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Navigating the Hustle, Finding Success | Danielle Robay x Joy Taylor · Two Personal with Joy Taylor

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Speaker 1: Everybody's big break is made in so many quiet moments
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Speaker 1: that nobody else sees.
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Speaker 2: The fear of being bad at something keeps people from
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Speaker 2: trying anything, and that is a big part of activating dreams.
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Speaker 1: It's the hard work part that I think has been
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Speaker 1: lost a little bit in our generation.
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Speaker 2: And gen Z, you're so nice about how you say things,
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Speaker 2: nobody wants to work anymore. Hey, guys, welcome to Personal.
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Speaker 2: I'm Joy Taylor. Thanks so much for joining us. If
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Speaker 2: you haven't already, make sure you subscribe, follow some social
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Speaker 2: media at too Personal Show. Hope you had an amazing
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Speaker 2: labor day weekends and enjoyed yourself with your family and friends.
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Speaker 2: Got a little barbecue in. I'm so excited for today's
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Speaker 2: guests on the show. Danielle robe She is an incredible journalist,
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Speaker 2: a real journalist, and a podcast host. She hosts the
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Speaker 2: podcast Question Everything, and she also has a really fun
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Speaker 2: card game by the same name. She has an incredible story,
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Speaker 2: very inspiring for young people who are trying to get
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Speaker 2: into the entertainments and broadcasting business. Can't wait to talk
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Speaker 2: to Danielle Roba. All Right, I am so excited we
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Speaker 2: have a real journalist in the house guys and esteems journalists.
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Speaker 2: She hosts the podcast Question Everything and Bookmarks by Reese's
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Speaker 2: book Club. Daniel Robe, Welcome to to Personal. I'm so
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Speaker 2: happy to be here. It's so exciting to have you here.
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Speaker 2: You are also a real journalist. No, I'm not. I
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Speaker 2: will not take on that monitra. We'll get to that.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to what I need as a journalist. Make
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Speaker 2: sure you follow Danielle on her Instagram and you can
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Speaker 2: catch your podcast Question Everything on YouTube and all the
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Speaker 2: podcast platforms and we'll get to that in a second.
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Speaker 2: But you can also purchase her card game Question Everything
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Speaker 2: at Question everythingshop dot com. No, Danielle, I am not
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Speaker 2: a journalist. I've seen as a journalist. I have a
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Speaker 2: broadcast journalism degree. You report on sports news all the time.
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Speaker 2: I discuss my thought on sports doution. Here's why I
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Speaker 2: would say I'm not a journalist and why you are,
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Speaker 2: because this is one of the questions that I wanted
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Speaker 2: to ask you. I don't think I'm a journal Well,
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Speaker 2: I know I'm not a journal I'm not practicing because
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Speaker 2: it's like having a loat degree but not being a lawyer, right,
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Speaker 2: like you know the law but you don't actually practice.
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Speaker 2: For me, I think journalism is very important. I think
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Speaker 2: it is a job that is similar to being a
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Speaker 2: doctor or a lawyer, or a teacher, or even maybe
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Speaker 2: something like a money manager or something like. There's a
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Speaker 2: certain code that you should practice as a journalist where
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Speaker 2: you're not the story and people can trust you, not
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Speaker 2: necessarily as a person, but they can trust your work.
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Speaker 2: And because I'm not a reporter, and because what I
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Speaker 2: say is littered and piled on with biases and you know, jokes,
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Speaker 2: and you know it's I'm an opinionist, and I think
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Speaker 2: there's a there should be an understood, stark difference between
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Speaker 2: the two, which is why I call you a journalist
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Speaker 2: and why I'm trained but not practicing. I think that's fair.
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Speaker 1: I also feel like I sort of walk the line.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call myself an opinionist stuff like by any means,
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Speaker 1: but I think I'm like a bridge. I do insert
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Speaker 1: myself a little bit.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you do, so, as how do you feel that
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Speaker 2: you insert yourself into conversations?
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Speaker 1: Well, when I did news, I never did, because like
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Speaker 1: you know that, like we're trained not to. But when
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Speaker 1: I started my podcast, question everything, I never inserted myself,
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Speaker 1: and everybody who listened was like, uh, hello, what about you,
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Speaker 1: Like we're coming to hear what you have to say.
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Speaker 2: And I was super uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: And I think I've found this like middle of the
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Speaker 1: road spot that I am comfortable with, which is like,
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Speaker 1: it's not cold, I am a little bit vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: I'll share if it helps warm the guest up.
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Speaker 1: But I'm really there to shine a light on them,
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Speaker 1: like the spotlight is fully on them.
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Speaker 2: I'm just the bridge to that. So vulnerability is a
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Speaker 2: big part of being successful at what you do. If
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Speaker 2: you are bringing vulnerability out of other people.
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Speaker 1: I mean, like.
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Speaker 2: Anyone who's watched the show or knows me at all
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Speaker 2: knows vulnerability is not my thing, which is ironic because
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Speaker 2: I'm hosting a show called Too Personal. So in some
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Speaker 2: ways this is a therapy practice for me because I
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Speaker 2: am not a nat well I would say that I
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Speaker 2: am actually naturally vulnerable person, but I've been taught by
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Speaker 2: the universe over and over and over and over and
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Speaker 2: over and over and over and over and over again
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Speaker 2: that vulnerability is actually not beneficial to me. But how
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Speaker 2: do you how do you know when you have reached
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Speaker 2: a point of vulnerability with someone. I love this question.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever been at like a group dinner and
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Speaker 1: and the conversation is just kind of like tell me
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Speaker 1: about work, what's happening with your kids, so on and
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Speaker 1: so forth, And then somebody asks a question and you
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Speaker 1: can like feel the room change, like either it's because
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Speaker 1: somebody has welled up with tears or they've taken like
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Speaker 1: this pregnant pause, Like you can just feel it.
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Speaker 2: That's how it is, Like, don't you feel it?
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Speaker 1: In every interview you do, there's like this moment where
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like, oh, we just connected.
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Speaker 2: I think it's it's not necessarily my goal to get
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Speaker 2: people to be vulnerable, but I love having deep conversations,
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Speaker 2: Like I think conversation is the thing that connects me
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Speaker 2: with people the most. And I always try to meet
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Speaker 2: whoever it is i'm talking to where they are, So
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Speaker 2: it's not always that it's like a vulnerable moment, but
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Speaker 2: the connection part I do I do feel.
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Speaker 1: There's also I just saw a clip of you, I
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Speaker 1: would say, maybe a month ago, where you were talking
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Speaker 1: about domestic violence, and I don't know how you sit
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Speaker 1: here and tell me that you're not vulnerable after posting
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Speaker 1: that clip, like I think you had everybody I watched
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Speaker 1: it three times, like you had everybody feeling you. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you're more vulnerable than you think.
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Speaker 2: Well, I guess maybe I'm like choosy about the things
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Speaker 2: I'm vulnerable about, which I guess we all are, like
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Speaker 2: some unless you're just telling your whole everything, we're all
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Speaker 2: kind of choosing what we're vulnerable about in the public space.
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Speaker 2: But I felt an obligation to be vulnerable about that,
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Speaker 2: and I think I've talked about it so much that
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Speaker 2: maybe you're right, Like, I don't think of it as
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Speaker 2: being vulnerable anymore. I just think of it as a
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Speaker 2: part of my story, but in this space. And it's
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Speaker 2: interesting that you say that you sometimes are vulnerable. It
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Speaker 2: always comes with the cost, Yeah, it does. So it's
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Speaker 2: it is risky to share are things about yourself, and
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Speaker 2: it's not necessarily that it's like you have to care
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Speaker 2: about what people think about you. That is something, But
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Speaker 2: it's like you're you're revealing a part of your private
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Speaker 2: self to the world, and in some ways you know
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Speaker 2: you can't. You can't put that back if it's the truth.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, so I'm a word nerd, and the Latin root
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Speaker 1: of influencer is influ are and it means to flow.
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Speaker 1: And so are you an Oprah fan at all? DoD first,
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Speaker 1: so I love especially her books from years ago. She
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Speaker 1: always talks about flow state and she says to be
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Speaker 1: in a state of flow is when your personality and
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Speaker 1: your purpose are aligned. So if influ air means to
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Speaker 1: flow to me, somebody with the most influence has their
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Speaker 1: personality and their purpose aligned. And when I think about
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Speaker 1: all the people on the internet that are doing it
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Speaker 1: the best, they're not showing everything about their life, but
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Speaker 1: what they are showing up with is aligned.
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Speaker 2: Like, I think that's why people love the Rock.
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Speaker 1: He shows almost if you look, you think you know
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Speaker 1: him so well, but he shows almost none of his
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Speaker 1: life online, but what he shows up with is so
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Speaker 1: the Rock.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel like you're in a flow state?
