
  interest
• 5:26
  already.
• 5:27
  Now
• 5:27
  let's
• 5:27
  talk
• 5:28
  about
• 5:28
  marriage
• 5:28
  then,
• 5:29
  specifically,
• 5:29
  because
• 5:29
  obviously
• 5:30
  that's
• 5:30
  what
• 5:30
  people
• 5:30
  are
• 5:31
  thinking
• 5:31
  about
• 5:32
  here.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  don't
• 5:33
  know
• 5:33
  if
• 5:33
  I'm
• 5:33
  right
• 5:33
  in
• 5:34
  this,
• 5:34
  but
• 5:34
  I
• 5:34
  read
• 5:34
  online
• 5:35
  that
• 5:35
  a
• 5:35
  lot
• 5:35
  of
• 5:35
  the
• 5:36
  marriage
• 5:36
  laws
• 5:37
  date
• 5:37
  back
• 5:37
  to
• 5:37
  something
• 5:37
  like
• 5:38
  1836.
• 5:39
  That
• 5:40
  seems
• 5:40
  like
• 5:40
  a
• 5:41
  long
• 5:41
  time
• 5:41
  ago.
• 5:41
  Yeah,
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  mean
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  actual
• 5:42
  law
• 5:43
  is
• 5:43
  found
• 5:43
  in
• 5:43
  act
• 5:44
  of
• 5:44
  Parliament,
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  Marriage
• 5:45
  Act,
• 5:45
  1949,
• 5:46
  but
• 5:46
  that
• 5:47
  act
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  Parliament
• 5:48
  basically
• 5:48
  brings
• 5:48
  together
• 5:49
  older
• 5:50
  laws.
• 5:51
  So
• 5:51
  quite
• 5:51
  a
• 5:51
  lot
• 5:51
  of
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  laws
• 5:52
  there
• 5:52
  are
• 5:52
  found
• 5:53
  are
• 5:53
  the
• 5:54
  same
• 5:54
  laws
• 5:54
  that
• 5:54
  would
• 5:54
  have
• 5:55
  applied
• 5:55
  in
• 5:55
  1836,
• 5:56
  some
• 5:56
  even
• 5:57
  earlier.
• 5:58
  And
• 5:58
  so
• 5:58
  yeah,
• 5:59
  it
• 6:00
  really
• 6:00
  is
• 6:01
  a
• 6:01
  historical
• 6:01
  construct.
• 6:03
  And
• 6:03
  actually
• 6:03
  it's
• 6:04
  exactly
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  same
• 6:05
  as
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  was
• 6:05
  saying
• 6:06
  about
• 6:06
  careers
• 6:07
  in
• 6:07
  that
• 6:07
  it's
• 6:08
  often,
• 6:09
  it's
• 6:09
  not
• 6:10
  design,
• 6:11
  it's
• 6:12
  pragmatic
• 6:13
  response,
• 6:13
  it's
• 6:13
  compromise.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:15
  so
• 6:15
  our
• 6:15
  history
• 6:15
  of
• 6:16
  marriage
• 6:16
  law
• 6:16
  is
• 6:17
  the
• 6:17
  history
• 6:17
  of
• 6:17
  compromise
• 6:18
  in
• 6:19
  terms
• 6:19
  of,
• 6:19
  you
• 6:19
  know,
• 6:19
  originally
• 6:20
  saying,
• 6:21
  right,
• 6:21
  okay,
• 6:21
  we
• 6:22
  need
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  formalize
• 6:22
  this.
• 6:23
  And
• 6:23
  we
• 6:23
  need
• 6:23
  to
• 6:23
  formalize
• 6:24
  this
• 6:24
  by
• 6:24
  saying
• 6:24
  you've
• 6:25
  got
• 6:25
  to
• 6:25
  get
• 6:25
  married
• 6:25
  in
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  Church
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  England
• 6:27
  church.
• 6:27
  Oh,
• 6:27
  hang
• 6:27
  on
• 6:27
  a
• 6:28
  minute.
• 6:28
  What
• 6:28
  about
• 6:28
  Jews?
• 6:29
  Oh
• 6:29
  yes,
• 6:29
  of
• 6:30
  course
• 6:30
  we're
• 6:30
  allowed
• 6:30
  Jews.
• 6:31
  What
• 6:32
  about
• 6:32
  Quakers?
• 6:32
  Of
• 6:32
  course
• 6:32
  we're
• 6:33
  allowed
• 6:33
  Quakers.
• 6:33
  And
• 6:33
  then
• 6:34
  time
• 6:34
  goes
• 6:34
  on.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:35
  what
• 6:35
  about
• 6:36
  other
• 6:36
  forms
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  Christianity
• 6:37
  which
• 6:37
  are
• 6:37
  now
• 6:38
  starting
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  become
• 6:38
  lawful
• 6:39
  again?
• 6:40
  Oh
• 6:40
  yes,
• 6:40
  okay,
• 6:41
  we'll
• 6:41
  find
• 6:41
  ways
• 6:42
  to
• 6:42
  deal
• 6:42
  with
• 6:42
  them,
• 6:43
  but
• 6:43
  we'll
• 6:43
  deal
• 6:43
  with
• 6:44
  them
• 6:44
  differently.
• 6:45
  How
• 6:45
  we've
• 6:45
  dealt
• 6:45
  with
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  Church
• 6:46
  of
• 6:46
  England,
• 6:47
  how
• 6:47
  we
• 6:47
  dealt
• 6:47
  with
• 6:47
  Jews,
• 6:48
  how
• 6:48
  we've
• 6:48
  dealt
• 6:48
  with
• 6:48
  Quakers.
• 6:49
  So
• 6:49
  actually
• 6:51
  what
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  history
• 6:51
  of
• 6:51
  our
• 6:52
  marriage
• 6:52
  law
• 6:52
  shows
• 6:53
  is
• 6:54
  that
• 6:55
  changing
• 6:55
  the
• 6:56
  law,
• 6:56
  adapting
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  law,
• 6:57
  modernizing
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  law
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  fit
• 7:00
  change
• 7:00
  in
• 7:00
  social
• 7:01
  needs
• 7:02
  has
• 7:02
  been
• 7:02
  the
• 7:03
  norm.
• 7:03
  And
• 7:04
  actually
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  last
• 7:05
  80
• 7:05
  years
• 7:06
  or
• 7:06
  so
• 7:07
  has
• 7:07
  been
• 7:07
  atypical
• 7:08
  because
• 7:08
  yes,
• 7:09
  there
• 7:09
  have
• 7:09
  been
• 7:09
  pieces
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  law
• 7:10
  reform,
• 7:11
  most
• 7:11
  notably
• 7:12
  same
• 7:12
  sex
• 7:12
  marriage,
• 7:13
  but
• 7:14
  that
• 7:14
  has
• 7:14
  just
• 7:15
  been
• 7:15
  sort
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  copy
• 7:16
  and
• 7:16
  pasted
• 7:17
  into
• 7:17
  existing
• 7:18
  laws
• 7:19
  rather
• 7:19
  than
• 7:20
  going
• 7:20
  back
• 7:20
  to
• 7:21
  change
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  foundations.
• 7:24
  And
• 7:25
  most
• 7:25
  countries
• 7:26
  when
• 7:26
  they
• 7:26
  and
• 7:27
  most
• 7:27
  of
• 7:27
  our
• 7:27
  neighboring
• 7:27
  countries
• 7:28
  when
• 7:28
  they
• 7:28
  introduce
• 7:29
  same
• 7:29
  sex
• 7:29
  marriage,
• 7:30
  used
• 7:30
  as
• 7:31
  an
• 7:31
  opportunity
• 7:31
  to
• 7:32
  modernize
• 7:32
  their
• 7:32
  marriage
• 7:33
  laws.
• 7:33
  England
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  Wales
• 7:34
  went,
• 7:35
  no,
• 7:35
  we're
• 7:36
  not
• 7:36
  doing
• 7:36
  that.
• 7:37
  That's
• 7:37
  far
• 7:37
  too
• 7:38
  complicated.
• 7:38
  There's
• 7:39
  far
• 7:39
  too
• 7:39
  many
• 7:39
  vested
• 7:40
  interests
• 7:41
  in
• 7:41
  that.
• 7:42
  We
• 7:42
  will
• 7:42
  just
• 7:43
  copy
• 7:43
  and
• 7:43
  Paste
• 7:43
  stuff
• 7:43
  from
• 7:44
  existing
• 7:44
  marriage
• 7:44
  law
• 7:45
  and
• 7:45
  build
• 7:45
  the
• 7:46
  civil
• 7:46
  partnership
• 7:47
  and
• 7:47
  then
• 7:48
  same
• 7:48
  sex
• 7:48
  marriage
• 7:49
  on
• 7:49
  top
• 7:50
  of
• 7:50
  this
• 7:50
  already
• 7:51
  rickety
• 7:53
  ancient
• 7:54
  structure.
• 7:55
  That
• 7:55
  makes
• 7:55
  perfect
• 7:56
  sense
• 7:56
  to
• 7:56
  me.
• 7:56
  So
• 7:56
  we've
• 7:57
  basically
• 7:57
  just
• 7:57
  been
• 7:57
  patching
• 7:58
  it
• 7:58
  up
• 7:58
  all
• 7:58
  of
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  time.
• 7:59
  Oh
• 7:59
  yeah,
• 7:59
  we'll
• 7:59
  just
• 8:00
  add
• 8:00
  that
• 8:00
  patch
• 8:00
  and
• 8:00
  we'll
• 8:00
  just
• 8:01
  add
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  patch.
• 8:01
  But
• 8:02
  actually
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  thing
• 8:02
  as
• 8:02
  a
• 8:03
  whole
• 8:03
  isn't
• 8:04
  really
• 8:04
  working
• 8:04
  or
• 8:04
  is
• 8:05
  a
• 8:05
  bit
• 8:05
  outdated
• 8:05
  and
• 8:06
  not
• 8:06
  fit
• 8:06
  for
• 8:06
  purpose.
• 8:07
  So
• 8:07
  then
• 8:07
  talk
• 8:07
  to
• 8:08
  me
• 8:08
  about
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  marriage
• 8:09
  law
• 8:09
  reform,
• 8:10
  because
• 8:10
  that's
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  thing
• 8:11
  that
• 8:11
  wedding
• 8:11
  industry
• 8:12
  people
• 8:12
  are
• 8:12
  hearing
• 8:13
  about
• 8:13
  now.
• 8:13
  It's
• 8:14
  been
• 8:14
  talked
• 8:14
  about,
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  believe
• 8:14
  it's
• 8:15
  been
• 8:15
  talked
• 8:15
  about
• 8:15
  for
• 8:16
  quite
• 8:16
  a
• 8:16
  while,
• 8:16
  but
• 8:17
  it
• 8:17
  seems
• 8:17
  to
• 8:17
  suddenly
• 8:18
  have
• 8:18
  re
• 8:18
  entered
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  public
• 8:19
  sphere
• 8:20
  again
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  little
• 8:21
  bit
• 8:21
  more
• 8:21
  widely.
• 8:22
  What
• 8:23
  is
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  aim
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  that?
• 8:24
  Is
• 8:24
  it
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  take
• 8:25
  it
• 8:25
  back
• 8:25
  to
• 8:26
  basics
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  rebuild
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  whole
• 8:27
  thing
• 8:27
  or
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  it
• 8:28
  just
• 8:28
  another
• 8:28
  patch?
• 8:29
  It's
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  rebuild
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  whole
• 8:31
  thing.
• 8:31
  It's
• 8:31
  comprehensive
• 8:32
  law
• 8:32
  reform
• 8:33
  to
• 8:33
  look
• 8:33
  again
• 8:34
  really
• 8:34
  and
• 8:35
  to
• 8:35
  change
• 8:35
  the
• 8:36
  underlying
• 8:38
  premise
• 8:38
  of
• 8:39
  our
• 8:39
  law.
• 8:40
  Because
• 8:40
  our
• 8:40
  underlying
• 8:41
  premise
• 8:41
  of
• 8:42
  our
• 8:42
  law
• 8:42
  at
• 8:42
  the
• 8:42
  moment
• 8:43
  is
• 8:43
  buildings
• 8:44
  based
• 8:45
  on.
• 8:45
  So
• 8:46
  under
• 8:46
  The
• 8:46
  Marriage
• 8:47
  Act
• 8:47
  1949,
• 8:48
  in
• 8:48
  order
• 8:48
  there
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  be
• 8:49
  a
• 8:49
  legally
• 8:49
  binding
• 8:50
  marriage,
• 8:51
  it
• 8:51
  has
• 8:51
  to
• 8:51
  be
• 8:52
  either
• 8:52
  a
• 8:52
  civil
• 8:52
  marriage
• 8:53
  in
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  registry
• 8:54
  office
• 8:54
  or
• 8:54
  approved
• 8:55
  premises,
• 8:56
  or
• 8:56
  Church
• 8:56
  of
• 8:57
  England
• 8:57
  marriage,
• 8:57
  or
• 8:58
  Quaker
• 8:58
  marriage,
• 8:58
  or
• 8:59
  Jewish
• 8:59
  marriage,
• 9:00
  or
• 9:00
  religious
• 9:01
  marriage
• 9:01
  in
• 9:02
  a
• 9:02
  registered
• 9:02
  place
• 9:03
  of
• 9:03
  worship.
• 9:04
  And
• 9:05
  that
• 9:05
  obviously
• 9:05
  excludes
• 9:07
  non
• 9:07
  religious
• 9:08
  marriages
• 9:09
  in
• 9:09
  terms
• 9:09
  of
• 9:10
  humanist
• 9:10
  marriages,
• 9:11
  independent
• 9:12
  celebrant
• 9:12
  marriages.
• 9:13
  It
• 9:13
  also
• 9:14
  excludes
• 9:14
  quite
• 9:14
  a
• 9:14
  lot
• 9:15
  of
• 9:15
  religious
• 9:15
  marriages
• 9:16
  because
• 9:17
  they
• 9:17
  don't
• 9:17
  always
• 9:17
  occur
• 9:18
  in
• 9:19
  a
• 9:19
  place
• 9:19
  of
• 9:19
  worship.
• 9:20
  So
• 9:21
  the
• 9:21
  problem
• 9:21
  has
• 9:21
  been
• 9:22
  that
• 9:22
  our
• 9:22
  law
• 9:22
  hasn't
• 9:23
  kept
• 9:23
  up
• 9:23
  to
• 9:23
  date
• 9:24
  with
• 9:24
  these
• 9:24
  significant
• 9:25
  changes.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:27
  so
• 9:27
  all
• 9:27
  those
• 9:28
  weddings
• 9:28
  are
• 9:28
  not
• 9:29
  legally
• 9:29
  binding
• 9:30
  unless
• 9:30
  and
• 9:30
  until
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  couple
• 9:32
  also
• 9:33
  go
• 9:33
  through
• 9:33
  the
• 9:34
  legal
• 9:34
  formality.
• 9:35
  So
• 9:35
  that
• 9:35
  basically
• 9:36
  means
• 9:36
  two
• 9:36
  ceremonies
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  medicinal
• 9:39
  cost.
• 9:39
  And
• 9:40
  there's
• 9:40
  quite
• 9:40
  a
• 9:40
  lot
• 9:41
  of
• 9:41
  data
• 9:42
  which
• 9:42
  shows
• 9:43
  that
• 9:43
  in
• 9:43
  some
• 9:43
  communities
• 9:44
  it's
• 9:44
  also
• 9:45
  misunderstood.
• 9:46
  So
• 9:46
  for
• 9:46
  instance,
• 9:47
  in
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  Islamic
• 9:47
  community
• 9:48
  it's
• 9:48
  often
• 9:48
  misunderstood.
• 9:49
  And
• 9:49
  so
• 9:49
  they
• 9:50
  think
• 9:50
  they
• 9:50
  are
• 9:50
  legally
• 9:51
  married
• 9:51
  and
• 9:52
  that
• 9:52
  becomes
• 9:52
  a
• 9:53
  problem
• 9:53
  if
• 9:54
  and
• 9:54
  when
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  relationship
• 9:55
  breaks
• 9:55
  down
• 9:56
  and
• 9:56
  suddenly
• 9:57
  they
• 9:57
  don't
• 9:57
  have
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  rights
• 9:58
  on
• 9:58
  divorce
• 9:58
  which
• 9:59
  they
• 9:59
  normally
• 9:59
  would
• 9:59
  have
• 10:00
  because
• 10:00
  there's
• 10:01
  no
• 10:01
  legal
• 10:01
  marriage
• 10:02
  to
• 10:02
  divorce.
• 10:04
  So
• 10:05
  over
• 10:05
  the
• 10:06
  last
• 10:06
  decade
• 10:07
  or
• 10:07
  so
• 10:07
  there's
• 10:08
  been
• 10:08
  moves
• 10:08
  for
• 10:09
  marriage
• 10:09
  reform.
• 10:10
  They
• 10:11
  were
• 10:11
  originally
• 10:12
  spearheaded
• 10:12
  by
• 10:12
  the
• 10:13
  humanists.
• 10:14
  And
• 10:14
  the
• 10:14
  humanists
• 10:15
  wanted
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  kind
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  piecemeal
• 10:17
  reform,
• 10:18
  the
• 10:18
  kind
• 10:18
  of
• 10:18
  pact
• 10:19
  we
• 10:19
  just
• 10:19
  talked
• 10:20
  about.
• 10:20
  And
• 10:21
  they
• 10:21
  lobbied
• 10:22
  parliament
• 10:23
  in
• 10:24
  the
• 10:24
  government
• 10:24
  in
• 10:24
  the
• 10:25
  same
• 10:25
  sex
• 10:25
  marriage
• 10:25
  legislation
• 10:26
  in
• 10:27
  2012.
• 10:28
  And
• 10:28
  they
• 10:29
  basically
• 10:29
  got
• 10:30
  two
• 10:30
  things.
• 10:31
  They
• 10:31
  got
• 10:32
  parliament
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  agree
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  it's
• 10:33
  in
• 10:33
  the
• 10:34
  act
• 10:34
  that
• 10:34
  there
• 10:35
  would
• 10:35
  be
• 10:35
  A
• 10:35
  consultation
• 10:36
  on
• 10:36
  humanist
• 10:36
  marriage.
• 10:37
  And
• 10:37
  then
• 10:38
  there's
• 10:38
  a
• 10:38
  power
• 10:39
  which
• 10:39
  allows
• 10:39
  a
• 10:40
  government
• 10:40
  minister
• 10:40
  to
• 10:41
  enact
• 10:41
  humanist
• 10:42
  marriage.
• 10:43
  Now,
• 10:43
  one
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  those
• 10:44
  things
• 10:44
  have
• 10:44
  come
• 10:45
  to
• 10:45
  pass,
• 10:45
  the
• 10:45
  other
• 10:46
  thing
• 10:46
  hasn't.
