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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Unsealed Grand Jury Documents From Florida (Part 7-9) (5/3/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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We're gonna dive right back into those grand jury documents
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and pick up where we left off. Bellohove Lic. Okay,
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she was what you said, seventeen? Answer it's Rakari's still
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on the stand, by the way, correct, bellohove Lic. Did
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she tell jeff Epstein that she was seventeen? Answer? May have?
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I believe so, bellohove Lic. Take a minute and look
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at your report and see if you can find that there.
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Speaker 2: Answer.
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Speaker 1: Okay, she was sixteen when she first went to the house.
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Bellhove Lic. Okay, she was sixteen. But did she ever
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tell him she's sixteen or seventeen? Answer no, bellhove Lik.
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Did any of the girls ever tell him that they
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were under eighteen? Answer? Well, he knew that they went
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to redacted school, bellohove Lick, That was not my question
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to you. You see how confrontational she is here. You
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see how she's going after her own witnesses, and this
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is all at the behesse of Jeffrey Epstein's team. I
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don't care if she denies it. I don't care if
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Krisher denies it, And I don't care what that OIG
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report says, we're seeing it right here in real time.
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And then if you dig deeper and you understand to
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Jeffrey Epstein's team was really in contact with, meaning not Acosta,
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then you understand how all of this fell into place.
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Back to the document. Answer Okay, bellohove Lick. Did any
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of the girls ever tell Jeffrey Epstein that they were
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under eighteen years old?
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: Not, to my knowledge, bellohove Lick. And some of them
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affirmatively lied and said that they were eighteen when they
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were not. Didn't they? Answer correct, bellohove Lick. But he
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was aware that they were going to high school? Answer correct,
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bellohove Lic.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: How much money did redacted make? Answer three hundred dollars
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for each massage? Bellohovelck. Was she ever given anything other
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than cash money? Answer? She was also given a Western
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Union wire from New York for a Christmas bonus? Bellohovlc.
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How much was the Christmas bonus? Answer? Two hundred dollars Bellohovlc.
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All right, at some point you spoke with someone named
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Alfred ol Rodriguez. Answer correct, bellohove Lick. And who is he?
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Answer He's a former houseman of Jeffrey Epstein bellohovelc. What
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did he describe his duties when he was employed by
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mister Epstein.
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: He was basically everything. He was the butler, the driver,
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in charge of his security. He was basically the everything
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for the house. Bellohovelec okay do it all? He did everything? Indiscernible.
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Wanted to answer right, bellhovlk okay. Did he did Alfred
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ol Rodriguez give you any information regarding your investigation? Answer?
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He explained that he knew something was a miss. During
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his employ with mister Epstein, he would see girls as
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young as his daughter come in and say they're his massuse.
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And when asked how young, he said very young, too
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young to be a massuse. Did he get you any
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other information? Answer? He also stated that he kept a
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folder for his protection some notes that were made during
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his employee with mister Epstein. Bellohove lick. What so he
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kept like a journal? Answer basically yes, like a folder
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with different sheets of paper inside. Bellohove lic and he
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would write notes to himself or would put notes in
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that journal. Answer he would put notes inside bellhovlk okay answer.
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Notes that were given to him on Epstein's stationary, bellohovec.
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Was there any note that he provided to you in
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that folder that indicated something any type of relationship between
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Jeffrey Epstein and any of the girls that we've discussed.
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Answer Yes, he provided two sheets. One was to extend
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the rental car for redacted as the contract was up
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the second of February, bellohove Lic the second of February
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that year. Answer I was unable to determine that. I
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researched that information through Dollar rental car and they were
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unable to locate the car that he rented bellohove Lic.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: But did redacted confirm that she had gotten the car?
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Answer yes, Bellohovlc okay. Answer she even explained described the
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car as a blue Dodge Neon four door. She explained
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the whole car to me. Additionally, there was another notation
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of to take a bucket of roses at nine pm
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to redact it four redacted and give the flowers to
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redacted after her redacted performance, as she was in redacted
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and had a redacted that night. So what they're talking
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about is how Epstein sent flowers to some little girl
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who was doing a school player or whatever, and that's
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what they're accounting here, But that's not good enough for
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missus BELLOHOVLC or mister Krisher. I guess, Bellohovec. Okay, And
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do you know when that was?
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: It was while redacted was still in redacted and redacted.
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It was during his employee prior to Janis Bellohovelc. Do
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you know if that was when redacted with sixteen or
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when she was seventeen or or when she was eighteen?
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Answer when she was seventeen, bellhove Lic.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Did you any of these girls we've talked about, any
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of them a licensed massage therapist?
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: No, no formal training in any massages, bellohove Lic. Did
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you ever speak to license massage therapists that provided services
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to Jeffrey Epstein? Answer through the trash pulls, We did
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locate to girls that were licensed messuses that I interviewed,
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bellohove Lic.
