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Dr. Fauci's Diaries · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: July twenty seventh, I'm Hugh hewitt all Is for the
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  Speaker 1: moment calm over the skies of Iran. We'll keep our
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  Speaker 1: eyes on that and keep you posted about whether or
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  Speaker 1: not it stays that way throughout the show. Senator Tom
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  Speaker 1: will be along and more. Don't go anywhere. I start though,
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  Speaker 1: with Doctor fauci diaries. Over the weekend, Rand Paul, Senator
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  Speaker 1: from Kentucky, released Dr Fauci's diary, which had been turned
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  Speaker 1: over to the Senate, and they make for pretty extraordinary reading.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Fauci had an ego problem. I interviewed him a
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  Speaker 1: few times throughout COVID. I began as an admirer. Then
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  Speaker 1: I grew increasingly skeptical, and by September of twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: I thought he should leave because I thought he was
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  Speaker 1: doing a lot more harm than good. And he came
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  Speaker 1: on the show and we talked about it. So when
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to play a few cuts from that interview
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  Speaker 1: from twenty twenty one September twenty ninth, twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: then I'm going to read you doctor Fauci's diary entry
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  Speaker 1: cut number six. My interview with doctor Fauci asked, I'm
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  Speaker 1: told by people in the room that you knew there
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  Speaker 1: were a shortage of masks, so you told people not
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  Speaker 1: to wear masks so that we didn't have a run
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  Speaker 1: on masks. I actually understand that as public policy. I've
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  Speaker 1: read the account, I've talked to the people in the room.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you purposely told the noble lie to
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  Speaker 1: prevent us running out of masks in hospitals. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's bad policy, but I understand the motive, and I
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  Speaker 1: understand changing. I changed my mind every day. Yeah I'm
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  Speaker 1: on the air. Every day, stuff happens. I change my mind.
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  Speaker 1: But what you said earlier. It's just facts. Sometimes it's
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  Speaker 1: just a fact that Tony Fauci, not the guy I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking with, but Tony Fauci, the person in people's mind,
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  Speaker 1: is now an impediment to public health because people won't
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  Speaker 1: listen to you. They actively reject what Tony Fauci says
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  Speaker 1: for reasons which are complicated, I have to do with psychology,
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  Speaker 1: mass communication, social media. But can you accept that if
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  Speaker 1: that's just a fact, you ought to respond to it
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  Speaker 1: and say, mister President, I think my time is up
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  Speaker 1: as a successful and effective spokesperson.
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  Speaker 2: You know, with all due respect to you, you who
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  Speaker 2: I do respect you and your intellect. I just completely
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  Speaker 2: disagree with that premise because there are an awful lot
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  Speaker 2: of people who do listen, who do the right thing
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  Speaker 2: from a public health standpoint. So because there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people who have ideas about conspiracy and changing
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  Speaker 2: minds and flip flopping, that's not.
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  Speaker 3: A reason to step down, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: When I was involved forty years ago with HIV and
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  Speaker 2: the activist community were looking at me as a representative
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  Speaker 2: of the face of the federal government and we're trying
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  Speaker 2: to get things done, and it looked like we were
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  Speaker 2: at odds in the sense of really country essentially being
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  Speaker 2: hostile to each other, which we weren't. That would have
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  Speaker 2: been interpreted as g the people who were involved in
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  Speaker 2: this particular difficult and devastating outbreak, don't like what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you step down?
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  Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, as it turned out, we
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  Speaker 2: got close, they understood. I brought them into the dialogue,
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  Speaker 2: into the discussion, and the world and the community were
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  Speaker 2: much better off with that. So the idea that people
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  Speaker 2: right now are not listening to what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is the truth.
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  Speaker 1: All right? Cut number seven? Oh is there comes a
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  Speaker 1: point where it is simply a matter of fact that
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  Speaker 1: Tony Fauci in the era of social media is different
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  Speaker 1: than Tony of Vauci at the beginning of HIV. And
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  Speaker 1: if a new face for the program developed, we would
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  Speaker 1: see an increase in vaccines, in an increase in booster use.
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  Speaker 1: So if that data is presented to you that more
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  Speaker 1: people would get vaccinated if you left the scene, would
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  Speaker 1: you leave the scene? Hugh?
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  Speaker 2: I think that is a completely false narrative that people
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  Speaker 2: are not getting vaccinated because of me.
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  Speaker 1: I am very sorry. I've told you.
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  Speaker 2: I've known you a long time and I respect you,
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  Speaker 2: but I totally reject that people are not getting vaccinated
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  Speaker 2: because of me?
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  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 4: Hugh?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, okay, cut number eight the view. But there
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  Speaker 1: is a large segment of the American people that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: trust you now, and that can't be undone. So I
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  Speaker 1: want I want you to be able to just speak
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  Speaker 1: to them. I know your heart, I know your public service.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're an obstacle to getting vaccination rates up,
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  Speaker 1: should you step aside?
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  Speaker 2: I am not an obstacle to getting vaccinations up. Qu
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  Speaker 2: That is a completely false narrative that I would have
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  Speaker 2: to absolutely reject.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, then then if you're are you persuadable on facts?
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  Speaker 1: If people show you polling, would that change your mind?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So people are saying I'm not getting vaccinated because doctor
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  Speaker 2: Fauci is in the government. Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 1: Actually, I believe that's the truth. Doctor. I believe that
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  Speaker 1: you have it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry you that that is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: How do you think you're understood by the center, right, doctor?
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  Speaker 1: I really don't know that you know this. You might
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  Speaker 1: have a blind side here. How do you think you're understood,
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  Speaker 1: not by conspiracy theorist. I'm not concerned with the three percent,
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  Speaker 1: you're not concerned with the fifty nine percent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Hugh, you are creating an absolutely false narrative
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  Speaker 2: that people sit down and say, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want I know that vaccines are good. I know that
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  Speaker 2: they may save my life and that they may save
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  Speaker 2: the life of my family, and that I have a
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  Speaker 2: societal responsibility in order to keep this outbreak under control
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  Speaker 2: and to get it really under control. But I'm just
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  Speaker 2: not going to get vaccinated because of Tony Fauci hughe.
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  Speaker 1: Not hearing me, No way, not hearing and then my
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  Speaker 1: final cut from the September twenty ninth, twenty twenty one
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  Speaker 1: interview cut number nine a doctor, you're not hearing me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, people see you come on and they turn
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  Speaker 1: off the channel because they don't like you. Whereas a
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  Speaker 1: new face arrives, a new, younger face that says, okay,
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  Speaker 1: new start. I'm never going to tell you that masks
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  Speaker 1: don't need to be Warren, because I got it. If
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  Speaker 1: a new person shows up, I think we're more effective.
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  Speaker 1: Last response to you, Okay, so you have Rachelle Wilenski,
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  Speaker 1: a new young face saying exactly the same thing. You
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  Speaker 1: have the Vick Murphy, a new young face saying exactly
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. So even though they are new young
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  Speaker 1: faces and saying exactly the same thing, I'm saying, people
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  Speaker 1: are not getting vaccinated because of me. Hugh, Sorry, you
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  Speaker 1: go back and analyze that. That's I will. We'll have
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  Speaker 1: that conversation. So he never came back. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: he never came back because I suggest that you resigned.
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  Speaker 1: Turns out he went home and wrote a diary entry
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  Speaker 1: that that I'll read to you right now. This is
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  Speaker 1: doctor Fauci writing. Had a very tough and ridiculous interview
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  Speaker 1: with Hugh Hewitt. Hugh, who is usually a reasonable albeit
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  Speaker 1: very conservative person, was extremely aggressive with me in an
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  Speaker 1: interview in which he kept insisting that people are not
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  Speaker 1: getting vaccinated because I am telling him to get vaccinated
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  Speaker 1: and strongly suggested that I step down and retire since
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  Speaker 1: I'm an obstacle to people getting vaccinated. He quoted a
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  Speaker 1: survey saying that middle to right people want me to
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  Speaker 1: retire and are not getting vaccinated because I'm the messenger
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  Speaker 1: telling them to get vaccinated. Truly, an incredible train of
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  Speaker 1: thought on his part. He said we needed fresh faces
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  Speaker 1: telling people to get vaccinated, and if we had fresh faces,
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  Speaker 1: then people would get vaccinated. I countered by saying, we
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  Speaker 1: do have fresh faces in the form of Rachelle Lensky
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  Speaker 1: and Bevec Murphy. And so does he consider that, although
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  Speaker 1: three of us are saying to get vaccinated, including two
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  Speaker 1: new fresh faces, that people are not getting vaccinated and
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  Speaker 1: merely because I'm one of three people telling them to
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  Speaker 1: get vaccinated. Question. I've never heard a more distorted train
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  Speaker 1: of thought. This conversation triggered in me some serious thinking
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  Speaker 1: about several things, including when I would actually want to
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  Speaker 1: retire from the untenable situation that I am in of
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  Speaker 1: having tens of millions of people hate me because I
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  Speaker 1: stand for the truth. Also, this nonsense about conflating the
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  Speaker 1: discussion about gain of function with the lab leak theory
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  Speaker 1: is preposterous and totally distracting and draining of everyone's energy.
