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Speaker 1: Well, that was a big bunch of nothing. That was
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister. And this is the Bolt Report and
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Speaker 1: we'll be giving lots of reaction tonight from what you
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Speaker 1: just heard from Mat Canavan, Pauline Hanson, Cameron Milner and
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Speaker 1: Michael Costa. Also coming up Rowan Dean, but let me
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Speaker 1: start with that. I'm surprised by the Prime Minister's message
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Speaker 1: for three reasons. First, big drum roll address to the nation.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's got to watch and he says absolutely nothing new,
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Speaker 1: just what a great job has been doing and this
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Speaker 1: is just an unpaid advertisement. The TV stations were sucked
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Speaker 1: in its letting him have that free time. And secondly,
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Speaker 1: didn't that sound contradictory to you? You know, don't change
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Speaker 1: anything and go about life as normal, hit the road
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Speaker 1: on Easter if you wish, you know, don't change a thing.
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Speaker 1: But actually if you can save some petrol for the
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Speaker 1: farms and the nurses, of course that would be good.
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Speaker 1: So you know where am I now to do? I
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Speaker 1: hit the road as planned, go for a long drive
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Speaker 1: on the Easter weekend or not? You know what? What
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Speaker 1: should have been a third? Obviously the Prime Minister meant
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Speaker 1: all that to reassure us. You know he's on top
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Speaker 1: of this. You've heard that long list of things he
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Speaker 1: was doing. In fact, one Cabinet minister unnamed told the
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Speaker 1: Sidney Morning Herald, this address is about setting the tone
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Speaker 1: and calming people down ahead of easter. Yeah, but I
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Speaker 1: just wonder how calming it is to be told don't
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Speaker 1: panic in an emergency message to the nation, and this
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Speaker 1: you know, just through after anythoningy that but eas he
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Speaker 1: told us. Actually, oh were sweet? No plenty of petrol
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Speaker 1: so much. In fact, he was still leaving us on
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Speaker 1: stage two of four to deal with your uns blocking
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Speaker 1: of all the tankers going through the straits of w Wars.
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Speaker 2: What kinds of circumstances would trigger you to move us
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Speaker 2: into the next stage of that plan.
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Speaker 3: If there's a major disruption in supply and at the
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Speaker 3: moment that hasn't occurred. At the moment, there are distribution issues,
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Speaker 3: but there is more fuel available today than there was
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Speaker 3: prior to this war, commencing.
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Speaker 1: Fuel than before and just yes that energy. Mister Crispond
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Speaker 1: also claimed plenty of fuel now and for weeks to come, and.
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Speaker 4: Please to inform the House, as we previously have that
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Speaker 4: any councilships have been more than replaced. And today the
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Speaker 4: latest advice to me is that there are now as
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Speaker 4: we speak, more than fifty five ships on their way
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Speaker 4: to Australia laden with fuel.
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Speaker 1: So why suddenly this need for an address to the
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Speaker 1: nation seven pm? All the stations to tell us nothing
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Speaker 1: has changed and nothing you do needs changing either. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what's happen easier to I don't get it the opposition today,
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Speaker 1: I tell you he had the mo on the hop.
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Speaker 1: They were there thinking, oh my goodness, something must have
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Speaker 1: changed to justify this. I thought maybe he was going
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Speaker 1: to join Donald Trump's war stupidly, so they twice asked
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Speaker 1: in Parliament had some of these ships been boasting about
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Speaker 1: coming here to save us with fuel been canceled? Is
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Speaker 1: that what it was? And twice he gave shifty none
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Speaker 1: answers like this.
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Speaker 5: There are reports today government ministers have canceled travel and
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Speaker 5: events in April. Has the government received advice of any
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Speaker 5: additional fuel ships bound for Australia that have been delayed
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Speaker 5: or canceled?
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Speaker 3: If he's referring to what was a proposed trip by
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Speaker 3: my self for Antac Day in Gallipoli on April twenty five, yes,
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Speaker 3: because of the circumstances of travel to Turkey at the moment. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: I have canceled it, prioritized what we are dealing with
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Speaker 3: at the moment, engaging with our regional partners. That's irresponsible
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Speaker 3: and the right thing to do.
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Speaker 1: Only half an hour later, did we well did? I
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Speaker 1: finally realized that Albani's has simply been stalling, you know,
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Speaker 1: refusing to say where the ships have been canceled because
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Speaker 1: he didn't have a clue, you know, are all the
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Speaker 1: ships coming and not? Primis it is a no way
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Speaker 1: would he know. He had to be saved by Chris
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Speaker 1: barn when he was asked a third time.
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Speaker 3: My question is to the Prime Minister, has the Government
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Speaker 3: received advice of any additional fuel ships bound for Australia
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Speaker 3: that have been delayed or canceled?
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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister has already answered that question.
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Speaker 1: The answer is no, they're not on top of the
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Speaker 1: detail obviously. Now the other thing to conclude from what
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Speaker 1: you just heard is that the government skills leveling with you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's still refusing to admit or even to
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Speaker 1: consider that we are actually more trouble than it suggests,
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Speaker 1: and much more may need doing. There wasn't a word tonight,
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Speaker 1: for instance, about rationing petrol to make it last longer,
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Speaker 1: not whether or when we'll need that rationing, because the
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Speaker 1: fact is this war now looks like going on for
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Speaker 1: weeks more. In fact, President Donald Trump confirmed just that
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Speaker 1: this morning our time. Now it's true that he is
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Speaker 1: now negotiating with some surviving leaders of the Iranian regime.
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Speaker 1: But there's no deal yet, so the bombing continues.
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Speaker 6: We've had regime change, We're dealing with people that are
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Speaker 6: much more rational. I would say that within two weeks,
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Speaker 6: maybe two weeks, maybe three.
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Speaker 1: So two or three weeks more for Roan's foreign is
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Speaker 1: also confirmed. The word talks or communications or messages with
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Speaker 1: Trump's special envoice Steve Viittkoff or whatever you call the
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Speaker 1: care what that's going on between the two sides, But
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Speaker 1: no deal, despite signs of crumbling in the regime.
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Speaker 7: Discussions through messages are ongoing, and mister Woodcoff has sent
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Speaker 7: messages directly. Like I've said, this does not mean negotiation.
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Speaker 7: These exchanges happen during both peace and war. We have
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Speaker 7: not given any response to that fifteen point proposal from
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Speaker 7: the US.
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Speaker 1: A start of a Moham hitchba and.
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Speaker 7: From our side there has been no proposal.
