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- 0:05Speaker 1: Tonight on Frontline.
- 0:06Speaker 2: He lives in this fantasy about being a great.
- 0:09Speaker 1: Man, the loner, and the dreamer at the heart of
- 0:13Speaker 1: the Kennedy assassination.
- 0:14Speaker 3: He wanted to be an active gorilla in the effort
- 0:17Speaker 3: to bring about a new world order.
- 0:22Speaker 4: President Kennedy's been cut down by assassin's bullets.
- 0:24Speaker 1: Twenty years ago, Frontline documented the life of Lee Harvey Oswald.
- 0:29Speaker 1: Before memories faded.
- 0:31Speaker 4: The chaos was taking place. This gentleman and his wife
- 0:33Speaker 4: and two children were on the grass.
- 0:35Speaker 5: We heard a blast the shop.
- 0:37Speaker 1: Scaflove ooh click click oo.
- 0:40Speaker 6: Click click, and the President looked like that.
- 0:42Speaker 7: He right jumped up in his seat, click click, and he.
- 0:45Speaker 8: Fell shot in the side of the head.
- 0:48Speaker 9: Any effort to explain what happened in Dallas must explain
- 0:52Speaker 9: Lee Harvey Oswald. He is not an easy man to explain.
- 0:58Speaker 1: Loan gunman, or part of a conspiracy. The evidence is
- 1:02Speaker 1: often ambiguous. A market on the fiftieth anniversary of President
- 1:07Speaker 1: Kennedy's assassination, Frontline's definitive investigation of the mysterious life and
- 1:13Speaker 1: character of Lee Harvey Oswald. At the edge of downtown Dallas,
- 1:34Speaker 1: the Union Pacific Railroad crosses a triple underpass near a
- 1:38Speaker 1: place called Daley Plaza. On the north side of Dealey
- 1:56Speaker 1: Plaza are the Dallas County Jail, the courthouse, and the
- 2:01Speaker 1: Texas School Book Depository in Dealey Plaza. It will always
- 2:08Speaker 1: be November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
- 2:14Speaker 10: I noticed that there are a number of.
- 2:17Speaker 11: Hidden zippers in these jackets helped for these four mens.
- 2:20Speaker 8: He that can't be thing?
- 2:22Speaker 11: Is it for mad money?
- 2:22Speaker 1: And you know well, it's appears somewhere in your place.
- 2:25Speaker 12: They can be wherever you want.
- 2:31Speaker 13: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
- 2:32Speaker 4: You'll excuse the fact that I'm out of breath, but
- 2:35Speaker 4: this is.
- 2:35Speaker 14: From the United Press from Dallas.
- 2:37Speaker 4: President Kennedy and Governor John Connolly have been cut down
- 2:40Speaker 4: by assassin's bullets in downtown Dallas. They were writing an
- 2:43Speaker 4: open automobile on the shots the.
- 2:44Speaker 15: Floor book depository headed put the people underpass.
- 2:47Speaker 16: There were three lobbberating.
- 2:50Speaker 17: We're having to look up at about the business exploor of
- 2:53Speaker 17: the Texas Book Depository.
- 2:54Speaker 18: That he thought the rifle being pulled back yet of
- 2:56Speaker 18: what I'm coming.
- 2:57Speaker 4: In art, Let's see, let's get reorganized here. I've been
- 3:03Speaker 4: the cable over there we're on the air.
- 3:05Speaker 15: Burdon, let's talk to you.
- 3:08Speaker 19: I could get back.
- 3:10Speaker 20: This is what I've been told that Presdent was shot
- 3:13Speaker 20: in the head, Conley was shot in the chest.
- 3:15Speaker 21: Both of them are still alive.
- 3:16Speaker 20: When I left the hospital, do you have some film?
- 3:18Speaker 14: And yeah, I have film in.
- 3:20Speaker 1: The film and see if you can get a developed
- 3:21Speaker 1: real quick on their.
- 3:25Speaker 22: Also being rushed.
- 3:27Speaker 4: When I first looked over the balcony to room and
- 3:29Speaker 4: just booked in our studio that I am meeting for
- 3:32Speaker 4: the first time as well as you.
- 3:33Speaker 1: This is w f A TV in Dallas, Texas.
- 3:35Speaker 6: May I have your name, please, sir?
- 3:37Speaker 4: My name is Abraham, mister Zada, and would you tell
- 3:42Speaker 4: us your story?
- 3:42Speaker 9: Please?
- 3:43Speaker 16: You?
- 3:44Speaker 22: I you got out and about a half hourlier and
- 3:47Speaker 22: get a good spot to shoot some pictures as the
- 3:52Speaker 22: presidents coming down from Houston Street making us turned. I
- 3:56Speaker 22: had a shot and he slumped to the side like this.
- 4:01Speaker 22: Then I had another shot at too. I couldn't say
- 4:03Speaker 22: it was one or two, and I saw as that
- 4:06Speaker 22: practically opened.
- 4:06Speaker 1: Up all blood and everything. And I kept telling shooting
- 4:10Speaker 1: that's about all. I'm just sick. I can I.
- 4:13Speaker 4: Think that pretty well expresses the entire feelings of the
- 4:15Speaker 4: whole world.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Within two hours, the police had arrested twenty four year
- 4:20Speaker 1: old Lee Harvey Oswald. He was a former Marine who
- 4:25Speaker 1: had once defected to the Soviet Union. Only weeks earlier,
- 4:29Speaker 1: he had visited Soviet and Cuban diplomatic missions in Mexico.
- 4:34Speaker 6: The original complaint at the police department, filed on Lee
- 4:38Speaker 6: Oswald around midnight on the twenty second November, said that
- 4:42Speaker 6: Lee Oswald did in furtherance of an international communist conspiracy
- 4:46Speaker 6: as sas night President John F.
- 4:48Speaker 1: Kennedy that night, as Air Force one brought John Kennedy's
- 4:55Speaker 1: body home to Washington. The new president was afraid that
- 4:58Speaker 1: Oswald's apparent Communist connections could spark an international crisis. President
- 5:03Speaker 1: Johnson ordered the district attorney to drop any reference to
- 5:06Speaker 1: a communist conspiracy.
- 5:09Speaker 4: Had a sad time for people.
- 5:12Speaker 6: Johnson was fearful that if just had gotten out, it
- 5:15Speaker 6: would flame public opinion and could possibly lead to World
- 5:20Speaker 6: War three. This is exactly how World War One began
- 5:25Speaker 6: with an assassination.
- 5:29Speaker 1: Nine months later, President Johnson's Warrant Commission concluded there had
- 5:33Speaker 1: been no conspiracy, But in nineteen seventy nine, the House
- 5:37Speaker 1: Assassinations Committee concluded there probably had been a plot to
- 5:40Speaker 1: kill the president. Meanwhile, conspiracy theories have multiplied as Hollywood
- 5:46Speaker 1: movies and two thousand books have accused the CIA, the FBI,
- 5:51Speaker 1: the Pentagon, Fidel Castro, Anti Castro, Cubans, the KGB, the mafia,
- 5:57Speaker 1: right wing oilmen, and even Lyndon Johnson himself of assassinating
- 6:01Speaker 1: John Kennedy. Loan gunman, conspirator, or Patsy. Lee Harvey Oswald
- 6:13Speaker 1: is the ambiguous figure at the heart of the Kennedy assassination.
- 6:19Speaker 9: Any effort to explain what happened in Dallas must explain
- 6:23Speaker 9: Lee Arvey Oswell, and Lee Arvy Oswell is a mystery
- 6:28Speaker 9: wrapped up in an enigma, hidden behind a riddle. He
- 6:32Speaker 9: is not, I put it in several words, an easy
- 6:35Speaker 9: man to explain.
- 6:38Speaker 1: And easy explanations. Died fifty years ago when Oswald, in
- 6:43Speaker 1: his turn, fell to an assassin's bullet. As a boy,
- 7:02Speaker 1: the Bronx Zou was a haven for Lee Oswald. He
- 7:07Speaker 1: seemed to prefer the company of animals to people. He
- 7:11Speaker 1: had not set foot in school for nearly two months
- 7:14Speaker 1: when he was picked up at the zoo for truancy
- 7:16Speaker 1: and taken to juvenile court. Lee thought he had better
- 7:24Speaker 1: ways to use his time than go to school. He
- 7:27Speaker 1: spent his days at the public library and museums, and
- 7:31Speaker 1: endless hours learning the New York City subway system.
- 7:37Speaker 23: I remember him vividly. He was a skinny, unprepossessing kid.
- 7:43Speaker 23: He was not a mentally disturbed kid. As a matter
- 7:46Speaker 23: of fact, his IQ was better than average. He was
- 7:50Speaker 23: just emotionally frozen. He was a kid who had never
- 7:54Speaker 23: developed a really trusting relationship with anybody.
- 8:10Speaker 1: He was born October eighteenth, nineteen thirty nine, in New Orleans,
- 8:14Speaker 1: the son of Marguerite and Robert Oswald.
- 8:17Speaker 24: You go back to the death of the dad two
- 8:19Speaker 24: months before he was born. That's a tremendous impact. What
- 8:25Speaker 24: Lee missed from his childhood, in comparison to me, was
- 8:29Speaker 24: the whole family being together all the time, the continuity there,
- 8:39Speaker 24: the stability. The lack of stability I think entered into
- 8:44Speaker 24: that to a large degree.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Marguerite sent the older boys into an orphanage. Lee stayed
- 8:52Speaker 1: with his mother.
- 8:54Speaker 24: I don't know at what age mother verbalized to lead
- 8:58Speaker 24: the effect that she felt he was a burdened Certainly,
- 9:02Speaker 24: by age three he had the sense that you know,
- 9:05Speaker 24: we were a burden.
- 9:08Speaker 1: When he was three years old, Lee too was sent
- 9:10Speaker 1: to the orphanage. Like Lee, Marguerite herself grew up without
- 9:17Speaker 1: a parent. It was their common bond.
- 9:20Speaker 24: She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee.
- 9:26Speaker 24: The time and circumstances always seemed to be against the world.
- 9:29Speaker 24: Older a living she wanted to be somebody. I think
- 9:32Speaker 24: this was passed on to Lee.
- 9:37Speaker 1: At the age of twelve, Lee was back with his mother.
- 9:40Speaker 1: They moved to a small apartment in the Bronx. While
- 9:43Speaker 1: Marguerite worked days in a dress shop, Lee spent his
- 9:46Speaker 1: time alone.
- 9:53Speaker 23: From what I could garner, he really interacted with no one.
- 9:57Speaker 23: He made his own meals. His mother left it around
- 10:00Speaker 23: seven and came home at seven, and he shifted for himself.
- 10:04Speaker 23: You got the feeling of a kid nobody gave a
- 10:07Speaker 23: darn about him, that he was just floating along in
- 10:11Speaker 23: the world with no emotional resources at all.
- 10:21Speaker 1: His political awakening came in nineteen fifty three, when Julius
- 10:25Speaker 1: and Ethel Rosenberg were sentenced to death as Russian spies.
- 10:32Speaker 25: The first instance we have of Lee Harvey Oswald's politics
- 10:37Speaker 25: is that he picked up a leaflet in New York
- 10:40Speaker 25: City about the coming execution of the Rosenbergs, and as
- 10:46Speaker 25: he reads this, it begins to show him that there's
- 10:50Speaker 25: a way of finding himself by opposing the established order.
- 10:56Speaker 26: I was looking for a key to my environment and
- 11:00Speaker 26: gothered socialist literature. I had to dig for my books
- 11:04Speaker 26: in the back, dusty shells of libraries.
- 11:13Speaker 1: When the truant officer came after Lee again, he and
- 11:16Speaker 1: his mother fled New York. They moved back to New Orleans,
- 11:26Speaker 1: to the edge of the French Quarter, but their home
- 11:29Speaker 1: was far from the tourists on Bourbon Street.
- 11:36Speaker 9: That street at that time was one den of iniquity
- 11:39Speaker 9: after another, strip joints, gambling joints. It was a place
- 11:43Speaker 9: where every hustler and pimp in New Orleans applied his trade.
- 11:48Speaker 9: Oswald grew up in a community and environment of crime
- 11:53Speaker 9: and corruption.
- 11:55Speaker 26: Yes, Sir, I am sixteen years of age and would
- 11:57Speaker 26: like more information about your youth league.
- 12:00Speaker 1: His interest in socialism may have divertedly from the vices
- 12:03Speaker 1: in his neighborhood.
- 12:04Speaker 26: I am a Marxist and have been studying Socialists principles
- 12:07Speaker 26: for well over fifteen months. I am very interested in
- 12:10Speaker 26: your YPSL. Sincerely, Lee Oswald.
- 12:18Speaker 1: When he was sixteen, Lee joined the Civil Air Patrol,
- 12:22Speaker 1: a youth auxiliary of the Air Force. Then, just after
- 12:25Speaker 1: his seventeenth birthday, he enlisted in the Marines. It was
- 12:29Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six, the height of the Cold War.
- 12:34Speaker 27: Mean look me o.
- 12:38Speaker 1: To him.
- 12:39Speaker 25: The Marine Corps was a vehicle for escaping from all
- 12:45Speaker 25: the things that were holding him down in his life.
- 12:47Speaker 25: Look what he got as a marine. He learned to
- 12:49Speaker 25: use a rifle, he learned to travel, and he got
- 12:52Speaker 25: away from his family.
- 12:56Speaker 28: Said it right now?
- 12:57Speaker 14: Can't is that two hundred mere?
- 13:00Speaker 1: Oswald received extensive training in marksmanship whoa Some have claimed
- 13:13Speaker 1: he was a poor shot, but military records indicate otherwise.
- 13:19Speaker 21: He shoots on a rifle range two hundred and twelve,
- 13:22Speaker 21: which means he qualifies for the second highest position in
- 13:24Speaker 21: the Marine Corps, that of a sharpshooter. Near the end
- 13:32Speaker 21: of his stay in the Marines in nineteen fifty nine,
- 13:35Speaker 21: he went back to requalify himself in the range, still
- 13:37Speaker 21: shot one hundred and ninety one and still qualified as
- 13:40Speaker 21: a marksman.
- 13:48Speaker 1: Oswald asked to be a radar controller. He received training
- 13:53Speaker 1: and then shipped out for what would be his first
- 13:55Speaker 1: Great Foreign Adventure A posting Atsugi, Japan.
- 14:02Speaker 25: What he arrived at at Atsugi Air Base in Japan
- 14:05Speaker 25: wasn't simply an Air Force defense base. It was a
- 14:09Speaker 25: CIA base, and the CIA program taking place at that
- 14:14Speaker 25: base involved one of America's most secret and important reconnaissance missions,
- 14:20Speaker 25: the spy plane, which became famous as the YouTube plane.
- 14:27Speaker 1: Did oswald develop ties to the CIA at Atsugi? There
- 14:31Speaker 1: is no hard evidence. What is known is that he
- 14:37Speaker 1: started to learn Russian and openly espouse the virtues of
- 14:40Speaker 1: Marxism to fellow Marines.
