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#120 - From Pearl Jam to Podcasting - Music, Memories, & Meaning · The Chris and Mike Show

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We're live on the YouTube boys and girls.
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Hello. Hola.
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Hola MI Amor cristobal como esta.
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Miguel. Hola, Miguel.
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Don de Salam Bano. That was where's the bathroom
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there, man? That's it, That's all.
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That's all I've hoped past. Here we go, You know we're just
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going to this play. One of my favorite songs.
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We ever wrote. I like I blew out the thing.
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We win. This world's a day.
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We have a picture. Yeah.
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Hello boys and girls. It's Chris.
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That's Mike. It's the Chris and Mike show.
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What's up, ladies and gentlemen? Yes.
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What's up ladies? It's just us.
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Today we had somebody coming on that deemed herself the
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survivor, but apparently she has not survived since the last time
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we instructed her to come on the show today.
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Well, we hope she survived. Well, yeah, it's just, you know,
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that was my clever plan. Words.
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I don't know what her we never like dove deep into things, you
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know, as far as insurance and outs of of what we're going to
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talk about. But it's OK, we got plan to talk
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about because. In the grand scheme of things,
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I'm voting for flaking out versus death.
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Right. Well, I, I, I didn't want to
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make that assumption of death. I just was being comical about
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the surviving, you know, I got, I'm a survivor.
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I'm, you know, whatever it is. So, so there's that.
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So what's going on, Mr. Mike Michaels?
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I'm enjoying some Don Francisco's with the Honey Don.
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Francisco, I had some Don Francisco earlier today.
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Man, I like the butterscotch stuff still.
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It's still my favorite. I've been stuck on it, so you
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know, I'm an Amazon Prime customer, and with Amazon Prime,
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they tell you how many times you've ordered each thing, which
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sometimes can be quite comical. I've ordered those three cans of
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coffee 37 times. Holy smokes, man.
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Yeah, I've been drinking that for a while.
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I think I'm only on our 4th or 5th jar of it.
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Well, you're you're, you're a newcomer.
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So I'm a newcomer. I am a newcomer.
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And how many, how many, how much Don Francisco coffee do you
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drink on a weekly basis? Like do you go through the
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entire can in a week or does it take a little bit longer?
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Oh, it's longer than a week for sure.
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Is it from Columbia or Peru 'cause I want to know where does
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Don Francisco come from? It's from Colombia, it says so
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right on the can. So is Don Francisco, is he a
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Don? Is he a Italian Don?
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Is he like Gotti? Like he just runs a runs an
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empire in in Colombia? No, I'm going with he's probably
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yeah. What are they in?
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They're Colombian. They're Colombian, a political
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refugee from Colombia. My name is Tony Montana.
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What's you talking about, man? What's you talking about?
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The octopus coming out of my ears, man.
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OK, OK. Kind of like Juan Valdez in his
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faithful goat. Yes, yes, yes, I remember that
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when he was walking on the ledges of of of the mountaintop,
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right. And and wasn't that the coffee
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commercial with a dude in New York City it?
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Just became it became a funny thing to say in the 90s with all
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that, you know, up and comers that thought we were cool.
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Right. Everybody just started saying
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Juan Valdez and his faithful goat.
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It was just fun. That's awesome.
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But yeah, you got it. That was the commercial.
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OK, cool. I thought so.
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So you saw the the thing we can do headlines like that, that
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CEO, which I don't understand what the big deal is about.
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Like the CEO was caught on a Cam, like a kiss Cam of the
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Coldplay concert. You see that shit and it's like
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all the rage. I did not educate me.
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It's, it's some CEO, he's at a Coldplay concert, ACEO for an
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astronomy company or something. And and he's at the Coldplay
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concert with his girlfriend while his wife's at home with
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their kids. Right.
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But, but I mean, I don't, I would never do that in my
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relationship, Right? But, and to each his own, but we
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don't know the other side of that coin.
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And everybody's, you know, oh, big deal, big deal about all
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this shit. I'm like, well, is that really
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news? Is it really relevant?
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Does is it affect his job as ACEO?
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Probably not. So I think, I think I've said on
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here many times, and I'll probably say it many more till
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people get sick of it, but you're right, life is all
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perspective, right, Right. So while on the face of it,
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yeah, that doesn't seem like it would be news, but most people
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are looking at the news like it's news.
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And what I hear when you say that is it just proves to me
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that the news is what it is, entertainment.
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Exactly. Yep, exactly 100%.
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That's what I hear when you say that headline.
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It's just because. It's entertainment.
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Right, 'cause I don't care. I'm not losing sleep because the
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guy's standing in a kiss, right? So I don't know why people are.
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I mean, there's funny stuff going on.
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Like somebody created the AI thing, Like, you know, AI nailed
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it. Because as soon as they came
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into play, the dude picked up the chick and threw her off
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screen and jumped the other direction.
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And you know. I guess I should be careful to
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say what I mean by I don't give a shit is I don't know the guy,
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right? Well, no, right.
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If he's cheating on his wife, I care a lot.
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That's wrong. You know you shouldn't be doing
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shit like that. But I don't know and you don't
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know and they don't know either. And that's your point, so.
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Yeah, it's like nobody understands what the dynamic is
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'cause it could, you know, we had, we had somebody on our show
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that that it's in. He's in an open relationship
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with his wife, right? Correct.
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And she has a hall pass for the rest of her life, as does he.
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And that's their dynamic. And there's a lot of that out
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there. Right and more.
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Than most people know. Right.
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And there's nothing wrong with that if that's if that's what
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you as a couple decide, right. So when I saw it, and then I
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started seeing more and more of it, and then people are posting
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it and I just kind of like, that's what you're focusing on.
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Like well, and it's funny that you bring that up because I
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didn't know that story, but I literally yesterday, true story,
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just had this conversation about human beings in general.
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Yes, in that we have not lived as monogamous being.
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No. For very long in the context of
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humanity, right. So if you go from, we discussed
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it on the last show, I think mitochondrial, yeah, we can
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trace everybody back to this one woman.
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Right. Yes, yes, from.
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That point forward, we have lived in most actually tribes of
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50 to 100 people and nobody knew who's each other's kids were
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because it wasn't necessary for survival, right?
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We were not monogamous. No, it was communal sex, it was
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Woodstock on steroids, but it was an everyday aspect, part of
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life. Correct.
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And the man haunted and the women gathered and did the
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cooking and taking care of the kids and whatever.
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But there was no you're my woman and that's my man.
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And that's not how people have lived.
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This is a new concept to humanity.
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So if you want to know why men cheat a lot, it's because it's
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still in our DNA, right? They're part of that is
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ingrained in that in our species.
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We're supposed to procreate and keep the human population going
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forward. We didn't.
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There was a time we, you said it, we got down to less than
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2000 people. We could have never dreamed
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there would be 8 billion people on the planet.
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Right. No, no, because those 2000
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people did so much. Here's a Here's a fun thing to
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do since you like the Google machine.
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You were born in 1970. Yes.
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OK, look at the United States population in 1970.
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This is fascinating because then we'll look at the United States
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population today, and it's crazy how fast we populate this
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planet. Yeah, especially with just 2000
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people because, you know, they had to be doing it every day.
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I'm going to guess in 1970 the population was around 215
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million. US population in no OK in 1970.
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Come on man, that's not what I asked.
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Sometimes I just this, ladies and gentlemen.
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Sometimes I just like to hear him argue with the Google
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machine. This is what I asked US,
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Population 97. This is what I got.
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OK legit what percentage of the US was white in 1970?
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I didn't say that. I said US population 1970.
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So this is thus 65% of the US population identified as white.
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Only some identified as both as white and a member of a racial
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slap ethnic minority group. This is in contrast to 93%
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identifying as white in 1970. US since since 1970.
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One 80% Nineteen, 8076 percent 90.
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I didn't. I asked the population, man.
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Like that's what I asked. It's stupid, stupid, stupid man.
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OK, so sometimes it's how you ask.
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So one thing that I learned with the Google machine and ladies
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and gentlemen, if you're listening and you're smarter
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than me, I apologize, but this might help people that are right
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where I was. Don't use the term what is so
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leave. So I just put US population in
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1970 and it came right up 203,302,031 people.
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OK, well fuck you Google. Yeah, sometimes you got to be
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smarter than the Google and that pisses me off.
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Yeah, yeah. OK, so now US population in
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2025. Are you doing it on yours or I
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need to do it on mine because we don't have it on mine.
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I'll get it. OK, how many people live in
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America? How many people?
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331 million. Well according to this it says
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340.1 million in 2024 because all of a sudden when I typed how
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many people live, that's what populated 330.1 million.
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So that's 120 some million people. 7.5 million in Arizona.
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7.5 million in Arizona. Now here's the here's a cool
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little graph I see. So in 1940 we had 484,000 people
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in Arizona. 1940 there was 400, just short of 500,000.
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People. Yep, exactly.
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So in 19, Wow, what is that 60? In 1960 we jumped to 1.4 million
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in 40. In 20 years, boys and girls,
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Arizona's population increased. Almost tripled in size.
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Well, I was going to say over a million, like legit over
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1,000,000 people in that year. And then in in from 1960 to 1988
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doubled to 2.7 million. From 1982 thousand it more than
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doubled at 5.1 million. And in two thousand 2020 it went
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from 5 million to 7.4 million, which is where this says we
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hover today. 7.4 million was the the census in 2024 or 7 point.
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Yeah. So that's crazy.
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We're like ants. We really.
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Are more like rabbits man, you know?
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I mean, just the way that we keep building.
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Yeah, You know, yeah, probably where we shouldn't.
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We we were never meant to live in that valley in the middle of
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the desert. No.
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If it wasn't for the Indians, I don't think they're Native
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American excuse. Me.
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God. Damn it.
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It's OK man, you know it's it's they built all the This is not a
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politically correct show. The Hohokam built a.
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Canal. No, but I like to.
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I like. To oh, I know it's always good
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to be politically correct and, you know, in some facets.
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That was one of the things that I learned when I moved there
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that I found fascinating, though, is that the Native
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Americans actually built the waterways from the mountains
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down to the valley so that they could grow food and live and
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can't survive without water. So.
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Yeah, so here's the Google machine, and this is from CNN.
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So Netflix shares fall as weak dollar driven forecast fails to
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impress. Whatever the hell that means.
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Where's this? Oh yeah, no, that's not what I
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saw. Something I was like, oh that
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look interesting. Well, there's a lot of those
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things that are starting to price themselves out of
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existence, man. Yeah, every year they keep
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right. You know, YouTube TV, when I
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first signed up for it was sub $60.00 for the first six months
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and then it was like 62. Now it's like 82 or 80.
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Four they. Just keep raising it every
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quarter or six months or year. They're just going to price
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themselves out of existence. They'll be like cable.
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People will have to choose which one or two they're going to
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have, or they're going to have to, I don't know, lower the
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prices. Well, it's, it's that thing like
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Nick and I were talking about the other day, like we have all
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these streaming things we need to go through and just figure
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out which ones we actually watch.
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And they just get rid of the West because it's it's it's a
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waste of money. I mean, like Paramount I get
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from a friend of mine. So that's cool.
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I wonder who that could be? Disney I get, we get From the
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Sky, so that's cool. But so then we have Apple, we
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have Hulu, we have Netflix, YouTube TV.
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What else is on there? Peacock.
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Peacock. And the reason I got Peacock, to
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be honest with you, is because he had the Super fan episodes of
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The Office, and there's other other things that trickle on
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that one. And I get that.
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I keep Netflix because I love Seinfeld.
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Right, right. Amazon Prime.
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I don't think we ever really watch, you know, every now and
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then. Amazon Prime.
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I'll send you some stuff on there that I.
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Think like, OK, and we were, when we were up at Nick's cabin
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over the 4th weekend, I was on Bruce's, Nick's partner or Bruce
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or Nick's husband. I was on his, his apple, right?
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It was his Apple. Yeah.
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And there's all kinds of shit I didn't know exist.
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I'm like, that's fascinating. But then it was his account.
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So when I got home, I couldn't find that shit.
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And I didn't think to remember. But there's some really
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fascinating documentaries on on Apple TV that I wasn't aware of.
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And I got to kind of dive into that and see, see.
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What? Maybe I should go through that
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again too. I that might overlook some stuff
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too. So, so 90s kid, OK 90s like 1990
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nineties kid. OK.
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Have you ever seen that? No, it's a documentary.
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It's a it's a really cool documentary, actually.
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So L Moon Frye, AKA Punky Brewster from our generation
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right TV show. Well, during her her lifetime as
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a, as a thespian, she carried a, a camcorder worth her the whole
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time, the entire time. So like there's, there's like
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there's, there's house parties at her house because her
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neighborhood, she grew up in a very working class, single level
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ranch style home in California. Like you wouldn't, you wouldn't
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think it. But if you think about how, how
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that all plays out with a, a child actor, they don't get the
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money till they're of age. They get paid their working
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wage, basically whatever. They're unless you're Gary
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Coleman and your parents rape all your money from you, right?
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So a very middle class lifestyle, but anything, anybody
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and every, not anybody, but almost all of the people that
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were around the Punky Brewster era.
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As far as other fellow actors in that same age, great age range,
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all of them at some point in time, they all connected with
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each other, which I think is because of the age and and back
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then, back then, the Hollywood is different than it is now,
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right? Because it was a more close
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knit, you know, But I mean, think about, I mean Saved by the
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Bell cast. Well, and they would have that
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thing that you like to talk about that I don't think I ever
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put into words as far as being in a band together.
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Nobody will ever have that feeling because you were never
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there. So they have that common ground
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of if you weren't a child actor, you don't know what it's like to
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have to work 16 hours a day when you're 10 years old, you know?
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But, and the cool thing about it was so you have all these and it
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shows all her stuff. It shows, it shows the the cute
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little punky booster growing up and all the little innocence,
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right? And then it it there's a there's
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a segment where she was out partying with someone she knew,
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you know, passed out drunk, stupid thing.
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And then, you know, when she came, basically she lost her
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virginity because the guy was took advantage of her because
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when she came out of, of whatever this was on the on the
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show, the house room, whatever, he, he, he was like, how does it
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feel to not be a virgin anymore? And she was like, what the fuck?
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Like because she was they, she went through a whole party stage
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with. How old was she?
