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Sharri | 28 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is.
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Speaker 2: Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen is fast becoming a political liability. He's rush
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Speaker 3: to renewables has left our energy grid just unable to
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Speaker 3: handle a few warm days. He's been blamed for costing
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Speaker 3: Bill Shot in the twenty nineteen election. Will now he's
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Speaker 3: becoming Peter Dutton's best asset.
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Speaker 2: More on that in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Also coming up on the show, the cost of Living
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Speaker 3: Crisis Far from Over, Economist Warren Hogan will join us
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Speaker 3: with some home truths and Labor MP fom A Labor
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Speaker 3: MP Michael Danby has added to claims that Penny Wong's
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Speaker 3: got a bit of a habit of calling people into
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Speaker 3: our office for a dressing down after they criticized China. Well,
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Speaker 3: Michael will be on the show and he's going to
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Speaker 3: tell us exactly what happened behind.
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Speaker 2: The closed doors. That exclusive coming.
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Speaker 3: Up plas across Live to Israel for an exclusive with
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Speaker 3: a deputy foreign minister. She's fired up over the Albanezy
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Speaker 3: government's refusal to issue a visa to her former colleague,
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Speaker 3: despite the fact they fast tracked nearly three thousand visas
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Speaker 3: for a terrorist controlled war zone. How will Israel hit
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Speaker 3: back at our government. We'll find out a little later,
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Speaker 3: but first, as the energy network clings on by a thread,
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen has sparked outrage by claiming Cole is the
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Speaker 3: biggest threat to reliability.
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Speaker 2: Bowen is an unfortunate energy minister.
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Speaker 3: He was a disaster in the Treasury portfolio.
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Speaker 2: He proposed so.
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Speaker 3: Many controversial taxes that he all about lost Bill Shorten
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Speaker 3: the unlosable election. Now he's a disaster as energy minister
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Speaker 3: and we're all suffering. Chris Bowen has blamed the fact
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Speaker 3: that there was not enough coulified power stations operating yesterday
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Speaker 3: for the perilous supply.
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Speaker 4: The biggest streatch to reliability in our energy system is
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Speaker 4: coal fire power stations.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'd say the biggest threat to reliability in our
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Speaker 3: energy system isn't col fired power stations. It's this bloke,
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen. Let's just reiterate that crucial point again. There
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Speaker 3: was a real risk of blackouts in New South Wales
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Speaker 3: yesterday and Chris Bowen has blamed the fact that.
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Speaker 2: There was not enough coal in the system for this.
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Speaker 2: Not enough coal.
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Speaker 3: When Bowen has spent every waking moment trying to get
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Speaker 3: coal out of Australia's energy system, and now he blames
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Speaker 3: the fact there wasn't enough.
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Speaker 2: Of it and so we had this energy crisis.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is what all the experts have been warning about,
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Speaker 3: rushing the transition to renewables, shutting down colfied power stations
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Speaker 3: when there's not enough storage capacity or alternative baseload power
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Speaker 3: like gas, and thus being left without enough power to
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Speaker 3: run businesses, hospitals and households.
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Speaker 2: The utter audacity of the guy.
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Speaker 3: Here he was this morning with Laura Jays blaming the
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Speaker 3: shortage of coal for the fact we risked blackouts yesterday.
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Speaker 4: And we are building the transmission and the storage and
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Speaker 4: backed by gas speaking when necessary to ensure a reliable system.
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Speaker 4: But here's the thing. The least reliable part of our
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Speaker 4: energy grid at the moment is cal firepower. That's just
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Speaker 4: a statement of fact.
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Speaker 3: Well, the breakdowns are happening because there's been zero investment
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Speaker 3: to extend their life cycle, zero investment in ensuring their
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Speaker 3: ongoing capability.
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Speaker 2: Yes, there were.
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Speaker 3: Colfied power failures yesterday that were partly behind the crisis,
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Speaker 3: which shows just how crucial culfide power is to our
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Speaker 3: energy grid. How the very operation of our country, whether
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Speaker 3: we like it or not, relies at the moment on
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Speaker 3: culifide power, and the ideologues like him have refused to
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Speaker 3: invest in the infrastructure to keep coal up and running
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Speaker 3: for longer. They've rushed and encouraged the closure of colfied
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Speaker 3: power stations. Now, of course, we'd all love to be
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Speaker 3: in an ideal world where we have solely renewable energy
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Speaker 3: that has no carbon impact, but we're far from that
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Speaker 3: scenario and we have to be realistic about it. So
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen rushes the closure of coulfide power stations and
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Speaker 3: then wonders why we don't have enough power to keep
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Speaker 3: the lights on.
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Speaker 2: Now. One of the first things that New.
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Speaker 3: Southewal's premier, Chris Men's did when he won office was
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Speaker 3: to extend the life cycle of the Erarring power station.
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Speaker 3: And here he was explaining a decision that the coalition
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Speaker 3: had opposed in October.
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Speaker 5: We've been very clear, however, that there's a very narrow
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Speaker 5: path for us to walk to transition from coal fired
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Speaker 5: power energy general in the state to renewable energy. That's
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Speaker 5: one of the reasons why we made a decision to
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Speaker 5: keep the IRA in power station open for longer so
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Speaker 5: that we could have a little bit of buffer to
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Speaker 5: get the Central West Irana renewable energy program up and running,
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Speaker 5: as well as all of our other projects in the state.
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Speaker 5: We don't want to see the house, we don't want
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Speaker 5: to see lights go off. We don't want to see
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Speaker 5: prices increase off. They're already high peaks now.
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Speaker 3: Extending the life cycle of the Era and Coulified power
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Speaker 3: station was a move that former Liberal Treasurer and Energy
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Speaker 3: Minister Matt Kean was against, and now Matt Kean is
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen's partner in crime at the Climate Change Authority.
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Speaker 3: But the worst part is this, We've had this near
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Speaker 3: breakdown this week and we're not even in a severe
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Speaker 3: heat wave. It's normal in summer to have hot days.
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Speaker 3: It's hardly a newsflash to say Australia is hot in summer.
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Speaker 2: It's part of the appeal of our country and we're
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Speaker 2: just three days away from summer.
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Speaker 3: This sort of warm weather is precisely what governments and
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Speaker 3: so called energy experts should expect. It's the very nature
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Speaker 3: of our Aussie climate. It shouldn't come as a surprise
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Speaker 3: and then lead to a moment of crisis where everyone
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Speaker 3: is told to turn off their.
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Speaker 2: Dishwashers and their lights. Well.
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Speaker 3: One of the issues with this government is that Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowin is both the Environment and the Energy Minister, two
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Speaker 3: portfolios that are a contradiction in terms. As Energy Minister,
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Speaker 3: his focus should be keeping the lights on, but instead
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Speaker 3: his task is corrupted by putting environmental priorities above the operation.
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Speaker 2: Of our country.
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Speaker 3: This means a rush transition to renewables before the.
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Speaker 2: Infrastructure is in place.
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Speaker 3: As AEMO has warned, the risk of blackouts is now
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Speaker 3: high over summer. One expert economists Poor Broad, who is
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Speaker 3: the former boss of the Snowy Hydro project. He told
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Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph, and I'm quoting now, we've had some
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Speaker 3: really mild summers over the past three or four years.