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Speaker 2: Who were they?
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Speaker 1: Answer? One was redacted and the other one was redacted.
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Bellehove Lic. Okay, did you talk to her redacted? Answer?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I did, bellhove Lic. What did she tell you?
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Speaker 1: Answer that she had been going to Epstein's house for
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quite some time, However, she was not a massuse at
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the time when she first started going to his house.
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He also provided her a vehicle to get to his
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house because her scooter had broken down. She was and
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he's interrupted here by bellhove Lic. She started going to
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his house in a similar fashion and capacity as the
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these other girls. Answer that is correct, Bellohovek. Okay, but
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she later became a massage therapist. Answer yes, Bellohovelk. What
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kind of relationship did redacted and redacted and Jeffrey Epstein have?
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Answer She stated that it was a consensual sexual encounter
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that they've had, bellohovlc. How old was she at the time?
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Answer over eighteen at the time. I think she was eighteen, Bellohovec.
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Was she did she describe being paid money for? Answer?
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Speaker 2: Paid money?
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Speaker 1: And additionally, I believe he paid for her tuition at
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redacted bellohovic Is that where she got her massage therapy training? Answer? No,
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she got into the redacted Bellhovek, Okay, all right, what
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you mentioned a redacted she's a licensed massage therapist. Answer
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that's correct, Bellohovik. Did she provide massage services to Jeffrey Epstein?
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Answer yes, Bellohovlk. What kind of services did she provide? Answer?
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She does a Swedish deep tissue massage. Bellohovelk. Did the
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massages by redacted go beyond a normal massage to the
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other acts we've heard about today? Answer no, No, Her
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job was strictly to come in provide the massage. She
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got paid one hundred dollars and she left bellohove lick. Okay,
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So the license massage therapist gets one hundred dollars, the
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other girls get much more. Answer right, bellohove lic okay.
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When you were you've met most of these girls. Was
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there anything different about redacted that you noticed that made
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her stand apart from the other girls that were going Answer?
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Redacted was not the petite little girl she was always
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She was a bigger girl, with plenty of tattoos on
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her forearm, her visible and visible on her neck, very
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visible tattoos, bellohovelc. If you were to say mister Epstein
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had a type, she would not fit that type. Answer oh, absolutely, Bellohovelk.
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Were you ever able to find any intelligence from the
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Pond Beach County Police Department that confirmed any of these
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girls being in his house other than the girls saying so?
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Answer through physical surveillance, I had researched all the intelligence
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that the police had gathered during the past couple of years.
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And in two thousand and four, mister Rodriguez, the former houseman,
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had called the police because he had seen a suspicious
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vehicle that he did not recognize in the driveway of
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mister Epstein's house. Mister Rodriguez was pulling in from publics
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and didn't recognize the vehicle, so he left and drove
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straight to the police department and notified them that there
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was a strange vehicle in the driveway. When the vehicle
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was approached by the police officers, they found redacted sitting
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in this the car with her friend, Bellehovlk. Does it
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identify who the friend is? Answer?
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Speaker 2: Uh, Bellohovlk.
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Speaker 1: And when you look at that report, what is the
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date that was there in two thousand and four? Answer
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November twenty eighth, two thousand and four. And at which
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point her celfhone rang and the officer felt that it
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must have been her mother because she says, I can't talk,
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I'm in school, Bellehovlk Okay. Did the officer note why
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Redacted was there? Answer? She stated that she was there
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to pick up monies that were owed to her that
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she's a massage therapist for mister Epstein. Bellehovelek Okay. The
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girls you talked to, how did they typically tend to
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know each other? Of those that do, were they all
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in school together?
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Speaker 2: Answer? They were all.
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Speaker 1: They all knew each other from redacted high school, all
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except one Bellohovic, because she was new redacted from outside
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of school. Answer correct, she knew redacted because she was
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dating redacted's cousin, bellhove Lick. Okay, at some point, did
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you obtain a search warrant for Jeffrey Epstein's home? Answer correct?
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Speaker 2: I did, bellohove Lick.
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Speaker 1: When was that? Answer that was in October bellhove Lick,
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page forty two. Answer October twelfth, two thousand and five. Oops,
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I'm sorry, that was the nope, that was in another
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interview bellohovelec October twentieth. Answer October twentieth, Bellohovec. You got
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the warrant on October eighteenth and executed it on October twentieth.
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Answer correct, Bellohoveck.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Who was present with you when you executed the warrant? Answer?
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Various members in the police department. Detective Kroll, Sergeant Frick
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Detective Dix, Detective Dawson, Detective Sandman, myself, crime scene manager
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Greg Parkinson, bellohovlk okay. Answer there was a lot of
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people in the and from the police department. Bellohovlk all right,
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and Greg Parkinson's is outside. Answer yes, bellohovlk okay. During
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the execution of the warrant, there was an item found
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that's identified as a twin torpedo. Answer yes, bellohovlk.