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Speaker 2: I think I just reached it. Congrats, thank you.
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Speaker 1: There's always probably like more steps to climb, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: it took me a really long time.
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Speaker 2: And what made you feel like you've reached that state?
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Speaker 1: So I used to prepare for everything I did with
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Speaker 1: like not just hours of research and preparation, but notes, Like,
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Speaker 1: had I met you five years ago, I would have
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Speaker 1: showed up here with like tons of notes, and before
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Speaker 1: like we started filming, I would have been looking through
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Speaker 1: all my notes and I like, through all of that
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Speaker 1: out the window a year ago. But I actually attribute
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Speaker 1: it to I think like I interviewed a child psychologist
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Speaker 1: and she said competence equals confidence, yep, and so like
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Speaker 1: I wanted to throw those notes away for years, but
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Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. And I think after thirteen years
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Speaker 1: of having professional conversations, I finally was like, I feel competent, right,
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Speaker 1: So I think like my confidence came from just doing
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Speaker 1: it and like doing it poorly and showing up when
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Speaker 1: it was really scary.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say that because when people ask
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Speaker 2: me if I get nervous for anything, I always say,
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Speaker 2: I'm only nervous if I'm not prepared, right, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I can do a lot of things. But if you
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Speaker 2: if you throw me in something that I'm not prepared for,
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Speaker 2: of course we're we're nervous because I'm going to fuck up,
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Speaker 2: Like there's no other way around it. I'm not prepared
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Speaker 2: for it. It doesn't I mean a preparer in general, I am,
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Speaker 2: but I am like you also, like I don't. I
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Speaker 2: think when you're when you're on our side of the
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Speaker 2: business and you do what we do, you have to
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Speaker 2: be somewhat prepared. But I don't like to over prepare
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Speaker 2: because then it kind of it loses its you know,
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Speaker 2: it loses its flow. So you know, you have to
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Speaker 2: have some structure to everything and have an idea of
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Speaker 2: where you want things to go. But yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 2: Tierra does an amazing job of giving me a bunch
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Speaker 2: of notes and I appreciate them, and we'll keep doing that.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I have them more here, you know,
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Speaker 2: just in case things don't go as as smoothly as
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Speaker 2: as they usually do. But yeah, I feel you like once,
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Speaker 2: So do you feel like you got rid of your
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Speaker 2: imposter syndrome? Yes? Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: I used to have it so bad, so bad. But
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Speaker 1: I do think that that, like I had to show
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Speaker 1: up and be bad. I used to have a real
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Speaker 1: fear of public speaking. And you're looking at me like,
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Speaker 1: how is that possible?
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Speaker 2: No, No, I think I think you have it. I
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Speaker 2: think No, I don't. I don't have it. You know,
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Speaker 2: it's like one of the number one fears, Yeah, which
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Speaker 2: I do think, oh my gods, there's some more to
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Speaker 2: be afraid of. Agreed, but like I do get it
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Speaker 2: because if again, if you're not prepared or you feel unprepared,
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Speaker 2: then it feels like the worst feeling in the world.
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Speaker 2: Everyone's looking at you, everyone's judging you. You don't know
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Speaker 2: what to say. But in our business, you really can't
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Speaker 2: have a fear of public speaking. Now you can aye,
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Speaker 2: it's not a good business to be in. There are other.
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Speaker 1: Jobs, and so I could do I could be fine
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Speaker 1: in front of a camera. I was finding a conversation
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Speaker 1: on a stage. I wanted to crawl inside of my
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Speaker 1: own skin. And so I read a book called The
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Speaker 1: Talent Code by Daniel Coyle, and he talks about like
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Speaker 1: how to practice and how to practice with intention, and
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Speaker 1: he says it much better than I can. It's like
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Speaker 1: a really small book, so if you're interested, go read it.
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Speaker 1: But I said yes to every public speaking event for
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Speaker 1: five years for free because I didn't feel like I
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Speaker 1: could charge anybody because I was bad and I wanted
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Speaker 1: to practice.
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Speaker 2: Are you bad? You thought you were bad? I think
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Speaker 2: I was bad. Did other people tell you were bad?
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Speaker 2: You were getting you were getting asked to speak publicly
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Speaker 2: for five years. You couldn't have been that bad.
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Speaker 1: I think when you're like doing like local news or
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Speaker 1: entertainment news, like people just ask you to speak at things,
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Speaker 1: and I would shake like I was not good, And
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Speaker 1: now I could like sit here and be like, I
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Speaker 1: think I'm a good public speaker.
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Speaker 2: You're a great bulk speaker. We all just saw you
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Speaker 2: speak to thousands of people like a few weeks ago.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. But it took me being bad for a
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Speaker 2: really long time. Well that's the process of things. Though,
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Speaker 2: I don't think that that makes you bad at it,
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Speaker 2: because you're great at it now. I think that the
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Speaker 2: fear of being bad at something keeps people from trying
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Speaker 2: anything for sure. And that's so real. That is a
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Speaker 2: big part of activating dreams. It's like you think you
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Speaker 2: want to do something, or you want to do something.
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Speaker 2: You tell yourself you want to do something. You know
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Speaker 2: you have the talent or potential to do it, but
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Speaker 2: you are afraid that you're going to be bad at it.
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Speaker 2: And the reality is you are going to be bad
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Speaker 2: at it because you've never tried to do it. Like
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Speaker 2: you have to develop any kind of skill and talent.
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Speaker 2: What is the the tebow. Let me not. I think
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Speaker 2: it's a Tepo quote. If it's not a Tebo quote,
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Speaker 2: everyone's going to crush me. Sorry, guys, I don't have
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Speaker 2: Google in front of me. But it's like hard work
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Speaker 2: beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. Oh yeah, don't
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Speaker 2: crush me if it's not t Bo. I know Tibo
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Speaker 2: has said this. Maybe someone said up before it. It's
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Speaker 2: one of a Saper records. Okay, somebody else said it.
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Speaker 2: I heard it from Tibou. Whoever else said it, let
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Speaker 2: me know. Probably it actually holds a lot of wisdom.
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Speaker 2: He's a great speaker, great speaker. Tim milk Key, note key,
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Speaker 2: Tim Notekey, Sorry, Tim Notekey. It wasn't Tebo, but Tebo
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Speaker 2: quoted it really well. Hard work beats talent when talent
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Speaker 2: doesn't work hard. So if you which isn't entirely true,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, the point of it is like you have
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Speaker 2: to develop your talent and you've got to be willing
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Speaker 2: not be great at something to then be great at it.
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Speaker 2: So I'm sure you get this.
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Speaker 1: But I get a lot of LinkedIn Instagram email messages
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Speaker 1: from both men and women saying I want to be
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Speaker 1: a host or I want to have a podcast, Can
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Speaker 1: I have fifteen minutes or whatever it is. And part
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Speaker 1: of my career and life and value is connection and
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Speaker 1: so I try and do as much of that as
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Speaker 1: I can. And I have to say, like, it's probably
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Speaker 1: one out of ten people that.
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Speaker 2: Actually want to do the thing.
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Speaker 1: Really, what people are calling and wanting to do is
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Speaker 1: to just like have a number one podcast overnight or
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Speaker 1: be an influencer, have a following.
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Speaker 2: But like.
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Speaker 1: I woke up at two forty five in the morning
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Speaker 1: for years to do a morning show, to learn how
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Speaker 1: to host live. I don't have to tell you you've
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Speaker 1: done all those things. And it's it's the it's the
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Speaker 1: hard work part that I think has been lost a
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Speaker 1: little bit in our generation.
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Speaker 2: And gen Z, you're so nice about how you say things.
