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Mega Edition: The Tik Tok Tarot Card Reader And Her Wild Claims About The Murders In Moscow (8/13/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program. Recently, we were talking a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about the professor from the University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: who sued the content creator who was making all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of wild ass, baseless claims about her. And now we're
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  Speaker 1: getting a little bit more about that lawsuit. We touched
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  Speaker 1: on it a little bit in a previous episode, but
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  Speaker 1: we didn't have all of the details. We only had
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  Speaker 1: a paragraph or so about the initial suit. So I
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  Speaker 1: figured we'd offer a little more context here to see
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  Speaker 1: where everything stands. And to do that, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: use an article from Law and Crime headline TikTok sleuth
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  Speaker 1: slammed with lawsuit from Idaho professor over student murders conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I like to see it.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to create content and you're gonna, you know,
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  Speaker 1: put stuff out for people to consume, you have to
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  Speaker 1: be responsible with what you're talking about. You can't come
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  Speaker 1: out here fire in from both hips talking about this
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  Speaker 1: one's a murderer, that one's a murderer, this one did this,
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  Speaker 1: this one did that. Big accusations they require big proof,
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  Speaker 1: And even if you think something behind the scenes, as
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  Speaker 1: a content creator, you gotta be real careful with what
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about and who you're talking about, and if
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  Speaker 1: you're not telling the truth, you're gonna pay for that eventually.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what it looks like is gonna happen here.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, I expect this professor to win this lawsuit.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Marissa Sarnoff. A professor in
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  Speaker 1: Idaho is fighting back against what she says are a
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  Speaker 1: Texas TikTok personalities baseless accusations linking her to the horrific
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  Speaker 1: slayings of four University of Idaho students as they slept.
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  Speaker 1: The tiktoker's posts have made the professor and her family
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  Speaker 1: fear for their lives. The lawsuit claims Rebecca Schofield, an
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  Speaker 1: associate professor and the chair of the History department at
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  Speaker 1: the University of Idaho, has sued Ashley Gaillard, a Texas
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  Speaker 1: based social media commentator, for defamation in a federal complaint
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  Speaker 1: filed earlier this week. And this TikToker, Ashley Gallard, I
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  Speaker 1: watched a little bit of the stuff she put out.
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  Speaker 1: Holy cow, this woman was out there talking about, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's not gonna ssue me because this is the truth,
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  Speaker 1: and this that the other thing. Meanwhile, what does the
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  Speaker 1: professor do? Goes right in southes hear, And that's what
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  Speaker 1: you should do. If someone's out here defaming you, dragging
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  Speaker 1: your name through the mud, and you know it's not
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  Speaker 1: the truth. This is exactly what you should be doing,
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  Speaker 1: because as a professor and as a professional in general,
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  Speaker 1: this has all kinds of impacts on your life. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna miss out on money, you can miss out on
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  Speaker 1: a job, all kinds of things, all because some idiot
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok wants to slap their gums and talk about
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  Speaker 1: you being a killer. She says that Gollard, whom she
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  Speaker 1: has never met, has falsely linked her to the violent
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  Speaker 1: stabbing desks of Xana Kernodle, her boyfriend Ethan Chapin, and
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  Speaker 1: Kernodle's roommates Matty Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalvez as they slept
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  Speaker 1: in their Moscow house on November thirteenth. Yo, imagine what
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  Speaker 1: kind of lunatic you have to be to think that
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  Speaker 1: people you've never even met before committed a murder that
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  Speaker 1: you have no evidence of in a place where you've
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  Speaker 1: never even been. But all of a sudden, you're an expert,
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  Speaker 1: and you're going to solve the case from your home
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  Speaker 1: in Texas. And not only to solve the case, but
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  Speaker 1: she has suspects, she knows who did it, and she's
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  Speaker 1: adamant that this professor is the killer. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess if you take mushrooms in the morning and you
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  Speaker 1: mix it with LSD for lunch, this could be the result.
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  Speaker 1: But besides that, I don't know how you can make
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  Speaker 1: these leaps, Like what is wrong with you? Do you
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  Speaker 1: really need clicks that bad on your content that you
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  Speaker 1: have to make up stuff and talk about someone as
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  Speaker 1: a killer if they're not. It's almost like these people
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  Speaker 1: think they're living inside of their computer and that what
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  Speaker 1: they say online doesn't have any impact offline. But that
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  Speaker 1: couldn't be farther from the truth. If you're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: up here and you're going to defame people on the internet,
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  Speaker 1: you better be telling the truth or you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get sued. Glard's statements are false, the complaint continues. Professor
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  Speaker 1: Scholfield did not participate in the murders, and she had
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  Speaker 1: never met any of the victims, let alone entered a
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  Speaker 1: romantic relationship with them. Professor Scholfield did not commit or
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  Speaker 1: in any way participate in the murders of four students.