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Teenager. No, I was, it was, I think it
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was after she was 18, but, but the, yeah, probably after 18
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because that's when she kind of started her and her core group
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of friends. They all kind of started
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dabbling with, with the different kinds of drugs and you
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know, the, the beers and the partying.
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Because she specifically, I don't know if you remember this
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or not, I vaguely do because I'm, I could care less about
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women's breasts. But she had developed from like
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nothing to like double D in, in a, in a span of like 3 or 4
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years. So once Punky Brewster ended,
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she used being typecast just for the boobs.
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Like that's how she met Mark Paul Gossler.
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So her I wouldn't remember because I guess I never
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considered Punky Brewster to be hot.
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You know, I watched the show, but yeah, I wouldn't have
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remembered that. Yeah, no, so, but she had she,
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she had developed so dramatically that she actually
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had breast reduction surgery at a very young age.
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But that's go through school that had to have that done too
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high school. You know, genetics sucks
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sometimes, right, And but that's how she met.
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That's how she ended up becoming friends with all saved by the
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cast bell, because they cast her on that show as as Mark Paul
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Gosser's character. Zach was like wowed by the
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boobs, but that was all her stuff.
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Was she just she went through this time frame and she even
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talked about on the on this documentary.
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It's like I went from being a child legitimately then all of a
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sudden overnight looking like developed overnight, which it
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didn't. But it you know, for all, for
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all intensive purposes, if you didn't see her every day, all of
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a sudden you see her six months later, but then she's the way
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they treat her dramatically changed.
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She was being treated like a child and then all of a sudden,
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because of, you know, the C's and the D's that she was, you
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know, developing into the adults started treating her
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differently. The men started treating her
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differently because because misogynistic assholes, you know,
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sexism, all that kind of jazz, you know, focus right on the
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boobs. Now, if you've never if you've
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never really Oh, it's I don't want to say participant if
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you've never been really been affected by that.
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Here's a quick story. So Nikki and I had one.
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I had one Fox Sports when the Diamondbacks were still
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Colangelo owned. They had this, this contest
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right for charities. And I want it, which I don't
19:46
know how I want it for $1000. But there's an entire behind the
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scenes tour of the Fox Studios at Bank 1 Ballpark, behind the
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scenes of all the media at Bank 1 Ballpark.
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I I know we've talked about it because I, I met Greg Schulte,
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who's a total prick. Yes, Greg Schulte doesn't.
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Listen to every episode. So yeah.
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No, I think you and I had had this conversation, but so I
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think we. Talked about it on here too, but
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it's. Cool story.
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OK, so we met. We met Greg Schulte Brick.
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I said it twice. You're welcome.
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Joe Garrigiolo, senior, super nice guy, like just amazing.
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And he actually signed a baseball for me.
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I have no idea where it is. Which that sucks because you
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know, he was just a superhuman, but we got to see all the.
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I'm jealous you met him. I always thought he was really
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cool when he did the color commentary for the time back, so
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it seemed like a really new and human being so.
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That's good. And that's and that's how it
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came across where when we walked into the booth, Schulte and him
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were in there. And Schulte, really, You thought
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that we were intruding on his life's work like he was going to
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he. Could tell he was put out by the
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fact he had to. Him.
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Totally, totally. Yeah, I hate that.
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And and didn't pretend like, just like I left there thinking
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you're a Dick, Joe, you're amazing.
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That's great to be here. Yeah, and if it would have been
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in my world today now, I would have told Schulte you're a Dick.
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Like really dude? I won a contest for Diamondback
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Charities to be here, you can give me 5 minutes of your
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precious time because all you do is sit on your fat ass and talk
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about a baseball game for four hours.
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So really dude, really? You're not that good, right?
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They live in most people's dream that love baseball.
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They would love to do that. Exactly.
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Yeah, be gracious, man, because I don't even know where he is
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anymore. So just be gracious and
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respectful just for the sheer fact that, you know, you're
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you're 5 minutes with me. Change my perception of you for
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the rest of my life, Greg. Rest of my life, you will always
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be a prick. Joe Garry, Joe Osina, who's no
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longer with us, will always be a genuine human being.
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That was super nice to us. And then you have Todd Walsh,
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OK, the guy that would comment before the show, before the game
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and after the game, remember. Him.
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OK? Yep, I do now, yeah.
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So while we were talking to Todd Walsh, what do you think his
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eyes were the entire time looking at Nikki's breasts?
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Nikki's cleavage, because she was wearing a jersey so you
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could see the cleavage. And kid you not, that's how
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disrespectful this dude was the entire time that we are talking
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to him and it's Nikki and I and him and he.
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Legit every time I catch his eye he's looking at her cleavage
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right in front of me. A quick addendum, public service
22:10
announcement gentleman out there, if you were standing in
22:12
front of a woman who especially if it's a tall woman and she
22:17
has, she's well endowed, do your best to look at her eyes while
22:21
she's talking to you. That's that's the respectful
22:24
thing to do. They're a human being.
22:27
They are a beautiful creature. There's no question.
22:29
But that is I agree with Chris, that is so super disrespectful.
22:34
All of us want to sit there and say, yes, you're beautiful and
22:37
you have you're you're well endowed.
22:39
It's. Gorgeous isn't wasn't well
22:41
endowed. What what what you talk about
22:43
with men, whereas women it's it's you're voluptuous.
22:46
Voluptuous. Yeah, yeah, I think the dwell
22:50
endowed refers to the danglings. Yeah, whatever you got.
22:52
Big tits. I mean, that's how I talk.
22:57
I'm just trying not to talk that way.
22:59
Right now, now we can go further with this example and go to the
23:02
Seinfeld episode where they're pitching the pilot.
23:04
Remember that. Yes.
23:06
And, and what's his face's daughter comes in the room and
23:10
he catches George Costanza, like, motorboating without
23:13
motorboating his daughter. And then so he likes Russell or
23:17
something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Russell,
23:18
Right. And then he flies off the
23:19
handle, which rightfully so. Yep, you're, you're, you're.
23:23
Ogling my my daughter, my innocent little daughter.
23:25
You're Googling, you know, ogling her, right?
23:29
So then what do the Seinfeld does?
23:30
He gets Elaine or Elaine convinces them that she can do
23:33
it right. And then so Elaine shows up at
23:35
this restaurant and she's trying so hard to find it.
23:37
She's just. Going to push up, Bra going
23:39
right. Yep, and and then he's like
23:42
Russell's staring right at Elaine, but Jerry's over here.
23:45
He's like line of sight, huh? Yep.
23:50
The next episode they have their pilot.
23:52
So you know, that's. We're all guilty.
23:55
Right. But it just, it was fascinating
23:57
to me to watching her documentary because it had, it
24:01
truly gave very raw and real footage of what it was like to
24:04
grow up in Hollywood at the time.
24:06
She had nothing negative to say about her childhood.
24:09
She said she had a great childhood.
24:10
She didn't miss out on anything. The people that were in the
24:15
commentary with her, Perry Ferrell was in it, you know,
24:22
Mark, Paul Gossler, the the some of the crew from Alf and
24:25
Emmanuel Lewis and Gary. I mean, just kind of anybody and
24:28
everybody in that era was. There.
24:29
This is on Apple. I don't think it's.
24:31
I think it's on. I don't know what was on this
24:33
Apple or or Netflix or something.
24:34
Hold on, I'll Google it. OK, 90s kid, Nineties, 90s kid.
24:42
So well. Kid 90 is what it's called kid
24:49
90. That's a coming of age story.
24:51
So here's the people in it. So I'm Moon Fry, Jonathan
24:54
Brandis, Justin Pierce, Leonardo DiCaprio, Harold Hunter, Johnny
24:58
Depp, Mark Wahlberg's in it Charlie Sheen.
25:01
She loved Charlie Sheen. She wanted to marry Charlie
25:03
Sheen, which is kind of funny, but that age, right, her dad
25:07
found out was an actual like rock star actor who was in the
25:11
Marlon Brando era, Paul Newman era.
25:13
Brian Austin Green from nine O 2 and on David Arquette's in
25:16
there. Corey Feldman, Sarah Gilbert
25:18
Meyer Lopez, Michael Rapaport, Steven Dorf, Alfonso Riviera,
25:24
Freddie Prinze Junior Joey Lawrence.
25:26
I mean, it's a it's a list. Mark Paul Gossler, Perry
25:29
Farrell, Mark McGrath Bartholos and our Getty Emmanuel Lewis,
25:34
Jonathan Silverman, Heather McComb, Dana Ashbrook, Charlie
25:38
Johnson, Virgil Fries, Her dad, some Danny Boy rapper that she
25:42
dated for a while. You can tell we lived through
25:45
the 90s. I recognize every name.
25:48
Yeah, it was, it was, it was amazing.
25:50
Just the amount of of people that.
25:51
But again, it goes along. Yeah, it's on YouTube and Hulu,
25:55
but it goes along with it goes along with because she just
25:59
carried this camera around and then I think 6 or 8 of them all
26:03
passed away in her lifetime. Like like some suicide, like one
26:11
of one of the girls, she wrecked her, her Corvette.
26:13
And then so a week later, she blew her head off Jonathan
26:16
Brandis hung himself in a hallway.
26:20
It just, you know, crazy that the, the trauma that they went
26:25
through, but it was all documented, which was cool.
26:27
The good, then the bad. And then, you know, and she
26:30
looks good for her age too, because she's around our age.
26:35
It was just, it's a fascinating thing.
26:36
If you, if you, if you grew up watching 90s sitcoms, watch
26:40
that. It's an hour and a half long.
26:41
It's, it's, you don't have to really watch it.
26:43
Watch it. It can be background noise.
26:44
You still pick it all up because all it is is interviews.
26:46
And she recorded phone calls, dude.
26:49
She recorded messages from from like throughout her career.
26:53
She said fuck some fucking some context in her.
26:57
She has she has a voice message from a manager lighting her up.
27:00
Like why are you doing that? People don't want to see Punky
27:02
Booster saying fuck it's. Funny you say that because I
27:04
just got done listening to a Henry Rollins interview from
27:07
like 2017 on Rogan and he documented every show he ever
27:12
played from the time he before he was in Black Flag.
27:15
So like the very first band he was ever in when he was like 17,
27:20
he documented the date, the time, the venue, where it's at,
27:24
all the way through. Like, you know, he became a
27:26
spoken word guy. What, in the 90s, late 90s
27:30
maybe. And he's been doing that pretty
27:32
much ever since. In addition to his music, he's
27:34
documented all those shows too. And he does like 150 to 170 of
27:39
those shows a year. I thought that was fascinating.
27:42
Most people don't have that. That's an OCD on a level even I
27:45
don't have. Yeah, that's that's it's well,
27:49
YouTube does it. YouTube records all their shows,
27:52
but they do that. I think more from the standpoint
27:54
of let's make sure we're doing putting the best product on
27:57
stage and and make sure that if we, we, because you catch things
28:02
live that unless you're recording it, you never can
28:04
recapture that, which is which is why bands it's a good idea.
28:09
Like we did you record your practices, whether it's audio or
28:11
video, because there's things that you do when you're jamming,
28:16
your chances are you're never going to you're never going to
28:18
grab that again because it's it's in the moment.
28:20
Well, yeah, I told you that was the best lesson that I ever got
28:24
from the guy that taught me to play guitar was he just made one
28:27
simple statement. Tape doesn't lie, you know.
28:30
So if you think you're playing good, record it.
28:33
And a lot of times you'll listen to it back and go, oh, yeah.
28:35
That's not it's only sounds good to me.
28:37
It doesn't sound good to anybody else.
28:40
Right. Or you confirm, yeah, it sounds
28:43
maybe even better than I thought it did.
28:45
There's those instances as well. But you're right man, if you
28:47
have to record it and listen back to it because sometimes
28:50
your ears are deceiving, you want to believe it sounds good.
28:53
Yeah, you do. And like you said, you're here
28:57
to receive. It's kind of like being nose
28:58
blind, right? You live in the house and you
29:00
have your smells and all of a sudden somebody comes to your
29:02
house like your house smells, man.
29:04
What is that? Well, do you know that
29:05
scientifically, your nose doesn't smell anything?
29:08
Your nose detects changes in smell, which is why people can
29:11
live next to like a sail barn, you know, where they sell hogs
29:14
and cattle and people say they get used to it.
29:18
That's true. Because your nose actually
29:21
detects changes in smell. You don't smell anything.
29:24
It's a defense mechanism that we have.
29:26
Interesting. So that you don't eat something
29:28
that would poison you. Before we knew what things were
29:31
right, you'd picked up that plant and it stunk and you're
29:33
like, Oh yeah, don't eat that. OK, I never knew that.
29:37
Yep, interesting. The things you learn man.
29:43
The things you learn. So do you have anything yet
29:48
ripped from the headlines you want to chat about?
29:54
I don't know man. I kind of, I haven't really
29:57
watched the news here lately. Yeah, I haven't either.
30:00
I mean a little bit, but mostly to see what the weather was.
30:03
I've been having fun driving my new ride man.
30:06
Oh, I bet, yeah. Going flying down the country.
30:08
Roads. Yeah, I actually get in the car
30:11
and go for a drive here lately. And I'll give a shout out to
30:16
this guy because he really inspired me to start picking up
30:20
my guitar. I'd play every day anyway, but
30:22
man, I'm playing a lot longer watching this guy's YouTube
30:25
channel. It's the Feedback Guitar
30:27
Academy. If you're a guitar player and
30:29
you're listening to this podcast, check this guy out.
30:31
He's very he explains things and layman's terms so idiots like me
30:37
can understand. And he's very passionate about
30:40
what he does. I like his energy.
30:42
You know, he just makes you want to play.
30:44
Right on. Instead of talking to his
30:46
audience like they're idiots, which a lot of guys do, even if
30:49
they don't realize it, he's very positive.
30:52
You know, like I made all these mistakes too, and here's how I
30:55
fixed them. I like people like that.
30:58
Yeah, yeah. So I have been watching a lot of
31:00
his channel here lately. Well, that's good.
31:08
Oh, and I ran that. I ran that scenario by, I told
31:13
you I work with a lady whose parents immigrated here from
31:17
Mexico. And I said I almost guarantee
31:20
you that she would say it, that your story gives her people a
31:23
bad name. 100 per. Story.
31:25
Whose story? Yours.
31:28
All about about the people that were blocking my line and.