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Speaker 1: Either, So a big picture here that maybe peace still
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Speaker 1: maybe not. This government, though, has been typically slow to
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Speaker 1: react and typically has been assuming the best, not preparing
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Speaker 1: for the worst, leaving us short of fuel and short
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Speaker 1: of savings to deal with this emergency. And still it's
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Speaker 1: not talking about rationing what fuel we have left in
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Speaker 1: cases war really does go on. Now. The primise tonight
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Speaker 1: asked you to consider using less petrol, so saving fuel
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Speaker 1: obviously does matter, but it doesn't tell you of any
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Speaker 1: plans to make sure that fuel is saved. So if
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Speaker 1: tonight was to stop people worrying, I suspect it's going
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Speaker 1: to do the opposite, and you should worry. You should
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Speaker 1: worry whether this government actually knows what it's doing. Joining
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Speaker 1: me is our regular commentator mc canavan, now the National's
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Speaker 1: leader and the former Resources Mister mccanavan. You heard the message.
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Speaker 8: Your response, well, I do agree with you Andrew that
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure this will reassure people. This short address
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Speaker 8: to the nation had the hallmark of every other government
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Speaker 8: statement about this crisis over the past few weeks. It's
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Speaker 8: a melange of mixed messages and the hinting the sort
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Speaker 8: of hint of the fact that the government's not quite
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Speaker 8: being up front. They're not quite giving it to you
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Speaker 8: straight because we saw there in just three minutes. The
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Speaker 8: Prime is to say that you can go about your
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Speaker 8: normal business, everything's fine, but then he does want you
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Speaker 8: to make some changes. Which exactly is it to me?
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Speaker 8: It seems like the Prime Minister is now seeking to
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Speaker 8: set a political table for what might have to be
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Speaker 8: much more stringent measures in the future. I think its
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Speaker 8: trains would just have a lot less anxiety and be
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Speaker 8: a lot more reassured if the government just gave us
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Speaker 8: all the information. Earlier this week, the Primister spoke about
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Speaker 8: the National Cabinet, and at that National Cabinet the Queensland
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Speaker 8: Premier David Christa fully made the reasonable request that the
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Speaker 8: government establish a national dashboard which gives people all the
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Speaker 8: information up to date information about where petrol is, where
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Speaker 8: it isn't, what boats are arriving to the country and whatnot,
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Speaker 8: how much fuel is being used, and all those things
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Speaker 8: things that other nations have done, like New Zealand. If
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Speaker 8: the Primister really wanted to reassure people, it'd be better
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Speaker 8: if he just gave us the whole truth and nothing
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Speaker 8: but the truth.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that proposal because I noted that Dantean
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Speaker 1: of the Liberals put us to the Prime Minister today
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Speaker 1: in Parliament. Will you do that? Will you just give
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Speaker 1: us themation which I think would be useful, Like you say,
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Speaker 1: then we could all see for ourselves. Who wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: hanging on now? Buts is every hint or wink or
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Speaker 1: nod to know what the facts are are the ship's coming.
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Speaker 1: You know what petrol stations are out of fuel, how
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Speaker 1: many and what sort of fuel they're out of and
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Speaker 1: just let everyone see for themselves. One thing he did
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Speaker 1: not mention, even though he says, you know we need
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Speaker 1: to save fuel for these vital industries, is the word rationing.
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Speaker 1: Rationing of fuel. Are you in favor of that?
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm in favor of acting on the best information
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Speaker 8: we have and the information we have from the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: I don't have access to this, but the Prime minster
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Speaker 8: says that everything is hunky dory, that we have enough
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Speaker 8: fuel here. So of course I wouldn't want to inflict
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Speaker 8: pain on Australians, and rationing will be serious pain ahead
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Speaker 8: of any need to do so. So it's really up
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Speaker 8: to the government here to make that decision and act
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Speaker 8: in the interests of all Australia. I am worried though
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Speaker 8: that with the fact that they're not giving us that
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Speaker 8: up to date information indicates they've got something to hide.
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Speaker 8: I mean it's a bit like Leslie Nilson in Naked Gun,
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Speaker 8: standing there and saying there's nothing to see here, while
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Speaker 8: everybody starts to look and get a little bit concerned
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Speaker 8: when that is said. And I just do worry now
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Speaker 8: Andrew that really the information we have gotten in the
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Speaker 8: past couple of weeks has been thanks to the questions
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Speaker 8: from the opposition, from Angus Taylor and others in at
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Speaker 8: the Parliament. We've only extracted information about petrol stations ships
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Speaker 8: when we've been able to ask that question. The government
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Speaker 8: really has got a if you don't ask, we won't
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Speaker 8: tell approach. Well, parliament's rising now, it's rising for five weeks.
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Speaker 8: There'll be no such accountability. The government voted against a
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Speaker 8: Senate inquiry today that could have continued that accountability while
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Speaker 8: we don't all sit and so it does really worry
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Speaker 8: me that what information is the government actually going to
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Speaker 8: give us in the weeks ahead they're not committing to
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Speaker 8: daily updates, they haven't agreed to David Cristo Fulli's ask
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Speaker 8: for National dat Board. They seem to be just treating
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Speaker 8: us like mugs.
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, This too will pass. The war will someday
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Speaker 1: end and this will go in the background. But another war,
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Speaker 1: we're very vulnerable. We'll cut our oil supplies again, perhaps
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Speaker 1: more severely. Name the top things, the top two things
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Speaker 1: that you think we must do after this war to
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Speaker 1: prevent this kind of trouble in another war.
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Speaker 8: We must invest in technologies that can deliver liquid fuels
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Speaker 8: quickly or as quick as possible. We don't have an
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Speaker 8: energy production problem in this country. We have enough energy
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Speaker 8: resources to last us one thousand over a thousand years.
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Speaker 8: It's an amazing There should be an amazing bounty of
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Speaker 8: energy dominance for our country. Yet a ninety five percent
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Speaker 8: of those energy resources locked up in coal and uranium,
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Speaker 8: two things that the Labour Party won't touch and won't use.
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Speaker 8: And so the first thing we should do is invest
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Speaker 8: heavily in coal to lickwards technologies. The National's Party released
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Speaker 8: a major report in this this week that showed the
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Speaker 8: worth of that They're proven technologies. We could have them
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Speaker 8: up and running in twelve months or so time, not
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Speaker 8: enough time for the next few weeks. But as you say,
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Speaker 8: there probably will be another disruption, maybe even worse disruption
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Speaker 8: in the future than we're currently facing, and we should
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Speaker 8: use that energy resources to deliver a quick response. And finally, look,
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Speaker 8: the other thing for the medium term is to get
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Speaker 8: drilling again, invest in proving up our oil and gas resources.
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Speaker 8: We have this wonderful island continent. We're not England or Japan, Singapore.