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Speaker 2: Nobody wants to work anymore. I'll say it, nobody wants
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Speaker 2: to do the work. I think Kim Kardashian said it
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Speaker 2: before you. Yeah, that went over really well. But it's
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Speaker 2: true though, like and and the internet will yell at
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Speaker 2: me too and say that I didn't work hard, which
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Speaker 2: is fine, but you have to put the work behind it,
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Speaker 2: like you getting up at two o'clock in the morning
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Speaker 2: when I was getting up at three forty in the morning. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: every day for so few years, your life revolves around sleep. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: everything in your life is about how much sleep you
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Speaker 2: get for undisputed I remember I would tell people, like
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Speaker 2: when they would ask about doing the show, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, I get up three forty in
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Speaker 2: the morning. Actually there's three twenty three twenty in the morning. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: it's even myself in actra twenty minutes three twenty in
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Speaker 2: the morning. And they'd be like, wow, Like I can't
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Speaker 2: believe you do that. I'm like, what what else would
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Speaker 2: I do? Like I'm on a network television show with
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Speaker 2: Skip Bayls and shann Sharp. Of course you geting up
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Speaker 2: at three twenty in the morning. Yeah, I would get
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Speaker 2: up a two forty five in the morning if that's
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Speaker 2: what I needed to do. Like, this is what you do? Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and that's at Pittsburgh in you though it's maybe the
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Speaker 2: Chicago and you I think it's just no. I just
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Speaker 2: think that you when you want something, you have to
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Speaker 2: work for it. And in this world where things do
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Speaker 2: happen with virality overnight, you can get thrust into fame
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Speaker 2: and in some cases also fortune, but the longevity of
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Speaker 2: it still requires you to do work. It's why like
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Speaker 2: the influencers like Critique to go, like you just post
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Speaker 2: videos like they're making those videos as someone who like
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Speaker 2: makes their own content like that, it's taking time out
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Speaker 2: of your day. They are being creative. That doesn't mean
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Speaker 2: they can do every single job, but you're still making
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Speaker 2: things and consistently, and if they stop doing it, they'll
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Speaker 2: stop getting paid. So like a lot of them, work hard. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: everything that you do requires the work and it requires
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Speaker 2: you to get better.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you just have to decide what you're
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Speaker 1: willing to work for.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And that's the advice that I give
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Speaker 2: a lot of young people is like you don't necessarily
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Speaker 2: have to know exactly what your final destination in the
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Speaker 2: business will be, But if you don't have a really
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Speaker 2: clear idea of what your dream situation is and how
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Speaker 2: to align for that, you'll be all over the place. Like,
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Speaker 2: if you know you want to be an entertainment reporter,
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Speaker 2: you should be doing things that will eventually lead you
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Speaker 2: to that place. You shouldn't be taking this job or
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Speaker 2: that job, or get why do you have a mentor
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Speaker 2: in sports? It doesn't mean you can't have relationships and
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Speaker 2: you know everything matters, but you should be looking for
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Speaker 2: mentors in that space. You should be attending that are
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Speaker 2: in that space. You should be aligning everything that you're
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Speaker 2: doing with what you're what you're trying to accomplish.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you know that you wanted to do this?
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Speaker 2: I knew in college that I wanted to do this,
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Speaker 2: And I don't know what you're I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: age myself, but I started in radio because I knew
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do opinion. But it just it just
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Speaker 2: really helped me to know what exactly what I wanted
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Speaker 2: to do, even if it was mostly me visualizing it
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Speaker 2: because it was really only Jamel Hill in the space. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but it's just it's been the biggest part of my
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Speaker 2: success in my career is knowing the job that I
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Speaker 2: wanted or the career space that I wanted to be in,
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Speaker 2: because it kept me from making just derailing into other opportunities.
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Speaker 2: Because you get offered opportunities all the time, as I'm
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Speaker 2: sure you do, that could have taken you off your path. Well,
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Speaker 2: you never had an opportunity that was that came to
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Speaker 2: you and you were like this is a great opportunity,
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Speaker 2: but it's not the right opportunity for me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: And then you had to think about why you were
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Speaker 2: going to say no to that.
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Speaker 1: I said yes to almost everything when I was coming
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Speaker 1: up because I felt like I had to get if
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Speaker 1: I could get paid, to get my reps in. I
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Speaker 1: was in right, But did you know exactly what you
19:22
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I don't think what I wanted to
19:26
Speaker 1: do existed when I was coming up.
19:29
Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean, like I said, I had to
19:31
Speaker 2: convince people that I could do it because there's just
19:33
Speaker 2: not there are no women in the space that's interesting,
19:38
Speaker 2: and now there's like, yeah, I mean we've done a
19:40
Speaker 2: lot of work. It could be more. Yeah, there could
19:43
Speaker 2: be more. There could definitely be more. There could be
19:45
Speaker 2: more women executives too. So were you was there a
19:49
Speaker 2: point in your career where you were nervous because it
19:51
Speaker 2: didn't exist and it was it was not aligning the
19:53
Speaker 2: way that you were hoping for it too? For sure.
19:57
Speaker 1: I moved to LA from Chicago and I wanted to
20:00
Speaker 1: be on E so badly. That was my dream, and
20:04
Speaker 1: I had been I'd probably gone in for eight different
20:09
Speaker 1: meetings with all different parts of the company at E
20:13
Speaker 1: and it never worked out. And right before COVID, they
20:20
Speaker 1: flew me to New York for an audition and I
20:22
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is it. I'm finally ready, Like
20:25
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm not green anymore. And it was like
20:29
Speaker 1: me and I think two other people up for the job.
20:33
Speaker 1: And I did the audition and it just kind of
20:36
Speaker 1: like didn't feel right. And I got back to the
20:40
Speaker 1: hotel and my agent called me and he was like,
20:42
Speaker 1: they're not going with you, and I kind of knew
20:45
Speaker 1: that already, but hearing him say it, like I went
20:48
Speaker 1: I fell out into the bed and I was like
20:50
Speaker 1: crying because I felt like that no meant that everything
20:55
Speaker 1: was over. It wasn't just no for that job. It
20:57
Speaker 1: was like what was all of this for? I felt
21:00
Speaker 1: like I had hit.
21:00
Speaker 2: A dead end.
21:02
Speaker 1: And I was dating somebody in New York at the time,
21:06
Speaker 1: and it was kind of new and it was too
21:09
Speaker 1: new for me to be like crying on a bed,
21:12
Speaker 1: Like I was like embarrassed. And he came into the
21:15
Speaker 1: hotel room and he was like, you can be sad
21:19
Speaker 1: for like a day, maybe even two days, but like
21:22
Speaker 1: figure out how you're going to hire yourself, and I
21:25
Speaker 1: was like.
21:26
Speaker 2: You don't get it, and what I do?
21:28
Speaker 1: You don't hire yourself, Like that's just not how it goes.
21:31
Speaker 1: You need to wait for the Today Show to hire
21:33
Speaker 1: you or the View to hire you, Like that's just
21:35
Speaker 1: not That's not what I signed up for. And he
21:39
Speaker 1: was like, who do you admire on the Today Show?
21:42
Speaker 1: And I gave him some names and I was like,
21:44
Speaker 1: I think Craig Melvin's amazing and I think Hoda is amazing.
21:47
Speaker 2: And he was like.
21:50
Speaker 1: Are they employees? And I was like yeah. He was
21:53
Speaker 1: like so they could be fired tomorrow and then what
21:57
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, and he was like, go
22:02
Speaker 1: make your own stuff, like figure it out. And I
22:07
Speaker 1: cried a little bit more felt bad for myself. And
22:11
Speaker 1: about a month and a half later, COVID hit and
22:15
Speaker 1: I had his voice in my head, and I had
22:17
Speaker 1: Larry King's voice in my head, who was a mentor
22:20
Speaker 1: of mine, and he would always be like, you need
22:21
Speaker 1: your own show, kid, and it's a great Larry, it was,
22:27
Speaker 1: And I'd always be like, Larry, they're not really handing
22:29
Speaker 1: out shows the way they used to. Like he was
22:32
Speaker 1: on the radio and some guy at CNN called him
22:34
Speaker 1: and was like, Hey, Larry, you want to do a show?
22:36
Speaker 1: And like a week later his name was in lights
22:38
Speaker 1: and he had the biggest interview show in the world,
22:40
Speaker 1: you know. And it's just it doesn't work like that anymore.
22:43
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm going to make my own show.
22:46
Speaker 1: Like there's podcasting now, right, So I did a podcast
22:50
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. I don't want to
22:52
Speaker 1: bore you with the long story, but basically I launched
22:55
Speaker 1: the podcast and it's it's it's not like a big hit,
22:58
Speaker 1: but it's doing okay at the time.
23:00
Speaker 2: And I get a call.
23:01
Speaker 1: I'm still sort of unemployed and I get a call
23:04
Speaker 1: and it had been about two years and this woman
23:08
Speaker 1: calls me and she's like, Hey, this is SO and
23:11
Speaker 1: SO from E. Tammy wants to know if you can
23:14
Speaker 1: come in and do a pilot next week. And I
23:18
Speaker 1: was like what and she was like yeah, Tammy. And
23:21
Speaker 1: I was like, as like an audition and she goes, no,
23:24
Speaker 1: We've auditioned like forty people and we want you to
23:26
Speaker 1: do the show. And so I go in and I
23:29
Speaker 1: was like, I couldn't even believe. I couldn't even believe
23:32
Speaker 1: it was real. And I went into her office and
23:34
Speaker 1: I was like, Tammy, why'd you hire me? And she
23:37
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I love your podcast, And that to
23:40
Speaker 1: me was like I still get chills when I say
23:44
Speaker 1: that line because it is the biggest confirmation that you
23:47
Speaker 1: cannot wait for somebody to hand you anything, Like if
23:51
Speaker 1: you want it, you have to go create it, and
23:54
Speaker 1: you have to make people see you the way you
23:55
Speaker 1: see yourself because there's no other way.
23:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an amazing story though, it's really yeah inspirings
24:03
Speaker 2: here because it's like you took a big risk with that,
24:06
Speaker 2: and I put my whole life savings into it. Yeah,
24:09
Speaker 2: but well, better on yourself is something that people say
24:11
Speaker 2: a lot, but I think, especially in our business, we
24:15
Speaker 2: kind of don't really always know what it means. Yeah,
24:18
Speaker 2: And I mean to your point with with Larry, I'm
24:21
Speaker 2: on a first name basis you that's not how the
24:27
Speaker 2: business works necessarily so anymore anyway, So yeah, you kind
24:33
Speaker 2: of do have to make your own thing and improve yourself.
24:37
Speaker 2: But sure, there's a million different ways to get to success.
24:41
Speaker 2: It just can be really scary, especially when you're talking
24:43
Speaker 2: about money, like you know, you're talking about you put
24:45
Speaker 2: your whole life savings in it, like you invested in
24:47
Speaker 2: yourself and it could have not worked, but you were
24:50
Speaker 2: focused and that's why it did work. And I'm a
24:52
Speaker 2: big believer in energy, Like I think, I just believe
24:55
Speaker 2: like wherever you put your energy is what comes back
24:58
Speaker 2: to you, especially in business this and especially with something
25:02
Speaker 2: that you are very intentional about wanting to achieve. And
25:06
Speaker 2: we always like, that's not even about shortcuts. We just
25:09
Speaker 2: like things to be easier because duh, Like who doesn't
25:11
Speaker 2: want things to be easier? For sure, But it's just
25:14
Speaker 2: like these type of things, especially when it's something that
25:17
Speaker 2: you'll be living in your purpose, just they take you
25:20
Speaker 2: investing in yourself in whatever way that is, yeah, building
25:23
Speaker 2: it so it's a space that you thrive in.
25:26
Speaker 1: And I've interviewed a bunch of entrepreneurs who don't believe
25:30
Speaker 1: in the word failure. I interviewed this guy on kour Jane,
25:34
Speaker 1: whose business I think was valuated at like two point
25:38
Speaker 1: one billion dollars recently, and he was like, nothing I've
25:41
Speaker 1: done is a failure because it's a pivot into the
25:43
Speaker 1: next thing. Sure, maybe that company didn't work out, but
25:46
Speaker 1: all of the people I met carried over into my
25:48
Speaker 1: next business and like made it viable, and so I
25:51
Speaker 1: kind of think of life as like one big pivot
25:54
Speaker 1: after another.
25:55
Speaker 2: It's never really a failure. Who was I was just
25:58
Speaker 2: talking to this I was just talking to a friend
26:02
Speaker 2: about failure, and I was like, you can't look. Oh
26:06
Speaker 2: my god, I need to like start taking medication or something.
26:08
Speaker 2: My brain is so fried. I would, That's what it was.
26:12
Speaker 2: I was like, you can't look at things as a failure. Like,
26:14
Speaker 2: it's not a failure, it's an experience. You learn from it,
26:18
Speaker 2: you grew from it. You know one hundred percent more
26:21
Speaker 2: about this particular thing than you did before because you
26:23
Speaker 2: had never done it before. So maybe you'll never be
26:26
Speaker 2: in the space again because it wasn't for you. But
26:28
Speaker 2: now you A, no, the space is not for you
26:31
Speaker 2: if you don't go back to it, and B you
26:33
Speaker 2: have a whole different outlook on how this particular thing works.
26:36
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would. I was going to ask you
26:38
Speaker 2: what the common thing was for the successful people that
26:41
Speaker 2: you have spoken to, because to me, they tell me
26:45
Speaker 2: what yours is. Mine would be consistency, which kind of
26:50
Speaker 2: falls like in the same line as not having failures,
26:52
Speaker 2: but like you are, which you consistently do like someone
26:55
Speaker 2: like a Lebron or Beyonce. Yeah, is outside of obviously
26:59
Speaker 2: they're believable talents, which is, you know, god given and like,
27:03
Speaker 2: you know, there's only one to Beyonce say, there's only
27:04
Speaker 2: one Bron, But all greats have something in common. In Oprah, Larry,
27:12
Speaker 2: I'm sure they are consistent in what they do, meaning
27:17
Speaker 2: they have very strict routines. They are very disciplined. They
27:21
Speaker 2: minimize the extra decisions that they have to make, you know,
27:24
Speaker 2: seve jobs, wearing the same outfit every day, whatever, like
27:27
Speaker 2: parking in the same parking spot. Like those tiny things
27:31
Speaker 2: build up into being prepared for the bigger moment, like
27:36
Speaker 2: taking care of your body if you're an athlete, putting
27:39
Speaker 2: the right things in your body. Yes, Okay, I don't
27:41
Speaker 2: feel like stretching right now because I'm tired. If you
27:43
Speaker 2: don't stretch, you're gonna pull something tomorrow. So let's just
27:45
Speaker 2: do the stretch, like convincing yourself to be repetitive. Yeah,
27:48
Speaker 2: and then you're prepared for the moment. I totally agree.
27:53
Speaker 1: I love that you said that because there's this clip
27:56
Speaker 1: that goes around the internet of Trevor Noah asking Oprah
28:00
Speaker 1: that question, and she says something that sounds really good,
28:05
Speaker 1: But I've never agreed with her, and I like always
28:07
Speaker 1: agree with the Oprah, so it freaks me out that
28:09
Speaker 1: I don't agree with her. But she was like, they
28:11
Speaker 1: all know where they're going, And I actually have found
28:15
Speaker 1: that most people I've interviewed don't know where they're going.
28:18
Speaker 1: Didn't know necessarily at the time. They just kept showing up.
28:22
Speaker 1: They were consistent, and everybody's like big break is made
28:30
Speaker 1: in so many quiet moments that nobody else sees. It's
28:34
Speaker 1: like the ten thousand hours of being up on a
28:38
Speaker 1: Saturday night, like doing things when everybody's out and partying,
28:43
Speaker 1: and like it's those quiet moments that allow for those
28:46
Speaker 1: big moments that people clap for.
28:47
Speaker 2: But I one hundred percent agree with you. It is consistency. Well,
28:51
Speaker 2: because it's like the you know, every overnight success was
28:53
Speaker 2: ten years in the making or yeah, you know, twenty
28:56
Speaker 2: years in the making, and someone will pop on the
28:57
Speaker 2: scene and they're you know, wildly talented, Like where did
29:00
Speaker 2: they come from? Well, they've been working on this, you know,
29:03
Speaker 2: they've been honing their crafts and putting in the time
29:06
Speaker 2: and effort because they believed in themselves or they had
29:09
Speaker 2: this talent and it was something that was a passion
29:11
Speaker 2: of theirs. And I think maybe a shift in just
29:17
Speaker 2: overall society and how we treat each other that I'm
29:21
Speaker 2: seeing is that it's like you're you're almost not supposed
29:26
Speaker 2: to take a risk because everything is so centered around money.
29:31
Speaker 2: Oh what do you mean, Like listen, I like money.
29:35
Speaker 2: It's great, son anymore like more money, thank you, universe,
29:39
Speaker 2: more money. But when I think of the times that,
29:43
Speaker 2: like I was the most in love with the business,
29:47
Speaker 2: I was most in love with like the creative and
29:51
Speaker 2: all that, I was not thinking about money. I didn't
29:54
Speaker 2: have money, so I don't know, I just didn't like
29:58
Speaker 2: there was no money comany So it was like just
30:00
Speaker 2: doing my thing and I'm just getting better and I'm
30:03
Speaker 2: just excited about this, you know, little freelance job that
30:07
Speaker 2: I got, you know, and I'm nervous and it's like this,
30:11
Speaker 2: no one's gonna see this, right, but like it's the
30:14
Speaker 2: most important thing at that moment, Like that'll be like
30:16
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years ago. Yeah, But it's like if you're
30:21
Speaker 2: not doing the best thing right now, it's like there's
30:24
Speaker 2: this judgment of it, like, oh, you haven't made it yet.
30:26
Speaker 2: Or you know you're not able to flex. It's like
30:29
Speaker 2: everything doesn't have to be a flex like some part
30:31
Speaker 2: of it can be the journey. Yeah, I mean I
30:35
Speaker 2: think the journey's more fun.
30:37
Speaker 1: I forgot who said this to me, but someone said
30:40
Speaker 1: to me, you have to enjoy the journey because it's
30:43
Speaker 1: boring at the top, and I was like, that's so
30:47
Speaker 1: interesting that.
30:49
Speaker 2: I flies really in the face of more money, more problems.
30:53
Speaker 1: No, but if you think about, like I don't know,
30:56
Speaker 1: at least for me, like some of the worst jobs
30:58
Speaker 1: I ever had my best friends.