31:30
When they pretended that they couldn't understand a word you
31:33
said. And one of the first things she
31:36
said was, you know, how did they get a landscaping job if they
31:38
couldn't understand that, You know, Yeah.
31:42
Yeah, I had somebody reach out. That just was like way pissed
31:45
off when they saw that I had somebody else reach out.
31:47
Somebody I sold the house to years ago.
31:48
Kevin Klein, who owns. Pissed off in what context?
31:51
Well, the SO the landscape when they were pissed off that I was
31:54
treated the way I was treated because I wasn't being a Dick.
31:58
I was wanting to make sure that people are mad in the right
32:00
direction. Right.
32:02
So they were pissed off how how they reacted to my request to to
32:05
politely just move their vehicle because again, I got there and
32:09
so. Well, of course, her first
32:10
question was the same question that we all had.
32:12
Why did they block the pump to begin with?
32:16
Right. They're going to go in and sit
32:17
down and eat breakfast. Why did they just leave their
32:19
vehicle there? Yeah, and that's the thing, too,
32:21
because when you go into a restaurant, you know, you order,
32:23
then you got 20 minutes usually for your food, of course.
32:26
So he was at least there for 1/2 an hour, I'd say, because by the
32:29
time I walked in there, he was already probably 1/4 of the way
32:33
through what he was eating. So there's at least 1/2 an hour
32:37
of him blocking that. So I want the first person that
32:39
he blocked. And then by the time I went in
32:43
and out of the restaurant, while they ignored me, then came back
32:45
and kind of looked at the situation.
32:46
How can I get my truck maneuvered so I can get this
32:48
fuel? Because again, my truck takes
32:51
ethanol as well as gas. There's only two stations in
32:53
Arizona that take ethanol. This was one of them.
32:55
So if you didn't hear the story, I pulled up this landscape
32:58
truck, a white dual dually Crew Cab with the world's longest
33:03
trailer was basically blocking 3 to 4 pumps on one side of this
33:07
gas station with only has 12 pumps.
33:12
The ethanol had two. The one on the north side of
33:15
this pump was out of order. So I the S 1 was the only one
33:18
available. So I had to figure out how to
33:19
maneuver around to get to it, which I eventually did and just
33:22
extended the hose all the way across, you know, the, the
33:27
little concrete pad, whatever. I couldn't go up too close
33:30
because some other bozo was sitting there with his truck, a
33:33
delivery van that was nowhere to be seen.
33:35
So it's like everybody decides let's just park under the gas
33:38
pumps so we can eat food instead of actually parking in the 12
33:42
spots in front of the restaurant, which is fine.
33:46
So, but I had, I have, I've had people reach out.
33:48
They were pissed off about the the fact that it's not that
33:51
difficult to just, you know, be a nice human.
33:55
Now, transversely, the other fun thing that happened with the
33:57
months park the the tire rubbing on the white car.
34:00
Somebody I sold the house two years ago, Kevin Klein.
34:02
Hey, Kevin, who owns a motorcycle shop in Colorado.
34:07
He looks at the picture of the car and he's like carb cleaner.
34:11
I was like, what? He's like, carb cleaner takes
34:13
that right off. That's the extent of the damage
34:15
of that car that that crazy lady is telling me, trying, trying
34:19
to, trying to say that, oh, you know, damages and whatever.
34:26
Yeah, and that's basically what I saw.
34:27
And I'm an idiot. I don't, I'm not a body guy, but
34:30
you know, I would be. My initial thought would be, oh,
34:33
fuck, you know, But then when I looked at it again, it's like,
34:38
OK, so it sucks that it happened right?
34:40
But I think I told you in a text message, that's the best of a
34:44
worst case scenario, right? At least it can be buffed out
34:47
and it's a body. Guy looked at that just like you
34:50
said and went no problem. And he looked at it off a
34:52
picture, so he's not even seeing it in person, right?
34:56
He's seen it from a. Picture.
34:57
But if you blew that up like I'm sure he did and I did, I blew it
35:00
up as far as I could get it. There was no dent.
35:03
There's no paint missing. It's just no your rubber scuffed
35:07
the what left side of her bumper.
35:10
The the passenger, the driver's side rear panel, right, right as
35:16
you, as you, as you pass the tire go up to where the trunk's
35:20
at. It rubbed right there.
35:21
That's it. And it can be cleaned with carb
35:24
cleaner. So you don't even need a body
35:27
guy. No, but you know, according to
35:30
her, she's probably walking around in crutches with a, with
35:32
a neck brace and you know, and how much damage did she say was
35:36
I don't know. They, they won't tell me.
35:38
They I called, no, I called AAA yesterday to get an update And,
35:42
and I, it's like I put the lady out who's handling the claim
35:45
because she was like really short.
35:46
I'm like, I'm just calling to get an update.
35:47
She's like, well, if I had an update, I would let you know.
35:49
I'm like, oh, OK, well, sorry for bothering you.
35:52
I just wanted to get an update. And you know that was that.
35:59
I can't believe that people go to that level.
36:01
I know something that's that minute, you know, does it suck?
36:06
Yeah. Anybody would.
36:07
Their initial reaction would be, ah, shit, you know, that really
36:11
sucks. But then you kind of calm down a
36:14
little bit and you look at the situation, you're like, you
36:17
know, my car is not dented, the Fender still there.
36:19
There's no paint missing. OK, we're good.
36:23
Yeah. That would have been me.
36:25
By the end of it, I'd have been like, this sucks, but you know,
36:29
I'll take care of it, it's no big deal.
36:30
Right and that's the thing and that's what I told her when I
36:33
looked at it. I'm like, OK, I'm sorry, I
36:35
didn't mean to do it. You're you're the way you were
36:37
parked aided in the fact that my tire clipped it because you're
36:40
not parked in properly, which I get because it was a crazy
36:44
parking lot, a convenience store parking lot.
36:46
I said, but it's it's something he'll be buffed out.
36:49
It's I didn't damage your vehicle, aside from tire tread
36:52
rubbing on your Fender, it's nothing.
36:54
That's, but she wasn't having it.
36:56
She wouldn't give me her name. I'm sorry.
36:58
I ordered the police report. I'm waiting to get that.
37:00
So when I get that, I'm hopefully it will, it will shed
37:02
some light on who she is and like license plate and name and
37:05
all that kind of jazz. So then I can, I have a friend
37:07
whose husband's a private investigator.
37:11
So I can be like, hey, go track this woman down and and get
37:14
pictures of her doing jumping jacks in her front yard 'cause
37:16
you know she is. Right, Yeah, 'cause those kind
37:19
of people aren't smart enough to play that role all the way
37:21
through. You know, that's the long con,
37:23
and that takes commitment. Well, and just to do it with, I
37:27
mean, and she had her two daughters there, which were it's
37:30
hard to tell how old girls are, But I'm, you know, from from a
37:33
visual standpoint, I'm thinking, you know, 17 to like 22 range,
37:38
right, because you just, it's hard to tell, like I couldn't
37:40
tell how old she was, but I'm assuming she's probably in her
37:42
40s but acting like a nine year old.
37:46
But that's like you're showing that's your example to your
37:48
daughters. You they know you're lying.
37:51
Right. Like they, they just the example
37:54
and you're specifically showing them how to try to con the
37:58
system for something that didn't happen and, and, and try to get
38:03
money out of it. And then in return F over the
38:08
person that you're going after. Because if if the claim gets
38:10
settled then all of a sudden my insurance goes up for something
38:12
that was really a 5 minute buff it out, you're done stupid.
38:21
People suck. Sometimes people do suck.
38:24
Or, as I told you and as Jim told us many years ago, people
38:27
are strange. People are strange when they're
38:29
strangers. Yeah, I have a This is a little
38:33
fun little story, so I. Actually thought I understood
38:36
that song, but it took me a long time to really understand it.
38:40
I get. It now the people are strange.
38:42
When you're a stranger, that's the important part of that song
38:45
is I don't think like the rest of you.
38:47
That's what he was telling us, right?
38:50
I can't. I can't comprehend the way you
38:52
guys are living. So people are strange when
38:54
you're a stranger. Faces look ugly when you're
38:57
alone. Women seem wicked when you're
38:59
unwanted. Streets aren't even when you're
39:02
down when you're strange. Faces come out of the rain when
39:05
you're strange. No one remembers your name when
39:07
you're strange, when you're strange, When you're strange.
39:11
See. That's it.
39:13
That's the entire context of the lyrics.
39:15
That's it. He wrote 1/2, 2 verses and a
39:21
course. I know, but it's.
39:23
That's dude, but. That's all it took.
39:25
It took me 20 years to figure out exactly what he was saying
39:29
because you have to live that many years of your life to
39:32
really get what he was saying. He had to live that many years
39:34
to write those lyrics. That's that's, that's insane
39:37
that it's that simple. I mean, I mean, you know me and
39:40
you and I are both like, you know, simple as you know, keep
39:42
it simple. But that's.
39:45
So now I would like to call it effective, right?
39:48
How effective is that simplicity?
39:53
Because he packed that message, just that one line to me.
39:55
People are strange when you're a stranger.
39:57
Just that one line that just blows by so many people.
40:03
They don't get it. I didn't mean to interrupt your.
40:04
Story. No, no, you're good dude.
40:08
But that's just I mean, I've I love Morrison and the door.
40:11
I know you do. I just that blows my mind that I
40:13
never realized that was just basic.
40:15
You were actually the person in my life that gave me the
40:18
appreciation for the Doors that I never have because you were so
40:21
rabid about Morrison at the time, and rightfully so.
40:24
Right? You're coming from a lyricist
40:25
standpoint. Yeah.
40:26
Wow. My dad is a fan of the.
40:31
Doors too. So I listened to him, but you
40:33
know, then I met you and I'm like, oh alright, I better give
40:36
him a listen again. Right, so this is a funny thing
40:39
since we're on the doors, so and I've I've known this for years.
40:41
So the radio version of break on through the other side is
40:44
actually actually has been edited.
40:46
It doesn't have all the true original lyrics in it because
40:50
you have the the 1st 2 verses that you know, you know night.
40:54
Day destroys the night, Night defies the day.
40:55
Try to run. Try to hide, break on through to
40:57
the other side. Great song.
40:58
Right. And we chased our pleasures
40:59
here, dug all treasures there. But can you kill, Recall the
41:02
time we cried, break on through to the other side.
41:05
So hey, Yeah, Come on. Yeah.
41:07
Right. And then everybody loves my
41:09
baby. Remember this part?
41:10
Everybody loves my baby. Everybody loves my baby.
41:13
Right. They took all that out.
41:17
That's that's the high parts out like that.
41:19
She no longer no, if you listen to the radio, you will never
41:23
hear the she gets high part. I guess I never realized that
41:26
because I always listen to my version on, you know, my
41:30
playlist. Right, No, even on, even on even
41:33
on like the the stuff you buy online because I've I've bought
41:38
the all the greatest hits and stuff that's cut out.
41:40
It's kind of like with Creed with what's this life for where
41:45
stop stop no longer sings. He never hit.
41:50
He no longer sings God damn in the song and on the the version
41:53
you buy online, they they took it out, which, you know, we've
41:57
talked about that before because his he got religiified again,
41:59
which is cool, but so that's something he doesn't want to
42:03
have with his legacy anymore. So that that lyrics gone.
42:06
It's just you don't ever hear him sing, you know?
42:11
No, Whatever the fuck it is, I can't.
42:13
Probably goddamn school or whatever.
42:17
Don't have to settle. No goddamn school there, you.
42:19
Go. That's the line.
42:22
And but that, to me, changes the vibe of that song because it
42:26
captures the moment of his anger and angst towards the organized
42:29
religion, you know, which he struggled with for a long
42:32
portion of his life when Creed became Creed and broke out, you
42:35
know? And I guess that's why so I have
42:39
my opinions on this too, but they've, they've changed over
42:42
the years. Just like I like to say, I'm not
42:44
married to any of my ideas, right?
42:45
I, it's good to be open and like a sponge for your entire life.
42:51
But I guess what I would like to say about that is it was written
42:56
just like you said, in the right artistic context for the message
43:02
of the song. It's not like he was given a
43:04
middle finger to God himself or the idea of a supreme being.
43:10
He was given the middle finger to the oppressive.
43:14
Right. I have my thumb on you from his
43:18
father and his mother or whoever in his family, you know, forced
43:21
him to be what he didn't feel was him at the time, right?
43:26
Which everybody goes through. That's the teenage angst.
43:29
That's why bands like Pearl Jam were so successful at their
43:31
breaking point. Because the entire 10 album and
43:34
never mind Nirvana, all that was was never Mind Itself or Smells
43:38
Like Teen Spirit, the epitome of teenage angst.
43:42
But, and that's but and and teenagers identified that shit
43:44
kind of like back in the day, they identified to The Beatles,
43:47
right? They identified to the Doors
43:48
because here's something completely out of the norm that
43:51
the parents didn't like at all, because it wasn't Dean Martin.
43:57
Well, and one thing that you and I have commented that I'd like
44:00
to reiterate because not everybody listens to every show,
44:02
but right, you can't touch Pearl Jams 10 album.
44:07
It's one of the greatest debut albums in the history of music
44:10
of any kind. They never recreated that after
44:14
maybe verses, right? Phytology had some great songs
44:17
on. So we'll give them up to
44:19
Vitology, but they lost that fire and I'm not sure it's their
44:23
fault. You know, can you ever have that
44:26
again? Is what I always wrestle with in
44:28
my head, right? And I don't think you can.
44:31
I don't think the initial, the initial releases from any band
44:34
can ever be as strong as the initial initial release.
44:37
And the reason behind that I think which you can relate to
44:40
this is you spend how much time. Your entire life up to that
44:44
point. Right.
44:46
And then and then like the songs you have that you start playing
44:49
out 12 to 20 songs, those things are so tight and flawless.
44:54
By the time you get to the level of I'm going to go record these
44:56
in the studio and I'm going to release an album, you've played
45:00
them live thousands of times. So you know, the different
45:02
nuances of improv and, and what works and what doesn't work, the
45:05
fills and shit like that and the breakdowns and the, you know
45:08
everything, right? And then you go and you and you
45:12
turn into, you know, you, you record 10 and then all of a
45:15
sudden you're touring these small clubs like Mason Jar.
45:18
And then somebody plays Jeremy and it fucking explodes.