• 10:47
  So
• 10:47
  the
• 10:47
  consultation
• 10:48
  took
• 10:48
  place
• 10:48
  and
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  consultation
• 10:49
  came
• 10:50
  out
• 10:50
  basically
• 10:50
  with
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  view.
• 10:52
  Yes,
• 10:52
  but
• 10:52
  it's
• 10:53
  complicated.
• 10:53
  And
• 10:54
  so
• 10:54
  what
• 10:54
  they
• 10:55
  then
• 10:55
  said
• 10:55
  was,
• 10:55
  there's
• 10:56
  a
• 10:56
  need
• 10:56
  for
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  Law
• 10:57
  Commission,
• 10:58
  which
• 10:58
  is
• 10:58
  a
• 10:58
  body
• 10:59
  in
• 10:59
  England
• 10:59
  and
• 11:00
  Wales
• 11:00
  that
• 11:00
  looks
• 11:00
  at
• 11:00
  areas
• 11:01
  of
• 11:01
  law
• 11:01
  which
• 11:01
  are
• 11:01
  in
• 11:02
  need
• 11:02
  of
• 11:02
  reform.
• 11:03
  It's
• 11:03
  sort
• 11:04
  of
• 11:04
  headed
• 11:04
  up
• 11:04
  by
• 11:04
  commissioners,
• 11:05
  often
• 11:05
  sort
• 11:06
  of
• 11:06
  academics,
• 11:07
  who
• 11:07
  are
• 11:07
  sort
• 11:08
  of
• 11:09
  assigned
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  it
• 11:11
  for
• 11:11
  a
• 11:11
  particular
• 11:11
  period
• 11:12
  of
• 11:12
  time.
• 11:13
  And
• 11:13
  so
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  Law
• 11:14
  Commission
• 11:14
  then
• 11:15
  brought
• 11:15
  out
• 11:15
  a
• 11:15
  consultation
• 11:16
  paper,
• 11:17
  a
• 11:17
  scoping
• 11:17
  paper
• 11:18
  originally,
• 11:18
  then
• 11:18
  a
• 11:18
  consultation
• 11:19
  paper,
• 11:19
  then
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  final
• 11:20
  paper.
• 11:20
  And
• 11:21
  as
• 11:21
  you
• 11:21
  can
• 11:21
  imagine,
• 11:22
  this
• 11:22
  all
• 11:22
  takes
• 11:23
  years.
• 11:24
  And
• 11:24
  so
• 11:25
  they
• 11:25
  then
• 11:26
  came
• 11:27
  out
• 11:27
  very,
• 11:27
  very
• 11:28
  clearly
• 11:28
  in
• 11:28
  their
• 11:28
  final
• 11:29
  report
• 11:29
  in
• 11:29
  2022
• 11:30
  and
• 11:30
  said
• 11:30
  there
• 11:31
  needs
• 11:31
  to
• 11:31
  be
• 11:31
  a
• 11:32
  move
• 11:32
  from
• 11:33
  buildings
• 11:34
  regulating
• 11:35
  buildings
• 11:35
  to
• 11:35
  regulating
• 11:36
  people.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  that
• 11:37
  would
• 11:37
  open
• 11:37
  the
• 11:38
  door
• 11:38
  to
• 11:39
  humanist
• 11:39
  celebrants,
• 11:40
  that
• 11:40
  would
• 11:40
  open
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  door
• 11:41
  to
• 11:41
  independent
• 11:41
  celebrants,
• 11:42
  that
• 11:43
  would
• 11:43
  open
• 11:43
  the
• 11:43
  door
• 11:44
  to
• 11:44
  religious
• 11:45
  marriages
• 11:45
  outside
• 11:46
  of
• 11:47
  religious
• 11:48
  buildings.
• 11:49
  And
• 11:49
  then
• 11:50
  the
• 11:50
  thing,
• 11:51
  the
• 11:51
  Law
• 11:51
  Commission
• 11:52
  publishes
• 11:52
  a
• 11:52
  report
• 11:53
  and
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  government
• 11:54
  then
• 11:54
  needs
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  respond
• 11:55
  in
• 11:55
  six
• 11:56
  months.
• 11:56
  That's
• 11:56
  part
• 11:57
  of
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  deal.
• 11:58
  Well,
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  Conservative
• 12:00
  government
• 12:00
  never
• 12:01
  responded,
• 12:03
  so
• 12:03
  nothing
• 12:04
  happened
• 12:04
  for
• 12:04
  years.
• 12:05
  Then
• 12:05
  Labour
• 12:06
  came
• 12:06
  to
• 12:06
  power
• 12:06
  and
• 12:08
  they
• 12:09
  in
• 12:09
  opposition,
• 12:10
  were
• 12:10
  keen
• 12:10
  on
• 12:11
  it,
• 12:11
  it
• 12:11
  has
• 12:11
  to
• 12:11
  be
• 12:12
  said,
• 12:12
  and
• 12:12
  were
• 12:12
  pressing
• 12:13
  the
• 12:14
  Conservatives
• 12:14
  on
• 12:14
  it.
• 12:15
  So
• 12:15
  vacant
• 12:16
  to
• 12:16
  power
• 12:16
  amendment,
• 12:16
  and
• 12:16
  said,
• 12:17
  yes,
• 12:17
  this
• 12:17
  is
• 12:17
  something
• 12:17
  we
• 12:18
  want
• 12:18
  to
• 12:18
  look
• 12:18
  into.
• 12:20
  But
• 12:20
  obviously
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  Law
• 12:21
  Commission's
• 12:22
  final
• 12:22
  report
• 12:22
  was
• 12:22
  only
• 12:22
  500
• 12:23
  pages
• 12:23
  long.
• 12:24
  It's
• 12:24
  a
• 12:24
  huge
• 12:24
  technical
• 12:25
  document
• 12:26
  about
• 12:26
  how
• 12:26
  you
• 12:26
  could
• 12:27
  do
• 12:27
  this.
• 12:29
  So
• 12:29
  they've
• 12:29
  taken
• 12:29
  their
• 12:30
  time,
• 12:30
  understandably,
• 12:31
  as
• 12:31
  we
• 12:32
  said,
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  get
• 12:32
  their
• 12:32
  heads
• 12:33
  around
• 12:33
  it.
• 12:34
  And
• 12:34
  then
• 12:35
  about
• 12:36
  a
• 12:36
  fortnight
• 12:37
  or
• 12:37
  so
• 12:37
  ago,
• 12:39
  just
• 12:39
  out
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  blue,
• 12:40
  there
• 12:40
  was
• 12:41
  a
• 12:41
  press
• 12:41
  release
• 12:41
  from
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  Ministry
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  Justice
• 12:43
  saying,
• 12:43
  yes,
• 12:44
  we
• 12:44
  are
• 12:44
  going
• 12:44
  to
• 12:44
  move
• 12:44
  on
• 12:45
  this.
• 12:45
  Yes,
• 12:45
  we're
• 12:45
  going
• 12:45
  to
• 12:45
  follow
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  Law
• 12:46
  Commission,
• 12:46
  yes,
• 12:47
  we're
• 12:47
  going
• 12:47
  for
• 12:47
  comprehensive
• 12:48
  reform.
• 12:49
  Yes,
• 12:49
  we're
• 12:49
  trying
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  solve
• 12:50
  those
• 12:50
  issues,
• 12:51
  which
• 12:51
  I've
• 12:51
  just
• 12:51
  explained.
• 12:52
  In
• 12:52
  terms
• 12:52
  of
• 12:52
  humanist
• 12:53
  marriage,
• 12:54
  in
• 12:54
  terms
• 12:54
  of
• 12:55
  religious
• 12:55
  marriages,
• 12:56
  they
• 12:56
  didn't
• 12:56
  mention
• 12:57
  independent
• 12:57
  celebrants
• 12:58
  or
• 12:58
  they
• 12:58
  did
• 12:59
  not
• 12:59
  mention
• 12:59
  independent
• 13:00
  celebrants,
• 13:00
  if
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  see
• 13:00
  what
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  mean.
• 13:01
  We
• 13:01
  can
• 13:02
  get
• 13:02
  into
• 13:02
  that
• 13:03
  if
• 13:03
  you
• 13:03
  want.
• 13:05
  And
• 13:06
  they
• 13:06
  said,
• 13:06
  right,
• 13:06
  okay,
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  next
• 13:07
  step
• 13:07
  now
• 13:07
  is
• 13:08
  another
• 13:08
  consultation
• 13:10
  next
• 13:10
  year,
• 13:11
  but
• 13:11
  this
• 13:11
  will
• 13:12
  now
• 13:12
  be
• 13:12
  presumably
• 13:13
  a
• 13:13
  consultation
• 13:13
  on
• 13:14
  the
• 13:14
  actual
• 13:16
  proposals
• 13:17
  rather
• 13:17
  than
• 13:17
  on
• 13:18
  the
• 13:18
  problem,
• 13:18
  which
• 13:18
  is
• 13:18
  what
• 13:18
  we've
• 13:19
  had
• 13:19
  up
• 13:19
  until
• 13:19
  now.
• 13:20
  So
• 13:20
  there
• 13:20
  will
• 13:20
  be
• 13:21
  a
• 13:21
  consultation
• 13:22
  once
• 13:22
  there's
• 13:23
  a
• 13:23
  consultation,
• 13:24
  depending
• 13:24
  on
• 13:24
  the
• 13:25
  results
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  that,
• 13:26
  then
• 13:27
  there
• 13:27
  will
• 13:27
  be
• 13:27
  a
• 13:27
  bill
• 13:28
  put
• 13:29
  forward
• 13:29
  if
• 13:30
  and
• 13:30
  when
• 13:30
  there
• 13:30
  is
• 13:31
  time.
• 13:32
  So,
• 13:32
  you
• 13:32
  know,
• 13:32
  we're
• 13:33
  not
• 13:33
  looking
• 13:33
  for
• 13:33
  an
• 13:33
  immediate
• 13:34
  change
• 13:34
  here.
• 13:35
  We're
• 13:36
  not
• 13:36
  looking
• 13:36
  for
• 13:36
  something
• 13:36
  we
• 13:37
  sort
• 13:37
  of,
• 13:37
  you
• 13:37
  know,
• 13:37
  in
• 13:37
  terms
• 13:37
  of
• 13:38
  this
• 13:38
  is
• 13:38
  going
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  affect
• 13:38
  couples
• 13:40
  who
• 13:40
  are
• 13:40
  looking
• 13:40
  to
• 13:41
  get
• 13:41
  married
• 13:41
  in
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  short
• 13:41
  term,
• 13:42
  unless
• 13:42
  they're
• 13:42
  looking
• 13:42
  for
• 13:42
  a
• 13:43
  very
• 13:43
  long
• 13:43
  engagement,
• 13:44
  it's
• 13:45
  probably
• 13:45
  not
• 13:45
  an
• 13:45
  issue
• 13:47
  will
• 13:47
  engage
• 13:47
  them,
• 13:48
  but
• 13:48
  it
• 13:48
  is
• 13:49
  an
• 13:49
  issue
• 13:49
  which
• 13:49
  should
• 13:49
  engage
• 13:50
  stakeholders
• 13:51
  in
• 13:52
  terms
• 13:52
  of
• 13:52
  this
• 13:53
  will
• 13:53
  make
• 13:53
  the
• 13:53
  law
• 13:53
  much
• 13:53
  clearer.
• 13:55
  This
• 13:55
  will
• 13:57
  save
• 13:57
  couples
• 13:58
  money
• 13:58
  in
• 13:59
  terms
• 13:59
  of
• 13:59
  not
• 13:59
  having
• 13:59
  to
• 14:00
  do
• 14:00
  it
• 14:00
  twice
• 14:01
  effectively
• 14:02
  and
• 14:04
  will
• 14:04
  have
• 14:05
  quite
• 14:06
  sort
• 14:06
  of
• 14:06
  significant
• 14:07
  effects.
• 14:08
  And
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  key,
• 14:09
  key,
• 14:09
  key
• 14:09
  thing
• 14:09
  I
• 14:10
  think
• 14:10
  is
• 14:10
  that
• 14:10
  the
• 14:11
  press
• 14:11
  release
• 14:12
  from
• 14:12
  the
• 14:12
  Ministry
• 14:13
  of
• 14:13
  Justice
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  couple
• 14:13
  of
• 14:13
  weeks
• 14:13
  ago
• 14:14
  was
• 14:14
  framed
• 14:14
  in
• 14:14
  this
• 14:14
  very
• 14:15
  much
• 14:15
  in
• 14:15
  economic
• 14:15
  terms
• 14:16
  because
• 14:16
  they'll
• 14:17
  say
• 14:17
  no,
• 14:17
  this
• 14:17
  is
• 14:17
  going
• 14:17
  to
• 14:18
  liberalize
• 14:19
  things.
• 14:19
  This
• 14:19
  is
• 14:19
  going
• 14:20
  to
• 14:20
  allow
• 14:20
  marriages
• 14:21
  on
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  beach
• 14:21
  which
• 14:22
  are
• 14:22
  legally
• 14:22
  binding,
• 14:22
  etc.
• 14:23
  And
• 14:23
  so
• 14:24
  the
• 14:24
  more
• 14:24
  that
• 14:24
  the
• 14:25
  wedding
• 14:25
  community
• 14:25
  can
• 14:26
  get
• 14:26
  behind
• 14:26
  it,
• 14:27
  the
• 14:27
  more
• 14:28
  likelihood
• 14:28
  a
• 14:29
  of
• 14:29
  it
• 14:30
  getting
• 14:30
  through
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  consultation
• 14:31
  phase
• 14:32
  because
• 14:32
  there
• 14:32
  are
• 14:32
  people
• 14:33
  with
• 14:33
  vested
• 14:33
  interests
• 14:34
  who
• 14:34
  don't
• 14:34
  want
• 14:34
  this
• 14:34
  to
• 14:34
  go
• 14:35
  through
• 14:35
  and
• 14:38
  there
• 14:38
  was
• 14:38
  a
• 14:38
  lot
• 14:38
  of
• 14:39
  opposition
• 14:39
  to
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  law
• 14:39
  commission
• 14:40
  stuff
• 14:41
  and
• 14:41
  those
• 14:41
  voices
• 14:42
  will
• 14:42
  come
• 14:42
  out
• 14:42
  again
• 14:43
  here.
• 14:44
  So
• 14:44
  that'll
• 14:44
  be
• 14:44
  an
• 14:44
  important
• 14:45
  period
• 14:45
  of
• 14:45
  time
• 14:46
  and
• 14:46
  then
• 14:46
  apply
• 14:47
  in
• 14:47
  the
• 14:47
  presser
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  go,
• 14:48
  look,
• 14:48
  you
• 14:49
  want
• 14:49
  to
• 14:49
  do
• 14:49
  this,
• 14:49
  we
• 14:50
  want
• 14:50
  you
• 14:50
  to
• 14:50
  do
• 14:50
  this.
• 14:50
  When
• 14:51
  will
• 14:51
  you
• 14:51
  do
• 14:51
  this,
• 14:51
  please?
• 14:52
  Okay,
• 14:53
  so
• 14:53
  basically
• 14:54
  it's
• 14:54
  a
• 14:54
  very
• 14:54
  long,
• 14:55
  complicated
• 14:56
  process
• 14:56
  that
• 14:56
  doesn't
• 14:57
  happen
• 14:57
  quickly.
• 14:58
  Takes
• 14:58
  a
• 14:58
  lot
• 14:58
  of
• 14:59
  time,
• 14:59
  a
• 14:59
  lot
• 14:59
  of
• 15:00
  years,
• 15:00
  a
• 15:01
  lot
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  knowledge.
• 15:02
  And
• 15:02
  then
• 15:02
  when
• 15:02
  they
• 15:02
  put
• 15:03
  out
• 15:03
  a
• 15:03
  press
• 15:03
  release,
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  industry
• 15:04
  goes
• 15:05
  into
• 15:05
  a
• 15:05
  tailspin
• 15:05
  because
• 15:06
  they
• 15:06
  don't
• 15:06
  really
• 15:06
  understand
• 15:07
  it.
• 15:07
  That's
• 15:07
  what
• 15:07
  I've
• 15:08
  seen
• 15:08
  happen
• 15:09
  over
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  last
• 15:09
  couple
• 15:10
  of
• 15:10
  weeks
• 15:10
  and
• 15:10
  I
• 15:10
  think
• 15:10
  you
• 15:11
  beautifully
• 15:11
  explained
• 15:12
  it
• 15:12
  there
• 15:13
  especially,
• 15:13
  especially
• 15:14
  with
• 15:14
  regards
• 15:14
  to
• 15:15
  independent
• 15:15
  celebrants,
• 15:16
  because
• 15:16
  as
• 15:16
  you
• 15:16
  said,
• 15:16
  they
• 15:17
  weren't
• 15:17
  mentioned.
• 15:18
  But
• 15:18
  they
• 15:18
  also,
• 15:19
  you
• 15:19
  know,
• 15:19
  they
• 15:20
  weren't
• 15:20
  mentioned.
• 15:20
  It
• 15:20
  doesn't
• 15:20
  mean
• 15:21
  anything
• 15:21
  for
• 15:21
  or
• 15:22
  against
• 15:22
  them.
• 15:22
  They
• 15:23
  just
• 15:23
  weren't
• 15:23
  in
• 15:23
  there.
• 15:24
  Which
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  know
• 15:25
  did
• 15:25
  cause
• 15:26
  some
• 15:26
  concern
• 15:27
  for
• 15:27
  some
• 15:27
  of
• 15:28
  them
• 15:28
  as
• 15:28
  well.
• 15:29
  So
• 15:30
  let's
• 15:30
  look
• 15:30
  at
• 15:30
  what's
• 15:30
  going
• 15:31
  on
• 15:31
  in
• 15:31
  other
• 15:31
  countries.
• 15:32
  Is
• 15:32
  this
• 15:32
  the
• 15:32
  same
• 15:33
  model,
• 15:33
  having
• 15:33
  the
• 15:33
  idea
• 15:34
  that
• 15:34
  you,
• 15:34
  you
• 15:35
  give
• 15:35
  the
• 15:36
  approval
• 15:36
  to
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  person
• 15:37
  rather
• 15:37
  than
• 15:37
  the
• 15:37
  building?
• 15:37
  Is
• 15:38
  that
• 15:38
  what
• 15:38
  they
• 15:38
  do
• 15:38
  in
• 15:38
  America?
• 15:39
  Is
• 15:39
  that
• 15:39
  what
• 15:39
  they
• 15:39
  do
• 15:39
  in
• 15:39
  Australia?
• 15:41
  I
• 15:41
  don't
• 15:42
  know
• 15:42
  if
• 15:42
  Tom,
• 15:42
  in
• 15:42
  about
• 15:42
  those
• 15:43
  two
• 15:43
  jurisdictions
• 15:44
  because
• 15:44
  it
• 15:44
  varies
• 15:44
  by
• 15:45
  significant
• 15:45
  significantly
• 15:46
  depend
• 15:46
  on
• 15:47
  the
• 15:47
  country
• 15:47
  and
• 15:47
  depend
• 15:48
  on
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  legal
• 15:48
  system.