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Speaker 2: What is that item?
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Speaker 1: Answer that is it's known as a dildo bellohovilk okay.
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A sexual toy that you buy? Answer a sexual toy,
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bellohovevik okay. Where was it found? Answer? That was found
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in the bedroom of I want to say Nadia's bedroom,
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bellohovlk okay. Is that the bedroom that the girls were
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taken to when they performed the massages as described by
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and to you? Answer the main massages occurred in Epstein's
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master bedroom bathroom Marriott bellehove lic not Nautius. Answer no,
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bellohovelck bedroom bathroom Maria. Answer no, bellhovelk okay. So that
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was found in a different place answer correct, bellohovec. Was
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there any sexual devices dildo's vibrators found anything that matched
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the description that was given by the girls, either a
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purple vibrator or a white vibrator with a large head.
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Answer no, Bellohovelck. At this point, Detective Riccary, I'm going
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to see if the grand jurors have any questions for you.
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All Right, We're gonna wrap up right here, and when
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we get back with the next episode, we're gonna pick
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up with the grand jury questions to Detective Roccari. All
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of the information that goes with this episode can be
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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking
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up where we left off with the grand jury documents
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that were just released, and to do that, we're picking
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up with Detective Rocari about to get questioned by the
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jur jur I'd like to ask you a question first,
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what constitutes a sexual act under the law? Miss Bellohovlick.
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Sexual activity means oral anal or a vaginal penetration by
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or union with the sexual organ of another, anal or
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a vaginal penetration of another by any other object, or
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the handling or fondling of the sexual organ of another.
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For the purpose of masturbation. However, the term does not
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include acts for bonafide medical purposes. You'll all get a
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copy of this, yes, ma'am, a jur. Do you know
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the location of Jeffrey Epstein at present? You say that
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he hasn't been back since October? The witness, He has
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various homes, one in New York, he has a ranch
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in New Mexico. He has a private island right outside
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of Saint Thomas. He has a home in Paris and
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one in England. A jur, So, can you get in
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touch with him? You would have a way to do that,
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the witness Ricari. He has various councils representing him. Miss Bellohovlck, Yes, ma'am.
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Jur was redacted. The only one of these girls that
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he actually had intercourse with, the witness. No dur Okay Riccary.
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There were a total of five victims altogether. But as
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far as intercourse, you mean, jur m hmmm, the witness.
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As far as penile intercourse, juror right, the witness, I
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believe it was two jur Okay, Miss Bellohovlik yes, sir
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calling on another jur. As far as redacted, it does
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not appear from what I'm hearing, it's not like redacted
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was the center focal point who coordinated all this for Epstein.
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It seemed like Epstein had multiple sources to have access
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to some of these young girls. Is that correct, Riccary?
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All of these girls were in a tight click together,
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redacted being the first one from the click to just
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go to the house, dur Okay, Riccary basically was that
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she brought redacted, redacted, brought redacted, and brought redacted. Juror right, Riccary,
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So it was like a trickling effect, jur Right. So this,
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I mean, it's just this kind of seems like this
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little micro economy got spawned here and it does not.
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I mean, do any of these girls provide those types
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of services for money for anyone else?
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Speaker 2: Do they do this?
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Speaker 1: And Ricari interrupts him here, no, jur on a common
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basis or nope, jur Does it just happen that Epstein
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is the source by which they're attracted to here, Riccary,
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Epstein is the source, jur Okay, Miss Bellahovelc do you
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know redacted President Occupation Detective Ricary? She is a an
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exotic dancer. Miss bellohovlick a stripper, Ricary a stripper bellohovelek Okay,
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jur Who is that one Riccary redacted, bellohovlc redacted, Yes, sir,
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another juror being called upon here. When Jeffrey entered redacted,
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did she ask him to stop it all Riccary? She
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screamed no, she didn't, She dur and he continued the witness.
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She said no, He apologized, offered her one thousand dollars
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so subsequently then dur so he stopped the witness after that, yes,
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dur okay. And the second question he had made comment
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that Dollar rental Car wasn't able to find the dollar
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or rental car wasn't able to find the car? Have
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you been able to confirm the actual And to that,
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Racari cuts them off. Subpoenas had been issued to Dollar
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rent a Car. I have their text researching it. They
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were acquired by another company, so some of the business
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records were not up to par. So there there hopefully
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I keep reminding them to jur there's more than one
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car then that and Raccari interrupts, that's correct, they still
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rent They rented the car for redacted, which I believe
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she's still driving it, Jur. Okay, Miss Bellahovlik calls on
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another juror who is a woman, Dur, how many of
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the girls had relationships with them over a year while
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they were still in high school? Riccary, I'm sorry, Dur.