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Speaker 8: We have a massive bounty across not the only island
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Speaker 8: nation that is a whole continent apart from Antarctica, and
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Speaker 8: so why don't why don't we develop it and discover
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Speaker 8: what's here like we used to do our ancestors did.
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Speaker 8: If we did, we might we might we might be
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Speaker 8: surprised at our luck and we might find something, might
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Speaker 8: find a big oil and gas discovery, and that will
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Speaker 8: see Australia, if Australia through any kind of crisis for
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Speaker 8: a very long time.
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Speaker 1: Mccanavan, thank you so much for your time. Now I
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Speaker 1: should tell you that Labour doesn't just think this address
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Speaker 1: the Night will do its job, become the public project
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Speaker 1: steadiness control. It's the kind of thing, of course, that
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Speaker 1: Scott Morrison was aiming for when he addressed the nation
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Speaker 1: over the far worse COVID crisis. When I say far
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Speaker 1: worse was made far worse by government over reaction.
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Speaker 9: I want to assure you and your family tonight that
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Speaker 9: while Australia cannot and is not.
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Speaker 1: Immune from this virus, we are well prepared. And Labor
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Speaker 1: is saying privately that this reassurance game is exactly what
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Speaker 1: the premise has been doing all week and successfully. It's
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Speaker 1: his style. You know, nothing, rash, nothing paniced. Is it working?
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Speaker 1: Joining me is one nation leader? Pauline hence and Pauline,
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Speaker 1: great to see you again. What's your take on the
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Speaker 1: Prime minister's message to the nation.
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Speaker 2: I think he's very concerned about the polls and his
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Speaker 2: popularity the people, and so he gave he's given this
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Speaker 2: message to calm everyone down. Everything's fine where we're going.
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Speaker 2: Let me say, Andrew, we've got about approximately thirty days
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Speaker 2: supply right across the board, whether it's jet fuel, petrol
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Speaker 2: or diesel. Now Korea has more days supply than we
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Speaker 2: have and Japan has two hundred days supply. Both of
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Speaker 2: those countries are moving to actually implement rationing in both
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Speaker 2: those countries, so that would tell you something. I'm really
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Speaker 2: concerned about where we are and on the ground, and
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Speaker 2: I was in the seed of Farrr last weekend. Really
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Speaker 2: concerns from the farming sector where they're saying pulling, we
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Speaker 2: don't know whether we're going to put in our crops
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Speaker 2: or not, but we don't know if we're going to
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Speaker 2: have fuel in six months time to actually harvest that
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Speaker 2: crop because it takes more fuel land to harvest and
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Speaker 2: what it does now to put the crop in the
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Speaker 2: ground fertilizer. This is now the big issue here. You know,
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Speaker 2: we've seen the government say there's no crisis. There is
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Speaker 2: a crisis, and then you know we've got ships coming
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Speaker 2: and ships were turned away. It's just one blunder after another.
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Speaker 2: I think they're very concerned. They haven't been upfront with
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Speaker 2: the Australian people and I think they need to. It
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Speaker 2: was one nation that pushed to cut the fuel excise
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Speaker 2: first and foremost. We actually advocated three months at one
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Speaker 2: hundred percent. We also said about the GST, which the
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Speaker 2: States are now agreeing with possibly to take off the
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Speaker 2: GST as well. So it was one nation advocated that
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Speaker 2: and I've got to say after I expect to Barnaby,
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Speaker 2: Joyce last weekend. He then spoke to the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: with regards to ensuring that the ship's coming here to Australia,
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Speaker 2: that we will underwrite if it delivers here and they
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Speaker 2: can't shouldn't lose money out of it. So we can
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Speaker 2: assure fuel security to the people of Australia. We need
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Speaker 2: to look after rule and regional areas. We might must
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Speaker 2: look after those essential services, the police, the ambos, the paramedics,
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Speaker 2: the hospitals, all those essential services to ensure that they
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Speaker 2: have fuel. And I think it's in real problems. And
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Speaker 2: to hear him say you've actually got a drill more
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Speaker 2: for oil or for those resources, they haven't. They rely
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Speaker 2: on the Greens vote in the Senate and in the
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Speaker 2: Lower House, mainly in the Senate. They've got the numbers
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Speaker 2: in the lower House. So therefore they're told by the Greens.
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Speaker 2: The Greens want to shut down gas all together. Exploration
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Speaker 2: in Australia. You can't explore for gas in the state
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Speaker 2: of Victoria that I want you to explore it there.
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Speaker 2: We cannot run this country on just wind and soul.
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Speaker 2: It can't happen, and I go back to it. And
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Speaker 2: I spoke about this in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: one when I laid out my concerns about the ninety
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Speaker 2: day international fuel supply that we didn't have. I spoke
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Speaker 2: about the refineries. In year two thousand and we had
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Speaker 2: eight refineries, now we're down to two. I advocated that
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Speaker 2: we are paying two point three billion two internationals to
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Speaker 2: refine and we're sending our money over and we're going
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Speaker 2: to shut down the refineries by twenty twenty seven, possibly
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty. We have been of both major political parties,
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Speaker 2: both of them, both of them had been and Matt
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Speaker 2: Canavan to say, Matt Canavan, I'm sorry, I've got to
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Speaker 2: finish on this. Matt Canavan to say that we should
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Speaker 2: be drilling oyal here, let me tell you. In twenty
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Speaker 2: nineteen and I took it to the Senate Vestments as well.
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Speaker 2: Spoke of Batle in Florida Parliament. We had East timor
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Speaker 2: timUL Lester. We were drilling up there in Australian company
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Speaker 2: because of Australia was caught spine on the Ti Marie
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Speaker 2: that actually went to court that was in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and four we found guilty. The Coalition government then handed
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Speaker 2: that oil over to Ti Marise Leicester, so that was
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Speaker 2: actually taking oil on the Northern Endeavor of around about
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Speaker 2: up to it could have in the past, but taken
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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty thousand barrels a day. They then
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Speaker 2: closed in on that handed that to Ti Marise Lester
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Speaker 2: as the deal because of what the Australian government was
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Speaker 2: doing Spye, that man was shut down, lost his business.