31:02
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean there's there's there's connection in the
31:04
Speaker 2: suffering bond for sure, laff so hard.
31:07
Speaker 1: You have stories like I wouldn't trade it. I don't
31:10
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it again.
31:13
Speaker 2: No, but it made bad, it makes you. Uh. Those
31:17
Speaker 2: things also prepare you. Hell yeah when you especially if
31:22
Speaker 2: you're doing like live things, or you're speaking, like I
31:25
Speaker 2: don't know if people do people ask you for advice
31:27
Speaker 2: about speaking now, yeah, like how to be a good speaker? No,
31:32
Speaker 2: not really, or we're like like, what do you do
31:36
Speaker 2: to not get nervous? Yeah? Yeah, some of that. They
31:39
Speaker 2: usually ask me how to start a podcast? Well, yeah,
31:42
Speaker 2: that's a that's your good person asked that. No, I mean,
31:45
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, it's it's about preparation obviously,
31:51
Speaker 2: but I also always say something will go wrong, someone
31:54
Speaker 2: will be throwing forks in the kitchen while we're recording.
31:58
Speaker 2: Something is like a light's gonna fall or like whatever.
32:00
Speaker 2: Don't hope everything's fine. But that's what live experienced live. Yeah, yeah,
32:04
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. So like those those experiences were
32:07
Speaker 2: like everything breaks and you're like, all right, I gotta
32:10
Speaker 2: keep talking because we're live and this is what happens. Yeah,
32:14
Speaker 2: you just know something's gonna go wrong, and if you
32:17
Speaker 2: expect it to, then it's like you're not completely frozen
32:21
Speaker 2: when it does because you just know, you know it
32:22
Speaker 2: always it always, the prompter breaks, all the papers fly away,
32:26
Speaker 2: it's like you've seen it all.
32:28
Speaker 1: So this is so funny because I think I was
32:31
Speaker 1: probably twenty four and or twenty five and I was
32:35
Speaker 1: working at Entertainment Tonight Online, and I snuck over to
32:38
Speaker 1: like the main stage area of Entertainment Tonight and I
32:42
Speaker 1: like accosted Kevin Fraser, who was the host at the time.
32:45
Speaker 1: He was at lunch and I was like can I
32:47
Speaker 1: ask you a few questions? He was like okay, and
32:51
Speaker 1: I'm asking him what I should do and how I
32:53
Speaker 1: should like strategize my career and he goes, listen, who
32:56
Speaker 1: do you think is the best? And I was like,
32:59
Speaker 1: I think Bob cough is like one of the best
33:01
Speaker 1: to ever do it, and I don't want to be
33:02
Speaker 1: in sports. And he was like, I agree with you.
33:06
Speaker 1: Why do you think Bob Costas is so good? And
33:08
Speaker 1: I was like, he's the QB. Like when everything goes wrong,
33:11
Speaker 1: you just throw to Bob because he doesn't even need
33:13
Speaker 1: a prompter. He'll know what to say. And he goes,
33:16
Speaker 1: you got to go do live TV. He was like,
33:19
Speaker 1: if you know how to cover like the death of
33:22
Speaker 1: the bumble fucks mayor like excuse my language, it's like
33:27
Speaker 1: I'm on the right show for that, then you can
33:29
Speaker 1: cover Michael Jackson's funeral or like it all like, you
33:33
Speaker 1: got to go.
33:33
Speaker 2: Do live TV.
33:34
Speaker 1: And so I moved back to Chicago and I did
33:36
Speaker 1: live TV and I came back a different post journalist whatever.
33:41
Speaker 2: So I totally agree with you. And you do live
33:44
Speaker 2: so much. You can handle anything. I have handled a
33:47
Speaker 2: lot of things. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not
33:49
Speaker 2: gonna rebuke you on that. I have the things that
33:53
Speaker 2: I have had, like the times that we have completely
33:56
Speaker 2: flushed the lineup and just had to wing it for
34:01
Speaker 2: hours at a time because a story is broken and
34:04
Speaker 2: we have no information and we've got to feel a
34:08
Speaker 2: whole show. I mean, yeah, I COVID alone. Not to
34:12
Speaker 2: bring up COVID, but like the I mean, Colin and
34:16
Speaker 2: I did three hours a day for four months with
34:21
Speaker 2: no live sports. I have no fucking idea what we
34:25
Speaker 2: talked about. I don't know. I can tell you, I
34:29
Speaker 2: don't know what are we talking about? Who knows? There
34:31
Speaker 2: was no there were no live sports. We filled three hours.
34:34
Speaker 2: I mean we always joke about it. I'm like, I blacked out, Colin, Like,
34:36
Speaker 2: I don't remember what we were talking about oatmeal? Who knows? Like,
34:41
Speaker 2: but we did it because you got to do it.
34:43
Speaker 2: It's one of those bonding moments. Oh yeah, I mean
34:45
Speaker 2: we surviving that was was was absolutely crazy. So I
34:49
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about your your card game.
34:52
Speaker 2: Well it's not really a card game, it's it's it's
34:55
Speaker 2: a conversation prompter, which I love because I am always
35:02
Speaker 2: ready to disrupt the evening with co with deep conversation
35:06
Speaker 2: conversation y yeah, yeah. I have a joke. There's this
35:09
Speaker 2: clip online about it's like their family is visiting like
35:13
Speaker 2: Buckingham Palace and they're just like taking a picture and
35:15
Speaker 2: one of the family members runs in and starts talking
35:17
Speaker 2: about this institution and all the things that they have
35:20
Speaker 2: done wrong to society, and like that's me. I'm always
35:23
Speaker 2: going to bring up like some politics. You're like, did
35:25
Speaker 2: you know that sore and show? Actually no murder, no
35:28
Speaker 2: d but it usually lends to like a really interesting conversation. Yes,
35:33
Speaker 2: so one, how did you choose the questions? Well, tell
35:37
Speaker 2: us the bigger thing, because you you you've been curating
35:39
Speaker 2: these questions over your career.
35:41
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, everybody needs a joy at their
35:44
Speaker 1: dinner party because.
35:46
Speaker 2: I am a great middler. You know I can middle
35:48
Speaker 2: very well. Do you watch you watch a Curby Enthusiasm? Yes, yeah,
35:51
Speaker 2: I'm a great middler.
35:54
Speaker 1: This came, This card game came because I was working
35:57
Speaker 1: at a job that I thought was my dream job
36:00
Speaker 1: and I hated it. I would like break out into
36:03
Speaker 1: hives and cry in the bathroom at lunch. And one
36:07
Speaker 1: day I was at the gas station after working like
36:10
Speaker 1: sixteen hours, and I called my mom and I was like,
36:13
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do this anymore.
36:16
Speaker 2: And she was like, well, isn't this everything you wanted?
36:18
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
36:20
Speaker 1: And I was like no, like this is this is
36:22
Speaker 1: not for me? And she was like, well, I think
36:25
Speaker 1: you should quit, Like wouldn't you be so pissed that
36:27
Speaker 1: you spent if you got hit by a bus that
36:29
Speaker 1: you spent your last day at that office in Burbank
36:31
Speaker 1: with no windows yep?
36:33
Speaker 2: And I was like, yes, I would. I would be
36:35
Speaker 2: really pissed. So I quit.
36:39
Speaker 1: And I was really anxious about money because I had
36:44
Speaker 1: It's not like I had a backup plan. And I
36:47
Speaker 1: was like, I guess I'm gonna have to like babysit
36:49
Speaker 1: or like do whatever I have to do to make
36:50
Speaker 1: ends meet. And I decided to take myself to grad
36:55
Speaker 1: school during that time, because there's no like schooling for
36:57
Speaker 1: what we do, Like you technically could go and roll
37:00
Speaker 1: at USC, but like it's better to just go do
37:03
Speaker 1: the thing. So I started putting together questions that I
37:07
Speaker 1: wanted to ask people that I wanted to interview, Like
37:10
Speaker 1: if I got to interview Oprah, what was I going
37:12
Speaker 1: to ask if I got to interview Michael Jordan, what
37:15
Speaker 1: was I going to ask? And I had a list
37:17
Speaker 1: eventually of like a thousand questions. And around this time,
37:22
Speaker 1: because I was unemployed, I have more time on my hands.
37:25
Speaker 1: And I looked at those questions one day and I
37:27
Speaker 1: was like, I've never asked myself one question. I ask
37:30
Speaker 1: other people questions for a living. This is kind of embarrassing.