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  Speaker 1: Richard Ebright, with his gain of function obsession, is a
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  Speaker 1: total ahole who is pushing this theory because he wants
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  Speaker 1: to be somebody. I'm terribly disappointed with. Jesse Bloom and
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  Speaker 1: David Rollman for doing somewhat of the same thing. They
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  Speaker 1: have been pushing to stop any gain of function research
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  Speaker 1: for a long time, and I believe that in some
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  Speaker 1: respects they are pushing for an eat and even hoping
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  Speaker 1: for that. It was a lab leak, which the molecular
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  Speaker 1: analysis of the viruses that we use in the lab
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  Speaker 1: compared to virus stars OVID two clearly indicate is impossible.
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  Speaker 1: The opposition to me is part of the big lie
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  Speaker 1: locker up. Trump won the election January sixth with a
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  Speaker 1: friendly visit to the Capitol the China virus and Trump
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  Speaker 1: was correct fire foul chief. Since he was wrong all along,
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  Speaker 1: let's discredit him. Quite frankly, I'm coming to the realization
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  Speaker 1: that our democracy is truly threatened, and that it is possible,
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  Speaker 1: even likely, that our democracy will crumble with the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four election. If Trump fin wins, we are finished.
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  Speaker 1: If Trump loses, his right wing lunatics will try and
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  Speaker 1: overthrow the election, and where the attempts to have state
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  Speaker 1: legislatures validate the electoral votes, I'm really afraid they might
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  Speaker 1: be successful. Having said all of this, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to retire before this outbreak is under control.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get your comments on doctor Fauci and that twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight hundreds by two oh one two three Welcome back America.
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  Speaker 1: I'm you you at my phone numbers one eight hundred
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  Speaker 1: and five to two oh one two three four my priors.
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  Speaker 1: I like doctor Fauci. I had at least two. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember how many times he was on. Doctor Collins
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  Speaker 1: was on three times as well. I'm a big booster.
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  Speaker 1: The booster I got the vaccine. I've been boosted twice.
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  Speaker 1: I'm done. I never got to my knowledge COVID, for
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  Speaker 1: which I'm grateful. And I think doctor Fauci may have
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  Speaker 1: just been the wrong guy at too old an age.
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  Speaker 1: And his diaries are an indictment of ego. It's about
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  Speaker 1: all about Tony, and you can read him kind of sad.
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  Speaker 1: It indicts a number of people in the media didn't
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  Speaker 1: keep their distance appropriately from It's okay to like him,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay to get mad at him, but she can't
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  Speaker 1: pal around with him. And I didn't never met him
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  Speaker 1: in person, but after my tough interview and he wrote
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  Speaker 1: that diary entry, I just want to go back in
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  Speaker 1: the interview. If you were listening to the first segment,
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  Speaker 1: he rejects my premise entirely that people aren't getting vaccinated
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  Speaker 1: because of himself. But when he went to a Dear Diary,
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  Speaker 1: he wrote the conversation with Hugh triggering me some serious
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  Speaker 1: thinking about several things, including when I would actually want
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  Speaker 1: to retire from the untenable situation that I am in
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  Speaker 1: of having tens of millions of people hate me because
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  Speaker 1: I stand for the truth. All Right, The admission there
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  Speaker 1: is that tens of millions of people hate him. If
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  Speaker 1: you hate someone, it's highly unlikely they're going to persuade
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  Speaker 1: you to get a vaccine or a booster. If you
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  Speaker 1: hate someone, they're going to turn you up. That was
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  Speaker 1: the point I was making to it. But what was
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  Speaker 1: a revelation to me? I never really believed until this
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  Speaker 1: weekend that doctor Fauci had TDS. But at the end
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  Speaker 1: of this diaryh entry again. It's the September twenty ninth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one diar entry of doctor Fauci released by
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  Speaker 1: Senator Ran Paul. All of his diaries. The opposition to
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  Speaker 1: me is part of the big lie, Lock her up.
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  Speaker 1: Trump won the election. January sixth, was a friendly visit
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  Speaker 1: to the Capitol the China virus, and Trump was correct.
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  Speaker 1: Fire Fauci since he was wrong all along, and so
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  Speaker 1: let's discredit him and so on. Quite frankly, Tauci continues,
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  Speaker 1: I'm finally coming to the realization that our democracy is
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  Speaker 1: truly threatened, and that it is possible, even likely, that
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  Speaker 1: our democracy will crumble with the twenty twenty four election.
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  Speaker 1: If Trump wins, we are finished. If Trump loses, his
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  Speaker 1: far right lunatics will likely try again to overthrow the election,
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  Speaker 1: and with the attempts to have state legislators republican validate
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  Speaker 1: the electoral votes, I am really afraid that they might
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  Speaker 1: be successful. Having said all of this, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: that I am going to retire before the outbreak is
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  Speaker 1: under control. Okay, that's full blown TDS. It's also an
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  Speaker 1: admission against interest. It tells you he was aware of
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  Speaker 1: exactly what I was trying to make the argument about,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't wish him any ill. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a long hearing with Doctor Paul, because those those
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  Speaker 1: diaries go on and on and on and on and on,
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  Speaker 1: and they're mostly about Tony Fauci on this show and
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  Speaker 1: Tony Fauci on that show. And rarely did he run
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  Speaker 1: into someone like me who would politely ask the obvious
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  Speaker 1: questions about effectiveness. So I don't know how it's going
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  Speaker 1: to go from here. But what do you think, Star
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  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania? I Star, You're on the Uquit show.
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  Speaker 6: Hi.
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  Speaker 7: You hope you're doing well?
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 7: My opinion is I don't think that COVID was handled correctly.
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  Speaker 7: From the ghetto. My entire family did not get fascinated.
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  Speaker 7: We did not get COVID, and yet we watched friends
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  Speaker 7: and other family members that did get vaccinated get COVID
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  Speaker 7: and we lost some of them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, So I'm going to give you my I want
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  Speaker 1: to be clear with the audience that's new to my show.
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  Speaker 1: I did get vaccinated. Anecdotal evidence is evidence of anecdotes.
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  Speaker 1: The overwhelming evidence is that COVID was real, it was dangerous,
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  Speaker 1: and the vaccines were efficacious. I got all my advice
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  Speaker 1: during the entire year and a half to two years
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  Speaker 1: from my older brother Microft, who is the PhD in toxicology.
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  Speaker 1: Who would you give me advice on this? He told
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  Speaker 1: me avoid the Jay and Jay get the pfizer of
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  Speaker 1: the Maderna. And I'm very, very grateful to the people
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  Speaker 1: who developed it. And I know a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: who died, not a lot, a few people who died
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  Speaker 1: from COVID before the virus vaccine was available, So I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to relitigate that. All I'm saying is that
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  Speaker 1: when we have a public health crisis in the future,
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  Speaker 1: we can't let individuals put their egos in front of
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  Speaker 1: science and effective communication. And I think doctor Fauci did that.
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  Speaker 1: I think he did a great disservice to the country
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  Speaker 1: after about six months, and maybe there ought to be
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  Speaker 1: a mandatory retirement age for people upon whom we don't
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  Speaker 1: get to vote, because I think he was too old
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  Speaker 1: to do the job. He fell in love with the coverage.
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  Speaker 7: I agree, I agree absolutely, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Sar, thank you. I want to talk to
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  Speaker 1: Mike in Glendora, California. Hello, Mike, you're on the huu
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  Speaker 1: AT show one eight hundred five two oh one, two
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  Speaker 1: three four. Take a couple more calls before I get
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  Speaker 1: to get back to the other news.
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  Speaker 6: All right, thank you, Hugh. This is Mike, Givin and
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  Speaker 6: Sophia taking their bar zam tomorrow. Listen. I wanted to
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  Speaker 6: get you take okay, So that's so they're going to
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  Speaker 6: be done hopefully.
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  Speaker 1: No pressure anyway, no pressure, You'll do fine. Remember, take
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  Speaker 1: a deep breath. Read all the essay questions first, so
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  Speaker 1: you can think about all of them simultaneously in the
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  Speaker 1: back of your mind.