• 15:49
  But
• 15:49
  that's
• 15:50
  what
• 15:50
  they
• 15:50
  do
• 15:50
  in
• 15:50
  our
• 15:51
  neighboring
• 15:52
  jurisdictions
• 15:53
  now.
• 15:53
  So
• 15:53
  that's
• 15:53
  what
• 15:53
  they
• 15:54
  do
• 15:55
  in
• 15:55
  Scotland,
• 15:56
  that's
• 15:56
  what
• 15:56
  they
• 15:57
  do
• 15:57
  in
• 15:57
  the
• 15:57
  Jersey
• 15:57
  islands,
• 15:58
  et
• 15:58
  cetera,
• 15:58
  et
• 15:58
  cetera,
• 15:59
  et
• 15:59
  cetera.
• 16:00
  Things
• 16:00
  are
• 16:00
  very
• 16:00
  different
• 16:01
  on
• 16:01
  the
• 16:01
  continent
• 16:02
  because
• 16:03
  on
• 16:03
  the
• 16:03
  continent
• 16:03
  they've
• 16:04
  got
• 16:05
  well
• 16:05
  entrenched
• 16:06
  this
• 16:06
  two
• 16:06
  ceremony
• 16:07
  idea
• 16:08
  where,
• 16:09
  you
• 16:09
  know,
• 16:09
  there
• 16:09
  is
• 16:09
  the
• 16:10
  state
• 16:10
  ceremony
• 16:11
  and
• 16:11
  then
• 16:12
  the
• 16:12
  religious
• 16:13
  or
• 16:13
  other
• 16:13
  ceremony.
• 16:15
  And
• 16:15
  so,
• 16:15
  you
• 16:15
  know,
• 16:15
  I
• 16:16
  was
• 16:16
  at
• 16:16
  a
• 16:16
  conference
• 16:17
  this
• 16:17
  summer
• 16:17
  about
• 16:18
  something
• 16:18
  else,
• 16:18
  some
• 16:19
  sort
• 16:19
  of
• 16:19
  overconference
• 16:20
  meal.
• 16:21
  Someone
• 16:21
  was
• 16:21
  asking,
• 16:22
  you
• 16:22
  know,
• 16:22
  what
• 16:22
  else
• 16:23
  are
• 16:23
  you
• 16:23
  working
• 16:23
  on?
• 16:23
  I
• 16:23
  was
• 16:24
  talking
• 16:24
  about
• 16:24
  marriage
• 16:25
  reform
• 16:26
  and
• 16:26
  they
• 16:26
  just
• 16:27
  didn't
• 16:27
  get
• 16:27
  it.
• 16:28
  And
• 16:28
  sort
• 16:28
  of,
• 16:28
  it
• 16:28
  was
• 16:29
  literally
• 16:29
  sort
• 16:29
  of
• 16:29
  a
• 16:29
  minute
• 16:30
  into
• 16:30
  the
• 16:30
  conversation
• 16:30
  I
• 16:31
  raised.
• 16:31
  I
• 16:31
  get
• 16:31
  the
• 16:31
  reason
• 16:32
  why
• 16:32
  you're
• 16:32
  not
• 16:32
  getting
• 16:32
  this
• 16:33
  is
• 16:33
  because
• 16:34
  for
• 16:34
  you
• 16:34
  this
• 16:34
  is
• 16:35
  not
• 16:35
  a
• 16:35
  problem,
• 16:35
  this
• 16:35
  is
• 16:36
  your
• 16:36
  norm.
• 16:38
  And
• 16:38
  you
• 16:38
  know,
• 16:39
  if
• 16:39
  we
• 16:39
  were
• 16:40
  starting
• 16:40
  from
• 16:40
  scratch,
• 16:41
  that
• 16:41
  might
• 16:41
  be
• 16:41
  what
• 16:42
  we'd
• 16:42
  go
• 16:42
  for
• 16:43
  in
• 16:44
  terms
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  simplicity,
• 16:45
  but
• 16:46
  we're
• 16:46
  not
• 16:46
  starting
• 16:47
  from
• 16:47
  scratch.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:47
  you
• 16:47
  can't
• 16:48
  start
• 16:48
  taking
• 16:48
  rights
• 16:49
  away
• 16:49
  from
• 16:49
  people
• 16:50
  and
• 16:51
  away
• 16:51
  from
• 16:51
  organizations.
• 16:52
  I
• 16:53
  mean,
• 16:53
  vested
• 16:54
  interests
• 16:54
  are
• 16:54
  kicking
• 16:55
  off
• 16:55
  enough
• 16:55
  as
• 16:55
  it
• 16:55
  is
• 16:56
  without
• 16:56
  actually
• 16:57
  taking
• 16:57
  away
• 16:59
  the
• 16:59
  right
• 17:00
  to
• 17:00
  legally
• 17:00
  marry
• 17:01
  people.
• 17:02
  So,
• 17:02
  yeah,
• 17:03
  it's
• 17:03
  common.
• 17:04
  And
• 17:04
  one
• 17:04
  of
• 17:04
  the
• 17:05
  good
• 17:05
  things
• 17:05
  about
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  law
• 17:05
  Commission's
• 17:06
  report
• 17:07
  is
• 17:07
  it
• 17:07
  does
• 17:07
  look
• 17:07
  at
• 17:07
  other
• 17:08
  jurisdictions.
• 17:09
  My
• 17:10
  book
• 17:10
  on
• 17:10
  the
• 17:10
  topic
• 17:10
  actually
• 17:11
  does
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  same
• 17:11
  in
• 17:12
  terms
• 17:12
  of
• 17:12
  neighboring
• 17:12
  jurisdictions
• 17:13
  because
• 17:14
  it
• 17:14
  looks
• 17:14
  at
• 17:16
  how
• 17:16
  then
• 17:17
  you
• 17:17
  can
• 17:17
  actually
• 17:18
  put
• 17:18
  these
• 17:19
  ideas
• 17:20
  into
• 17:20
  legislation
• 17:21
  because
• 17:21
  it
• 17:21
  goes
• 17:22
  well,
• 17:22
  okay,
• 17:23
  what
• 17:23
  have
• 17:23
  they
• 17:23
  done
• 17:23
  about
• 17:24
  this
• 17:24
  in
• 17:25
  Scotland?
• 17:26
  What
• 17:26
  have
• 17:26
  they
• 17:26
  done
• 17:26
  about
• 17:26
  this
• 17:26
  in
• 17:27
  Ireland?
• 17:28
  If
• 17:29
  we
• 17:29
  merge
• 17:29
  those
• 17:29
  two
• 17:30
  together,
• 17:30
  we
• 17:30
  can
• 17:30
  get
• 17:30
  something
• 17:31
  that
• 17:31
  suits
• 17:32
  us.
• 17:32
  Where
• 17:33
  a
• 17:34
  couple
• 17:34
  of
• 17:34
  countries
• 17:34
  have
• 17:35
  come
• 17:35
  unstuck,
• 17:35
  and
• 17:36
  this
• 17:36
  is
• 17:36
  where
• 17:36
  Scotland
• 17:36
  have
• 17:37
  come
• 17:37
  slightly
• 17:37
  unstuck,
• 17:38
  is
• 17:38
  they
• 17:38
  haven't
• 17:39
  recognized
• 17:39
  independent
• 17:40
  celebrants.
• 17:41
  And
• 17:41
  what
• 17:42
  that
• 17:42
  has
• 17:42
  meant
• 17:42
  is
• 17:43
  that
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  lot
• 17:43
  of
• 17:43
  independent
• 17:44
  celebrants
• 17:46
  have
• 17:46
  become
• 17:46
  humanist
• 17:48
  north
• 17:48
  of
• 17:49
  border
• 17:49
  in
• 17:49
  order
• 17:50
  to
• 17:50
  get
• 17:50
  legal
• 17:50
  recognition.
• 17:51
  And
• 17:52
  so
• 17:52
  that's
• 17:52
  one
• 17:52
  of
• 17:53
  the
• 17:53
  reasons
• 17:53
  why
• 17:53
  we
• 17:54
  wanted
• 17:54
  to
• 17:54
  try
• 17:55
  and
• 17:55
  get
• 17:55
  something
• 17:55
  a
• 17:55
  bit
• 17:55
  more
• 17:56
  sort
• 17:56
  of
• 17:56
  broader
• 17:58
  and
• 17:59
  fairer
• 18:00
  here.
• 18:01
  Because
• 18:01
  otherwise
• 18:02
  you're
• 18:03
  just
• 18:03
  removing
• 18:03
  one
• 18:04
  discrimination,
• 18:04
  replace
• 18:05
  it
• 18:05
  with
• 18:05
  another.
• 18:06
  And
• 18:07
  in
• 18:07
  terms
• 18:07
  of
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  question
• 18:08
  of
• 18:08
  what
• 18:08
  is
• 18:08
  a
• 18:08
  non
• 18:09
  religious
• 18:09
  belief
• 18:09
  or
• 18:10
  what
• 18:10
  is
• 18:10
  a
• 18:10
  humanist
• 18:11
  belief,
• 18:12
  that's
• 18:13
  quite
• 18:13
  a
• 18:13
  soft
• 18:13
  border.
• 18:14
  And
• 18:15
  so
• 18:15
  that
• 18:15
  can
• 18:15
  lead
• 18:16
  to,
• 18:17
  as
• 18:18
  I
• 18:18
  say,
• 18:18
  issues
• 18:19
  there.
• 18:19
  So
• 18:20
  explain
• 18:20
  it
• 18:20
  to
• 18:20
  me
• 18:21
  then
• 18:21
  in
• 18:21
  simple
• 18:22
  to
• 18:22
  understand
• 18:22
  terms
• 18:23
  because
• 18:23
  I
• 18:23
  have
• 18:23
  heard
• 18:23
  people
• 18:24
  say,
• 18:24
  well,
• 18:24
  if
• 18:24
  I'm
• 18:24
  independent,
• 18:25
  I'll
• 18:25
  just
• 18:25
  have
• 18:25
  to
• 18:25
  become
• 18:26
  a
• 18:26
  humanist.
• 18:26
  But
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  don't
• 18:27
  agree
• 18:27
  with
• 18:27
  what
• 18:27
  the
• 18:27
  humanists
• 18:28
  do.
• 18:28
  So
• 18:28
  what
• 18:29
  is
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  difference?
• 18:30
  What
• 18:30
  makes
• 18:30
  someone
• 18:31
  a
• 18:31
  humanist
• 18:32
  celebrant
• 18:32
  or
• 18:32
  what
• 18:33
  makes
• 18:33
  someone
• 18:33
  an
• 18:33
  independent
• 18:34
  celebrant?
• 18:35
  Well,
• 18:35
  the
• 18:35
  difference
• 18:35
  is
• 18:35
  the
• 18:36
  humanism
• 18:37
  if
• 18:37
  it's
• 18:37
  Humanist
• 18:38
  uk,
• 18:40
  is
• 18:41
  aligning
• 18:41
  yourself
• 18:42
  to
• 18:42
  a
• 18:42
  particular
• 18:43
  organization,
• 18:43
  a
• 18:44
  particular
• 18:44
  belief
• 18:44
  system.
• 18:45
  So
• 18:45
  a
• 18:45
  humanist
• 18:46
  belief
• 18:46
  system
• 18:47
  is
• 18:47
  a
• 18:47
  belief
• 18:48
  system
• 18:48
  which
• 18:48
  is
• 18:48
  not
• 18:49
  religious,
• 18:51
  whereas
• 18:52
  independent
• 18:52
  celebrants
• 18:53
  are
• 18:53
  offering
• 18:53
  ceremonies
• 18:54
  which
• 18:54
  are
• 18:55
  utterly
• 18:55
  bespoke
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  the
• 18:56
  individuals
• 18:57
  and
• 18:58
  are
• 18:58
  not
• 18:58
  aligned
• 18:58
  to
• 18:59
  any
• 19:01
  traditional
• 19:02
  from
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  perspective
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  the
• 19:03
  celibate.
• 19:04
  So
• 19:04
  that's,
• 19:05
  that's,
• 19:05
  that's
• 19:05
  effectively
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  difference.
• 19:07
  I
• 19:07
  mean,
• 19:08
  you
• 19:08
  know,
• 19:08
  in
• 19:09
  relation
• 19:09
  to
• 19:09
  particular
• 19:09
  ceremonies,
• 19:10
  it
• 19:10
  might
• 19:10
  be
• 19:10
  difficult
• 19:11
  to
• 19:11
  actually
• 19:11
  spot.
• 19:13
  But,
• 19:13
  you
• 19:13
  know,
• 19:13
  as
• 19:14
  I
• 19:14
  say,
• 19:14
  a
• 19:14
  humanist
• 19:15
  celebrant
• 19:15
  is
• 19:15
  coming
• 19:16
  from
• 19:16
  a
• 19:16
  particular
• 19:17
  belief
• 19:18
  perspective
• 19:19
  in
• 19:19
  the
• 19:19
  same
• 19:19
  way
• 19:19
  that
• 19:20
  a
• 19:20
  Catholic
• 19:20
  priest
• 19:21
  would
• 19:21
  come
• 19:21
  from
• 19:21
  a
• 19:21
  particular
• 19:22
  belief
• 19:22
  perspective.
• 19:23
  The
• 19:23
  difference
• 19:23
  being,
• 19:25
  I
• 19:25
  suppose,
• 19:26
  how
• 19:26
  sort
• 19:27
  of
• 19:27
  mainstream
• 19:29
  those
• 19:29
  beliefs
• 19:30
  are,
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  know,
• 19:31
  and,
• 19:31
  and
• 19:33
  that
• 19:33
  there
• 19:33
  is
• 19:33
  a
• 19:33
  difference
• 19:34
  between
• 19:34
  them.
• 19:35
  And
• 19:35
  it
• 19:35
  is
• 19:36
  not
• 19:37
  ideal
• 19:37
  to
• 19:37
  have
• 19:37
  to
• 19:38
  kind
• 19:38
  of
• 19:38
  say
• 19:38
  you're
• 19:39
  a
• 19:39
  humanist
• 19:39
  celebrant
• 19:40
  when
• 19:40
  you're
• 19:40
  not
• 19:40
  in
• 19:41
  order
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  get
• 19:41
  legal
• 19:41
  recognition.
• 19:42
  Yeah,
• 19:42
  absolutely
• 19:43
  not.
• 19:43
  And
• 19:43
  I
• 19:44
  do
• 19:44
  hope
• 19:44
  that
• 19:44
  they
• 19:44
  will
• 19:45
  recognize
• 19:45
  independence
• 19:46
  as
• 19:46
  well.
• 19:47
  If
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  are
• 19:48
  a
• 19:48
  humanist
• 19:48
  celebrant,
• 19:49
  and
• 19:49
  I
• 19:50
  don't
• 19:50
  know
• 19:50
  if
• 19:50
  you
• 19:50
  know
• 19:50
  the
• 19:50
  answer
• 19:50
  to
• 19:51
  this,
• 19:51
  but
• 19:51
  are
• 19:51
  there
• 19:51
  restrictions
• 19:52
  on
• 19:52
  what
• 19:53
  you
• 19:53
  can
• 19:53
  do
• 19:53
  in
• 19:54
  a
• 19:54
  ceremony?
• 19:54
  Because
• 19:54
  I
• 19:55
  know
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  lot
• 19:55
  of
• 19:55
  independent
• 19:55
  ceremony
• 19:56
  celebrants.
• 19:56
  One
• 19:56
  of
• 19:56
  the
• 19:57
  key
• 19:57
  things
• 19:58
  is
• 19:58
  that
• 19:58
  they
• 19:58
  can
• 19:58
  bring
• 19:59
  in
• 19:59
  different
• 19:59
  religious
• 20:00
  elements
• 20:00
  that
• 20:00
  maybe
• 20:01
  registrars
• 20:01
  can't,
• 20:02
  even
• 20:02
  if
• 20:02
  they're
• 20:02
  in
• 20:02
  a
• 20:03
  different
• 20:03
  place.
• 20:04
  If
• 20:04
  they
• 20:04
  were
• 20:04
  to
• 20:05
  say,
• 20:05
  oh
• 20:05
  no,
• 20:05
  I'm
• 20:05
  going
• 20:05
  to
• 20:06
  be
• 20:06
  a
• 20:06
  humanist,
• 20:06
  because
• 20:06
  that's
• 20:07
  what
• 20:07
  the
• 20:07
  law
• 20:07
  might
• 20:07
  recognize,
• 20:08
  will
• 20:09
  that
• 20:09
  restrict
• 20:09
  them
• 20:10
  from
• 20:10
  doing
• 20:10
  that
• 20:10
  or
• 20:10
  are
• 20:10
  they
• 20:11
  still
• 20:11
  free
• 20:11
  to
• 20:11
  do
• 20:11
  what
• 20:11
  they
• 20:11
  like?
• 20:12
  Well,
• 20:12
  it
• 20:12
  would
• 20:12
  depend
• 20:13
  on
• 20:13
  how
• 20:13
  the
• 20:13
  law
• 20:14
  was
• 20:14
  framed.
• 20:15
  But
• 20:15
  the
• 20:16
  way
• 20:16
  in
• 20:16
  which
• 20:17
  the
• 20:18
  law
• 20:18
  commission
• 20:18
  is
• 20:18
  recommending
• 20:19
  it
• 20:19
  is
• 20:20
  that
• 20:20
  if
• 20:20
  your
• 20:20
  human
• 20:20
  is
• 20:21
  celebrant,
• 20:22
  you
• 20:22
  would
• 20:23
  be
• 20:23
  regulated
• 20:25
  by
• 20:25
  the
• 20:25
  state,
• 20:26
  but
• 20:26
  you
• 20:26
  would
• 20:26
  also
• 20:27
  be
• 20:27
  regulated
• 20:27
  by
• 20:29
  the
• 20:29
  body,
• 20:30
  Humanist
• 20:31
  uk.
• 20:31
  So
• 20:32
  that
• 20:32
  would
• 20:32
  be
• 20:32
  a
• 20:32
  question
• 20:33
  for
• 20:33
  them
• 20:33
  in
• 20:33
  terms
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  what
• 20:34
  they
• 20:34
  are
• 20:34
  willing
• 20:35
  to
• 20:35
  permit
• 20:36
  to
• 20:36
  go
• 20:36
  out
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  their
• 20:36
  name,
• 20:37
  if
• 20:37
  that
• 20:37
  makes
• 20:38
  sense.
• 20:39
  So,
• 20:40
  you
• 20:40
  know,
• 20:40
  I
• 20:41
  know
• 20:41
  it.
• 20:41
  Humanism
• 20:42
  is
• 20:42
  a
• 20:42
  broad
• 20:42
  church,
• 20:44
  no
• 20:44
  pun
• 20:44
  intended
• 20:45
  there,
• 20:45
  but
• 20:47
  quite
• 20:48
  how
• 20:48
  brutal
• 20:48
  England
• 20:49
  is
• 20:50
  the
• 20:50
  question.