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  Speaker 1: The lawsuit later says, imagine having to come out and
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  Speaker 1: say this file a whole ass lawsuit because some knucklehead
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  Speaker 1: on the internet wants to call you a murderer or
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  Speaker 1: a killer or something like that. Who needs that in
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  Speaker 1: their life? The extra grief, never mind the financial strain
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  Speaker 1: of hiring a lawyer and going after this person. Glard,
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  Speaker 1: the complaint says, promotes yourself on Amazon and TikTok as
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  Speaker 1: an internet sleuth that solves high profile, unsolved murders by
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  Speaker 1: consulting tarot cards and performing other readings to obtain information
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  Speaker 1: about the murders. I mean, for real tarot cards. I
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  Speaker 1: have had my fill of psychics and tarot readers and
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  Speaker 1: crystal ball readers and all of that jazz. Enough is
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  Speaker 1: enough already. Why did people feed into that? I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's for a whole other episode. But why would people
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  Speaker 1: want to listen to content like that? Why would people
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  Speaker 1: want to consume that garbage? I just don't understand. It's
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  Speaker 1: not even entertaining. If it was entertaining, then great, but
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  Speaker 1: it's just straight garbage. There's no spirits talking to you.
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  Speaker 1: There's no tarot reading that's gonna lead you to the killer,
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  Speaker 1: and you certainly have no idea what's going on in Moscow.
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  Speaker 1: Golard reportedly as claim to solve the murders of Migo's
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  Speaker 1: rapper takeoff, as well as other high profile cases. According
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  Speaker 1: to the lawsuit, Yeah, well, you know, I'm gonna make
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  Speaker 1: the claim right now that in my past life I
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  Speaker 1: was Julius Caesar. That's right. That's it. From now on,
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  Speaker 1: you can just say how you doing, Caesar when you
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  Speaker 1: see me walking down the street. That's about as absurd
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  Speaker 1: as making the claim that you solved all of these
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  Speaker 1: cases in these crimes. In her videos, Golard has said
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  Speaker 1: that Schofield ordered the execution of the four students after
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  Speaker 1: planning their murders, the lawsuit claims. In at least one video,
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  Speaker 1: Gollard said that Schofield and a University of Idaho's student
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  Speaker 1: identified in the complaint only as j D planned the
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  Speaker 1: murders together. And these are the kind of people, meaning
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  Speaker 1: this content creator that we're sharing air with, And when
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  Speaker 1: the investigators talk about crazies, they're talking directly to people
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  Speaker 1: like this, And it blows me away that in the
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  Speaker 1: year twenty twenty three, We're still out here talking about
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  Speaker 1: psychics and tarot card readers. I mean, for real, for real,
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  Speaker 1: this is where we're still at, Where we're going to
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  Speaker 1: rely on tarot card readers and psychics, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to consume their videos in the millions. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: understand it, and I guess I never will. Golard's false
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  Speaker 1: tiktoks have damaged Professor Scofield's reputation. The lawsuit says they
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  Speaker 1: have caused her significant emotional distress. She fears for her
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  Speaker 1: life and for the lives of her family members. She
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  Speaker 1: has incurred costs, including costs to install a security system
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  Speaker 1: and security cameras at her residence. She fears that Golard's
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  Speaker 1: false statements may motivate someone to cause harm to her
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  Speaker 1: and her family members, and that is certainly something that
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  Speaker 1: is a possibility. As a content creator, you don't know
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  Speaker 1: who is consuming your content, so you have to be
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  Speaker 1: very careful what you're saying and what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And when you put a target on somebody's back, like
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  Speaker 1: this woman did for this professor, that brings up a
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  Speaker 1: whole range of problems for everybody involved. The complaint also
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  Speaker 1: alleges that Schofield has suffered damages because Gollard's false tiktoks
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  Speaker 1: have been viewed millions of times and widely reposted by
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  Speaker 1: other TikTok users. Why, though, why would anyone repost this garbage?
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  Speaker 1: As University of Idaho policy prohibits romantic relationships between professors
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  Speaker 1: and students. Schofield says that her reputation and career at
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  Speaker 1: the university was further damaged as a result of Gollard's actions,
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  Speaker 1: and that she has been subject to online ridicule and
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  Speaker 1: threats from Gollard's online commentators. I mean, really, so, not
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  Speaker 1: only are you going to accuse this lady of being
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  Speaker 1: the murderer or being part of the mur You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: rile up your commentators, You're gonna rile up your audience
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  Speaker 1: to go on her. Rasser. It is unclear why Gallard
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  Speaker 1: has set her sights on Schofield. The complaint repeediately says
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  Speaker 1: that the two have never met, and notes that the
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  Speaker 1: professor wasn't in the state when the victims were killed.
