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Sharri | 30 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: I'm Caroline Marcus filling in for Shari. Coming up tonight,
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Speaker 4: Josh Burns becomes the first government MP to give evidence
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Speaker 4: at the Royal Commission. I'll show you our interview in
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Speaker 4: which he responds to calls for Anthony Alberizi and Tony
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Speaker 4: Burke to front up.
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Speaker 5: It's incumbent on all of us across the federal government
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Speaker 5: to do whatever we can to help the Commission.
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Speaker 3: That's coming up.
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Speaker 4: One of the Sydney nurses who allegedly threatened Israeli Patience
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Speaker 4: chalks up another legal win, this time getting a drug
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Speaker 4: possession charge thrown out of court.
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Speaker 6: It was a great result today. It was a great
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Speaker 6: win for my client.
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Speaker 4: A murdered teenager in a suitcase by the railway tracks
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Speaker 4: and an Australian accused killer in a tie prison.
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Speaker 3: Stephen Drill joins.
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Speaker 4: Me with the latest detail of this shocking murder case
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Speaker 4: from Pattayah. But first night, I need to respond to
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Speaker 4: an absurd accusation of anti Semitism leveled against me by
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Speaker 4: former Attorney General Mark Dreyfus, The country's former top law officer,
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Speaker 4: has lodged what's been called a deeply personal submission to
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Speaker 4: the Royal Commission detailing the anti Semitic abuse he endured
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Speaker 4: as the most senior Jewish member of government. Dreyfus also
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Speaker 4: used his submission to call for a sweeping expansion of
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Speaker 4: hate speech laws. And I'll return to why I find
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Speaker 4: that hypocritical in a moment, but let's start on what's
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Speaker 4: been called the most distressing example of anti Semitism Dreyfus
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Speaker 4: says he suffered.
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Speaker 3: Was it the.
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Speaker 4: Vandalism of his own Melbourne electorate office by anti Israel
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Speaker 4: activists and twenty twenty four who splashed it in red paint.
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Speaker 3: Or maybe it was being called.
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Speaker 4: A baby killer, Zio scum, genocidal f an enemy, foreign
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Speaker 4: agent who works for Israel, corrupt, child murdering scum of
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Speaker 4: the earth and tolds f Israel and the Jews. Perhaps
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Speaker 4: it was being bombarded with anti Semitic images of rats,
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Speaker 4: pigs and a manipulated photograph of Drapus holding a dead
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Speaker 4: Palestinian child.
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Speaker 3: All of this examples he shared in his submission.
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Speaker 4: But no, according to my newspapers, the most distressing label
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Speaker 4: Drayfus had been given was being called a capo a
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Speaker 4: word I'd use to describe him. Last year, he writes
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Speaker 4: a Sky News reporter the word reporter in quotation marks,
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Speaker 4: presumably to discredit me, accused me of being a capo,
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Speaker 4: knowing its meaning and the deep historical pain it carries.
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Speaker 4: When language drawn from the Holocaust is knowingly exploited in
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Speaker 4: mainstream political commentary against a Jewish Australian, anti Semitism is
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Speaker 4: not merely present, it is being permitted to enter public
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Speaker 4: debate under the cover of political criticism.
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Speaker 3: Now, let's take a look.
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Speaker 4: At what I actually said back on Outsiders in April
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Speaker 4: last year. And there's a Yiddish word which in another
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Speaker 4: time may have been used to describe someone who reached
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Speaker 4: such a high office, mensh. It means a good person, moral, decent, upstanding.
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Speaker 4: But there's another foreign word that comes to mind about
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Speaker 4: the top law officer in the country, capo. It's a
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Speaker 4: German word for the Jewish concentration camp inmates who collaborated
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Speaker 4: with the Nazis to survive. And that's the word that
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Speaker 4: struck me when I learned Mark Dreyfus, again, our most
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Speaker 4: powerful Jewish Australian, had betrayed his own people by striking
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Speaker 4: a deal with the Greens. So really that was the
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Speaker 4: most pernicious abuse Drapers says he suffered. What he failed
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Speaker 4: to mention in his submission, and which I find so disingenuous,
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Speaker 4: is that this, yes, very strongly worded criticism, came from
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Speaker 4: a fellow descendant of Holocaust survivors. Like Drapers, my family
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Speaker 4: also had to flee from Europe due to persecution Romania.
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Speaker 4: In our case, I'm also a proud to and as
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Speaker 4: I said back then, I found this political move from
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Speaker 4: senior Jewish minister particularly hard to digest, given he is
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Speaker 4: the son of a Holocaust survivor too, who lost three
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Speaker 4: grand parents in that atrocity. What angered me and the
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Speaker 4: Jewish community at large is that Dreyfus himself had denounced
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Speaker 4: the Greens, accusing them of encouraging the criminal damage of
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Speaker 4: his and his colleagues officers and for failing to condemn Hamas.
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Speaker 4: So for Drafers to turn around and tell voters to
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Speaker 4: put two next to the local Greens candidate, a regular
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Speaker 4: at pro Palestinian rallies, who had vowed to use his
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Speaker 4: platform to support sanctions and an arms zimbargo on Israel,
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Speaker 4: will that in my view represented a massive betrayal of
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Speaker 4: Dreyfus's fellow Jewish Australians. He's seeking political advantage at the
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Speaker 4: expense of his community's safety and there isn't a word
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Speaker 4: foreign or otherwise for how despicable that is. Alex Riptrin,
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Speaker 4: the co Chief Executive of the Australian Council of Australian Jury,
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Speaker 4: was also highly critical of Dreyfus, saying at the time
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Speaker 4: it is bitterly disappointing that a senior member of the
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Speaker 4: government and an eminent Jewish Australian could see fit to
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Speaker 4: instruct his supporters to put a tuo next to a
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Speaker 4: party that has done more to vilify the Jewish community
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Speaker 4: than any party in Australian history. For Dreyfus now to
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Speaker 4: be arguing for hate speech laws that were strengthened in
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Speaker 4: the wake of Bonni to be broadened even further, well,
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Speaker 4: he was our chief law officer. Why didn't he do
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Speaker 4: that when he actually had the power to? When quote,
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Speaker 4: reporters like me were for years leading up to this
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Speaker 4: attack exposing the shocking amounts of jewe hatred members of
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Speaker 4: the community were being subjected to and constantly being told
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Speaker 4: it did not meet the legal threshold.
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Speaker 3: For authorities to act.
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Speaker 4: Instead, there was a distinct lack of self awareness from
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Speaker 4: Dreyfus about the dangerous climate his government had helped to
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Speaker 4: create for Jewish Australians through its increasingly hostile positions on Israel,
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Speaker 4: premature recognition of a Palestinian state, and its failure to
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Speaker 4: confront the appalling jew hatred that erupted on our streets.
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Speaker 4: At our very own Sky News Anti Semitism summit, Dreyfus
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Speaker 4: angered the crowd when he blamed the opposition and media
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Speaker 4: outlets like ours for weaponizing anti Semitism. Many Jewish audience
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Speaker 4: members booed him, and some even walked out.