• 20:51
  And
• 20:51
  I
• 20:51
  mean,
• 20:51
  you
• 20:52
  know,
• 20:52
  and
• 20:52
  a
• 20:52
  lot
• 20:52
  of
• 20:52
  this
• 20:53
  also
• 20:53
  comes
• 20:53
  down
• 20:54
  to
• 20:54
  the
• 20:54
  sort
• 20:55
  of
• 20:55
  the
• 20:56
  local
• 20:56
  level.
• 20:57
  So
• 20:57
  I
• 20:57
  remember
• 20:57
  a
• 20:57
  few
• 20:58
  years
• 20:58
  ago
• 20:58
  going
• 20:58
  to
• 20:59
  a,
• 21:00
  what
• 21:00
  I
• 21:00
  was
• 21:00
  told
• 21:01
  was
• 21:01
  a
• 21:01
  humanist
• 21:02
  funeral
• 21:03
  in
• 21:04
  the
• 21:04
  South
• 21:04
  Wales
• 21:05
  Valleys
• 21:05
  and
• 21:06
  turned
• 21:06
  up
• 21:06
  and
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  celebrant
• 21:08
  was
• 21:09
  clearly
• 21:09
  also
• 21:10
  the
• 21:10
  chapel
• 21:10
  minister,
• 21:11
  because
• 21:11
  you
• 21:11
  could
• 21:12
  tell
• 21:12
  that
• 21:12
  just
• 21:13
  by
• 21:13
  the
• 21:13
  way
• 21:13
  he
• 21:13
  spoke,
• 21:14
  right?
• 21:14
  He
• 21:14
  had
• 21:14
  that
• 21:15
  sort
• 21:15
  of,
• 21:15
  you
• 21:15
  know,
• 21:15
  Welsh
• 21:16
  chapel
• 21:16
  minister
• 21:18
  vibe
• 21:18
  going
• 21:18
  on
• 21:19
  and
• 21:20
  he
• 21:20
  was
• 21:20
  basically
• 21:21
  just
• 21:21
  doing
• 21:22
  a
• 21:22
  Christian
• 21:23
  light
• 21:23
  version
• 21:24
  of
• 21:24
  what
• 21:24
  he
• 21:24
  would
• 21:24
  normally
• 21:25
  do.
• 21:26
  And
• 21:26
  so
• 21:26
  sort
• 21:27
  of
• 21:27
  halfway
• 21:27
  through,
• 21:27
  we
• 21:27
  started
• 21:28
  talking
• 21:28
  about
• 21:28
  God.
• 21:29
  I
• 21:29
  was
• 21:29
  like,
• 21:29
  hang
• 21:29
  on
• 21:29
  a
• 21:30
  minute.
• 21:30
  This
• 21:30
  is
• 21:30
  not
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  humanist
• 21:31
  underbrand,
• 21:33
  humanist
• 21:34
  funeral.
• 21:34
  So
• 21:34
  yeah,
• 21:35
  I
• 21:35
  think,
• 21:35
  you
• 21:35
  know,
• 21:36
  my
• 21:36
  perspective
• 21:37
  and
• 21:38
  others
• 21:38
  disagree
• 21:38
  on
• 21:39
  this,
• 21:39
  but
• 21:39
  my
• 21:39
  perspective
• 21:40
  is
• 21:40
  that
• 21:41
  as
• 21:41
  long
• 21:41
  as
• 21:41
  there's
• 21:42
  checks
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  balances
• 21:43
  in
• 21:43
  place
• 21:43
  in
• 21:43
  the
• 21:44
  system,
• 21:44
  I
• 21:45
  think
• 21:45
  you
• 21:45
  should
• 21:45
  go
• 21:45
  as
• 21:46
  broad
• 21:46
  as
• 21:46
  possible
• 21:46
  in
• 21:47
  terms
• 21:47
  of
• 21:47
  who
• 21:47
  could
• 21:48
  conduct.
• 21:49
  And,
• 21:49
  you
• 21:49
  know,
• 21:49
  I
• 21:50
  think
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  if
• 21:50
  you're,
• 21:50
  if
• 21:51
  you're
• 21:51
  concerned
• 21:51
  with
• 21:52
  protecting
• 21:52
  and
• 21:53
  allowing
• 21:54
  people
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  manifest
• 21:55
  their
• 21:55
  beliefs
• 21:56
  through
• 21:57
  the
• 21:57
  question
• 21:58
  of
• 21:58
  how
• 21:58
  they
• 21:58
  get
• 21:59
  married
• 21:59
  and
• 21:59
  who
• 21:59
  marries
• 22:00
  them,
• 22:00
  then
• 22:01
  there's
• 22:01
  no
• 22:01
  limit
• 22:02
  on
• 22:02
  that.
• 22:02
  And
• 22:03
  sort
• 22:03
  of,
• 22:03
  you
• 22:03
  know,
• 22:03
  I
• 22:04
  see
• 22:04
  no
• 22:04
  problem
• 22:04
  in
• 22:05
  terms
• 22:05
  of,
• 22:05
  you
• 22:05
  know,
• 22:06
  people
• 22:06
  getting
• 22:06
  married
• 22:07
  on
• 22:07
  a
• 22:07
  football
• 22:07
  pitch
• 22:08
  by
• 22:09
  someone
• 22:09
  from
• 22:09
  the
• 22:10
  football
• 22:10
  organization.
• 22:12
  You
• 22:13
  know,
• 22:13
  to
• 22:13
  me
• 22:14
  that
• 22:14
  is
• 22:14
  a
• 22:14
  sign
• 22:15
  of
• 22:15
  their
• 22:15
  belief
• 22:16
  in
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  same
• 22:16
  way
• 22:16
  as
• 22:17
  a
• 22:17
  couple
• 22:17
  at
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  altar
• 22:18
  in
• 22:19
  the
• 22:19
  parish
• 22:19
  church.
• 22:20
  Yeah.
• 22:20
  And
• 22:20
  also
• 22:21
  from
• 22:21
  my
• 22:21
  perspective,
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  think
• 22:22
  it
• 22:22
  should
• 22:23
  be
• 22:23
  able
• 22:23
  to
• 22:23
  be
• 22:23
  the
• 22:24
  other
• 22:24
  way.
• 22:24
  So
• 22:24
  as
• 22:25
  a
• 22:25
  Christian
• 22:25
  myself,
• 22:26
  I
• 22:26
  should
• 22:26
  be
• 22:26
  able
• 22:26
  to
• 22:27
  get
• 22:27
  married
• 22:27
  on
• 22:28
  a
• 22:28
  football
• 22:28
  pitch
• 22:29
  with
• 22:29
  a
• 22:29
  Christian
• 22:30
  ceremony.
• 22:30
  Whereas
• 22:31
  actually
• 22:31
  if
• 22:31
  you
• 22:31
  want
• 22:31
  a
• 22:32
  Christian
• 22:32
  ceremony,
• 22:33
  you're
• 22:33
  pretty
• 22:33
  restricted
• 22:34
  to
• 22:34
  getting
• 22:34
  married
• 22:34
  in
• 22:35
  a
• 22:35
  Christian
• 22:35
  place
• 22:35
  of
• 22:36
  worship.
• 22:36
  And
• 22:37
  you
• 22:37
  can't
• 22:37
  get
• 22:37
  married
• 22:37
  in
• 22:37
  a,
• 22:38
  a
• 22:38
  beautiful
• 22:38
  venue
• 22:39
  because
• 22:39
  then
• 22:39
  you
• 22:39
  can't
• 22:39
  have
• 22:40
  the
• 22:40
  religious
• 22:40
  aspects.
• 22:41
  And
• 22:41
  so
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  think
• 22:41
  it
• 22:42
  does,
• 22:42
  it
• 22:42
  works
• 22:43
  both
• 22:43
  ways
• 22:43
  for
• 22:43
  everyone.
• 22:44
  I
• 22:44
  think
• 22:44
  there's
• 22:44
  a
• 22:44
  lot
• 22:44
  of
• 22:44
  misunderstanding
• 22:46
  about
• 22:46
  it.
• 22:46
  I
• 22:46
  remember
• 22:47
  my
• 22:47
  sister
• 22:47
  getting
• 22:48
  married
• 22:48
  and
• 22:49
  she
• 22:49
  grew
• 22:49
  up
• 22:49
  in
• 22:49
  the
• 22:50
  church
• 22:50
  but
• 22:50
  doesn't
• 22:50
  go
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  church
• 22:51
  anymore.
• 22:51
  And
• 22:52
  so
• 22:52
  she
• 22:52
  wanted,
• 22:53
  you
• 22:53
  know,
• 22:53
  more
• 22:53
  of
• 22:53
  a
• 22:54
  state
• 22:54
  type
• 22:54
  wedding.
• 22:55
  But
• 22:55
  she
• 22:55
  did
• 22:55
  want
• 22:55
  my
• 22:56
  grandparents
• 22:56
  to
• 22:56
  be
• 22:57
  able
• 22:57
  to
• 22:57
  say
• 22:57
  some
• 22:57
  prayers
• 22:58
  because
• 22:58
  she
• 22:58
  knew
• 22:58
  that
• 22:58
  would
• 22:59
  mean
• 22:59
  a
• 22:59
  lot
• 22:59
  to
• 22:59
  them.
• 23:00
  And
• 23:00
  so
• 23:00
  she
• 23:00
  went
• 23:01
  down
• 23:01
  the
• 23:01
  route
• 23:01
  of
• 23:01
  an
• 23:01
  independent
• 23:02
  celebrant
• 23:02
  and
• 23:02
  getting
• 23:02
  married
• 23:03
  in
• 23:03
  a
• 23:03
  registry
• 23:03
  office,
• 23:04
  but
• 23:04
  only
• 23:04
  because
• 23:05
  she
• 23:05
  had
• 23:06
  to.
• 23:06
  Like
• 23:06
  she
• 23:06
  was
• 23:06
  restricted,
• 23:07
  but
• 23:07
  she
• 23:07
  didn't
• 23:08
  understand
• 23:09
  before
• 23:09
  she
• 23:10
  started
• 23:10
  digging
• 23:10
  into
• 23:10
  the
• 23:11
  wedding
• 23:11
  planning.
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  think
• 23:12
  a
• 23:12
  lot
• 23:12
  of
• 23:12
  people
• 23:12
  don't
• 23:13
  realize
• 23:14
  the
• 23:14
  restrictions
• 23:14
  are
• 23:15
  there
• 23:15
  and
• 23:15
  how,
• 23:15
  and
• 23:16
  they
• 23:16
  just
• 23:16
  don't
• 23:16
  understand
• 23:16
  why
• 23:17
  they're
• 23:17
  there
• 23:17
  either.
• 23:18
  Well,
• 23:18
  and
• 23:19
  to
• 23:19
  be
• 23:19
  fair
• 23:19
  to
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  law
• 23:19
  commission
• 23:20
  in
• 23:20
  their
• 23:20
  report,
• 23:21
  one
• 23:21
  of
• 23:21
  the
• 23:21
  things
• 23:21
  they
• 23:21
  looked
• 23:22
  into
• 23:22
  as
• 23:22
  well
• 23:22
  was
• 23:23
  whether
• 23:23
  the
• 23:23
  law
• 23:24
  on
• 23:24
  restrictions
• 23:25
  in
• 23:25
  civil
• 23:25
  ceremonies
• 23:26
  could
• 23:26
  be
• 23:26
  relaxed
• 23:28
  because
• 23:28
  again,
• 23:29
  sort
• 23:29
  of
• 23:29
  that's
• 23:29
  historical
• 23:31
  happenstance,
• 23:31
  that's
• 23:31
  historical
• 23:32
  compromise.
• 23:34
  So,
• 23:34
  you
• 23:34
  know,
• 23:35
  there's
• 23:35
  no
• 23:36
  real
• 23:36
  reason
• 23:37
  for
• 23:37
  them
• 23:37
  to
• 23:37
  be
• 23:37
  there
• 23:38
  other
• 23:38
  than
• 23:39
  to
• 23:39
  firmly
• 23:39
  demarcate
• 23:40
  civil
• 23:41
  from
• 23:41
  religious,
• 23:42
  which
• 23:42
  again,
• 23:43
  seems
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  be
• 23:43
  a
• 23:44
  distinction
• 23:44
  which
• 23:45
  we
• 23:45
  don't
• 23:45
  actually
• 23:46
  need.
• 23:46
  You
• 23:46
  know
• 23:46
  what
• 23:46
  I
• 23:46
  mean?
• 23:48
  We
• 23:48
  can
• 23:48
  start
• 23:49
  if
• 23:49
  we
• 23:50
  focus
• 23:50
  on
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  people,
• 23:52
  if
• 23:52
  we
• 23:52
  put
• 23:53
  more
• 23:53
  weight
• 23:53
  and
• 23:54
  more
• 23:54
  importance
• 23:54
  and
• 23:55
  more
• 23:55
  legalities
• 23:56
  in
• 23:56
  terms
• 23:56
  of
• 23:56
  preliminaries,
• 23:57
  which
• 23:58
  is
• 23:58
  what
• 23:58
  the
• 23:58
  Law
• 23:58
  Commission
• 23:59
  suggests
• 24:00
  we
• 24:00
  do,
• 24:00
  then
• 24:01
  we
• 24:01
  can
• 24:01
  be
• 24:01
  much
• 24:01
  more
• 24:02
  liberal
• 24:03
  in
• 24:03
  terms
• 24:03
  of
• 24:03
  the
• 24:03
  actual
• 24:04
  ceremony.
• 24:05
  And
• 24:06
  that,
• 24:07
  to
• 24:07
  me
• 24:07
  makes
• 24:08
  perfect,
• 24:08
  perfect
• 24:09
  sense.
• 24:09
  Because
• 24:09
  you're
• 24:10
  right,
• 24:10
  all
• 24:10
  these
• 24:10
  distinctions,
• 24:11
  finely
• 24:11
  drawn
• 24:12
  distinctions,
• 24:12
  complex
• 24:13
  distinctions,
• 24:14
  are
• 24:15
  not
• 24:16
  understood.
• 24:17
  And
• 24:17
  they're
• 24:17
  not
• 24:17
  understood
• 24:18
  because
• 24:18
  they
• 24:18
  don't
• 24:18
  make
• 24:19
  sense.
• 24:19
  They
• 24:19
  don't
• 24:19
  fit
• 24:20
  what
• 24:20
  we
• 24:21
  need
• 24:21
  today.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:21
  so
• 24:22
  the
• 24:22
  law
• 24:22
  needs
• 24:22
  reform.
• 24:23
  Yeah,
• 24:23
  absolutely.
• 24:24
  So
• 24:25
  talk
• 24:25
  to
• 24:25
  me
• 24:25
  about
• 24:25
  how
• 24:25
  you've
• 24:26
  become
• 24:26
  so
• 24:26
  involved
• 24:27
  in
• 24:27
  this
• 24:27
  yourself,
• 24:28
  Russell,
• 24:28
  because
• 24:28
  you've
• 24:28
  become
• 24:29
  somewhat
• 24:29
  of
• 24:29
  a
• 24:30
  celebrity
• 24:30
  figure
• 24:31
  in
• 24:31
  the
• 24:31
  world
• 24:31
  of
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  wedding
• 24:32
  industry
• 24:32
  and
• 24:33
  celebrants
• 24:33
  and
• 24:33
  quite
• 24:34
  often
• 24:34
  your
• 24:34
  name
• 24:34
  comes
• 24:35
  up.
• 24:35
  If
• 24:35
  I'm
• 24:35
  talking
• 24:36
  with
• 24:36
  celebrants
• 24:36
  and
• 24:36
  this
• 24:37
  topic
• 24:37
  comes
• 24:37
  up,
• 24:37
  oh,
• 24:38
  you've
• 24:38
  got
• 24:38
  to
• 24:38
  follow
• 24:38
  Russell,
• 24:39
  you
• 24:39
  got
• 24:39
  to
• 24:39
  talk
• 24:39
  to
• 24:39
  Russell,
• 24:40
  you've
• 24:40
  got
• 24:40
  to
• 24:40
  watch
• 24:40
  Russell's
• 24:41
  videos.
• 24:42
  So
• 24:42
  how
• 24:43
  have
• 24:43
  you
• 24:43
  found
• 24:43
  yourself
• 24:44
  as
• 24:44
  a
• 24:44
  professor
• 24:44
  in
• 24:45
  Cardiff,
• 24:45
  being
• 24:46
  front
• 24:46
  of
• 24:46
  center
• 24:46
  of
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  celebrant
• 24:48
  wedding
• 24:48
  industry?
• 24:49
  Well,
• 24:49
  not
• 24:49
  quite
• 24:49
  so
• 24:49
  about
• 24:50
  the
• 24:50
  celebrity
• 24:50
  status,
• 24:51
  but.
• 24:52
  But
• 24:52
  yeah,
• 24:52
  again,
• 24:52
  it's.
• 24:52
  It's
• 24:53
  pure
• 24:53
  happenstance,
• 24:54
  as
• 24:54
  I
• 24:54
  say,
• 24:54
  sort
• 24:55
  of.
• 24:55
  You
• 24:55
  know,
• 24:55
  I
• 24:56
  was
• 24:56
  writing
• 24:56
  about
• 24:57
  law
• 24:57
  and
• 24:57
  religion
• 24:58
  and
• 24:59
  then,
• 25:00
  oh,
• 25:00
  about
• 25:01
  10
• 25:01
  years
• 25:02
  ago,
• 25:04
  we
• 25:04
  tried
• 25:05
  to
• 25:05
  get
• 25:05
  funding
• 25:06
  to
• 25:06
  do
• 25:07
  an
• 25:07
  empirical
• 25:07
  study
• 25:08
  into
• 25:08
  religious
• 25:09
  courts
• 25:09
  and
• 25:10
  how
• 25:10
  they
• 25:10
  determine
• 25:11
  questions
• 25:11
  of
• 25:11
  divorce
• 25:12
  and
• 25:13
  we
• 25:13
  didn't
• 25:13
  get
• 25:13
  it.
• 25:13
  And
• 25:14
  then
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  then
• 25:14
  Archbishop
• 25:15
  of
• 25:15
  Canterbury,
• 25:16
  Dr.
• 25:17
  Rowan
• 25:17
  Williams,
• 25:18
  gave
• 25:18
  this
• 25:18
  speech
• 25:19
  to
• 25:19
  lawyers
• 25:20
  where
• 25:20
  he
• 25:20
  mentioned
• 25:21
  Sharia
• 25:21
  law
• 25:22
  and
• 25:22
  suddenly
• 25:23
  everything
• 25:24
  went
• 25:24
  mad.
• 25:24
  It
• 25:25
  was
• 25:25
  front
• 25:25
  page
• 25:26
  of
• 25:26
  the
• 25:26
  newspapers.