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  Speaker 1: Professor Schofield was not in Moscow, Idaho, when the murders occurred.
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  Speaker 1: The complaint says, she and her husband were in Portland
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  Speaker 1: visiting friends. They stayed in a hotel, checking out in
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  Speaker 1: the morning on November thirteenth, after the murders occurred. They
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  Speaker 1: drove from Portland to Moscow, a drive of more than
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  Speaker 1: five hours, arriving after law enforcement had discovered the murders.
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  Speaker 1: So she wasn't even in town. She has receipts to
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  Speaker 1: back it up. She was with her husband, she was
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  Speaker 1: in a hotel, and this content creator is still on
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  Speaker 1: their bullshit. According to the complaint, Gollard did not stop
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  Speaker 1: after lawyers for Schofield sent a cease and desist letter
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  Speaker 1: on Novent twenty ninth, and in fact continued to post
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  Speaker 1: accusatory videos after that, even as her own viewers told
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  Speaker 1: her that she was making false claims. Many TikTok users
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  Speaker 1: warned Gillard that her statements were false and that she
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  Speaker 1: was defaming Professor Schofield, among others. The complaint says Gallard
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  Speaker 1: did not stop making false and defamatory tiktoks despite being
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  Speaker 1: warned of their falsity multiple times by persons commenting on
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  Speaker 1: her tiktoks. Yo TikTok is literally the armpit of the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: right up there with four chan. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: anyone spends any time on TikTok whatsoever. A bunch of
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  Speaker 1: stupid videos. Really, That's that's the thing. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I feel dumber anytime I watch any of those stupid, short,
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  Speaker 1: real videos. If I want to watch funny videos, I'll
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  Speaker 1: go look for them on the internet, on like YouTube
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  Speaker 1: or something. I just don't get the whole draw of TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm getting old. That's really what it comes
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  Speaker 1: down to. I guess equally. Concerning other TikTok, users commented
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  Speaker 1: that they believed Golard's false statements that Professor Scholfield ordered
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  Speaker 1: the murder of the victims, that Professor Schofield was romantically
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  Speaker 1: involved with Gonsalves, and that they wondered when Professor Schofield
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  Speaker 1: would be brought to justice. The complaint continues, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: imagine dealing with that some lamebrains sitting on the Internet
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  Speaker 1: popping off at the gums about you, talking out of
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  Speaker 1: the side of their neck and saying you're a killer.
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  Speaker 1: Schofield has taught at the University of Idaho since twenty
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  Speaker 1: sixteen and became chair of the history department in July
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, the complaint says. The lawsuit also
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  Speaker 1: notes that none of the four victims ever took a
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  Speaker 1: class from Schofield, and she does not recall ever meeting
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  Speaker 1: any of them. Gollard, for her part, has set on
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  Speaker 1: TikTok that she is aware of the lawsuit and appears
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  Speaker 1: to actually welcome it. I am actually gleaming with excitement,
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  Speaker 1: she said in a video posted on Friday, adding that
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  Speaker 1: she is looking forward to putting her version of events
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  Speaker 1: on the record in court. And you know, the sad
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  Speaker 1: part is it's gonna drive more views and more likes
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  Speaker 1: towards your page, and she's gonna get the end result
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  Speaker 1: that she's looking for, which is a monetization of this tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: Golard also said that she's not afraid of a legal battle.
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  Speaker 1: People just don't get it. Like I've been against people
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  Speaker 1: big and small, corporations and giants and systemic policies and racism.
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  Speaker 1: And one said Golard, who was black, a video posted
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, they all regret coming against me, all of them. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know, everyone's such a big baller, everyone such a
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  Speaker 1: renegade and a vigilante. My question always is where were
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  Speaker 1: all of these renegades and these vigilantes and all of
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  Speaker 1: these you know, Serpaco types out here who talk all
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  Speaker 1: this big game about how they go against the biggest,
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  Speaker 1: strongest people in the world. None of them were to
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  Speaker 1: be found when we were battling against Epstein and Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: and all of the real most powerful people in the
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  Speaker 1: world for four years that battle was waged, and all
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  Speaker 1: of these big mouths while they sat on the sidelines
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  Speaker 1: while the rest of us were in the mosh pit
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  Speaker 1: mixing it up. So all of the boasting here about
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  Speaker 1: going up against the most powerful corporations, well it sort
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  Speaker 1: of falls flat. Now Rebecca is going to be added
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  Speaker 1: to that list of regretful people, Glard added. Scholfield's lawyers
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  Speaker 1: insist unequivocally that Schofield has no connections whatsoever to the victims.