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Speaker 7: The Australian Government stands with Jewish Australians in the fight
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Speaker 7: against santi Semitism whenever and wherever it occurs.
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Speaker 4: So, to paraphrase former Prime Minister Julia Gillard, I will
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Speaker 4: not be lectured to about anti Semitism by that man.
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Speaker 4: Now contrast Drapers's political opportunism with the principled standard of
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Speaker 4: his former labor colleague, sitting MP Josh Burns, who broke
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Speaker 4: ranks with his party and ran on an open ticket
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Speaker 4: in the last federal election because he refused to preference
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Speaker 4: the Greens. Burns today gave harrowing evidence at the Royal
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Speaker 4: Commission about the shocking abuse targeting both he and his partner,
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Speaker 4: Victorian MP Georgie Purcell. In her own submission to the
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Speaker 4: Royal Commission.
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Speaker 3: Purcell revealed she'd been viciously.
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Speaker 4: Attacked by people on her own progressive side of politics
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Speaker 4: simply for having a Jewish partner.
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Speaker 5: Georgie has to face this sort of relentless torrent of
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Speaker 5: abuse just because she's chosen to be with me. It's
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Speaker 5: not just anti semitism, it's also this added layer of
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Speaker 5: misogyny in often violence sexualized language that women get on top.
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Speaker 4: Coming up in the program, i'll show you the full
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Speaker 4: interview I did with Josh Burns, in which I also
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Speaker 4: asked him whether the ministers from his own government should
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Speaker 4: front the Royal Commission over their policy failures.
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Speaker 3: You won't want to miss that.
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Speaker 4: Now to another extraordinary court decision in the saga of
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Speaker 4: two former Sydney nurses accused of allegedly threatening Israeli patients
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Speaker 4: in a video that went viral after earlier this month,
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Speaker 4: convincing a judge to throw out as evidence the video
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Speaker 4: in which the alleged threats were made. This afternoon, there
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Speaker 4: was a ruling of a similar nature in another court.
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Speaker 4: Bankstown Court Judge Glenn Walsh dismissed a drug possession charge
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Speaker 4: against Ahmad Roshad Nadir after ruling a search of his
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Speaker 4: hospital locker that was carried out after the video made
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Speaker 4: headlines and which resulted in the alle discovery of a
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Speaker 4: vial of morphine was also inadmissible as evidence.
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Speaker 6: It was a great result today. It was a great
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Speaker 6: win for my client. We successfully argued for the evidence
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Speaker 6: to be excluded. The judge agreed and the charge was dismissed.
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Speaker 6: My client is very happy with the result and he's
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Speaker 6: very pleased with the outcome today.
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Speaker 4: Now I can't tell you why the locker search was
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Speaker 4: ruled inadmissible because, just like in the other matter, the
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Speaker 4: judge slapped non publication and suppression orders over his reasons.
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Speaker 4: But when I was covering this hearing earlier this month,
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Speaker 4: Nadir's barrister, the Eminent King's Counsel Greg James, a former
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Speaker 4: Supreme Court judge and Royal Commissioner himself, argued the locker
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Speaker 4: search was in itself unlawful, I'm ad Rashadnadia's lawyers argue
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Speaker 4: there was no search warrant and their client was not
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Speaker 4: present when the hospital staff member opened his locker in
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Speaker 4: front of police.
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Speaker 6: We've argued that the evidence that the police have obtained
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Speaker 6: was unlawful, that the search of the lockers was done
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Speaker 6: illegally and unlawfully.
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Speaker 3: It did you deny that you had morphin in your locker?
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Speaker 6: Arklient denies that he had possession of the item, So.
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Speaker 3: It was in someone else's locker, someone else put it there.
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Speaker 6: The prosecution have to prove that he possessed it, so.
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Speaker 4: It could well be another legal technicality that has now
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Speaker 4: resulted in two from two legal wins for Nader. The
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Speaker 4: one downside for the former nurse today he lost a
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Speaker 4: bid to have prosecutors. In other words, taxpayers cough up
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Speaker 4: for his legal costs over that failed case, and with
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Speaker 4: a very expensive king's counsel on his books, presuming Nadir
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Speaker 4: is paying, that will be no short change. Tony Abbott
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Speaker 4: has slapped down Melissa Macintosh's call for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 4: to rebrand, including even changing its name, saying it would
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Speaker 4: hardly be the Liberal Party if it weren't the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: Well, he's got a.
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Speaker 4: Point, but with the coalition now on a record low
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Speaker 4: seventeen percent primary vote, Angus Taylor is asking colleagues and
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Speaker 4: voters for time.
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Speaker 2: You can't turn around a tanker in a few months.
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Speaker 2: We have to just keep working and plaguing away at
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Speaker 2: axing Labour's toxic taxes, at scrapping ned zero, at ending
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Speaker 2: mass migration, at putting Australians.
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Speaker 4: First joining me now is Menzies Research Center senior fellow
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Speaker 4: Nick Hater and former Labor MP Michael Danby. Nick first
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Speaker 4: of all, to you, we love a rebrand here at
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Speaker 4: Sky News. Just a reminder we will be News twenty
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Speaker 4: four next month.
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Speaker 3: But Abbit is right, isn't he? The problem isn't with
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Speaker 3: the name or the logo of the party.
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Speaker 8: No, you're right. I mean you're rebranding, but you're not
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Speaker 8: going to change the nature of the channel one iota.
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Speaker 8: I hope.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe there's anything.
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Speaker 8: There are commercial reasons why you have to do that. Fine,
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Speaker 8: but it's the same doesn't apply to a critical party.
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Speaker 8: I think we've got to stand up and say we
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Speaker 8: are proud of this party that has been in government
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Speaker 8: for more than fifty I think I'm right. Out of
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Speaker 8: the last eighty years, it's a very good record. They've
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Speaker 8: achieved a vast amount for this country in terms of
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Speaker 8: adding to the prosperity, in wealth and the opportunities for
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Speaker 8: people in recent years short they've had, They've got a
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Speaker 8: lot to make up for in the last decade or more.
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Speaker 8: But let's not throw the baby out with the bathwod.
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Speaker 8: I think that they've just got to get back and say,
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Speaker 8: and I don't I get what Melissa's saying. We need
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Speaker 8: more women voters, yes, but we need more men too.
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Speaker 8: We need more elderly people, we need more young people.
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Speaker 8: That's a given. But I just think if we get
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Speaker 8: back to the basic message of the Liberal Party, which
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Speaker 8: is very simple, you get on and run your life
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Speaker 8: with lower taxes and greater opportunity and greater room for investment,
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Speaker 8: rather than you let the government run it for you.
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Speaker 8: That is the core of the Liberal message from which
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Speaker 8: everything else flows. And I don't think anything has changed
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Speaker 8: in the way people feel towards an overbearing government right now.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think you're right, and I think the policies
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Speaker 4: and the messaging have got to be stronger or communicated better.