• 25:27
  Call
• 25:27
  him
• 25:28
  out
• 25:28
  on
• 25:28
  it.
• 25:28
  In
• 25:28
  terms
• 25:28
  of
• 25:29
  trying
• 25:29
  to
• 25:29
  bring
• 25:29
  in
• 25:30
  Islamic
• 25:30
  law.
• 25:30
  He
• 25:31
  wasn't.
• 25:31
  It
• 25:31
  was
• 25:32
  no
• 25:32
  bitters
• 25:33
  of
• 25:33
  stoning
• 25:33
  on
• 25:33
  the
• 25:33
  10
• 25:34
  o'
• 25:34
  clock
• 25:34
  news
• 25:34
  or
• 25:34
  this
• 25:34
  kind
• 25:35
  of
• 25:35
  thing.
• 25:35
  So
• 25:35
  we
• 25:36
  put
• 25:36
  the
• 25:36
  research
• 25:36
  bid
• 25:37
  back
• 25:37
  in
• 25:37
  for
• 25:38
  funding
• 25:38
  and
• 25:39
  this
• 25:39
  time
• 25:39
  we
• 25:40
  got
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  money
• 25:40
  because
• 25:41
  it
• 25:41
  was
• 25:41
  topical.
• 25:42
  So
• 25:42
  we
• 25:42
  spent
• 25:43
  a
• 25:43
  year
• 25:44
  looking
• 25:45
  at
• 25:45
  a
• 25:46
  particular
• 25:46
  Sharia
• 25:46
  council,
• 25:47
  a
• 25:47
  Beth
• 25:48
  Dane,
• 25:48
  a
• 25:48
  Catholic
• 25:49
  tribunal,
• 25:50
  which
• 25:50
  was
• 25:51
  basically
• 25:51
  the
• 25:51
  priest's
• 25:52
  living
• 25:52
  room
• 25:52
  in
• 25:52
  Cardiff.
• 25:54
  That
• 25:54
  was
• 25:54
  a
• 25:54
  glamorous
• 25:55
  visit.
• 25:56
  And
• 25:57
  so
• 25:57
  as
• 25:58
  a
• 25:58
  result
• 25:58
  of
• 25:58
  that,
• 25:58
  I
• 25:58
  started
• 25:58
  writing
• 25:59
  about
• 25:59
  this
• 26:00
  issue
• 26:01
  because
• 26:01
  what
• 26:01
  we
• 26:01
  were
• 26:02
  finding,
• 26:02
  one
• 26:02
  of
• 26:02
  the
• 26:02
  key
• 26:03
  things
• 26:03
  we
• 26:03
  found
• 26:03
  was,
• 26:04
  was
• 26:04
  that
• 26:04
  a
• 26:05
  significant
• 26:05
  number
• 26:06
  of
• 26:06
  people
• 26:06
  who
• 26:06
  were
• 26:06
  using
• 26:07
  the
• 26:07
  Sharia
• 26:07
  council,
• 26:08
  Muslims
• 26:09
  using
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  Syria
• 26:09
  Council,
• 26:10
  were
• 26:10
  using
• 26:10
  it
• 26:10
  because
• 26:11
  they
• 26:12
  were
• 26:12
  not
• 26:12
  legally
• 26:12
  married.
• 26:13
  Right.
• 26:13
  So
• 26:14
  it
• 26:14
  kind
• 26:15
  of
• 26:15
  came
• 26:15
  from
• 26:15
  that
• 26:15
  angle.
• 26:16
  So
• 26:17
  then
• 26:17
  you.
• 26:17
  I
• 26:18
  sort
• 26:18
  of
• 26:18
  spent
• 26:18
  a
• 26:18
  couple
• 26:18
  of
• 26:18
  years,
• 26:19
  every
• 26:19
  now
• 26:19
  and
• 26:19
  again,
• 26:19
  would
• 26:20
  sort
• 26:20
  of
• 26:20
  dabble
• 26:20
  with
• 26:20
  the
• 26:21
  issue.
• 26:21
  And
• 26:22
  then
• 26:22
  I
• 26:22
  became
• 26:23
  aware
• 26:23
  the
• 26:23
  Law
• 26:23
  Commission
• 26:24
  was
• 26:24
  looking
• 26:24
  at
• 26:24
  it
• 26:24
  and
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  Law
• 26:25
  Commission
• 26:25
  came
• 26:26
  and
• 26:27
  spoke
• 26:27
  to
• 26:27
  a
• 26:27
  couple
• 26:27
  of
• 26:27
  us
• 26:28
  at
• 26:28
  Cardiff
• 26:28
  Myself
• 26:28
  and
• 26:28
  other
• 26:29
  family
• 26:30
  law
• 26:30
  academics,
• 26:32
  and
• 26:32
  I
• 26:32
  could
• 26:33
  sort
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  see
• 26:33
  that
• 26:34
  that
• 26:34
  could
• 26:35
  be
• 26:35
  an
• 26:35
  avenue
• 26:35
  of
• 26:36
  sort
• 26:36
  of
• 26:37
  helping
• 26:37
  to
• 26:38
  solve
• 26:38
  this
• 26:38
  issue.
• 26:39
  So
• 26:39
  I
• 26:39
  sort
• 26:39
  of
• 26:40
  contributed
• 26:40
  to
• 26:40
  that.
• 26:40
  And
• 26:41
  I
• 26:41
  thought,
• 26:41
  right,
• 26:41
  okay,
• 26:42
  this
• 26:42
  seems
• 26:43
  to
• 26:43
  be
• 26:43
  an
• 26:43
  issue
• 26:43
  where
• 26:43
  there
• 26:44
  seems
• 26:44
  to
• 26:44
  be
• 26:44
  quite
• 26:44
  a
• 26:44
  lot
• 26:45
  of
• 26:45
  misunderstanding.
• 26:46
  So
• 26:46
  I
• 26:46
  wrote
• 26:46
  a
• 26:46
  short
• 26:46
  book,
• 26:47
  I
• 26:47
  wrote
• 26:47
  a
• 26:47
  short
• 26:47
  book,
• 26:47
  it
• 26:48
  came
• 26:48
  out
• 26:48
  in
• 26:48
  2021,
• 26:49
  called
• 26:49
  Religion
• 26:50
  and
• 26:50
  Marriage
• 26:50
  Law
• 26:50
  the
• 26:51
  Need
• 26:51
  for
• 26:51
  Reform.
• 26:52
  And
• 26:52
  all
• 26:53
  that
• 26:53
  was
• 26:53
  designed
• 26:54
  to
• 26:54
  do,
• 26:54
  really,
• 26:55
  was
• 26:56
  to
• 26:57
  outline
• 26:57
  what
• 26:57
  was
• 26:57
  the
• 26:58
  problem,
• 26:58
  to
• 26:58
  outline
• 26:59
  what
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  local
• 26:59
  mission
• 27:00
  at
• 27:00
  that
• 27:00
  time
• 27:00
  was
• 27:01
  suggesting
• 27:02
  as
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  solution,
• 27:03
  and
• 27:04
  to
• 27:04
  see
• 27:04
  whether
• 27:05
  or
• 27:05
  not
• 27:05
  that
• 27:05
  was
• 27:05
  viable.
• 27:06
  It
• 27:06
  came
• 27:06
  out
• 27:07
  broadly
• 27:07
  in
• 27:07
  favor
• 27:08
  with
• 27:08
  a
• 27:08
  few
• 27:08
  sort
• 27:09
  of
• 27:09
  tweaks.
• 27:11
  And
• 27:12
  as
• 27:12
  I
• 27:12
  was
• 27:13
  writing
• 27:13
  it,
• 27:13
  I
• 27:13
  was
• 27:13
  aware
• 27:13
  that
• 27:14
  it
• 27:14
  was
• 27:14
  getting
• 27:14
  more
• 27:14
  attention
• 27:15
  than
• 27:15
  most
• 27:16
  of
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  stuff
• 27:16
  I
• 27:16
  wrote,
• 27:17
  to
• 27:17
  be
• 27:17
  frank.
• 27:18
  So
• 27:19
  I
• 27:19
  thought,
• 27:19
  hang
• 27:19
  on,
• 27:21
  this
• 27:21
  seems
• 27:21
  to
• 27:21
  be
• 27:21
  hot
• 27:22
  potato.
• 27:23
  So
• 27:24
  we
• 27:24
  did
• 27:25
  a
• 27:25
  big
• 27:25
  online
• 27:25
  launch,
• 27:26
  we
• 27:26
  got
• 27:26
  Lady
• 27:27
  Hale,
• 27:27
  who
• 27:27
  had
• 27:28
  just
• 27:28
  retired
• 27:28
  from
• 27:28
  the
• 27:29
  Supreme
• 27:29
  Court,
• 27:30
  just
• 27:31
  to
• 27:31
  speak
• 27:31
  at
• 27:31
  it,
• 27:32
  and,
• 27:32
  you
• 27:33
  know,
• 27:35
  didn't
• 27:35
  sort
• 27:35
  of
• 27:36
  see
• 27:36
  any
• 27:36
  holes
• 27:37
  in
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  argument
• 27:38
  either.
• 27:39
  So,
• 27:40
  yeah,
• 27:40
  I
• 27:40
  sort
• 27:40
  of
• 27:41
  started
• 27:42
  posting
• 27:42
  about
• 27:43
  it
• 27:43
  and
• 27:44
  then
• 27:44
  before
• 27:45
  I
• 27:45
  knew,
• 27:46
  sort
• 27:46
  of,
• 27:46
  I
• 27:47
  was
• 27:47
  aware
• 27:47
  that
• 27:47
  sort
• 27:47
  of
• 27:48
  some
• 27:48
  celebrants
• 27:48
  were
• 27:48
  starting
• 27:49
  to
• 27:49
  follow.
• 27:50
  And
• 27:51
  so
• 27:52
  then,
• 27:52
  you
• 27:52
  know,
• 27:52
  the
• 27:52
  odd
• 27:53
  invitation
• 27:53
  would
• 27:54
  come
• 27:54
  and
• 27:54
  it
• 27:55
  kind
• 27:55
  of
• 27:55
  snowballed.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:57
  like
• 27:57
  I
• 27:58
  say,
• 27:58
  it's
• 27:58
  taken
• 27:59
  the
• 27:59
  last
• 28:00
  five
• 28:00
  years
• 28:00
  retractively
• 28:01
  materialized
• 28:02
  in
• 28:02
  terms
• 28:02
  of
• 28:02
  something
• 28:02
  which
• 28:03
  the
• 28:03
  government
• 28:03
  is
• 28:03
  now
• 28:03
  planning
• 28:04
  to
• 28:04
  actually
• 28:04
  do.
• 28:05
  But
• 28:06
  there's
• 28:06
  been
• 28:06
  all
• 28:06
  sorts
• 28:07
  of
• 28:07
  sort
• 28:07
  of
• 28:08
  little
• 28:09
  events
• 28:09
  on
• 28:10
  the
• 28:10
  way
• 28:10
  there
• 28:11
  in
• 28:11
  terms
• 28:11
  of
• 28:12
  sort
• 28:12
  of
• 28:12
  positive
• 28:12
  mention
• 28:13
  in
• 28:13
  Parliament
• 28:13
  there,
• 28:14
  a
• 28:14
  roaring
• 28:15
  debate
• 28:15
  about
• 28:16
  something
• 28:16
  else
• 28:16
  there,
• 28:17
  you
• 28:17
  know,
• 28:17
  so
• 28:19
  it's
• 28:19
  been
• 28:20
  something
• 28:20
  which
• 28:20
  has
• 28:20
  sort
• 28:20
  of
• 28:21
  been
• 28:21
  bubbling
• 28:21
  away
• 28:21
  as
• 28:22
  I
• 28:22
  sort
• 28:22
  of
• 28:24
  work
• 28:24
  on
• 28:24
  other
• 28:25
  stuff.
• 28:25
  So,
• 28:25
  yeah,
• 28:26
  it's
• 28:26
  sort
• 28:27
  of,
• 28:28
  as
• 28:28
  I
• 28:28
  said
• 28:28
  earlier,
• 28:29
  you
• 28:29
  never
• 28:29
  know
• 28:30
  where
• 28:30
  career
• 28:30
  takes
• 28:31
  you
• 28:31
  and
• 28:31
  you
• 28:31
  never
• 28:32
  know
• 28:32
  what
• 28:32
  sort
• 28:33
  of,
• 28:33
  you
• 28:33
  know,
• 28:34
  I've
• 28:35
  written
• 28:35
  things
• 28:35
  which
• 28:36
  have
• 28:36
  been
• 28:36
  completely
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  utterly
• 28:37
  ignored
• 28:37
  and
• 28:37
  never
• 28:38
  read.
• 28:39
  And
• 28:39
  you
• 28:39
  never
• 28:39
  know
• 28:40
  when
• 28:40
  you're
• 28:40
  writing
• 28:40
  something
• 28:40
  whether
• 28:41
  it's
• 28:41
  going
• 28:41
  to
• 28:41
  be
• 28:41
  one
• 28:41
  of
• 28:41
  them
• 28:42
  or
• 28:42
  whether
• 28:42
  it's
• 28:42
  going
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  take
• 28:43
  off.
• 28:43
  You
• 28:44
  always
• 28:44
  hope
• 28:44
  that
• 28:44
  it's
• 28:45
  going
• 28:45
  to
• 28:45
  be
• 28:45
  one
• 28:45
  that
• 28:45
  takes
• 28:45
  up,
• 28:46
  because
• 28:46
  for
• 28:46
  you
• 28:46
  at
• 28:47
  the
• 28:47
  moment,
• 28:47
  it's
• 28:47
  something
• 28:47
  that's
• 28:48
  important
• 28:48
  and
• 28:48
  something
• 28:49
  that
• 28:49
  you're
• 28:49
  passionate
• 28:49
  about,
• 28:52
  but
• 28:53
  you
• 28:53
  never,
• 28:53
  never
• 28:54
  know.
• 28:54
  And
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  could
• 28:54
  sort
• 28:55
  of
• 28:55
  tell
• 28:55
  because
• 28:55
  I
• 28:55
  was
• 28:55
  also
• 28:56
  writing
• 28:57
  in
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  same
• 28:57
  period
• 28:58
  about
• 28:59
  changes
• 29:00
  in
• 29:00
  education
• 29:00
  law
• 29:01
  to
• 29:01
  do
• 29:01
  with
• 29:02
  religion,
• 29:03
  and
• 29:03
  by
• 29:03
  contrast,
• 29:04
  no
• 29:04
  one
• 29:04
  was
• 29:04
  interested
• 29:05
  in
• 29:05
  that.
• 29:06
  So
• 29:06
  you
• 29:06
  could
• 29:06
  tell
• 29:07
  the
• 29:07
  difference
• 29:07
  quite
• 29:08
  clearly
• 29:09
  in
• 29:10
  terms
• 29:10
  of
• 29:10
  sort
• 29:10
  of
• 29:11
  every
• 29:11
  social
• 29:11
  media
• 29:11
  post.
• 29:12
  If
• 29:12
  I
• 29:12
  post
• 29:13
  about
• 29:13
  that,
• 29:13
  it
• 29:13
  Gets
• 29:13
  nothing
• 29:14
  if
• 29:14
  I
• 29:14
  post
• 29:14
  about
• 29:14
  it,
• 29:15
  gets
• 29:15
  something.
• 29:16
  So,
• 29:17
  yeah,
• 29:17
  it
• 29:18
  was
• 29:18
  a
• 29:19
  happy
• 29:19
  accent,
• 29:19
  but
• 29:19
  they've
• 29:20
  been
• 29:20
  brilliant
• 29:21
  to
• 29:21
  work
• 29:21
  with
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  it's
• 29:22
  been
• 29:22
  really,
• 29:23
  really
• 29:23
  useful,
• 29:24
  actually,
• 29:24
  to
• 29:24
  get
• 29:25
  that
• 29:25
  perspective.
• 29:26
  Because,
• 29:26
  you
• 29:26
  know,
• 29:26
  I'll
• 29:27
  be
• 29:27
  honest
• 29:27
  with
• 29:27
  you,
• 29:27
  when
• 29:27
  I
• 29:27
  started
• 29:28
  working
• 29:28
  with
• 29:28
  this,
• 29:28
  I
• 29:29
  didn't
• 29:29
  know
• 29:29
  what
• 29:29
  an
• 29:29
  independent
• 29:29
  settlement
• 29:30
  was
• 29:32
  and
• 29:33
  sort
• 29:33
  of,
• 29:33
  you
• 29:33
  know,
• 29:34
  it's
• 29:35
  added
• 29:35
  a
• 29:35
  much
• 29:36
  richer
• 29:38
  dimension
• 29:38
  to
• 29:39
  the
• 29:39
  research
• 29:39
  and
• 29:40
  actually
• 29:40
  made
• 29:41
  quite
• 29:41
  a
• 29:42
  lot
• 29:42
  of
• 29:42
  the
• 29:42
  point
• 29:42
  I
• 29:43
  was
• 29:43
  making
• 29:43
  about
• 29:44
  discrimination,
• 29:44
  about
• 29:45
  equality
• 29:46
  and
• 29:46
  about
• 29:46
  fairness,
• 29:47
  about
• 29:47
  accessibility,
• 29:48
  even
• 29:48
  more
• 29:48
  important.
• 29:49
  So
• 29:50
  it's
• 29:50
  been
• 29:50
  a
• 29:51
  delight,
• 29:51
  but
• 29:52
  it's
• 29:52
  been
• 29:52
  a
• 29:52
  hell
• 29:52
  of
• 29:53
  a
• 29:53
  surprise.
• 29:55
  Well,
• 29:55
  I
• 29:55
  know
• 29:55
  that
• 29:56
  they
• 29:56
  are
• 29:56
  so
• 29:57
  thankful
• 29:57
  for
• 29:57
  what
• 29:57
  you're
• 29:58
  doing
• 29:58
  because
• 29:59
  you
• 29:59
  are
• 29:59
  someone
• 29:59
  that
• 30:00
  is
• 30:00
  tackling
• 30:00
  something
• 30:00
  that
• 30:00
  is
• 30:01
  very
• 30:01
  complicated
• 30:02
  and
• 30:02
  yet
• 30:03
  is
• 30:03
  going
• 30:03
  to
• 30:03
  have
• 30:03
  a
• 30:03
  massive
• 30:04
  impact
• 30:04
  on
• 30:04
  both
• 30:05
  them
• 30:05
  and
• 30:05
  the
• 30:05
  wedding
• 30:05
  industry
• 30:06
  as
• 30:06
  a
• 30:06
  whole
• 30:07
  and
• 30:07
  make
• 30:07
  it
• 30:07
  more
• 30:07
  accessible
• 30:08
  to
• 30:08
  them.
• 30:08
  So
• 30:09
  please
• 30:09
  continue
• 30:09
  your
• 30:09
  good
• 30:10
  work.