- 14:44Speaker 5: If you complained about we've got to go on a
- 14:47Speaker 5: march this morning, or we've got to do this this morning,
- 14:49Speaker 5: scrub barracks, or whatever we had to do, if you
- 14:51Speaker 5: were complaining about it, he would he would say that
- 14:54Speaker 5: that was the capitalist form of government making us do
- 14:57Speaker 5: these things. Karl Marx is f I would alleviate that.
- 15:02Speaker 1: Even though he was nicknamed Oswaldovich, no one investigated him
- 15:07Speaker 1: or his political sympathies.
- 15:09Speaker 9: This man was a man with a security clearance. This
- 15:12Speaker 9: man was a man who had access to highly sophisticated materials,
- 15:17Speaker 9: and he is now showing an entrance in Marxism in retrospect.
- 15:23Speaker 9: I think that what this indicates, and this was the
- 15:25Speaker 9: judgment of the committee, is that our own people aren't
- 15:28Speaker 9: as efficient as we might think they ought to be.
- 15:30Speaker 9: That more often than not, it's keystone cops and not
- 15:34Speaker 9: stainless deel efficiency.
- 15:37Speaker 1: Oswald found himself at odds with the Marine Code of Discipline.
- 15:41Speaker 1: Possession of an illegal pistol earned him a court martial
- 15:45Speaker 1: and a long stint of KP duty. Angry and resentful,
- 15:52Speaker 1: he challenged the sergeant who had busted him to a fight.
- 15:57Speaker 1: Court martialed for a second time, he was sent to
- 15:59Speaker 1: the brig He applied for an early discharge and a passport.
- 16:07Speaker 1: He was secretly planning to go to Russia.
- 16:11Speaker 25: Oswald didn't affect the Soviet Union on a sun impulse.
- 16:16Speaker 25: We know that this was well planned, and the question
- 16:19Speaker 25: is could Oswald have planned this alone or did he
- 16:22Speaker 25: have help.
- 16:25Speaker 1: Oswald's defection meant traveling from New Orleans to France, England
- 16:30Speaker 1: and Finland. From there. On October fifteenth, nineteen fifty nine,
- 16:38Speaker 1: he boarded the train from Moscow. Where did he get
- 16:47Speaker 1: the money for his travels? He later claimed he had
- 16:51Speaker 1: saved over one thousand dollars while in the Marines, but
- 16:54Speaker 1: records show he had only two hundred dollars in his
- 16:57Speaker 1: bank account. As a deluxe class tourist, Oswald had his
- 17:09Speaker 1: own in tourist guide Rimashirakova.
- 17:16Speaker 29: I took him for an excursion around the city. We
- 17:21Speaker 29: weren't to the most important sites of Moscow, such as
- 17:26Speaker 29: strategical Heart Gallery, the cathedrals and the Treasury of the
- 17:32Speaker 29: Moscow Crambling.
- 17:42Speaker 1: But Oswald seemed uninterested in the sites. On their second day,
- 17:47Speaker 1: he told Rimmer his real reason for coming. He wanted
- 17:51Speaker 1: to defect.
- 17:52Speaker 29: I was shocked. I asked his motives, his reasons, and
- 17:58Speaker 29: he said that it was his views. He said that
- 18:02Speaker 29: he was a communist. He doesn't approve of the American
- 18:07Speaker 29: way of life.
- 18:13Speaker 1: With Ruma as there go between. The KGB considered Oswald's
- 18:16Speaker 1: request to stay in Russia. Vladimir Simichastney, a former head
- 18:22Speaker 1: of the KGB who reviewed Oswald's case, explains why the
- 18:25Speaker 1: KGB rejected Oswald when he came to us.
- 18:30Speaker 15: She began to ask for asylum here so insistently. The
- 18:34Speaker 15: first reaction was to refuse and not to give him
- 18:37Speaker 15: permission to stay in the Soviet Union, let alone to
- 18:41Speaker 15: give him political asylum.
- 18:44Speaker 1: Oswald recorded his despair and what he called his historic diary.
- 18:50Speaker 26: I must leave country tonight at eight pm as viser expires.
- 18:54Speaker 26: I am shocked my dreams. I retired to my room.
- 19:02Speaker 29: That same afternoon, we were to meet downstairs as usual.
- 19:09Speaker 29: Some time passed, but he didn't appear. Certainly. I was
- 19:15Speaker 29: nervous and wanted to know what had happened, so that's
- 19:19Speaker 29: why I rushed upstairs. I knocked at the door, but
- 19:26Speaker 29: there was nons.
- 19:29Speaker 1: Hotel security man finally broke down the door.
- 19:35Speaker 29: We all tumbled in the room, and behind the shoulders
- 19:41Speaker 29: of the two men, I saw Lee in the box.
- 19:47Speaker 29: It was water there and it was a reddish so
- 19:51Speaker 29: it was blood. Lee cut his wrist.
- 20:00Speaker 1: The world was rushed unconscious to Botkin Hospital. His wounds
- 20:07Speaker 1: were quickly stitched up and bandaged. He was then transferred
- 20:11Speaker 1: to the psychiatric war Doctor Lydia Mikhalina was on duty
- 20:16Speaker 1: when Lee.
- 20:16Speaker 30: Arrived, viable a demonstrating It was my impression immediately that this
- 20:24Speaker 30: was a show suicide attempt, since he was refused political asylum,
- 20:29Speaker 30: which he had been demanding, and he tried to obtain
- 20:33Speaker 30: permission to stay in the Soviet Union by inflicting the wounds.
- 20:41Speaker 1: After seven days, Oswald was ready to be discharged, but
- 20:46Speaker 1: then the KGB called the hospital, telling them to hold
- 20:49Speaker 1: him until they arrived.
- 20:53Speaker 30: Some time later, About forty minutes, a large black car
- 20:57Speaker 30: arrived and three young men came in. They confiscated his
- 21:02Speaker 30: medical history, his discharge paper, and all his documents, and
- 21:08Speaker 30: then they told me theybout taking him away.
- 21:14Speaker 1: The KGB wanted to see if Oswald could be useful to.
- 21:17Speaker 15: Them counterintelligence and intelligence. They both looked him over to
- 21:24Speaker 15: see what he was capable of, but unfortunately neither could
- 21:28Speaker 15: find any ability at all.
- 21:35Speaker 1: Oswald was moved to a hotel while the KGB considered
- 21:38Speaker 1: his fate. After three days, he decided he'd had enough.
- 21:45Speaker 26: It seems like three years. I must have some sort
- 21:48Speaker 26: of a showdown.
- 21:53Speaker 1: On October thirty first, he went to the US embassy
- 21:56Speaker 1: and demanded to see the consul, Richard Snyder.
- 22:00Speaker 31: They put a piece of paper on my desk. It said,
- 22:03Speaker 31: I've come to revoke my American citizenship. I have applied
- 22:07Speaker 31: for Saviet's citizenship. He also volunteered the information that he'd
- 22:12Speaker 31: been while in the Marines.
- 22:14Speaker 1: He'd been a radar.
- 22:15Speaker 31: Technician, and that when he became a Salviet citizen, and
- 22:20Speaker 31: he intended to offer to the Soviet authorities everything that
- 22:25Speaker 31: he learned.
- 22:28Speaker 1: Snyder reported Oswald's threat to Washington, and the Marines changed
- 22:31Speaker 1: their radar codes. But the KGB says it was unimpressed
- 22:36Speaker 1: by the military intelligence Oswald was sharing with them.
- 22:41Speaker 15: Doomstre There were conversations, but this was such outdated information.
- 22:46Speaker 15: The kind was say, the sparrows have already chirped to
- 22:49Speaker 15: the entire world, and now Oswald.
- 22:52Speaker 1: Tells us about it.
- 22:53Speaker 15: Not the kind of information that would interest such a
- 22:56Speaker 15: high level organization like ours.
- 22:59Speaker 27: Said.
- 23:03Speaker 1: Meanwhile, word of Oswald's suicide attempt had reached the top
- 23:06Speaker 1: levels of the Kremlin. Yakatrina Fortzeva, seated just behind Nikita Khrushchev,
- 23:16Speaker 1: was the highest ranking woman in the politic Perrotea became
- 23:22Speaker 1: Oswald's champion and demanded the KGB reverse its decision and
- 23:27Speaker 1: allow him to stay.
- 23:30Speaker 25: Boxing.
- 23:31Speaker 15: If he's bagging to hal with him, let him stay
- 23:34Speaker 15: here in not to avoid an international scandal on account
- 23:38Speaker 15: of such a nobody. We're not convinced this would be
- 23:43Speaker 15: his last act of blackmail. We expected he would try again,
- 23:49Speaker 15: which would be difficult to deal with in Moscow, so
- 23:52Speaker 15: we decided to send him to Minsk.
- 23:55Speaker 32: What private means.
- 24:00Speaker 1: In January nineteen sixty Oswald moved to Minsk. He now
- 24:05Speaker 1: had the chance to become what he had always wanted
- 24:07Speaker 1: to be, a model young Marxist. Soviet authorities set him
- 24:13Speaker 1: up in style. Despite a chronic housing shortage. He was
- 24:17Speaker 1: given a choice apartment, a luxury unheard of for a
- 24:21Speaker 1: young bachelor. At the Minsk Radio and Television Factory, Oswald
- 24:29Speaker 1: helped to build prototypes of new models. As in the Marines,
- 24:34Speaker 1: he got off to a good start. Leonard Segoyika worked
- 24:38Speaker 1: with Oswald, Cadal Parshol Narabutu.
- 24:42Speaker 33: When he started work up to his training, he joined
- 24:45Speaker 33: the team and worked well too.
- 24:52Speaker 1: Oswald also befriended some college students interested in learning English.
- 24:56Speaker 1: He became fast friends with Ernst trevets Taitz made tape
- 25:02Speaker 1: recordings of Oswald to study his Southern accent.
- 25:08Speaker 17: The door of Henry's lunch Cornor opened and two men
- 25:11Speaker 17: came in. They sat down at the counter. What's yours?
- 25:14Speaker 17: George Jackson?
- 25:15Speaker 13: I gave him rather chance pieces to read, and this
- 25:20Speaker 13: happened to be well Shakespeare from a seller annest Hemingway.
- 25:26Speaker 17: The two men at the corner are the menu from
- 25:29Speaker 17: the other end of the Connor Nick Adams.
- 25:31Speaker 1: Watch also interviewed Oswald in mock dialogues. In one interview,
- 25:36Speaker 1: Lee played the part of a killer. We're going to
- 25:39Speaker 1: tell us about your last killer killing.
- 25:41Speaker 17: Well, it was a young girl under a bridge. She
- 25:44Speaker 17: came in carrying a loaf of bread and I just
- 25:46Speaker 17: cut her throat from here the year, well, I wanted
- 25:50Speaker 17: a loaf of bread.
- 25:51Speaker 13: Of course, we're just having a great time, and actually
- 25:56Speaker 13: we're laughing our heads off.
- 26:02Speaker 1: The KGB was keeping Oswald under constant surveillance and it
- 26:06Speaker 1: co opted most of the people he met, including his
- 26:10Speaker 1: best friend Pablo Glovichev.
- 26:14Speaker 32: I was met by one of their people, and it
- 26:18Speaker 32: was like this what he said, you're a country, ask you,
- 26:25Speaker 32: you're a country demands there is a foruner here. It's
- 26:30Speaker 32: in a country's interest for security and so on. That
- 26:35Speaker 32: was early on, but I told him about it a
- 26:38Speaker 32: year later. I had three or four meeting with the
- 26:42Speaker 32: KGB people. They gimme little assignments to provode him, saying,
- 26:48Speaker 32: try this out on him and see what he says.
- 26:54Speaker 1: By January nineteen sixty one. Oswald was becoming disillusioned with
- 26:58Speaker 1: life in the Soviet.
- 27:05Speaker 26: The work his drib the money again has no way
- 27:08Speaker 26: to be spent. As my Russian improves, I become increasingly
- 27:13Speaker 26: conscious of just what sort of the society I live in.
- 27:23Speaker 32: He had become disillusioned with life here. He came here
- 27:27Speaker 32: after reading a lot of marks and Lenin, thinking that
- 27:29Speaker 32: it was something good. But living here he realized it
- 27:33Speaker 32: was not so good.
- 27:34Speaker 1: Because then one night, at a dance in the Palace
- 27:42Speaker 1: of Culture, a friend introduced him to Marina prusso Kova.
- 27:47Speaker 1: Blah blah. She was a very attractive lady.
- 27:51Speaker 28: She dressed well.
- 27:55Speaker 33: We went up to her with Lee Harvey Oswald, and
- 27:58Speaker 33: he said straight away that he would like to get
- 28:01Speaker 33: to nah her. We were standing right here beside that column.
- 28:11Speaker 33: Of course, he fell in love with her straight away
- 28:15Speaker 33: at first sight, as was saying Russia.
- 28:22Speaker 1: Marina Oswald declined to be interviewed for this program, but
- 28:26Speaker 1: she did talk to writer Priscilla McMillan. McMillan befriended Marina
- 28:33Speaker 1: after the assassination and wrote an intimate portrait of the
- 28:36Speaker 1: Oswald's life together.
- 28:41Speaker 11: Marina likedly for several reasons. One was that he was polite.
- 28:48Speaker 11: She liked his being foreign. She thought that an American
- 28:53Speaker 11: would treat her better than a Russian.
- 28:57Speaker 1: Six weeks after they met, a hasty wedding party was
- 29:00Speaker 1: arranged at the home of Marina's uncle, but the KGB
- 29:05Speaker 1: was bugging their apartment and monitoring everything that went on inside.
- 29:13Speaker 34: They married and they had a girl very soon. I
- 29:19Speaker 34: don't think they were the happiest family in the world.
- 29:21Speaker 34: They had a lot of quarrels all the time, and
- 29:24Speaker 34: it was some fights.
- 29:27Speaker 1: Despite their quarrels, Lee and Marina planned to return to
- 29:30Speaker 1: the US with their daughter, June, but it took eighteen
- 29:34Speaker 1: months until Soviet and US authorities finally granted them permission
- 29:38Speaker 1: to leave.
- 29:44Speaker 15: We concluded that he was not working for American intelligence.
- 29:48Speaker 15: His intellectual, training, experience, and capabilities were such that it
- 29:53Speaker 15: would not show the LBI and the CIA in a
- 29:57Speaker 15: good light if they used people like you.
- 30:00Speaker 32: It's a rue yes, any points to take him chillocal.
- 30:06Speaker 1: Oswald's two and a half year Russian journey was over.
- 30:12Speaker 1: On June second, nineteen sixty two, Lee, Marina, and June
- 30:16Speaker 1: left for America. Oswald assumed the press would flock to
- 30:31Speaker 1: hear his story.
- 30:34Speaker 24: He had prepared answers and statements anticipating reporters either at
- 30:40Speaker 24: the ship or someplace down the line on return, and
- 30:43Speaker 24: I think he was surprised when he stepped off the
- 30:45Speaker 24: plane in Dallas levet Field. He asked me, what, no reporter?
- 30:48Speaker 24: I said, yes, I've been managed to keep it quiet
- 30:51Speaker 24: and that was it. But I think he was disappointed.
- 30:56Speaker 1: Lee moved back in with his brother Robert in Fort
- 30:59Speaker 1: Worth soon after the FBI interviewed him about his time
- 31:03Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union.