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Speaker 3: It's hidden the precarious position that our energy sector has
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Speaker 3: got itself into. It's a reflection on some of the
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Speaker 3: really ill considered policies and the rush to close our
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Speaker 3: baseload power plants. He is absolutely spot on. And that
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Speaker 3: article is titled mass blackouts feared as Australia's third World
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Speaker 3: power grid buckles under weight of a raging summer.
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Speaker 2: Now this all has serious political.
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Speaker 3: Consequences because not only are we facing blackouts, but we're
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Speaker 3: paying more for the privilege of having power adages. It's
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Speaker 3: pretty extraordinary for governments to tell families to turn off
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Speaker 3: their air conditioner and not run their appliances in a
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Speaker 3: first world country, and at the same time as power
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Speaker 3: bills are at record high. Now, putting aside the energy rebates,
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton is arguing that after two and a half
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Speaker 3: years of the Albanese government, power prices are up thirty
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Speaker 3: one percent. No voter could possibly forget that. When Anthony
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Speaker 3: Albanese was desperate to become prime minister, he promised over
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Speaker 3: and over again that electricity bills would be two hundred
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Speaker 3: and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 4: Cheaper, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 6: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 6: a year.
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Speaker 7: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
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Speaker 3: The promise was made ninety seven times before the last election,
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Speaker 3: ninety seven times. Now, ahead of the next veneral election,
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton will campaign that this is a major broken
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Speaker 3: promise and that political tactic featured in question time today.
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Speaker 8: My question is to the Minister for Climate Change and
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Speaker 8: Energy next week mark's three years since the now minister
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Speaker 8: first promise Australians their electricity bills will be reduced by
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Speaker 8: two hundred and seventy five dollars if they voted Labor.
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Speaker 8: Earlier today, in a train wreck interview with Sky's Laura Jays,
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Speaker 8: the Minister refused to admit Labor has broken this promise,
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Speaker 8: saying he was quote not walking away from that policy.
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Speaker 8: When will the Minister finally be straight with the Australian
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Speaker 8: and people and admit Labour's two hundred and seventy five
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Speaker 8: dollars Bill Cup promise has been broken now.
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen already lost to Bill Shorten the twenty nineteen election.
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Speaker 3: It was billed as the unlosable election with his radical
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Speaker 3: raft of high taxing policies, and now Chris Bowen could
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Speaker 3: very well help Albanezy lose the next election as more
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Speaker 3: Australians question the lunacy of rushing a transition before the
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Speaker 3: energy system is ready, leaving us vulnerable to blackouts while
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Speaker 3: paying massive energy bills. The Australian Simon Benson reports that
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Speaker 3: community support for the energy transition has fallen by double
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Speaker 3: digits in the past couple of months. Benson writes for
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Speaker 3: alban Easy Bowen will become more of a political liability
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Speaker 3: the longer he has given rain to pedal language that
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Speaker 3: is completely inaccessible to consumers whose priority has become price
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Speaker 3: and reliability. Now, all of this is only going to
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Speaker 3: shift support for Peter Dutton's nuclear energy plan. His nuclear
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Speaker 3: proposal initially seemed highly controversial and politically risky, but now
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Speaker 3: it's looking like it could.
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Speaker 2: Turn out to be a vote winner, a.
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Speaker 3: Solution to the energy madness we find ourselves in.
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Speaker 2: Now, as we've been.
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Speaker 3: Talking about and laughing about for twenty four hours.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: ABC chair Kim Williams has attacked podcaster Joe Rogan after
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Speaker 3: making some uninformed comments at the National Press Club.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 9: I think people like mister Rogan pray on people's vulnerabilities.
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Speaker 9: They pray on fear, they pray on anxiety, they pray
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Speaker 9: on all of the elements that contribute to uncertainty in society.
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Speaker 9: I personally find it deeply repulsive.
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Speaker 2: Repulsive. Well, he couldn't just stop there.
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Speaker 3: Kim Williams also had to show how he was so
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Speaker 3: much more superior to anyone who listened to Joe Rogan's podcast,
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Speaker 3: he said he was above it all.
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Speaker 10: I am not a.
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Speaker 9: Consumer or enthusiast about mister Rogan and his work.
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Speaker 11: Shocking.
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Speaker 9: I am not one of the three billion, and I'm
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Speaker 9: unlikely to be three billion and one anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: Well, there are.
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Speaker 3: Two things wrong with Kim Williams's comments. Firstly, he's just
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Speaker 3: playing wrong. Joe Rogan does in depth, deep dive interviews
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Speaker 3: with some of the most interesting and powerful people in
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Speaker 3: the world. He delves deeply into a subject with literally
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Speaker 3: the world expert in the field. He'll spend three hours
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Speaker 3: getting to know the ins and outs of an individual
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Speaker 3: and what they think about every topic under the sun
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Speaker 3: you can hear directly from.
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Speaker 2: The primary source.
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Speaker 3: He interrogates them in a way that mostly in the
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Speaker 3: mainstream media we just don't have the time to do
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Speaker 3: in a ten minute interview. Joe Rogan spent three hours,
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Speaker 3: as you know, interviewing Donald Trump during the election campaign,
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Speaker 3: with questions like this.
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Speaker 10: What was it like when you actually got in Because
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Speaker 10: nobody really can prepare you for that when you're running
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Speaker 10: for president, you don't really know what it's going to
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Speaker 10: be like when you actually get into office. You're in there,
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Speaker 10: you have ten thousand appointments you have to make, so
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Speaker 10: you're getting advice from people. Will at one point, did
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Speaker 10: you have a moment in time where you realize, like,
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Speaker 10: these are bad choices, Like some of these people I
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Speaker 10: shouldn't have had in There are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct,
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Speaker 10: Like look about the VP oil spill. There's a lot
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Speaker 10: of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating, and
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Speaker 10: you want to mitigate that as much as possible.
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Speaker 5: You do.
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Speaker 3: Look, I mean, just in recent times alone, Joe Rogan
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Speaker 3: has had Donald Trump, Elon Musk, the successful startup investor,
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Speaker 3: Mark Anderson, a US Special Forces veteran actor, Josh Brolin,
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Speaker 3: a world leading DJ, then long form interviews. So when
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Speaker 3: Kim Williams claims that Joe Rogan prays on people's fear,
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Speaker 3: he simply doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Speaker 2: He hasn't listened.
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Speaker 3: The comments he made are pre judging something he knows
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Speaker 3: nothing about. They are only what he assumes Joe Rogan's
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Speaker 3: podcast is like, and it's nothing of the sort. But
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Speaker 3: my second issue with what Kim Williams said is just
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Speaker 3: how patronizing. It is how he thinks he's better than
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Speaker 3: billions of people around the world. He's made no secret
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Speaker 3: of the fact he loves classical music and opera, and
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Speaker 3: clearly he thinks his tastes are more refined than most people's.
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Speaker 2: This arrogance is ill.
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Speaker 3: Befitting the chair of Australia's taxpayer funded broadcaster. It's precisely
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Speaker 3: why people are so fed up with media institutions and politicians.