• 30:10
  I
• 30:10
  will
• 30:10
  link
• 30:10
  to
• 30:11
  your
• 30:11
  Instagram
• 30:11
  in
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  show
• 30:12
  notes
• 30:12
  as
• 30:12
  well,
• 30:13
  so
• 30:13
  that
• 30:13
  people
• 30:13
  can
• 30:13
  keep
• 30:14
  up
• 30:14
  to
• 30:14
  date
• 30:14
  on
• 30:14
  this.
• 30:14
  And
• 30:15
  I
• 30:15
  think
• 30:15
  when
• 30:15
  this
• 30:16
  big
• 30:16
  stuff
• 30:16
  comes
• 30:16
  out
• 30:16
  and
• 30:17
  people
• 30:17
  panic,
• 30:18
  you're
• 30:18
  a
• 30:18
  great
• 30:18
  voice
• 30:19
  of
• 30:19
  reason
• 30:19
  to
• 30:19
  go,
• 30:20
  no,
• 30:20
  it
• 30:20
  doesn't
• 30:20
  say
• 30:21
  anything.
• 30:22
  Don't
• 30:22
  panic.
• 30:23
  Just,
• 30:23
  you
• 30:23
  know,
• 30:23
  this
• 30:24
  is
• 30:24
  what
• 30:24
  we're
• 30:24
  going
• 30:24
  to
• 30:24
  do
• 30:24
  next.
• 30:25
  Now,
• 30:25
  talking
• 30:25
  of
• 30:26
  what
• 30:26
  we're
• 30:26
  going
• 30:26
  to
• 30:26
  do
• 30:26
  next,
• 30:26
  you
• 30:27
  mentioned
• 30:27
  quite
• 30:27
  a
• 30:27
  bit
• 30:28
  earlier
• 30:28
  on
• 30:28
  in
• 30:28
  the
• 30:28
  conversation
• 30:29
  that
• 30:29
  now's
• 30:30
  actually
• 30:30
  quite
• 30:30
  a
• 30:30
  crucial
• 30:31
  time
• 30:31
  for
• 30:31
  us
• 30:31
  as
• 30:31
  an
• 30:32
  industry
• 30:32
  to
• 30:33
  get
• 30:33
  behind
• 30:33
  this.
• 30:34
  But
• 30:34
  a
• 30:34
  lot
• 30:34
  of
• 30:34
  people
• 30:34
  listening
• 30:35
  to
• 30:35
  this
• 30:35
  will
• 30:35
  think,
• 30:35
  I
• 30:36
  just
• 30:36
  don't
• 30:36
  even
• 30:36
  really
• 30:37
  understand.
• 30:37
  I
• 30:37
  don't
• 30:37
  even
• 30:38
  know
• 30:38
  what
• 30:38
  I
• 30:38
  can
• 30:38
  do.
• 30:38
  So
• 30:39
  can
• 30:39
  you
• 30:39
  just
• 30:39
  give
• 30:39
  us
• 30:39
  some
• 30:39
  practical
• 30:40
  things?
• 30:40
  If
• 30:41
  people
• 30:41
  are
• 30:41
  like,
• 30:41
  yeah,
• 30:41
  this
• 30:41
  needs
• 30:42
  to
• 30:42
  happen,
• 30:42
  we
• 30:42
  want
• 30:42
  to
• 30:42
  get
• 30:43
  behind
• 30:43
  it,
• 30:43
  what
• 30:44
  do
• 30:44
  you
• 30:44
  think
• 30:44
  they
• 30:44
  should
• 30:44
  be
• 30:45
  doing?
• 30:45
  Well,
• 30:45
  the
• 30:45
  key
• 30:45
  thing,
• 30:46
  I
• 30:46
  think,
• 30:46
  is
• 30:46
  to
• 30:47
  speak
• 30:48
  to
• 30:48
  their
• 30:48
  mp,
• 30:49
  to
• 30:49
  email,
• 30:50
  to
• 30:50
  send
• 30:50
  a
• 30:50
  letter
• 30:50
  to
• 30:51
  the
• 30:51
  mp,
• 30:51
  and
• 30:52
  to
• 30:52
  keep
• 30:52
  that,
• 30:53
  at
• 30:53
  the
• 30:54
  moment,
• 30:54
  very,
• 30:55
  very
• 30:55
  straightforward
• 30:56
  and
• 30:56
  very,
• 30:56
  very
• 30:57
  simple
• 30:57
  in
• 30:57
  terms
• 30:58
  of
• 30:58
  we're
• 30:59
  in
• 30:59
  favor
• 30:59
  of
• 31:00
  marriage
• 31:00
  law
• 31:00
  reform,
• 31:01
  because,
• 31:01
  you
• 31:02
  know,
• 31:02
  and
• 31:03
  as
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  say,
• 31:03
  sort
• 31:03
  of.
• 31:03
  But
• 31:04
  pressing
• 31:04
  the
• 31:04
  economic
• 31:05
  argument
• 31:05
  which
• 31:06
  the
• 31:06
  government
• 31:06
  has
• 31:06
  made,
• 31:07
  highlighting
• 31:08
  also
• 31:08
  the
• 31:08
  social
• 31:09
  element
• 31:10
  and
• 31:11
  as
• 31:11
  you
• 31:11
  mentioned,
• 31:12
  a
• 31:12
  religious
• 31:13
  element
• 31:13
  as
• 31:13
  well,
• 31:13
  a
• 31:14
  philosophical
• 31:14
  element
• 31:14
  for
• 31:15
  some.
• 31:16
  And
• 31:17
  what
• 31:17
  would
• 31:17
  be
• 31:17
  very,
• 31:18
  very
• 31:18
  useful,
• 31:19
  I
• 31:19
  think,
• 31:19
  would
• 31:19
  be
• 31:20
  the
• 31:20
  education
• 31:21
  of
• 31:21
  MPs
• 31:21
  before
• 31:22
  this
• 31:22
  hits
• 31:22
  them,
• 31:23
  because
• 31:23
  I
• 31:23
  would
• 31:23
  imagine
• 31:24
  most
• 31:24
  of
• 31:24
  them
• 31:24
  are
• 31:24
  in
• 31:24
  the
• 31:24
  same
• 31:25
  situation
• 31:25
  as
• 31:25
  I
• 31:26
  was
• 31:26
  in
• 31:26
  terms
• 31:26
  of
• 31:26
  not
• 31:26
  knowing
• 31:27
  what
• 31:27
  an
• 31:27
  independent
• 31:27
  celibate
• 31:28
  was.
• 31:30
  I
• 31:30
  think
• 31:31
  a
• 31:31
  lot
• 31:31
  of
• 31:32
  them
• 31:32
  will
• 31:32
  see
• 31:32
  this
• 31:32
  as
• 31:33
  sort
• 31:33
  of,
• 31:33
  well,
• 31:33
  people
• 31:34
  already
• 31:34
  get
• 31:34
  married
• 31:34
  on
• 31:34
  beaches,
• 31:35
  don't
• 31:35
  they?
• 31:36
  And,
• 31:36
  yes,
• 31:36
  they
• 31:37
  do,
• 31:37
  but
• 31:37
  it's
• 31:37
  not
• 31:37
  legally
• 31:38
  binding
• 31:39
  and
• 31:39
  that
• 31:39
  causes
• 31:40
  these
• 31:40
  issues.
• 31:41
  Okay,
• 31:41
  so
• 31:42
  for
• 31:42
  me,
• 31:42
  in
• 31:42
  my
• 31:43
  office
• 31:43
  here
• 31:43
  in
• 31:44
  Bedfordshire,
• 31:45
  I
• 31:45
  want
• 31:45
  to
• 31:45
  speak
• 31:46
  to
• 31:46
  my
• 31:46
  mp.
• 31:46
  I've
• 31:47
  never
• 31:47
  done
• 31:47
  that
• 31:47
  before.
• 31:47
  I
• 31:48
  have
• 31:48
  absolutely
• 31:48
  no
• 31:48
  idea
• 31:49
  how
• 31:49
  I
• 31:49
  do
• 31:49
  it.
• 31:50
  Could
• 31:50
  I
• 31:50
  ask
• 31:50
  to
• 31:51
  meet
• 31:51
  with
• 31:51
  them?
• 31:51
  Can
• 31:51
  I
• 31:51
  go
• 31:52
  to
• 31:52
  a
• 31:52
  clinic?
• 31:52
  Should
• 31:53
  I
• 31:53
  write
• 31:53
  a
• 31:53
  letter?
• 31:54
  Because
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  would
• 31:54
  like
• 31:55
  to
• 31:55
  have
• 31:55
  my
• 31:55
  voice
• 31:55
  heard
• 31:56
  by
• 31:56
  them
• 31:56
  and
• 31:56
  I
• 31:56
  probably
• 31:56
  could
• 31:57
  educate
• 31:57
  them
• 31:57
  on
• 31:57
  a
• 31:58
  thing
• 31:58
  or
• 31:58
  two.
• 31:58
  All
• 31:58
  of
• 31:58
  the
• 31:59
  above.
• 31:59
  All
• 31:59
  the
• 31:59
  contact
• 32:00
  details
• 32:00
  on
• 32:00
  the
• 32:01
  UK
• 32:01
  Parliament
• 32:01
  website,
• 32:02
  you
• 32:02
  can
• 32:02
  only
• 32:03
  talk
• 32:03
  to
• 32:03
  your
• 32:03
  mp.
• 32:04
  That's
• 32:05
  the
• 32:05
  way
• 32:05
  it
• 32:05
  works.
• 32:06
  So
• 32:06
  if
• 32:06
  you
• 32:07
  see
• 32:07
  someone
• 32:07
  in
• 32:08
  terms
• 32:08
  of,
• 32:08
  you
• 32:08
  know,
• 32:08
  I
• 32:08
  want
• 32:08
  to
• 32:08
  talk
• 32:09
  to
• 32:09
  that
• 32:09
  person
• 32:10
  because
• 32:10
  they're
• 32:10
  the
• 32:10
  minister.
• 32:10
  No,
• 32:11
  that's
• 32:11
  not
• 32:11
  how
• 32:11
  it
• 32:11
  works.
• 32:12
  You
• 32:12
  have
• 32:12
  to
• 32:12
  work,
• 32:13
  you
• 32:13
  have
• 32:13
  to
• 32:13
  talk
• 32:13
  to
• 32:13
  your
• 32:14
  mp.
• 32:14
  So
• 32:14
  on
• 32:15
  the
• 32:15
  parliamentary
• 32:15
  website,
• 32:16
  there's
• 32:17
  contact
• 32:17
  details,
• 32:19
  so
• 32:19
  that's
• 32:19
  usually
• 32:20
  the
• 32:20
  best
• 32:20
  way
• 32:20
  in
• 32:21
  terms
• 32:21
  of
• 32:21
  sending
• 32:21
  an
• 32:22
  email
• 32:22
  that
• 32:23
  will
• 32:23
  get
• 32:23
  to
• 32:24
  them.
• 32:25
  Obviously,
• 32:25
  most
• 32:25
  MPs
• 32:26
  are
• 32:26
  also
• 32:26
  on
• 32:27
  social
• 32:27
  media
• 32:27
  and
• 32:27
  so
• 32:28
  keep
• 32:28
  an
• 32:28
  eye
• 32:28
  on
• 32:28
  there
• 32:29
  in
• 32:29
  terms
• 32:30
  of
• 32:30
  things
• 32:30
  like
• 32:31
  their
• 32:31
  own
• 32:32
  local
• 32:32
  meetings
• 32:33
  and
• 32:33
  that
• 32:33
  kind
• 32:33
  of
• 32:34
  thing
• 32:34
  where,
• 32:34
  you
• 32:34
  know,
• 32:35
  where
• 32:36
  you
• 32:36
  can
• 32:36
  make
• 32:37
  contact.
• 32:37
  It
• 32:38
  has
• 32:38
  to
• 32:38
  be
• 32:38
  said,
• 32:38
  you
• 32:39
  know,
• 32:39
  celebrants
• 32:40
  had
• 32:40
  significant
• 32:41
  success
• 32:41
  in
• 32:41
  terms
• 32:41
  of
• 32:42
  speaking
• 32:42
  to
• 32:43
  MPs,
• 32:45
  and
• 32:45
  there
• 32:45
  is
• 32:46
  a
• 32:46
  broad
• 32:47
  body
• 32:47
  of
• 32:48
  support
• 32:48
  here.
• 32:49
  But
• 32:50
  like
• 32:50
  I
• 32:50
  say,
• 32:51
  the
• 32:51
  key
• 32:51
  thing
• 32:51
  is
• 32:51
  educating
• 32:52
  them.
• 32:52
  What
• 32:52
  we
• 32:52
  need
• 32:53
  is
• 32:53
  comprehensive
• 32:54
  reform,
• 32:54
  as
• 32:55
  the
• 32:55
  Ministry
• 32:55
  of
• 32:55
  Justice
• 32:56
  is
• 32:56
  now
• 32:56
  saying,
• 32:57
  rather
• 32:57
  than
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  patch
• 32:59
  approach,
• 33:00
  which
• 33:01
  Humanist
• 33:01
  UK
• 33:01
  is
• 33:02
  still
• 33:02
  in
• 33:02
  favour
• 33:02
  of,
• 33:03
  because
• 33:03
  they
• 33:04
  want
• 33:05
  it
• 33:05
  just
• 33:05
  to
• 33:05
  be
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  patch
• 33:05
  for
• 33:06
  humanists
• 33:07
  and
• 33:07
  then
• 33:07
  everything
• 33:08
  else
• 33:08
  to
• 33:08
  be
• 33:08
  considered
• 33:09
  later.
• 33:10
  Well,
• 33:10
  that's
• 33:11
  not
• 33:11
  going
• 33:11
  to
• 33:11
  work,
• 33:11
  right,
• 33:12
  in
• 33:12
  terms
• 33:12
  of
• 33:12
  if
• 33:13
  Parliament
• 33:13
  feels,
• 33:13
  if
• 33:13
  it's
• 33:14
  dealt
• 33:14
  with
• 33:14
  the
• 33:14
  issue,
• 33:15
  it's
• 33:15
  going
• 33:16
  to
• 33:16
  move
• 33:16
  on.
• 33:17
  It's
• 33:17
  been
• 33:17
  tough
• 33:17
  enough
• 33:18
  to
• 33:18
  try
• 33:18
  to
• 33:18
  get
• 33:18
  on
• 33:18
  their
• 33:19
  agenda
• 33:19
  up
• 33:19
  until
• 33:20
  now
• 33:21
  and,
• 33:21
  you
• 33:22
  know,
• 33:22
  if
• 33:23
  something
• 33:23
  is
• 33:24
  seen
• 33:24
  to
• 33:24
  be
• 33:24
  solved,
• 33:25
  even
• 33:25
  if
• 33:25
  it's
• 33:25
  not
• 33:25
  a
• 33:26
  complete
• 33:26
  solution,
• 33:27
  it's
• 33:27
  not
• 33:27
  going
• 33:28
  to
• 33:28
  register.
• 33:29
  So
• 33:29
  I
• 33:29
  think
• 33:29
  that's
• 33:30
  the
• 33:30
  key
• 33:30
  thing
• 33:30
  and
• 33:31
  sort
• 33:31
  of,
• 33:31
  you
• 33:31
  know,
• 33:31
  for
• 33:32
  people
• 33:32
  who
• 33:32
  are
• 33:32
  listening
• 33:32
  to
• 33:33
  this,
• 33:33
  who
• 33:33
  are
• 33:33
  sort
• 33:33
  of
• 33:34
  independent
• 33:35
  celebrants,
• 33:36
  I
• 33:36
  think
• 33:36
  that
• 33:37
  the
• 33:37
  key
• 33:37
  thing
• 33:38
  is
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  remember
• 33:39
  that
• 33:39
  the
• 33:39
  Law
• 33:39
  Commission
• 33:42
  final
• 33:42
  report
• 33:43
  proposed
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  system
• 33:44
  which
• 33:45
  could
• 33:45
  include
• 33:45
  both
• 33:46
  humanists
• 33:46
  and
• 33:47
  independent
• 33:47
  celebrities
• 33:48
  and
• 33:48
  said
• 33:49
  it's
• 33:49
  a
• 33:49
  question
• 33:49
  for
• 33:49
  the
• 33:50
  government
• 33:50
  to
• 33:50
  decide
• 33:50
  whether
• 33:51
  it
• 33:51
  does
• 33:51
  or
• 33:51
  not.
• 33:52
  So
• 33:52
  they
• 33:52
  are
• 33:52
  still
• 33:53
  very,
• 33:53
  very
• 33:54
  much
• 33:54
  in
• 33:54
  the
• 33:54
  picture.
• 33:55
  Unless
• 33:56
  and
• 33:56
  until
• 33:56
  the
• 33:56
  consultation
• 33:57
  says
• 33:58
  different
• 33:59
  to
• 33:59
  those
• 33:59
  who
• 34:00
  are
• 34:00
  outside
• 34:00
  the
• 34:00
  celebrant
• 34:01
  community,
• 34:03
  they
• 34:03
  might
• 34:03
  think
• 34:03
  they've
• 34:04
  got
• 34:04
  less
• 34:05
  of
• 34:05
  an
• 34:05
  interest
• 34:06
  in
• 34:06
  this,
• 34:08
  but
• 34:08
  actually,
• 34:09
  this
• 34:09
  could
• 34:09
  transform
• 34:11
  the
• 34:11
  industry
• 34:12
  going
• 34:12
  forward
• 34:13
  and
• 34:13
  could
• 34:13
  make
• 34:14
  a
• 34:14
  significant
• 34:15
  difference
• 34:16
  not
• 34:16
  least
• 34:16
  in
• 34:16
  terms
• 34:16
  of
• 34:17
  if
• 34:17
  it's
• 34:17
  saving
• 34:17
  the
• 34:18
  couple
• 34:18
  the
• 34:18
  price
• 34:18
  of
• 34:19
  the
• 34:19
  second
• 34:19
  ceremony,
• 34:20
  then
• 34:20
  that
• 34:21
  money
• 34:21
  could
• 34:21
  be
• 34:21
  spent
• 34:22
  elsewhere.
• 34:23
  And
• 34:23
  also,
• 34:24
  you
• 34:24
  know,
• 34:25
  ceremonies
• 34:26
  outside
• 34:26
  of
• 34:28
  approved
• 34:28
  premises
• 34:29
  are
• 34:29
  ready
• 34:30
  and
• 34:30
  religious
• 34:31
  premises,
• 34:31
  but
• 34:31
  like,
• 34:32
  already
• 34:32
  popular,
• 34:33
  but
• 34:33
  this
• 34:34
  will
• 34:34
  make
• 34:34
  them
• 34:35
  even
• 34:35
  more
• 34:35
  popular.