- 31:06Speaker 6: Oswald appeared at the Fort Worth Resin Agency and was
- 31:10Speaker 6: interviewed by two agents who happened to be in the office.
- 31:14Speaker 6: This interview did not turn out to be too successful
- 31:19Speaker 6: because Oswald was an aggressive, surly mood, and they finally
- 31:25Speaker 6: broke the interview off after a little while.
- 31:27Speaker 24: He said, they even asked me, you know, if I
- 31:29Speaker 24: had ever been an agent of the Federal government of
- 31:32Speaker 24: the CIA. He says, well, don't you know, and he
- 31:35Speaker 24: just laughed. He was toying with him, and he toyed
- 31:39Speaker 24: with people like that.
- 31:42Speaker 1: Officially, the FBI was the only agency that questioned Oswald.
- 31:46Speaker 1: It remains a mystery why the CIA, which had a
- 31:49Speaker 1: growing file on Oswald, maintained it never talked to him.
- 31:54Speaker 35: The FBI would certainly interview him for counter espionage purposes
- 31:58Speaker 35: and to try and find out whether the KGB had
- 32:02Speaker 35: recruited him, whether he was going to be somebody that
- 32:04Speaker 35: they had to continue to watch, what his motives were,
- 32:07Speaker 35: and all the rest of those things. And it was
- 32:09Speaker 35: the FBI's responsibility. And if they interviewed him once or twice,
- 32:13Speaker 35: that would seem to me to have been adequate.
- 32:16Speaker 36: This is that missing document, the internal document note of
- 32:20Speaker 36: septem twentieth nineteen.
- 32:21Speaker 1: Frontline researchers poured through Oswald's partially declassified CIA file at
- 32:26Speaker 1: the National Archives.
- 32:28Speaker 37: One day, I picked up a piece of paper and
- 32:30Speaker 37: turned it over and could see through the back I
- 32:32Speaker 37: could read handwriting that said Andy Anderson double OW on Oswald.
- 32:38Speaker 37: Later on we found out that double O really is
- 32:40Speaker 37: the symbol, the office symbol for the Domestic Contact Division,
- 32:43Speaker 37: which would have had the debriefing mission on Oswald, had
- 32:47Speaker 37: there been one.
- 32:49Speaker 35: I know of no contact that was made by CIA
- 32:52Speaker 35: with Oswald when he returned the United States. There may
- 32:54Speaker 35: have been one, but I'm not aware of it, and
- 32:57Speaker 35: I'm not able to shed any light on who it
- 32:59Speaker 35: would have been.
- 33:00Speaker 21: And this document doesn't change her mind, and.
- 33:02Speaker 35: Then document doesn't change my mind.
- 33:03Speaker 1: In the Slightest, Frontline interviewed over thirty CIA officers off
- 33:11Speaker 1: the record. One high ranking agent confirmed that the CIA
- 33:17Speaker 1: had debriefed Oswald, but he said it was just a
- 33:21Speaker 1: routine contact. It is still unclear why the CIA covered
- 33:25Speaker 1: up its routine debriefing of Oswald, or why the agency
- 33:30Speaker 1: still withholds hundreds of files on him. In the autumn
- 33:42Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty two, Lee and Marina moved from Fort
- 33:45Speaker 1: Worth to Dallas. That Thanksgiving, the Oswald family gathered at Robert's.
- 33:58Speaker 24: House Thanksgiving Day, November twenty second, nineteen sixty two. We
- 34:04Speaker 24: are all having a pleasant holiday atmosphere. Everybody's getting along
- 34:09Speaker 24: the fine and Lee didn't seem on any particular strain,
- 34:12Speaker 24: no indication of any particular problems.
- 34:17Speaker 1: But behind the facade, Lee was beginning to lose control.
- 34:22Speaker 1: He was picking fights at work and at home.
- 34:26Speaker 11: Lee became more and more tense, and he began to
- 34:30Speaker 11: hit Marina, something he had never done before, and by
- 34:35Speaker 11: the winter he hit her more and more frequently and harder.
- 34:47Speaker 1: Oswald had found a job in a photo lab. He
- 34:51Speaker 1: put his newfound skills to use forging a new identity
- 34:55Speaker 1: in the name of Alec Jhidell. He opened a post
- 35:01Speaker 1: office box to receive mail for himself and hidel.
- 35:08Speaker 11: Lee began to receive publications that he did not want
- 35:14Speaker 11: to get at home. They were The Worker, the newspaper
- 35:19Speaker 11: of the American Communist Party, the Militant newspaper of the
- 35:23Speaker 11: Socialist Workers' Party.
- 35:26Speaker 1: The left wing press embraced the issues that mattered to Oswald,
- 35:31Speaker 1: the campaign for civil rights in the US and Fidel
- 35:34Speaker 1: Castro's revolution in Cuba, but Oswald longed to be more
- 35:39Speaker 1: than an armchair revolutionary. At a party in February nineteen
- 35:43Speaker 1: sixty three, Oswald was introduced to oil geologist Volkmar Schmidt.
- 35:49Speaker 1: The two hounkered down by a window to talk politics.
- 35:53Speaker 38: I mentioned General Walker, who deserved criticism because he was
- 35:57Speaker 38: a racist. Retired general oldka right wing and who had
- 36:02Speaker 38: just viewed a little time before talked to students at
- 36:07Speaker 38: the University of Mississippi, who then got so agitated that
- 36:10Speaker 38: they shot and killed some.
- 36:11Speaker 1: Reporters violently opposed to the integration of African American students
- 36:18Speaker 1: in the University of Mississippi. General Walker had incited a
- 36:22Speaker 1: fifteen hour race riot. Walker was now embarked on a
- 36:29Speaker 1: cross country tour to rally support for the overthrow of Castro.
- 36:34Speaker 1: Oswald saw Walker as an up and coming hitler who
- 36:37Speaker 1: had to be stopped.
- 36:39Speaker 38: In hindsight, I probably may have given Lee Harvey Oswald
- 36:46Speaker 38: the idea to go after General Walker. I certainly didn't
- 36:52Speaker 38: tell him to take the law in his own hand,
- 36:55Speaker 38: not at all. He may also have thought of General Walker.
- 36:59Speaker 1: Independently using his alias. Lee had already ordered a thirty
- 37:04Speaker 1: eight pistol through the mail. Now he ordered more firepower,
- 37:09Speaker 1: a cheap Italian rifle. He apparently went on a reconnaissance
- 37:18Speaker 1: mission to General Walker's house and scouted the alley in
- 37:22Speaker 1: the back. Oswald drew up detailed plans for the assassination
- 37:27Speaker 1: of General Walker. He photographed Walker's house, he photographed the
- 37:32Speaker 1: area where he would stash his rifle. He marked up maps,
- 37:36Speaker 1: and wrote statements of political purpose. Lee's guns finally arrived
- 37:46Speaker 1: in the mail A few days later. He surprised Marina
- 37:51Speaker 1: while she was hanging up laundry in the backyard.
- 37:54Speaker 11: Dressed all in black, he was carrying his rifle, had
- 37:58Speaker 11: his pistol in his way, and she burst out laughing
- 38:03Speaker 11: and asked him what on earth he was doing in
- 38:05Speaker 11: that costume, and he told her she was to take
- 38:08Speaker 11: a picture of him.
- 38:13Speaker 1: The backyard photographs remain among the most incriminating and controversial
- 38:18Speaker 1: evidence against Lee Harvey Oswald.
- 38:21Speaker 9: Oswald himself shown those photographs, denied that he owned a
- 38:24Speaker 9: rifle and denied that this was him in it. He
- 38:27Speaker 9: said his head was pasted on it. The critics of
- 38:31Speaker 9: the Warren Commission seized on this.
- 38:35Speaker 1: One of the best known critics is filmmaker Oliver Stone,
- 38:39Speaker 1: whose movie JFK reflects the conspiracy view.
- 38:45Speaker 7: Oswald was no angel, that's clear, but who was he?
- 38:49Speaker 18: I'm lost boss.
- 38:50Speaker 1: Stone's movie suggests the photographs were faked in order to
- 38:54Speaker 1: frame Oswald.
- 38:55Speaker 7: It was not a real defect here, that he was
- 38:57Speaker 7: an intelligence agent on some kind of mission fogg and
- 39:00Speaker 7: remain one until the day.
- 39:01Speaker 1: The intelligence beauty murdered their own commander.
- 39:03Speaker 39: And I never could figure out why this guy orders
- 39:06Speaker 39: a traceable weapon to this post office box when he
- 39:10Speaker 39: going into any store in Texas, give a phony name
- 39:14Speaker 39: and walk out with the riffle witch cannever.
- 39:15Speaker 11: Be traded to frame him.
- 39:16Speaker 7: Obviously, there's a lot of smoke there, but there's some fine.
- 39:20Speaker 18: We're talking about our government, know, we're.
- 39:22Speaker 7: Talking about a crime bill. Feeling simple, y'all got to
- 39:25Speaker 7: start looking on a different level like the CIA does.
- 39:29Speaker 7: Now we're through the looking glass here, people, white is
- 39:32Speaker 7: black and black is white. Just maybe Oswald is exactly
- 39:38Speaker 7: what he said he was a patsy.
- 39:41Speaker 9: We took very seriously these charges. We had first the
- 39:46Speaker 9: evidence examined by the Warren Commission. Marina testifies that she
- 39:51Speaker 9: took it. She identifies the camera that she used. The
- 39:55Speaker 9: FBI was able, to the exclusion of all other cameras,
- 39:58Speaker 9: tie that camera to the the photographs, assuming that all
- 40:02Speaker 9: that's fake. We went further with a photographic panel and
- 40:06Speaker 9: studied very carefully all of the testimony about the shadows
- 40:10Speaker 9: being inappropriate. Our photographic panel indicated in great detail that
- 40:16Speaker 9: these shadows were not inappropriate, that the critics had simply
- 40:20Speaker 9: not understood optics.
- 40:22Speaker 1: Accordingly, it emerged that Oswald gave a copy of the
- 40:27Speaker 1: photograph to a friend. On the back, someone wrote in
- 40:31Speaker 1: Russian hunter of fascists, ha ha ha, and Oswald himself
- 40:36Speaker 1: signed it. The House committee's experts concluded beyond a doubt
- 40:40Speaker 1: the signature was his.
- 40:43Speaker 9: Any notion that the photograph was faked by other people
- 40:47Speaker 9: to frame Lee Harvey Oswell now has to explain the
- 40:50Speaker 9: fact that Lee Harvey Oswell himself signed that photograph.
- 40:55Speaker 1: On April first, nineteen sixty three, Lee was fired from
- 40:58Speaker 1: his job at the photo lab. No one knows where
- 41:01Speaker 1: he spent his days. Marina says he spent a few
- 41:04Speaker 1: evenings shooting target practice. On the night of April tenth,
- 41:14Speaker 1: she says he didn't come home at all.
- 41:18Speaker 11: At about ten, he still hadn't come home. She was worried.
- 41:23Speaker 11: She walked into a room, his study, which he told
- 41:27Speaker 11: her never to enter, and there on his desk she
- 41:33Speaker 11: saw a sheet of paper with a key lying on.
- 41:36Speaker 12: Top of it.
- 41:38Speaker 1: Lee wrote to Marina in Russian.
- 41:41Speaker 26: Here is the key to the post office box. You
- 41:44Speaker 26: can throw out my clothing, but as for my personal papers,
- 41:48Speaker 26: I prefer you keep them. I left you as much
- 41:51Speaker 26: money as I could.
- 41:53Speaker 11: He then explained where to find the jail, and she
- 41:56Speaker 11: had no idea what he'd gone to do, and she
- 41:59Speaker 11: was started to shake. All over.
- 42:07Speaker 1: That evening, someone fired a single shot through the window
- 42:10Speaker 1: of General Walker's study.
- 42:13Speaker 18: Looking the situation over back there forty steps behind me.
- 42:18Speaker 1: Isn't General Walker lived to tell the tale.
- 42:21Speaker 18: A bullet crashed through the window and just missed me,
- 42:27Speaker 18: and it felt much griped and dirt in my hair,
- 42:30Speaker 18: and my arm was laying on the desk, and it
- 42:32Speaker 18: was bleeding in three places, which turned out to be
- 42:36Speaker 18: fragments from the shallow casey.
- 42:39Speaker 11: Later that night, about eleven thirty, Lee came in white,
- 42:45Speaker 11: covered with sweat and looking quite wild in the eyes,
- 42:51Speaker 11: and he said I shot Walker.
- 42:54Speaker 1: The Walker case would not be resolved until after the
- 42:57Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination, when Marina told her story and the Walker
- 43:01Speaker 1: bullet was linked to Oswald's ammunition. No co conspirators were
- 43:06Speaker 1: ever identified. Two weeks later, on April twenty fourth, nineteen
- 43:14Speaker 1: sixty three, Oswald abruptly left Dallas. In seven months he
- 43:20Speaker 1: would write into the history books, but for now he
- 43:25Speaker 1: was headed for his hometown, New Orleans.
- 43:31Speaker 2: He said that he would call when he got a job,
- 43:35Speaker 2: and he did, in fact call in early May and
- 43:38Speaker 2: talked to Marina, said he'd gotten a job, that they
- 43:40Speaker 2: had a place for them to stay. Marina was elated,
- 43:44Speaker 2: very happy, as She hung up the phone and picked
- 43:47Speaker 2: up Juny and said, pop in us lubit, father loves us.
- 43:50Speaker 2: And then we loaded up the car the next day
- 43:53Speaker 2: and drove to New Orleans.
- 43:58Speaker 1: By now Oswald had found an apartment on Magazine Street.
- 44:03Speaker 2: It looked all right and had some old antique kind
- 44:08Speaker 2: of furniture in it, and that part was kind of nice,
- 44:10Speaker 2: but by evening it was very clear that it was
- 44:13Speaker 2: also terribly infested with cockroaches. When they first went into
- 44:18Speaker 2: the apartment, he really wanted her to be pleased, and
- 44:21Speaker 2: she wasn't that pleased. And I felt his hurt in that.
- 44:31Speaker 1: Oswald was about to enter the most mysterious chapter of
- 44:34Speaker 1: his short life. New Orleans was seething with intrigue and paranoia,
- 44:44Speaker 1: plot and counterplot. The city had welcomed thousands of Cuban
- 44:51Speaker 1: exiles who had fled Castro's communism. These were the people
- 44:58Speaker 1: whom Fidel Castro called sonos the worms.
- 45:03Speaker 40: A lot of as.
- 45:12Speaker 1: In Miami, they were fervently anti communists in the swamps
- 45:23Speaker 1: and bayous, violent paramilitary groups trained to overthrow Castro.
- 45:28Speaker 9: I can assure you that this flag will be returned
- 45:34Speaker 9: to this brigade.
- 45:35Speaker 41: In a Prey of Ann.
- 45:39Speaker 1: But President Kennedy's failure to topple Fidel Castro was eroding
- 45:43Speaker 1: support for him in the Cuban exile community. The hard
- 45:47Speaker 1: men and the paramilitary groups felt betrayed. In New Orleans,
- 45:52Speaker 1: the Cuban enclaves burned with a murderous hatred for the president.
- 45:57Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen sixty three, nothing could have
- 46:00Speaker 1: been more provocative than Oswald's open espousal of Castro's cause.