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  Speaker 6: I'll pass that along. Listen, what are the chances that
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  Speaker 6: doctor Fasci is going to show up and just say
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  Speaker 6: nothing and take the fifth because I think some of
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  Speaker 6: the information in these diaries, although I hadn't really looked
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  Speaker 6: at it too much, from what I've heard, he's going
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  Speaker 6: to take the fifth. He's not going to testify because
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  Speaker 6: it's going to be incriminating, and I don't think that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think I think it's just too incriminated
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  Speaker 6: for him. And I think the VEARS database shows there
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  Speaker 6: was a heck of a lot more death and every
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  Speaker 6: destruction due to the COVID then you know, the vaccines.
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  Speaker 6: Then it has been let on.
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  Speaker 1: If I was his lawyer, so I would advise him
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  Speaker 1: to take the fifth at every question. Yes, okay, pursue
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  Speaker 1: to the Fifth Amendment. I am not going to answer
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  Speaker 1: that because of my right not to incriminate myself. The
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  Speaker 1: public record is now so dense with admissions against interest
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just using the one that I did as
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  Speaker 1: an example. There are lots more. They're years of these entries.
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  Speaker 1: So he goes at harm's way unless he has complete mastery,
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  Speaker 1: and he's older now than I mean, he's five years
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  Speaker 1: older than he was and then he was too old
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  Speaker 1: to be doing it then. So I really hope I
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  Speaker 1: think that the Fifth Yeah, that's what I would advise
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  Speaker 1: him to do.
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  Speaker 6: So five hundred times he's going to take the Fifth
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  Speaker 6: Amendment tomorrow, it's going to be He's not even it
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  Speaker 6: would be ridiculous for him to even show up. In
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  Speaker 6: my humble opinion, well, you got to.
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  Speaker 1: Show up because there's a subpoena and you go to
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  Speaker 1: jail if you don't show up with a subpoena. But
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  Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment is real. It's one of the cornerstones
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  Speaker 1: of American civil liberties. And if I'm his counsel, I
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  Speaker 1: just get used to repeating that, and I would not
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  Speaker 1: be baited into losing my temper. He can't win this argument.
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  Speaker 1: He's arguing with himself. I mean, you heard what I read.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: He's got full blown TDS. What if someone reads him
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: about that, but they read him that quote.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and asies are fully incriminating. It's it is just
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: I think it's we'll hear the fifth tomorrow more than
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: we've ever heard anything else.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I believe you are right, Mike, and good luck to
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: our bar examinees. They won't need it. They took my
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: conlog class. Thank you very much, Mike. I'll be right
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: back in America. Welcome back, America, so please to welcome back
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Ambassador Michael or informer ambassador from Israel to the United States.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Back in the States. On behath of the tech me On.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: You know, doctor Marne, I've heard about tech meon from
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: v Ready Gore and others. I don't think I could
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: have gotten into tech me on. Could you have gotten
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: into tech me On?
• 19:38
  Speaker 8: No way, no way.
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: I'm delighted to represent them. I'm in all of them.
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: Tech me On is in your life. It invented the
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: the USB, the Jiff, the tiff, the browser on your computer,
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: the Intel processor inside your computer. And while that iron dome,
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: Arrow two, arrow three, it's all techno.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: There's MIT, there's MIT West, which is UCI, and now
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: there's MIT in the Middle East. And it TechEd me on.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you're in the States. For them,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Doctor orr. As we speak Prime Minister net and Yah,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: who is winging his way from Israel in the United States,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: if he hasn't already landed. What is the best case
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and worst case for what he brings home from his
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: meetings this week with President Trump.
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: Well, the worst case scenario, let's start with that, would
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: be if President Trump says to him, listen, you know
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: our interests have diverged. We understand that you really care
• 20:30
  Speaker 9: about that ballistic system in the hands of the Iranians.
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: You care about Iranian support for terror, you care about
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: the nuclear.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Program and the.
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: Height the enriched nuclear dust as the President called, And
• 20:41
  Speaker 9: what we really care about is the straight and our.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: Moves and getting oil prices down.
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: And we're going to focus on that, and we're going
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: to pay the Iranians basically off to the two and
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: tens of billions of dollars to get those straits open again,
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: because that's what I need for the midterms. That would
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: be an absolute worst case scenario is not going to happen.
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: That The best case scenario, which I think is far
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: more likely, is that the President will say, we are
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: deep the committed to Israel security, We're deeply committed to
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: this alliance, and we remain committed to the goals we
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: set we set out at the beginning of this operation,
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: which are to end Iran's ability to make a nuclear weapon,
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: to end Iran support for terror, to end Iran's ability
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: to threaten its neighbors with thousands of intercontinental ballistic missiles,
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: to get rid of that highly enriched uranium in the
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: Iranian hands, and yes, to reopen the straight Hermos and
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: top and top of it all.
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: Okay, that's true.
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: I think that would be a very very important statement
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: for the president now. The president is the presidents also
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: said is intimated as support for Nathaneo Politically. In the
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: past he certainly come out in favor of a pardon,
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: a presidential pardon for nathanaw with face corruption charges. But
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: recently he said that Nazano was a great wartime prime minister,
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: which begs the question, Okay, is the war over and
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: Israel STU need a wartime prime minister. I think the
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: vast majority of Israeli's would agree we're still at war.
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: The question is whether that's now is their preferred wartime
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: prime minister. But some statement of that to that effect
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: would probably redound to BB's benefit.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Doctor Uran, not long after ten seven, your regular guest,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: such a couple of years ago and many hundred interviews ago,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: you said one of Israel's objectives after ten seven is
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it has to re establish de terrence. I note the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: dog that hasn't barked in the last two weeks is
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that Iran went way out of their way not to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: shoot at Israel. Has de terrence been restored.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: Certainly Visa vi Iran definitely, and even his bula, his
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: bulla has stopped firing us.
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: And I think that the understanding of the Rians, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: I think it's an accurate understanding that we're single.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: We're a single missile missile to hit.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: Israel and RUnni and missile Israel to respond and respond
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: not in a restrained way or in a calibrated way.
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: The United States has been conducting military strikes over the
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: last several weeks.
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: Israel would go all out.
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: We're talking about basically igniting carg Island, igniting virtually the
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: entire energy producing sector of Iran. And once Israel attacked,
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: I don't think that if the President said, Okay, tonight,
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: you're stopping, I don't not sure that Israel would stop all.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Right now, This morning, Dan Seenoor and our friends who
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: meet Segal and Nada d y'all, we're talking about the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: current situation. And one of them, I think it was
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: in Meat, said if the status quo ho no firing
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: of missiles but the blockade stays in place, the regime
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: will collapse by the end of the year. Do you
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: agree with him?
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: I certainly agree that the best course of action right now,
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: given the constraints, Okay, there are numerous constraints operating on
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: the President and Honors administration, would be to maintain the blockade,
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: maintain a certain amouticum of military pressure, get as many
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: ships through the tankers through the straits as possible.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: But that will certainly put a stranglehold on Iran.
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: The right regime can't pay the salaries of the IRGC,
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: it can't pay the salaries of the besieged thugs, so
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: I can't put a stopper on it. Maybe you meet
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: know something I do don't, but that long term, long term,
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: this is the way to go. And I'm going to
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: go back to an article I wrote for Fox News,
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: what is about four or five months ago already, where
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: I said that the model for this war is not
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: Iraq and Afghanistan. It's the Cold War, and after the
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: initial intense military phase, you moved to a blockade, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: you keep that blockade up for months and months and months,
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: and that'll eventually bring the regime down. So I agree eventually,
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: whether at the end of the year, I hope that meets.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Right now Arachi. They're foreign minister, and I don't know
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: what his influence has said. If this trade isn't open
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: for us, it's not open for anyone. I don't believe
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: that's true anymore. I think they're afraid. Now what do
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you think.
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: They should be afraid. I think they have every reason
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: to be afraid. You know, people were sort of certainly
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: in the liberal mainstream press where we're revelating several weeks
• 24:58
  Speaker 9: or months ago, how the audience had won the war
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: or they won the war. I don't think people say
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: the same thing that right now. I think the Irani
• 25:04
  Speaker 9: regime is deeply divided. I think that they are facing
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: economic crisis. There was even talk this week in that
• 25:10
  Speaker 9: same mainstreat press about the possibility of starvation in Iran.
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: That was not the case several weeks ago. If they're
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: winning the war. Why are we afraid of of their
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: population starving to death? So I think that there is
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: vulnerability here, but the president in the old reagn regunite
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: way has to has to stay the course.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, last question, Ambassador Michael Lauren. Israel has had a
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: three or four month pause. I assume that your defense industry,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: like our defense industries, have been working over time on interceptors.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: What's the scuttle about in Israel about the preparedness for
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: around three if it comes.