45:22
And then all of a sudden you're going from Mason Jar to the
45:24
ballroom, from the ballroom to the celebrity theatre, from
45:26
celebrity theatre to Talking Stick Arena, from Talking Stick
45:29
to cricket in the course of a year or maybe 18 months.
45:33
So your entire life gets uprooted, right?
45:36
No, you're right. In that case it was within 12
45:38
months. Right, because you never, you
45:40
don't live on the road and all of a sudden you're living on the
45:42
road and then you're forced with the label saying, because back
45:45
then label got behind you. Oh, you need to write more
45:47
product. You need to write more material.
45:49
Well, then your, your, your point of view changes because
45:52
now all of a sudden, this entire world, which used to be so far
45:55
away because before the Internet, now you're in places
46:00
you never dreamed of and you're exposed to things you never
46:03
thought you'd be exposed to. And then you there's a time when
46:05
Vedder would wear masks like, you know, I had for COVID
46:08
because he couldn't go anywhere without being recognized and
46:12
mobbed, kind of like with Elvis, kind of like with The Beatles.
46:15
So you just hit the nail on the head right there.
46:17
That's the epitome of the message, is you went from
46:20
suffering and not knowing where. And you and I lived through it,
46:23
too. We didn't know where our next
46:24
meal was coming from. That's why we always hail
46:27
Filibertos, you know, because we could get a gigantic burrito
46:30
that would keep us full for an entire day for 2 bucks back in
46:32
the day. That was important.
46:34
Yeah, and now all of a sudden you're eating caviar and trying
46:37
to hide your face, right? How can you write a song like
46:43
I'm still Alive, right? Because that's one of my
46:46
favorites. Once is another great one.
46:49
Once in a life. Those are great examples of
46:53
feeling where emotion or music becomes emotion out loud, right?
47:00
You can feel what he's trying to say.
47:03
Right, and looking at and looking at their list once, once
47:07
starts that album off, which is just really cool 'cause it.
47:10
Has your ass right off the. Bat it has that dark little
47:12
interlude, right? Instrumental thing.
47:15
That drum beat is outstanding. Yeah, yeah.
47:17
Then you go to Evenflo, which I think was their first release,
47:20
which opened with a montage of surfing.
47:23
Then a live came next. But then Jeremy, when Jeremy
47:26
released, that's what took them to the stratosphere.
47:28
Even though even though I think alive and and even for better
47:31
songs, I didn't No you're. Right.
47:33
Jeremy introduced him to the world, no.
47:34
Question. Yeah.
47:36
That was the top ten. Single might have been #1.
47:38
Yeah, porch love porch. Me too.
47:41
Coming to you. Then leave a message.
47:43
At least I could have divorced on last time.
47:45
That melody's outstanding, right?
47:48
Yeah, so let's see what? And if you want to know what
47:51
Melody does for people, ladies and gentlemen, the fact that
47:54
Chris just ripped that right out of his subconscious, that's what
47:56
Melody does for you. It forces you to remember it.
48:00
So how many number one hits does Pearl Jam have?
48:03
The song follows a four week reign of the group's dark
48:07
matter. That's not what I asked.
48:10
Man, I hate this fucking Google machine.
48:13
I asked. Basically, Pearl Jam songs
48:16
charted. Pearl Jam songs are charted.
48:22
Let's see. Oh OK, there it is.
48:29
Maybe Daughter 1993 was was was charted Better Man in 2005,
48:38
given to Flying 98. And then there's two number one
48:44
to 2024. Their most played song is Even
48:50
Flow. 739 million plays. I think I just said that is
48:56
emotions in music form. Yep, I've been.
49:00
So it's even Flow Alive, Black and Jeremy, which is
49:03
interesting, right? Because they're right.
49:04
Because they're all from 10. All from 10.
49:07
That's because you can listen to that album.
49:09
You just said. From beginning to end.
49:11
And there's no weak songs on that album.
49:14
There just isn't. Those guys wanted it like there
49:17
was no tomorrow. Because if you know, most people
49:19
don't know you and I are freak historic music historians.
49:23
But Pearl Jam came out of Mother Love Bone when their singer died
49:28
tragically of a heroin overdose. The rest of the band still
49:33
wanted it on a level like there was no tomorrow, and they got
49:36
lucky and found Eddie Vedder, who was equally as talented at
49:40
conveying lyrics and emotion to his audience.
49:43
Yeah, there's a there's a documentary about Temple the
49:47
dog. You ever see that?
49:49
Yeah, I have so so the. The coolest thing about that was
49:53
was when they released Oh my God, Jake would kill me right
49:59
now. Hunger strike.
50:03
Sorry, son. When they, when they dropped
50:06
hunger strike, I remember the members of Pearl Jam when we
50:08
talked to them about hunger strike is like they're like,
50:10
yeah, we got a singer too. Like, 'cause you, you're with
50:12
Chris Cornell, OK, You can't touch Chris Cornell.
50:16
He's up there. With Robert Plant, I don't care
50:18
what anybody says. Yeah, Robert Plant, Freddie
50:20
Murkley, the dude, just the voice was unheard of, right?
50:24
But it was kind of neat watching that documentary.
50:26
Where's where's the members from Pearl Jam?
50:28
It's like when that song drop Hunger Strike, they realized
50:31
that Vetter was just as powerful as Cornell, but just on a
50:34
different level. That's when I realized it for
50:36
sure. That whole album, if you know,
50:40
if you guys are into that kind of music and you never heard the
50:43
Temple of the Dog album, that's another one from beginning to
50:45
end that you can just listen to it over and over and over again.
50:49
And fun fact, that album was recorded in two weeks.
50:53
Oh, 10 or no Temple the dog. Yeah, yeah, 14 days.
50:57
The other the. Other cool thing in there,
50:59
ripped it out. The other cool thing about that
51:01
documentary, and I maybe can I may be blending some of the
51:05
Mother Love Bone documentary into this, but they would have
51:07
Cornell and Andrew Wood and some of the other Kurt Cobain.
51:13
Who else was in the scene? Screaming, trees, whatever.
51:17
There's another great band. Right, so there was.
51:19
They all hung out. I nearly lost you.
51:23
Right. Right, that was their big that.
51:25
Was a great song, right? But they all hung out and they
51:28
all challenged each other to be better writers and to be better
51:31
musicians. So there was there was
51:33
conversations in this, in this documentary where Andy would go
51:36
back to his apartment, which I think he was living with Cornell
51:39
at the time in his own room. And they, he would work all
51:41
night on his little, you know, 4 track mixer and shit to try to
51:45
one up Cornell. And then he would record
51:47
whatever he did, give it to Cornell and Cornell be like,
51:49
holy shit, you did that. And then Cornell would do the
51:52
same thing and then turn and give it back to Andrew Woods.
51:55
So it's just dynamic going back and forth like I'm going to make
51:57
you better because I'm going to challenge you to write better
52:00
music. So that example right there for
52:03
the people that are religious listeners to the show is what I
52:07
mean by when we used to get done playing at a show and we would
52:10
talk backstage or behind the venue or whatever with other
52:13
bands or guys that work for their band.
52:16
Those are the conversations where we learn stuff.
52:18
You know, it's like, wow, how'd you do that?
52:20
What piece of equipment are you using there?
52:22
You know, those are the, I, I call them productive
52:24
conversations. I don't know a better way to put
52:26
it. But, you know, instead of
52:28
talking about things or people or whatever, we're sure we're
52:33
conveying different ideas that make all of us better.
52:36
You know, it's a it's a friendly competition, right?
52:39
That's what you just described was a friendly competition.
52:42
They weren't trying to say I'm going to make more money or sell
52:44
more records than you. They were like, wow, that's a
52:47
really cool idea. Now, how can I make that idea
52:50
better for me, right? Right, right.
52:52
And yeah, I love that. Change was in that mix, right
52:55
Alice? And Change was in that mix, too.
52:56
So imagine, Imagine Lane Staley, Eddie Vedder, Chris Cornell,
53:01
Andrew Wood. Well Vedder wasn't in there yet,
53:03
he was still in California. But just imagine walking into a
53:06
bar and seeing those 3 sitting at the bar talking about music
53:10
and shit when they weren't even relevant in the world yet.
53:14
Right, nobody knew who they were.
53:15
Like that would just be the coolest thing ever.
53:17
And you know, you know, there's people that that lived in that
53:21
era. If they're still alive, they
53:22
have those amazing stories of of these three guys and these all
53:26
these bands and how tight they were.
53:28
And it wasn't, it wasn't like the the I've always heard, like
53:31
the whiskey row, the, you know, Rainbow Room, all that kind of
53:33
shit. The LA scene sure was always,
53:36
you know, like fuck you. You know, the fights come on,
53:38
the crew is going to beat up freaking, you know, whatever was
53:42
like, you remember all the the stupid little drama bullshit
53:45
that would go on that would come out of out of California and all
53:47
that kind of jazz because pissing on our territory type
53:51
shit. Yeah, that's why Metallica left
53:53
and moved to San Francisco when they got Cliff Burton in the
53:55
band, because they hated that shit.
53:57
Right, because you all have the same goal, right?
54:00
Like. We're musicians.
54:02
It's not a sports competition, right?
54:04
Nobody's winning and losing. And you would think you'd want
54:07
to embrace Metallica. Holy shit this is a brand new
54:11
sound. I'm going to be their friend.
54:12
Because if they break, they need an opening act and they're going
54:17
to remember friends more. They can remember assholes.
54:19
They they succeeded in spite of everyone else, because they
54:25
would be the first to tell you that everyone told them they
54:27
were going to fall flat on their face.
54:29
You're never going to make any money playing that kind of
54:31
music. That's what they were told all
54:32
the time. Yeah.
54:34
I don't think they were. I don't think they cared.
54:36
That wasn't their motivation. That's why they were successful.
54:38
And we've discussed them too. It's it was their sheer
54:41
determination to do things on their own terms, which is my
54:45
motivation in life too, which is why they're one of my favorite
54:48
bands. And that's why you're one of my
54:49
best friends. It's like, it's not hard to
54:51
figure me out. If you're driven and you're
54:55
trying to move forward and you're not, you know, negative
54:59
towards ideas or other people all the time, I'm probably going
55:02
to be friends with you. Yeah.
55:04
But that sheer will to succeed is 100% why they are one of the
55:10
most successful bands on earth. It wasn't about selling records
55:14
or making money. It was about having a family of
55:17
friends who had the same vision that they did for the same kind
55:20
of music, right? Yep.
55:23
Same reason you and I put a band together.
55:24
We didn't hear the music that we wanted to hear on the radio, so
55:27
we're going to make it ourselves.
55:29
That was our motivation as well. I want to write songs that I
55:33
enjoy playing. I think Freeman is as relevant
55:36
as alive as far as being emotional.
55:39
When you always say, you know, jokingly or I know you're, I'm
55:43
mostly serious. But when you say you're going to
55:45
let that song play, it's like you're never going to hurt my
55:47
feelings because that song gives me the same emotion every time I
55:51
hear. It's why I know it's a great
55:52
song. Yeah.
55:53
I've heard it 100,000 times in my life now and it's it hits me
55:57
the same way every time. Yeah, agreed.
56:02
I like the. I like how people react to it
56:03
too. Me too, because it's fun for us
56:07
to be able to see them react to it for the first time, right?
56:11
And then we say, oh, that's us. Meant a lot of times we're like
56:15
what? Really.
56:16
Really. Like Joseph was cool.
56:18
It's like, wow, really? So that's the most fun is to see
56:21
Lemoyne react to it because he's a musician.
56:24
To see Joseph react to it, he's a musician.
56:26
Josey, you know, these guys, they appreciate, they either
56:29
appreciate music on the same level we do, or they're
56:31
musicians themselves. So I agree, man, that's really
56:33
cool. It is.
56:35
It is. It's fun too.
56:36
That's one we're going to redo and Polish up and present to the
56:40
world in the right format. Yes, yes, because now we know
56:43
how to get on Apple because of the Carla, Kyle, Kyle Carl, the
56:50
the pilot agent Carl Ferrera, who got us in the I told him he
56:53
got us in the Malaysia. He was like, no way.
56:56
True story, Carl. Thank you very much.
56:57
We appreciate it. 21 countries now, ladies and gentlemen.
57:00
He was like, woo Hoo, It was fun.
57:03
It was fun and why why we're on the subject.
57:05
So when you come on a podcast, just be aware of boys and girls.
57:08
It's we're broadcasting you 21 countries and you're on YouTube
57:11
as we record this. So that means anybody in the
57:14
world can jump in and see your episode.
57:17
We we've had and they do, just so you know, we're not just
57:20
saying that like one person listen to us in these countries,
57:23
Sweden or not Sweden, Austria is almost 5% of our listenership.
57:27
So they actually listen to the show.
57:29
It's awesome. Absolutely.
57:30
It's awesome, yeah. Austria.
57:32
Who would have thought? Yeah, That is a port.
57:36
That is an important public service announcement.
57:38
We are live on YouTube. When you come on here, we are in
57:41
21 countries. We're in about 2/3 of the states
57:44
now, 60 some percent. And inside those states we're
57:48
in, you know, either 10s or hundreds of cities.
57:53
Right. We won't say why we say that,
57:57
but you got to know that when you come on here.
58:00
I'm going to pause for station authentication.
58:01
I'll be right back. Keep the listeners.
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Engaged. We are pausing for a station
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We are live on YouTube right now, so we welcome all of you
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Other than that, like Chris said, just know that you're
59:16
going to be live on YouTube for pretty much the entire episode.
59:21
And those get uploaded to YouTube immediate.
59:23
Well, they get uploaded as we're doing it.
59:29
We had an instance where I don't think somebody knew that.
59:32
So that's important to get that out there.
59:37
It gained us a lot of it gained us a lot of subscribers as we
59:42
started going live. So it seems like people like
59:47
being there before the episode comes out.
59:49
So with that said, your live episode ends up on YouTube and
59:53
then two weeks later the actual podcast will drop.
59:58
So I will go in and actually fix the audio.
1:00:00
If, you know, say you had some background noise or you had
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maybe a reverberation in the background, I can actually bring
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your voice forward so that your level with us and I'll put the
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music in, you know, layer it underneath and it'll actually be
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a polished episode in 1080P. The YouTube episode is the live
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episode is compressed, obviously, because it's
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uploading at the same time we're doing it.