- 46:05Speaker 28: No, so, I'm not a Communist, and I.
- 46:08Speaker 1: Think Osweald defended Castro on local radio and gave a
- 46:12Speaker 1: television interview about his own Marxist beliefs.
- 46:14Speaker 28: You're a Marxist, well, I have studied Marxist Flaffe, yes, sir,
- 46:18Speaker 28: and also other philosophers.
- 46:20Speaker 10: But are you a Marxist.
- 46:23Speaker 8: I think you did admit that you consider yourself a Morow.
- 46:25Speaker 33: I would very.
- 46:26Speaker 28: Definitely say that I am a Marxist as a trek,
- 46:29Speaker 28: but that does not mean, however, I'm a Communist.
- 46:33Speaker 1: In May nineteen sixty three, Lee Oswald wrote to America's
- 46:37Speaker 1: leading pro Castro group, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee,
- 46:41Speaker 1: he was offering to start a chapter in New Orleans.
- 46:44Speaker 1: The Committee discouraged him, but he ignored their advice. From
- 46:49Speaker 1: his home address, he designed pro Castro leaflets and phony
- 46:52Speaker 1: membership cards. Then he began handing out the leaflets on
- 46:57Speaker 1: the streets of New Orleans. He continued to pretend he
- 47:02Speaker 1: was more than just a one man bear.
- 47:05Speaker 42: We have had members in this area for several months now.
- 47:09Speaker 42: We have decided to fill out the public what they
- 47:13Speaker 42: think of our organization, our aims, and for that purpose
- 47:17Speaker 42: we have been distributing literature on the street.
- 47:22Speaker 1: Oswald's pro Castro activities seemed genuine enough, but what happened
- 47:27Speaker 1: next is a puzzle. In August, he approached the leader
- 47:31Speaker 1: of an anti Castro group named Carlos Brgier.
- 47:34Speaker 43: When Oswald came to my store for the first time,
- 47:37Speaker 43: he was explaining how he was against Castro and he
- 47:42Speaker 43: was asking in what way he could help us to
- 47:45Speaker 43: fight against Castro. He was telling me that he would
- 47:48Speaker 43: have been in the Marine Corps, that he had experience
- 47:50Speaker 43: in guerilla warfare, and that he can help us in
- 47:53Speaker 43: the guerilla fight against Castro. The second time that Oswald
- 47:58Speaker 43: came to my store was when he brought this guy
- 48:01Speaker 43: book from Rings. He said that this was a present
- 48:03Speaker 43: for me to see if this could help me out
- 48:06Speaker 43: to fight Castro.
- 48:09Speaker 1: The manual showed how to make bombs, booby traps, and
- 48:12Speaker 1: how to conduct sabotage operations. But a few days later,
- 48:17Speaker 1: Carlos Springier found Oswald handing out Procastro leaflets on Canal Street.
- 48:25Speaker 43: It was the same Oswald that has been in my
- 48:28Speaker 43: store a few days before offering his service to fight
- 48:32Speaker 43: against Castro, and now he was with the signed Biba
- 48:35Speaker 43: Fidel and hands of CIWA.
- 48:41Speaker 1: Police were called to the scene, where an amateur movie
- 48:44Speaker 1: maker filmed the angry Cubans as they surrounded Oswald.
- 48:50Speaker 27: When we got out of the vehicle and approached the crowd,
- 48:54Speaker 27: there was about eight or ten Hispanic people that were
- 49:00Speaker 27: him yelling at him, asking him to hand over the
- 49:04Speaker 27: papers to them so they could dispose of them.
- 49:08Speaker 43: At that time, I get angry and I was approaching Oswald,
- 49:12Speaker 43: trying to punch him in the face.
- 49:15Speaker 18: When he saw that I was approaching.
- 49:17Speaker 43: And he sensed my intention, he put his arm down
- 49:19Speaker 43: and he said to me, okay, Carlus, if you want
- 49:21Speaker 43: to hit me. Immediately, I realized that he wanted to
- 49:25Speaker 43: appear as a victim, as a Martin.
- 49:29Speaker 1: When one of the Cubans took the procastro leaflets and
- 49:32Speaker 1: threw them on the ground. The police arrested Oswald and
- 49:35Speaker 1: eight Cubans for disturbing the peace. At the police station,
- 49:40Speaker 1: Oswald's conduct became even more mysterious.
- 49:44Speaker 27: We advised him that the booking procedure, which was a
- 49:47Speaker 27: municipal misdemeanor, that he was eligible for hosting a bond
- 49:52Speaker 27: of twenty five dollars in cash or getting a politician
- 49:56Speaker 27: to parole him. He said he did not one either.
- 50:00Speaker 27: He wanted to go to jail. We also told him
- 50:04Speaker 27: that part of the booking procedure would be that he
- 50:07Speaker 27: would have to be photographed and finger printed, which he
- 50:10Speaker 27: agreed to. He insisted almost that we fingerprint and photographed him.
- 50:15Speaker 1: He seemed to.
- 50:16Speaker 27: Want to let everyone.
- 50:18Speaker 23: Know who he was and what he was doing.
- 50:21Speaker 27: He could have avoided it very, very simply by saying, hey,
- 50:26Speaker 27: here's my twenty five dollars, let me go home.
- 50:29Speaker 1: What kind of double game was Oswald playing? One piece
- 50:33Speaker 1: of evidence has continued to raise important questions about Oswald's
- 50:37Speaker 1: true attitude toward Cuba and whose side he was really on.
- 50:41Speaker 19: The leaflet said Oswald hands out on Canal Street is
- 50:46Speaker 19: pro Castro leaflets hands off Cuba, telling the government to
- 50:50Speaker 19: leave it alone, let it stay. Communists like Castro alone,
- 50:53Speaker 19: and the return addresses that a stamped on it is
- 50:56Speaker 19: five p forty four Camp Street.
- 50:59Speaker 9: In that same building there is a private detective agency
- 51:03Speaker 9: by a man named Guy Banister. And Guy Banister is
- 51:07Speaker 9: certainly not pro Castro. He's an x FBI agent from
- 51:10Speaker 9: New York who is a violently anti Castro and working
- 51:17Speaker 9: to overthrow Castro. If Lee Harvey Oswell is connected to Banister,
- 51:24Speaker 9: then the Procastro activity seems to be a sham.
- 51:28Speaker 1: Guy Banister was actively involved in the secret training of
- 51:31Speaker 1: Cuban exiles. One of Banister's comrades in the fight against
- 51:36Speaker 1: Castro was a former airline pilot named David Ferry, who
- 51:40Speaker 1: had flown many dangerous missions over Cuba, and Ferry apparently
- 51:44Speaker 1: had an earlier link to Oswald. In the nineteen fifties,
- 51:52Speaker 1: David Ferry commanded a squadron in CAAP the Civil Air Patrol,
- 51:57Speaker 1: but was suspended for indoctrinating the young cadet with his
- 52:00Speaker 1: right wing views. In the fifties, Lee Oswald was in
- 52:06Speaker 1: the Civil Air Patrol and several fellow cadets said David
- 52:09Speaker 1: Ferry was one of Oswalt's instructors. Frontline uncovered the first
- 52:16Speaker 1: hard evidence that places Oswald and Ferry together. This photograph
- 52:21Speaker 1: taken in nineteen fifty five at a CAP barbecue. John
- 52:25Speaker 1: Sirovolo and Tony Atsenhoffer were in the Cap with Lee Oswald.
- 52:29Speaker 44: This is several cadets including Oswalt on the end in
- 52:33Speaker 44: the white T shirt, myself standing in front of him,
- 52:37Speaker 44: and over here in.
- 52:38Speaker 14: The white T shirt and the helmet is Dave Ferry.
- 52:41Speaker 19: Because of all of the publicity, you recognize Ferry, you
- 52:44Speaker 19: can recognize Oswald. They were both in the Cap at
- 52:48Speaker 19: the same time.
- 52:48Speaker 31: They were both wearing Cap uniforms.
- 52:52Speaker 1: After the Kennedy assassination, David Ferry denied that he ever
- 52:56Speaker 1: knew Lee Oswald. But if David Ferry was with Oswald
- 53:02Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three, it could be significant because both
- 53:06Speaker 1: Ferry and Banister were also linked to another group which
- 53:09Speaker 1: hated the president, organized crime.
- 53:14Speaker 9: We took very seriously the possibility that organized crime had
- 53:16Speaker 9: a hand in the President's death. The FBI had an
- 53:20Speaker 9: illegal electronic surveillance on the major figures of organized crime.
- 53:25Speaker 9: We did a survey of that surveillance. What we did
- 53:28Speaker 9: find and shockingly is repeated conversations by these people that
- 53:34Speaker 9: indicated the depth of their hatred for Kennedy and actual
- 53:38Speaker 9: discussions of the ought to be killed, there ought to
- 53:40Speaker 9: be whacked.
- 53:43Speaker 1: No mobster hated the Kennedys more than Carlos Marcello, the
- 53:47Speaker 1: mafia chieftain of New Orleans, was a prime target of
- 53:50Speaker 1: the administration's war on organized crime. In nineteen sixty one,
- 53:55Speaker 1: Attorney General Robert Kennedy, the President's brother, had personally ordered
- 53:59Speaker 1: mars Sollo's arrest and deportation. The Godfather was infuriated Charlots.
- 54:06Speaker 9: Marcello talks about he speaks in Sicilian, getting the stone
- 54:10Speaker 9: out of my shoe and talking about getting a nut
- 54:14Speaker 9: to kill not Bobby Kennedy, who was his nemesis, but
- 54:19Speaker 9: John Kennedy, who was the man behind the nemesis.
- 54:25Speaker 1: Marcelo returned to New Orleans to fight the deportation order.
- 54:29Speaker 1: His attorneys hired both Guy Banister and David Ferry as
- 54:33Speaker 1: investigators in the case for Robert Blakey, who believes the
- 54:37Speaker 1: mafia was involved in the Kennedy assassination. This is the
- 54:41Speaker 1: critical link when.
- 54:42Speaker 9: You find David Ferry, who is a investigator for Carlos Marcello,
- 54:48Speaker 9: being a boyhood friend to Lee Harvey Oswell, and with
- 54:52Speaker 9: him that summer and with Carlos Marcello at that very
- 54:56Speaker 9: point in time, you have an immediate connection between the
- 55:00Speaker 9: man who had the motive, opportunity and means to kill
- 55:03Speaker 9: Kennedy and the man who killed Kennedy.
- 55:07Speaker 45: The shame of this thing is that the whole question
- 55:10Speaker 45: of Oswald's activity in New Orleans was never properly investigated
- 55:15Speaker 45: by officialdom. At the beginning, Guy Banister, the former FBI
- 55:20Speaker 45: agent at five four four Camp Street, was never ever
- 55:23Speaker 45: asked by anybody about Lee Harvey Oswald. David Ferry was questioned,
- 55:30Speaker 45: but the investigation was dropped very quickly, and the names
- 55:35Speaker 45: of neither Banister nor Ferry are in the Warren Reports
- 55:39Speaker 45: simply doesn't mention either of them.
- 55:43Speaker 1: If Oswald did have a secret connection to Ferry and
- 55:45Speaker 1: Banister in nineteen sixty three, the nature of that relationship
- 55:49Speaker 1: remains unclear, but in public Oswald continued to demonstrate for castro.
- 56:00Speaker 25: Well, I think if we take Oswald at the simplest level,
- 56:04Speaker 25: what we see he's trying to do is enhance his
- 56:08Speaker 25: credentials as a supporter of Castro. One of the ways
- 56:12Speaker 25: he's trying to do this is actually work for Castro.
- 56:15Speaker 25: Another way he's trying to find out information that would
- 56:19Speaker 25: be of use to Castro, and the normal way you
- 56:22Speaker 25: find out information as you join the enemy.
- 56:26Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen sixty three, Oswald wrote an
- 56:29Speaker 1: account of his political activity in New Orleans, describing himself
- 56:33Speaker 1: as a Marxist, a street agitator and organizer who had
- 56:38Speaker 1: infiltrated Carlos Bringier's anti Castro organization. By August Oswald, who
- 56:45Speaker 1: had concealed his defection to Russia, was attracting the attention
- 56:49Speaker 1: of professional anti communists.
- 56:53Speaker 16: These are officials of INCA, the Information Council of the Americas,
- 56:57Speaker 16: an organization which, through its truth tapes and film productions,
- 57:00Speaker 16: reaches millions of people in the hemisphere. Ed Butler as
- 57:04Speaker 16: executive vice president. He is in charge of the INCA
- 57:07Speaker 16: program and engages in direct personal conflict with Communism.
- 57:12Speaker 1: Butler and Brgier were to confront Oswald at the studios
- 57:16Speaker 1: of WDSU Radio. And now back to conversation carte blanche.
- 57:20Speaker 15: Here again Bill's letter.
- 57:21Speaker 27: Mister Oswald, as you might imagine, is on the hot
- 57:24Speaker 27: seat tonight and.
- 57:24Speaker 1: I after the Kennedy assassination, the debate was re enacted
- 57:28Speaker 1: on film using the original sound recording of Oswalt's voice, Are.
- 57:32Speaker 4: You or have you been?
- 57:34Speaker 1: A Communist?
- 57:35Speaker 40: Well?
- 57:35Speaker 1: I had answered that Oswald seemed unaware that his opponents
- 57:39Speaker 1: knew all about his defection to Russia. He was about
- 57:42Speaker 1: to be exposed live on air.
- 57:44Speaker 10: Mister Butler about some newspaper clipping to my attention, he
- 57:48Speaker 10: did live in Russia for three years.
- 57:50Speaker 28: That's correct, and I think those the fact that I
- 57:53Speaker 28: did live for a time in the Soviet Union gives
- 57:56Speaker 28: me excellent qualifications to repudiate charges at Cuba.
- 58:00Speaker 46: And the fair Play for Cuba.
- 58:01Speaker 28: Committee is communist controlled.
- 58:03Speaker 47: I think he was surprised, but again he handled it,
- 58:07Speaker 47: if you listen to the debate, very coolly, and it
- 58:10Speaker 47: impeached his credibility, and yet he managed to turn it
- 58:14Speaker 47: to his advantage, which is I think shows some of
- 58:18Speaker 47: plumb certainly a lot more than most people give him
- 58:21Speaker 47: credit for. I would like to know, is it fair
- 58:25Speaker 47: play for Cuba committee or fair play for Russia committee?
- 58:29Speaker 28: Well, that is the course. Very provocative and a question.
- 58:33Speaker 28: I don't think it requires an answer.
- 58:36Speaker 32: Well, I agree.
- 58:36Speaker 47: Would you say then that the Place for Cuba Committee
- 58:39Speaker 47: isn't a communist front organization.
- 58:42Speaker 28: We have been investigated from several points of view, that is,
- 58:45Speaker 28: points of view of taxes, allegiance, subversion, and so forth.
- 58:49Speaker 28: The findings have been, as I say, absolutely zero.
- 58:53Speaker 6: Gentlemen, I'm going to after in the Rubbie rd.
- 58:55Speaker 2: Time is almost up.
- 58:56Speaker 15: Thank you very much, and good heaving.