• 25:49
  Speaker 9: Prepared prepared and I hope I don't mean to cast
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: aspersions on anybody's industrial loutbook, but we tend to produce
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: interceptors much faster than the United States does. And though
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: part of our intercapits are produced in the United States
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: by agreement, whether it's because our people operating under that
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: type of pressure that if they don't produce those intertaptors.
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: Their families are going to be in danger. It's very
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: very personal.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: So we produce them.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: And according to Israeli estimates, we are in decent shape.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Are you sharing with your Arab friends like the UAE.
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: Yes, we had during the last round, we did share.
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: So if I think it goes to the fact that
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: we are in good shape, because we wouldn't be the
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: physician to share if we didn't have enough.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Well said as always, Ambassador Michael Orran. Follow him on exit.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: D R Michael Uran, good luck to you on your
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: fundraising and support trip for tech meon the whole world
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: depends upon tech meon whether or not people know it.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I learned it by listening to a bunch of Israeli
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: podcasts and the Doctor Oran. Follow them on actual Dr
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Michael Oran. Dr Michael Urran, I'll be right back in America,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: straight tuned to the viewers show Back America. I'm Hugh Hewett,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: joined now by United States Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Senator Cotton, I'm a bit of billion I'm a new
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: grandfather today, so that's a bit of good news. Let
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: me ask you about what I promised the audience. Senator
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Collins is facing a fellow named Troy Jackson. You work
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: pretty closely with Senator Collins on the Intelligence Committee and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: your chairman of the conference, of which she's been a
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: member for a long time. How do you assess that race?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: More importantly, how do you assess Susan Collins?
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: Well, first off, you congratulations to you and the fetching
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: missus Hewett for your latest year grandchild. That's very exciting news. Second,
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: Susan Collins is an count standing Senator for the state
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: of Maine. She works tirelessly. She'saw the hardest working senator.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: In the US Senate.
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: Anytime you sit down with her in a meeting or
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: a Mady hearings, she has papers that are marked up
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: in her own handwriting. She's a great voice for the
• 27:59
  Speaker 10: Pine Tree State. Americans know her for her leadership on
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: national security and biomedical research, and Maynor's lover for that too.
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: But I can tell you just her main issues. Maners
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: shouldn't hope to have a better, better senator. A few
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: years back, when she was hosting one of her lunches
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: that she does each year, when she brings she caters
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: lobster down from the Pine Tree State. It's pretty cracked,
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: so people like me from Arkansas don't have to know
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: how to eat lobster for which so she calls it
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: lazy lobster, which it tastes so good, though I don't
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: take a sense to it. She described how the Biden
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: administration was imposing regulations that threatened to put lobsterman out
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: of business in Maine, and as you know, Hugh, that's
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: a way of life up there, not so much in
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: places like Arkansas or the Rocky Mountain Wes where we
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: have a lot of Republican senators. But she's so she
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: does her homework so well, she's so compelling, so persuasive,
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: that we all banded together to help her beat back
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: this regulation and preserve Main's way of life. So I
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: think she's a great senator. The people, to say the
• 29:03
  Speaker 10: man are very lucky to have her. I encourage everyone
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: listening to go to Susancollins dot com to contribute, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: if you're in Maine, don't just know there to contribute,
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: to sign up and find out how you can help
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: Susan Collins.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Now I wanted to drill down a bit. You're chairman
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of the Intel Committee. It's a select committee, but I'm
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: not really sure how one gets on it or how
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: often it meets the course highly secret, but how does
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: one end up on that? Because she's on there, as
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: is her seat mate hangu Is King, independent from me.
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: That's a choice strictly by the two party leaders. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: for my time in the Senate, it's done. It was
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: done by Sinat McConnell and then last year by Center Thoon.
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: But it's not a committee that's designed just by seniority,
• 29:46
  Speaker 10: as most committees are in the Senate. But as a
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: select committee, it's chosen by the leadership. And that's because
• 29:53
  Speaker 10: obviously it deals with very sensitive matters and I think
• 29:56
  Speaker 10: the leaders of the Senate want to make sure that
• 29:58
  Speaker 10: senators there we're going to handle this matters appropriately, as
• 30:01
  Speaker 10: Susan obviously does. And for that matter, it's a very
• 30:03
  Speaker 10: hard working committee. I mean, we have by far the
• 30:07
  Speaker 10: most meetings and the most hearings of any committee I have.
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: It's just not widely known because it happens behind closed doors.
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: But Susan juggles that along with being the chair of
• 30:16
  Speaker 10: the very important Appropriations Committee and all of her other work.
• 30:20
  Speaker 10: So again, I hope everyone listening will go to Susancollins
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: dot com and find a way to help her in
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: this election against the guy who may not have a
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: Nazi tattoo, Hugh, but he has the same socialist view
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: as that Graham platform did.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Oh he's a journeyman too. They really they were down
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to their last swing at bat, and they had a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: ground ball dribbler easily, fieled. Let me ask you about
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the Appropriations Committee. I know that you cross paths. You're
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: on the Armed Services Committee, and you're responsible to that
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: committee for the National Defense Authorization Act. But then it's
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: got to get funded by the Appropriations Committee. And that
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: includes bat Iron Works where they make the early Burke destroyer.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: They build submarines in Portsmouth, which is in part shared
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: by the main jurisdiction. I assume Centat Collins is a
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: ferocious advocate for the national defense.
• 31:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah, very much so, Hugh. As a member of the
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: Appropriations Committee, she's made sure that the shipbuilding industry as
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: well as all the military facilities and name are well
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: taken care of. She's an advocate for adding a second
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: storyer up there at Math. She's been a passionate advocate
• 31:23
  Speaker 10: for that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: But there's an.
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: Example of how irresponsible the Democrats have become in their
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: opposition to all things Trump, that they're willing to sacrifice
• 31:34
  Speaker 10: in national security. They've blockaded, as you said, the National
• 31:38
  Speaker 10: Defense Authorization Act. That means they've also blockaded the Intelligence
• 31:41
  Speaker 10: Authorization Act, which passes along with the Defensi Village Year.
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: They're blocking Susan's appropriations bills. She's tried to move a
• 31:48
  Speaker 10: defense funding bill already this year, but the Democrats are
• 31:51
  Speaker 10: united and blocking it all. They're blocking the reauthorization of
• 31:55
  Speaker 10: section seven oh two of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Acts,
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: probably our most important tool to collect intelligence not just
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: on Terrace, but on Iran and Russia and China and
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: other adversaries. This is a across the board blockade by
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: Democrats in the Senate. There's appareling their national security. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: that's why every Democratic senator up for reelection should be
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: called on the carpet board.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Now, do you have any idea yet whether Republicans are
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: going to give up and go to a continuing resolution
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: which is bad for the Pentagon, bad for the national defense,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: or use reconciliation to fund defense in the interim.
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: I don't think those are necessarily either, or I think
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: it's probably prudent to pass a continuing resolution that would
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: fund the government into November, so the Democrats don't engage
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: in the kind of reckless shutdown right before the election
• 32:48
  Speaker 10: on October one that they did last fall over the
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: Biden Obamacare COVID bonuses, or in January when they shut
• 32:57
  Speaker 10: down immigration enforcements for several weeks. Also pass funding for
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: the Department of Defense, either through reconciliation or if the
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: Democrats come to their senses and will operate. Because of
• 33:08
  Speaker 10: the urgent need that Secretary exact late that last week
• 33:12
  Speaker 10: through a traditional supplemental funding deal. But it's vitally important
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: that we fund the department sooner rather than later.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: All right, last question, Senator, how do you assess the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: quiet period we are in right now? After thirteen days
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: or strikes in your run, there is no more MoU
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: There are allegedly indirect negotiations going on in a couple
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: of places. Who knows. How do you assess the situation?
• 33:36
  Speaker 10: Well, the President has said that if Iran backs down,
• 33:39
  Speaker 10: then he won't strike back at them, at least along
• 33:42
  Speaker 10: the facilities and weapons that they're using on their southern coast.
• 33:45
  Speaker 10: Try to harash shipping in the straight up removes, and
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: it was clear to me at least that Iran was
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: never going to engage in serious negotiations and better to
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: finish the military operational plan and then just imposed the blockade.
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: The President did and then lift it and is done again.
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: I think that's probably still the best force of action
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: that will make sure that Iran can't militarily threaten the
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: United States or our friends can't build a nuclear weapon
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: for many.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Many years.