1:00:27
So that's about all on that front.
1:00:32
Other than that, we really appreciate it.
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Everybody that's found us on YouTube here lately, within the
1:00:37
last six weeks, we went from I think 68 subscribers to 2000.
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So that's awesome. And Spotify, the numbers have
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been increasing. So we welcome all the people who
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are listening on Spotify and YouTube.
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And I know there's a lot of people that listen on Podcast
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Addict and Overcast. And so wherever Apple podcast,
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wherever you guys listen, we appreciate it.
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The video portion is on YouTube and the video portion is on
1:01:05
Spotify. I don't think there's video on
1:01:09
Apple. I'm I've never listened to us on
1:01:11
Apple, if I'm being honest with everybody, but I know for sure
1:01:15
there's a video on YouTube and Spotify because I've checked it
1:01:19
out myself. The last time I checked Apple,
1:01:21
it wasn't there. And I don't think there's video
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on like overcast or podcast addict.
1:01:27
That's another big one that people listen on.
1:01:29
So if you want to watch the video, definitely hit up Spotify
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or YouTube. Hey, look at that.
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Welcome back to Co host. Yes, this would be tough to do
1:01:38
by yourself. I can't wait.
1:01:40
Everybody going but yeah, you, you really got to talk like a
1:01:44
babbling fucking idiot. Well, that's why when I'm, when
1:01:47
I'm doing my my real estate guy moment with the Real Estate Guy
1:01:50
podcast, when I do it by myself, it's basically I'm just talking
1:01:53
about certain snippets of things like.
1:01:55
Well, that would be easier because you're not sitting down
1:01:58
for like Rogan, you know, he's sitting down for three hours.
1:02:01
I noticed the couple that he tried by himself, he didn't make
1:02:04
it even 2 hours. And he admitted to everyone
1:02:07
later on, he's like, I think somebody asked him about that.
1:02:10
Do you ever do these by yourself?
1:02:11
And he said, you know what, I tried two of them and they're
1:02:14
still there and you can go listen to them.
1:02:15
But he said people like Bill Burr that do this by themselves,
1:02:20
that's an art. Yeah.
1:02:22
Basically, I just did a public service.
1:02:24
I finished the public service announcement you had and we went
1:02:27
on to talk about, you know, like a lot of people listen on
1:02:30
Overcast Podcast Addict, I Heart Apple.
1:02:35
I wanted people to be aware that there's no video there, right?
1:02:39
So if you want to listen to the video, you have to go to
1:02:41
Spotify, you have to go to YouTube.
1:02:43
People may not know that because a lot of podcasts I found on
1:02:47
different platforms and I didn't know that there was video on
1:02:50
Spotify. And obviously, you know, there's
1:02:52
video on YouTube if you've been, unless you've been living under
1:02:55
a rock for the last 15 years, right?
1:02:59
Exactly. So get up from anything with
1:03:01
rock people, get underneath from rock, rock, rock, rock.
1:03:04
I don't think Apple supports video podcast because Brogan's
1:03:08
his video is not there either. Oh that's interesting.
1:03:11
I've checked his out too. OK, yeah, so you know, we're
1:03:16
talking about music. Alter Bridge is dropping a new
1:03:17
album January 2026. That's exciting, man.
1:03:22
Simply called Alter Bridge sweet.
1:03:24
The tour is called what lies beneath.
1:03:26
Then they're going on the road with Daughtry and Sevendust and
1:03:29
of course there's, it's the weirdest thing about Alter
1:03:31
Bridge. They're huge overseas, man.
1:03:34
They're, I mean, they're huge like they sold Wimbledon out
1:03:36
three nights. Like they're amazingly.
1:03:39
Europeans appreciate music more than we do.
1:03:42
Yeah, because here they just, they, they just, I mean, again,
1:03:45
I've seen Alter Bridge twice at the Marquee Theatre and I mean,
1:03:49
it's packed. I mean it's standing room only.
1:03:52
But that's what, 3000 people? Yeah, and it's, but it's it's
1:03:55
it's, it's phenomenal. I mean, it's just, it's the
1:03:57
entire Live at Wembley record they dropped.
1:04:02
That was the first time I saw them.
1:04:04
That was the tour they did in Arizona.
1:04:07
And we didn't we like I I was blown away because it was a 215
1:04:11
minute show. Like this is just insane.
1:04:13
And then Fast forward 18 months, they drop live at Wembley.
1:04:16
The entire setlist they played at Marquee was that show, and
1:04:21
there's songs they haven't played since because they're
1:04:24
just so such rarities. But they knew they were prepping
1:04:26
for that, that show. I would love seeing shows like
1:04:29
that. Right.
1:04:30
But nobody knew it until they dropped it because they played
1:04:32
with the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
1:04:34
So they kind of, I think Metallica opened that door
1:04:37
personally because S because S&M is by far my favorite collection
1:04:42
of Metallica music. Because the first one.
1:04:45
Right, because it shows you. It shows you how.
1:04:50
How powerful. How powerful it is and and the
1:04:52
and and whether they knew it or not when they were writing it,
1:04:55
how it could be translated into that.
1:04:58
Well, I told you that funny story.
1:04:59
I'll tell it again real quick. There's a, a YouTube clip out
1:05:03
there and I got to find these things and I'll share them on
1:05:06
our page. But James Hetfield is talking to
1:05:09
the interviewer about Michael Kamen, who rest in peace.
1:05:12
He's dead now, but he was the conductor for the whole S&M
1:05:17
experiment and he came into their dressing room while they
1:05:22
were on break one day and he said this master of Puppets
1:05:25
thing, this section right here, he said.
1:05:26
It's just fascinating, He said. You guys go from 4/4 time to
1:05:31
11:30 second time to 6-8 time to 4/4 time back to this 11:30
1:05:37
second. He said, did you guys discuss
1:05:39
this 11:30 second measure right here?
1:05:42
And James is like, we didn't discuss anything about anything
1:05:45
that you just talked about. He said we just thought it
1:05:47
sounded cool, man. And he said I felt like the
1:05:48
biggest idiot when I had to say that, you know, because here's a
1:05:51
guy who is just like Joseph was, you know, here's a guy who's
1:05:54
educated in music, can play classical music, can write
1:05:57
music, can notate it, can read it, you know, has however many
1:06:01
hundred students a month. And this is a guy who's into a
1:06:03
pouring music back out in the universe like I'll never be able
1:06:07
to do. And that was James sitting
1:06:09
there. He's like, I'm expected to tell
1:06:11
this guy how my song is played and he's an actual conductor.
1:06:15
And, you know, he said. I just felt like the biggest
1:06:17
moron to have to say, oh man, we just thought it sounded cool
1:06:20
dude. Right, right.
1:06:23
It's yeah, but that's a so so that because I'm, I'm like most
1:06:28
people like I liked black, but I didn't like black.
1:06:30
I like the older stuff. I do like some of the newer
1:06:33
stuff. I love it all, but but not in a
1:06:35
hole, right, Because I'm just that's how I am.
1:06:41
But I think that opened the door to that because it's kind of
1:06:44
like unplugged. KISS did it after them.
1:06:46
Right kiss fucking most overrated.
1:06:49
Ban them in them in the world. They got some great songs man.
1:06:52
They're a marketing machine. That's it.
1:06:53
That's that's all I ever think about.
1:06:55
KISS marketing. OK, you're a marketing machine.
1:06:57
Good job. And they did.
1:06:58
They're brilliant, brilliant at marketing because they sold
1:07:00
their image before they sold their music in my eyes anyway.
1:07:04
And I, I know people are like the rolling falling off their
1:07:06
chairs right now if they're watching this.
1:07:07
And then when they no. They didn't break and they'll
1:07:10
never, they'll never even say this.
1:07:13
They didn't break any new ground musically.
1:07:15
But those riffs are that they're etched in stone.
1:07:19
I mean, there's a reason that people keep going back to see
1:07:21
him. And it's not just because I
1:07:23
agree with you. The image had more to do with
1:07:26
them than anything, and they'll admit that too.
1:07:31
Yeah, they will, you know. But they had no business plan
1:07:33
with the Symphony. I tried to listen to that album
1:07:35
and it just did not. It did not convey the same way
1:07:40
that Metallic is dead. What what the S&M album did for
1:07:44
me was just solidify how great of songwriters they were.
1:07:49
Yeah. Because another thing they
1:07:51
talked about in that documentary was how hard it was to fit the
1:07:54
orchestra into some of those pieces because there was already
1:07:57
so much going on with just three guys playing or, you know, four
1:08:01
guys playing instruments. Almost left James out of the
1:08:05
mix. And he's the best rhythm guitar
1:08:06
player on the planet. Yeah, which is he doesn't get
1:08:10
enough credit for that. No, he is for sure one of the
1:08:14
best rhythm guitar players ever walked the earth.
1:08:16
And so is Dave Mistain. Yeah, Dave Mustaine invented a
1:08:21
whole new way of playing chords that allows him to play the way
1:08:24
he plays. So when you're an innovator that
1:08:27
people follow from that point forward, which everybody did
1:08:32
right, you can't. You just can't ever take that
1:08:34
away from somebody. No, no.
1:08:36
And imagine the different how different metallic would be if
1:08:39
Dave Mustaine stayed in the band.
1:08:41
I don't think it would have been his big I really have.
1:08:45
Something happened because he's too much of a perfectionist and
1:08:50
I don't think he would have been able to survive with Lars in the
1:08:52
band. That's true.
1:08:56
Lars is what do they call that? Lars is a double edged sword is
1:09:00
the best analogy I can come up with.
1:09:02
He is not the greatest drummer on the planet.
1:09:04
He plays by feel right. Yeah, yeah.
1:09:07
But the fact that he plays by feel is what made Metallica one
1:09:12
of the biggest bands on the planet, whether people know it
1:09:14
or not, right? It's that little bit of
1:09:17
difference. Just like, you know, everybody
1:09:19
says that ACDC has written the same album, you know, 13 times
1:09:24
or whatever. 10 times and Angus said 11.
1:09:27
Yeah, Angus got Yeah, You've made the same album 10 times.
1:09:32
No, actually, that's a lie, because we've made the same bomb
1:09:34
11 times. Exactly.
1:09:36
But it's that feel, you know, that swing beat.
1:09:39
Lars has that swing to his beat that just sucks people in.
1:09:44
It's an innate ability that you just can't teach somebody.
1:09:48
You can tell them how it's done, but some drummers will never
1:09:52
have the ability to get off that metronome.
1:09:55
You know where it's just I called typewriter rock.
1:09:59
Charlie Watts. Rolling Stones.
1:10:02
Charlie drugged the beat too, though he had Swank.
1:10:05
Right, but he's still. But he was the one that kept
1:10:07
them all in time. Sure, that's why they called him
1:10:09
metronome, because he didn't waver from that shit.
1:10:12
No, but he still played a swing beat, which is why The Rolling
1:10:15
Stones had that, you know, suck you in feel kind of to their
1:10:19
songs. I know what you're saying
1:10:21
though. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:22
He just wouldn't allow the world to to, you know?
1:10:27
My personal opinion is Metallica would not have been a as big of
1:10:31
a band if Dave Mustaine would have stayed the lead guitar
1:10:33
player. I just don't think they would
1:10:36
have. Gotcha.
1:10:39
And we wouldn't had Megadeth. And I'm as equally a big a fan
1:10:43
of Megadeth for different reasons than I am Metallica, you
1:10:47
know? So I never really gotten a
1:10:48
Megadeth. I got a couple songs, but I
1:10:50
just, you know, to me, Mustaine is not a strong enough lyricist
1:10:55
slash presence that I just, you know, I just I just couldn't get
1:11:02
into that. Like Peace Sells was a cool.
1:11:04
Song. See, now there's a great
1:11:07
statement. Yeah, but but for the most part,
1:11:10
I just, I couldn't get into Megadeth at all.
1:11:13
I thought they were. I thought it was too much of A
1:11:14
Metallica RIP off. Well, now you know why Metallica
1:11:18
is one of the biggest selling bands in the world and Megadeth
1:11:20
is maybe sold a third of those records because there's a lot of
1:11:24
people that have that attitude and it's not wrong, you know,
1:11:28
people's opinion of music is their own.
1:11:31
It's not for me to say whether you're right or wrong because
1:11:33
it's how you interpret it, right?
1:11:37
You and I have always are going to approach music from a
1:11:40
different angle, right? I'm coming in at 180° from you
1:11:44
all the time. I'm listening to the music first
1:11:47
and the lyrics second. Which is why, you know, back in
1:11:50
the day when I'd be listening to certain music, either your
1:11:53
parents or you know, some kind of authority figure in your life
1:11:58
would hear you listening to the things and say, wow, that
1:12:00
person's going to be affected by that.
1:12:02
And in most cases I wouldn't because I even know what the
1:12:04
fuck they were saying. I just like the music.
1:12:07
Exactly right? I might know 3 lyrics in the
1:12:09
whole song, the ones that everybody knows.
1:12:12
The rest of it I'm jamming along to the guitar and the drum beat
1:12:15
and hey, that's a cool rhythm, you know, let me see what I can
1:12:17
do with that. I really didn't appreciate
1:12:21
lyrics until I met you. Oh, thank you.
1:12:25
That's true story for sure. I.
1:12:27
Believe you, once you and I started writing our own songs
1:12:31
and I saw the passion that you had for what was on that page in
1:12:34
front of you before. It's just a notebook front
1:12:36
sitting in front of somebody, right?
1:12:38
Right, right. And if you're not you, you don't
1:12:41
understand that that notebook is your soul on a piece of paper,
1:12:45
right? That's what you taught me was
1:12:47
sitting there on the couch and what, in the apartment or
1:12:49
whatever, just, you know, songwriting and hashing things
1:12:52
out on an acoustic or whatever. Those moments to me showed me
1:12:58
what that piece of paper meant to you as a person.
1:13:01
You know, it's like this is my soul on a on a page.
1:13:05
Yeah, no different than that piece of music is that for me.
1:13:08
Right. Which is why we gelled, which is
1:13:10
why we matched. Because my soul, your soul.
1:13:12
But you know, together you get free man.
1:13:15
Oh, it worked. Yeah, on an unprecedented level,
1:13:18
it worked. Yeah, that's why we got to get
1:13:20
that shit back out of the world. Now the world needs Nemesis 2
1:13:23
point O. That one for sure.