37:34
Speaker 1: I don't even know me, and why why have I
37:36
Speaker 1: not been asking myself questions? And this is before I
37:38
Speaker 1: ever went to therapy, so like PSA pre self actualization,
37:43
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna ask myself like five
37:46
Speaker 1: questions a day, Okay. So I went through the list
37:50
Speaker 1: and I swear to God, I'm not lying. After about
37:55
Speaker 1: like two weeks of doing this, people were like magnets
37:58
Speaker 1: to me because I would go out into the world
38:01
Speaker 1: and I was practiced at asking questions, because like asking
38:04
Speaker 1: questions is literally just a practice. And so I'd be
38:08
Speaker 1: out at dinner and I'd have like something really interesting
38:11
Speaker 1: to ask, or I'd be on the phone with my
38:13
Speaker 1: parents and like had something really interesting to ask, and
38:16
Speaker 1: people were like drawn to me, and I was like, oh,
38:19
Speaker 1: this is a super power, Like I'm five to one,
38:22
Speaker 1: you're shockingly little.
38:25
Speaker 2: I thought you were much taller. Though the same We
38:28
Speaker 2: are not meant to be in the WNBA. That's not
38:30
Speaker 2: going to happen for us. It was a dream at
38:32
Speaker 2: some time, and I stopped growing in like seventh grade.
38:35
Speaker 2: So it's just not going to happen. It's not our futures.
38:38
Speaker 1: It's not in our futures. But like, everybody can tap
38:41
Speaker 1: into the power of questions.
38:43
Speaker 2: And when I.
38:44
Speaker 1: Look at like like the most successful companies in America, Google, Apple,
38:51
Speaker 1: they're actually all all the CEOs have talked about the
38:53
Speaker 1: power of questions. Apple uses the Socratic method method, which
38:57
Speaker 1: is answering a question with a question.
39:01
Speaker 2: Google.
39:01
Speaker 1: Eric Schmidt said, we are a company built on questions,
39:04
Speaker 1: not answers.
39:06
Speaker 2: It's just.
39:08
Speaker 1: What's his name, Brian Grazer, like epic legendary producer. He
39:12
Speaker 1: wrote a book called The Curious Mind about how curiosity
39:16
Speaker 1: has fueled every great thing he's ever done. And like,
39:19
Speaker 1: I think sometimes people look at curiosity as nosiness, so
39:22
Speaker 1: we need to rebrand it.
39:25
Speaker 2: Well, it's I don't. I think it depends on what
39:27
Speaker 2: you're curious about. Like, if you're curious about someone else's
39:30
Speaker 2: sex life, Like you're nosy, you're not curious. There's a
39:34
Speaker 2: big difference. But you know you say that all these
39:36
Speaker 2: CEOs and powerful people. I tell people. I try to
39:39
Speaker 2: tell people all the time, like when you spend time
39:41
Speaker 2: around incredibly successful people, the currency is information. I don't
39:49
Speaker 2: even think that that's like a revoluation anymore. Like, hello,
39:53
Speaker 2: the most successful people in the world continue to stay
39:55
Speaker 2: successful because they share the information only with the other
39:57
Speaker 2: successful people. Like the gatekeeping for information and is the thing.
40:00
Speaker 2: It's actually like illegal in some cases, So like that's
40:04
Speaker 2: the point. Really successful people are always asking questions, they
40:07
Speaker 2: always want to know more because information really turns into
40:10
Speaker 2: the highest level of currency.
40:12
Speaker 1: That's so well said. I never've actually even thought about
40:15
Speaker 1: it that way. You're right, and I think that it
40:17
Speaker 1: sometimes can feel intimidating, like you don't know what to ask,
40:21
Speaker 1: or if it's like weird to ask something deep.
40:23
Speaker 2: And so it's also a sign of intelligence that you're curious.
40:28
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, But when you're younger, I think like
40:33
Speaker 1: you don't know that. You think it comes off as
40:35
Speaker 1: like naive and you want to seem like you're interesting,
40:38
Speaker 1: but like the most interesting thing is to be interested.
40:41
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and youth is wasted on the young. We
40:44
Speaker 2: always thought we knew, we knew. You think you know everything,
40:46
Speaker 2: And generally speaking, if you are an evolving person, the
40:49
Speaker 2: older you get, you realize how little you know. Yeah.
40:53
Speaker 2: I remember I woke up one day and realized I
40:55
Speaker 2: know nothing. I remember that day too. It's changed my life.
40:59
Speaker 2: I love it. But I was like, oh, I don't
41:00
Speaker 2: know shit, I'm done. If someone knows more than me,
41:03
Speaker 2: I'm asking them how to do it. I'm doing whatever
41:05
Speaker 2: it is that they say, like I'm I am. I
41:08
Speaker 2: am an advice receiver now, Like for years I was
41:11
Speaker 2: the most biggest pain in the ass in the world.
41:14
Speaker 2: I'm sure I wasted plenty of great advice being a
41:18
Speaker 2: pain in the ass young person. And I literally remember
41:20
Speaker 2: the day that I was like, nope, I got it.
41:22
Speaker 2: This is not what happened. I think I just like
41:25
Speaker 2: hit rock bottom and I was able to receive the
41:29
Speaker 2: most important piece of advice I've ever seved. I've told
41:32
Speaker 2: the story many times, but it's really about focusing your energy,
41:35
Speaker 2: like like I mentioned earlier, and I actually like felt
41:39
Speaker 2: the gravity of the advice I was getting for the
41:41
Speaker 2: first time and I was like, oh, like I've been
41:44
Speaker 2: doing this wrong, Like there are people who know more
41:47
Speaker 2: than me, and I don't know everything. I do not
41:50
Speaker 2: know how to do everything. I am not prepared for
41:53
Speaker 2: the things that I want to accomplish, and I need
41:55
Speaker 2: to start listening to people when they're like, don't fucking
41:58
Speaker 2: do that. Wow. Now I still don't listen to everybody.
42:01
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm still working on this crash. But it is
42:06
Speaker 2: important to know that you don't know things, because it's
42:08
Speaker 2: just like that is the that is a sign of
42:11
Speaker 2: intelligence that you know you have more to learn.
42:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, Although I think to your credit like you
42:18
Speaker 1: do have to listen to yourself too.
42:20
Speaker 2: There's a balance of it, for sure, and you should
42:22
Speaker 2: only be taking advice from people that genuinely care about
42:24
Speaker 2: you or who genuinely have nothing to gain from pointing
42:29
Speaker 2: you in a certain direction. And are you know qualified.
42:33
Speaker 2: Don't get all your information off TikTok or chatchept or
42:38
Speaker 2: anywhere on the internet. Honestly, except for us, we always
42:42
Speaker 2: know what we're talking about. Okay, so let's see a
42:44
Speaker 2: couple questions except for two personal Okay, here you start,
42:47
Speaker 2: all right, and it's kind of like taro, Like, I
42:51
Speaker 2: think you pick the card that you're meant to to grab. Yeah,
42:55
Speaker 2: so I'll be a little bit more creative than the
42:56
Speaker 2: first woman. The first one is probably the instruction card. Okay,
43:01
Speaker 2: all right, okays up, you're right, you spoke it up.
43:07
Speaker 2: Look at this. Uh oh, I'm scared. What ordinary moment
43:10
Speaker 2: throughout your day brings you great joy? That's very cool. Okay,
43:19
Speaker 2: So I'll ask you first, and then i'll answer, what
43:21
Speaker 2: ordinary moment throughout your day brings you great joy?
43:24
Speaker 1: My coffee Every single time, I like go to bed
43:27
Speaker 1: thinking about my coffee the next day.
43:30
Speaker 2: Are you like, do you make an elaborate coffee or
43:32
Speaker 2: is it like a simple No?
43:34
Speaker 1: I actually spend like a millennial five dollars and fifty
43:37
Speaker 1: cents at a coffee shop. Oh, because it gets me
43:40
Speaker 1: out of the house. I really don't like to leave
43:43
Speaker 1: my apartment. Oh, it gets me out of the house
43:46
Speaker 1: and then I can be out.
43:47
Speaker 2: Okay, but I like that. What ordinary moment I would
43:51
Speaker 2: say my showers. I am a big shower person. I
43:55
Speaker 2: like a scolding lobster shower. And wait, really, why do
44:01
Speaker 2: you take cold showers? Are a serial killer?
44:03
Speaker 1: No?
44:03
Speaker 2: No, I don't take cold, But I don't want a
44:05
Speaker 2: scolding hot I want my skin to like be red
44:07
Speaker 2: when I get out of the shower. Oh yeah, the
44:09
Speaker 2: whole place has to be steams. But like I also do,
44:13
Speaker 2: it's just a lot of thinking in the shower. Okay,
44:16
Speaker 2: I practice any conversation I need to do that is
44:19
Speaker 2: like making me uncomfortable. It's just like a a like
44:23
Speaker 2: I do it in the morning when I wake up,
44:25
Speaker 2: so it helps me wake up. But it's also like
44:26
Speaker 2: it's just like my like focus time.
44:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you like a bench in your shower.