• 34:37
  And
• 34:37
  so,
• 34:38
  you
• 34:38
  know,
• 34:39
  it's
• 34:39
  a
• 34:39
  real
• 34:40
  opportunity
• 34:41
  there
• 34:42
  to
• 34:42
  grasp
• 34:43
  it
• 34:44
  and
• 34:45
  to
• 34:45
  start
• 34:45
  making
• 34:47
  partnerships.
• 34:48
  So
• 34:48
  in
• 34:48
  terms
• 34:48
  of
• 34:48
  sort
• 34:49
  of
• 34:49
  wedding
• 34:49
  venues
• 34:50
  and
• 34:50
  that
• 34:50
  kind
• 34:50
  of
• 34:50
  thing,
• 34:52
  how
• 34:52
  many
• 34:52
  of
• 34:52
  them
• 34:53
  are
• 34:53
  where
• 34:54
  and
• 34:54
  in
• 34:54
  contact
• 34:55
  with
• 34:55
  independent
• 34:56
  celebrants?
• 34:57
  Because
• 34:58
  at
• 34:58
  the
• 34:58
  moment
• 34:58
  they
• 34:59
  don't
• 34:59
  particularly
• 35:00
  want
• 35:01
  to
• 35:01
  be,
• 35:01
  because
• 35:02
  they
• 35:02
  will
• 35:02
  want
• 35:03
  their
• 35:03
  marriages
• 35:03
  to
• 35:04
  be
• 35:04
  approved
• 35:05
  by
• 35:05
  registrars.
• 35:06
  So
• 35:06
  it's
• 35:07
  legal
• 35:07
  in
• 35:07
  assets.
• 35:09
  But
• 35:09
  this
• 35:10
  change
• 35:11
  will
• 35:11
  completely
• 35:12
  and
• 35:12
  utterly
• 35:13
  revolutionize
• 35:14
  that
• 35:15
  and
• 35:15
  open
• 35:15
  it
• 35:16
  up.
• 35:16
  And
• 35:17
  also
• 35:17
  this
• 35:17
  is
• 35:17
  incredibly
• 35:18
  important,
• 35:18
  make
• 35:19
  it
• 35:19
  much
• 35:19
  more
• 35:20
  straightforward.
• 35:21
  And
• 35:21
  that's
• 35:21
  for
• 35:22
  everyone,
• 35:22
  particularly
• 35:23
  the
• 35:23
  couples.
• 35:24
  Who
• 35:24
  are
• 35:24
  completely
• 35:25
  confused.
• 35:26
  Well,
• 35:27
  yeah,
• 35:27
  I
• 35:27
  mean,
• 35:27
  you
• 35:27
  know,
• 35:28
  who
• 35:28
  talks
• 35:29
  about
• 35:29
  their
• 35:29
  marriage
• 35:29
  as
• 35:29
  the
• 35:29
  happiest
• 35:30
  days
• 35:30
  of
• 35:30
  their
• 35:31
  life?
• 35:31
  Right.
• 35:31
  You
• 35:31
  know
• 35:31
  what
• 35:32
  I
• 35:32
  mean?
• 35:32
  It
• 35:33
  goes
• 35:33
  completely
• 35:33
  and
• 35:34
  at
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  counter
• 35:35
  to
• 35:35
  everyone's
• 35:36
  idea
• 35:36
  about
• 35:37
  what
• 35:37
  a
• 35:37
  wedding
• 35:37
  is.
• 35:38
  So
• 35:40
  it
• 35:40
  doesn't
• 35:41
  fit.
• 35:41
  It
• 35:41
  hasn't
• 35:41
  fitted
• 35:42
  for
• 35:42
  some
• 35:42
  time.
• 35:42
  It
• 35:43
  needs
• 35:43
  to
• 35:43
  go.
• 35:44
  Now,
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  mentioned
• 35:45
  two
• 35:45
  areas
• 35:45
  who.
• 35:46
  I
• 35:46
  know
• 35:46
  both
• 35:46
  will
• 35:47
  be
• 35:47
  listening
• 35:47
  to
• 35:47
  this
• 35:47
  as
• 35:47
  well,
• 35:48
  who
• 35:48
  may
• 35:48
  be
• 35:48
  actually
• 35:49
  a
• 35:49
  little
• 35:49
  bit
• 35:49
  worried
• 35:50
  about
• 35:50
  the
• 35:50
  reform.
• 35:50
  So
• 35:50
  I'd
• 35:51
  just
• 35:51
  like
• 35:51
  to
• 35:51
  tackle
• 35:51
  that
• 35:52
  before
• 35:52
  I
• 35:52
  let
• 35:52
  you
• 35:52
  go.
• 35:53
  One
• 35:53
  is
• 35:53
  venues.
• 35:54
  Venues
• 35:54
  are
• 35:55
  concerned
• 35:55
  that
• 35:55
  if
• 35:56
  people
• 35:56
  can
• 35:56
  get
• 35:56
  married
• 35:56
  on
• 35:56
  a
• 35:57
  beach
• 35:57
  or
• 35:57
  in
• 35:57
  their
• 35:57
  garden,
• 35:58
  that
• 35:58
  they
• 35:58
  will
• 35:58
  lose
• 35:58
  business.
• 35:59
  And
• 36:00
  secondly
• 36:00
  is
• 36:00
  the
• 36:01
  registrars
• 36:01
  themselves
• 36:02
  who
• 36:02
  are
• 36:02
  saying,
• 36:02
  well,
• 36:03
  if
• 36:03
  they
• 36:03
  can
• 36:03
  have
• 36:03
  an
• 36:04
  independent
• 36:04
  celebrant
• 36:05
  who
• 36:05
  could
• 36:05
  do
• 36:05
  all
• 36:05
  of
• 36:05
  these
• 36:05
  things,
• 36:05
  and
• 36:06
  we're
• 36:06
  super
• 36:06
  restricted,
• 36:07
  restricted
• 36:07
  in
• 36:07
  what
• 36:07
  we
• 36:07
  can
• 36:07
  do
• 36:08
  as
• 36:08
  a
• 36:08
  registrar,
• 36:09
  are
• 36:09
  we
• 36:09
  also
• 36:10
  going
• 36:10
  to
• 36:10
  lose
• 36:10
  out
• 36:10
  here?
• 36:11
  So
• 36:11
  have
• 36:11
  you
• 36:11
  got
• 36:11
  any
• 36:12
  thoughts
• 36:12
  for
• 36:13
  those
• 36:13
  two
• 36:13
  sets
• 36:13
  of
• 36:13
  people?
• 36:14
  Well,
• 36:14
  it
• 36:14
  depends
• 36:14
  on
• 36:15
  what
• 36:15
  comes
• 36:16
  out
• 36:16
  in
• 36:16
  terms
• 36:16
  of
• 36:17
  the
• 36:17
  final
• 36:18
  consultation,
• 36:18
  in
• 36:19
  terms
• 36:19
  of
• 36:19
  the
• 36:20
  final
• 36:20
  bill.
• 36:21
  But
• 36:21
  in
• 36:21
  terms
• 36:22
  of
• 36:22
  registrars,
• 36:22
  I
• 36:23
  think
• 36:23
  it's
• 36:23
  highly
• 36:23
  likely
• 36:24
  that
• 36:24
  the
• 36:24
  opportunity
• 36:25
  will
• 36:25
  also
• 36:25
  be
• 36:25
  made
• 36:26
  to.
• 36:27
  Will
• 36:27
  be
• 36:27
  used
• 36:28
  to
• 36:28
  liberalize
• 36:29
  the
• 36:29
  law
• 36:29
  on
• 36:29
  that.
• 36:30
  And,
• 36:30
  you
• 36:30
  know,
• 36:31
  I
• 36:31
  think
• 36:31
  sort
• 36:31
  of
• 36:32
  the
• 36:32
  key
• 36:32
  thing,
• 36:33
  the
• 36:33
  message
• 36:34
  I
• 36:34
  would
• 36:34
  give
• 36:34
  to
• 36:34
  registrars
• 36:35
  and
• 36:35
  those
• 36:36
  involved
• 36:36
  in
• 36:37
  sort
• 36:37
  of
• 36:37
  policymaking
• 36:38
  there
• 36:39
  would
• 36:39
  be
• 36:39
  to
• 36:40
  see
• 36:40
  this
• 36:40
  as
• 36:41
  what
• 36:41
  it
• 36:41
  is
• 36:42
  and
• 36:42
  to
• 36:42
  see
• 36:42
  this
• 36:42
  as
• 36:43
  embodying
• 36:43
  choice.
• 36:44
  And
• 36:44
  so
• 36:44
  actually,
• 36:45
  I
• 36:45
  think
• 36:45
  the
• 36:45
  key
• 36:46
  thing
• 36:46
  is
• 36:46
  that
• 36:46
  sort
• 36:47
  of,
• 36:47
  you
• 36:47
  know,
• 36:47
  at
• 36:48
  the
• 36:48
  moment,
• 36:48
  it's
• 36:48
  a
• 36:48
  real
• 36:49
  postcode
• 36:49
  lottery
• 36:50
  in
• 36:50
  terms
• 36:51
  of
• 36:51
  what
• 36:51
  you
• 36:51
  can
• 36:51
  get
• 36:52
  in
• 36:52
  registrar
• 36:52
  offices.
• 36:53
  And
• 36:54
  the
• 36:54
  more
• 36:54
  that
• 36:55
  can
• 36:55
  change,
• 36:56
  I
• 36:56
  would
• 36:56
  suggest,
• 36:57
  the
• 36:58
  less
• 36:58
  likely
• 36:59
  that
• 36:59
  this
• 37:00
  is
• 37:00
  going
• 37:00
  to
• 37:00
  have
• 37:00
  any
• 37:00
  sort
• 37:01
  of
• 37:02
  financial
• 37:04
  detrimental
• 37:05
  effect.
• 37:05
  On
• 37:05
  them.
• 37:06
  Because
• 37:06
  you
• 37:07
  know,
• 37:07
  there
• 37:07
  are
• 37:07
  a
• 37:07
  lot
• 37:08
  of
• 37:08
  approved
• 37:08
  premises
• 37:09
  which
• 37:09
  people
• 37:10
  will
• 37:10
  still
• 37:11
  want
• 37:11
  to
• 37:11
  get
• 37:11
  married
• 37:11
  in.
• 37:12
  They
• 37:12
  already
• 37:13
  now
• 37:13
  include
• 37:13
  outside
• 37:14
  spaces
• 37:15
  of
• 37:15
  those
• 37:15
  approved
• 37:16
  premises.
• 37:16
  That
• 37:16
  is
• 37:17
  now
• 37:17
  that's
• 37:17
  been
• 37:17
  law
• 37:17
  for
• 37:18
  the
• 37:18
  last
• 37:18
  couple
• 37:18
  of
• 37:18
  years.
• 37:20
  And
• 37:20
  so,
• 37:21
  you
• 37:21
  know,
• 37:21
  I
• 37:21
  think
• 37:22
  the
• 37:22
  more
• 37:22
  they
• 37:22
  can
• 37:22
  make
• 37:22
  the
• 37:23
  most
• 37:23
  of
• 37:23
  that
• 37:25
  and
• 37:26
  have
• 37:26
  different
• 37:26
  options
• 37:27
  available
• 37:27
  for
• 37:28
  different
• 37:28
  couples,
• 37:29
  the
• 37:29
  better
• 37:29
  because
• 37:30
  it's
• 37:30
  not
• 37:30
  one
• 37:30
  size
• 37:30
  fits
• 37:31
  all.
• 37:31
  I
• 37:31
  think
• 37:31
  that's
• 37:31
  the
• 37:32
  problem
• 37:33
  there
• 37:35
  in
• 37:35
  terms
• 37:35
  of
• 37:36
  venues,
• 37:38
  I
• 37:38
  think
• 37:38
  exactly
• 37:39
  the
• 37:39
  same.
• 37:41
  It
• 37:41
  will
• 37:41
  be
• 37:41
  about
• 37:42
  marketing
• 37:43
  what
• 37:43
  is
• 37:44
  special
• 37:44
  about
• 37:45
  your
• 37:45
  venue
• 37:46
  and
• 37:46
  also
• 37:47
  it'll
• 37:47
  be
• 37:48
  crystal
• 37:48
  clear
• 37:49
  that
• 37:49
  weddings
• 37:50
  that
• 37:50
  take
• 37:50
  place
• 37:50
  there
• 37:51
  will
• 37:51
  be
• 37:51
  legally
• 37:52
  binded,
• 37:52
  whereas
• 37:52
  at
• 37:52
  the
• 37:53
  moment
• 37:53
  is
• 37:53
  only
• 37:53
  as
• 37:53
  if
• 37:54
  it's
• 37:54
  an
• 37:54
  approved
• 37:54
  premises
• 37:55
  and
• 37:55
  there's
• 37:56
  strings
• 37:56
  attached
• 37:57
  to
• 37:57
  that.
• 37:58
  So
• 37:58
  actually
• 37:59
  in
• 37:59
  many
• 37:59
  ways
• 38:00
  this
• 38:00
  will
• 38:01
  place
• 38:02
  obligations
• 38:03
  which
• 38:03
  were
• 38:04
  formerly
• 38:04
  on
• 38:05
  the
• 38:05
  place
• 38:06
  on
• 38:06
  the
• 38:06
  celebrant.
• 38:07
  So
• 38:07
  there
• 38:07
  are,
• 38:08
  there's,
• 38:08
  there's
• 38:09
  good
• 38:09
  news
• 38:09
  for
• 38:09
  them
• 38:10
  in,
• 38:10
  in
• 38:10
  that
• 38:11
  regard.
• 38:11
  And
• 38:12
  you
• 38:12
  know,
• 38:13
  the
• 38:13
  difference
• 38:13
  they
• 38:14
  will
• 38:14
  have
• 38:14
  over
• 38:15
  a
• 38:15
  outdoor
• 38:16
  place
• 38:16
  like
• 38:16
  a
• 38:16
  beach
• 38:17
  is
• 38:18
  that
• 38:18
  they
• 38:18
  can
• 38:18
  offer
• 38:18
  the
• 38:19
  whole
• 38:19
  thing,
• 38:20
  the
• 38:20
  ceremony
• 38:21
  and
• 38:21
  the
• 38:22
  reception.
• 38:23
  So
• 38:23
  you
• 38:23
  know,
• 38:23
  I
• 38:24
  don't
• 38:24
  think
• 38:25
  it's
• 38:25
  going
• 38:25
  to
• 38:25
  radically
• 38:27
  change
• 38:28
  overnight
• 38:29
  how
• 38:29
  people
• 38:29
  get
• 38:30
  married.
• 38:31
  I
• 38:31
  think
• 38:31
  what
• 38:31
  it's
• 38:31
  going
• 38:31
  to
• 38:32
  do
• 38:32
  is
• 38:32
  it's
• 38:33
  going
• 38:33
  to
• 38:34
  make
• 38:34
  certain
• 38:36
  ways
• 38:36
  of
• 38:36
  getting
• 38:37
  married
• 38:37
  legally
• 38:37
  binding
• 38:38
  and
• 38:38
  so
• 38:39
  remove
• 38:39
  the
• 38:39
  need
• 38:40
  for
• 38:40
  that
• 38:40
  second
• 38:41
  ceremony.
• 38:41
  And
• 38:42
  ok,
• 38:43
  that's
• 38:43
  going
• 38:43
  to
• 38:43
  cost
• 38:44
  if.
• 38:44
  Anything,
• 38:45
  depending
• 38:45
  on
• 38:45
  what
• 38:46
  happens
• 38:46
  and
• 38:46
  what
• 38:46
  the
• 38:46
  reform
• 38:47
  says.
• 38:47
  And
• 38:48
  going
• 38:48
  back
• 38:48
  to
• 38:48
  my
• 38:48
  point
• 38:49
  earlier
• 38:49
  about
• 38:49
  maybe
• 38:49
  you
• 38:50
  could
• 38:50
  end
• 38:50
  up
• 38:50
  having
• 38:50
  a
• 38:50
  religious
• 38:51
  ceremony
• 38:51
  on
• 38:52
  a
• 38:52
  football
• 38:52
  pitch.
• 38:53
  Actually
• 38:53
  if,
• 38:53
  if
• 38:54
  that
• 38:54
  is
• 38:55
  able
• 38:55
  to
• 38:55
  happen,
• 38:55
  then
• 38:56
  it
• 38:56
  actually
• 38:56
  opens
• 38:57
  up
• 38:57
  more
• 38:57
  opportunities
• 38:58
  to
• 38:58
  those
• 38:59
  venues
• 38:59
  whereby
• 39:00
  people
• 39:00
  who
• 39:00
  were
• 39:01
  only
• 39:01
  able
• 39:01
  to
• 39:02
  get
• 39:02
  married
• 39:02
  in
• 39:02
  a
• 39:02
  place
• 39:02
  of
• 39:03
  religion
• 39:03
  may
• 39:04
  now
• 39:04
  actually
• 39:04
  be
• 39:04
  able
• 39:05
  to
• 39:05
  book
• 39:05
  and
• 39:05
  have
• 39:06
  that
• 39:06
  ceremony
• 39:07
  in
• 39:07
  their
• 39:07
  venue
• 39:08
  which
• 39:08
  could
• 39:08
  actually
• 39:08
  open
• 39:09
  up
• 39:09
  a
• 39:09
  huge
• 39:09
  new
• 39:09
  market
• 39:10
  to
• 39:10
  them.
• 39:10
  Absolutely.
• 39:11
  And
• 39:11
  it'll
• 39:11
  be
• 39:11
  a
• 39:12
  question
• 39:12
  of
• 39:12
  those
• 39:13
  venues
• 39:14
  having
• 39:14
  connections
• 39:15
  with
• 39:15
  a
• 39:16
  wide
• 39:16
  range
• 39:16
  of
• 39:16
  celebrants
• 39:17
  that
• 39:18
  will
• 39:18
  be
• 39:18
  key
• 39:19
  rather
• 39:19
  than
• 39:19
  just
• 39:20
  sort
• 39:20
  of
• 39:20
  doing,
• 39:21
  offering
• 39:22
  what
• 39:22
  they've
• 39:22
  always
• 39:22
  done,
• 39:23
  if
• 39:23
  that
• 39:23
  makes
• 39:23
  sense.
• 39:24
  But
• 39:24
  yeah,
• 39:24
  absolutely.
• 39:25
  You
• 39:25
  know,
• 39:26
  I
• 39:26
  think
• 39:26
  that
• 39:26
  there's,
• 39:26
  there's
• 39:27
  huge
• 39:27
  potential
• 39:28
  here
• 39:28
  and
• 39:29
  you
• 39:29
  know,
• 39:29
  the
• 39:30
  key
• 39:30
  key
• 39:30
  winners
• 39:31
  I
• 39:31
  think
• 39:31
  are
• 39:31
  couples.
• 39:32
  And
• 39:32
  that's
• 39:33
  how
• 39:33
  it
• 39:33
  should
• 39:33
  be.
• 39:33
  Yeah,
• 39:34
  absolutely.