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Speaker 3: They think they're better than everyone else. Opera is not
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Speaker 3: better than Joe Rogan.
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Speaker 2: It's just not.
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Speaker 3: The ABC should benefit all consumers, not just the opera
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Speaker 3: loving elite.
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Speaker 2: All right, never had a cut befel.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in now Sky News host James McPherson and
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Speaker 3: commentated Jason Morrison, welcome to you, Glide.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Jason? I mean, this is just
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Speaker 2: pure smugness, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: It is it is, but it's right to the brain.
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Speaker 6: I mean he talks about, you know, Rogan praying on
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Speaker 6: the insecurities of people.
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Speaker 11: Are the ABC?
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Speaker 6: I don't see Rogan framing up soldiers and adding things
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Speaker 6: in to make them look like war criminals. The ABC
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Speaker 6: has got some problems and the public is voting with
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Speaker 6: its remote. I mean last night television ratings eight hundred
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Speaker 6: thousand people around Australia, eight hundred thousand only that many
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Speaker 6: tuned into the ABC's TV news. It puts it below seven,
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Speaker 6: below nine. It puts it sort of where Channel ten is.
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Speaker 6: It's failing, and it's failing because it's not doing what
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Speaker 6: people want. So he sits there and they all were,
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Speaker 6: you know, ha haharing about Joe Rogan.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they thought it was fantastic.
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Speaker 6: The problem with it is Joe Rogan's We've got to
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Speaker 6: staff of what five I mean more people work on
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Speaker 6: media watch that work on Rogan's program. And you know,
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Speaker 6: this is the thing the ABC does not get. It's
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Speaker 6: doing something people don't want anymore.
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Speaker 11: That's why they're not watching you.
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Speaker 6: And it doesn't help when you know a so called chairman,
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Speaker 6: that's his approach to it is to belittle what the
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Speaker 6: audiences are turning to at the moment. I don't get
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Speaker 6: how they can't.
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Speaker 3: Learn this is part of the election outcome in the US.
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Speaker 2: James.
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Speaker 3: It's because there's this elite attitude that people are rejecting
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Speaker 3: Joe Rogan. We don't agree with every of his and
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Speaker 3: He's not a right wing firebrand by the way, He's
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Speaker 3: a contrarian, has different positions on things. I don't agree
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Speaker 3: with him on Israel, for example, but he interviews people
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Speaker 3: for hours at a time.
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Speaker 2: How can anyone object to that?
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean it's amazing, isn't I think this is
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Speaker 7: why Kim Williams doesn't like Joe Rogan, because Kim Williams
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Speaker 7: has access to more than a billion dollars a year
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Speaker 7: and you can't get near the audience all the influence
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Speaker 7: of Joe Rogan. Who's what his qualification is. He used
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Speaker 7: to be involved in World Federation wrestling. No wonder Kim
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Speaker 7: Williams is jealous. You mentioned the Trump interview. I mean,
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Speaker 7: prior to that interview, Trump was hitler. Trump was a fascist.
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Speaker 7: But Joe Rogan allowed Donald Trump to sit and talk
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Speaker 7: for three hours. We should note Kamala Harris didn't want
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Speaker 7: to talk for three hours because three hours is too long.
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Speaker 7: She was, but she made excuses to get out of
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Speaker 7: it because three hours is too long to stick to
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Speaker 7: your talking points, which she would have done. But over
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Speaker 7: three hours, people listened and found that Donald Trump wasn't
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Speaker 7: a madman. He wasn't crazy Now you might not have
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Speaker 7: agreed with him, but he wasn't the hitler or the
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Speaker 7: fascist he was being painted to be. And the Joe
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Speaker 7: Rogan interview really changed things up for the US election.
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Speaker 7: I got to say, when Kim Williams started talking about
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Speaker 7: media that was malevolent and you know, played on people's
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Speaker 7: fears and anxieties, I thought he was talking about the
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Speaker 7: ABC with their climate.
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Speaker 2: Change cover exactly. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about Chris Bowen because this
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Speaker 3: has been a very big story this week. Jason, we
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Speaker 3: faced blackouts. He's blaming Cole the fact that there wasn't
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Speaker 3: enough of it yesterday, and yet he's been rushing to
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Speaker 3: get Cole out of the system.
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Speaker 6: Yes, pretty amazing. Look as the sun moved from its
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Speaker 6: peak and started to drift towards the horizon as it
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Speaker 6: does at that end of the day. He can only
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Speaker 6: be thankful that at about four o'clock yesterday, supplied demand
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Speaker 6: demand significantly dropped in New South Wales, probably because they
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Speaker 6: put a few phone calls into a few big users
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Speaker 6: of energy and said can you just shut down? We
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Speaker 6: are eft And that is the truth. If they had
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Speaker 6: kept demand up, we would have run out because the
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Speaker 6: sun stopped shining and the coal was all that did.
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Speaker 6: But you know, New South Wales and I guess I
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Speaker 6: talk about news my place, but New South Wales should
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Speaker 6: be thankful that Queensland still has common sense and Victoria
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Speaker 6: still has enough of it despite all that's gone on
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Speaker 6: in there politically. Over the history of the last ten years,
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Speaker 6: New South Wales has closed all of its coal generation
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Speaker 6: down bar a few Queensland's kept it going and thank
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Speaker 6: god Victoria has burnt brown coal, the dirtiest of the lot,
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Speaker 6: or we wouldn't have had power yesterday.
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Speaker 2: And that's the truth.
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Speaker 6: And you know, it's the kind of Matt Keane generation,
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Speaker 6: the teenage advisors that have got into the heads of
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Speaker 6: people like that. And now we're seeing Bowen do disastrous
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Speaker 6: things as well that are leaving us with this crisis.
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Speaker 6: Everyone has known we're going to have extra demand for
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Speaker 6: electricity because we know what life is like. We also
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Speaker 6: know we have a huge population growth going on at
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Speaker 6: the moment.
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Speaker 2: Exactly put them all together.
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Speaker 6: The lines are crossing and they're failing.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's big immigration policy putting pressure not just
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Speaker 3: on the housing crisis that the housing supply, but also
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Speaker 3: of course.
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Speaker 2: In electricity grid. But what James this idea? Right?
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Speaker 3: We're in first world country, it developed country, Australia, and
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Speaker 3: we have to time when we run the dishwasher if
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Speaker 3: we have a dishwasher, or time when we put the
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Speaker 3: egg ondish one if we have one, or don't put
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Speaker 3: it on as cold as you might want to.
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Speaker 7: If you'd told me fifteen years ago that in twenty
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Speaker 7: twenty four we'll be rationing electricity, I would have thought,
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Speaker 7: what disaster, befell us. I would have imagined, no disaster,
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Speaker 7: just Chris Bowen, which I suppose, as you poured out
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Speaker 7: in your brilliant editorial, is kind of a disaster. Chris
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Speaker 7: Mins made a brilliant point when he told Sydney siders
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Speaker 7: from three pm, can you please turn off all your alliances?