• 34:15
  Speaker 10: And also that walled us to the straight up removes
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: and keeps prices of gas and diesel and other products
• 34:22
  Speaker 10: down for America's consumers and businesses.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And I just want to give you the chance to
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: remember Lindsey Graham. I don't think you've been on the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: broadcast and Senator Graham died. His sister Darlene has been
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: endorsed by you to continue on in service at South
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Carolina as the other senator. But you had to have
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: worked very closely with Lindsley for the decade or twelve years.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: You've been in the Senate.
• 34:44
  Speaker 10: All the time, Hugh, all the time, especially on foreign
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: policy and national security. Lindsay was a patriot. He loved
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: our country, he loved anyone who loved our country, and
• 34:51
  Speaker 10: he fought for anyone who would fight for freedom. He
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: was a true character. He went about the job joyfully
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: and cheerfully, and showed everyone that you can take the
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: work seriously without taking yourself for each other too seriously.
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: And he's already deeply missed.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: But I know he's went.
• 35:09
  Speaker 10: To heaven to meet his rewards, and one day we'll
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: probably join him up there and have a good laugh
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: together again.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: He'll be leading the conversation. Senator Tom Cotton, Thank you.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Follow the Senator on exit send Tom Cotton. Scn Tom Cotton,
• 35:24
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• 35:26
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• 35:31
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• 35:35
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  Speaker 1: she's working on a book, The United States of Appalachia.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So you don't want to listen to hour three, Selena,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: because our new Georgia Congressman Clay Fuller represents that part
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: of Georgia where the Appalachia extends to, which is I
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: hope you're going to cover Georgia in your book, are you.
• 36:04
  Speaker 11: I'm heading down to Georgia next this week, this week,
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: and it's Appalachia, Okay, say Appalachia to Appalachia.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Well, Clay Fuller replaced the Marjorie Taylor Green and that
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: was the Appalachia District. And I don't even know what
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: it's like. I didn't. I was unaware until you told
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: me that it went to Georgia, and I didn't know
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the district that ended in. Where are you going in Georgia?
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: All over the place.
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: I'm leaving from the inception in New York and going
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: all the way down to Georgia, following the four hundred
• 36:40
  Speaker 11: and thirty two counties that are part of the government's
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: outline of where Appalachia is now.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Is there a poorest part of Appalachia? Is there like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the stereotypical image from movies?
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean I think ports of Kentucky in West
• 37:02
  Speaker 11: Virginia largely due to their there's no connection to major roads, right.
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: That's in transportation. People forget how much transportation matters when
• 37:14
  Speaker 11: it comes to a community thriving. And if you don't
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: have roads, if you don't have interstates, and if you're
• 37:20
  Speaker 11: or you don't have a rail line, your community suffers
• 37:23
  Speaker 11: because you need to get goods in and goods out
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: towards in and tourist out. That's always been Appalachia's biggest challenge.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting. I think Clay Fuller, the New
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Georgia congressman, I think he got put on transportation, which
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: would make sense to if he's got mountains. So, uh,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you're not driving that, are you?
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: Come, of course I am.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: So what's your mister GPS tell you? Is the time
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: in the car not counting for your long breaks at
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the local watering holes and talking to the newspaper people.
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: Well, you know, I haven't had I don't have the
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: whole thing mapped out.
• 38:04
  Speaker 12: I'm leaving Thursday.
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: I've got to sort of figure out my best route
• 38:09
  Speaker 11: to go. I could do the Great Wagon Trail, which
• 38:13
  Speaker 11: is where most of the people that originally settled in
• 38:17
  Speaker 11: our country in the first thirteen colonies, they went down
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: the mountain the Great Wagon Trail, which left Philadelphia went
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: down into Maryland, West Virginia, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky.
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: So I think I'm going to try to stick to.
• 38:32
  Speaker 11: That original route and then come back up into the
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: seams that I miss.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So you're skipping Ohio again, No, not at all.
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: I'm actually ending in Ohio. A lot of it is
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: a very important part of the Appalachia, and you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: a lot of the migration out of Mississippi came to
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: places like Toledo and Ohio and Detroit to work in
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: the factories and into you know, whether they were making calls,
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: are making steel.
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: That's how you have a great.
• 39:03
  Speaker 11: Inflow flux of the black population up into Ohio and
• 39:08
  Speaker 11: Pennsylvania and Michigan.
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: It's a very important part of the story of the region.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, your book isn't going to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: include Michigan, is it?
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: No?
• 39:19
  Speaker 12: Michigan?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, good, just wanted to check your throwing that that
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: stayed up north the end of the catalog and states
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: don't they don't get a line. When is your dudate?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And when is when's your deadline? And when's your pub date?
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: Deadline is in February next year. Pub date is about
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: a year after that.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, in time for the election. Yeah.
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: But I'm doing it with Brad Todd, just the way
• 39:46
  Speaker 11: we did with a Great Revolt. So it'll be another
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: collaboration and I'm really excited about it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Is there a political angle to this, Selena Zdo, Is
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: they're going to be like, these are the people who've got.
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: A lot please politics and culture.
• 40:00
  Speaker 11: I mean it's very culture oriented in how this culture,
• 40:04
  Speaker 11: the Appalachian culture is now. You know, it used to
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: be like Apivlacchia was peculiar, the people from there were peculiar,
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: and now everyone sort of wants to be part of it.
• 40:15
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 40:15
  Speaker 11: Who's what's the song they sing the most at any
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: kind of sports, big gathering.
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: It's Country Roads. Country Roads is set in Appalachia.
• 40:26
  Speaker 11: You know, the area of our country of people's clothing,
• 40:29
  Speaker 11: people's music, people's search for individualism, and places where they
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: can have more freedoms all are located in that Appalachian region.
• 40:41
  Speaker 12: And what is interesting to me now is.
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: That the places that are considered peculiar are La in
• 40:50
  Speaker 11: New York right there.
• 40:52
  Speaker 12: All of a sudden, they are the peculiar places.
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: And Appalachia is having this long awaited moment of people
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: understanding respecting this culture that really has been Most of
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: our presidents were born in Appalachia. Most of our music,
• 41:11
  Speaker 11: our food, everything just comes from this place.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I got a very dad question, and we're contemporary, so
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: it's not a dad question, it's a frank question. Amy
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Semple McPherson is widely regarded and it's asserted that She
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: was the first woman to drive across the country solo,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and there were safety concerned. How do you take care
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: of yourself when you're traveling alone along these country roads.
• 41:36
  Speaker 11: Well, I would just say that I'm from Pennsylvania and
• 41:41
  Speaker 11: the gun culture is a very important part of Pennsylvania upbringing.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: That's enough, st because we don't want to alert the
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: authorities in New York. All right, we don't want to
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: alert the gun grab in states. But other than New York,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I think you're safe, aren't you.
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they always stay that Pennsylvania doesn't have reciprocity with
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: I think still have to double check that is South Carolina.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Oh well, they wouldn't bother anyway, they'd be up. They
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: look at your sideways if you weren't carrying. But I mean,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: do you have friends, do you stay with families along
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the way? Do you stay in hotels?
• 42:18
  Speaker 11: I usually try to stay at a bed and breakfast,
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: mainly because the people that own those are small business
• 42:24
  Speaker 11: people and they really know where all the bodies are
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: buried in town, right, they have all the golf said.