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How many of the girls had we're seeing him for
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more than a year while and he knew that they
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were still in high school? Ricari, I know that all
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of them were in high school when they first started
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seeing them redacted being sixteen, the age of graduation is eighteen.
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I would say they all because they all met him
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through redacted in school. Miss BELLOHOVLK. The question is the
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length period? This doesn't it's one time like with its
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numerous hundreds of times for two years the witness over
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two years, bellohovec redacted fifteen or more times? Riccary, Right, bellohovelc.
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So this is long standing, right, Ricary says, many of
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these girls? Riccary, you got it, jur. Can you name
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the two girls that the vaginal penetration took place with Riccary?
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It would be redacted and redacted, dur. And how many
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then would in your opinion, defined by the sexual act?
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How many other girls would fall under that category. Can
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you give me some type of count Riccary under well,
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there's that age and Bellohovic she pops in. Of course
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she has to save her buddy. Jeffrey Epstein. There's the
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masturbation in front of how many girls the witness there
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was bellohov Lick most of them, he says. In fact,
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I would say all of them bellohovlc Okay Riccary, except
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for maybe the legitimate massuse Bellohovlc. But the only one
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that was under sixteen at the time was redacted Ricary, right,
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she was fourteen, correct, bellohovelk Okay jur. Other than redacted
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stepmother coming to the police. She obviously found out from
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the principle, but the other girls, none of their parents
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knew about it or intervened in any way. Riccary, it
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wasn't until parents discovered what she was doing. It was
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at that time that she had stopped, and to this
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day she still gets phone calls. She had to change
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her cell phone number. They have changed the change their
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house number from Sarah Kellen and Epstein jur Cauz. Here
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these girls are all bringing home this money. They're obviously shopping,
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bringing home items and none of the parents got involved
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in any way. You know, there's a whole lot of
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victim shaming going on at this grand jury session, and
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one of the main reasons why I'm not a big
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fan of the grand jury. And does anyone shocked that
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they wanted to keep this secret? Listen to how damning
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all of this is, Riccary. A lot of these parents,
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they had no idea what was going on, jur. I
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can't believe that. I mean, bellohovelc. You have to ask questions,
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not comments. Yes, ma'am, do you have your hand up, jur.
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Let's see you mentioned redacted was from redacted the ricary redacted? Yes,
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jur redacted was from redacted. Riccary. No, actually, these all
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these girls lived in the redacted area redacted area, jur okay.
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Any suspicion that there perhaps were other groups of girls
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from other high schools or other areas that he would
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bring into his home, the witness not that I'm aware of.
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The common link here was redacted school, and there was
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actually comments made from people that say there is nobody
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in redacted school that does not know about Jeffrey Epstein.
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Bellehovelek calls on somebody else, Yes, sir, the jur the
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girls that brought these girls for two hundred dollars, was
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that redacted bellehove Lic, Yes, she was one of the girls,
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a juror. Then Bellohovlc there was another girl that brought them,
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jur okay. Then after he got some of their cell
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phone numbers, did he make his own appointments?
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Speaker 2: Did he still pay redacted? Riccary?
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Speaker 1: That's correct, jur Okay, Ricary, And eventually they did cut
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out redacted and would contact these girls directly, jur oh
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that's okay, Bellohovelec. Did Jeffrey Epstein make the appointments or
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was it done through Sarah Kellen Riccary, through Sarah Kellen
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his assistant Bellohovec. So we don't have any of the
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girls actually making an appointment with Jeffrey Epstein himself. Riccary,
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that's correct, Bellohovelec. Were you able to talk with Sarah
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Kellen Riccary. No, the defense did not allow jur so
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redacted claim to make it clear to Epstein that for
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the two years she was going she was in high school,
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she and he knew that. Riccary, he knew that based
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on the sending the flowers to her school for her
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high school play that she was in, Bellhovlc anyone else?
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Another juror raises her hand. What year when she receive
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the flowers? What clash was she in? Was it a
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senior a junior?
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Speaker 2: Riccary?
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Speaker 1: I want to say senior, but I'm not one hundred
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percent positive on that. Jur when I ask that, is
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that you know usually a senior can be eighteen years old,
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whereas a junior is you know?
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Speaker 2: That was? And to that?
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Speaker 1: Ricari says, right, and jur that would give him some
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knowledge of knowing how old she was. Bellohovelk calls on
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another juror. The two girls that receive rental cars, their
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parents never asked them where they got these cars that
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they were driving. Riccary the one girl redacted who's still
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driving the car, she's attending college out redacted. Her parents
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live up here in in the redacted area. When she
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does frequent her parents, the car is a friend's car.
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Speaker 2: Or is borrowed.