44:32
Speaker 2: I I don't want to get a bench in my
44:34
Speaker 2: shower because I don't want to encourage any extra activities.
44:36
Speaker 2: You know, guys to know how I feel about shower activities.
44:39
Speaker 2: Although I probably should be like a steam in there,
44:42
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's so nice to shave your
44:44
Speaker 2: legs with a bench. It is helpful. It is helpful
44:46
Speaker 2: and as a as a as a recent shower fall faller. Actually,
44:49
Speaker 2: I'm an order woe when I leave here. Yeah, I
44:52
Speaker 2: mean it was it was. It was a it was
44:54
Speaker 2: a moment of me realizing my age. I was in
44:57
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say where I was, but I was
44:58
Speaker 2: I was on vacation and I slipped and fell in
45:00
Speaker 2: the shower and it was a disaster. And I was like,
45:05
Speaker 2: have you ever fallen in the shower. Yes, it's scary,
45:07
Speaker 2: it's terrifying. I'm like, I understand how people died. Totally
45:12
Speaker 2: cut yourself, like there's nothing. I was like pulling on things,
45:15
Speaker 2: pulled the shower curtain down. It's like laying the waters
45:18
Speaker 2: coming on top of me. I've told the story before,
45:19
Speaker 2: but this is like, so it's not great. I mean
45:21
Speaker 2: I lived, thankfully, but it was not And your elbows Okay, No,
45:27
Speaker 2: I was real fucked up. Actually I just laid there
45:31
Speaker 2: for like five o one. Okay, Yeah, this is fun.
45:36
Speaker 2: This is a great game. Thank you. You have to
45:39
Speaker 2: go and get this all right. Okay, what's something kind
45:46
Speaker 2: someone has done for you that left an impact on you?
45:50
Speaker 1: Ooh okay, this is a weird answer to this question.
45:58
Speaker 1: But I was dating somebody and he was really wrong
46:03
Speaker 1: for me, and no one said anything, not my parents,
46:07
Speaker 1: not any of my friends. And my one friend, Julia,
46:11
Speaker 1: I'll give her a shout out from college, came to
46:15
Speaker 1: me one day. We were walking on a Sunday and
46:17
Speaker 1: she was like, d something's off like you can't, you
46:21
Speaker 1: can't be with him.
46:23
Speaker 2: And I was so risky. It was a friend, so risky,
46:27
Speaker 2: and I was so grateful to her. I tell her
46:29
Speaker 2: every time I see her, like I so appreciated her honesty.
46:34
Speaker 2: That is a real risk as a friend. That's a
46:36
Speaker 2: good friend, a really good friend.
46:38
Speaker 1: And it was so kind because I could have it
46:40
Speaker 1: could have gone sideways.
46:41
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you could have got super mad at her
46:43
Speaker 2: or like told her she's jealous, or like all kinds
46:46
Speaker 2: of wild stuff. Yeah, I'm not that good of a friend.
46:49
Speaker 2: I'm not dabbling new. Every time I've done that, it
46:52
Speaker 2: is backfired tremendously. So my friends have to make their
46:55
Speaker 2: own bad decisions. Yeah, that's a good friend. Something kind. Wait,
47:00
Speaker 2: I want to read it properly again and put it
47:01
Speaker 2: back in the stack. I think it's put in the
47:03
Speaker 2: right place. Something kind someone has done for you, that
47:06
Speaker 2: left an impact on you. I feel like people do
47:10
Speaker 2: a lot of kind things for me, which I'm really
47:14
Speaker 2: grateful for. Actually, I have a friend's I'll give them
47:18
Speaker 2: a shout out. Also, Bo sent me a great book
47:21
Speaker 2: recently to read. It's called The Second Malon. You know
47:27
Speaker 2: that book, David Brooks. Yeah, that is a good one.
47:30
Speaker 2: It's a really great book. It's a really great book,
47:32
Speaker 2: and it's about really finding your purpose, finding your flow state,
47:41
Speaker 2: and what what like will motivate you throughout your life
47:46
Speaker 2: that fulfills you, not just like pays your bills or
47:49
Speaker 2: checks boxes. So it's a great book. And that was
47:51
Speaker 2: a very very kind thing. That is kind. These are great.
47:55
Speaker 2: I love when people send me a book. I know,
47:58
Speaker 2: what a nice gesture. I love sending people books, even
48:00
Speaker 2: if I know they are one hundred percent not gonna
48:02
Speaker 2: read it. Maybe it's just I think it's important to
48:05
Speaker 2: be surrounded by words. I agree with you. I have
48:07
Speaker 2: so many books i've like bought. I am good for
48:10
Speaker 2: buying a book. I've actually had to stop myself because
48:12
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't I need I don't need to
48:13
Speaker 2: buy another book. I don't need another book. I need
48:16
Speaker 2: to finish this book and then I can buy the
48:17
Speaker 2: other book. Wait, I'm going to send you a book. Okay, wait,
48:20
Speaker 2: I need to like my bookcase is over flow. Sorry, Joyce,
48:25
Speaker 2: you know I should do Thank you. I will accept
48:27
Speaker 2: gifts from you. Okay, she's already gotten me cigars. She's
48:30
Speaker 2: a wonderful gift. Giver, so I will accept gifts from you.
48:34
Speaker 2: I should donate the books that I've already read. That's fair,
48:38
Speaker 2: and then I can clear up some space.
48:40
Speaker 1: I love like profiling somebody and then giving them a book.
48:44
Speaker 2: It's like the only time it's okay to do that,
48:46
Speaker 2: and it's a very intentional thing, right, like to send
48:50
Speaker 2: someone a book. I think reading is super important. It is,
48:54
Speaker 2: I feel like especially now and for me recently, like
48:58
Speaker 2: it really has helped me focus again because we can
49:01
Speaker 2: get into these states of like constant doom scrolling, and
49:04
Speaker 2: there's just like so much overstimulation. I don't want any
49:07
Speaker 2: music gone, Like I just I like to sit and
49:10
Speaker 2: like focus with my coffee and just relax and read. Cool.
49:15
Speaker 2: I have to make time for it because I just
49:17
Speaker 2: I have too much going on in my brain. I
49:19
Speaker 2: don't want to check my phone, like just really holding
49:21
Speaker 2: in on it. So I will. I will accept the book,
49:23
Speaker 2: all right, So in return, I'm gonna do some rapid
49:25
Speaker 2: fire of her own and I will answer them with
49:31
Speaker 2: you as well. Your favorite homemade nostalgic food my grandmother's
49:39
Speaker 2: boiled chicken. Okay, I don't know if it's boiled. I
49:42
Speaker 2: don't cook what is it roasted chicken? Roasted? Yeah, roasted
49:45
Speaker 2: sounds much better than boiled roasted chicken. We don't want
49:47
Speaker 2: to do Grandma like that, carrots and celery and okay, yeah,
49:50
Speaker 2: it's just roasted. That's like the bone and stuff. Yeah. Yeah,
49:52
Speaker 2: roasted chicken my favorite. My mom cooks a lot of
49:56
Speaker 2: dishes that are very just stalgic. But I think my
50:01
Speaker 2: mom's chili. My mom makes amazing chili. Oh that's good. Yeah,
50:04
Speaker 2: she has like a very specific recipe which I can
50:07
Speaker 2: actually create. So that makes it really good because I'll
50:13
Speaker 2: always have it. Yeah, but it's just it's such a
50:16
Speaker 2: great chili. What's your most prized possession? Hmmm? I have
50:25
Speaker 2: a book signed by Barbara Walters. Oh that I really love.
50:30
Speaker 2: That is a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.
50:33
Speaker 2: My most prized possession, I don't know. I think it's
50:38
Speaker 2: you know, when the fires were happening. Oh, this is interesting,
50:43
Speaker 2: and I asked people this question. Yeah, we had to
50:46
Speaker 2: pack go bags out out here in California, in LA
50:50
Speaker 2: and thankfully my house was not near it and I
50:53
Speaker 2: didn't have to, but I had friends that came and
50:54
Speaker 2: stay with me who had go bags and the things
50:56
Speaker 2: that they brought were interesting. I couldn't when I go back.
51:00
Speaker 2: There was nothing that I had that I can remember
51:05
Speaker 2: packing that I felt like I couldn't lose. And I
51:10
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of things I think I would
51:11
Speaker 2: think about and be sad about. But if I had
51:16
Speaker 2: to like grab something, I don't know. I don't know
51:21
Speaker 2: what I would. I don't know what I would grab.
51:23
Speaker 2: I'm a piece of jewelry or not. Really, I would
51:27
Speaker 2: grab my passport because that is replaceable. But wow, I
51:32
Speaker 2: don't want to do that now. I know that's not
51:33
Speaker 2: the right answer to this, but I use that passport
51:35
Speaker 2: a lot, so i'd probably try and find my passport.