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Speaker 4: But Michael, what do you make of Angus Taylor's comments here?
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Speaker 4: Does the party just need time and does he just
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Speaker 4: need time? Or are worsening polls evidence he's not the
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Speaker 4: right person to turn this tanker around.
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Speaker 9: Well. Previously, Caroline, I thought that if they could last
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Speaker 9: through to the Victorian state election and Jess Wilson do well,
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Speaker 9: that would give them the phillip where they might get
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Speaker 9: in front of One Nation, particularly since One Nation seems
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Speaker 9: almost absent from the Victorian scene with candidates and operating
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Speaker 9: out of a hard wood box in Frankston. But the
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Speaker 9: problem is, as Andrew Balt has identified, how does the
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Speaker 9: administrative head of the Liberal Political Party tell parliamentarians what
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Speaker 9: words they should or should not be using. Now I
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Speaker 9: think Melissa McIntosh made a terrible mistake by diverting off
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Speaker 9: the issues Angus Taylor should be talking about indexation of taxation,
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Speaker 9: which he was very strong on, and abolishing net zero.
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Speaker 4: Let's talk about how the anti Israel boycott movement has
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Speaker 4: now come for Melbourne academic Matthew Champion after he won
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Speaker 4: the four hundred and thirty five dollars Dan David History Prize.
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Speaker 4: More than one hundred academics now including Randa abdel Fhata
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Speaker 4: and National Museum chair Claire Wright, want him to hand
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Speaker 4: the world's richest History prize back because it links to Israel.
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Speaker 4: Writing to ask Champion to reconsider accepting this prize that
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Speaker 4: contributes to the ongoing normalization of the genocide and scholasticide
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Speaker 4: in Palestine, but he's refusing now. To be clear, the
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Speaker 4: prize is administered by a philanthropic foundation that was founded
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Speaker 4: by a Holocaust survivor, and these academics have an issue
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Speaker 4: because the foundation won't use the term genocide in the
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Speaker 4: statements it's put out about the war and Kaza Michael.
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Speaker 4: There's an irony here, isn't there. Here's Randa abdel Fata,
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Speaker 4: who remodeled herself as a free speech martyr after she
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Speaker 4: was dropped from a writer's festival, now pressuring another academic
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Speaker 4: to reject a prize due to a boycott an eight.
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Speaker 9: Hundred grand a year from the Australian Research Council around
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Speaker 9: Abul Fatwall. You know, look, an undistinguished group of academics
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Speaker 9: killing someone who won a rear international history prize that
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Speaker 9: he's not allowed to write on matters to do with
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Speaker 9: our cheology in history and that he must use the
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Speaker 9: words they use towards the war and guarded genocide. In
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Speaker 9: my view, it's a war, not a genocide. The majority
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Speaker 9: of people killed or Hamas fighters, but you know it's
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Speaker 9: Palestinian McCarthyism. Is this going to go around the country
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Speaker 9: where these people will determine or who won't win prizes
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Speaker 9: or academic advancement?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly.
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure about the numbers of civilians versus Hamas militants,
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Speaker 4: but what we do know is that it is a
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Speaker 4: very low ratio in terms of urban warfare. So the
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Speaker 4: fact that they've managed to keep the number of civilian
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Speaker 4: deaths quite low in itself as something commendable for Israel. Now,
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Speaker 4: teachers will be instructed on how to teach the Holocaust
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Speaker 4: under a new education initiative launched by the federal government today.
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Speaker 4: The modules for years nine and ten have been endorsed
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Speaker 4: by Anti Semitism Envoy Gillian Siegel, and come after reports
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Speaker 4: some teachers were avoiding the topic altogether out of a
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Speaker 4: fear that it would offend Muslim students. Also, universities now
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Speaker 4: have until August thirty one to adopt an enforceable definition
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Speaker 4: of anti Semitism after former vice chancellor Greg Craven found
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Speaker 4: not one university had a definition strong enough for complaints
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Speaker 4: or discipline at NICK. I'm glad the government is addressing this,
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Speaker 4: even though it seems very belated.
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Speaker 3: But it is shameful at it.
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Speaker 4: That we're at this point where teachers have to be
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Speaker 4: told they need to teach the Holocaust at all.
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Speaker 8: Well, it should be front and center of the history curriculum.
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Speaker 8: I mean, this is the central moral issue of the
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Speaker 8: twentieth century, is how a sophisticated, civilized country like Germany
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Speaker 8: could go so badly off the rails at the hands
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Speaker 8: of one maniac in such a short amount of time
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Speaker 8: and commit such horrible acts. By the way, and with
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Speaker 8: adol fadder, I'd be happy to send her my, you know,
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Speaker 8: some literature on this if she's still confused about quite
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Speaker 8: how uniquely atrocious the Holocaust was, let's get that clear.
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Speaker 8: Why this is sensitive for Muslim students, I don't know.
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Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think it would last I looked
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Speaker 8: at It wasn't Muslims who carried out the attack, although
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Speaker 8: there were certain Muslims in the Midlise who are very
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Speaker 8: supportive of Hitler. You know this is this is an
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Speaker 8: illustration of pure anti semitism, nothing more or less.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, and yeah, as I say, I'm glad
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Speaker 4: they're doing something. It doesn't surprise me that universities don't
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Speaker 4: have a proper, working definition of anti Semitism. But let's
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Speaker 4: talk about this story. The Abeneze government's climates are. Matt
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Speaker 4: Keen is under pressure tonight after taxpayers would bill more
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Speaker 4: than thirty two thousand dollars for his trip to Cop
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Speaker 4: thirty in Brazil. The Daily Telegraph is reporting Keen has
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Speaker 4: now wracked up nearly seventy thousand dollars in overseas travels
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Speaker 4: since taking the part time Climate Change Authority job job Michael,
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Speaker 4: Australians are struggling with power bells while the people who
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Speaker 4: lecture us about climate emissions fly business class to Brazil.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is exactly the problem, isn't it.
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Speaker 9: Well, this is what the opposition should be ripping the
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Speaker 9: government to pieces over. Now, he's a bloke who's got
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Speaker 9: commercial interests at the same time as he fulfills this
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Speaker 9: government job and was apparently negotiating for his commercial interests
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Speaker 9: once we the dumb taxpayers paid for him to go
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Speaker 9: business class over to Brazil. I mean, this can't stand.
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Speaker 9: This bloke cannot have a commercial role and have a
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Speaker 9: government job at the same time. He should refund all
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Speaker 9: of the money that he's earned from the government while
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Speaker 9: he's held this commercial role from the beginning of his appointment.