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Speaker 7: Because he said at three pm solar really doesn't produce
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Speaker 7: much energy. It's also the same time everyone is arriving home. Well,
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Speaker 7: he just rang the bell, didn't he That's what we've
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Speaker 7: been saying. Solar is wonderful, but it doesn't supply power
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Speaker 7: when most people are using it. So it's absolutely unbelievable
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Speaker 7: that as a first world country we're being told don't
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Speaker 7: use your dishwasher, don't wash your clothes, try not to
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Speaker 7: put the air con on. And Chris Bowen said, it's
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Speaker 7: a severe heat wave. I mean it was twenty eight
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Speaker 7: degrees in Port mcquarie, it was thirty two in the
20:32
Speaker 7: city center, it was thirty nine in Penrith. But you
20:34
Speaker 7: deserve that if you live in Penrith. I mean, that's
20:37
Speaker 7: hardly a heat If it was, it's summer.
20:40
Speaker 3: It wasn't a severe him Bowen is from Fairfield.
20:43
Speaker 6: He's from Fairfield in Sydney. You know, Fairfield in Sydney
20:47
Speaker 6: is right at the peak of the West. He knows
20:49
Speaker 6: yesterday wasn't a hot day. He knows it didn't even
20:52
Speaker 6: come close to it exactly. And you know I heard
20:54
Speaker 6: Barnaby Joyce say earlier that, you know, when he was
20:56
Speaker 6: in Queensland round Saint George in Queensland, you used to
20:59
Speaker 6: have fought nights over forty You know, this is not.
21:02
Speaker 11: A shock to Australia. What's going on.
21:04
Speaker 6: And some of the dimwits in the Australian media who
21:07
Speaker 6: kind of used phrases like extreme heat and heat wave
21:09
Speaker 6: and all that bullshit, it just does not match reality.
21:13
Speaker 6: And we're unfortunately letting these clowns get away with it.
21:16
Speaker 6: They should actually be put on trial for what they
21:18
Speaker 6: have done to our country, not rewarded with positive spin.
21:22
Speaker 3: It's such a mess and this is just another one
21:24
Speaker 3: of them. I'm going to say it again. Albotrocities came
21:27
Speaker 3: up with that tra last week.
21:28
Speaker 2: Albatrocities.
21:29
Speaker 3: This energy crisis is just another one on the list
21:32
Speaker 3: of albatrosities, and it's going to turn people off him
21:35
Speaker 3: ahead of the next election. I really don't want to
21:37
Speaker 3: talk about Lydia Thorpe because I just can't stand watching her.
21:42
Speaker 2: It just makes me so annoyed.
21:44
Speaker 3: But I feel like we can't ignore it because it
21:45
Speaker 3: was such a big story in Canberra. Today she pulled
21:49
Speaker 3: another one of her tiresome stunts.
21:51
Speaker 2: She stormed up to the.
21:52
Speaker 3: Press gallery in the Senate after being banned from the
21:55
Speaker 3: Senate so she wanted to still make herself heard and
21:58
Speaker 3: she was repast.
22:01
Speaker 4: I call the clerk, I call the clerk.
22:12
Speaker 2: I mean, she just couldn't help herself, James.
22:14
Speaker 3: She just is desperate for attention and it's so frustrating
22:18
Speaker 3: to think she's still going to be a Senator until
22:20
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight.
22:21
Speaker 10: Yeah.
22:21
Speaker 7: I watched an interview with her on the ABC this morning,
22:24
Speaker 7: and what got my attention was that over the course
22:26
Speaker 7: of four and a half minutes of an interview, she
22:28
Speaker 7: used the word racism or racist seventeen times. That's once
22:32
Speaker 7: every fifteen seconds. And remember this all began in reference
22:36
Speaker 7: to Pauline Hanson questioning Senator Payman's eligibility to sit in
22:41
Speaker 7: the Senate, which is the same question that was raised
22:43
Speaker 7: of Barnaby Joyce. It wasn't racist then, but now it's
22:47
Speaker 7: suddenly racist, and Lydia Thorpe just continually uses race as
22:51
Speaker 7: an excuse to, you know, exercise the most appalling behavior
22:55
Speaker 7: that would never be tolerated by anyone else. I should
22:58
Speaker 7: point out that not once did the ABC viewers pull
23:01
Speaker 7: her up over this allegation of racism. They allowed her
23:04
Speaker 7: to get away with it. And that's a big reason
23:05
Speaker 7: why Lydia Thorpe has been allowed to continue like this,
23:08
Speaker 7: because the mainstream media don't pick her up and call
23:12
Speaker 7: her out for her behavior.
23:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so surprising because there hasn't been any racism
23:17
Speaker 3: against her. People's objections have got nothing to do with
23:20
Speaker 3: her race and or to do with her conduct.
23:23
Speaker 6: Look, she's not quite right, you know, I mean, look
23:26
Speaker 6: at it, you know. And I know you're worried about
23:29
Speaker 6: me saying something diffamatory here, so I will minimize my
23:31
Speaker 6: discussion here. But I think that is the best way
23:34
Speaker 6: of dealing with it. She's not right and she shouldn't
23:37
Speaker 6: be in the House. And what should shock the hell
23:40
Speaker 6: out of Australia is she's there until June twenty eight.
23:44
Speaker 6: She's not even halfway through the term. Yet she's there
23:47
Speaker 6: for as long as Matt Canavan is there. You know,
23:50
Speaker 6: there's reality, Australia. That's what you got, That's what your
23:53
Speaker 6: Parliament's delivered you.
23:54
Speaker 2: The Senate is not pretty at all, all right.
23:57
Speaker 3: Jason Morrison, James McPherson, James, will see you back at
24:00
Speaker 3: ten o'clock tonight, late debate, don't miss it.
24:02
Speaker 2: Thank you.
24:04
Speaker 3: Well, let's turn to the inflation data this week. It
24:07
Speaker 3: has been a shock for mortgage holders as well as
24:09
Speaker 3: the Albanezy government. Underlying inflation this is the RBA's preferred
24:15
Speaker 3: measure has risen to three point five percent for the
24:18
Speaker 3: month of October. Now, let's bring in to discuss this.
24:21
Speaker 3: Judo Bank Chief Economist Warren Hogan. Warren, great to see
24:25
Speaker 3: you again. Look your reading of these CPI figures, it
24:29
Speaker 3: seems like the cost of living crisis is far from over.
24:31
Speaker 2: What do you think?
24:33
Speaker 12: Yeah, Hi, Sherry, thanks for having me on the show.
24:35
Speaker 12: Exactly right. The headline numbers are obviously heavily distorted by
24:39
Speaker 12: these government subsidies, particularly the energy subsidian. While that is
24:43
Speaker 12: obviously assistance with cost of living, it's a very different
24:47
Speaker 12: thing to inflation, and that's a process in the economy
24:50
Speaker 12: that puts pressure on all prices. And of course these
24:53
Speaker 12: figures highlight that while headline inflation was only up two
24:56
Speaker 12: point one, core inflation, underlining inflation is probably more like
25:00
Speaker 12: three point five. We're even a bit higher because that
25:02
Speaker 12: number is also slightly affected by these subsidies, So it's
25:06
Speaker 12: not a disaster. It highlights that inflation is gradually coming
25:10
Speaker 12: down in this country, pretty much in line with what
25:13
Speaker 12: the RBA is forecasting. But that doesn't give us any
25:16
Speaker 12: wiggle room for rate cuts anytime soon.