1:13:26
Yeah, Vision Jink, show me a pop.
1:13:30
I would love to pull off Intervention Divine, but I
1:13:32
don't. I don't know if that's possible
1:13:33
without Scott. Anything possible?
1:13:38
I What's to stop the world? I love that song Window.
1:13:41
Hell, that's a good song. That guy that I told you I
1:13:44
wanted to have on Gary Romero, Yeah.
1:13:46
He's one of the best drummers I've ever met.
1:13:48
So we could probably coax him into you.
1:13:51
He has a home studio, so he could record things and send
1:13:54
them to us digitally. I'm sure he'd be down for that
1:13:57
if he can squeeze in some time. So we do have a drummer.
1:14:00
I forgot about him. Right on.
1:14:02
I have I've poked out, I've poked at some.
1:14:04
We have some positions coming up in, in September, October or
1:14:08
August, September, but there's, there's there's some gaps still
1:14:13
that I got to fill. It's weird how we went crazy,
1:14:16
right? Like YouTube went nuts and then
1:14:18
now it just kind of got quiet. So we did.
1:14:21
We something happened. I think you fall into
1:14:24
algorithms. Probably.
1:14:26
Because when YouTube kind of trailed off, Spotify picked up a
1:14:31
little bit. We, we don't have nearly as many
1:14:33
subscribers on Spotify, but, but sometimes we'll go long periods
1:14:38
of time and never pick up a subscriber on Spotify.
1:14:40
And in the last 30 days, I think we picked up 11, so.
1:14:45
That's cool. That was another thing we talked
1:14:48
about while you're gone. I was welcoming all the new
1:14:50
YouTube subscribers because what Chris just described as a true
1:14:54
story, and I talked about it while he was gone with a month
1:14:57
ago we had what, 68 subscribers? 64, and now we have just shy of
1:15:02
2000. So yeah, welcome to everybody
1:15:04
that has jumped on for the ride. And then those of you that have
1:15:08
jumped on for the ride that have to be listening to this episode
1:15:10
on on YouTube, just go ahead. And we need 10 more people to
1:15:13
get to 2000. Well, we don't know where it
1:15:16
1990 something. It might be 9, we might just
1:15:19
need one. We don't know.
1:15:21
It doesn't show us that last digit.
1:15:24
Damn it, it doesn't. It probably does you because
1:15:26
you're the page owner. It doesn't show us, it just says
1:15:28
1990. Let's go to the YouTube man
1:15:31
going to the YouTube right now, boys or girls which were live on
1:15:33
YouTube. By the way, we are 21 countries,
1:15:37
21 countries come to 21 countries.
1:15:40
Let's go to our channel view channel.
1:15:42
Now that we're in Malaysia, we have literally circumnavigated
1:15:45
the globe. A circumnavigated big word
1:15:48
because Malaysia is over there on the other side of China. 1999
1:15:56
subscribers. Are you serious?
1:15:58
We need one more person. 147,937 Views of 466 videos.
1:16:05
Which is absolutely amazing. Thank you everyone.
1:16:09
You're making our vision of having this be a place that
1:16:12
people meet and learn about different ideas come to life.
1:16:16
So that's outstanding. And what's really cool is Mike's
1:16:20
going to take some time off in August and he's going to, we're
1:16:22
going to build the, we're going to build the website we are.
1:16:26
And all the stuff is going to be on the website and more.
1:16:29
So what's what's cool about the live?
1:16:31
Because I'm on the page now we have the testing 1 which we did
1:16:35
a month ago at 3 views. Thank you.
1:16:40
I was one of those people. But today's show marks our 20th
1:16:44
show being streamed live, which is cool.
1:16:47
This is #20. This is #20 the stream live,
1:16:49
yeah. That's awesome.
1:16:51
Yeah. Gone live to the YouTube 20
1:16:55
times. Right.
1:16:56
And you know, our shorts, for those of you don't know the
1:17:00
reason why you want to subscribe to our channel is that we have,
1:17:04
we have shorts that drop every day and the shorts are
1:17:09
different. They're never the same, but
1:17:10
they're from different, different episodes that we've
1:17:13
that we've done. So your ability to kind of to
1:17:16
kind of get a feel for different topics as as they as they come
1:17:22
across is pretty neat. So yeah, you do a good job of
1:17:25
giving a mix from and I'll I'll reinforce that you definitely
1:17:29
want to subscribe to YouTube, even if you're a Spotify or
1:17:32
Apple podcast listener for the simple fact that Chris does a
1:17:35
great job of digging back in the archive and showing you examples
1:17:39
of shows you may have missed that you might say, hey, I want
1:17:42
to learn about peptides. I didn't know that that Brian
1:17:44
Morris episode was about peptides.
1:17:46
So now I want to do that. I really, I like it for myself.
1:17:50
That's why I like all your reels that you drop because there's
1:17:54
things I forget about too, you know?
1:17:55
And I was sitting here like, oh wow, I.
1:17:57
Missed that. And yeah, and we're my the reels
1:18:00
are booked out all the way. We have three wheels, 3 shorts.
1:18:03
I'm sorry, we have three shorts that drop a day and they go to
1:18:08
August 12th. I'm sorry, August 1st and that
1:18:13
hasn't I haven't done it for the last two or three shows and
1:18:15
there's still some other shorts and then that'll get get set up
1:18:18
as well. So it's kind of cool that that
1:18:23
the stuff I'm looking at that's coming, that's coming up.
1:18:27
It's we have stuff on there from from Jake Johnson, the badass
1:18:31
boxer, but it's super cool, cool, mellow human.
1:18:35
We have someone who's been kidnapped that's coming up,
1:18:40
conversation with Mark Jeffrey from iheart about random things.
1:18:45
Well, I didn't think about it until I was talking to one of
1:18:48
our guests. It wasn't Yuri, but it it was
1:18:52
somebody before. Then you took a break and you're
1:18:55
like, I'll be right back. You guys talk and we were
1:18:57
talking about the shorts and I said it didn't hit me until he
1:19:01
started posting all these on YouTube and I went back and
1:19:04
looked. We average.
1:19:06
I said, let's just say we averaged 10 shorts a show, which
1:19:09
is about average. We usually do 10 to 13.
1:19:12
We've done 120 shows now. That's 1200 shorts minimum that
1:19:17
we have sitting in our archive, just to give people an example
1:19:21
of what kind of catalog we've developed over the last, what,
1:19:24
18 months? Right.
1:19:25
And what's crazy is I wasn't dropping those shorts until
1:19:30
March, right? So if I is, if there's a way to
1:19:34
go back into into Riverside? So coming up in September is
1:19:38
going to be our renewal, OK? And I'm going to put us on the
1:19:42
pro plan so that we don't have to have things archived.
1:19:44
They'll just be there whenever you want to use them.
1:19:46
Cool. Yeah, because I still have, I'm
1:19:51
looking at probably wow. There's.
1:19:53
Oh wow, wow. Yeah, see, they just keep
1:19:56
multiplying. I got a lot of I'm just on
1:19:58
YouTube that I haven't set up yet.
1:20:00
I have I have drafts, man, like I did the truck drivers TikTok
1:20:05
tragedy. Is it is it still under draft?
1:20:08
So I really can go in here and and set up another Wow, there's
1:20:12
another hole. Mama Kay's secret spaghetti is a
1:20:15
is a reel that has yet to drop. Sweet Jeff Bezos space mishap.
1:20:24
Like when, whenever I think I'm caught up, it's like, oh shit,
1:20:27
you're not caught up, Chris. Tell me about it.
1:20:30
That's why I panicked when you told me I didn't do those.
1:20:33
That one episode. I'm like, I can't be that far
1:20:35
behind. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy, man.
1:20:40
I panicked. It's all good.
1:20:42
I mean, that's the but was the benefit though, because when I
1:20:44
went on, when I, when I went on vacation, then I was gone for
1:20:47
seven days. We we we we dropped like 4 shows
1:20:50
in a row, scheduled them out. Yeah, so that's one thing that I
1:20:53
should have talked about when I was doing the public service
1:20:55
announcement while you were gone.
1:20:56
So we'll talk about it now. That's the reason, when you come
1:20:59
on, if you're a guest, that your show doesn't drop for two weeks
1:21:02
because we have to have a week buffer in there so that him and
1:21:06
I can take a vacation. We have lives too.
1:21:08
We have to be able to go out and live so we can bring you more
1:21:10
content. That's why it takes two weeks to
1:21:15
drop your show. Right.
1:21:16
It's, you know, sometimes I have to rub my tire tread on a car,
1:21:19
you know, that's content. Sometimes I got to ask a, a, a,
1:21:23
a a working man to move his vehicle and just have him stare
1:21:26
at me. You know what's funny too?
1:21:29
When I left right, I drove around the pumps and then came
1:21:33
up to the side to the window where he was sitting still
1:21:37
sitting there, rolled my passion side window down and just I
1:21:40
don't know for a minute just looked in.
1:21:42
He never moved his head. He just the entire time, the
1:21:45
silhouette and you and you can't tell me you couldn't feel my
1:21:49
presence of. Course you can.
1:21:51
It's. But that's another thing that's
1:21:52
been scientifically proven. The stupid things that I know in
1:21:55
my head over 60% of the time when they perform those
1:21:59
experiments, can someone tell if someone else is looking at them?
1:22:02
Yeah, it was like right at 60% accuracy.
1:22:06
Yeah, you can tell when someone's looking at you.
1:22:08
Yeah, or you can at least feel it.
1:22:10
You can feel the. Presence.
1:22:11
That was their point, right? Yeah, you can feel it.
1:22:13
Right. But just, yeah, such a Dick
1:22:16
move. And it really it, it wouldn't
1:22:18
have cost him any time except for 5 minutes.
1:22:22
And, and just really, you know, I just, I don't know, don't be
1:22:27
that human, man. If somebody asked you to do
1:22:29
something and, and, and literally you can pick up what
1:22:32
you're doing without affecting your life for two minutes and
1:22:35
make that change. Because really, I could have let
1:22:38
that too. I could have let that totally
1:22:39
affect the outcome of my day because the guy was a total
1:22:41
piece of shit. Well, here's what I'll add to
1:22:43
that if someone makes a reasonable request like Chris
1:22:45
did of this person. He wasn't a Dick at first,
1:22:47
right? No, nor would I have been.
1:22:49
I always start off trying to be the nice guy.
1:22:52
Give me a logical explanation as to why you can't fulfill my
1:22:56
request and I'll listen, right? But you can't just sit there
1:23:00
like a fucking bump on a log and pretend that I'm not there or
1:23:03
that I wasn't talking. That's rude.
1:23:06
Disrespectful. Right.
1:23:07
And and and I'm the furthest person from racist in the world,
1:23:11
as is Mike. 100%. I'm learning to speak Spanish
1:23:15
because when I go to countries where they speak Spanish, I want
1:23:18
to be able to speak Spanish. That's their language.
1:23:20
I respect that if, if, if Nikki and I, we're going to go to
1:23:24
Italy at some point in time. So I will go on Duolingo and I
1:23:26
will Start learning Italian because it, to me it's a respect
1:23:29
thing. I'm going into your country,
1:23:32
Mexico. So I should have the respect
1:23:36
enough of me of a human being to and to respect your your primary
1:23:40
language. On a basic level.
1:23:42
For sure, right, right, just and for for nothing less than just
1:23:46
to to be able to minimally communicate.
1:23:47
I mean like legit I, I conversational Spanish I can
1:23:52
pull off just because of Duolingo and and my foundation
1:23:55
from high school with Miss Alonzo's Spanish class, right?
1:23:57
She would never let us speak English in class once we walk in
1:24:00
the door. We had to speak Spanish, right?
1:24:02
It was, and it was so frustrating.
1:24:03
But it, I mean, it's, it is Espanol Miguel, right?
1:24:07
I was Santiago, I was Paco. I was Paco.
1:24:09
You were Paco. I was Paco, you know?
1:24:11
I I was Paco, you know I was Paco, man.
1:24:13
You remember the movie Bad Boys with Sean Penn and East Side
1:24:17
Morales? Oh yeah.
1:24:18
That's a great movie. The chicago-based movie, the
1:24:21
opening scene. I'm going to paint the picture
1:24:22
opening scene. It's like one of the opening
1:24:24
scene. It's it's within the 1st 10
1:24:26
minutes. Sean Penn and and oh fuck me,
1:24:31
the dude, his partner on the in the in the movie, the beginning
1:24:34
of the movie was a dude that played Cameron in Ferris
1:24:37
Bueller's Day Off. You see him?
1:24:39
Yeah, I don't remember that guy. I.
1:24:40
Don't remember his name here I. Don't know who you're talking
1:24:42
about though. Yeah, so they're driving in this
1:24:44
like beat up Oldsmobile, flying through Chicago streets, Billy
1:24:47
Squires songs on what the fuck It was song was in the dark.
1:24:54
Great song. It it fit perfectly with the
1:24:56
scene, like perfectly with the scene.
1:24:58
And then they were robbed these drug they were robbing these
1:25:00
drug dealers in chaos ensued. And that's kind of took down the
1:25:03
whole bad, bad boy path of, of juvenile facility in Illinois,
1:25:07
you know, But that's so his so, so Isa Morales's name in the
1:25:13
movie was Paco. And I liked the movie.
1:25:15
And I was like, oh, what's your name Chris?
1:25:17
Oh, it'd be Paco. And she's like, no, no crystal
1:25:19
ball. No Paco.
1:25:20
Me Miyama Paco. You know, I had to be Santiago.
1:25:24
Why? Because some other Dick in my
1:25:27
class got to be Miguel, because apparently he had a better last
1:25:31
name or some shit. You know, that's funny.
1:25:35
He's, I'm not going to call him out, but he's already.
1:25:37
Miguel Yeah, OK, I'll be Santiago.
1:25:40
Yeah, that's, you know, one of my friends.
1:25:44
Not one of my first lessons, but right up there in one of my
1:25:47
first lessons in that sometimes it's just better off to take the
1:25:53
discretion is the better part of valor, right?
1:25:55
Right. Yeah.
1:25:58
Wasn't a battle I was willing to fight, but it still pissed me
1:26:00
off. No, yeah, I can see that.
1:26:03
Well, because it's your name, you know.