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Speaker 2: It Actually, you know, if we can actually take that
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Speaker 2: over now, that can produce there's still thirty million barrels
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Speaker 2: of oil there that we can actually then extract and
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Speaker 2: have that in Australia. But Matt Canavan he actually would
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Speaker 2: not really report as minister at the time and they
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Speaker 2: did nothing about it. He's got a lot to answer
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Speaker 2: for this, and I blame both the governments for this,
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Speaker 2: and I think that we need to open it up,
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Speaker 2: take control of that, get the extruct of the oil
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Speaker 2: out of it. We've got to become self sufficient in
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Speaker 2: this country with our oil and gas.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's an interesting story there. I'll check that out
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Speaker 1: on tomorrow's show and see what's what. Pauline Hanson, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for your time. After the break, go
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Speaker 1: get the oil yourself. Donald Trump tells us it's not
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Speaker 1: his job to stop Iran from blocking the oil tankers
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Speaker 1: that we need. Well. Trump has told us and the
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Speaker 1: rest of the world it's hungry for that oil that's
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Speaker 1: locked up in the Persian Gulf because the Iran refuses
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Speaker 1: to let out to those tankers. If we want that oil,
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Speaker 1: he says, go get it yourself. Trump doesn't need it,
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Speaker 1: and he'll walk away from this war without clearing up
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Speaker 1: the straight of a mus for oil tankers. That's our problem,
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Speaker 1: he says. Trump is sick of countries complaining this war
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Speaker 1: is causing worldwide fuel shortages, financial chaos, and he posted
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Speaker 1: this all of those countries that can't get jet fuel
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Speaker 1: because of the straight of a mus not the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 1: which refused to get involved in the decapitation of Iran.
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Speaker 1: I have a suggestion for you, number one, by from
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Speaker 1: the US, we have plenty and number two, build up
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Speaker 1: some courage, go to the street and just take it.
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Speaker 1: You have to start learning how to fight for yourself.
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Speaker 1: The hard part is done. Go get your own oil.
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Speaker 1: And in this press conference this morning, our time he
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Speaker 1: doubled down.
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Speaker 6: We'll be leaving very soon. And if France or some
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Speaker 6: other country wants to get oil or gas, you'll go
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Speaker 6: up through the Strait and Hormoes straight. They'll all right
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Speaker 6: up there and they'll be able to fend for themselves.
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Speaker 6: I think it'll be very safe, actually, But we have
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Speaker 6: nothing to do with it. What happens to the street,
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Speaker 6: We're not going to have anything.
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Speaker 1: To do with it, and are going to say, oh,
20:36
Speaker 1: you know, he broke it and we got to fix it.
20:38
Speaker 1: But Trump's actually called us out for being passengers. Countries
20:41
Speaker 1: like ours, they're not really against destroying this Iaranian regime.
20:45
Speaker 1: You know, they do want to gone. They know it
20:47
Speaker 1: kills its own people, funds, tereist armies, works on nuclear weapons.
20:51
Speaker 1: That was arming itself with more missiles than the West
20:53
Speaker 1: could shoot down. But we hooked on the oil. Did
20:57
Speaker 1: he run is blocking? Without that oil, our economy starves.
21:01
Speaker 1: And that's partly because we bought the global warming scare.
21:05
Speaker 1: We restricted oil and gas developments at home. We banned
21:08
Speaker 1: fracking here in many plant parts of the country. Donald
21:12
Speaker 1: Trump luckily did the opposite. He called the warming scare
21:15
Speaker 1: a hoax. He is a drill, baby drill. He allowed
21:19
Speaker 1: the fracking that has made the US and net fuel
21:21
Speaker 1: exporterer when we have to import ninety percent of our
21:25
Speaker 1: own fuel, much of it from the Middle East, and
21:28
Speaker 1: that means the US it can afford a fight for
21:30
Speaker 1: our freedom and safety. We can't. Britain can't. That's the difference.
21:35
Speaker 1: Join me is the political panel Camera Milner formature for staff,
21:38
Speaker 1: the labor leader Bill Short now Director of GXO Strategies,
21:42
Speaker 1: and Michael Costa, former New South Wales Labor Treasurer. Cameron
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Speaker 1: we need the oil that Iran, not America is blocking.
21:50
Speaker 1: We need that oil America does not, So why should
21:54
Speaker 1: America risk more lars as ships to clear the straight
21:56
Speaker 1: of for moose.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the thing is here at the Australia,
22:01
Speaker 9: the UK, France should stop talking and start doing. Andrew,
22:04
Speaker 9: I mean, that is the oil that our economies rely upon.
22:07
Speaker 9: But the US has locked their own security up. They've
22:09
Speaker 9: got their own national fuel security locked away Venezuela before
22:12
Speaker 9: they went anywhere near Iran, so they're pretty sensible about it.
22:14
Speaker 9: But no, I mean our oil, our fuel crisis in
22:17
Speaker 9: Australia is absolutely because the Stradia rules has been shut
22:20
Speaker 9: by the Iranian terrorist regime, and we should do something
22:23
Speaker 9: about it, and we should have stepped up a long
22:24
Speaker 9: time ago rather seeing one plane and four advisors.
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Speaker 10: Michael cosson, Well, Trump is one hundred percent correct. I mean,
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Speaker 10: the fact of the matter is that, you know, this
22:36
Speaker 10: oil crisis is a function of the fact that we
22:40
Speaker 10: haven't secured our own supplies, and in the face of
22:44
Speaker 10: what I think is one of the most consequential foreign
22:46
Speaker 10: policy decisions has been made since Ronald Reagan, we're screaming that,
22:50
Speaker 10: you know, we've got problems.
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Speaker 11: You know, he's right, by the way, Andrew, I don't
22:55
Speaker 11: believe that what he said today. I think he's deflecting,
22:58
Speaker 11: and I think he is going to take some action
23:00
Speaker 11: in that region. But he's correct about the principle, and
23:03
Speaker 11: he should make that principle. And people like you know,
23:05
Speaker 11: we're developing a Blake Bright in our own country, aren't we,
23:07
Speaker 11: with a hasty criticizing him. I mean, the fact is,
23:11
Speaker 11: you either pay for defending democracy or you sit back
23:15
Speaker 11: and cop everything. And you can complicate that even further
23:18
Speaker 11: by having bad energy policy, which we've done as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's also another thing going on here, Cameron. His
23:29
Speaker 1: attitude there, I think is like a hint of a
23:32
Speaker 1: big move that could break up the westmost powerful defense
23:36
Speaker 1: alliance NATO. You know that's Europe, Canada, and the US
23:40
Speaker 1: a mutual defense pack. Trump and Secretary say Marco Rubio,
23:45
Speaker 1: they are sick, as Michael suggests, of the lack of
23:47
Speaker 1: support they've had from Europe. Here is Marco Rubio when.
23:52
Speaker 12: We need them to allow us to use their military basis?
23:55
Speaker 12: Their answer is no. Then why are we in NATO?
23:58
Speaker 12: You have to ask that question. Why do we have
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Speaker 12: have billions and billions of dollars hundreds of billions of
24:02
Speaker 12: dollars over the years, trillions of dollars and all these
24:05
Speaker 12: American forces are stationed in the region.
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Speaker 1: If we can only.