- 58:59Speaker 47: The last thing that I are a member was Oswell
- 59:01Speaker 47: taking out a notebook, glancing up at me and fixing
- 59:05Speaker 47: me with a gaze of hatred, and asking for my
- 59:08Speaker 47: name and address and phone number, and writing it down
- 59:11Speaker 47: in the notebook, snapping it shot, looking up and giving
- 59:15Speaker 47: me that oswell sneer. I went one way and he
- 59:18Speaker 47: went the other.
- 59:19Speaker 8: Did you either are a communist or have been just right?
- 59:22Speaker 19: No?
- 59:22Speaker 1: Out that point the debate ended Oswald's campaign for Castro
- 59:26Speaker 1: on the streets of New Orleans, and he withdrew from
- 59:30Speaker 1: the public stage.
- 59:31Speaker 8: Are you an Marxist?
- 59:33Speaker 38: Yes, I am a Marxist.
- 59:37Speaker 1: By now, he had been fired from three jobs in
- 59:40Speaker 1: the past year. At his local library, he checked out
- 59:43Speaker 1: books about the assassination of Huey Long, Mautseetong's Revolution and
- 59:51Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy.
- 59:56Speaker 11: One evening, Marina came home about dusk and she saw
- 1:00:01Speaker 11: Lee on the screened in porch and he was perched
- 1:00:08Speaker 11: on his knee with his rifle at his shoulder and
- 1:00:12Speaker 11: he was aiming it. She was extremely surprised at this.
- 1:00:19Speaker 11: She hated to see him with the rifle again, but
- 1:00:23Speaker 11: he continued to dry fire the rifle for the last
- 1:00:28Speaker 11: part of August and the first part of September.
- 1:00:37Speaker 1: Marina says Lee told her he wanted to go fight
- 1:00:40Speaker 1: for Castro, and he began hatching a scheme to hijack
- 1:00:43Speaker 1: a plane to Havana.
- 1:00:46Speaker 11: He said that he would sit in the front row
- 1:00:49Speaker 11: of the airplane cabin, she would sit in the back
- 1:00:52Speaker 11: row with June, and at a certain point he would
- 1:00:58Speaker 11: put a gun in the back of the pilot of
- 1:01:01Speaker 11: the aircraft. She would stand up and keep the entire
- 1:01:07Speaker 11: passenger contingent at bay with a pistol and speak to them,
- 1:01:14Speaker 11: and she would speak to the crowd and tell them
- 1:01:17Speaker 11: to be quiet. Marina laughed at him and said, well,
- 1:01:21Speaker 11: but I don't speak English. How am I going to
- 1:01:24Speaker 11: explain to them. Eventually she laughed him out of the
- 1:01:29Speaker 11: skyjacking plan, and he came home one day and said, Mama,
- 1:01:35Speaker 11: I found a legal way go to Mexico.
- 1:01:41Speaker 1: On September twenty fifth, Oswald disappeared from New Orleans. He
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: has next seen the following day alone on a bus
- 1:01:57Speaker 1: heading south from Laredo. On the bus were two young
- 1:02:03Speaker 1: Australian women.
- 1:02:05Speaker 12: It was on the.
- 1:02:06Speaker 41: Bus to Mexico City that we encountered Lee Oswald. He
- 1:02:13Speaker 41: heard us speaking English and wanted to talk to us,
- 1:02:17Speaker 41: and so we talked about our travels, and he told
- 1:02:22Speaker 41: us that he'd been to Russia. He went then and
- 1:02:24Speaker 41: got his passport and showed us the Russian stamp on
- 1:02:27Speaker 41: his passport.
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: In Mexico City, Oswald checked into a cheap hotel near
- 1:02:34Speaker 1: the bus station. He had brought the file on his
- 1:02:38Speaker 1: political activity in New Orleans. It detailed the leafletting, his
- 1:02:45Speaker 1: arrest and his appearances on radio and television. He described
- 1:02:49Speaker 1: himself as a Marxist political organizer and street agitator who
- 1:02:54Speaker 1: had infiltrated anti Castro groups. That same day, Oswald went
- 1:03:02Speaker 1: to the Cuban consulate. Here he met Sylvia duran Well.
- 1:03:07Speaker 48: It was near launch Houer, and he came and he
- 1:03:13Speaker 48: asked for an application for going to Cuba. But I
- 1:03:16Speaker 48: remember that he was traveling with all his papers that
- 1:03:22Speaker 48: demonstrate that he was a friend of the Cuban revolution,
- 1:03:29Speaker 48: and he showed me his card belonging to the third
- 1:03:33Speaker 48: place for Cuba.
- 1:03:35Speaker 1: Duran told him he could only enter Cuba on a
- 1:03:38Speaker 1: temporary visa and only if he was in transit to Russia.
- 1:03:42Speaker 1: So Oswald walked the short distance to the Soviet diplomatic compound.
- 1:03:48Speaker 1: After Soviet embassy, he met with three consular officials. In fact,
- 1:03:53Speaker 1: all three were KGB officers working under diplomatic cover. In
- 1:03:57Speaker 1: this their first interview called that Oswald's hands were shaking
- 1:04:02Speaker 1: and his behavior was erratic.
- 1:04:05Speaker 29: Opsamnenian bullet.
- 1:04:07Speaker 15: Of course, we all thought the man had an unstable
- 1:04:12Speaker 15: nervous system. He was extremely agitive of Zvinchenswald.
- 1:04:22Speaker 49: During our talk, Oswald kept feeling in his pockets, taking
- 1:04:26Speaker 49: out all sorts of papers. Then he took out a
- 1:04:30Speaker 49: gun and put it in front of him. I said,
- 1:04:33Speaker 49: opposite him. I took the gun away and put it
- 1:04:36Speaker 49: on Pavilo's desk. Pavolentonovitch asked him, why did you come
- 1:04:45Speaker 49: here with a gun. What do you need a gun for?
- 1:04:49Speaker 49: He said, I'm afraid of the FBI, I'm being persecuted.
- 1:04:54Speaker 49: I need a gun to protect myself for my personal safety.
- 1:04:58Speaker 49: That's what he said.
- 1:05:00Speaker 1: What Oswald was told it would take several months to
- 1:05:06Speaker 1: get a Soviet visa, but without one, he would be
- 1:05:09Speaker 1: unable to go to Cuba. Oswald took the news badly.
- 1:05:17Speaker 48: Well, then I explained, and then he got in that
- 1:05:20Speaker 48: moment he couldn't believe what I was saying.
- 1:05:23Speaker 2: And he said, but that's impossible.
- 1:05:25Speaker 48: I have to go to Cuba right now because I
- 1:05:28Speaker 48: only have a permission of three or four days in
- 1:05:30Speaker 48: Mexico City, so I have to go. I thought that
- 1:05:34Speaker 48: in a moment or he will be crying because his
- 1:05:37Speaker 48: eyes he was very excited, he was very red and
- 1:05:41Speaker 48: his eyes is like with the well with right shining
- 1:05:44Speaker 48: like he was in tearso and he didn't want to understand,
- 1:05:49Speaker 48: and so I called the Consulasqui.
- 1:05:53Speaker 1: The ren says Oswald lost his temper with Consolaska.
- 1:05:56Speaker 48: Then Asco says, listen, get out out, and he went
- 1:06:01Speaker 48: to the door that.
- 1:06:03Speaker 26: He was locked.
- 1:06:04Speaker 48: He opened and he said, get out, and if I
- 1:06:07Speaker 48: see you again, if you come again, I want to.
- 1:06:09Speaker 33: Kid you out.
- 1:06:13Speaker 1: As he left the embassy, Oswald should have been observed
- 1:06:17Speaker 1: by CIA operatives from houses across the street. The CIA
- 1:06:25Speaker 1: was maintaining NonStop photo surveillance on the Russians and Cubans,
- 1:06:31Speaker 1: yet the CIA claimed it failed to take one single
- 1:06:34Speaker 1: photograph of Oswald. After the Kennedy assassination, the CIA first
- 1:06:43Speaker 1: said that this man photographed leaving the Russian embassy was Oswald.
- 1:06:50Speaker 1: This has fueled speculation that Oswald never went to Mexico
- 1:06:56Speaker 1: and that he may have been impersonated by an impostor
- 1:06:59Speaker 1: like the man in the CIA photograph.
- 1:07:05Speaker 9: The suspicion was that Oswald didn't make it at all,
- 1:07:08Speaker 9: that there was an impost attempting to frame him in
- 1:07:12Speaker 9: Mexico City. Had that been established, it would indicate a
- 1:07:18Speaker 9: sophisticated effort to frame Oswell, which would immediately draw attention
- 1:07:22Speaker 9: to American intelligence.
- 1:07:25Speaker 35: It's my recollection. At the time of Oswalt's presence in
- 1:07:29Speaker 35: Mexico City, there was something wrong with some of the
- 1:07:31Speaker 35: cameras that we were using. We were trying to fix it,
- 1:07:34Speaker 35: but the fact remains that there are no photographs of
- 1:07:36Speaker 35: Lee Harvey Oswald taken while he was in Mexico City
- 1:07:39Speaker 35: at that time, and I can't explain one why not.
- 1:07:45Speaker 1: But the declassified report on Oswalt's Mexico City trip written
- 1:07:49Speaker 1: by the House Assassinations Committee tells a different story.
- 1:07:56Speaker 45: And we now find that there were several formercio who
- 1:08:00Speaker 45: said that there had been such a photograph. One of
- 1:08:03Speaker 45: them said that he'd seen it and describe it in
- 1:08:05Speaker 45: detail of profile shot of Oswald at the gate, another
- 1:08:09Speaker 45: one taken from behind as he went in.
- 1:08:15Speaker 1: And the CIA station chief in Mexico City, the late
- 1:08:18Speaker 1: Win Scott, in his memoirs, also said the CIA took
- 1:08:22Speaker 1: pictures of Oswald.
- 1:08:27Speaker 4: Persons watching these embassies photographed Oswald as he entered and left,
- 1:08:31Speaker 4: and clocked the time spent on each visit.
- 1:08:36Speaker 1: That's fine for win.
- 1:08:37Speaker 35: Scott to say, but he has no evidence to demonstrate it,
- 1:08:40Speaker 35: and he couldn't produce the photograph, so what is he
- 1:08:42Speaker 35: talking about.
- 1:08:46Speaker 1: The CIA did confirm it destroyed wiretapped recordings of Oswald
- 1:08:50Speaker 1: in Mexico City, just in an.
- 1:08:53Speaker 35: The normal course of business that after the tapes had
- 1:08:55Speaker 35: been transcribed and the material was put on paper, then
- 1:08:59Speaker 35: the tapes were routinely erased and used again.
- 1:09:03Speaker 1: But again this claim is contradicted. A high ranking CIA
- 1:09:07Speaker 1: officer in the Mexico City embassy told Frontline the Oswald
- 1:09:11Speaker 1: tapes existed months after the assassination when they were played
- 1:09:15Speaker 1: for the Warren commissioned lawyers.
- 1:09:17Speaker 50: My best recollection is they offered us to listen. They
- 1:09:23Speaker 50: said to us, it was win Scott that would you
- 1:09:27Speaker 50: like to listen to the tapes? And so they played
- 1:09:29Speaker 50: a little bit of it for us.
- 1:09:33Speaker 1: The tape was poor quality, but its mere existence was significant.
- 1:09:38Speaker 50: Now even that just one not having been destroyed, would
- 1:09:42Speaker 50: show that mister Helm's statement was incorrect.
- 1:09:47Speaker 45: Where then are the types? And the question that arises
- 1:09:50Speaker 45: here is why is the CI reluctance first to see
- 1:09:55Speaker 45: the photographs and reluctant first to see the tapes, to
- 1:09:59Speaker 45: hear the tapes of Oswald's voice while they refused to
- 1:10:05Speaker 45: come clean. Clearly there's going to be a suspicion that
- 1:10:08Speaker 45: the tapes or the photographs don't show what one would
- 1:10:11Speaker 45: expect them to.
- 1:10:17Speaker 1: But there is much evidence that the real Oswald was
- 1:10:20Speaker 1: in Mexico City at the Soviet embassy. All three KGB
- 1:10:28Speaker 1: officers told Frontline the man they met was the real
- 1:10:31Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald, not the man in the photograph the
- 1:10:36Speaker 1: CIA released knit another waitel.
- 1:10:46Speaker 49: No, this is a completely different person. The Oswald who
- 1:10:50Speaker 49: had visited our embassy and whose photographs I saw in
- 1:10:54Speaker 49: many newspapers and on TV was completely different.
- 1:10:59Speaker 48: The day after the assassination, in the Mexican newspapers were
- 1:11:02Speaker 48: a photo of Osbond and I said to my husband,
- 1:11:08Speaker 48: I'm sure that this is the man who went to
- 1:11:10Speaker 48: ask for abisa. So I went to the embassy and
- 1:11:14Speaker 48: I look up the applications and I saw his application
- 1:11:18Speaker 48: and it was the same one.
- 1:11:21Speaker 9: We obtained from the Cuban officials, the visa application with
- 1:11:26Speaker 9: his photograph on it and his signature. We verified that
- 1:11:30Speaker 9: it was Oswald's signature. Oswald, therefore was in Mexico City.
- 1:11:39Speaker 1: And the records at the Hotel Commercio show the real
- 1:11:42Speaker 1: Osworld was here too. The handwriting on the register is his.
- 1:11:48Speaker 1: Oswald stayed in Mexico City four days, but in the
- 1:11:53Speaker 1: end both the Russians and the Cubans rejected him. All
- 1:11:58Speaker 1: his plans to fight for cash and returned to Russia
- 1:12:01Speaker 1: had come to nothing. He had nowhere to go but
- 1:12:06Speaker 1: back to America. In the early hours of an October morning,
- 1:12:13Speaker 1: Oswald boarded a bus heading north. Next day, he crossed
- 1:12:19Speaker 1: the US border. On October third, nineteen sixty three, seven
- 1:12:34Speaker 1: weeks before President Kennedy's fatal motorcade through Dallas, Lee Harvey
- 1:12:38Speaker 1: Oswald returned to the city with no place to call
- 1:12:42Speaker 1: his own. He checked into the YMCA for a few days.
- 1:12:47Speaker 1: He had no job and no means to support his family.
- 1:12:54Speaker 1: His wife, Marina, and his daughter June were living with
- 1:12:57Speaker 1: their friend Ruth Payne in the Dallas suburb of Irving.
- 1:13:02Speaker 1: Marina was expecting their second child soon.
- 1:13:05Speaker 2: After Lee came back to Texas. It was perhaps a
- 1:13:10Speaker 2: week later. I was having coffee with Marina at a
- 1:13:13Speaker 2: neighbor's house, and we were talking about the fact that
- 1:13:15Speaker 2: Lee hadn't been able to get a job and he
- 1:13:17Speaker 2: was looking for work and needed work. And another neighbor
- 1:13:21Speaker 2: there said that her brother worked at the Texas school
- 1:13:23Speaker 2: Book Depository, and she thought that they were still hiring people.
- 1:13:28Speaker 2: So I called a school book depository to see whether
- 1:13:31Speaker 2: there might be an opening there.