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Speaker 1: Bellehovlc, Yes, sir, Another juror is called upon, can you
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confirm I believe it was? Redacted had indicated that the
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conversations with Jeffrey Epstein was that to make sure that
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the girls were young, Riccary. The younger the better, a
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jur and the younger the better, right, that was Riccary,
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younger the better was the quote jur in that conversation
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was that in reference to specifically your friends from your
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school or Riccary. That came later because she brought a
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twenty three year old to provide a massage and he
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told her that she was too old. Jur Right, okay, Bellhovelec. Okay.
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Another juror asked a question, Can I ask you a
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legal question? Bellhovelec Uh huh? Jur is there and it
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says inaudible here Bellohovec. Yes, but we can discuss that
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when the detective's not here calls on another jur Are
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all these girls available to be called if the case
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went to court, Riccary, if it went to trial, yes, bellhovelec.
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Any other questions, jur have you been able to verify
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mister Epstein's age?
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Speaker 2: Riccary.
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Speaker 1: Mister Epstein was born in nineteen fifty one, I believe
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fifty one or fifty three January of nineteen fifty three
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January twentieth, nineteen fifty three, which would have made him
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fifty two to fifty three years of age bellhovec and
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fifty one fifty fifty one during the times of these events.
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The witness correct, Bellohoe lick. Okay, all right, thank you
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very much, jur one more, I think there's another question,
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Bellohoe lick oop, Sorry, Durr. Is there any other evidence
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that the girls were in his house besides the one tape?
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Besides what they're saying, Ricary, he did have two cameras
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to cover hidden cameras inside of his house for security purposes.
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We did locate that computer. I reviewed the image in
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the computer, and within that computer there are photographs of
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girls that I had previously interviewed that appears to be them. However,
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because it's so grainy, so snowy, a positive identification is
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you know, it's hard to unless you show it to
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the girls, is this you which I haven't done because
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too much information was being leaked back to them. So
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that's why I pretty much stopped giving them an information
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as far as this investigation, Bellohove lick. So you can't
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say specifically then the pictures are of the girls involved, Ricary,
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I cannot say positively. I can say that this girl
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appeared to be like just like redacted, same hairstyles, same
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mannerisms of walking, same clothes that typical that I've seen
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or a wear. But I can't say for one hundred
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percent that this is her. This appears to be her,
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the same body style, face that type of Bellohovlk interrupts them,
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and the girls are still in touch with them, telling
23:18
them about your investigation. The witness, meaning Riccari. I know
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for a fact that Redacted Bellohovlk or telling Sarah or Nadia.
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Riccari right. I know that redacted was called, and other
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girls that I've interviewed or approached to be interviewed have
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called them, and he's cut off by Bellohovlk. And there
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are other girls that refuse to talk to you. Ricari right, Bellohovlc,
23:41
I love Jeffrey. I'm not testifying against them, Riccary. Right now,
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another juror has a question, one question, didn't you say
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that the place in Palm Beach has the residence under surveillance?
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Speaker 2: The witness.
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Speaker 1: When I took over the investigation, I had our tag
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team conduct physical surveillance and they observed these girls coming
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to the residence in their vehicles in their dad's car
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and their mom's car coming to the house seeing Epstein.
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The He's interrupted here by the jur said, you have
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witnesses that can put these girls inside, and to that,
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Ricari says, absolutely, jur, that particular residence. Riccary, absolutely jur.
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There's one other thing I forgot, Miss Bellahovlick in or
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at his home. Not in the sex acx though, Riccari. No,
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not in the sex acts. They were conducting surveillance from
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the outside. Dur, I know, did you do any telephone
24:32
research or was everything done over cell phones? Riccary, Everything
24:37
was done over cell phones. Bellahovlick. All right, thank you
24:40
very much, Detective Racari. All right, we're gonna wrap up
24:43
here and in the next episode we're gonna pick up
24:46
where we left off, and this time a new witness
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is taking the stand, and that's Gregory Parkinson. All of
24:52
the information that goes with this episode can be found
24:55
in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
24:59
to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
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pick up where we left off with the grand jury transcripts,
25:06
and that's with the new witness, Gregory Parkinson. Miss Dugan okay,
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would you raise your right hand Parkinson? Yes, Miss Dugan.
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Do you swear or affirm? The testimony you're about to
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give today will be the truth, the whole truth, and
25:20
nothing but the truth. So help you God, the witness. Yes,
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I do the examination. Miss bellohovlk Okay, would you introduce
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yourself to the grand jurors, please? Parkinson? Good morning, ladies
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and gentlemen. My name is Gregory Parkinson Bellohoveck. How long
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have you been employed as a law enforcement officer?
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: I've been in the business forty years now. I started
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on October twenty fifth of nineteen sixty six, Bellohovelck. And
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where were you working then? Answer? I worked for the
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West Palm Beach Police Department, where I serve for thirty
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four years until I retired on July third of the
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year two thousand. I had the fourth of July off
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and went to work the next day as an investigator
26:04
for the State Attorney's Office, where I've worked for three years.