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Speaker 12: Use we can in our time of need, We're not
24:11
Speaker 12: going to be allowed to use those basis. So I
24:13
Speaker 12: think there's no doubt. Unfortunately, after this conflict is concluded,
24:17
Speaker 12: we're going to have to re examine that relationship. We're
24:20
Speaker 12: going to have to re examine the value of NATO
24:22
Speaker 12: and that alliance.
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Speaker 1: Is this the end of NATO? Cameron? And what would
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Speaker 1: that mean?
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Speaker 9: Well, it's certainly putting it at huge stress, isn't it?
24:31
Speaker 9: Because the French in the UK, in the English especially
24:34
Speaker 9: aren't stepping up, nor the Germans. But the country I
24:36
Speaker 9: feel for most in all of this is Ukraine. I mean,
24:39
Speaker 9: Ukraine's at the bleeding edge of this of this in
24:42
Speaker 9: East West divide with Russia and Russian aggression, and that's
24:45
Speaker 9: what we shouldn't forget. So I think, you know, let's
24:47
Speaker 9: hope that say the heads prevail. Let's hope there's some
24:50
Speaker 9: courage finally in Downing Street. Let's hope that you know
24:54
Speaker 9: that the French finally said one ship or maybe two
24:57
Speaker 9: to do the job. No, we need to, we need
24:59
Speaker 9: to have a conversation about but let's not forget what
25:01
Speaker 9: it was really set up for and what it's really
25:03
Speaker 9: defending into the Western democracy.
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Speaker 1: Michael Well, I'm with Rubio on this. I mean, if
25:10
Speaker 1: they're not prepared.
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Speaker 11: To step up too, as I said, what I think
25:14
Speaker 11: is one of the most significant, most consequential foreign policy
25:18
Speaker 11: events since Ronald Reagan.
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Speaker 10: I mean, what is the point of NATO.
25:22
Speaker 11: They're not prepared to pay their way and Trump's already
25:25
Speaker 11: made that point. They're not prepared even to allow Americans
25:29
Speaker 11: to use their basis. I mean, you've got to ask
25:31
Speaker 11: the question, you know, has it out lived its usefulness?
25:35
Speaker 11: Maybe a new structure needs to be put into place,
25:38
Speaker 11: one that doesn't force America to be the upfront participant
25:42
Speaker 11: in everything with these guys, you know, harping on the
25:45
Speaker 11: side that things are unjust. You know, I've got a
25:47
Speaker 11: lot of sympathy for that position.
25:50
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, Spain and France have closed their
25:52
Speaker 1: airspaces through planes involved in this war. Italy won't even
25:56
Speaker 1: allow the use of a base in Sicily. Initially, Kyosama
26:01
Speaker 1: wouldn't use let Americans use the basis Diego Garcia. I mean,
26:05
Speaker 1: it's extraordinary. They will take the benefit from the Iranian
26:09
Speaker 1: regime being tamed, but they won't lift a finger to
26:12
Speaker 1: help actually help that be achieved. Albaniz, he stayed in
26:16
Speaker 1: to the nation camera and what did you make of it?
26:20
Speaker 9: Well, mister small target became the three minute man. He
26:23
Speaker 9: asked for a national audience and left is completely unsatisfied.
26:26
Speaker 9: I mean, what are you useless? Useless waste of our time.
26:29
Speaker 9: I mean, we are in the middle of a fuel crisis.
26:30
Speaker 9: Everyone reads about it, everyone sees on sky news. We
26:33
Speaker 9: know the facts, and he couldn't even mention the words
26:35
Speaker 9: straight up a muz in his three minute address. I mean,
26:38
Speaker 9: this guy is having a lend of us. And what
26:40
Speaker 9: was worse was he was trying to set up the
26:42
Speaker 9: next blame game. He was basically saying, unless you do
26:44
Speaker 9: something Australians, not me, my government, I've done all I can.
26:47
Speaker 1: Unless you stop using fuel, we're going to have a crisis.
26:50
Speaker 9: That's just setting up a blame voters. Typical elbow. Typical elbow.
26:56
Speaker 9: I didn't even get quite so, Michael. He actually said,
27:00
Speaker 9: feel free. You know, if you hit the road on
27:03
Speaker 9: each the find.
27:04
Speaker 1: Just you know, do as normal. But on the other hand,
27:07
Speaker 1: you got to save st petrol. And what was the
27:09
Speaker 1: message here? There was no message.
27:11
Speaker 11: I mean, look, look, he's a clueless slogan peddler.
27:14
Speaker 10: We've known this from day one.
27:16
Speaker 11: Everybody that's had anything to do with this bloke, you know,
27:19
Speaker 11: and you knew this last week, remember Andrew, he and
27:22
Speaker 11: that dope Bowen, we're out there telling us all to
27:24
Speaker 11: get EV's.
27:25
Speaker 1: You know, we've got.
27:25
Speaker 11: Twenty million registered vehicles in this country and about two
27:28
Speaker 11: percent of those ev he's imagine everybody when now I'm
27:31
Speaker 11: got EV's, if they could, the whole grid would collapse.
27:34
Speaker 11: Look what Australians expected today, wasn't it a bunch of excuses,
27:38
Speaker 11: but a strategy going forward and that strategy has to
27:41
Speaker 11: be What I would have done was called for a
27:42
Speaker 11: National Energy Task Force and start doing the things that
27:45
Speaker 11: we need to do. That is, you know, remove the
27:48
Speaker 11: bands on fracking, remove the bands on exploration for oil,
27:52
Speaker 11: look at the net zero targets. All of those things
27:54
Speaker 11: are the things that needed to be done. That was
27:56
Speaker 11: about him pretending he was doing something and try to
28:00
Speaker 11: sell the twenty sixth censor a later. That's all it was,
28:03
Speaker 11: you know, classic clueless albow slave free.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a free, free, three minute ad on prime
28:12
Speaker 1: time TV. Very cunning, Carra Milder, Michael Costa, Thank you
28:16
Speaker 1: very much to you both. After the break. One Nation's
28:20
Speaker 1: new kind of politicians, including a bloke who drives the
28:23
Speaker 1: ferry up the river from my old hometown. You saw
28:30
Speaker 1: Paul in Hanson earlier. It's actually a good day for
28:33
Speaker 1: a One Nation party. Southa Stray's One Nation leader, former
28:36
Speaker 1: federal Liberal MP Cory Bernardi revealed his winning candidates from
28:41
Speaker 1: the state election that is penning a recount, of course,
28:45
Speaker 1: in one very tight seat One Nation one There are
28:48
Speaker 1: now three one Nation MPs in the Upper House and
28:53
Speaker 1: there are four four in the Lower House. Candidates is
28:57
Speaker 1: varied as a makeup artist, the car and a deputy
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Speaker 1: mayor and a ferry driver on the Murray River at
29:03
Speaker 1: a town not far upstream from where I once lived.