- 1:13:35Speaker 1: There was an opening, and Oswald was hired as a
- 1:13:37Speaker 1: warehouse clerk to fill orders for textbooks. The job paid
- 1:13:42Speaker 1: only a dollar twenty five an hour, but Lee liked
- 1:13:45Speaker 1: the idea he would be working with books.
- 1:13:51Speaker 2: He came out each weekend. He and Marina did argue
- 1:13:56Speaker 2: a good bit, and I was somewhat impatient with him.
- 1:14:01Speaker 2: She was saying, you see, he doesn't love me. All
- 1:14:05Speaker 2: the time I knew her, she was worried about whether
- 1:14:07Speaker 2: he loved her or not.
- 1:14:09Speaker 3: Well, he came out on weekends. I remember stepping over
- 1:14:12Speaker 3: in one time as he was watching a TV, watching
- 1:14:15Speaker 3: the football game. He was chining his hands there and
- 1:14:18Speaker 3: thinking what to find a little revolutionary we have here
- 1:14:22Speaker 3: being snookered into the new opiate of the people.
- 1:14:26Speaker 1: Football, Michael Payne and Lee would talk politics on the weekends.
- 1:14:32Speaker 3: He thought capitalism was rotten, it was a fraud, and
- 1:14:36Speaker 3: it needed to be overthrown. Lee wanted to be an
- 1:14:39Speaker 3: active gorilla in the effort to bring about a new
- 1:14:43Speaker 3: world order. We discovered we were both interested in the
- 1:14:46Speaker 3: activities of right wing groups in Dallas, which were common
- 1:14:50Speaker 3: numerous in that time, and I think he described his
- 1:14:55Speaker 3: activities as spying on them.
- 1:14:58Speaker 1: Oswald told Pain gone to a right wing rally to
- 1:15:01Speaker 1: hear General Edwin Walker, the same man he had tried
- 1:15:05Speaker 1: to assassinate a few months earlier.
- 1:15:09Speaker 3: There's no doubt in my mind that he believed violence
- 1:15:12Speaker 3: was the only effective tool. He didn't want to mess
- 1:15:17Speaker 3: around with trying to change the system.
- 1:15:22Speaker 1: During the week, after work, he'd ride the bus home
- 1:15:25Speaker 1: to a rooming house in the Oak Cliff neighborhood. But
- 1:15:30Speaker 1: Oswald was behaving strangely at the rooming house. He kept
- 1:15:35Speaker 1: making calls from the payphone across the street. Then, on Sunday,
- 1:15:41Speaker 1: five days before the assassination, Ruth Payne tried to call
- 1:15:45Speaker 1: him at the rooming house.
- 1:15:49Speaker 2: And I died the number asked for Lee Oswald and
- 1:15:52Speaker 2: was told no, Le Oswald lives here, and so I
- 1:15:54Speaker 2: checked assist the number, Yes it was, And I really
- 1:15:57Speaker 2: hung up in confusion and told Marina what had happened.
- 1:16:02Speaker 2: Then the next day, when Lee called, as he normally
- 1:16:05Speaker 2: did in the evening after work, Marina said we had
- 1:16:08Speaker 2: tried to reach him and that there was no one
- 1:16:11Speaker 2: of that name there, and he bawled her out for
- 1:16:13Speaker 2: trying to reach him. When she hung up, she was
- 1:16:17Speaker 2: very distressed, said that he was using an assumed name,
- 1:16:21Speaker 2: and he's done this before, and he lives in this
- 1:16:23Speaker 2: fantasy and he has his idea about being a great man,
- 1:16:27Speaker 2: and she was very worried about him, worried about his
- 1:16:30Speaker 2: mental state, as I understood it from her.
- 1:16:34Speaker 1: On Wednesday evening, two days before the assassination, one of
- 1:16:38Speaker 1: the borders at the rooming house, recalls Oswald intently watching
- 1:16:42Speaker 1: the TV news story about President Kennedy's visit to Dallas.
- 1:16:47Speaker 1: That week, Dallas newspapers published more details, including maps of
- 1:16:52Speaker 1: the motorcade route. The White House party would fly into
- 1:16:57Speaker 1: Dallas and drive through the city. The planned route would
- 1:17:03Speaker 1: take the motorcade into Dealey Plaza and right by the
- 1:17:10Speaker 1: Texas School Book Depository. After work on Thursday, Oswald asked
- 1:17:21Speaker 1: a coworker to give him a lift to Irving.
- 1:17:25Speaker 2: Thursday, which was the night before the assassination, I came
- 1:17:29Speaker 2: home from grocery shopping and Lee was outside the art.
- 1:17:34Speaker 2: I was surprised because it was the only time he
- 1:17:36Speaker 2: came without asking.
- 1:17:39Speaker 11: And Marina thought he'd come to make up with her
- 1:17:42Speaker 11: after a fight they'd had. He tried to kiss her,
- 1:17:46Speaker 11: she didn't let him, and he said to her that
- 1:17:50Speaker 11: she was getting spoiled living with Americans, and early that
- 1:17:56Speaker 11: evening he asked her, on three separate occasions to join
- 1:18:01Speaker 11: him in Dallas, and if she would, he would get
- 1:18:05Speaker 11: an apartment.
- 1:18:06Speaker 1: The next day, Marina was still angry, and she said no.
- 1:18:15Speaker 1: Sometime that evening, Oswald entered the garage for he kept
- 1:18:19Speaker 1: his rifle.
- 1:18:21Speaker 2: I went into the garage and the light was on,
- 1:18:23Speaker 2: which surprised me because I knew Marina was pretty careful
- 1:18:26Speaker 2: turning the light out when she went in the garage
- 1:18:28Speaker 2: for anything. I hadn't been the garage, so I assumed
- 1:18:32Speaker 2: that Lee had been in there and forgotten to turn
- 1:18:35Speaker 2: the light out.
- 1:18:38Speaker 1: Lee woke up early the next morning, Marina was still sleeping.
- 1:18:43Speaker 1: He made his own coffee. Then he kissed his children
- 1:18:48Speaker 1: and told Marina goodbye.
- 1:18:52Speaker 11: Later she found what he'd left on the bureau. It
- 1:18:55Speaker 11: so one hundred and seventy dollars, and she thought to
- 1:18:58Speaker 11: herself that much everything he had. And she found something else.
- 1:19:06Speaker 11: It was Lee's wedding ring, and he left it in
- 1:19:10Speaker 11: a little cup that her grandmother.
- 1:19:13Speaker 47: Had given her.
- 1:19:16Speaker 1: When Oswald left the house, he was carrying an oblong
- 1:19:19Speaker 1: package wrapped in brown paper. He told the neighbor who
- 1:19:25Speaker 1: gave him a ride to work, that the package contained
- 1:19:27Speaker 1: curtain rods for his room in Oak Cliff. Later, that day,
- 1:19:32Speaker 1: a long, empty brown bag would be found on the
- 1:19:35Speaker 1: sixth floor of the book depository. President Kennedy was up
- 1:19:48Speaker 1: early that morning as well. In Fort Worth. The crowds
- 1:19:52Speaker 1: were friendly.
- 1:19:56Speaker 10: Said that introduced myself in Paris by saying that I
- 1:19:59Speaker 10: was the man who had accompanied Missus Kennedy to Paris.
- 1:20:02Speaker 10: I'm getting that somewhat that same sensation as I travel
- 1:20:05Speaker 10: around Texas.
- 1:20:11Speaker 1: In Dallas, Oswald's co workers were eagerly awaiting the motorcade.
- 1:20:15Speaker 40: We were looking out towards All Street. So he walked
- 1:20:19Speaker 40: up and asked us, what did everybody looking for? What
- 1:20:21Speaker 40: avery about waiting on? So we told me was waiting
- 1:20:24Speaker 40: on the President to come back. He put his add
- 1:20:26Speaker 40: in the pocket and laughed and walked away. So I
- 1:20:29Speaker 40: don't know where he went on if he would have
- 1:20:30Speaker 40: stayed or downstairs.
- 1:20:31Speaker 1: All the way, Oswald rolled the elevator up to the
- 1:20:35Speaker 1: sixth floor, where he spent the morning filling book orders.
- 1:20:44Speaker 1: In Fort Worth, the President was headed to the airport
- 1:20:47Speaker 1: for the short flight to Dallas. About twelve o'clock, Oswald's
- 1:20:55Speaker 1: co workers went down to lunch. Oswald shouted for them
- 1:20:59Speaker 1: to send the elevator back up. By now President Kennedy
- 1:21:05Speaker 1: and his wife had landed at love Field. The welcome
- 1:21:08Speaker 1: was warm. On the sixth floor of the depository, someone
- 1:21:16Speaker 1: had screened off a corner window with boxes. Oswald's prints
- 1:21:20Speaker 1: would later be found on some of them, including the
- 1:21:22Speaker 1: boxes arranged to support the sniper's rifle. Two witnesses spotted
- 1:21:28Speaker 1: a man with a rifle at the sixth floor window.
- 1:21:33Speaker 1: They assumed he was there to protect the president. Oswald
- 1:21:41Speaker 1: later claimed that at this time he was eating lunch
- 1:21:44Speaker 1: with two fellow workers and had then gone to buy
- 1:21:46Speaker 1: a coke, but his coworkers denied having lunch with Oswald.
- 1:21:58Speaker 1: Some witnesses thought they saw two men on the sixth floor, evidence,
- 1:22:02Speaker 1: if true, that there was a conspiracy to kill the president.
- 1:22:10Speaker 1: This film, shot by amateur cameraman Robert Hughes, shows the
- 1:22:15Speaker 1: presidential motorcade approaching Dealey Plaza. Hughes stops filming for a
- 1:22:20Speaker 1: few seconds and then starts again just as the limousine
- 1:22:24Speaker 1: passes in front of the depository Frontline had this footage
- 1:22:30Speaker 1: scientifically enhanced to see if his second man could be
- 1:22:33Speaker 1: seen on the sixth floor.
- 1:22:35Speaker 51: On the Hughes film, there are a lot of things
- 1:22:37Speaker 51: to see and on the fifth floor. In particular, we
- 1:22:40Speaker 51: see an employee of the book depository raise his right
- 1:22:43Speaker 51: arm right there as he waves to the motorcade passing
- 1:22:46Speaker 51: just under the building. Now we move to the sixth floor,
- 1:22:49Speaker 51: and we observe in the arched window that is adjacent
- 1:22:51Speaker 51: to the sniper's nest form that some people have set
- 1:22:54Speaker 51: as human like in appearance. And when we ran the
- 1:22:57Speaker 51: enhanced film in motion, that human form disappears, and we
- 1:23:01Speaker 51: conclude there is no human form in that window. We
- 1:23:05Speaker 51: do also conclude that there is a movement in the
- 1:23:08Speaker 51: sixth floor corner window indicating the presence of a person.
- 1:23:12Speaker 1: Just seven seconds before the first shot is fired, something
- 1:23:16Speaker 1: moves in the corner window. In the window below Harold
- 1:23:22Speaker 1: Norman raises his arm and waves to the president.
- 1:23:24Speaker 40: We've sitting on the fifth floor, direct on the sixth
- 1:23:27Speaker 40: woman on the Shotscafrombove and that was gone.
- 1:23:30Speaker 1: SARTs were fine.
- 1:23:31Speaker 11: Ooo.
- 1:23:32Speaker 1: Clicklick ooo clicklick oooh click click, that was pretty short.
- 1:23:37Speaker 1: Fare above us moves on the a fifth floor. Frame
- 1:23:43Speaker 1: by frame, the tragedy unfolds in the twenty one seconds
- 1:23:46Speaker 1: of eight millimeter film shot by Abraham's appruder as the
- 1:23:52Speaker 1: motorcade runs the corner. It slows. In the background, a
- 1:23:56Speaker 1: little girl runs beside the limousine. Suddenly there's a gunshot.
- 1:24:03Speaker 1: Governor Connolly hears it and turns. The little girl stops
- 1:24:06Speaker 1: dead and looks around. Three seconds later, a second shot.
- 1:24:13Speaker 1: A bullet has passed through the President's throat. It hits
- 1:24:16Speaker 1: Connolly in the back and he starts falling. Missus Kennedy
- 1:24:19Speaker 1: turns to her husband something's wrong. She looks into his
- 1:24:23Speaker 1: face the fatal head shot. The exact number and timing
- 1:24:33Speaker 1: of the shots have been argued over endlessly, but there
- 1:24:36Speaker 1: is a growing consensus that the Zupruder film shows three
- 1:24:39Speaker 1: shots were fired in about eight seconds. Some believe a
- 1:24:45Speaker 1: second gunman fired a fourth shot from the grassy knoll.
- 1:24:50Speaker 1: Immediately after the shooting, many people followed a policeman up
- 1:24:53Speaker 1: the embankment, but when police searched the area, they found
- 1:24:57Speaker 1: no gunman, no gun, no cartridges, and now at Parkman.
- 1:25:05Speaker 1: In the chaos and confusion of that day, many mistakes
- 1:25:08Speaker 1: were made in the autopsy on Kennedy's body, but the
- 1:25:12Speaker 1: medical photographs and X rays have confirmed that if there
- 1:25:15Speaker 1: was a shot from the grassy Knoll, it missed.
- 1:25:19Speaker 21: There were only two shots that struck President Kennedy. Both
- 1:25:22Speaker 21: came from the rear. Four government investigations all came to
- 1:25:25Speaker 21: the same conclusion. The Warrant Commission in the sixties in
- 1:25:28Speaker 21: nineteen sixty eight, the Clark Panel set by Attorney General
- 1:25:32Speaker 21: Ramsey Clark in the seventies, the Rockefeller Commission and Finding
- 1:25:35Speaker 21: in the late seventies, the House Select Committee, with the
- 1:25:37Speaker 21: largest forensics panel re examining the evidence.
- 1:25:41Speaker 1: Computer modeling is a technique that was not available to
- 1:25:44Speaker 1: earlier investigators. These three dimensional graphics of Daley Plaza were
- 1:25:49Speaker 1: produced by a specialist company called Failure Analysis Associates on
- 1:25:54Speaker 1: behalf of the American Bar Association. By feeding data into
- 1:25:59Speaker 1: the it is possible to model the trajectory of the
- 1:26:03Speaker 1: so called magic bullet. The second shot fired from the
- 1:26:07Speaker 1: sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository. Critics say
- 1:26:12Speaker 1: that unless it pursued a bizarre zigzag trajectory, it was
- 1:26:16Speaker 1: impossible for one bullet to pass through both men.
- 1:26:20Speaker 21: Four government commissions all concluded it was a straight line
- 1:26:23Speaker 21: right through the two men. There's no question that a
- 1:26:27Speaker 21: single bullet could inflict all seven wounds on both the
- 1:26:30Speaker 21: President and the governor and emerge in very good condition
- 1:26:33Speaker 21: as it slowed as it moved through the two men.
- 1:26:35Speaker 21: It moved fast enough to break bone, but not fast
- 1:26:38Speaker 21: enough to to form the bullet. The computer technicians used
- 1:26:43Speaker 21: reverse projection to go from the wounds on Kennedy and
- 1:26:46Speaker 21: Conly and determine where the assassin had to be located
- 1:26:50Speaker 21: to inflict those wounds, and a cone is splayed out
- 1:26:53Speaker 21: from the wound and shows that the only area almost
- 1:26:56Speaker 21: centers on the southeast corner sixth floor Texas School Book positor.