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Speaker 4: Yeah too right now, Victorian Liberal and him mooy Redeemon
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Speaker 4: could now lose her party endorsement after refusing to apologize
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Speaker 4: to former leader at Matthew Guy over assault allegations police
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Speaker 4: dismissed after they found no offense was detected at one
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Speaker 4: of their colleagues. James Newberry spoke to the media earlier
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Speaker 4: today talking about Deeming not saying sorry. Now, my understanding
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Speaker 4: is that Deeming still believes it was wrong for Guy
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Speaker 4: to even put his hands on her at all, even
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Speaker 4: if she accepts it was not a headlock as she
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Speaker 4: first alleged, and she's also upset. I understand that he
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Speaker 4: hasn't been given advice by the party not to do
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Speaker 4: that again, to touch a female colleague. But Nick, it
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Speaker 4: is all a big mess. Do you think the party
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Speaker 4: needs to disendorse her though? After everything, after all the
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Speaker 4: history with Waura Deeming more.
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Speaker 8: Deeming should have a goldhard look at herself and say
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Speaker 8: is it about you or is it about the party?
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Speaker 8: Because at the moment it's all about her. Now she
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Speaker 8: may feel offended, she may have found the instant unpleasant.
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Speaker 8: Understand that these are horrible things if you feel uncomfortable
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Speaker 8: that situation. But to pursue it like this and not
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Speaker 8: to do the decent thing and say, well, there's no
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Speaker 8: there's no police investigation, therefore no prosecution and therefore he
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Speaker 8: will not be found guilty. I just think you have
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Speaker 8: to drop it and make the right apologies. You're in
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Speaker 8: a team, more redeeming. You are in a team and
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Speaker 8: you've got one job only, and that's to get rid
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Speaker 8: of this dreadful labor government in Victoria. Just get with
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Speaker 8: the plot.
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Speaker 3: Well, one thing is clear.
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Speaker 4: It has caused a lot of problems for the Liberal
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Speaker 4: Party there and they're already struggling ahead of the next election.
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Speaker 3: We're out of time.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Nick Kata and Michael Danby appreciated.
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Speaker 4: Let's go now to the dark underbelly of Australian sex
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Speaker 4: tourism in Thailand. Australian Simon Carmen is tonight in custody
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Speaker 4: in a grim Thaie prison, accused of murdering seventeen year
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Speaker 4: old Tan Channock Don Homer in Pataya. Carmen has had
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Speaker 4: his head shaved, is in ten days quarantine and has
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Speaker 4: been refused visits from family and friends. Police alleged the
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Speaker 4: teenager's body was found naked and twisted inside a black
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Speaker 4: suitcase dumped near railway tracks after Carmen was arrest did
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Speaker 4: at Bangkonk Airport trying to board a flight to Perth.
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Speaker 4: The teenager's final message to friends has also now been revealed.
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Speaker 4: She reportedly wrote from Carmen's unit after he'd allegedly picture
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Speaker 4: up for sex. I've arrived at his apartment.
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Speaker 3: The room is so messy, that was her message.
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Speaker 4: Now chilling footage allegedly shows Carmen walking with a teenager
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Speaker 4: near john Ten Beach before CCTV later allegedly shows him
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Speaker 4: leaving his condo with a black suitcase.
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Speaker 3: Carmen denies murder.
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Speaker 4: He claims he acted in self defense and says he
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Speaker 4: did not mean to hurt her.
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Speaker 9: Swordcaph I feel bad for what happened to your daughter.
23:46
Speaker 9: It was out of my control.
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Speaker 7: I hope you'll I know you'll.
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Speaker 5: Be very said upset.
23:56
Speaker 7: Same to me.
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Speaker 9: It shouldn't happen, and.
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Speaker 10: I hope you're okay.
24:03
Speaker 4: I know you're not.
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Speaker 5: But o.
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Speaker 4: Police are also checking whether there are any links to
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Speaker 4: two other unsolved suitcase murders in Pattaya, but it is
24:13
Speaker 4: not suggested Carmen was responsible for those cases. If convicted
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Speaker 4: of this offense, he could face a long sentence or
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Speaker 4: even the death penalty. News Corps senior reporter Stephen Drill
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Speaker 4: is in Pattaya and joins me our Stephen, thanks for
24:29
Speaker 4: coming on the show. What more can you tell us
24:31
Speaker 4: about this? What's the latest out of the police investigation.
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Speaker 11: Levin Caroline. The police are doing their very best to
24:38
Speaker 11: get to the bottom of this case. They have been
24:40
Speaker 11: working over time. I spoke with the police chief in Patayo. Yes,
24:45
Speaker 11: in office, he was. He was very quick thinking. There has,
24:50
Speaker 11: as you mentioned you in your predeed, that in two
24:53
Speaker 11: cases before where women were found dumped in suitcases. Now,
24:58
Speaker 11: Simon Carmen was not in Thailand according to his landlord
25:03
Speaker 11: at the time, so it's not suggested that those were
25:05
Speaker 11: cases will lead to him. But police were red hot
25:09
Speaker 11: on this case because of those cases.
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Speaker 4: Okay, that's interesting, So it sounds like he's almost been
25:15
Speaker 4: ruled out there, but maybe there was a precedent, or
25:19
Speaker 4: perhaps he's seen even coverage of it. I mean, I
25:22
Speaker 4: guess those are just thought bubbles.
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Speaker 3: We don't know what allegations will come out.
25:27
Speaker 4: There has been some reporting that there was allegedly an
25:30
Speaker 4: argument between Simon Carmen and the teenager about how much
25:35
Speaker 4: he would pay her for sex, and the argument was
25:38
Speaker 4: over what equates to the equivalent of twenty Australian dollars
25:42
Speaker 4: that was being haggled over. What more can you tell
25:45
Speaker 4: us about that is that what police are looking into.
25:49
Speaker 11: This is harrowing detail, Caroline. Twenty dollars. Now, when people
25:54
Speaker 11: pay for sex in bars here and the payout it's
25:57
Speaker 11: about six thousand bar, between two thand and six thousand bar.
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Speaker 11: Simon had agreed allegedly to only pay one thousand bars,
26:06
Speaker 11: so he's picked up a young girl on the street
26:07
Speaker 11: potentially to pay less than being in a bar. The
26:10
Speaker 11: allegation is that he then had a dispute with her
26:13
Speaker 11: and only offered five hundred bars. So it's pretty grim
26:18
Speaker 11: to allegedly short change a young woman when you've agreed
26:22
Speaker 11: to those terms. I mean, he was actually refused sex
26:26
Speaker 11: by another sex worker in the hours beforehand. We were
26:29
Speaker 11: we've been speaking to women in the bars here in Pattaya,
26:32
Speaker 11: and they said that he was too drunk and wasn't
26:35
Speaker 11: in good shape, and then had gone and left and
26:38
Speaker 11: gone to the beach where he has met tounch knot
26:41
Speaker 11: on com last So he's been a very long life
26:44
Speaker 11: for him. It was three thirty in the morning when
26:46
Speaker 11: they met, and nine the next day when a black
26:50
Speaker 11: suitcase is taken from his apartment.
26:54
Speaker 4: It's just it's just so horrendous the allegations in this story.
26:58
Speaker 4: What would life be like for him now in prison?