29:07
Speaker 1: Joining me is Ron Dean. It's from Chief of the
29:09
Speaker 1: Spectator Australia, host of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am
29:12
Speaker 1: and host of his own show on Fridays at seven pm.
29:15
Speaker 1: But this is of course as his main gig roan.
29:18
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time.
29:19
Speaker 13: Wouldn't miss it for the world.
29:23
Speaker 1: If we were talking about you know, new labor MPs,
29:27
Speaker 1: the former Party of the Workers, we're talking about you
29:30
Speaker 1: know lawyers, union heavies, party heavies. Should it be more
29:38
Speaker 1: or less confident with the kind of candidates one nation gets.
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Speaker 13: Selected, Well, what a fantastic advertisement for one nation that
29:45
Speaker 13: selection of candidates. You know, the South Australian election has
29:50
Speaker 13: gone superbly for one nation. That list of candidates. What
29:54
Speaker 13: a fantastic, refreshing group of people, from the makeup artist
29:58
Speaker 13: to the ferry driver. Fantastic. I mean ferry drivers are
30:01
Speaker 13: the absolute salt of the earth. And they know exactly
30:05
Speaker 13: the importance of among other things, at Diesel to keep
30:08
Speaker 13: the world moving. I think it's really great that finally
30:12
Speaker 13: we're getting away from all the union hacks of labor
30:17
Speaker 13: and all the kind of political staffers or whatever they're
30:21
Speaker 13: called from the Liberal Party and the Coalition. The whole
30:24
Speaker 13: point of a democracy is you're supposed to be getting
30:27
Speaker 13: everyday people have for want of a better work, people
30:30
Speaker 13: from all walks of life, because that is what makes
30:33
Speaker 13: up the nation. And the can re bubble, I think
30:35
Speaker 13: is one of the great great disasters of Australian political history,
30:39
Speaker 13: the fact that there's this centralization of power and by
30:43
Speaker 13: definition centralization of professions that go into the governing of
30:47
Speaker 13: this country. So full marks to paul In and One
30:51
Speaker 13: Nation for getting a superb group there. Congratulations to them.
30:55
Speaker 13: Let's see more of real Australia represented in our political parties.
30:59
Speaker 13: And if that's you know, the way One Nation is
31:01
Speaker 13: going to go, the I'll go great guns.
31:04
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting the labor of the party that talks
31:07
Speaker 1: endlessly about diversity has never looked as the versus this,
31:11
Speaker 1: not for years. I mean there was a time, of
31:13
Speaker 1: course when one of their prime ministers was an engine driver,
31:16
Speaker 1: So there you go. But that is a long pass.
31:19
Speaker 1: I want to play you eclips by the way of
31:21
Speaker 1: two labor ministers that to me show Rowan exactly why
31:27
Speaker 1: we're in this fuel crisis. You know where here we
31:30
Speaker 1: are sitting on an ocean of oil, but relying on
31:33
Speaker 1: fuel from overseas instead of having our own Australian oil
31:37
Speaker 1: refined Australian refineries. I'll start with NJI Minister Crispond. He
31:41
Speaker 1: was actually answering a question about deliveries from petrol and
31:45
Speaker 1: gas coming from you know, Asian. Now that he ran
31:48
Speaker 1: his block in the straight up formors, you know, are
31:50
Speaker 1: they still coming saying we'd actually be better off with his
31:53
Speaker 1: batteries herees, we.
31:56
Speaker 14: Have now passed three hundred thousand home batteries installed.
32:00
Speaker 1: If you've heard to die.
32:01
Speaker 14: In fact, three hundred thousand, one hundred and eight Solar
32:04
Speaker 14: energy cannot be interrupted by any international dispute.
32:08
Speaker 15: There isn't a global power that can stop us from
32:11
Speaker 15: using the sun and win that we've been gifted.
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Speaker 1: Now the arguments there of Clear O'Neil and Chris Boone
32:18
Speaker 1: that this chaos proves that we should switch more to
32:21
Speaker 1: wind and solar rowan does it do that or does
32:24
Speaker 1: it prove the exact opposite, that this economy actually can't
32:28
Speaker 1: work without fossil fuels.
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Speaker 13: Well, it's disgusting. Both those comments, I mean, labor are
32:34
Speaker 13: disgusting because if you actually had some kind of you know,
32:38
Speaker 13: legal consequence for the things that those characters are saying,
32:42
Speaker 13: If you, as as a person who's going to lose
32:45
Speaker 13: that job because the shelves are empty, or going to
32:47
Speaker 13: lose their job because there's no diesel or no fuel,
32:50
Speaker 13: if you actually had the right to sue the labor
32:52
Speaker 13: government and previous governments, but certainly the individuals responsible for
32:56
Speaker 13: the mess we are in, it would be a very
32:58
Speaker 13: very different story. They are just laughing at genuine hard
33:03
Speaker 13: working Australians who are losing their livelihoods, and this stupid
33:07
Speaker 13: ideology of sun and worship of sun and rain and
33:11
Speaker 13: moon and whatever it is that they're on about with
33:14
Speaker 13: their stupid ideology is crippling this country. What we should
33:18
Speaker 13: have heard from Anthony alban Easy at seven o'clock this
33:20
Speaker 13: evening was that Australia immediately going on to the equivalent
33:24
Speaker 13: of a war footing and energy footing, and we should
33:27
Speaker 13: immediately have been seeking as Michael Costa said, and you've
33:30
Speaker 13: mentioned we're already four weeks too late, but we should
33:33
Speaker 13: have a national goal to be self sufficient in oil
33:37
Speaker 13: and energy by Christmas. That's what we should have. That's
33:39
Speaker 13: what a responsible government would be doing. They would be saying.
33:42
Speaker 13: And I love what Pauline had to say about the
33:45
Speaker 13: tim or Lest oil fields. As I recall, that was
33:48
Speaker 13: one of the so called the reasons the lefts that
33:51
Speaker 13: are back. Howard's only going into Team or Lest to
33:54
Speaker 13: steal the oil reserves.
33:55
Speaker 11: So the oil meals there.
33:57
Speaker 13: We should be talking to the team or Eas today
34:00
Speaker 13: saying we need access to that oil now and working
34:03
Speaker 13: out a strategy to get it. More importantly, we should
34:06
Speaker 13: be saying, as Michael Costa was saying, we need to
34:08
Speaker 13: get fracking. We need to get oil coming out. We have,
34:11
Speaker 13: as you said, we're floating on a sea of it.
34:13
Speaker 13: We need to stick those drills down and get it out.
34:15
Speaker 10: Now.