1:26:04
Yeah, I want to be Miguel. Yeah, fucking.
1:26:07
Better than me. I was listening to Sirius.
1:26:11
I don't know, I've been listening to spa music when I
1:26:13
drive, but I was listening to something and they were doing
1:26:17
like a a top something list, like top ten song music movie
1:26:22
songs that that captured the moment.
1:26:25
And you and I have talked about this, which is why this stuck in
1:26:27
my head. The movie The Warriors, the end
1:26:30
of it, when they're coming over the mountain, was not really a
1:26:32
mountain. Come over the hill and then they
1:26:34
hit the beach. And more like a dune, right?
1:26:36
Right, and the dune and and then the first note of in the city
1:26:39
hits and then just in the the camera pans out and you know,
1:26:42
you get the right just you feel it and you get tangles because
1:26:45
it's it's the fucking DJ on SiriusXM said the IT described
1:26:50
the exact same scene before that song played.
1:26:53
And I'm like, finally somebody else recognizes the power of
1:26:58
music on a level like that that because when I hear in the city,
1:27:03
I automatically think the Warriors, right?
1:27:05
You know, I've had that conversation with so many
1:27:07
people, and you just see that light bulb go off over their
1:27:09
head. I ask one simple question.
1:27:12
Imagine TV or movies with no music.
1:27:14
Yeah. Yeah.
1:27:16
And they're like, man, I never thought about that.
1:27:18
Yeah, it would suck. You imagine Superman flying
1:27:20
without Superman music. He's just flying with a Cape in
1:27:23
the air. You know what the hell are we
1:27:30
watching? It's just a man of dude flying
1:27:32
in the sky. But when you're here, that was
1:27:40
Star Wars. But.
1:27:41
But you know it but same. Thing though, yeah, imagine Star
1:27:43
Wars without that song. Imagine Darth Vader coming
1:27:46
through the the the door with with nothing, just walking, just
1:27:51
walking. It's so you've seen the stuff
1:27:53
where they can isolate vocals, right?
1:27:55
They can take the music out of the vocals like they did Ozzy's
1:27:57
Mama. I'm coming home with his final
1:27:59
show, which I thought was like bullshit, like leave the man
1:28:01
alone. But you think they could be able
1:28:05
to isolate, take the music out of a movie scene and just see.
1:28:09
Oh, I'm sure they can. The the how, how, how
1:28:12
dramatically effects it. I to be honest with you, I think
1:28:16
this popped into my head because I swear on one of my rabbit
1:28:19
holes they did it with a sitcom and it was The Big Bang Theory
1:28:23
in particular, if I remember without the laugh track, how
1:28:27
stupid that show really is and they suck you into and I like
1:28:32
The Big Bang Theory. I'm not, I'm as guilty of being
1:28:35
sucked into it as anybody else, but man, when you watch it
1:28:37
without that little laugh track and the music in the background,
1:28:41
it is, it's just kind of like, why is that funny, you know?
1:28:45
Well, yeah. Well, Seinfeld had a laugh
1:28:47
track. Yeah, of course it did.
1:28:48
And that would be a lot of those would be equally as stupid
1:28:51
without the most of theirs was comedic timing though.
1:28:55
Right. The office had no laugh track.
1:28:57
The office wasn't filmed live. There was no.
1:29:00
The Office is the same way as Seinfeld.
1:29:02
The comedic timing is what makes it.
1:29:04
You know, it's, it's how Michael says it.
1:29:07
It's when he says it, it's like flexion in his voice.
1:29:11
You can't. That's another thing you can't
1:29:12
teach, right? Right.
1:29:13
But but what I'm saying is the office, there is no laugh track,
1:29:16
there's no live studio audits. It's just we have these cameras.
1:29:19
It's kind of like Parks and Rec. We have these cameras.
1:29:21
It's supposed to be they're following us around like a.
1:29:26
Documentary scrubs, so check that out the the people who
1:29:31
created scrubs, parks and rec, the office and and St.
1:29:35
Dennis, which is AI think a Netflix show all the same, all
1:29:40
the same guys and the whole concept is it's a documentary.
1:29:44
There's no laugh tracks, there's no live story audience.
1:29:46
It's just you're feeling great writers.
1:29:48
They do right and you relying on the on the actors to fill the
1:29:52
the gap of no laugh track and no studio.
1:29:55
These characters that are when you say Dwight Schrute, you know
1:30:01
that character, right? When you say Pam, everybody, you
1:30:04
know, fell in love with Pam as the secretary.
1:30:06
When you say Michael, you know, the goofy office manager guy who
1:30:09
doesn't really have a clue, and it's his team that supports him.
1:30:12
And it's not an accident that you and I, as fans automatically
1:30:18
know each character. That just tells you how great
1:30:21
is. Same thing with the song that
1:30:22
you get stuck in your head. Yeah, yeah.
1:30:25
That just proves the artist had the right vision of conveying
1:30:29
their message because it got stuck in your head.
1:30:31
And see that that goes back to development, right?
1:30:34
Like labels, there's no labels anymore to develop those bands,
1:30:36
to develop those artists, to get them to the level where
1:30:39
Metallicas are AT and the Pearl Jams are AT.
1:30:42
And they just, they don't back them anymore.
1:30:45
And then it's the same thing with with TV, right?
1:30:47
Because the mayor's America's attention span is so small.
1:30:51
Sitcoms were the same way. They used to give them
1:30:53
development deals and you would have a season or maybe a half a
1:30:58
season to try and gain some traction.
1:31:00
They'd give you 9 episodes and if that did well then they would
1:31:04
pick it up for the back end is what they call it.
1:31:06
You'd get the other 12 episodes or whatever it was for that
1:31:10
year. Right, like the Office?
1:31:12
Yeah, The Office pulled off of the English version of The
1:31:14
Office and their first season was only 9 episodes.
1:31:17
Right, that was that's usually the standard development deal is
1:31:20
9 episodes. I think Seinfeld's first season
1:31:22
was 5, five or seven or six. Yeah, it was.
1:31:25
Yeah, it was small. And the first season of Seinfeld
1:31:28
sucked. Like I just.
1:31:29
Did going back and watching it I never watched the first season
1:31:32
anymore. Yeah, no, I don't.
1:31:33
I don't watch the first or second because they just suck.
1:31:35
It's just so bad because they're developing it.
1:31:37
They're they're finding their class.
1:31:39
I thought I hated Seinfeld when you and I were in Nemesis in the
1:31:42
90s. I'm like, that show sucks.
1:31:44
Well, that's because we were there in the beginning and it
1:31:46
kind of did. Yeah, yeah, Cheers sucked for
1:31:48
the first couple years, man, because absolutely, you're
1:31:51
building things up. Cheers wasn't Cheers until
1:31:53
probably the fifth or sixth season where it finally got its
1:31:56
its roots planted and you had all the characters developed and
1:31:59
it was the Thursday night thing and all of a sudden it was, you
1:32:01
know, Cheers and ER and whatever else was on.
1:32:03
It's being invested in those characters.
1:32:05
One of the funniest stories that I tell is when I was living with
1:32:08
Kevin and it was me, Kevin and Nick.
1:32:11
And on Wednesday night, you know, three of the manliest men,
1:32:15
you know, like women smoking, smoking pot, going out drinking,
1:32:19
having a good time. Wednesday night we had all these
1:32:22
people come over and it's like everybody shut up. 9 O2 one I
1:32:24
was on right? Right.
1:32:27
Shut the fuck up because we can't see this again, right?
1:32:30
You know? Nine O 2 and followed by Melrose
1:32:32
Place. Oh yeah, and that was the same
1:32:34
thing. Shows on, shows on.
1:32:36
So here's all these macho guys sitting around and he, Kevin had
1:32:40
one friend who was a female that would come over, but that was
1:32:43
it. There was like 7 guys in Sookie
1:32:46
sitting there and shut up shows on.
1:32:49
Yep, I remember that. I remember the funny.
1:32:50
Because we were invested in the storyline and the characters.
1:32:54
I know 21-O sucked in the beginning too.
1:32:56
Yep, Yep, it did. But you just hit the nail on the
1:33:01
head. There's no, you know, there's no
1:33:04
time to develop that kind of we're doing it organically here,
1:33:08
but we had to foot we're our own producer and production company.
1:33:12
So sure. And it still took that time that
1:33:14
you just described to develop some traction.
1:33:18
We went along with 100 people watching us forever.
1:33:21
Right. And that's the thing too, like
1:33:22
when people on the podcast platforms run on Facebook, when
1:33:25
people will post stuff on there and you probably see me respond,
1:33:28
yeah, oh, just passed 100,000 subscribers and this many views.
1:33:32
And so my comment is always, did you do it organically or did you
1:33:35
pay for it? Or if you go and look, sometimes
1:33:38
they've been doing it since 2006, right?
1:33:41
Right. So yeah, in 20 years you got
1:33:43
100,000 subscribers. Right.
1:33:46
But the ones that don't answer are the ones that pay, right?
1:33:50
And to me, that's a fact, right? And to me, if you pay for
1:33:52
followers and pay for subscribers, they're they're,
1:33:56
they're not organic, they're not real, they're bots.
1:33:59
It's because we get hit up all the time and I tell them all
1:34:01
like, you know, go fly a kite, go find somebody else, go play
1:34:03
in somebody else's sandbox. Because I don't we don't want to
1:34:06
develop it that way. I like the guy that you said.
1:34:09
You pay us and then if we get the results that you desire,
1:34:12
we'll give you your money back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:34:14
And he's like, what? And I was like, wasn't that the?
1:34:17
Best one ever dude. Wasn't that clear?
1:34:20
Like you give me money and then you do the work and if I see the
1:34:24
result, 'cause I I said that, I laughed.
1:34:26
So hard when I read that I'm like I love you.
1:34:30
Just because I want real authentic followers.
1:34:32
Because I know. Me too.
1:34:34
When, when, when I first started doing Instagram, when Instagram
1:34:36
wasn't really a thing yet with with real estate stuff.
1:34:39
I could hit up all the time with that stuff.
1:34:41
Oh, you know, 5000 followers by the end of the day.
1:34:44
I was like, well, but are they going to be real followers?
1:34:46
Well, it's just numbers. Well, no, I don't.
1:34:48
I don't want bullshit. Because then the bullshit ones,
1:34:52
they fall off, right? They disappear, you know, how
1:34:55
many days later or how many weeks later than those those
1:34:57
profiles were fake. So then they're gone and then
1:34:59
all of a sudden you don't. It's kind of like Facebook.
1:35:01
Every now and then you're going to Facebook, right?
1:35:02
And I'll go and clean up my friends list because some of the
1:35:05
profiles end up having the pictures gone because they were
1:35:08
bogus to begin with. Well, you know how much of A
1:35:10
nerd I am, and I have to know the real answer to whatever
1:35:13
question somebody's asking or the one I'm asking of myself.
1:35:17
And I asked the same question of myself about, OK, if I pay for
1:35:21
these subscribers, what's going to happen?
1:35:23
And if you watch enough of those YouTube videos of these people
1:35:26
that have millions of subscribers or hundreds of
1:35:28
thousands, they will tell you that the mistake they made was
1:35:32
doing what you just said. Because if you have too many
1:35:36
subscribers and no views to show for it, it kills the algorithm.
1:35:40
So all of a sudden it kicks you to the bottom.
1:35:42
It's like actually it's a negative connotation then
1:35:45
because you have 100,000 subscribers and you're getting
1:35:48
less than 100 views on every the show you put out.
1:35:51
The algorithm doesn't like that right?
1:35:53
AI is like, I don't understand. Evidently their content sucks
1:35:58
because they have 100,000 subscribers and no views.
1:36:01
And another interesting thing about AI and YouTube, effective
1:36:05
July 1st, which was 17 days ago, your content on YouTube, if it's
1:36:11
not real, IE what Mike and I are doing, this is and has and has
1:36:17
real people, real faces, real voices, real human voices, real
1:36:21
human interaction. Am IA real?
1:36:23
Person sometimes depending on the matrix Pinocchio, but the
1:36:28
ones that create content that's fake, they use AI to create a
1:36:32
using AI to create content. The YouTube spiders, Google
1:36:35
spiders, they're not going to recognize it anymore.
1:36:38
So if if you're not real like this, your contents not going
1:36:42
anywhere because it's not going to recognize it being real.
1:36:44
So that way it will do what Mike just mentioned about the fake
1:36:47
followers with not enough views, you're going to get pushed down
1:36:50
to the bottom. I did not know that.
1:36:52
It's interesting. Yeah, Why?
1:36:53
Because think about it, you can't tell some stuff now from
1:36:56
reality and AII. Mean OK, so with that said, have
1:37:00
you heard of that just that's great.
1:37:03
That's just triggered this memory.
1:37:05
Have you heard of these bands on Spotify now that are blowing up
1:37:08
that are AI? Yes.
1:37:10
But that's Spotify, it's not YouTube.
1:37:12
But I think that YouTube, now that you say that, I think
1:37:15
that's YouTube's way of combating that happening to them
1:37:20
because I I had actually heard of one of those bands on Spotify
1:37:25
and I'm like, that can't be a fake man.
1:37:28
It was. Yeah, it's insane.
1:37:29
So it's somebody sitting at their laptop like me that's
1:37:32
being nefarious and saying I can create a whole band.
1:37:35
And you can, if you're Lemoine, you can sit here with my MacBook
1:37:38
Pro and he can make it sound like Van Halen by himself with
1:37:42
never picking up an instrument. I have every instrument I need
1:37:46
inside that Studio 1 program that I use here.
1:37:49
That's amazing. And because I know how to play,
1:37:51
and because he knows how to play, he can say I want an A
1:37:54
chord, AG chord and AD chord, and I want it to go this many
1:37:57
times on this measure and I can keep charting it out until the
1:38:00
song is done right. Yeah.
1:38:03
So somebody did that with an entire band named it gave it
1:38:06
members and I. Think Spotify awesome and made
1:38:10
money? Yes, I think it's awesome, but
1:38:13
it's also not awesome because you're you're taking the offense
1:38:16
of authenticity of what makes a musician A musician away because
1:38:23
the the the whole reason every successful band, right,
1:38:27
everybody that's out there in the upper.
1:38:28
But am I because it's me? My phone.