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I left on February fourteenth of two thousand and three
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and had the weekend off, and then took over a
26:13
management position with the Town of Palm Beach Police Department.
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Where I'm still currently employed, Bellohovlck. What's your position with
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the Palm Beach Police Department. Answer I hold the rank
26:24
of police officer, but I also hold the title of civilian,
26:27
where I am in charge of the crime scene Investigation Unit,
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the photography unit, the evidence holding unit, and the fingerprint unit. Bellohovelck.
26:36
In your capacity as the crime scene head, did you
26:39
take part in the search warrant executed on Jeffrey Epstein's
26:42
house on August October twentieth, two thousand and five. Answer yes,
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I did, BELLOHOVLC. Tell us how you go about executing
26:50
a search warren in general? Answer? Once the warrant is
26:54
signed and brought back to headquarters. I'm not aware of
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this at that time. On this morning, which was a
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Thursday morning, when I went to the morning briefing at
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that time, I was informed that a search warrant would
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be executed and that it would be at this residence.
27:08
My responsibility is then to assemble the team of evidence
27:11
specialists and crime scene processors that will respond to this
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unannounced scene. We don't even know where we're going until
27:18
we're in what looks like a funeral procession or a parade.
27:21
All the cars are ready to go, we follow the
27:24
lead car and only then when we arrive do we
27:27
know the location. Bellohovlik, Why is that done? Answer? It's
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an issue of security, it's an issue of privacy, and
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it's an issue of officers' safety, so that there's a
27:38
guarantee that there can be no leak of any information,
27:42
even as simple as an address from my office. And
27:45
we prefer to operate in that manner, So we don't
27:47
know until we get there. All we really need to
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know is that we are going to be going into
27:52
so that we know the volume of bags, the volume
27:54
of boxes, the volume of gloves or masks or processing
27:57
gowns or lab coats, whether we would need head cover
28:00
to protect or to prevent contamination of a scene, or
28:04
shoe covers which also prevent contamination of the scene. We
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don't need to know a lot about the scene. We
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only need to know what type of evidence we're going
28:13
to be looking for and the potential volume or size
28:15
of the area. Knowing this, we are then prepared to
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go to the scene and do whatever is necessary to
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fulfill the requirements of the search warrant, and that's searching
28:24
for specific items. Miss Bellohovlick, mister Parkinson, So that would
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in addition to officers' safety, so that someone not waiting
28:32
there to ambush you. Also, nobody at the place to
28:36
be searched knows you're coming, so they can't just dispose
28:38
of things. Answer, that's correct, bellohov Lick Okay, on this date,
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October twentieth, Where did you go?
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: I went to a residence located on the island of
28:48
Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, with the address of
28:52
three point fifty eight Lbrio Way. The three hundred block
28:56
is the block just immediately west of the Intercoastal Waterway
29:00
Bellehovic east of the Inner Coastal Waterway. Answer, it is
29:05
on the east side of the Intracoastal Waterway. In fact,
29:08
this particular residence is on the Intracoastal Waterway. Bellehovik Okay
29:13
described to us how the house is entered. Answer. The
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residence had staff or personnel present at the time of
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our arrival. Detective Rakari went in ahead of me and
29:24
understanding that once you enter the property there is a
29:27
heightened danger factor with persons or personnel on the scene,
29:30
and the first thing that must be done for everyone's
29:32
safety is to go in and not search for items,
29:35
but clear the residence of living human beings so that
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there can be no access to weapons or any endangerment
29:41
to them. This was done, and I took part in
29:44
the search of the second floor on the west end
29:47
of the residence all the living persons and there were
29:50
no dead persons there. So all of the person's non
29:52
police persons were escorted out to the south side of
29:55
the residence into a patio area bellohovec where they allowed
30:00
to take any items out of the home with them.
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Answer no, Nor did the police look, touch or move
30:05
anything other than opening doors closets to make sure that
30:08
there were no other persons inside. It was not a
30:11
search in the sense of the search warrant at this time.
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It was the search of the residence to clear it
30:16
and neutralize any element of danger. This was done. This
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was accomplished at this time Officer Detective RACERRII would read
30:24
out loud word for word the search warrant to those
30:27
persons that were removed from the house. My responsibility at
30:31
this time was to video and audio record the reading
30:34
of that search warrant to these persons. That I did
30:37
and recorded it until the conclusion of the reading of
30:39
the search warrant. Bellehovelek Okay, were you requested by myself
30:43
to prepare a diagram of the upper floor of the
30:46
home searched?
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Speaker 2: Answer?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I was, bellohovek. What rooms are on the upper floor? Answer?
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There are several rooms that are located on the second floor.