• 39:35
  Now
• 39:35
  if
• 39:35
  people
• 39:35
  want
• 39:36
  to
• 39:36
  find
• 39:36
  out
• 39:36
  more
• 39:36
  or
• 39:37
  stay
• 39:37
  informed
• 39:37
  because
• 39:38
  this
• 39:38
  is
• 39:38
  an
• 39:38
  ever
• 39:38
  changing
• 39:39
  but
• 39:39
  slow
• 39:39
  moving
• 39:40
  beast.
• 39:40
  I've
• 39:41
  already
• 39:41
  mentioned
• 39:41
  your
• 39:42
  Instagram.
• 39:42
  Are
• 39:42
  there
• 39:42
  any
• 39:42
  other
• 39:43
  trust
• 39:43
  trusted
• 39:44
  sources
• 39:44
  places
• 39:44
  they
• 39:45
  should
• 39:45
  be
• 39:45
  looking
• 39:45
  for
• 39:46
  this
• 39:46
  information?
• 39:46
  Because
• 39:47
  I
• 39:47
  know
• 39:47
  it's
• 39:47
  a
• 39:48
  bit
• 39:48
  of
• 39:48
  a
• 39:48
  mixed
• 39:48
  bag
• 39:48
  out
• 39:49
  there
• 39:49
  and
• 39:49
  some
• 39:49
  of
• 39:49
  it's
• 39:49
  quite
• 39:50
  biased
• 39:50
  towards
• 39:50
  certain
• 39:51
  areas,
• 39:52
  where's
• 39:52
  the
• 39:52
  best
• 39:52
  place
• 39:53
  for
• 39:53
  them
• 39:53
  to
• 39:53
  find
• 39:54
  as
• 39:54
  much
• 39:54
  neutral
• 39:54
  information
• 39:55
  as
• 39:55
  they
• 39:55
  can?
• 39:56
  Well,
• 39:56
  the
• 39:56
  Law
• 39:56
  Commission,
• 39:57
  when
• 39:57
  they
• 39:57
  publish
• 39:58
  their
• 39:58
  big
• 39:58
  500
• 39:59
  page
• 39:59
  report,
• 40:00
  also
• 40:00
  published
• 40:01
  some
• 40:01
  summaries.
• 40:02
  So
• 40:02
  they're
• 40:03
  very
• 40:03
  useful
• 40:03
  in
• 40:03
  terms
• 40:03
  of
• 40:05
  a
• 40:05
  fairly
• 40:06
  short,
• 40:07
  in
• 40:07
  comparison
• 40:08
  to
• 40:08
  500
• 40:08
  pages
• 40:10
  account
• 40:10
  of
• 40:11
  what
• 40:11
  they're
• 40:11
  proposing
• 40:12
  and
• 40:12
  the
• 40:12
  issues.
• 40:14
  My
• 40:14
  book
• 40:15
  on
• 40:15
  the
• 40:15
  topic,
• 40:15
  as
• 40:16
  I
• 40:16
  mentioned,
• 40:17
  deals
• 40:17
  with
• 40:17
  it.
• 40:17
  And
• 40:17
  on
• 40:18
  the
• 40:18
  book's
• 40:18
  website,
• 40:19
  on
• 40:19
  Bristol
• 40:19
  University
• 40:20
  Press
• 40:20
  website,
• 40:21
  there's
• 40:21
  a
• 40:21
  couple
• 40:21
  of
• 40:22
  other
• 40:23
  documents,
• 40:24
  a
• 40:24
  policy
• 40:24
  document
• 40:25
  which
• 40:26
  basically
• 40:26
  summarizes
• 40:28
  the
• 40:28
  main
• 40:29
  arguments.
• 40:29
  The
• 40:30
  book
• 40:30
  is
• 40:30
  there
• 40:30
  and
• 40:30
  that's
• 40:31
  freely
• 40:31
  available,
• 40:33
  so
• 40:34
  there's
• 40:35
  quite
• 40:35
  a
• 40:35
  lot
• 40:35
  out
• 40:35
  there.
• 40:36
  But
• 40:36
  as
• 40:36
  you
• 40:36
  say,
• 40:37
  you've
• 40:37
  also
• 40:38
  got
• 40:38
  to
• 40:38
  be
• 40:38
  wise
• 40:38
  in
• 40:38
  terms
• 40:39
  of,
• 40:39
  of
• 40:39
  who's
• 40:40
  saying
• 40:40
  what
• 40:40
  and
• 40:41
  what
• 40:41
  they're
• 40:41
  trying
• 40:42
  to
• 40:42
  protect
• 40:42
  and,
• 40:43
  you
• 40:43
  know,
• 40:43
  what
• 40:43
  vested
• 40:44
  interests
• 40:44
  they
• 40:44
  have.
• 40:45
  My
• 40:46
  best
• 40:46
  interest
• 40:46
  is
• 40:47
  simply
• 40:47
  I
• 40:47
  want
• 40:47
  the
• 40:47
  law
• 40:48
  to
• 40:48
  be
• 40:48
  accessible.
• 40:49
  I
• 40:49
  want
• 40:49
  to
• 40:50
  try
• 40:50
  and
• 40:50
  remove
• 40:51
  things
• 40:51
  which
• 40:51
  are
• 40:52
  causing
• 40:52
  discrimination
• 40:53
  and
• 40:53
  inequality.
• 40:55
  You
• 40:56
  know,
• 40:56
  I've
• 40:57
  got
• 40:57
  no
• 40:57
  sort
• 40:57
  of
• 40:58
  stake
• 40:58
  in
• 40:59
  the
• 40:59
  game
• 40:59
  other
• 40:59
  than
• 41:00
  that.
• 41:01
  So,
• 41:02
  yeah,
• 41:02
  I
• 41:02
  mean,
• 41:02
  like
• 41:02
  I
• 41:02
  said,
• 41:03
  there's
• 41:03
  those
• 41:03
  materials,
• 41:04
  the
• 41:04
  Law
• 41:04
  Commission
• 41:05
  stuff.
• 41:06
  Yeah,
• 41:06
  the
• 41:06
  summaries
• 41:07
  are
• 41:07
  very,
• 41:07
  very
• 41:07
  useful.
• 41:09
  Perfect.
• 41:10
  All
• 41:10
  right,
• 41:10
  as
• 41:11
  we
• 41:11
  finish,
• 41:11
  then,
• 41:11
  I'm
• 41:12
  going
• 41:12
  to
• 41:12
  ask
• 41:12
  you
• 41:12
  one
• 41:12
  final
• 41:12
  question,
• 41:13
  which
• 41:13
  is
• 41:14
  why
• 41:14
  should
• 41:14
  the
• 41:14
  industry
• 41:15
  as
• 41:15
  a
• 41:15
  whole,
• 41:15
  the
• 41:16
  wider
• 41:16
  industry,
• 41:16
  not
• 41:17
  the
• 41:17
  celebrants,
• 41:18
  why
• 41:18
  should
• 41:18
  we
• 41:18
  care
• 41:19
  about
• 41:19
  this
• 41:19
  at
• 41:19
  all?
• 41:20
  Well,
• 41:20
  I
• 41:20
  think
• 41:21
  the
• 41:21
  reason
• 41:22
  it's
• 41:22
  worth
• 41:22
  caring
• 41:23
  about
• 41:23
  is
• 41:23
  that
• 41:23
  it
• 41:24
  will
• 41:24
  make
• 41:24
  things
• 41:25
  easier
• 41:26
  to
• 41:26
  explain,
• 41:27
  it
• 41:27
  will
• 41:27
  make
• 41:28
  things
• 41:28
  more
• 41:28
  accessible,
• 41:29
  it
• 41:29
  will
• 41:29
  make
• 41:30
  things
• 41:30
  more
• 41:30
  equal
• 41:31
  and
• 41:31
  it
• 41:31
  will
• 41:31
  open
• 41:32
  doors
• 41:32
  which
• 41:33
  have
• 41:33
  previously
• 41:33
  been
• 41:34
  closed
• 41:35
  and
• 41:35
  that
• 41:36
  will
• 41:36
  make
• 41:36
  a
• 41:36
  difference
• 41:37
  in
• 41:38
  terms
• 41:38
  of.
• 41:38
  It'll
• 41:38
  make
• 41:38
  a
• 41:39
  difference
• 41:39
  to
• 41:39
  the
• 41:39
  couples,
• 41:40
  but
• 41:40
  it'll
• 41:40
  make
• 41:40
  a
• 41:41
  difference
• 41:41
  to
• 41:42
  various
• 41:43
  different
• 41:43
  stakeholders
• 41:44
  and
• 41:44
  various
• 41:45
  people
• 41:45
  involved
• 41:45
  in
• 41:45
  the
• 41:46
  wedding
• 41:46
  industry.
• 41:46
  And,
• 41:47
  you
• 41:47
  know,
• 41:47
  have
• 41:48
  a
• 41:48
  look
• 41:48
  at
• 41:49
  the
• 41:49
  Ministry
• 41:49
  of
• 41:49
  Justice
• 41:50
  press
• 41:50
  release.
• 41:51
  It
• 41:51
  framed
• 41:52
  this
• 41:52
  very
• 41:53
  much
• 41:53
  in
• 41:53
  economic
• 41:54
  terms.
• 41:54
  And
• 41:55
  so
• 41:55
  if
• 41:55
  you're
• 41:55
  someone
• 41:56
  who
• 41:56
  makes
• 41:56
  their
• 41:57
  money
• 41:57
  out
• 41:57
  of
• 41:57
  weddings,
• 41:58
  it's
• 41:59
  going
• 41:59
  to
• 41:59
  have
• 41:59
  an
• 42:00
  effect
• 42:00
  on
• 42:00
  you.
• 42:01
  And
• 42:01
  the
• 42:01
  key
• 42:02
  thing
• 42:02
  is
• 42:02
  that
• 42:03
  A,
• 42:04
  it
• 42:05
  happens,
• 42:06
  which,
• 42:06
  as
• 42:06
  I
• 42:06
  say,
• 42:07
  is
• 42:07
  no
• 42:07
  done
• 42:07
  deal
• 42:07
  at
• 42:07
  the
• 42:08
  moment,
• 42:08
  and
• 42:08
  B,
• 42:09
  it
• 42:09
  happens
• 42:09
  in
• 42:09
  a
• 42:10
  way
• 42:11
  that
• 42:12
  doesn't
• 42:12
  cause
• 42:12
  your
• 42:13
  detriment.
• 42:14
  So
• 42:14
  it's
• 42:14
  something
• 42:14
  that's
• 42:14
  definitely
• 42:15
  worth
• 42:15
  engaging
• 42:15
  with.
• 42:16
  Yes,
• 42:16
  it's
• 42:16
  complicated.
• 42:17
  Yes,
• 42:17
  it's
• 42:17
  often
• 42:18
  dull.
• 42:19
  Yes,
• 42:19
  it's
• 42:19
  one
• 42:19
  of
• 42:20
  those
• 42:20
  things
• 42:20
  which
• 42:20
  is
• 42:21
  incredibly
• 42:21
  slow
• 42:22
  moving,
• 42:22
  but
• 42:22
  every
• 42:22
  now
• 42:23
  and
• 42:23
  again
• 42:23
  something
• 42:23
  happens
• 42:24
  out
• 42:24
  of
• 42:24
  the
• 42:24
  blue.
• 42:24
  I
• 42:25
  mean,
• 42:25
  you
• 42:25
  know,
• 42:25
  probably
• 42:26
  it'll
• 42:26
  be
• 42:26
  a
• 42:26
  random
• 42:27
  Wednesday
• 42:27
  afternoon
• 42:27
  when
• 42:28
  the
• 42:28
  consultation
• 42:28
  papers,
• 42:29
  it
• 42:29
  sort
• 42:29
  of
• 42:29
  comes
• 42:30
  out
• 42:31
  and
• 42:31
  it'll
• 42:31
  take
• 42:31
  us
• 42:32
  all
• 42:32
  by
• 42:32
  surprise.
• 42:34
  But
• 42:35
  nevertheless,
• 42:36
  this
• 42:36
  is
• 42:36
  important
• 42:36
  stuff.
• 42:37
  It's
• 42:37
  once
• 42:37
  in
• 42:38
  a
• 42:38
  generation
• 42:39
  an
• 42:39
  opportunity,
• 42:40
  really
• 42:40
  to
• 42:41
  get
• 42:41
  a
• 42:41
  marriage
• 42:42
  law
• 42:42
  which
• 42:42
  is
• 42:42
  suitable
• 42:43
  for
• 42:43
  21st
• 42:44
  century.
• 42:44
  Amazing.
• 42:45
  Russell,
• 42:45
  thank
• 42:45
  you
• 42:46
  so
• 42:46
  much
• 42:46
  for
• 42:46
  your
• 42:46
  time.
• 42:47
  I'm
• 42:47
  sure
• 42:47
  this
• 42:47
  won't
• 42:47
  be
• 42:48
  the
• 42:48
  last
• 42:48
  time
• 42:48
  we
• 42:48
  speak.
• 42:49
  I'm
• 42:49
  sure
• 42:49
  that
• 42:49
  we
• 42:49
  will
• 42:50
  speak
• 42:50
  again
• 42:51
  when
• 42:51
  updates
• 42:51
  come
• 42:52
  in
• 42:52
  the
• 42:52
  future.
• 42:52
  But
• 42:53
  let
• 42:53
  me
• 42:53
  reiterate
• 42:54
  again,
• 42:54
  we
• 42:54
  are
• 42:54
  thankful
• 42:55
  as
• 42:55
  an
• 42:55
  industry
• 42:55
  that
• 42:55
  you
• 42:56
  care
• 42:56
  about
• 42:57
  what's
• 42:57
  going
• 42:57
  on
• 42:57
  in
• 42:57
  our
• 42:57
  industry
• 42:58
  and
• 42:58
  also
• 42:59
  really,
• 42:59
  really
• 43:00
  understand
• 43:00
  it
• 43:01
  and
• 43:01
  can
• 43:01
  help
• 43:01
  us
• 43:02
  all
• 43:02
  understand
• 43:02
  it
• 43:03
  in
• 43:03
  more
• 43:03
  simpler
• 43:04
  terms.
• 43:04
  So
• 43:04
  thank
• 43:05
  you
• 43:05
  for
• 43:05
  the
• 43:05
  time,
• 43:05
  the
• 43:06
  energy,
• 43:06
  the
• 43:06
  effort
• 43:06
  that
• 43:07
  you're
• 43:07
  putting
• 43:07
  into
• 43:07
  it,
• 43:08
  and
• 43:08
  I'm
• 43:08
  sure
• 43:08
  once
• 43:08
  this
• 43:08
  podcast
• 43:09
  episode
• 43:09
  is
• 43:09
  released,
• 43:10
  you'll
• 43:10
  be
• 43:10
  even
• 43:10
  greater
• 43:11
  a
• 43:11
  celebrity
• 43:11
  in
• 43:12
  the
• 43:12
  wedding
• 43:12
  world
• 43:12
  than
• 43:12
  you
• 43:13
  were
• 43:13
  before.
• 43:13
  And
• 43:13
  I'm
• 43:13
  sure
• 43:14
  lots
• 43:14
  more
• 43:14
  people
• 43:14
  are
• 43:14
  going
• 43:14
  to
• 43:15
  follow
• 43:15
  along
• 43:16
  to
• 43:16
  just
• 43:16
  get
• 43:16
  those
• 43:17
  updates
• 43:17
  from
• 43:17
  you.
• 43:17
  So
• 43:18
  thank
• 43:18
  you
• 43:18
  so
• 43:18
  much
• 43:19
  for
• 43:19
  your
• 43:19
  time.
• 43:19
  I'm
• 43:19
  excited
• 43:20
  to
• 43:20
  see
• 43:20
  what
• 43:20
  comes
• 43:20
  next.
• 43:21
  Thank
• 43:21
  you
• 43:21
  very
• 43:21
  much.
• 43:21
  As
• 43:22
  am
• 43:22
  I.
• 43:22
  I
• 43:22
  hope
• 43:22
  you
• 43:23
  enjoyed
• 43:23
  that
• 43:23
  episode
• 43:24
  with
• 43:24
  Russell.
• 43:24
  I
• 43:24
  know
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  it's
• 43:25
  complicated,
• 43:26
  I
• 43:26
  know
• 43:26
  that
• 43:26
  it's
• 43:26
  heavy
• 43:27
  going
• 43:27
  trying
• 43:27
  to
• 43:27
  get
• 43:27
  your
• 43:28
  head
• 43:28
  around
• 43:28
  this
• 43:28
  law,
• 43:29
  but
• 43:29
  now
• 43:29
  is
• 43:30
  the
• 43:30
  time
• 43:30
  for
• 43:30
  us
• 43:30
  as
• 43:31
  an
• 43:31
  industry
• 43:31
  to
• 43:31
  act
• 43:32
  and
• 43:32
  to
• 43:32
  get
• 43:32
  behind
• 43:32
  this.
• 43:33
  As
• 43:33
  Russell
• 43:33
  said,
• 43:34
  this
• 43:34
  is
• 43:34
  a
• 43:34
  once
• 43:34
  in
• 43:35
  a
• 43:35
  generation
• 43:35
  opportunity
• 43:36
  to
• 43:36
  have
• 43:36
  an
• 43:37
  input
• 43:37
  in
• 43:37
  this.
• 43:38
  And
• 43:38
  I
• 43:38
  believe
• 43:38
  now
• 43:38
  it's
• 43:39
  the
• 43:39
  time
• 43:39
  for
• 43:39
  not
• 43:39
  just
• 43:39
  the
• 43:40
  celebrants,
• 43:40
  but
• 43:40
  the
• 43:40
  wider
• 43:41
  industry
• 43:41
  as
• 43:41
  a
• 43:41
  whole
• 43:42
  to
• 43:42
  go
• 43:42
  and
• 43:43
  talk
• 43:43
  to
• 43:43
  their
• 43:43
  MPs
• 43:44
  to
• 43:44
  make
• 43:44
  their
• 43:44
  voices
• 43:44
  heard
• 43:45
  on
• 43:45
  this
• 43:45
  matter
• 43:46
  so
• 43:46
  that
• 43:46
  we
• 43:46
  can
• 43:46
  have
• 43:47
  an
• 43:47
  impact.
• 43:48
  If
• 43:48
  you
• 43:48
  want
• 43:48
  help
• 43:48
  with
• 43:49
  that,
• 43:49
  reach
• 43:49
  out
• 43:49
  to
• 43:49
  me,
• 43:50
  reach
• 43:50
  out
• 43:50
  to
• 43:50
  Russell.
• 43:51
  We'd
• 43:51
  love
• 43:51
  to
• 43:51
  chat
• 43:52
  more
• 43:52
  with
• 43:52
  you
• 43:52
  about
• 43:53
  it
• 43:53
  and
• 43:53
  I'll
• 43:54
  see
• 43:54
  you
• 43:54
  all
• 43:54
  next
• 43:54
  time.