25:20
Speaker 3: And that's before we've seen, you know, the pre election
25:23
Speaker 3: spending that the Albanezi government is likely to do if
25:27
Speaker 3: they do hand out pre election sweetness, and we know
25:29
Speaker 3: Albaneze is going to be inclined to do this, to
25:31
Speaker 3: try and win over voters who are deserting him, and
25:34
Speaker 3: the polls show that they are. How much pressure would
25:37
Speaker 3: this put on inflation.
25:40
Speaker 12: Well, I think it's a real problem for the economy
25:42
Speaker 12: because we're going to see evidence next week of GDP
25:47
Speaker 12: growth picking up, and we're seeing this in a range
25:50
Speaker 12: of indicators that the economy sort of isn't sort of
25:53
Speaker 12: dead and buried as some people would like to think.
25:56
Speaker 12: It's actually on an improve We're generating jobs, and we're
25:59
Speaker 12: seeing the first green shoots of recovery and consumer spending,
26:03
Speaker 12: and that will probably take us into next year. And
26:05
Speaker 12: if we get a lot of government spending on top
26:07
Speaker 12: of that, and this all happens before inflation is under control, well,
26:11
Speaker 12: the worst cases, of course, inflation picks up again and
26:14
Speaker 12: we have to see rate rises and that would really
26:17
Speaker 12: risk a recession. So this is a critical period for
26:19
Speaker 12: the economy and the last thing that's going to need
26:22
Speaker 12: is more government stimulus in the form of short term handouts.
26:28
Speaker 3: We've also seen suggestions this week that our living standards
26:30
Speaker 3: are worse than during the past four recessions. How do
26:34
Speaker 3: you think families are feeling this in terms of household
26:37
Speaker 3: disposable income?
26:42
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, it's quite clear in the data that the
26:45
Speaker 12: standard of living impact of this post COVID adjustment is
26:49
Speaker 12: much more severe here than in most countries. And of
26:52
Speaker 12: course this is essentially people being able to get less
26:55
Speaker 12: with their income and they're feeling it. Everyone's feeling it
26:59
Speaker 12: around discretionary and the little luxuries of life. But then
27:03
Speaker 12: now it's to a point where it's really hurting some
27:06
Speaker 12: some households of the essentials and we're seeing this, I
27:10
Speaker 12: think showing up in a range of social measures around
27:15
Speaker 12: people needing the food bank, needing support and of course
27:18
Speaker 12: banks having to provide special considerations. So it's because this
27:21
Speaker 12: is dragging on. It's because it's been going on for
27:24
Speaker 12: so long, and it's because we're unwilling to address the
27:27
Speaker 12: problem head on, not raise rates enough, or government's not
27:30
Speaker 12: spend and that's elongating this and dragging it all out.
27:35
Speaker 3: I mean, you just said then you know that it's
27:37
Speaker 3: more severe than in most other countries. We have seen
27:40
Speaker 3: some comparisons to other OECD nations where Australia isn't faring
27:46
Speaker 3: as well in the inflation fight and as well in
27:49
Speaker 3: the household disposable income.
27:51
Speaker 2: I mean, just how much worse off, are we.
27:55
Speaker 13: Yeah.
27:55
Speaker 12: I mean, look, there's a range of context on this,
27:57
Speaker 12: and it needs to be in the context that we're
28:00
Speaker 12: we got to over the last thirty years was one
28:02
Speaker 12: of the wealthiest nations on earth, and then the spendethon
28:07
Speaker 12: that was the sort of immediate aftermath of the pandemic
28:11
Speaker 12: also needs to be considered. But the reality is is
28:14
Speaker 12: that the backward step we've taken is somewhere around eight
28:19
Speaker 12: to ten percent, whereas most countries it's more like five. Now,
28:22
Speaker 12: we've also done better in employment than most countries, so
28:27
Speaker 12: more people have got jobs. But as part of that process,
28:32
Speaker 12: we haven't raised interest rates and therefore allowed this inflation
28:35
Speaker 12: to hit everyone. So we're sort of everyone's paying the
28:38
Speaker 12: price to ensure that employment continues to grow, is one
28:41
Speaker 12: way to look at it. But of course everyone is
28:44
Speaker 12: paying that price, and of course it also means other
28:47
Speaker 12: things like higher interest rates for longer and of course
28:50
Speaker 12: the other one which people don't talk about enough is
28:52
Speaker 12: bracket creep and a higher income tax burden, which I
28:55
Speaker 12: think really hurting people out there. And I don't think
28:58
Speaker 12: it's right that it's a hidden of a tax increase
29:01
Speaker 12: that people don't fully understand.
29:02
Speaker 2: No, one hundred percent.
29:04
Speaker 3: And you know, I never understand why our tax system
29:08
Speaker 3: isn't linked the tax rates aren't linked to CPI like
29:12
Speaker 3: they are in many other parts.
29:15
Speaker 2: Of the world. I mean this should be adjusted, shouldn't it.
29:18
Speaker 12: Yeah, Well, about half the world's advanced economies have this indexation.
29:23
Speaker 12: And I think that the mythology in this country is, well,
29:27
Speaker 12: the Labor Party likes to spend it and the Liberal
29:29
Speaker 12: Party likes to give you a tax cut every sort
29:31
Speaker 12: of five to ten years and make you feel like
29:33
Speaker 12: they're doing something for you. But there is an economic
29:36
Speaker 12: reality to this that we're seeing in this inflation episode,
29:40
Speaker 12: which of course in the last thirty years of low
29:42
Speaker 12: inflation wasn't as critical because it wasn't as obvious. But
29:45
Speaker 12: we are in a more inflationary world and I think
29:47
Speaker 12: this has to be addressed because the size of government
29:49
Speaker 12: in this country is getting to new record levels and
29:52
Speaker 12: I am very concerned about that.
29:54
Speaker 3: It would be a good election announcement for Peter Dutton
29:57
Speaker 3: and a good election promise for him to say that
29:59
Speaker 3: he will a rest this issue, because you're right, bracket
30:02
Speaker 3: creep eats up the wage growth that we have seen
30:04
Speaker 3: under labor all right, Warren Hogan, thank you very much
30:07
Speaker 3: for your time. Now still to calm the Albanese government's
30:11
Speaker 3: mad scrambling Canberra doing a deal with the devil to
30:14
Speaker 3: pass legislation, plus will cross live to Israel with the
30:17
Speaker 3: Deputy Foreign Minister. Now she is fired up at the
30:20
Speaker 3: Albanese government after its snub of a former Israeli politician
30:25
Speaker 3: that exclusive right after.
30:26
Speaker 2: The break breaking news.
30:32
Speaker 3: This afternoon, a second man has been arrested in connection
30:35
Speaker 3: with the anti Semitic vandalism across Sydney.
30:38
Speaker 2: This is in Wallara.