- 1:27:02Speaker 1: And if the three shots were fired in eight seconds,
- 1:27:06Speaker 1: this is the computer model of the sniper's view after
- 1:27:22Speaker 1: the third shot. Someone saw the sniper slowly withdraw his rifle,
- 1:27:27Speaker 1: leaving three cartridges on the floor. He made his way
- 1:27:30Speaker 1: to the stairs. The rifle, with one shell still in
- 1:27:35Speaker 1: the breach, was later found behind some boxes. Oswald was
- 1:27:43Speaker 1: first seen ninety seconds later, standing by the door of
- 1:27:46Speaker 1: the lunchroom, looking calm. A policeman stopped him momentarily but
- 1:27:52Speaker 1: let him go. Within three minutes of the shooting, Oswald
- 1:27:58Speaker 1: walked out the front door. He boarded a bus, but
- 1:28:06Speaker 1: jumped out and hailed a taxi. When the bus got
- 1:28:08Speaker 1: stuck in traffic, he asked the taxi to drop him
- 1:28:15Speaker 1: a couple of blocks away from his rooming house in
- 1:28:17Speaker 1: Oak Cliff. This is the room for which Oswald said
- 1:28:22Speaker 1: he needed curtain rods. Oswald put a thirty eight revolver
- 1:28:28Speaker 1: in his waistband, took a light zipper jacket from his closet,
- 1:28:33Speaker 1: and left. By now, the Texas School Book Depository had
- 1:28:42Speaker 1: been sealed off and police had issued a description of
- 1:28:45Speaker 1: the suspect in the assassination.
- 1:28:48Speaker 52: A white male, brown hair, approximately five six to five
- 1:28:54Speaker 52: eight wear one hundred and sixty pounds had been seen
- 1:28:57Speaker 52: in the window of the depository and was believed to
- 1:29:00Speaker 52: be the shooter.
- 1:29:02Speaker 1: Gerald Hill helped search the book depository.
- 1:29:06Speaker 53: It was dirty, it was dusty. It had an old
- 1:29:10Speaker 53: wooden floor. It was an ancient building. It had boxes
- 1:29:14Speaker 53: of books stacked here and there. There was a shield
- 1:29:19Speaker 53: of boxes that were stacked in such a way that
- 1:29:22Speaker 53: anybody coming off of the elevator or coming out of
- 1:29:25Speaker 53: the stairwell would not see anyone who was down in
- 1:29:30Speaker 53: a firing position between the barricade and the window.
- 1:29:33Speaker 1: They were still searching when the call came that there
- 1:29:35Speaker 1: had been another shooting.
- 1:29:38Speaker 52: All we knew at that time was it was an
- 1:29:39Speaker 52: officer had been shot and they gave us a car number,
- 1:29:43Speaker 52: and we knew it was tipp It based on the
- 1:29:45Speaker 52: car number.
- 1:29:46Speaker 1: Officer JD. Tippett had been patrolling an oak Cliff when
- 1:29:49Speaker 1: he was gunned down, killed instantly next to his car.
- 1:29:56Speaker 1: Of the seven eye witnesses to the shooting, the one
- 1:29:58Speaker 1: with probably the clearest view who was Jack Tatum.
- 1:30:02Speaker 20: I was preparing to turn left on Tenth Street from Denver.
- 1:30:07Speaker 20: I noticed an individual walking in my direction with a
- 1:30:11Speaker 20: light zipper jacket on, darker pants and a squad car
- 1:30:16Speaker 20: pulling over to the curb next to him as we
- 1:30:22Speaker 20: As I approached the squad car, I noticed that that
- 1:30:25Speaker 20: individual was leaning over talking to the officer and he
- 1:30:28Speaker 20: had both hands in the pockets of his jacket. I
- 1:30:34Speaker 20: continued through the intersection, and about in the middle of
- 1:30:39Speaker 20: intersection I heard three, maybe four shots.
- 1:30:42Speaker 1: Researcher Dale Myers investigated the Tippet shooting.
- 1:30:45Speaker 54: Killer gets to about this position on the sidewalk and
- 1:30:48Speaker 54: Tippet's patrol car pulls to the curb and either calls
- 1:30:51Speaker 54: him over to the curb or the man comes over
- 1:30:52Speaker 54: by himself and leans to the window and talks to
- 1:30:55Speaker 54: Tippets through the vent window for ten or twenty seconds,
- 1:30:57Speaker 54: very short, and tipickets out of the patrol car. And
- 1:30:59Speaker 54: as he does, the man steps over to the front
- 1:31:01Speaker 54: of the hood here and his tip gets opposite him.
- 1:31:03Speaker 54: He pulls a gun from under the jacket, fires three
- 1:31:05Speaker 54: shots across the hood, knocking Tippets of the pavement, and
- 1:31:08Speaker 54: the man starts to leave, hesitates at the back of
- 1:31:10Speaker 54: the car, walks around behind the car, comes up to
- 1:31:13Speaker 54: the front of the car, stands over Tippet and shoots
- 1:31:15Speaker 54: him in the head.
- 1:31:17Speaker 20: He then looked around, surveyed the situation, and started a
- 1:31:22Speaker 20: slow run toward my direction. I put my car in
- 1:31:25Speaker 20: gear and drove forward, and watching him through the rearview mirror,
- 1:31:31Speaker 20: I saw him very clearly, and I realized that there
- 1:31:36Speaker 20: is one thing that made him stand out, and that
- 1:31:38Speaker 20: was his mouth that curled up.
- 1:31:40Speaker 1: I couldn't mistake that.
- 1:31:43Speaker 14: Kind of a smile, yes, kind of a smile.
- 1:31:45Speaker 20: And I was within ten fifteen feet of that individual,
- 1:31:50Speaker 20: and it was Lee Harvey Oswald.
- 1:31:54Speaker 54: Shortly after the shooting, several employees of a used car
- 1:31:56Speaker 54: lot saw the killer come down this street. Ultimately it
- 1:32:01Speaker 54: came and he ducked behind this building, which used to
- 1:32:03Speaker 54: be a Texico service station in nineteen sixty three. This
- 1:32:06Speaker 54: was a parking lot, and they found a jacket under
- 1:32:08Speaker 54: this car. It was a light gray Eisenhower type jacket,
- 1:32:11Speaker 54: much like the one that Oswald was seen zipping up
- 1:32:13Speaker 54: as he left his rooming house. He's next scene without
- 1:32:17Speaker 54: the jacket, kind of slinking down Jefferson, ducking in and
- 1:32:20Speaker 54: out of stores as police cars.
- 1:32:21Speaker 15: Are rowing up and down with their sirens playing.
- 1:32:29Speaker 1: As the police cars sped by the Texas Movie Theater,
- 1:32:32Speaker 1: the cashiers stepped out of her ticket booth to see
- 1:32:34Speaker 1: what was happening. As she did, a man slipped past
- 1:32:38Speaker 1: her without buying a ticket, but someone saw him and
- 1:32:42Speaker 1: called the police.
- 1:32:43Speaker 52: And so we converged the net location hit the balcony first,
- 1:32:47Speaker 52: I did, because there was only one line owen in
- 1:32:50Speaker 52: the theater. We opened the side door to get some
- 1:32:52Speaker 52: more light.
- 1:32:55Speaker 1: As policemen moved through the theater, Oswald tried to draw
- 1:32:58Speaker 1: his revolver.
- 1:33:00Speaker 52: It took seven of us to put him on the
- 1:33:01Speaker 52: floor and restrain him until we could put cufs on him.
- 1:33:05Speaker 52: Once we had the cuffs on him, he started hollering.
- 1:33:08Speaker 52: Police brutality. Is this America?
- 1:33:13Speaker 53: This kind of thing?
- 1:33:15Speaker 1: Outside the movie house? An angry crowd jeered as Oswald
- 1:33:19Speaker 1: was bundled into a police card.
- 1:33:21Speaker 52: Immediately as we pulled away from the curb, we'd got
- 1:33:24Speaker 52: on the radio and said we were going out to
- 1:33:25Speaker 52: jailed our suspect. And the next thing was asked was
- 1:33:28Speaker 52: what's your name?
- 1:33:29Speaker 1: And he wouldn't tell us.
- 1:33:30Speaker 52: And ask him did he know why we had arrested him?
- 1:33:33Speaker 52: And he said, I haven't done anything I should be
- 1:33:35Speaker 52: ashamed of. He still refused tell us who he was
- 1:33:39Speaker 52: and why don't he find out? So Officer bntly reached
- 1:33:41Speaker 52: in his hip pocket and pulled out his bill phone,
- 1:33:44Speaker 52: and here we had the dual identification. We had the
- 1:33:47Speaker 52: Oswald and the Hadel identification.
- 1:33:51Speaker 1: By now police knew that Oswald was the only employee
- 1:33:54Speaker 1: missing from the school book depository. His main interrogator would
- 1:33:58Speaker 1: be the renowned homicide detective Captain Will Fritz.
- 1:34:03Speaker 8: Let's given quiet, we'll get it down.
- 1:34:05Speaker 54: Has has has the gentleman been identified?
- 1:34:07Speaker 51: Yes, he's been identified for killing the officer?
- 1:34:10Speaker 53: Right, Has any identifications been attempted for the killing of
- 1:34:12Speaker 53: the president.
- 1:34:13Speaker 35: Yet not yet.
- 1:34:14Speaker 55: I was in the hallway, uh with all the other
- 1:34:17Speaker 55: reporters when uh Fritz came out and asked me if
- 1:34:20Speaker 55: i'd come in, and uh sort of be the uh
- 1:34:23Speaker 55: token reporter inside for a few minutes, and I went
- 1:34:27Speaker 55: in to see uh Oswald and uh. I asked him
- 1:34:30Speaker 55: about his eye and he said, uh, that was when
- 1:34:33Speaker 55: he was uh uh punched out and knocked down, you know,
- 1:34:37Speaker 55: wrestled down. The next question, why did you kill Officer Tippett?
- 1:34:41Speaker 55: And he threw the question right back at me, he said,
- 1:34:44Speaker 55: uh uh, someone get killed. Policemen get killed. At that time,
- 1:34:48Speaker 55: I he had this little smirk on him, and I
- 1:34:50Speaker 55: wanted to hit him, but I didn't. Then all of
- 1:34:52Speaker 55: a sudden it dawned on me. He wasn't sweating, not
- 1:34:55Speaker 55: a drop a sweat on him. He was coler than
- 1:34:58Speaker 55: all the people around him, Secret Service, police, FBI, district
- 1:35:03Speaker 55: attorney there as everybody was in that office.
- 1:35:06Speaker 8: Well, he didn't admit anything and didn't confess to anything.
- 1:35:12Speaker 8: He was typing individual that you'd had to prove to
- 1:35:14Speaker 8: him that we could make a case on him. And
- 1:35:16Speaker 8: this is not unusual, This is very common among people
- 1:35:19Speaker 8: that commits crime.
- 1:35:24Speaker 6: I don't think he would have broken and confessed, I
- 1:35:28Speaker 6: think he was playing a game. He had the impression
- 1:35:32Speaker 6: that he was smarter than everybody else and was going
- 1:35:34Speaker 6: to sit back there and played us for all it
- 1:35:38Speaker 6: was worth.
- 1:35:40Speaker 1: The case against Oswald was building. Police had recovered the
- 1:35:43Speaker 1: rifle and the FBI had traced its purchase to an Ahdel.
- 1:35:49Speaker 35: The return address on this order letter.
- 1:35:54Speaker 18: Wat see the post office box in Dallas, Texas lot
- 1:35:58Speaker 18: of our suspect Oswald.
- 1:36:02Speaker 51: But it has definitely been established by.
- 1:36:04Speaker 56: The FBI that the handwriting is the handwriting of Oswald.
- 1:36:08Speaker 8: He was asked if he had ever used the name
- 1:36:12Speaker 8: of a Hidel He said no, And he asked you
- 1:36:17Speaker 8: if he was not, if he knew anybody named a Hidale,
- 1:36:19Speaker 8: and he said no. And then he was asked in
- 1:36:23Speaker 8: the truth when he was wrested, you had a picture
- 1:36:25Speaker 8: id on there with a high dale line. He said,
- 1:36:28Speaker 8: I believe that's correct. And he asked, how do you
- 1:36:30Speaker 8: explain that? And he said, I don't. He just cut
- 1:36:32Speaker 8: it off like that.
- 1:36:37Speaker 1: He comes Goswald down the hall again.
- 1:36:39Speaker 55: You find that right?
- 1:36:40Speaker 42: That's as fat said, you people have been given but
- 1:36:42Speaker 42: I emphatically deny these charges.
- 1:36:45Speaker 25: What Oswald's interrogation shows is a very consistent pattern to
- 1:36:50Speaker 25: hide a single fact through lies. That single fact was
- 1:36:54Speaker 25: his ownership of the rifle. When he lied about the
- 1:36:57Speaker 25: backyard photograph, it was to hide the fact he had
- 1:37:00Speaker 25: a rifle. When he lied that he had ever used
- 1:37:03Speaker 25: the alias Hidel, it was to hide the fact that
- 1:37:07Speaker 25: he had ordered the rifle. You could go through the
- 1:37:10Speaker 25: interrogation point by point and see that Oswall will be
- 1:37:12Speaker 25: truthful up until it comes to the rifle. Pointed a rifle,
- 1:37:16Speaker 25: he hides his ownership of it. Now we're talking about
- 1:37:19Speaker 25: the assassination weapon, and lying consistently to hide that shows,
- 1:37:25Speaker 25: in my opinion, a consciousness of guilt on Oswalt's part.
- 1:37:29Speaker 17: I don't know what this is all about.
- 1:37:31Speaker 16: It.
- 1:37:31Speaker 15: I'll go for a lack eye so I.
- 1:37:36Speaker 17: I work in that building.
- 1:37:39Speaker 28: Naturally, if I work in that building, yes, come man,
- 1:37:44Speaker 28: know that taking me in because of the fact that
- 1:37:46Speaker 28: I live, I'm.
- 1:37:48Speaker 10: Just a plat of the president.
- 1:37:58Speaker 1: Around midnight on November twenty second, Oswald was paraded in
- 1:38:02Speaker 1: front of the press. He had just been charged with
- 1:38:05Speaker 1: the murder of Officer Tippett, and he was about to
- 1:38:08Speaker 1: be charged with the assassination of President Kennedy.
- 1:38:13Speaker 5: No I've not been charged with that.
- 1:38:14Speaker 17: In fact, nobody has said that yet.
- 1:38:17Speaker 28: The first thing I heard, Barbara, when the newspaper reported
- 1:38:20Speaker 28: in the hall, I asked me.
- 1:38:23Speaker 8: That question, you have, sir.
- 1:38:27Speaker 1: At the back of the room that night was one
- 1:38:29Speaker 1: man who was not a policeman or a reporter, a
- 1:38:33Speaker 1: man who carried a gun and had underworld connections. His
- 1:38:39Speaker 1: name was Jacob Rubinstein, known as Jack Ruby. In less
- 1:38:44Speaker 1: than thirty six hours, he would murder Lee Harvey Oswald.