30:54
It's basically an L shaped appearance where the main body
30:57
of the house is aligned east and west. There is
31:00
an L shaped short leg which protrudes to the north
31:03
that actually sits. That l leg sits over a three
31:06
car garage. The second floor contains a on the west end,
31:11
a large master bedroom which is a lined north and south,
31:14
and then off of the south side there is a
31:16
large master bedroom and large closet. Coming back through the
31:20
bathroom to the north side, there is another bathroom and
31:23
these are quite large bathrooms. They're not like our He's
31:26
cut off there by bellohovelc and then he continues, you know,
31:30
not like my house.
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Speaker 2: Bellohove Lick. Is this the diagram you prepared?
31:34
Speaker 1: Answer? Yes, it is, bellohove lic Okay. Can I ask
31:37
you to step down and indicate to the grand jurors,
31:40
what the upstairs looks like? What rooms we're seeing here?
31:44
Answer to orient You bear in mind you're looking at
31:47
the second floor here, and this is a spiral staircase
31:50
which goes from the second floor down to the first floor.
31:53
And this coincidentally is a double door main entrance to
31:56
the front of the house. And once inside, oops, juror,
32:00
broke the stairway? Answer I did I broke the stairway.
32:04
Once entering the front door and coming up the stairway,
32:06
you entered a landing. Once inside the landing, it's basically
32:10
a very long hallway. This hallway has a double door
32:13
set here and a double door set here. They open
32:16
inward on the east side, they opened inward on the
32:18
west side. Once coming through this hallway, you then reach
32:22
a normal sized door which gives you access to the
32:24
master bedroom, which is the master bedroom. This is the
32:28
large bathroom on the south side, and this is the
32:31
large walk in closet of which there are two doors
32:34
that you can enter and walk in all the way
32:36
through and back out to the other and again moving
32:38
back through the bedroom past the hallway, you then enter
32:42
another large bathroom which has a sink, closets and a
32:45
large bathtub, and it was right here what looked very
32:48
similar to a dentist's chair without the big light.
32:51
Speaker 2: It had all.
32:51
Speaker 1: Kinds of tubes and things on it. I don't know
32:54
really what the thing would do. Answer no, it was
32:58
just part of the furniture there. Like Simler too. A
33:00
bed was here and a credenza over there. Bellhove Lick.
33:05
Are these toilet facilities here or is it just sinks
33:09
in these bathrooms? Answer? I believe that there were toilets
33:13
also there in the hall bellohov Lick.
33:15
Speaker 2: All right.
33:15
Speaker 1: Did you find the massage table? Answer yes, there was
33:18
a massage table in the bathroom. Bellhove Lik.
33:22
Speaker 2: Okay.
33:22
Speaker 1: How about massage oils? Were their massage oils up in
33:25
that bathroom?
33:26
Speaker 2: Answer? I believe there were.
33:27
Speaker 1: I know that we got some kind of jar of
33:29
material out of his master bedroom out of one of
33:32
the dressers. Bellohove Lick. What about the actual room where
33:35
the massage table was in? Answer that, I'm not sure
33:39
I was involved in the actual search and photography of that.
33:42
Other investigators would have to comment on it. Bellohove Lic. Okay,
33:46
do you have the reports? Answer? Yes, I do. Are
33:51
they from the investigators? Bellohovlik asked. Answer, well, I have
33:55
the evidence sheets, bellhov lick okay. Answer of where the
33:58
things were found, bellohovec okay. Could you see if there
34:02
were any massage oils found within the same room where
34:05
the massage table was. Answer okay, and items that would
34:09
be taken into custody by the police department would be
34:11
itemized on the property receipt like that. Answer that's true,
34:16
bellohov Lic okay. But so there was a massage oil
34:19
found by the master bedroom this room. Answer yes, and
34:23
I actually had that pointed out to me by Detective Racari,
34:26
and it was called the bottle or joy jelly, and
34:29
it was from the master bedroom in the credenza, which
34:33
was right here. Bellohove Lic okay. You could have a
34:36
seat again. Answer thank you, bellohovlc. Thank you. You've had
34:40
a chance to go over the receipts of all the
34:42
properties that was contained. Answer yes, bellohovelc. Did any of
34:47
the officers find a purple vibrator at the home? Answer
34:51
I have item twenty four, which which may be that
34:54
I have not actually seen it, but it's called a
34:56
twin torpedo.
34:57
Speaker 2: Bellohovlk. All right.
34:58
Speaker 1: The twin torpedo was not found in the master bedroom though,
35:01
wasn't it found in another bedroom? I think Detective Racari
35:05
testified it was found in Glain Maxwell's or Nadia's bedroom. Answer,
35:10
I don't know. I don't have a listing right here
35:12
on this particular document as to where it was found
35:15
on the evidence sheet that would be covered in Detective
35:18
Raccari's report. Bellohovelc. Nothing listed as a purple vibrator though,
35:23
answer not on the sheets that I have bellohove Lick.