• 42:28
  Speaker 12: They literally you know, yeah, they do, they do. So
• 42:33
  Speaker 12: that's that's usually my approach.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope we touch you on the road, Selena,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: have a great that's your summer vacation Appalachia driving driving.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: They have a good soundtrack for the road. Stay safe
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and check in Selena, Zito follower on exit and Zito Selena.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I begin with Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired from the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: United States Navy, Senior Fellow at the Foundation for Defensive Democracy. Admiral.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Last time we talked, we were talking about what air
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: campaign against Iran might looked like. We've had thirteen days
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: of it. Is it what you expected, you know, for.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: What they were attempting to achieve then, which was just
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: the pullback from them, you know, trying to reduce the
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: ability of the IRGC to impact flow through the straight
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: or her moved. So these were strikes against maritime targets,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: you know, missile drone launchers, the storage facilities, radars, beaconing
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: devices all in the Strait and on the islands that
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Iron occupies in the Strait. Additionally, they hit bridges that
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: from mobility of things coming into the bonder or bus area.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: I had hoped what the President was talking about a
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: few days ago was an expansion to hit the state
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: owned enterprises.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Owned by the IRGC.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: You know they control a large part of construction, shipbuilding,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: telecommunications in Iran. If we're going to impose our will
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: on the IRGC a faster way than the blockade, which
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: is a way to do it is to actually take
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: away their money making activities.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think it is advisable to keep the blockade
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: in place regardless of how the negotiations go.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean we've got to.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I don't believe Iran deals in good faith in any measure,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: but we'll get a better faith if they're under pressure
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: and the blockade serves to prevent anywhere from twenty to
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: thirty billion dollars a month worth of of of crude
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: and gas sales externally to India and China. So yes,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: absolutely I would keep it in place. I'd remind them
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: they effectively have a blockade on the Southern transit scheme
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: by threatening to strike ships and the ships being unwilling
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: to transit because.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Of that threat.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Now I know that you going back and forth to
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Ukraine a lot. I'm sure you followed as a result
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that Iran threatened Ukraine today because Ukraine intercepted a shipment
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: across the Caspian Sea. Probably if she drons. Who knows
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: what they were sending. Does Ukraine actually have to worry
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: about anything from Iran or are they just going to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: resupply Russia if they're allowed to.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: So I don't think Iran is going to be giving
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: any of its limited shahads, you know, it's you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: it's inventorya shaheads to Russia. They've already given them the
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: plans to build them in Russia's building their own. So
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: I think that's a shallow threat, but it's a reminder
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: to us that Ukraine is fighting four countries Russia, China,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: North Korean, Iran.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: In fact, North Korea maybe.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Getting up thirty thousand more troops to send over.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: To Russia to fight.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: And just like in Iran, with Iran, we're fighting Iran, Russia,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: and China at the same time because Russian and China
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: are assisting Iran. This is a contest between countries aligned,
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: you know, with the global order in the United States
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: and free trade and the access of authoritarians China, Russia,
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: India and North Korea, excuse me, Iran and North Korea.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: And we need to treat that.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: We need to treat these conflicts that way, and the
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Europeans to get off their backsides and stop, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: and support US in Iran like they support Ukraine versus Russia.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Now, Admiral Montgomery I talked to earlier with Ambassador Oran,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and he agreed with me. It appears as though Israel
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: has re established deterrence visa the Iran. They've gone out
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of their way not to hit Israel in this latest
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: round of combat. Do you think that that deterrence is
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: firmly and fully estop. They're afraid of Israel and what
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: they might do if they bring them back into the battle.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: But yes, because it's a it's not a good trade
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: space for them. If you bring Israeli and you get
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty to two hunred and fifty to
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: three hundred strikes a night from Israel and they're firing back.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Was largely unsuccessful. The drones do not make it to Israel.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: It's too long a distance US and then Israeli aircraft
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: shoot them down, just like drones don't normally get to
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Jordan or to western Saudi Arabia because strategic depth is important.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Just like Ukraine shoots down most Shahed drones headed towards
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: Leviv or Kiv because of distance ballistic missiles are not
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: getting through against Israel because Israel has its own arrow
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: David Slang, US THAD and then US standard missiles on
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: board those ships off the coast of Haifa. That's an
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: integrated and layered air defense system that Iran doesn't penetrate easily.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: So it's bad trade space for them to go after
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: to engage Israel on this.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Now, Adam, I've heard some of your colleagues at the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Foundation for Defensive Democracy, primarily Richard Goldberg, they really want
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: to hit Pickaxe Mountain. Is there a world in which
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that's not useful? Or do you think we might have
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: intelligence that tells us it's not really finished or even
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: close to completion.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: So I have to believe you.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I joined rich in thinking there's something in there. Look,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you what it is. I don't get
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: that kind of classification brief. I think there's something in there.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: I think if I know the Air Force targeteers, they're
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: working hard to figure out how some of our weapons
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: systems can do some kind of penetration. Even if we
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: can't do you know, a midnight hammer attack like we
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: did on four Toho on it, maybe we can put
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: a few weapons into the access points in order to
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: make it very uncomfortable to live there, make it impossible
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: to ensure due to structural damage. Even if we can't
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: destroy everything inside it, we can make it much less
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: valuable to their audience.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: So how do you assess President Trump's strategic ambiguity. I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: have no idea what he's going to do. I don't
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: think anybody has any idea what he's going to do,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: which I think is sort of the definition of unpredictability,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: which is useful in international affairs. Should he be more
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: clear to the Iranians or is it clear enough?
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: So there are cases where strategic ambiguity it was a
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: useful policy.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: It might have been a useful one with Taiwan.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Until recently, I think the President's moved from ambiguity right
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: called strategic uncertainty. Like you're not certain from day to
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: day what the president President's strategy is and it does.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Move around a lot.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Look part of his that unpredictability that becomes a strategic uncertainty.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: That unpredictability has a to turn effect. But at some.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Point, you know, back and forth, back and forth, I
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: think it loses its value with the same competitor, like Iran,
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: you know, over like fifteen weeks, like it has, I
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: don't think it has that same effect. I still think
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: it has an effect on China and on Russia when
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: they try to assessor even North Korea, when they try
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: to assess what we would do in a case of
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: South Korea, Taiwan or the Baltics. You know, they don't
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: know which way he'll go. But with Iran, I think
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: it's run its course.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: So wrapping up here, how do you assess the Iranian
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: leadership's view of the battle space and how do you
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: assess Putin's view of the battle space? Because they're both authoritarians.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I think Beahedi's running Iran. I don't care about Arachi
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: or the president. I care about Bahidi, and Putin is Putin,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: He's running everything. How do you think they're viewing both
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: of these conflicts?
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: So I think with Vahidi, I mean I think he
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: thinks he can outlast Trump. That Trump's got elections in November,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: and at some point President Trumble would be more interested
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: in that than he is in in a free and
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: open straighth hor moves. That may be a misjudgment by Bohdi,
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: but I think that's where he says, Putin's in a
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: different position. Putin is suspending reality, taking briefs from jurisim office,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: is general staff commander and believing that there's a way
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: forward in Ukraine, which there is not. He Putin, I
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: promise you, is misleading himself. I'm not sure whether Bahdi
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: is or not.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Now the price of oil dropped to eighty two dollars
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: at Baryl. That tells me that maybe the southern route
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: through the Strait is more robust than I had assumed.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Is that what you think as well?
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that the day to day it's really hard,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: and part of it's how the president speaks about it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: I will say this, I told you since the beginning,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: since April, that I believe in convoy operations. That's what
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: I did in the late nineteen eighties the US Navy did.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to have.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: To have destroyers, like two destroyers a company three VLCC
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: is the very large CREUD carriers, you know, those two
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: million barrels and maybe the big LNG ships and bring
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: them out and bring the empties in.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: Bring them out and bring the empties in.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: And it's risky for the US Navy riskier than sitting back,
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: but it also provides the confidence to the merchant ships
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: that they can go because they got the US Navy
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: one thousand yards away, They've got fighter aircraft overhead, they
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: can see arm pilos patrolling in front of them.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: Then I think you can get a moving back and forth.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: We can get back up to ten to twelve million
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: barrels a day through that Southern Straight transit. When combined
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: with the Saudi and Amordi pipelines, that gets you to
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: pre warflow. So I think it's achievable, but you have
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: to take a little bit of risk, and you have
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: to keep pounding. Anyone who pops up looking like they
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: want to launch needs to get a j dam very fast,
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: a precition gout administion for the United States very fast.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Well, last a question we got less than the annimal.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think that the eighty and his inner circle
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: are persuaded of what happens if they kill any more
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Americans or hitting an American patroship.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Because they fired a balistic missil Jordan clearly aimed at
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: the transient barracks.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: In my mind, that was a pretty direct hit on
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: a transient barracks.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: They are willing to risk killing Americans, and I think
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: that's a big mistake.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Adamial Mark Montgomery from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: He's always good to talk to you. Thank you for
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: the update, Look forward to the next one. Don't go anywhere, America.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back here on the You do a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: show with Philip Wegman of the Wall Street Journal, Welcome
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: back in America. I co Dowitt. Philip Wegman is a
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: regular feature on the panel on Fox News Special Report
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: with Brett Bahar and I've shared the panel with him before,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: so I've met him in the green room before. I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: had a few chats with him, But I did not
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: expect his first Wall Street Journal article that I saw
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to be about Richard Nixon. It's called Young Conservatives have
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: an Unlikely new Icon, Richard Nixon. It's all about Nixon maxing. Philip. Welcome,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: It's good to have you on the program. First of all,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: how do you like the journal?
• 53:46
  Speaker 14: Wall Street Journal is fantastic. I'm surrounded by killers here,
• 53:50
  Speaker 14: just the best in the business. But I've got to
• 53:51
  Speaker 14: say talking with you about President Nixon, a man who
• 53:55
  Speaker 14: you knew, And then also talking about his renaissance, something
• 53:59
  Speaker 14: that you helped kick off with your work at the
• 54:01
  Speaker 14: Nixon Foundation. The irony's not lost on me, because you
• 54:05
  Speaker 14: have forgotten more about the thirty seventh president than I
• 54:08
  Speaker 14: could probably ever hope to learn.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: But the youngs are the ones who did it after
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: I left. So all honored to Jim Byron and everybody
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: else out there, Joe Lopez, Chris rob all the group
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: that have actually made it fun for young people to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: learn about Nixon. How'd you figure out this story? Because
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't tell you anything about it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 14: Well, there had been sort of a lower key rumbling
• 54:35
  Speaker 14: about Nixon. You would see a lot of younger conservatives
• 54:38
  Speaker 14: posting either his speeches or historical fiftieth anniversary events about him.