34:16
Speaker 13: We're already four weeks too late. It doesn't take that
34:19
Speaker 13: long to get to a position, as Donald Trump has
34:21
Speaker 13: proven in America, if you're determined to be energy self sufficient,
34:25
Speaker 13: you will get it. If you're haanging on about wind
34:27
Speaker 13: and sun and stupid ev batteries. Then you are so
34:33
Speaker 13: irresponsible and reckless with the livelihoods of Australians you do
34:36
Speaker 13: not deserve to be in that job. And I do
34:39
Speaker 13: seriously wish there were consequences, legal consequences for the recklessness
34:44
Speaker 13: with which these green climate cultist ideologues have destroyed this
34:50
Speaker 13: nation's energy and prosperity. Personally, I'd be throwing them into prison.
34:54
Speaker 13: So it's just as well I'm modern Parliament, because that's
34:56
Speaker 13: what I would like to see happen, is some kind
34:59
Speaker 13: of a counter ability for the mess this nation is in.
35:02
Speaker 13: We are one of the most resource net rich nations
35:04
Speaker 13: on the planet. We should have that we should be
35:07
Speaker 13: making money out of the fact that the world is
35:09
Speaker 13: now looking for reliable sources of oil to get the
35:13
Speaker 13: Middle East. We should have been the one saying we
35:16
Speaker 13: got plenty of the stuff, come and get buy it
35:17
Speaker 13: from us. And one hundred percent correct. Donald Trump is saying,
35:20
Speaker 13: you people landed yourself in this mess, get yourselves out
35:23
Speaker 13: of it.
35:24
Speaker 1: And we do not have.
35:25
Speaker 13: Anyone, anyone in the government trying to get us out
35:28
Speaker 13: of this mess. It's it's a disgrace. Bring on the
35:31
Speaker 13: next election rapidly as possible.
35:34
Speaker 1: Well, if that's what a former union guy and a
35:39
Speaker 1: former McKinsey partner, a management consultant come up with that nonsense,
35:44
Speaker 1: maybe we should try a ferry driver and a makeup artiststairs,
35:47
Speaker 1: and maybe that will work better. Ninety one percent of
35:51
Speaker 1: the energy used in this country's economy, it comes from
35:55
Speaker 1: fossil fuels, coal, gas oil. And for these people to say, oh,
36:01
Speaker 1: you know, stick some sunshine in your in your tractor
36:04
Speaker 1: or something, or puts it put a battery on the
36:08
Speaker 1: quantus seven four seven is such nonsense, nonsense, Rowendine, thank
36:14
Speaker 1: you so much, indeed for your time, really appreciated. After
36:17
Speaker 1: the break, will Anthony Albanese's addressed to the nation be
36:21
Speaker 1: trump by Donald Trump his own address tomorrow? You know,
36:29
Speaker 1: there is something fascinating about Anthony Abanese's addressed to the nation,
36:34
Speaker 1: that big three minutes of nothing. He arranged to actually
36:39
Speaker 1: do this tonight before he heard or Donald Trump will
36:43
Speaker 1: give his address to his nation at noon tomorrow. Make
36:47
Speaker 1: sure you watch it here on sky should be should
36:51
Speaker 1: have more substance than this one. And here's the thing.
36:55
Speaker 1: What if Trump then declares his ending this war? You know,
36:57
Speaker 1: job done. I'm not saying you will. I mean, who
36:59
Speaker 1: can predict that anything Trump does in fact suspect the opposite.
37:05
Speaker 1: And if he does call an end, how long before
37:07
Speaker 1: the oil flows again? Right? So whatever, But whatever he
37:10
Speaker 1: does say could make Anthony Albanize's address tonight irrelevant or
37:17
Speaker 1: not up to speed, or beside the point. Join me
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Speaker 1: at Caroline de Russo, commentator and president of the West
37:22
Speaker 1: Streian Liberals, and Christy mcsweeneyho has worked for COLORESI, prime
37:25
Speaker 1: ministers and premiers. Christy, you know, given all that, I
37:28
Speaker 1: just wondered, you know whether Albanize he would have been
37:31
Speaker 1: better off giving his address tomorrow night when he would
37:35
Speaker 1: better know whether the war is going on or not,
37:38
Speaker 1: or you know, whether it's escalating. Why would he do
37:41
Speaker 1: it now?
37:44
Speaker 16: I think he's taking the criticism, which I think is
37:46
Speaker 16: fair to lob at the government. They were very slow
37:48
Speaker 16: to start to give Australians certainty and security. And he's
37:53
Speaker 16: also trying to beat this jockeying for leadership from the
37:56
Speaker 16: premiers and with Roger Cooke today has just declared about
38:00
Speaker 16: two hours ago a fuel emergency of state and fuel
38:03
Speaker 16: emergency in Western Australia, and he is cheekily put out
38:08
Speaker 16: to the media that he has. He wrote on Friday
38:11
Speaker 16: to six energy supply companies who supply Western Australia and
38:15
Speaker 16: the rest of the nation and asked them for their
38:19
Speaker 16: commercial information around how much fuel was in their system
38:22
Speaker 16: and what they were distributing it to and where. Now
38:25
Speaker 16: three of those six companies didn't write back. They don't
38:28
Speaker 16: have to, but the Prime Minister can ask them. The
38:32
Speaker 16: government has the power today under the Security of Critical
38:36
Speaker 16: Infrastructure legislation, of which energy and liquid fuel is a
38:40
Speaker 16: critical infrastructure asset, to compel energy companies to give them
38:44
Speaker 16: all the data they need so we can know where
38:47
Speaker 16: distribution and supply is at. That legislation exists.
38:52
Speaker 1: So Roger Cook in Western Australia says, in one swoop
38:57
Speaker 1: without an address to the nation, more than the Prime
39:00
Speaker 1: Minister said in his three minutes to night. Well that's interesting.
39:05
Speaker 1: But honestly, Caroline, what do you make of this? The
39:07
Speaker 1: premise wanted to calm the nation. Are you now calm?
39:12
Speaker 1: You look as cool as a cucumber. It must have worked.
39:17
Speaker 15: No, No, I'm not calm, And in fact I'm probably
39:20
Speaker 15: a little more panic than I was before. And you know,
39:23
Speaker 15: Once it was reported today in the media that there
39:27
Speaker 15: was going to be a national address, there have been
39:30
Speaker 15: lines at fuel stations all around where I live, so
39:34
Speaker 15: I wouldn't be surprised if that there was replicated elsewhere
39:37
Speaker 15: in the country. Look, I don't think it matters whether
39:40
Speaker 15: that speech was given before Donald Trump or after Donald Trump. Frankly,
39:44
Speaker 15: it just shouldn't have been given either. Give a national
39:47
Speaker 15: address that tells people something that actually provides certainty. But
39:52
Speaker 15: that was just dithering twaddle and it sounded more like
39:55
Speaker 15: an oh S briefing that it did a a speech
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Speaker 15: to the nation asking the nation or you know, exhibiting leadership.