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Speaker 4: He's in custody, he's facing a death sentence that is
27:06
Speaker 4: the maximum penalty for murder in Thailand. How brutal is
27:11
Speaker 4: it in jail overwhere he is.
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Speaker 11: Right now, it's going to be the best he's getting
27:17
Speaker 11: for potentially a long time. He's in the Remand prison,
27:20
Speaker 11: which is mainly a low level offending prison with the
27:24
Speaker 11: traffickers and drug users. It has a volleyball court and
27:28
Speaker 11: they do try their best if convicted. And these are
27:32
Speaker 11: allegations at the moment, so we are not presuming what
27:34
Speaker 11: may happen in court. He would be sent to the
27:36
Speaker 11: Bangkok Hilton, one of the hardest jail in the world.
27:41
Speaker 11: Thai people call it the tiger jail because it eats
27:43
Speaker 11: men alive.
27:45
Speaker 4: It is an extraordinary story. We really appreciate having you
27:49
Speaker 4: there for the insights that you've been able to get
27:52
Speaker 4: from investigators on this and talking to other people from
27:56
Speaker 4: the bars and on the beach.
27:57
Speaker 3: Steven Drill, thank you so much for your time.
28:00
Speaker 4: Coming up, Britain's next Labor Messiah wants to give away
28:04
Speaker 4: power and put the state back in charge.
28:06
Speaker 3: Bill Dave will.
28:08
Speaker 4: Unpack Burnham's tenure plan and Labor MP Josh Burns gives
28:13
Speaker 4: harrowing evidence on anti Semitism in Australia, including the vile
28:18
Speaker 4: abuse aimed at his partner and newborn baby.
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Speaker 3: That's after the Break.
28:27
Speaker 4: Labor MP Josh Burns has become the first member of
28:31
Speaker 4: government to give evidence at the Royal Commission. Talking about
28:36
Speaker 4: his harrowing evidence he gave on what he'd endured as
28:42
Speaker 4: a Jewish politician, including the shocking attack on his Melbourne
28:46
Speaker 4: electorate office in twenty twenty four. Activists smashed windows, lit
28:52
Speaker 4: fires and spray painted his face with devil's horns. And
28:57
Speaker 4: the words Zionism is fascism. Burns spoke about how he
29:02
Speaker 4: felt bad for the residents and business owners on the
29:05
Speaker 4: street of his office, but mostly how he worried for
29:09
Speaker 4: his frightened young staff.
29:11
Speaker 5: If I thought that smashing up my office was going
29:13
Speaker 5: to bring about peace in the Middle East, all it
29:16
Speaker 5: did was just cost one hundred thousand dollars to fix
29:18
Speaker 5: it and scare a lot of people.
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Speaker 4: The Macnamara MP also summed up perfectly how blaming Jews
29:26
Speaker 4: for rising anti semitism in Australia compounded the trauma.
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Speaker 5: It's bit it's like being stabbed twice, you know, once
29:33
Speaker 5: for the anti semitism and once being blamed for being
29:36
Speaker 5: stabbed in the first place.
29:38
Speaker 4: But it was Josh Burns's testimony about the shocking abuse
29:41
Speaker 4: directed at his partner, Victorian MP Georgie Purcell, including after
29:48
Speaker 4: they welcomed their baby daughter, Lilah, days after the blonde
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Speaker 4: I attack, that was truly heartbreaking. Percell has been active
29:56
Speaker 4: at pro Palestine protests and as an MP for the
30:00
Speaker 4: left wing Animal Justice Party, yet that didn't spare her
30:04
Speaker 4: from copying some of the most disgusting abuse simply for
30:09
Speaker 4: having a Jewish partner. In her own submission to the
30:13
Speaker 4: Royal Commission revealed today, Purcell details how she has been
30:17
Speaker 4: called a whore the Nazi seaword and told she'd been
30:22
Speaker 4: knocked up by a Zionist, told her head should be
30:26
Speaker 4: shaved like the French did if you eft a Nazi
30:30
Speaker 4: officer during the war, and asked if Burns would support
30:35
Speaker 4: the blocking of baby formula to their baby or is
30:39
Speaker 4: that just for Palestinian babies. Not only is it grotesque,
30:45
Speaker 4: there's this added violent, sexualized layer to the abuse, which
30:50
Speaker 4: Purcell bravely I think called out as coming from her own.
30:54
Speaker 3: Side of progressive politics.
30:57
Speaker 4: She correctly verbalizes how extremest pro Palestine activists mirror the
31:03
Speaker 4: far right, saying there is an undeniable reality that this
31:07
Speaker 4: discourse is also being used as a trojan horse for
31:11
Speaker 4: anti Semitism. Burns testified of the toll that this had taken.
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Speaker 3: On the couple.
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Speaker 5: She gets a layer of misogyny and a layer of
31:22
Speaker 5: sort of violent sexualized comments on top of it as
31:25
Speaker 5: well that I don't get. And it's actually really it's
31:29
Speaker 5: really stark the difference. It's a weird feeling knowing that
31:32
Speaker 5: your partner has to take abuse because they're in a
31:35
Speaker 5: relationship with you, like that's it's a pretty awful feeling.
31:39
Speaker 4: Actually, I spoke to Josh Burns after his testimony and
31:44
Speaker 4: began by asking him about the cruel targeting of his partner.
31:49
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Caro, it's devastating. I mean, this is
31:53
Speaker 5: people you love and when I know everyone who watching,
31:56
Speaker 5: When you yourself would be thinking about the people you
31:58
Speaker 5: love and your family, last thing you would want for
32:01
Speaker 5: them is to be the recipients of abuse or vilification
32:04
Speaker 5: just because they're associated with you. And that's something that unfortunately,
32:09
Speaker 5: I feel almost guilty about that Georgie has to face
32:12
Speaker 5: this sort of relentless torrent of abuse just because she's
32:16
Speaker 5: chosen to be with me. And unfortunately, as you correctly said,
32:21
Speaker 5: it's not just anti Semitism, it's also this added layer
32:24
Speaker 5: of misogyny and often violent sexualized language that women get
32:28
Speaker 5: on top of it. So you know, it does nothing,
32:32
Speaker 5: and I said this in the Royal Commission, it does
32:33
Speaker 5: nothing to add to the causes and the legitimate causes
32:38
Speaker 5: of people who want to advocate for the rights of
32:40
Speaker 5: Palestinians in the Middle East. I mean, of course, of
32:44
Speaker 5: course that's a legitimate cause. What's not legitimate is to
32:48
Speaker 5: somehow attribute blame or somehow attribute malicious qualities of an
32:52
Speaker 5: individual living on the other side of the world just.
32:54
Speaker 8: Because they're with a Jewish person.
32:56
Speaker 5: And I think the Royal Commission has a really hard
32:58
Speaker 5: and important, difficult job to do, and I hope that,
33:03
Speaker 5: just like I know so many people hope that when
33:06
Speaker 5: they look at their loved ones, they want to think
33:08
Speaker 5: about all of the joy and all of the opportunities,
33:10
Speaker 5: and all of the wonderful parts of our country that
33:13
Speaker 5: we all love to be a part of, not the
33:16
Speaker 5: really dark and horrible and ancient antisemitism that we've seen
33:21
Speaker 5: of late.