• 54:46
  Speaker 14: But what I started to notice increasingly was that, yes,
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: while this was organic and there are certainly real Nixon
• 54:53
  Speaker 14: fans out there, it was the Nixon Foundation who was
• 54:56
  Speaker 14: really pushing this guy's legacy. And what I think is
• 54:58
  Speaker 14: interesting about this, What I think is new, is that
• 55:02
  Speaker 14: while the Nixon Foundation released the tapes, so to speak,
• 55:06
  Speaker 14: they weren't acting like a normal presidential library. They were
• 55:09
  Speaker 14: explicitly trying to reach a younger audience millennials and gen
• 55:14
  Speaker 14: z to make arguments about the president's legacy, and they
• 55:18
  Speaker 14: were doing it in an unconventional way. They were making
• 55:21
  Speaker 14: these arguments with memes and hype videos. And I talked
• 55:24
  Speaker 14: to a number of young Republicans who said that this
• 55:27
  Speaker 14: was the gateway drug for them to really re examine
• 55:31
  Speaker 14: the legacy of someone who they had been taught, you
• 55:34
  Speaker 14: know since middle school and high school, is the chief
• 55:37
  Speaker 14: presidential villain of American history.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's common for the library to invite authors out there.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: They Vice President Vance there a few weeks ago. Brett
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Behar is often there when he has a book come out.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: But probably the breakthrough person that byronnett All got out
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: to the library was comfortably Smug Because Smug's got a
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: very young demo in a very irreverent way about him.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: That was just genius on their part to get Smug there.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: And I think they're keeping it up. Did you talk
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: to them about their future plans for twenty twenty seven
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: and beyond, Well.
• 56:10
  Speaker 13: They have so much in the archive.
• 56:13
  Speaker 14: There's so much history that they can repackage and use
• 56:17
  Speaker 14: to reintroduce to a younger audience that it wouldn't be
• 56:20
  Speaker 14: surprised if we continue to see this takeoff. But I'm
• 56:23
  Speaker 14: glad that you mentioned comfortably Smug, because what he did
• 56:27
  Speaker 14: is he sort of brought his irreverence and married that
• 56:30
  Speaker 14: to the historical record. What I think is going on
• 56:34
  Speaker 14: here is for a lot of these younger conservatives, they
• 56:38
  Speaker 14: see Nixon as the ghost in the machine of the
• 56:41
  Speaker 14: Trump administration. They believe that he is confronting the same
• 56:44
  Speaker 14: enemies as Richard Nixon. He has of the same challenges.
• 56:49
  Speaker 14: And you know, one Nixon fan told me that they
• 56:52
  Speaker 14: felt the United States was still stuck in nineteen sixty eight.
• 56:55
  Speaker 13: And so what Smug has.
• 56:57
  Speaker 14: Done, and I think a lot of other Nixon fans have,
• 57:00
  Speaker 14: you know, followed suit, is they've adopted this sort of
• 57:02
  Speaker 14: low stakes irreverence. They've adopted a middle finger to the establishment.
• 57:08
  Speaker 14: No one's gonna chew you out for wearing a Richard
• 57:11
  Speaker 14: Nixon hat, but you know that is going to inspire,
• 57:15
  Speaker 14: you know, reflection into what previously had been a villain.
• 57:19
  Speaker 14: And you know, it was Chris Rufo, for instance, who
• 57:21
  Speaker 14: told me that the importance of Nixon, more than ideology,
• 57:25
  Speaker 14: more than any policy accomplishment, was that by taking back
• 57:31
  Speaker 14: his image Conservatives and Republicans are finally saying that they
• 57:35
  Speaker 14: are no longer going to outsource their heroes to the left,
• 57:39
  Speaker 14: that they're going to write the stories of their own heroes.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: It's a new paradigm for presidential libraries. That's for sure.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: We do want visitors to go to all the presidential libraries,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: but they got to work at it. Not surely going
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: to coax many people into the Obama LISC up there
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: in Chicago. That's very forbidding. It's like entering a castle
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: of doctor Doom. But what I noticed in your article,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: either Jim or Joe or Robert, somebody connected you to
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: Jeff Shepherd. Now, Jeff Shepherd, for those who don't know,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: is the world's greatest authority on Watergate. And when you
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: when you run into Jeff Shepherd, it's like drinking from
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: a fire hose. How did you enjoy that?
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 58:18
  Speaker 14: I was a history major in college, and Jeff Shepherd
• 58:22
  Speaker 14: is not only does he have a fascinating personal history,
• 58:25
  Speaker 14: he was the guy who transcribed a lot of the
• 58:27
  Speaker 14: Nixon tapes. He knows so much of the Watergate history.
• 58:31
  Speaker 14: I mean, talking to him, that'll that'll blow your hair back.
• 58:34
  Speaker 14: But he's critical to this story because when do people
• 58:38
  Speaker 14: start re engaging with Nixon is during the first Trump administration,
• 58:42
  Speaker 14: particularly you know, younger conservatives, That's when.
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: They start re engaging. And what Shepherd has done.
• 58:50
  Speaker 14: Is he has poked holes in the first official narrative.
• 58:53
  Speaker 14: And he's done so not by you know, connecting strange
• 58:57
  Speaker 14: dots or some Atlantish theories. Instead, he has produced a
• 59:00
  Speaker 14: lot of primary source documents that say, wait a minute, you.
• 59:04
  Speaker 13: Know, maybe Dean actually changed his testimony.
• 59:07
  Speaker 14: Wait a minute, maybe something was going on that was
• 59:12
  Speaker 14: uncouth in these meetings between the special prosecutor and the judge.
• 59:16
  Speaker 13: They were meeting ex party out of chambers.
• 59:18
  Speaker 14: And so I think Sheppard, he really has provided the
• 59:21
  Speaker 14: intellectual firepower for a re examination of Watergate.
• 59:26
  Speaker 13: And then, you know, once that hurdle.
• 59:28
  Speaker 14: Is out of the way, then I think Republicans, conservatives,
• 59:32
  Speaker 14: and perhaps the public were at large, they're going to
• 59:34
  Speaker 14: be more charitable when they look at the rest of
• 59:37
  Speaker 14: his legacy and they're going to say, wait a minute.
• 59:39
  Speaker 14: You know, this is the guy who was there for
• 59:40
  Speaker 14: the opening of China, for Title nine, for the moon landings.
• 59:44
  Speaker 14: His scholarship is you know, intense, and here it definitely
• 59:50
  Speaker 14: is uh.