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Speaker 15: There was none of it there and it just sounded
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Speaker 15: so dreary and so dull, and in the words of
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Speaker 15: the chaser, could have been an email.
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Speaker 1: Well, I just wonder if I could persuade the national
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Speaker 1: TV networks to give me three minutes to say to
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Speaker 1: the nation how good I am and how people should
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Speaker 1: really respect what I do. I mean seriously and no words.
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Speaker 1: Still I have to say Christy on any plan to
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Speaker 1: ration petrol, even though analysts are saying, well, look that's
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Speaker 1: going to come after the East the break, when if
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Speaker 1: it's going to come. They suggest it probably will when
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Speaker 1: many people, you know, during the East they want to
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Speaker 1: hit the road fair enough, so we've got to wait
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Speaker 1: till we don't further reck tourism business in the country.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, if it's going to go after the break,
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Speaker 1: to say petrol, why wouldn't you introduce it at least
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Speaker 1: suggest that perhaps people don't use petrol during Easter two
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Speaker 1: when they're most likely to go on these long trips.
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Speaker 16: Well it's sort of a real exercise in behavioral economics,
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Speaker 16: isn't it. And you know, us people in marketing, a
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Speaker 16: lot of people think, oh, so we were industry, but
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Speaker 16: we work with behavioral economists all the time and where
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Speaker 16: good at this. And it seems that the government has
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Speaker 16: never spoken to one in their life.
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Speaker 1: I mean, these people.
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Speaker 16: Are available and they will tell you that telling firstly
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Speaker 16: blaming the public for buying fuel when they need it
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Speaker 16: to run their farms and get their kids to school
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Speaker 16: and run their small businesses two weeks ago, and now
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Speaker 16: suggesting we should all be really happy because the government
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Speaker 16: has cut the fuel excise and this was a three
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Speaker 16: minute add for that tonight, And well that puts pard
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Speaker 16: to them attacking the Coalition for repeatingly rolling out their
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Speaker 16: fuel excise policy.
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Speaker 1: They have adopted it, but.
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Speaker 16: It's sort of as humans are going to be humans.
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Speaker 16: Of course, people are going to worry that residual effect
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Speaker 16: of COVID, particularly here in Melbourne, particularly with small businesses
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Speaker 16: and tradees who need the fuel to keep their businesses
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Speaker 16: going and pay their bills.
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Speaker 1: That's got a long tail on it.
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Speaker 16: A lot of that over zealousness of COVID that impacted
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Speaker 16: small businesses and they don't want to be back there again.
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Speaker 1: No, I've got that, but still, you know, I think
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Speaker 1: people would really have appreciated. Look, I've got a blue
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Speaker 1: plan for the future so we never get in this
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Speaker 1: position again. It includes you know, refineries and oil exploration.
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Speaker 1: Did this is what I'm doing on Monday. As for
42:41
Speaker 1: right now, we've got enough petrol. But if you've got
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Speaker 1: the idea that they've got the big picture and the control,
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Speaker 1: then you're more likely to trust them when they say
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Speaker 1: they've got fuel now. So anyway, that's just me. I
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Speaker 1: used to cover a lot of protests, Caroline, you know,
42:54
Speaker 1: as a younger reporter, and found quite often there are
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Speaker 1: a lot of people who just like protests. Thing have
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Speaker 1: to call them professional protests. They didn't care what it
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Speaker 1: was they were protesting about that. I like to get
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Speaker 1: up and about and feel the solidarity. Last Sunday there
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Speaker 1: were so called No King's protests in the US against
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the usual people who can't accept election result.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people there were against the war and
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Speaker 1: he ran. And what was happening to the strait of
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Speaker 1: ho Muz, which is something that some protests thought referred
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Speaker 1: to Iranian heterosexuals, these straits of Hormuz.
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Speaker 13: Listen, isn't it a little bit homophobic that were self
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Speaker 13: focused on the straits of hormus and nuts the gaze
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Speaker 13: of hormus?
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Speaker 9: I agree, yes for sure.
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Speaker 11: Why do you think some willing to leave the gaze
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Speaker 11: of homos behind?
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Speaker 5: I think it's just history.
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Speaker 9: Historically, Like you know, gays have always been very discriminated against,
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Speaker 9: which is wrong on so many levels.
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Speaker 11: Even in war.
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Speaker 1: We are fighting for the gaze of Hormoz right now.
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Speaker 7: In respect to them, they need us to fight for them.
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Speaker 16: I'm with it.
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Speaker 11: Gaze of homus are being attacked.
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Speaker 1: That's not cool, not good. I'm a straight guy, but
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Speaker 1: that's not cool. That guy does a lot of that stuff.
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Speaker 1: Very clever these people though that he was interviewing, do
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Speaker 1: have a vote to Democracy is brilliants in Caroline.
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Speaker 15: Democracy is brilliant. So is freedom of speech actually, so
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Speaker 15: that we actually can know that these people exist and
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Speaker 15: that they can express their views. But what is really
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Speaker 15: interesting when you hear something like that, I mean, it's
44:22
Speaker 15: just it's lobotomized garbage, right, Like we have more information
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Speaker 15: in this day and age, and more accessibility to information
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Speaker 15: than at any time in history, and somehow we appear
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Speaker 15: to becoming less informed and less educated and less understanding.
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Speaker 15: And the gaze of horn moves is right up there
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Speaker 15: with you chanting from the river to the sea and
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Speaker 15: not knowing which river and which sea. But it's wonderful
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Speaker 15: that they do it, because you know, they always talk
44:52
Speaker 15: about these protests and they're big, and there's all these
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Speaker 15: people and whatever. They evidently have no idea what's going on.
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Speaker 15: But then it does bring you to the point and
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Speaker 15: you touched on it. Before these people are allowed to vote,
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Speaker 15: whether they are actually motivated in somewhere like the US
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Speaker 15: to actually go and vote is another story. And you know,
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Speaker 15: you know, you're almost half hope that they self select
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Speaker 15: out of the process. Because they're not really adding to democracy.
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Speaker 15: But that's just the way it goes. That's how we
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Speaker 15: find that's how we find people. And like Winston Churchill said,
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Speaker 15: you know, it's the conversation with the average voter, but
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Speaker 15: everything else is worse than democracy.
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Speaker 1: Carolyn, there are so Christop McSweeney, two women that must
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Speaker 1: try to appeal to people like that in your professional lives.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. Next there's Sherry,
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Speaker 1: hosted by Steve Price. GOODNIGHTE