33:21
Speaker 4: And Josh, you of course spoke about your own experiences
33:24
Speaker 4: with anti Semitism, having your office targeted in the way
33:28
Speaker 4: that it was. You talked about the fear that it caused,
33:31
Speaker 4: not just for you, but for your staff, some of
33:33
Speaker 4: whom are young staff members trying to support the labor movement.
33:38
Speaker 4: How did you support them and what was that like
33:41
Speaker 4: seeing the damage that was done.
33:43
Speaker 2: I mean, the.
33:44
Speaker 5: Damage inside was so much worse than the damage outside.
33:49
Speaker 5: There was I remember there was a like a fire
33:52
Speaker 5: extinguisher that they filled with red paint and just the
33:56
Speaker 5: insides of our front two rooms were covered in rent paid.
34:01
Speaker 5: I mean there was not one centimeter of the rooms
34:05
Speaker 5: that weren't splattered with this really smelly red pain and
34:08
Speaker 5: it was Yeah, it was an absolute crime scene. And
34:13
Speaker 5: I remember thinking, you know, I know politics can be brutal.
34:19
Speaker 5: I know that as a member of parliament it can
34:20
Speaker 5: be robust. But as a young person who just wants
34:23
Speaker 5: to work in politics and working as an electric officer,
34:26
Speaker 5: I mean that was their workplace. That was their place
34:28
Speaker 5: where they want to come and serve the community and
34:30
Speaker 5: help people with NDIS issues, I help people with access
34:34
Speaker 5: to the Department of Immigration or Centerlink or any of
34:39
Speaker 5: the other government services that we might have. And for
34:43
Speaker 5: my staff to have to walk into their place of
34:45
Speaker 5: a place of work and see that it was devastating,
34:48
Speaker 5: and then not to mention the residential apartments above where
34:52
Speaker 5: they had to be evacuated at three point thirty in
34:54
Speaker 5: the morning, Carolina, Yeah, it was a pretty shocking day
34:57
Speaker 5: and a reminder of how, you know, how not every
34:59
Speaker 5: time words lead to violence, but most of the time
35:03
Speaker 5: this sort of hate field violence begins with words, and
35:07
Speaker 5: we saw the words splashed across my face. That was
35:10
Speaker 5: the inspiration for that sort of violence to me and
35:12
Speaker 5: my staff. So yeah, I I no one should have
35:18
Speaker 5: to go through that. I love our democracy, I love
35:20
Speaker 5: the political debate, I love talking about interesting topics and
35:22
Speaker 5: even I'm really you know, I really, I'm a student
35:25
Speaker 5: of history of the Middle East and I like talking
35:27
Speaker 5: about it. But there is a way in which we
35:30
Speaker 5: need to be able to discuss these difficult things without
35:32
Speaker 5: descending into that sort of violence that I think sometimes
35:35
Speaker 5: and too often, we lose.
35:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it was horrific to see you targeted like that.
35:40
Speaker 3: Josh. You've called in your.
35:42
Speaker 4: Submission to the Royal Commission for a strengthening of the
35:46
Speaker 4: Online Safety Act, But how do you balance that with
35:51
Speaker 4: ballid concerns about potential overreach that this would then be
35:56
Speaker 4: used to stamp out any speech that the government of
35:59
Speaker 4: the day or the Easafety Commissioner doesn't like, for example,
36:03
Speaker 4: about radical gender ideology or radical Islam.
36:06
Speaker 5: Well, the Safety Commissioner performs that role right now. So
36:10
Speaker 5: if there's someone who puts up abuse you know that
36:13
Speaker 5: is like a hyper sexualized revenge porn post or child
36:22
Speaker 5: sexual abuse post, the Safety Commissioner can make a takedown
36:25
Speaker 5: auto straight away. So the Safety Commissioner does intercept in
36:29
Speaker 5: abusive posts. I think, as you say, it does need
36:33
Speaker 5: to be balanced, and I want people to be able
36:35
Speaker 5: to participate freely. I don't want to restrict freedom of speech.
36:39
Speaker 5: I don't want to restrict our democracy in any way,
36:41
Speaker 5: shape or form. In fact, I want people to be
36:43
Speaker 5: discussing the policies and the issues and the agenda of
36:48
Speaker 5: what's going on in our society. But there is a
36:50
Speaker 5: difference between discussing the policies and the actions of governments
36:53
Speaker 5: and political outfits and you know, and legitimate ideas versus
36:59
Speaker 5: tig getting and attributing, you know, dehumanizing qualities to a
37:03
Speaker 5: group of people on the basis of their race, religion, gender,
37:07
Speaker 5: you know, whatever it is. If you're talking about Jewish
37:11
Speaker 5: people and you're doing so in a dehumanizing and abusive
37:14
Speaker 5: in a villifying way, well, I think this primarily the responsibility.
37:19
Speaker 5: Responsibility should be on the social media platforms, and they
37:23
Speaker 5: are the ones who should be having a greater ability
37:26
Speaker 5: to make sure that the Internet is safe for people.
37:29
Speaker 8: But where they fail.
37:31
Speaker 5: To do so, the Safety Commission, just like they're doing
37:33
Speaker 5: now for posts that are clearly damaging and are clearly
37:38
Speaker 5: unsafe to be online. They should be able to make
37:42
Speaker 5: a determination of whether or not a post is vilifying
37:45
Speaker 5: another individual and it's you know, it's just taking it down.
37:49
Speaker 5: That's all. That would all the powers that I'm suggesting
37:52
Speaker 5: they should be able to do.
37:53
Speaker 4: There have been calls for senior labor ministers to front
37:57
Speaker 4: the Royal Commission on what is being called maybe major
38:00
Speaker 4: policy failings. Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisas said Anthony Alberizi
38:06
Speaker 4: and Tony Burke should appear. Do you agree should members
38:10
Speaker 4: of your government take the stand to answer questions as
38:14
Speaker 4: to how they may have contributed to this rise and
38:17
Speaker 4: anti semitism?
38:18
Speaker 5: Well, I mean i'm here today. I was the first
38:21
Speaker 5: federal MP to or here before the Commission. We are
38:24
Speaker 5: fully supporting the Commission. In fact, Caroline, we set up
38:26
Speaker 5: this Commission as a federal labor government, not in a
38:29
Speaker 5: political way, but in a way that is so important
38:32
Speaker 5: for our country and whatever way in which the federal
38:34
Speaker 5: government can help and support this Commission in its work,
38:39
Speaker 5: and it's an important work of making sure Australia is
38:41
Speaker 5: safe not just for the Jewish community but for all
38:44
Speaker 5: people and to restore that social cohesion that has helped
38:46
Speaker 5: the fine Australian life. Then it's incumbent on all of
38:49
Speaker 5: us across the federal government to do whatever we can
38:51
Speaker 5: to help the Commission. And I was proud to be
38:54
Speaker 5: here today, Josh, thank you and thanks for having me on.