51:39
Speaker 1: For Rather, you would have everything burn except for you,
51:44
Speaker 1: like so badly because you don't want to go deal
51:46
Speaker 1: with governments.
51:48
Speaker 2: Have to deal with the government. There's a better answer
51:50
Speaker 2: to that. I just wanted to prepare for it. I will.
51:53
Speaker 2: I will text you when I have it. Your first
51:56
Speaker 2: celebrity crush. This is going to be I'm barrassing.
52:00
Speaker 1: It's for it's so embarrassing. I think it was John
52:02
Speaker 1: Stamos in Full House.
52:04
Speaker 2: It's not embarrassing, that's like, that's no. Everyone loved Uncle
52:08
Speaker 2: Jesse Uncle Jesse. Everyone loved Uncle Jesse. Uncle Jesse's hot.
52:13
Speaker 1: Although honestly, I really loved Shamar Moore and that What's
52:18
Speaker 1: that show that he was like the.
52:20
Speaker 2: Girl, So two of the hottest people on the planet. Yeah,
52:23
Speaker 2: but I feel like that's an embarrassing answer nowadays. You
52:25
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say a cartoon character.
52:28
Speaker 2: So I think your cartoon. I mean, it wasn't Cocoam.
52:32
Speaker 2: Everybody's I mean, that's be serious about this movie was
52:40
Speaker 2: completely unbelievable. This second that she picked John Smith over Cocoam.
52:43
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we doing? Girl? Girl agreed? What's
52:46
Speaker 2: around the river bend? Nothing? Cocoam is right there, we
52:49
Speaker 2: don't need to go around the river bed. At least
52:52
Speaker 2: it was like a man cartoon or like a person.
52:54
Speaker 2: It wasn't like Ursula. No. I also loved Yeah, well listen,
52:58
Speaker 2: Ursula had some sass. I loves Raspbee. Who's Who's that?
53:05
Speaker 2: Kenny says? Is crazy? Kenny, this is a judgment free zone.
53:14
Speaker 2: I he had great lips and uh Christian Bale and newsies.
53:21
Speaker 2: So I got range. You really have range? Yeah? Yeah,
53:25
Speaker 2: so mine mine are a little bit different than Uncle
53:28
Speaker 2: Jesse and Marmore. Miter Marmore was obviously a crush you,
53:30
Speaker 2: but that was probably like more in college, all right,
53:32
Speaker 2: a deal breaker in friendships talking behind my back gossip,
53:39
Speaker 2: m Yeah, so no, go, I don't know what kind
53:43
Speaker 2: of gossip like to other friends or to like people
53:45
Speaker 2: who should not know things about you either, Yeah, say
53:49
Speaker 2: it to my face. See, I think I prefer people
53:52
Speaker 2: to talk about me in a normal way, like when
53:54
Speaker 2: I don't know, wait what, yeah, Like you mean I
53:58
Speaker 2: don't need to feedback all the time, like talk about
54:00
Speaker 2: to our friend group like a normal person. Everyone gets
54:02
Speaker 2: complained about. So I don't know if that would be
54:04
Speaker 2: a deal breaker for me. Interesting now, real shit, like
54:07
Speaker 2: real secrets and real things that we have confided in ourselves,
54:11
Speaker 2: Like yeah, absolutely a deal breaker for sure. That's the
54:13
Speaker 2: biggest betrayal that you can do to me as a
54:15
Speaker 2: person is if I confide in you something, whatever it
54:18
Speaker 2: may be, and then you use it against you, not
54:20
Speaker 2: even necessarily share it, like you use it against me
54:23
Speaker 2: or throw it in my face or something like that.
54:24
Speaker 2: Like that is an instant deal breaker for me. But
54:28
Speaker 2: like if you're like, I don't know if I really
54:29
Speaker 2: like Joy's haircut, like it's you know, oh yeah, that's frivolous. Yeah,
54:34
Speaker 2: I don't care about that. Oh okay, see you mean
54:36
Speaker 2: like real shit. Yeah no, I think that's a deal
54:38
Speaker 2: breaker for me too. I My number one deal breaker
54:41
Speaker 2: for anyone is that if I confide in you, yeah,
54:44
Speaker 2: I give you my trust and then you use it
54:47
Speaker 2: to hurt me, You're just You're dead to me. It's like,
54:50
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the worst things you can
54:52
Speaker 2: do to a person. It's cruel. Well it's also just
54:55
Speaker 2: like it's very very cruel, but it also deteriorates their
55:00
Speaker 2: ability to function. I get so much more than just
55:03
Speaker 2: like a normal betrayal, because you have to trust people
55:07
Speaker 2: to move around the world, like whatever people say like,
55:09
Speaker 2: oh I don't trust anyone, Like okay, do you go
55:12
Speaker 2: to the grocery store, You're trusting that these people didn't
55:14
Speaker 2: rub the produce on the floor before they put it
55:16
Speaker 2: on the stands. There's a million things that we trust
55:19
Speaker 2: each other to do to move around a functioning society.
55:23
Speaker 2: So when you're doing something to someone that that deteriorates
55:26
Speaker 2: their ability to like function around other people. Yeah, that's nuts.
55:30
Speaker 2: What when's your birthday? January im a capricorn. Me too.
55:35
Speaker 1: I think that's the betrayal thing. It drives me nuts.
55:38
Speaker 1: We're like really sincere people.
55:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't. I do not like being vulnerable
55:43
Speaker 2: with people like I don't enjoy the feeling of giving
55:46
Speaker 2: my vulnerability away. It gives me anxiety. So if I
55:49
Speaker 2: do that, you have to date a cancer. I love cancers.
55:52
Speaker 2: I know they bring good things out in us. I
55:54
Speaker 2: love cancers. They're so lovey too, Yeah they do. They're
55:58
Speaker 2: very affectionate, which is a lot for me. But I
56:02
Speaker 2: have I have a lot of cancer friends and they're
56:03
Speaker 2: they're wonderful. Okay, finish this sentence. Society needs more love,
56:09
Speaker 2: came to my mind. I mean that's that is probably
56:12
Speaker 2: it's a great answer.
56:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, nuance, empathy, there's a long list nowadays.
56:19
Speaker 2: I think society needs more hand to hand violence. I'm sorry,
56:23
Speaker 2: what Let's get rid of the guns and bring back
56:28
Speaker 2: fisticuffs hand to hand, you know, I think we should
56:32
Speaker 2: be a lot. We should have three to five a
56:37
Speaker 2: lotted slaps per month that we can use. Anything over
56:41
Speaker 2: than that is criminal. But like people have to have
56:44
Speaker 2: a fear of not saying whatever the fuck they want
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Speaker 2: this question is quite personal. What do I do about
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Speaker 2: my girlfriend who I've been with for four years faithfully
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Speaker 2: and still wants to use condoms. I don't know. I
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Speaker 2: don't know. It's not often that you guys stump me,
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Speaker 2: but I don't know. Okay, Well, I will say this,
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Speaker 2: four years is a long time, and some people really
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Speaker 2: enjoy condom sex, Like I have friends who prefer to
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Speaker 2: use condoms. It sounds like you've reached the end of
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Speaker 2: your condom journey in your monogamous relationship. The answer to
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Speaker 2: most of these questions is to communicate. So the best
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Speaker 2: advice that I can give you for this is to
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Speaker 2: communicate with her that you would like to stop using condoms.
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Speaker 2: Listen to why she obviously feels comfortable using condoms. I mean,
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Speaker 2: sex is a very intimate thing. Obviously it's very important
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Speaker 2: to her to protect her body, which we should all
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Speaker 2: be doing. But if you're in a monogamous relationship, obviously
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Speaker 2: the trusts that you are exchanging a safe sex environment
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Speaker 2: is one that is important, but obviously very much matters
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Speaker 2: to her. So I think you should communicate with her,
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Speaker 2: have that conversation, understand why she feels that way, and
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Speaker 2: maybe if she wants to, you know, get tested once
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Speaker 2: in a month or implement something like that that would make
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Speaker 2: her feel more comfortable and allow you guys to you know,
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Speaker 2: get rid of the condoms during sex. It seems like
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Speaker 2: that's probably the best way to handle it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I again, I am not a certified sex therapist. I
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Speaker 2: am not a doctor, and I am not a therapist.
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Speaker 2: This is just my personal advice that you guys have solicited.
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Speaker 2: So I think that communicating with her, listening to her concerns,
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Speaker 2: and trying to offer a realistic and fair alternative that
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Speaker 2: allows you guys to have a safe, intimate relationship where
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Speaker 2: she feels comfortable and you are able to enjoy sex
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Speaker 2: without condoms is probably the way to go. But this,
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Speaker 2: this one, this one stopped me for a few minutes.
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Speaker 2: I think I landed the plane though. I feel like
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