35:26
What about a white vibrator? Answer I don't remember seeing
35:30
a white vibrator. There may have been something that was
35:33
recovered by them and photographed by CSI Pavlich Bellohovelc. But
35:38
you have the property receipts in this case and it's
35:40
not listed. Answer I don't see it listed here, No, Bellhovec.
35:44
Speaker 2: Okay.
35:45
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm going to see if the grand
35:47
jurors have any further questions for you, the witness, I'm
35:51
at your service. A jur gets called upon. Do you
35:55
have any sexual toys other than the double headed torpedo
35:58
on the list, the witness not on the list that
36:01
I have here, Sir Dur that's the only sexual toy
36:05
you have, Witness, pardon, jur that's the only sexual toy
36:09
that was confiscated in this search, Witness. I believe to
36:13
my knowledge it is. I haven't seen the white or purples,
36:16
so I can't he gets cut off here by the
36:19
jur or any other type of sexual toy period, Witness right, Personally,
36:23
I have not seen those, jur Okay, Witness, but that
36:27
is not uncommon either. Because of the nature of this investigation.
36:31
Detective Racari would be the one that has the knowledge
36:34
on all those specific items, other than filming the room
36:37
itself or I'm sorry, the residents itself prior to the search, recording,
36:41
the reading of the search warrant, and then folks also
36:45
after the search, I go through the revideo to show
36:47
that the police did not do any damage. And then
36:50
the door is finally locked and secured, so there would
36:54
be areas while I was in it, I photographed it
36:56
from a video standpoint. I would not have direct knowledge
36:59
of some of the items that were found, but Detective
37:02
Ricari would bellohovec and you obtained copies of all the evidence,
37:07
sheets of evidence checked in, correct, Witness, I think so, yes, BELLOHOVLC, Yes, Witness, yes, BELLOHOVLC,
37:16
and only that twin torpedo is the only sexual item
37:19
that was listed, Witness, as best as I can tell, correct, Bellohovelck.
37:24
Okay calls on the next juror. Is that report just
37:28
from the master bedroom or from all the bedrooms on
37:30
the second floor, Witness, Actually, it represents the entire residence,
37:35
plus the two the servants quarters, barracks, and on the
37:38
southwest corner the fitness and exercise room. I believe this
37:43
encompasses everything. Jur Can you point out what room that
37:48
this woman Nadia was in, BELLOHOVEC. Are you familiar with
37:52
which bedroom was Nadia's? Witness? I am not BELLHOVELC. Detective Ricari.
37:58
We can witness, right, BELLOHOVLEC bring them back in to
38:02
show that. Okay, Witness right, bellohove lick any other questions.
38:06
Another juror raises their hand. Was the suspect at the
38:10
house at the time you served the warrants, sir, Witness, No, sir,
38:13
he was not. Jurs thank you. The next jurors called upon,
38:17
do your warrants have anything listed for like computer equipment
38:20
or things like that? Witness, It did Jur, it did, Witness, Yes,
38:25
And we did take the computer equipment, jur. And can
38:28
you say what's on it? Witness? That was handled by
38:31
the Special Investigations Unit. And while I saw actually physically
38:35
saw the computers and saw them disconnected and removed, I
38:39
never saw anything that was on those computers, Jur.
38:42
Speaker 2: And did they.
38:43
Speaker 1: Confiscate passports or anything from anyone in the home? Witness No, sir,
38:47
no passports, And there were no weapons in the house rifles, Dur.
38:52
They left them and yeah, yes, sir, they were left
38:55
behind because that was never part of what we were
38:57
looking for. So those were all left behind. Bellehoveleck calls
39:01
on the next Jur, could you tell us the people
39:03
that you found there?
39:05
Speaker 2: Who was there?
39:06
Speaker 1: Witness?
39:06
Speaker 2: Do I know who they were?
39:08
Speaker 1: Jur?
39:08
Speaker 2: The people? Yeah, who were they?
39:10
Speaker 1: Witness? I understand one was the property manager. I think
39:14
he was either Germanic or possibly Polish. He had an
39:17
Eastern European accent. Jur. Was that the only person? Witness? No,
39:21
there were I think three people there, Jur. Who were they, Witness?
39:26
I don't know who they were, Sir BELLOHOVLC. We can
39:28
ask Detective Riccari Witness right, Detective Raccari would know who
39:32
they are. Jur Do you know what the gentleman that
39:35
owned the house was out? Did they tell you he
39:37
was out of town? Witness, Yeah, we knew he was
39:40
out of town. Yes, bellehove Lick, all right, thank you, witness,
39:44
thank you.
39:45
Speaker 2: All right. So this is where we're gonna.
39:47
Speaker 1: Wrap up where they let go of the witness here
39:50
and the next witness that they're bringing up is going
39:52
to be Joe Riccary once again, and in the next
39:55
episode that's where we're gonna pick up. All of the
39:59
information that goes with this episode can be found in
40:02
the description box.