38:58
Speaker 4: Well, coming up a run, heads back to the negotiating
39:01
Speaker 4: table with Trump. Elon Levy joins me later, and Andy
39:05
Speaker 4: Burnham wants to rewire Britain. Is it real reform or
39:09
Speaker 4: socialism in a shinier suit. Talk TV host Phil Dave
39:13
Speaker 4: joins me after the break. Well, Andy Burnham is barely
39:20
Speaker 4: back in the door as a UK Labor MP, and
39:23
Speaker 4: he's already unveiled plans to rewire Britain with a so
39:27
Speaker 4: called Number ten North based in Manchester, or powerful local
39:32
Speaker 4: mayors and greater public control over water, housing, energy and transport.
39:38
Speaker 4: Burnham laid out his agenda in a speech earlier today.
39:43
Speaker 10: Westminster hasn't been working for people, and it hasn't been
39:47
Speaker 10: working for a very long time. In fact, it is broken.
39:52
Speaker 10: We will bring about the biggest rebalancing of power our
39:56
Speaker 10: country has seen. It is time for title to accept
40:01
Speaker 10: the growth cannot be ordered from the top down. Instead,
40:06
Speaker 10: it can only be nurtured from the bottom up.
40:10
Speaker 4: Talk TV hose to Phil, David joins me. Now, Phil,
40:14
Speaker 4: can Burnham really claim a mandate for all of this
40:18
Speaker 4: when voters haven't chosen him in a general election? Of
40:22
Speaker 4: course they don't need to, but he is replacing Keirs Dama,
40:27
Speaker 4: and they didn't vote for all the things he's promising
40:29
Speaker 4: to do.
40:31
Speaker 1: No, And I think what's particularly interesting about Andy Burnham
40:35
Speaker 1: is that he was one of the loudest voices when
40:37
Speaker 1: the Tories who were last in power between twenty ten
40:41
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty four, and they changed Prime minister's goodness
40:44
Speaker 1: and he knows how many times. I think that more
40:46
Speaker 1: times than I had dinner. But basically what happened was
40:49
Speaker 1: is that at the time when I think it was
40:52
Speaker 1: between Liz Truss and Richie Sunak, when Liz trust stepped
40:56
Speaker 1: down at Richie Senac took over, Burnham was one of
40:59
Speaker 1: the ones who who was crying out the loudest to
41:01
Speaker 1: say we need a general election. And funnily enough, he
41:05
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have offered that same bit of advice
41:10
Speaker 1: now that he's potentially in line to become the Prime minister.
41:13
Speaker 1: So I don't quite understand that of why he's had
41:15
Speaker 1: such a dramatic change of mind, or perhaps maybe do
41:17
Speaker 1: I look, does he have a mandate?
41:20
Speaker 3: Look?
41:20
Speaker 1: I would suggest no. But then at the same time, unfortunately,
41:24
Speaker 1: this is the way that the British voting system or
41:28
Speaker 1: the British political system works. Technically we can change prime
41:31
Speaker 1: minister in the middle of a term and they, if
41:35
Speaker 1: you like, can set up what they plan to do.
41:37
Speaker 1: But I absolutely think of course it should go to
41:39
Speaker 1: a vote. These are the radical changes we're talking about
41:41
Speaker 1: that could seriously damage the country.
41:44
Speaker 4: Well on these radical changes here, do you accept there's
41:48
Speaker 4: any real reform in his plan, his tenure plan or
41:52
Speaker 4: is this just reheated socialism with the Northerner accent.
41:57
Speaker 1: Well, I think it was kemmy Bedenok, who's the leader
42:00
Speaker 1: of the opposition, came out with possibly one of the
42:03
Speaker 1: greatest quotes. She said that Labor have frankly just replaced
42:08
Speaker 1: their existing prime minister with a black T shirt and eyebrows.
42:12
Speaker 1: So in other words, in other words, what she's getting
42:14
Speaker 1: at is that there won't really be any change in
42:16
Speaker 1: terms of policy, It won't really be radically different to
42:19
Speaker 1: what Starmer would probably have liked to have done himself,
42:21
Speaker 1: had he have had the gumption to do it. I
42:24
Speaker 1: think that what we'll see with someone like Burnham is
42:26
Speaker 1: that he has got that backbone. He doesn't really care
42:29
Speaker 1: too much whether or not people are for him or
42:32
Speaker 1: against him. If he's in that position of power, he's
42:35
Speaker 1: going to plow through as best as he can. And look,
42:38
Speaker 1: I worry for the future of the UK because socialism
42:42
Speaker 1: has never really proven to work elsewhere, so I don't
42:44
Speaker 1: know why on earth he thinks it would work for
42:46
Speaker 1: the UK.
42:47
Speaker 4: Just for that, can we bade and not quote there
42:50
Speaker 4: just picturing Keystama walking off changing in a t show
42:53
Speaker 4: and putting on those grautcho Marx glasses.
42:57
Speaker 1: A bit like Doctor Who Regenerating or something.
42:59
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, But does Britain really need more local bureaucracy.
43:04
Speaker 4: I mean he's calling for more powers for local mayor.
43:06
Speaker 4: He was one in Manchester for a while. The country
43:10
Speaker 4: is already crying out for competence surely and less red tape.
43:16
Speaker 1: But this is what I find really strange about this
43:19
Speaker 1: is because I think he's forgotten he's no longer the
43:22
Speaker 1: mayor of Greater Manchester because he managed to be the
43:25
Speaker 1: mayor of Greater Manchester without those powers that he's now
43:28
Speaker 1: saying he's going to offer to regional mayors. So he's
43:32
Speaker 1: actually now sort of finding himself potentially in a position
43:35
Speaker 1: where he has just obtained power to give it away.
43:39
Speaker 1: And I don't understand his mentality. I don't get that
43:42
Speaker 1: at all. And if we look on a more serious
43:44
Speaker 1: note at what has happened here in London, where the
43:48
Speaker 1: Mayor of London said he coln he has had some
43:51
Speaker 1: of those sort of powers that Andy Burnham was craving
43:54
Speaker 1: in Manchester for quite a number of years now, and
43:57
Speaker 1: he and others have really done their level best rankly,
44:00
Speaker 1: I think, to destroy what was once a great capital city.
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Speaker 1: So and I know I'm not the only one who
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Speaker 1: thinks like that. So if that's now potentially what we're
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Speaker 1: facing for the whole of the UK, I think we're
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Speaker 1: in big trouble.
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Speaker 10: Well.
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Speaker 4: Her thoughts and prayers go out to Phil Dave, and
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Speaker 4: thank you very much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 3: Appreciate it still to come.