30:39
Speaker 3: A nineteen year old man, Thomas Thomas Stosanovski, was arrested
30:44
Speaker 3: at his home today in Arncliffe in Sydney. He was
30:48
Speaker 3: charged with twenty one offenses, fourteen of them relating to
30:51
Speaker 3: destruction or damage to property. He was also charged with
30:54
Speaker 3: behaving in an offensive manner and disguising his face with
30:58
Speaker 3: an intent to commit an indictable offense. Now, at the
31:02
Speaker 3: same time as this anti semitism is unfolding in Sydney,
31:06
Speaker 3: the Albanezy government has been weak and limp, and worse,
31:10
Speaker 3: they've offended Israel by refusing to issue a visa to
31:14
Speaker 3: a former Israeli minister i Let Shaked, even though she
31:18
Speaker 3: has family here and came here without issue in March
31:21
Speaker 3: last year, and nothing has changed since then except October seven.
31:27
Speaker 2: Israel is pretty furious about this.
31:30
Speaker 3: On Tuesday night, i Let, in an exclusive interview, told
31:34
Speaker 3: me she expected that big consequences.
31:38
Speaker 13: I think your Minister of Interior should be shame of himself.
31:42
Speaker 13: That is just trying, you know, to impress a radical
31:48
Speaker 13: Muslim minority and instead, you know, is hurting the feeling
31:53
Speaker 13: of the Jewish community in Israel and the relationship with Israel.
31:57
Speaker 2: You know, I spoke with.
31:59
Speaker 13: The Minister of falling a Fersonism and with the ambassador,
32:03
Speaker 13: and definitely there will be consequences to this brutal act.
32:10
Speaker 3: So her visa refusal is despite the Albanesi government fast
32:14
Speaker 3: tracking visas for nearly three thousand gardens from a terrorist.
32:17
Speaker 2: Controlled war zone.
32:19
Speaker 3: Well, now for an exclusive interview, let's bring in Israel's
32:22
Speaker 3: Deputy Foreign Minister Charen Haskell. Scharen, congratulations in your promotion.
32:28
Speaker 2: What is your.
32:28
Speaker 3: Response to this hostile, hostile move by the Albanesi government.
32:34
Speaker 14: Well, this actions is completely unacceptable, especially between countries who supposed.
32:42
Speaker 1: To be allies. I mean, there is.
32:45
Speaker 14: No justification for this offensive action and for me personally,
32:51
Speaker 14: you know, I'm worried about that kind of decision and
32:55
Speaker 14: I think it should travel any Australian citizen.
32:59
Speaker 1: Look, I views political views are not very different than I.
33:04
Speaker 1: Yel It's one.
33:05
Speaker 14: I was a resident of Australia and if iel It
33:08
Speaker 14: comes to Australia to have a discussion, this should be
33:14
Speaker 14: a concern for every citizen and his freedom of speech
33:19
Speaker 14: or freedom of information to hear a different opinion. And
33:23
Speaker 14: the government is restricting people from coming and voicing a
33:28
Speaker 14: different opinion.
33:29
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's silencing it.
33:32
Speaker 14: And you know it is very concerning for us and
33:35
Speaker 14: should concern the Australian citizens too.
33:39
Speaker 3: When Ilet as you just heard there said that there'll
33:42
Speaker 3: be consequences, will there be a political response from Israel?
33:49
Speaker 14: Look, there isn't a political response that we have initiated
33:55
Speaker 14: or discussed. It's not it's not on our table at
33:59
Speaker 14: the point. We are concerned. We are very disappointed. I
34:05
Speaker 14: know that some people may have implied that there is
34:08
Speaker 14: certain measures that will be taken.
34:11
Speaker 1: There isn't one. Because actually we see.
34:13
Speaker 14: Australia as one of our allies and we hope that
34:17
Speaker 14: this current government is not taking steps to try and
34:22
Speaker 14: break this alliance and this.
34:24
Speaker 1: True friendship that goes years and years back.
34:29
Speaker 3: There's now a ceasefire in place with Hesbella just announced
34:33
Speaker 3: over the next sixty days, Israel is going to withdraw
34:36
Speaker 3: from southern Lebanon and terrorists are going to have to
34:39
Speaker 3: leave the area south of the Tiny River. I mean, this,
34:42
Speaker 3: of course, is just a return to the two thousand
34:45
Speaker 3: and six UN Security Agreement seventeen oh one that was
34:48
Speaker 3: breached by Hesballa in October eight last year. Do you
34:52
Speaker 3: have any confidence they won't breach it again?
34:56
Speaker 14: Well, I'm very skeptic, sharing and as most Israelis were
35:01
Speaker 14: going into this ceasefire with many concerns. I mean, the
35:07
Speaker 14: agreement is trying to break the Iranian occupation in Lebanon
35:13
Speaker 14: and bring back the Lebanese military into their posts instead
35:17
Speaker 14: of a terrorist organization funded and managed by Iran. The
35:22
Speaker 14: reality is that the international community throughout years they were
35:27
Speaker 14: in charge of ensuring that riz Balan cannot take it
35:32
Speaker 14: cannot arm itself, and cannot build postal post a security
35:36
Speaker 14: threat on our citizens, on our people. And the fact
35:41
Speaker 14: is the amount of ammunition and tunnels that we have
35:45
Speaker 14: found in the border area, some of them next to
35:49
Speaker 14: the Unified. The United Nations forces who were meant to
35:53
Speaker 14: keep our security were built next to them, shows us
35:58
Speaker 14: that they actually plan at ten times worst Seventh of
36:04
Speaker 14: October massacre towards our communities. And the failure of the
36:12
Speaker 14: international community in enforcing the agreement puts US at many
36:21
Speaker 14: concerns about this currency is fire, and that's why we've
36:24
Speaker 14: repeatedly said that it's not about the sections or what's
36:30
Speaker 14: written in this agreement. It's mainly about enforcement and whether
36:35
Speaker 14: the Lebanese Army will be able to enforce its rule
36:39
Speaker 14: against Chris baland against Iran. And if there will be
36:44
Speaker 14: any violation, we will not hold back anymore.
36:47
Speaker 1: They will be and there needs.
36:49
Speaker 14: To be a direct respond to every attack or any
36:54
Speaker 14: breach of this ceasefire, any breach of the agreement.
36:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, just eleven his army, but the United Nations should
37:02
Speaker 3: be enforcing this as well. And the UN didn't when
37:05
Speaker 3: it was breached on October eight, and never said a
37:08
Speaker 3: word the whole year until Israel started responding.
37:11
Speaker 2: And then suddenly everyone was up in arms.
37:12
Speaker 3: Ceasfire, seas fire, But where was the ceasefire when Hasbela
37:15
Speaker 3: was firing rockets into Israel.
37:17
Speaker 14: Anyway, Absolutely, and more so, it is the international community
37:22
Speaker 14: who for a year, a whole year, promised us in
37:25
Speaker 14: Israel that they will reach a diplomatic agreement so that
37:29
Speaker 14: we don't need to go into a war with Levenon.
37:31
Speaker 1: We did not.
37:32
Speaker 14: Wanted that war. We tried everything to try and prevent
37:36
Speaker 14: the store. But the international community failed us again when
37:40
Speaker 14: they promised us a diplomatic solution, and for a whole year,
37:43
Speaker 14: our communities were burnt, destroyed, Our children were murdered like
37:48
Speaker 14: the twelve Drew children up in the northern border.
37:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and many more people.
37:54
Speaker 3: All right, sure, and Haskell really appreciate your time again.
37:57
Speaker 3: Congratulations and your promotion to Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel.
38:01
Speaker 3: Now still to come. Pennywog under fire over our attitude
38:05
Speaker 3: to China. Michael Danby was hold into her office after
38:08
Speaker 3: criticizing Beijing and he was given a dressing down. He
38:12
Speaker 3: joins me to speak about this a little later. Plus,
38:15
Speaker 3: the social media band for Kids looks to pass the
38:17
Speaker 3: Senate tonight. I'll speak about it with Gemmatognini and Sam
38:21
Speaker 3: Crosby next. Welcome back. Well, it was chaos in Canberra today,
38:29
Speaker 3: the Albanese government scrambling to ram thirty six major bills
38:32
Speaker 3: through the Senate on what's meant to be the final
38:35
Speaker 3: parliamentary sitting day of the year. Now, there were two
38:38
Speaker 3: guillotine bills, with the Green supporting the second motion in
38:41
Speaker 3: exchange for a string of concessions, and Labor can now
38:45
Speaker 3: say they've passed twenty seven bills. But there are questions
38:49
Speaker 3: over whether it's right to limit debate on so many.
38:53
Speaker 2: Pieces of legislation.
38:55
Speaker 3: And to answer that, I'm joined now by GT Communications
38:57
Speaker 3: founder Gemmatognini and Sky News contributor Sam Crosby.
39:01
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both. Jemma, what do you think about
39:03
Speaker 2: what we saw in Cambridge today.
39:05
Speaker 15: It's shameful and the Australian people got short changed. Of course,
39:08
Speaker 15: it's not right to guillotine those bills. Of course, it's
39:11
Speaker 15: not right to stymy debate on legislation. It is absolutely
39:16
Speaker 15: the one to eighty degrees from what the Senate is
39:20
Speaker 15: there to do, from what the houses are there to do.
39:22
Speaker 15: They are there to formulate legislation that is fit for purpose,
39:27
Speaker 15: and the Senate, in theory is supposed to be full
39:30
Speaker 15: of fine minds and pure souls who review legislation to
39:34
Speaker 15: ensure that it is there to benefit you and I
39:37
Speaker 15: who let's remember, pay the bills, pay the wages of
39:40
Speaker 15: these people. Unfortunately, I find myself agreeing with mister Keating,
39:43
Speaker 15: it's become unrepresentative. Swill Well.
39:47
Speaker 3: One of the bills that's in the Senate tonight is
39:50
Speaker 3: the social media ban on under sixteens, Sam. This is
39:55
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly popular with parents, but then it's suddenly became controversial
40:01
Speaker 3: when there was this suggestion that everyone would have to
40:03
Speaker 3: put everyone, not just kids, would have to put a
40:05
Speaker 3: digital ID to use the internet. What do you think
40:09
Speaker 3: about this? Have the politicians put enough work into looking
40:15
Speaker 3: at how this piece of legislation will actually work before
40:19
Speaker 3: they've rushed it through.
40:21
Speaker 16: I guess all we can say is I hope, so,
40:23
Speaker 16: I hope so. Look, this is world first legislation. You're
40:27
Speaker 16: absolutely right. The parents of Australia are very much on
40:32
Speaker 16: board with this. I say, as a parent of a
40:35
Speaker 16: twelve year old that we are going to have to
40:37
Speaker 16: kick off TikTok and social media. I'm not necessarily looking
40:41
Speaker 16: forward to those conversations that we're having, but I think
40:45
Speaker 16: we can all agree that it's a good thing to
40:48
Speaker 16: do in the long run. I think with any legislation,
40:53
Speaker 16: any legislation, but especially legislation of this nature that's never
40:58
Speaker 16: been done before, I think we need to be aware
41:01
Speaker 16: that we may need to come back and revise and
41:04
Speaker 16: change it in time if it's not working exactly the
41:08
Speaker 16: way that it had been intended. I understand the digital
41:12
Speaker 16: idea is now off the table and that's that's not happening,
41:15
Speaker 16: which is good. But you know, if there are other
41:18
Speaker 16: issues that arise as we go, I think we have
41:22
Speaker 16: to be open and honest about it and say, Okay,
41:24
Speaker 16: we'll come back and look at it, but let's try something.
41:27
Speaker 16: I guess that's the that's the message coming out of this.
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Speaker 3: I haven't heard that the digital idea is off the
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Speaker 3: table about either. And I spoke to Matt Canavan on
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Speaker 3: my way in tonight and he thought it was still
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Speaker 3: on the table.
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Speaker 2: Then I haven't.
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Speaker 15: Certainly I checked all the news wise before I came
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Speaker 15: on air with you, because that's what we do. I
41:45
Speaker 15: haven't seen anything to confirm that.
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Speaker 2: If that's the case, that's where aren't you getting that from? Sam?
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Speaker 16: Look, I might I picked it up early this morning
41:52
Speaker 16: reading something or another. I can't remember.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 2: I literally spoke to Matt Cash.
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Speaker 16: I'm certainly not an expert in this field.
41:59
Speaker 3: He said that he had initially understood that it was
42:04
Speaker 3: going to be a popular policy, but his understanding is
42:06
Speaker 3: that there still was this digital ID issue.
42:08
Speaker 2: What do you think.
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Speaker 15: I think it's tremendously fraught a space to go into.
42:13
Speaker 15: And I think two things. I think that the federal
42:15
Speaker 15: government is lurching towards the break, is frightened of its
42:21
Speaker 15: terrible performance in the polls, the weakness of the leader,
42:24
Speaker 15: the weakness in leadership perceived witness in leadership of mister
42:27
Speaker 15: Albaneze and mister Bowen.
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Speaker 2: And look this legislation.
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Speaker 15: I don't disagree with Sam that something needs to be
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Speaker 15: addressed in terms of social media usage, but you don't
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Speaker 15: come in and turn it into digital IDAs by stealth
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Speaker 15: and all of these other things. And there are so
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Speaker 15: many legitimate reasons that children under sixteen need to be
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Speaker 15: on social media, kids who are in remote areas in
42:48
Speaker 15: the bush, messaging apps with their parents, things like that.
42:52
Speaker 15: Don't get me wrong, I agree in principle, but I
42:56
Speaker 15: do not believe this legislation is the answer it's the
42:59
Speaker 15: same if you want to give an analogy the voice. Right,
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Speaker 15: there is a systemic problem of disadvantage in this country
43:06
Speaker 15: that needs to be addressed. I didn't personally believe that
43:08
Speaker 15: that was the way to address it. There is a
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Speaker 15: problem with how young people are affected by social media.
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Speaker 15: The harm is not disputed, but this legislation is not
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Speaker 15: the answer.
43:18
Speaker 3: All right, That debate will continue, although it does look
43:20
Speaker 3: like it's going to pass the Senate tonight. Now, in Victoria,
43:24
Speaker 3: a convicted murderer has been granted release from a maximum
43:28
Speaker 3: security prison to undergo IVF treatment. So this murderer is
43:33
Speaker 3: serving a sixteen year sentence after stabbing a mother to
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Speaker 3: death and a drug fueled rage. Now, Sam, you know,
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Speaker 3: we've all been talking about how can tax pay money
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Speaker 3: possibly fund this?