- 1:38:48Speaker 9: If the mob had a hand in the President's death,
- 1:38:51Speaker 9: and I think they did, and they induced Oswald to
- 1:38:55Speaker 9: kill the president, it was terribly important that he be
- 1:38:58Speaker 9: silenced because eventually Oswald, if alive, would testify as to
- 1:39:05Speaker 9: who his associates were, or they ran the risk that
- 1:39:09Speaker 9: he would. And therefore there's every indication that Ruby stalked
- 1:39:14Speaker 9: and killed Oswald in an effort to silence him.
- 1:39:18Speaker 1: Jack Ruby was a police informer who owned the Striptees Club.
- 1:39:23Speaker 1: He made sure that policemen who came to his club
- 1:39:26Speaker 1: was shown a good time.
- 1:39:32Speaker 57: What kind of a guy with Jack Ruby?
- 1:39:36Speaker 25: Impulsive?
- 1:39:38Speaker 57: Yeah, a quick temper, That's why they called him sparky,
- 1:39:42Speaker 57: loved to fight and if anybody was really out of line.
- 1:39:45Speaker 57: He'd throw him out.
- 1:39:51Speaker 36: If Jack Ruby dow that you were a law enforced altar.
- 1:39:55Speaker 36: They always had plenty of liquor, dancing, girls, food or
- 1:40:00Speaker 36: anything else because he always thought that we may be
- 1:40:04Speaker 36: able to help him.
- 1:40:06Speaker 56: Yeah, he did give some free drinks around and cool
- 1:40:08Speaker 56: when the police went down there. You know, he discounted
- 1:40:10Speaker 56: the drinks to them. And he was a fighter, There's
- 1:40:13Speaker 56: no question about that. And we'd get a disturbance call
- 1:40:15Speaker 56: down there, we'd just wait the bottom the stairs because
- 1:40:17Speaker 56: just a few minutes, said yuy or whoever created the turbance,
- 1:40:20Speaker 56: it was going to come falling down the stairs.
- 1:40:26Speaker 1: Ruby was also acquainted with leading figures in the Dallas underworld,
- 1:40:31Speaker 1: including Sam and Joe Campesi.
- 1:40:34Speaker 56: Yes, Jack knew the Campeches, and I've seen him together
- 1:40:37Speaker 56: on numerous occasions. Jack ate out there at the Egyptian
- 1:40:42Speaker 56: Lounge and he'd come in at Jake's hands, sit down.
- 1:40:45Speaker 56: Sometimes Joe Campie'd sit with him, and if I came
- 1:40:47Speaker 56: in or you know, I'd set with Jack and Joe
- 1:40:50Speaker 56: camps I knew we all knew each other well.
- 1:40:55Speaker 1: The Campezes were lieutenants of Carlos Marcello mafia boss who
- 1:41:00Speaker 1: had reportedly talked of killing the president.
- 1:41:03Speaker 36: The Campasers did know Carlo Marcello because one day I
- 1:41:07Speaker 36: was in Joe Campas's office and he called Carla on
- 1:41:12Speaker 36: the phone, and I talked to Carla on the phone.
- 1:41:17Speaker 1: If Ruby was a hit man working for the mafia,
- 1:41:20Speaker 1: he had already missed one perfect opportunity to silence Oswald.
- 1:41:25Speaker 55: And I asked him if he was packing a pistol
- 1:41:28Speaker 55: at that midnight press conference, and he said yes, And
- 1:41:32Speaker 55: I said, then why didn't you plug him in? And
- 1:41:35Speaker 55: he says, I was afraid of hitting one of you guys.
- 1:41:38Speaker 1: Ruby spent much of Saturday hanging around Dallas police headquarters.
- 1:41:43Speaker 1: That day, Oswald was taken from his cell several times
- 1:41:46Speaker 1: to be interrogated and made to stand in police lineups.
- 1:41:52Speaker 1: Ruby had no opportunity to shoot Oswald, but he was
- 1:41:55Speaker 1: asking lots of questions about when the police would transfer
- 1:41:58Speaker 1: him to the county jail.
- 1:42:03Speaker 28: That's be kicked out right.
- 1:42:11Speaker 1: If Ruby was stalking Oswald, Sunday morning would be his
- 1:42:14Speaker 1: last chance. The police had announced Oswald would be transferred
- 1:42:18Speaker 1: to the county jail at ten am, but at ten
- 1:42:23Speaker 1: Jack Ruby was still at home.
- 1:42:25Speaker 21: Jack Ruby takes over an hour and a half to
- 1:42:27Speaker 21: leave his apartment. He very leisurely goes to the Western
- 1:42:30Speaker 21: Union office. He doesn't appear to be rushed, says the
- 1:42:33Speaker 21: clerk behind the counter, and he sends his twenty five
- 1:42:36Speaker 21: dollars money gram. He takes his change, and it's timestamped
- 1:42:39Speaker 21: at eleven seventeen. Oswald is shot by Ruby four minutes later,
- 1:42:43Speaker 21: at eleven twenty one.
- 1:42:45Speaker 8: I did a recheck on that myself from the dystamp
- 1:42:48Speaker 8: time of eleven seventeen on that telegram, and then it
- 1:42:52Speaker 8: took roughly eighty three seconds because I walked at three
- 1:42:55Speaker 8: different speech slow, fast, and medium in average with eighty
- 1:42:59Speaker 8: three seconds from the front door of the Western Union
- 1:43:02Speaker 8: to the basement.
- 1:43:05Speaker 1: It is still unclear whether Ruby slipped into the basement
- 1:43:08Speaker 1: through an unlocked door or just walked down the ramp upstairs.
- 1:43:14Speaker 1: Jim Levell was about to bring Oswald down in the
- 1:43:16Speaker 1: elevator more than an hour late.
- 1:43:21Speaker 8: But I had no idea when I was coming down
- 1:43:23Speaker 8: the elevator, and he certainly could not have. And you
- 1:43:27Speaker 8: even know why you could time that where he would
- 1:43:28Speaker 8: be in the basement right at the exact moment that
- 1:43:31Speaker 8: I came out of there, and he couldn't have been
- 1:43:33Speaker 8: there more than a minute to forty five seconds to
- 1:43:36Speaker 8: a minute before I arrived.
- 1:43:38Speaker 1: With Oz Wollen, wearing a light colored suit on the
- 1:43:41Speaker 1: stetson Leveelle was Oswald's escort.
- 1:43:44Speaker 8: I put the handcuffs on him, and in the process
- 1:43:48Speaker 8: of doing that, I or and Jess kind of said, Lee,
- 1:43:52Speaker 8: if anybody shoots as you, I hope they're as good
- 1:43:53Speaker 8: a shot as you are, meaning of course that they'd
- 1:43:56Speaker 8: hit him and not me. And he kind of laughed
- 1:43:58Speaker 8: and he said, oh, you've been mellow dramatic or some
- 1:44:00Speaker 8: of that effect. Nobody gonna shoot at me. And so
- 1:44:03Speaker 8: we walked out and I momentarily glided into those lights.
- 1:44:06Speaker 8: I couldn't see anything. I were just groaned when he
- 1:44:16Speaker 8: was shocked, it went down, and that's the only sound
- 1:44:20Speaker 8: he made.
- 1:44:22Speaker 1: As Ruby lunged forward and fired his gun, he yelled,
- 1:44:26Speaker 1: you killed my president, you rat, And later as the
- 1:44:30Speaker 1: police escort tackled him and led him away, I'm happy
- 1:44:34Speaker 1: that I got him. Was the shooting in the basement
- 1:44:39Speaker 1: garage a carefully planned mafia hit, or did Sparky Ruby
- 1:44:44Speaker 1: shoot Oswald in a flash of violent rage?
- 1:44:48Speaker 8: I transferred Jack Ruby to the county jail, and when
- 1:44:51Speaker 8: I asked him why he'd done a shooting, he said
- 1:44:53Speaker 8: he thought about it from the Friday night on, but
- 1:44:57Speaker 8: a lot of people thought about it.
- 1:44:58Speaker 51: Now.
- 1:44:59Speaker 8: I've had people tell me off I could have got
- 1:45:00Speaker 8: to him on Friday afternoon. My anger was such that
- 1:45:03Speaker 8: I would have killed him without looking back.
- 1:45:06Speaker 57: I visited Jack in prison. The first thing he said
- 1:45:09Speaker 57: he was he was smiling at the time, and he
- 1:45:12Speaker 57: looked at me and he said, I got balls atav
- 1:45:16Speaker 57: And I said, yeah, Jack, And they go hanging by
- 1:45:18Speaker 57: him too.
- 1:45:20Speaker 1: Ruby would die in prison from natural causes. Oswald never
- 1:45:38Speaker 1: regained consciousness after he was shot.
- 1:45:43Speaker 44: Captain, where will he be taken?
- 1:45:45Speaker 26: I'm assuming Parkland Hospital.
- 1:45:47Speaker 44: Parkland Hospital, the Irony of Irony is the place where
- 1:45:50Speaker 44: President Johnath Kennedy died. The armored car now has been
- 1:45:53Speaker 44: cleared out of the entrance way. The ambulance is leaving
- 1:45:58Speaker 44: Dallas Police Headquarters.
- 1:45:59Speaker 8: I was riding in the back with him and holding
- 1:46:01Speaker 8: his hand or I'm trying to reach a pulse. The
- 1:46:03Speaker 8: doctor was massaging his chest, trying to get him to breathe,
- 1:46:09Speaker 8: and he groaned and stretched a little bit, and then
- 1:46:12Speaker 8: this went completely limp and actually that's when I think
- 1:46:14Speaker 8: each fired was in the cooline. Ever saw him make
- 1:46:17Speaker 8: another move.
- 1:46:18Speaker 1: All Oswald was pronounced dead at Parkland Hospital. His death
- 1:46:27Speaker 1: meant the evidence against him would never be tested in court,
- 1:46:32Speaker 1: but over the years the strength of that case has
- 1:46:35Speaker 1: continued to grow. Significant evidence may have been overlooked by
- 1:46:40Speaker 1: all the official investigations. Soon after the shots were fired,
- 1:46:46Speaker 1: Dallas police dusted the murder weapon and found partial fingerprints
- 1:46:50Speaker 1: near the trigger guard and a clear palm print on
- 1:46:53Speaker 1: the barrel. Amid decades of accusations that the police had
- 1:47:00Speaker 1: planted the palm print on the rifle, the latent fingerprints
- 1:47:04Speaker 1: on the trigger guard were largely ignored, but thirty years later,
- 1:47:09Speaker 1: a complete set of the long forgotten photographs of the
- 1:47:12Speaker 1: rifle and of the latent fingerprints came to light. A
- 1:47:17Speaker 1: former high ranking FBI fingerprint expert who examined the prints
- 1:47:20Speaker 1: for Frontline said they were simply not clear enough to
- 1:47:24Speaker 1: make any identification. But Vincent Scalise, the House Assassination's Committee expert,
- 1:47:31Speaker 1: came to a very different conclusion.
- 1:47:33Speaker 14: There were a total of four photographs in all. I
- 1:47:35Speaker 14: began to examine them. I saw two faint prints, and
- 1:47:41Speaker 14: as I examined them, I realized that these prints had
- 1:47:43Speaker 14: been taken at different exposures and it was necessary for
- 1:47:47Speaker 14: me to utilize all of the photographs to compare against
- 1:47:50Speaker 14: the ink prints. As I examined them, I found that
- 1:47:54Speaker 14: by maneuvering the photographs in different positions, I was able
- 1:47:58Speaker 14: to pick up some details on one photo and some
- 1:48:01Speaker 14: details on another photograph. Using all of the photographs a
- 1:48:04Speaker 14: different contrasts, I was able to find in the neighborhood
- 1:48:09Speaker 14: of about eighteen points of identity between the two prints. Well,
- 1:48:13Speaker 14: I feel that this is a major breakthrough in this
- 1:48:17Speaker 14: investigation because we're able for the first time to actually
- 1:48:21Speaker 14: say that these are definitely the fingerprints of Lee Harvey Oswald,
- 1:48:25Speaker 14: and that they are on the rifle. There is no
- 1:48:27Speaker 14: doubt about it.
- 1:48:31Speaker 9: The prosecution case against Oswald is open and shot. If
- 1:48:34Speaker 9: he shot his brother in law on the backseat of
- 1:48:37Speaker 9: a convertible and not the President of United States, he
- 1:48:40Speaker 9: would have been tried, convicted, and forgotten in three days.
- 1:48:44Speaker 9: But for the fact that it's the president, this is
- 1:48:47Speaker 9: an easy case.
- 1:48:56Speaker 1: Three days after the assassination, Washington and the world mourned
- 1:49:01Speaker 1: President John Fitzgerald Kennedy. In Dallas, the police honored Officer J. D. Tippett,
- 1:49:13Speaker 1: and on that same day in Fort Worth, the remains
- 1:49:16Speaker 1: of Lee Harvey Oswald were laid to rest, but the
- 1:49:20Speaker 1: questions about his role in the assassination have lived on
- 1:49:24Speaker 1: for years.
- 1:49:26Speaker 9: The question is not that Lee Harvey Oswell receieved the president.
- 1:49:31Speaker 9: The question is did he have help within thirty hours
- 1:49:34Speaker 9: of the assassination.
- 1:49:36Speaker 1: That was the question. John Kennedy had many enemies. The
- 1:49:42Speaker 1: mafia had called for his death. Many Cuban exiles celebrated it.
- 1:49:49Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald's life may have intersected with those forces,
- 1:49:53Speaker 1: but there is no hard evidence that in the last
- 1:49:55Speaker 1: days in Dallas, they were influencing Oswald to act. In
- 1:50:06Speaker 1: the end, there is only Oswald, a man who chose
- 1:50:11Speaker 1: his own politics, a man who invented his own secret life,
- 1:50:16Speaker 1: a man whose real life never measured up to the
- 1:50:19Speaker 1: scale of his dreams until the day the President of
- 1:50:23Speaker 1: the United States passed right in front of him.
- 1:50:30Speaker 24: This is a struggle that has gone on with me.
- 1:50:33Speaker 1: This is mine over heart.
- 1:50:35Speaker 24: The mind tells me one thing, the heart tells me
- 1:50:38Speaker 24: something else.
- 1:50:39Speaker 1: True.
- 1:50:39Speaker 24: No one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president,
- 1:50:43Speaker 24: but his rifles there, his presence in the buildings were there.
- 1:50:52Speaker 1: What he did after he left the building is known.
- 1:50:56Speaker 24: Bus ride, taxi, ride, boarding house, pick up the pistol,
- 1:51:02Speaker 24: shoot the police officer. Eyewitnesses there five or six. You
- 1:51:06Speaker 24: can't set that aside just because he is saying I'm
- 1:51:10Speaker 24: a patsy. I'd love to do that, but you cannot
- 1:51:13Speaker 24: in my mind set that aside. It's good that people
- 1:51:17Speaker 24: raise questions and said, wait a minute, let's take a
- 1:51:19Speaker 24: second look at this.
- 1:51:20Speaker 1: I think that's great, you know, but when you take
- 1:51:23Speaker 1: the second.
- 1:51:23Speaker 24: Look in the third and the fortieth and the fiftieth eight,
- 1:51:26Speaker 24: enough so enough it's there.
- 1:51:28Speaker 1: Put it to rest.
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