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Speaker 4: Israel says it won't withdraw a millimeter from Lebanon until
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Speaker 4: Hezbollah is designed, and Trump and Iran head back to
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Speaker 4: the negotiating table. Elon Levy joins me. Next, Iran and
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Speaker 4: the US is set to meet in Doha after weekend
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Speaker 4: strikes threatened to derail Trump's interim peace deal with Tehran,
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Speaker 4: now saying the talks will focus on the Strait of
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Speaker 4: Hormuz and de escalation. Here were Trump's thoughts on the talks.
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Speaker 3: However, the.
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Speaker 6: Meeting in Doha is going to be.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps important.
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Speaker 9: Perhaps we're going.
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Speaker 6: To find out.
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Speaker 4: Former Israeli government spokesperson Elon Levy joins me. Now, Elon,
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Speaker 4: thanks for your time tonight. Do you believe Iran is
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Speaker 4: genuine about wanting to negotiate anything or is the regime
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Speaker 4: just buying time after being hit hard by the US
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Speaker 4: and Israel.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Iranian regime is trying to buy time and
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Speaker 7: if it can buy the Strait of hor moves. The
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Speaker 7: Iranian regime has no interest in ending the triple thread
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Speaker 7: of its nuclear program, ballistic missiles, and proxy armies. It
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Speaker 7: wants to use these negotiations, use the fact it's holding
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Speaker 7: the global economy hostage to reassert its grip, not to
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Speaker 7: reassert to assert its grip on the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 7: They're planning to conquer the Strait of hor moves, erect
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Speaker 7: a toll booth over it, charge ships to go through it,
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Speaker 7: insists they need permission to go through what should be
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Speaker 7: a free international waterway. And we see that they're just
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Speaker 7: mocking the United States with a tax on international ships,
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Speaker 7: a tax on American basis, saying there are no negation
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Speaker 7: negotiations scheduled for cutter at all. I don't know what
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Speaker 7: gentleman's agreement.
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Speaker 10: Jd.
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Speaker 7: Vance thinks he's reached with the bloodthirsty officers of the IRGC.
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Speaker 7: But the sooner the United States realizes the Iranians are
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Speaker 7: trying to string them along, the better look.
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Speaker 4: I think it's pretty incredible that they have even given
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Speaker 4: them this much space, this much rope. Really, Trump says
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Speaker 4: violence will be met with violence. I mean, we've heard
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Speaker 4: him use threats before to end the civilization and Iran
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Speaker 4: and so on. I mean, arguably it's the only understand
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Speaker 4: the language that the regime understands. But then there is
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Speaker 4: this acronym for Trump, Taco. Trump always chickens out. Do
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Speaker 4: you think he'll follow through with these threats?
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Speaker 7: I think to Trump's credit, he threw a lot of
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Speaker 7: military weight at the Iranians. The problem is the moment
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Speaker 7: the Iranians closed the straight up Hormuz, the rest of
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Speaker 7: the world should have treated that as an act of
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Speaker 7: war and said, this is an act of war against
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Speaker 7: the global economy. We're going to force you to open
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Speaker 7: the Straight of Hormus. Instead, America's allies said, look, America,
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Speaker 7: you broke it, You fix it. This is your problem.
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Speaker 7: And the Iranians learned that they can close the Strait
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Speaker 7: of Hormus and no one is going to stop them
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Speaker 7: because eventually America will give in to the economic and
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Speaker 7: political pressure because of rising gas prices. And this is
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Speaker 7: going to have implications for critical waterways all around the
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Speaker 7: world as regimes look at them and realize that with
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Speaker 7: enough military force they can get whatever they want. And
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Speaker 7: even the mightiest power on Earth is going to lose
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Speaker 7: a staring match and not force them to reopen it.
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Speaker 7: So I think it's a tragedy the world didn't force
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Speaker 7: the Iranians to stop this blockade of the Strait of Hormus,
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Speaker 7: and now the Uranians are going to keep blockading hormones
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Speaker 7: again and again and again because they've learned they can
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Speaker 7: get away with it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got that leverage.
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Speaker 4: Now, you're right, Israel's Defense minister says the IDF will
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Speaker 4: not withdraw a MILLIMETERO from Lebanon until Hesbalah is disarmed,
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Speaker 4: even as Lebanon's president claims its army will deploy right
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Speaker 4: up to the Israeli border. But elon, can Israel trust
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Speaker 4: the Lebanese army to actually disarm Hezbolah.
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Speaker 7: So far, Lebanon has been either unable or unwilling and
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Speaker 7: completely useless that dismantling has Bola despite promises again and
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Speaker 7: again and again. And that's how has Bola assembled a
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Speaker 7: full invasion force on Israel's borders.
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Speaker 2: Terrific news.
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Speaker 7: Now with the framework agreement between Israel and Lebanon in
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Speaker 7: Washington that says the sides will begin negotiations towards full peace,
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Speaker 7: and Israel is saying we're willing to give southern Lebanon
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Speaker 7: back to a Lebanese government that can maintain a peaceful border.
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Speaker 7: We're not giving the territory back to Hezbola. And until
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Speaker 7: Lebanon can prove that it can dismantle has Bola, then
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Speaker 7: any Israeli pull out is just giving territory back to
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Speaker 7: the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps who control has Bola. So
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Speaker 7: this is a deal to create pilot zones in which
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Speaker 7: Israel will redeploy the Lebanese armed forces can move in,
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Speaker 7: and now they have to prove they're capable of dismantling Hezbola.
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Speaker 7: If Lebanon can do the basic thing of asserting its
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Speaker 7: sovereignty over its own territory, Israel will pulled back and
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Speaker 7: there will be peace. But if Lebanon can't get a
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Speaker 7: grip on its own territory, Israel isn't going to allow
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Speaker 7: these Iranian funded terrorists to be within spitting distance of
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Speaker 7: Israeli houses.
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Speaker 3: Again, very quickly Elon.
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Speaker 4: But there's this Critics of Israel say, well, Israel just
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Speaker 4: has territorial ambients over Lebanon. The Israeli Defense Minister again
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Speaker 4: said that's not true. They're just protecting the people. What
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Speaker 4: would you respond to people who say that.
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Speaker 7: These critics forget that Israel pulled out of every millimeter
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Speaker 7: of Lebanon in the year two thousand and into that
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Speaker 7: vacuum was not a nice liberal democracy. It was an
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Speaker 7: Iranian funded terrorist group called Hezbola that built a missile
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Speaker 7: arsenal of one hundred and fifty thousand missiles and an
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Speaker 7: invasion force on Israel's borders. Israel doesn't want to control Lebanon.
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Speaker 7: It wants peace with Lebanon. The problem is we have
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Speaker 7: a terrorist group called Hezbola in the middle. The sooner
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Speaker 7: they get rid of his bl the sooner we can
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Speaker 7: have flights between Televiv and Beirut.
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Speaker 4: Hell On, Levy, Thanks for your time tonight, We're out
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Speaker 4: of time. Tomorrow night, Shari's not on. It will be
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Speaker 4: Paul Murray's special on the twenty five year anniversary of America.
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Speaker 3: And right now.
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Speaker 4: Over to Paul murray two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.
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Speaker 3: I mean