43:43
Speaker 2: But I haven't really heard anyone.
43:45
Speaker 3: Talking about, well, what about the baby wants the baby's bond?
43:48
Speaker 2: Why?
43:49
Speaker 3: You know, why would you be supporting bringing a baby
43:53
Speaker 3: into the world when the mother is in maximum security
43:56
Speaker 3: prison for life for murder?
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Speaker 2: What's going to happen to that baby?
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Speaker 16: You're absolutely right, That's where my mind went to when
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Speaker 16: I read this story. I thought, well, is the baby
44:06
Speaker 16: going to stay with the dad. Is the dad in
44:08
Speaker 16: the picture or is it a donor? Look, I'm not
44:10
Speaker 16: sure it should. With due respect to the Victorian Supreme
44:15
Speaker 16: Court who ruled on this, I think this is one
44:19
Speaker 16: of those judicial flights of fancy that sometimes lawyers get
44:23
Speaker 16: caught in a legal argument and don't really know where
44:26
Speaker 16: they end up at the end of the hearing and
44:29
Speaker 16: the end of the judgment. I think the government should
44:31
Speaker 16: step in and say, no, this is not at all
44:33
Speaker 16: in keeping with community expectation. We're going to knock this off.
44:36
Speaker 16: We're going to rule this out. I don't think this
44:39
Speaker 16: is a particularly hard decision for a reasonable government to
44:43
Speaker 16: come out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it seems like a complete waste of
44:47
Speaker 3: taxpayer funds and how can you allow this?
44:51
Speaker 15: I read about this today and I read it in
44:54
Speaker 15: passing and couldn't I didn't actually think. I thought i'd
44:56
Speaker 15: misread it. If that makes sense, like, surely this can't
44:58
Speaker 15: be true. And I echo Sam's comments in the sense that,
45:02
Speaker 15: you know, respect to the court. You know, somebody has
45:04
Speaker 15: been convicted and sentenced for murder. They have taken a life,
45:10
Speaker 15: They've taken someone's life in a violent crime, convicted of that,
45:14
Speaker 15: and the Victorian system has turned around and gone sure, sure,
45:19
Speaker 15: I mean this is I don't know the figures about access.
45:23
Speaker 3: You're to be a mother, sure, all committed being a mom,
45:28
Speaker 3: Like we put people in jail to reflect the seriousness of.
45:32
Speaker 15: That crime, not to then go all right, you can
45:36
Speaker 15: go and have the privilege of motherhood. I don't It
45:38
Speaker 15: doesn't make sense to me, and I think Victoria is
45:41
Speaker 15: a very I'm just going to watch my tongue.
45:45
Speaker 16: But also, Jimmy, from whatever budget they're going to be
45:48
Speaker 16: drawing these these funds, be it the health budget, the
45:52
Speaker 16: criminal justice budget, you've got to think to yourself, there's
45:55
Speaker 16: got to be a better way to spend those life.
45:58
Speaker 3: All right, we've got to go out of time. Sam Crosby,
46:01
Speaker 3: Gema Tognini.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you, ran Sharry.
46:04
Speaker 3: Now after the break, Michael Dwanby will be on his
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Speaker 3: first interview after going public with the claim that Pennywong
46:09
Speaker 3: gave him a dressing down when he criticized China. That's
46:13
Speaker 3: after this quick break. All right, welcome back, and let's
46:19
Speaker 3: bring in now former Labor and Michael Downby. Michael, thank
46:22
Speaker 3: you very much for joining me once again. Now you've
46:26
Speaker 3: revealed today in The Australian that you were called into
46:30
Speaker 3: Penny Wong's office when you dared to criticize China. Tell
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Speaker 3: us what happened in that meeting behind the scenes, and
46:37
Speaker 3: what you'd said to deserve this well.
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Speaker 17: I spoke in the House on China's record of criminal
46:46
Speaker 17: prosecutions when ninety.
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Speaker 11: Nine percent of people are convicted.
46:49
Speaker 17: The Labor Party, including Senator Wong, had taken a position
46:52
Speaker 17: that we were going to sink Julie Bishop's extradition treaty
46:56
Speaker 17: with a vote with the Cross benches in the Senate,
46:58
Speaker 17: and we did that.
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Speaker 11: But Senator Wong was very unhappy with the.
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Speaker 17: Content of my speech and the fact that I criticized
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Speaker 17: the Chinese criminal justice system, and I was arraigned over there.
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Speaker 11: It was almost like something out of Monty Python Sharry.
47:14
Speaker 11: You would have laughed if you would have said I.
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Speaker 17: Wasn't asked to sit down, and the minister and her
47:20
Speaker 17: advisors sat there and criticized what I'd said as.
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Speaker 11: Upsetting the Embassy of Beijing.
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Speaker 17: Now Shinga Yagami, the Japanese ambassador, is the same thing.
47:31
Speaker 17: There's a pattern here. It's much more important than me
47:35
Speaker 17: and how I was. They attempted to humiliate me. That's
47:39
Speaker 17: I'm sure the Japanese ambassador is a bigger guy than
47:42
Speaker 17: that too, but it's China. Handsome boy is the good expression.
47:48
Speaker 17: The Chinese ambassador says all Western countries should imitate Australia
47:53
Speaker 17: and suck sucking up to China.
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Speaker 11: That's what it's really about.
47:57
Speaker 14: Now.
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Speaker 17: Senator Wong really had a bit of a winge in
48:01
Speaker 17: the paper today that I was always after to some extent,
48:05
Speaker 17: that's true. I don't forgive her for stressing my dear
48:09
Speaker 17: late friend Kimberly Kitchen saying at a public meeting that
48:14
Speaker 17: Kimbly wasn't entitled to speak on the environment because she
48:18
Speaker 17: didn't have children.
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Speaker 11: Senator Wong would have been driven out.
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Speaker 17: Of public life and a public political party in other circumstances.
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Speaker 17: That's unforgivable, and it contributed so much to Kimberly stress.
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Speaker 17: And I don't forgive Senator Wong until you know the
48:34
Speaker 17: end of her political career for that. But the real
48:37
Speaker 17: issue is not me, not the humiliation, not what they
48:40
Speaker 17: did to the Japanese ambassador. It's the wrong policy for
48:44
Speaker 17: Australia on China, and I think the rest of the
48:47
Speaker 17: world is waking up to it in Germany and in
48:50
Speaker 17: the United States. So I think Australia is getting more
48:54
Speaker 17: and more out of step.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, And of course you know the behavior that
48:58
Speaker 3: you described in relation to Kimberly Kitchen. I first reported
49:02
Speaker 3: that in The Australian It earned her the nickname one
49:06
Speaker 3: of the mean Girls, alleged mean girls. Of course, we
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Speaker 3: have to say, Michael Danby, thank you very much for
49:11
Speaker 3: your time, really appreciate it, and thanks everyone for your
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Speaker 3: company this week. I'll see you Monday at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 3: And here's Paul