1:38:32
Wait, let me finish my all right, let me finish my thing
1:38:35
here. Every band who is who is filling
1:38:37
stadiums and arenas and shit like that, they paid their dues,
1:38:43
right? Like we paid our dues.
1:38:45
So then you take somebody who's sitting in front of computer one
1:38:47
night and he creates an entire band and then spends a couple
1:38:50
weeks creating an entire set list of 12 songs and puts it up
1:38:53
on Spotify. It's Milli Vanilli artificially
1:38:57
and make money and blah, blah, blah.
1:38:59
And then they finally get called out.
1:39:00
You're not a real band. They just hoodwinked.
1:39:03
Hoodwinked. How many ever many people?
1:39:05
So so to me, it's it's not genuine because you're just
1:39:08
showing the world. But I'm going to make.
1:39:10
I'm going to make my same argument.
1:39:11
OK, what if it's me? I'm a musician.
1:39:16
If there's validity there because you are a musician, but.
1:39:18
What if I wrote all the music on my computer and I sent it to you
1:39:21
and you sang the song? Does that make it any less of a
1:39:24
song? No, no, because I'm.
1:39:25
But it's a real person singing the songs.
1:39:28
I mean, you created the music, yes?
1:39:30
But I've never played an instrument.
1:39:32
But you but you know how to play instruments.
1:39:34
That's my argument. Right, right.
1:39:35
What? If that person's the same way,
1:39:37
what if Lemoyne sat down and created his whole band in his
1:39:40
head and put it up there as a fake band and it took off, which
1:39:43
it very well could be just like his album's doing right now
1:39:46
because he's a talented individual.
1:39:48
What if Lemoyne sits there and it's a cold winter in Illinois
1:39:51
and he can't get out for three months?
1:39:52
And he's like, I got this vision, this guy, he's like this
1:39:55
kind of singer, and I always wanted this kind of drummer.
1:39:58
And he just dreams it up in his head, like.
1:40:00
You would write a book, right? That's.
1:40:01
A valid point, OK, and. He sticks it up on Spotify and
1:40:05
it blows up and he's got 20 million subscribers a month
1:40:07
because he wrote such damn good music, but he never played an
1:40:10
instrument. I'll give you that.
1:40:11
I agree with that. Then it's yeah, it's, yeah.
1:40:14
OK, so that's no different than somebody the producers behind
1:40:17
boy bands and shit, right? So, yeah, I'll give you that.
1:40:19
I can see that point of view now.
1:40:20
It you can argue both sides of it, Yeah, I'm not saying that
1:40:23
either side is wrong. I'm just giving you my opinion.
1:40:26
But that's, I mean, that's a valid point that I wasn't even
1:40:28
thinking about. So that from that aspect of it,
1:40:31
then yeah, there's nothing wrong with it.
1:40:33
Because at first I was thinking exactly like you just did.
1:40:36
And I had to, you know, break it all the way down to the nub, as
1:40:39
I say. And I put myself in their shoes.
1:40:42
And I'm like, if I sat here on my MacBook Pro and I created a
1:40:46
whole band in my head and it blew up, and then all of a
1:40:49
sudden everybody's saying that I'm not legitimate, I'd be
1:40:51
fucking pissed. I'm like, of course I'm
1:40:53
legitimate. I'm the one that wrote the
1:40:54
songs, put them up there, and people love them, right?
1:40:57
I got 20 million subscribers a month.
1:40:59
How's that wrong? Yeah, that's true.
1:41:01
OK. Yeah, I'll give you that.
1:41:03
I agree with you. Then you've changed my mind.
1:41:04
Good job. Get your calendars out, boys and
1:41:08
girls. Mic change my mind.
1:41:11
It's a. It's a valid point though, and
1:41:13
that's A and and that's a good place for to wrap the show up
1:41:16
today because you know, I got shit to do.
1:41:18
You got shit to do and you know again.
1:41:21
Mostly go pee, if we're being honest.
1:41:23
OK, well, you got to start somewhere, you know, So our next
1:41:28
show, just just to see who it is, we were supposed to have
1:41:34
Terry Devine on. So we will poke at Terry and
1:41:36
make sure that he he joins the show.
1:41:38
I don't remember what Terry's about, so I'm not going to
1:41:40
elaborate on that. But, you know, to the survivor
1:41:43
out there, Katie, I don't know what happened today, but I I
1:41:45
messaged you and and you just, you just didn't respond.
1:41:48
So hopefully everything's OK in your world and you just had a
1:41:50
snack. We wish you well.
1:41:51
Katie. For sure.
1:41:52
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
1:41:53
But she sounded like an interesting conversation
1:41:55
because, you know, she did, she did dub herself the survivor
1:41:59
from something, not really sure what survivor or what, because,
1:42:04
you know, we didn't have her on the show.
1:42:08
Well, you guys got to listen to two survivors here, so.
1:42:11
You did, you did. And hey again, you can find us
1:42:14
on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, all the Apple, all the
1:42:18
all the podcasting platforms. As Mike alluded to, also Twitch
1:42:23
because we record this and it's YouTube and Twitch live,
1:42:27
correct. We are working on a website,
1:42:30
chrisandmikeshow.com. So we'll get that up and
1:42:32
running. Be patient with us.
1:42:33
Thank you. It's just two of us, and we have
1:42:34
real lives aside from this, yes. You know?
1:42:39
Anything else you want to share before we jump ship?
1:42:41
It's 1111, which is kind of cool, you know?
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Here's an interesting fact that I thought you would appreciate
1:42:48
because you like interesting facts.
1:42:50
I do like. Interesting.
1:42:51
You know how we talked about the, I'll make this quick, but
1:42:53
you know how we talked about the airplane and we found out from
1:42:56
Carl the airplane crashes are not really more than we thought
1:42:59
they were. Yes, as far as flash floods go,
1:43:04
it's actually way worse than I would have anticipated.
1:43:08
So now they're going to call this the year of the flood.
1:43:11
So far there have been 4400 flash flood reports and the
1:43:15
average year to date is 1900. Wow.
1:43:20
So we're what, 3 times? Wow. 2 1/2.
1:43:27
You know what that could be? Because the Earth is moving at
1:43:29
.00000005 milliseconds faster it is.
1:43:34
You know that's going to add up over time though.
1:43:36
It is. It is really, you know, And then
1:43:40
they found another world that's just like ours, but it's it's so
1:43:43
far away. It doesn't matter, which I don't
1:43:45
know why they tell us that shit like, oh, we found another world
1:43:47
called Andromney over here and this the other Galaxy.
1:43:50
OK, Why? Who cares?
1:43:51
We're not, unless you're going to beam me up, Scotty, Who
1:43:54
cares? I think it's.
1:43:56
I think that possibility is there.
1:43:58
I think that I think no, I think they're going to be able to fold
1:44:01
space and time. I think we're going to finally
1:44:04
learn that time is way different than we.
1:44:07
We think time is linear. I don't think time.
1:44:09
Is. I don't think time is either.
1:44:11
Once they can figure out why time is not linear and if they
1:44:14
can fold space and time all of a sudden, instead of 480 light
1:44:19
years to get to the next planet, it might be 6 months because you
1:44:23
can ZAP through this wormhole. Yeah, and I was watching this
1:44:26
documentary, I think last week, I think it was called Back to
1:44:30
the Future where the scientist, he had developed a time machine
1:44:35
and it it propelled I'm. Going to tell you why that's not
1:44:38
possible. Yeah, he propelled his friend.
1:44:40
Because DeLorean quit making cars.
1:44:42
And I love your example though. Yeah, yeah.
1:44:48
There's this documentary. There's three parts to it.
1:44:51
There is actually. There's five, I thought.
1:44:53
No, there's only three Back to the Future.
1:44:55
Oh, I thought there's 5. The third one's where he goes
1:44:57
out West that I'm. Not Oh, that's right.
1:44:59
Yeah. I just, you know, the first one.
1:45:01
The first one was. Good.
1:45:03
The second one was good too. The second one was decent from
1:45:06
the fact that if you, if you go watch the second one, you're
1:45:09
going to see all kinds of relevance to our world today,
1:45:12
which is a, which is a trip, which is a total trip.
1:45:15
You know, talking to ATV on the wall, which, you know, we talk
1:45:19
to Siri all the time. So that's a trip.
1:45:22
So talk to your car now. Right.
1:45:24
I had to. I had, I had someone I know that
1:45:26
had had one of those, has one of those Rivion trucks, you know
1:45:28
those electric trucks. Yeah, they make them right down
1:45:30
the road from where I live. OK.
1:45:32
And you get in there and it's Alexa, Alexa brain.
1:45:36
And he's like, I just tell Alexa, Take Me Home and I buckle
1:45:40
up. And that's all I got to do.
1:45:42
That's crazy, right? Yeah.
1:45:46
There's a way MO graveyard in in my part of town because the way
1:45:51
MO breakdown more than people think and they're lined up side
1:45:55
to side, bumper to bumper. That's the driverless car
1:45:58
company. Right, right.
1:45:59
They're all Jaguars, but they have, they have so much issues
1:46:03
with them that legit there's a graveyard where they just cycle,
1:46:06
they break down, they fix breakdown and they're Jags.
1:46:08
So you know, the vehicle itself is fantastic.
1:46:11
It's a Jaguar. You know why I think that is
1:46:14
real quick. Yeah, yes.
1:46:15
Please. I don't think it's the
1:46:17
technology. I think that the infrastructure
1:46:20
is not ready for that advanced of technology.
1:46:23
If you look at how broken down our infrastructure is and now
1:46:27
that I'm driving this car that basically drives itself for a
1:46:29
gas powered engine, it it's not like an electric car, but it's
1:46:35
got sensors all over it, right? So it sees the lines on the road
1:46:38
until the lines on the road are not there enough or not there
1:46:42
at. All right.
1:46:43
Yes, yes. You go to other countries and
1:46:45
that's the reason they have real thick lane lines and stuff like
1:46:48
that, so that their cars will drive themselves where they need
1:46:52
to go. It's very helpful if your
1:46:53
infrastructure is up to par. Agreed.
1:46:57
Well, but you don't want the infrastructure in the back, the
1:46:59
back country roads of Illinois because it takes the the
1:47:01
character away from that shit. Well, I can.
1:47:05
Still, I mean, at least I wouldn't, you know what I mean?
1:47:06
I don't, I because I, I learned how to drive in Illinois and
1:47:09
those back roads of Illinois and I, I, I can remember that
1:47:12
vividly. I don't, I don't want lane lines
1:47:14
on country roads. I want barren country roads with
1:47:18
country roads. Take Me Home.
1:47:20
No, but in the city where you're talking about driverless cars,
1:47:24
you would think that. And Phoenix is pretty advanced
1:47:26
as far as not being a broken down Rd. system, but it's it's
1:47:30
still aging, right? You haven't been here in a
1:47:32
while. That's ridiculous.
1:47:33
They're down now. They're widening the 2O2.
1:47:37
OK, they built the two O 2 in 2003.
1:47:41
Four 5K on my side, the same 10. Oh OK, the other side opened up
1:47:46
when I first moved. There, but they're widening it.
1:47:49
And so they're widening the bridges.
1:47:51
They're they're, it's the stupidest thing, man.
1:47:54
They're doing the same thing here.
1:47:55
It's it's just. Route 80 has been under.
1:47:58
Here's an example of how. Here's an example of how.
1:48:02
Sometimes I really believe, and I can't prove this, so I'm just
1:48:05
speculating. Don't sue us.
1:48:07
How? Unions kind of screw things up
1:48:09
sometimes. And I am the vice president of
1:48:12
my local union, so it's not that I'm anti union.
1:48:15
They literally have been working on the section of Route 80 since
1:48:19
2016 and in that same amount of time the state of Michigan has
1:48:24
done I-94 in a for 168 miles in both directions, including the
1:48:29
overpasses. The state of Illinois has been
1:48:32
working on widening this one section of Route 80.
1:48:35
Now, it is a massive engineering project.
1:48:37
I'm not saying it's not. It's massive just like you're
1:48:40
describing. Adding lanes to an Interstate is
1:48:43
not just as simple as laying down on a strip of concrete.
1:48:45
Right. But come on now, people.
1:48:50
Yeah, yeah. Do better, Illinois, Do better.
1:48:54
Do better. Like if you're going to build
1:48:56
roads, you're building roads because you know the population
1:48:58
is coming. So Bill, for the population, you
1:49:01
know that's coming instead of baby stepping it.
1:49:03
Thank you. Thank you.
1:49:06
Don't let the bad days win. Somebody Loves You.
1:49:08
Somebody will miss you. Don't leave a hole in somebody
1:49:10
else's heart because you decided to take your own life and you
1:49:14
know it's it's not worth it. So talk to somebody, reach out
1:49:18
to Google Machine. There's always somebody that
1:49:20
will listen to you. Somebody will help guide you
1:49:21
through the problem that you're having.
1:49:24
Take a nap, meditate, journal, journal your feelings.
1:49:28
You'll find that tomorrow is a better day when you wake up and
1:49:31
start fresh for Mike Michaels. I'm Kristen.
1:49:34
This is the Chris and Mike show. Thank you so much for listening
1:49:36
and allowing us to do this little podcast thing.
1:49:39
That's Mike's dream to take over the world.
1:49:41
We're getting there inch by inch.
1:49:42
World domination. As Brian Morrison says, inch by
1:49:46
inch is a cinch. Right, yard by yard is hard.
1:49:49
Yard by yard is hard. Until next time people, nothing
1:49:52
but love. Love you brother.
1:49:53
Love you too. Peace, Peace.
1:49:58
We don't want to fly and this stuff to you.
1:50:03
Look the tablet. Go insane.
1:50:05
This is the place where you will go.
1:50:20
Feel the trail behind your eyes. Feel yourself and meet yourself.
1:50:29
Take a moment. Look.
1:50:30
Until you see him, what's the fail?
1:50:33
That's you for the clear, but you fuck Will.
1:50:40
Who is this baby?
1:51:30
The. Now you turn it, come down here.
1:52:03
We haven't bounced all the exam from fighting.
1:52:11
Wait for the day. When it's.
1:52:14
Closer. I'm here for the way you ain't
1:52:18
no creature. We don't play in France.
1:52:22
You press on the almighty man. You got a dream.
1:52:28
Who in your life to keep our soul in every man?
1:52:34
Take the trail behind your eyes. Feel the soul evolution now.
1:52:40
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Take your moment.
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