• 59:50
  Speaker 13: You know, it's the practice for a lot of things.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: He will also spend as much time with you as
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you want, talking about anything in particular, whether it's NAPA,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: a PA, Clean Water, Clean Air Act, jet Shepherd will
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: do that so well do I shape? And in fact,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: there's still a lot. Ken Kachigan just wrote a book
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: about Nixon and Reagan behind Closed Doors. A lot of
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: those Nixon youngsters are now oldsters, and they're writing very
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: good books. Philip, how many presidential libraries have you been to?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Do you have a base on which to compare and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: contrast and are you intending a series on them?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 13: Oh? I am the wrong guy to asked this question.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 14: I've done a lot of reading, but I've never actually
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 14: been to a presidential library, unless unless Mount Vernon counts,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 14: But I don't think it does well.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: It's close, it does close, But I would suggest just
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: start a bingo card because I've only been about half
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: of them, and I'm twice your age, and so it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: takes a while to actually chart it. But the Nixon
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Library and your Belinda It's at tendance matters a lot
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: to them. So your article in the Journal did a lot.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I would hope to get people to put it on
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the map for them now if I can. Congrats on
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: the Richard Nixon piece. You talked to Laura Luomer this week.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't see anyone else talk to her. So how
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: did you get her number? That's what I want? How
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: do you find Laura Lumer in Ukraine?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 14: Well, Laura Lumer's phone number is a little bit more
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 14: difficult to get than President Trump's for reporters on Deadline,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 14: but we managed to snag it and speak with her,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 14: and she's been going through a very interesting renaissance lumor.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 14: Previously a right wing bravocateur, I don't think that she
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 14: would reject that label herself, and previously also a disciple
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 14: of Roger Stone, also a Nixon acolyte. She had been
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 14: very critical of the United States support for Ukraine. She
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 14: led the charge for a number of years, and not
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 14: just on the policy front, she was very critical of
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 14: Vielenski himself.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 13: She has since changed tune and she expects the Magabase
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 13: to follow suit.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: It's in his latest article, the Secret Trip that turned
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Laura Lumer from Ukraine's skeptic to support her. Philip Wagman,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I look forward to having you Lon as often as
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: you write one of these. Big story Again from every
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Nixon alum, thanks for throwing a spotlight on the gang
• 1:01:58
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  Speaker 1: Klai Buller joined his brand new congressman from Georgia first
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  Speaker 1: time on The Hugh Hewitt Show. Congressman, welcome, tell us
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  Speaker 1: a little bit where the district is, a little bit
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: about you.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Sir, Hugh, is an honor to be on your show.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: You got me through multiple military deployments, so I really
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: appreciate all those listening hours with you and as an
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: honor to be here. But I represent Georgia's fourteenth Congressional
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: district basically stretches from a smidgy bit of Cobb County
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: down there in the Atlanta suburbs all up into God's Country,
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  Speaker 5: the beautiful Appalachian Mountains up here in northwest Georgia with
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  Speaker 5: the Tennessee and Alabama border up here. So it's a
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  Speaker 5: beautiful part of the world. And got sworn in on
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: April fourteenth of this year, so I'm a couple of
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  Speaker 5: months in and Hugh, you may have noticed I haven't
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: fixed all the problems in DC yet, but I'm working
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: on it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, now that you mentioned Appalachia, our friend
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: Selena Zito is a regular on the program, is writing
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a book, The United States of Appalachia. And she was
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  Speaker 1: the first one and tell me that Georgia actually picks
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: up part of the mountain chain. So you're gonna have
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to be You're gonna have to put up of Selina
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: down in your district. Congress been fuller.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm hoping to link up with her because she
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: needs a couple of chapters on Northwest Georgia and northeast
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: Georgia for sure.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, you got up there, and I think you're on
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: the Transportation Committee, which a lot of people don't know
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: spends a whole bunch of money. Are you happy with
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: that assignment?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: It's a great place in Land. So you know, I
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: came in midstream here having started in April, so you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: I'm a prosecutor by trade. Before coming into this position,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: I was an elected district attorney here in Northwest Georgia,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: prosecuting cases and trying to put horrible people behind bars.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: And I'm a military officer as well. But there are
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: so many transportation needs that Northwest Georgia has. We have
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: major interstates that run through my district here, so we're
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: making sure that I promised the voters I was going
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: to be a warrior for Northwest Georgia and for their needs.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: And that's something that I feel very lucky to be
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: able to do from the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, because
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: there are some really important needs that we need through
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: that committee.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Did you stay in the military. You in the reserve, Congressman.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: Yes, sir, so I'm still International Guard, so I'm in
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: the Georgia Guard. I'm still trying to figure out that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: side of my life. So I have a drilled this weekend.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: But I know there are some other members and obviously
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: the Lindsey Graham. He was an Air Force Jag just
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: like me, and that's one of the things that we're
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: trying to work on. I think an incredible legacy for
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: Senator Graham would be if we were able to name
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: the Air Force's Jag school after him, and so I'm
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: working on that with my house colleagues and my Senate
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: colleagues as well. But I'm still an Air Force Jag
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: and it's a career that's been very near and dear
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: to my heart.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: That would be terrific. Senator Graham would always do. Is
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: is time. I guess two weeks in the summer, he
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: would deploy all over the world. Is that something you're
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: looking forward.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: To, Yes, sir, I'm hoping I can do some of
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: ore deployments, and I think it's the best way to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: get an understanding of what our troops are facing across
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: the world and get an understanding of those national security
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: issues that we face as a country. So I'm going
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: to do everything I can as part of my military
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: career to make sure that I'm going forward.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Have you picked which coccus, if any you want to join,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Clay Fuller, I mean there are lots, They're twenty five
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: thirty of them. Have you figured out if you want
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: to join anym.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: Well, there are some policy issues that are near and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: dear to my heart. So obviously the Second Amendment is one.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: So I've joined the two A caucus. But since coming
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 5: into into Congress, I've been very deliberate about just learning
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: the human train, seeing who's part of which groups, and
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: I'm still going through that process. One thing that I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: want to work on specifically related to Northwest Georgia. We've
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: been impacted by p foss and so it's a forever
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: chemical that's kind of in our water here in Northwest Georgia.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: I'm a cancer survivor and have dealt with environmental issues
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: that cause health concerns in the past. So I'm trying
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: to build a bipartisan coalition and caucus around that issue.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: And that's something that I'm working on both in the
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: House and with my Democrat colleagues in the House too.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: What's the origin of that chemical? Is that jet fuel related?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Is it sort of like the camp Ler journe plume?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: So one of the major employers in my district is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: the carbet and fluorine industry, and one of the things
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: that they did was rely on some chemical manufacturers that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: were out of state to improve their carpet and florine products.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: And so years ago the carbon florine folks were told
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: here that these chemicals and these products were safe, and
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: it ended up getting into our into our water. So
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: my main issue is to make sure that we're cleaning
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: up because every person in North Georgia should have clean waters,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: and they should have clean land, and they should know
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: that they're family safe. And that's that's something that's front
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: of mind each and every day that I'm on Capitol Hill.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Now very practical Western Conor. It's been Clay Fuller. I
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: just got back from Florida. I trandited the Atlanta I
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: wonder do you do you fly in and out of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Atlanta whenever you got to go home and back, because
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the regular place. But that's kind of
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: that's almost as big as getting home from Atlanta Airport
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: to wherever you are.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: Yes, sir, I do have to travel through Atlanta a lot,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: and then it's about a two hour drive. So I've
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: got to get through the Atlanta traffic as well once
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: I leave the airport, so it can be a challenge. Also,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: the Chattanooga airport's pretty close to me, so Senator Bob
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: Corker was able to get a direct flight from Chattanooga
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: to DC. So from time to time when those times
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: line up, I try to hop on a flight. But
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: Delta is an important employeer in our state, and if
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: I can fly on a Delta airline, I'll do that any.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Day of the week.
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  Speaker 1: And I always ask new members. I've been in and
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  Speaker 1: out of the district to Columbia and Capitol Hill since
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  Speaker 1: the early eighties. I still can't figure out which building
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  Speaker 1: is what, or how to get from one to the
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  Speaker 1: other without a guide? How are you doing in that department?
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  Speaker 5: Terribly? I'm doing horribly here. So I actually in the
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  Speaker 5: first week, I got lost after voting, and I was
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  Speaker 5: in the actual Capital complex and I happened upon probably
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  Speaker 5: just a sweet intern who was giving a tour to
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  Speaker 5: a large group. You know, you have the member pen
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  Speaker 5: and interns recognize that. And you could see like she
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  Speaker 5: felt like she had seen a ghost was asking her
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  Speaker 5: a question, Can you just tell me how to get
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  Speaker 5: out of this building. I think everybody in that group
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  Speaker 5: was probably like, this is who we're sending to Congress
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  Speaker 5: and can't even find his way out of the building.
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  Speaker 5: But I was there for just a week.
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  Speaker 1: And I like, plea a lot. You've got great leadership
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  Speaker 1: in leaders Schoolly, Speaker, Johnson and Tom Emmer, But close election,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, is it immediately all hands on deck for
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  Speaker 1: the election in the fall.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely, And that's you know that that work starts right now.
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  Speaker 5: So during the August recess, I'm going to be here
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  Speaker 5: on the ground at Georgia fourteen. As you know, Georgia
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  Speaker 5: fourteen was so critical in the twenty twenty election. We
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: needed to drive more voters out in twenty twenty. That's
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  Speaker 5: why we have two useless Democrat senators here in Georgia.
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  Speaker 5: So when i'm home over the this month in August
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  Speaker 5: coming up, and then in October as well, I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to be doing every thing I can to get Magae
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  Speaker 5: Warrior Mike Collins across the finish line here in george
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  Speaker 5: of fourteen. And then we've got to get Rick Jackson
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  Speaker 5: in the governor's office too.
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly right. Mike Collins can beat John Hassock
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  Speaker 1: with people like Klay Fuller helping him. Congressman, it is
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  Speaker 1: great to make your acquaintance, Sophi A stranger always like
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: having freshmen softpolling around because their eyes are fresh. They
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: say things that a lot of the jaded veterans don't.
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  Speaker 1: But it's really good to have made your acquaintance. Play
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  Speaker 1: Fuller and I look forward to talking in the future
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  Speaker 1: on the view Age show,