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  Speaker 1: The statements made about Professor Schofield are false, plain and simple,
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  Speaker 1: Schofield's lawyer, Wendy Olsen said in a statement email to
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  Speaker 1: lawng Crime. What's even worse is that these untrue statements
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  Speaker 1: create safety issues for the professor and her family. They
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  Speaker 1: also further compound the trauma that the families of the
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  Speaker 1: victims are experiencing and undermine law enforcement efforts to find
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  Speaker 1: the people responsible in order to provide answers to the
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  Speaker 1: families and the public. Professor Scholfield twice sent season desist
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  Speaker 1: letters to miss Gallard, but Miss Gallard has continued to
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  Speaker 1: make false statements knowing they are false. Thus this lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: became necessary to protect Professor Scholfield's safety and or reputation.
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  Speaker 1: The University of Idaho, while not involved in the litigation,
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  Speaker 1: criticize the accusations against Schofield. Speculation and rumors do not
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  Speaker 1: help the investigation or the family. Kyle Plantsfeld plans to fuel,
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  Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the university said in a statement email
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  Speaker 1: to lawng Crime. While this lawsuit is a private matter,
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  Speaker 1: U of I does not condone spreading false information and
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  Speaker 1: finds this particular allegation to be one of the worst
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  Speaker 1: we have seen. Yeah, I can agree with that. You
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  Speaker 1: can't be how you're saying stuff like this. Schofield is
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  Speaker 1: seeking an unspecified amount in compensatory and punitive damages, as
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  Speaker 1: well as attorney fees and costs. First Amendment expert Floyd Abrams,
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  Speaker 1: father of Law Crime founder Dan Abrams, said that the
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit does not appear to be frivolous. I agree it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: If you're making these statements about somebody and you're causing
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  Speaker 1: them reputational harm and it's not true, you gotta get
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  Speaker 1: slapped for it. On the face of it. Professor Scobels
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  Speaker 1: Scofield's libel claim appears to be a serious one, Abrams said.
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  Speaker 1: There may or may not be valid defenses to it,
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  Speaker 1: but the fact that the charges were made on the
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  Speaker 1: Internet is certainly not one of them. University of Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: constitutional law expert Kermit Roosevelt told Long Crime that Golard's
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  Speaker 1: videos could potentially do serious damage to Schofield's reputation one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent. You have all these millions of views of
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  Speaker 1: a video so on calling you a murderer and you
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  Speaker 1: didn't do that. Of course that's going to follow you
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  Speaker 1: around forever. Remember, Richard Jewel, if you're doing this publicly
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  Speaker 1: and you're just exeminating your speech to millions of people,
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  Speaker 1: potentially you could be causing massive reputational harm. And the
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  Speaker 1: things that are being said on these tiktoks are certainly defamatory,
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  Speaker 1: Roosevelt said. They are allegations of involvement in a crime
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  Speaker 1: and allegations of professional misconduct. So there's a potential for
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  Speaker 1: very serious reputational harm. You can't just say that about
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  Speaker 1: someone if it's not true, and I know of no
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  Speaker 1: evidence suggesting that it is true. So there's significant potential
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  Speaker 1: defamation liability for the speaker here, and there's no doubt
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  Speaker 1: that Miss Gillard is going to be up against it.
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  Speaker 1: There's all of this video evidence of her defaming her
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  Speaker 1: talking all kinds of nonsense on these TikTok videos. And
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  Speaker 1: if you don't think those are going to make their
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  Speaker 1: way to court, you're wrong. They are. Those are going
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  Speaker 1: to be part of the evidence that's presented when and
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  Speaker 1: if this case goes to trial. So I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: add a little more context to the story considering we
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  Speaker 1: just had that blur previously. So there you have it, folks,
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  Speaker 1: there's the lawsuit between Professor Scofield and the TikTok tarot
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  Speaker 1: card reader Ashley Gillard. If you'd like to contact me,
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  Speaker 1: you can do that at Bobby Kopuuci at ProtonMail dot com.
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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. The
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  Speaker 1: battle in the courtroom between Ashley Gillard, the TikTok tarot
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  Speaker 1: card reader, and Professor Ashley Schofield from the University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho continues to ray John and in this episode, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get an update. This article was published by the
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  Speaker 1: Huffington Post and the headline A TikTok psychic and the
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  Speaker 1: professor are facing off over and outrageous true crime conspiracy,
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  Speaker 1: Like how is this even a thing? Imagine being a
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  Speaker 1: judge and somebody brings this case before you. It would
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  Speaker 1: only take me two SIPs of coffee and reading the
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  Speaker 1: byline to understand that this is without merit. I would
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  Speaker 1: throw this case out in three seconds. Look, there's no
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  Speaker 1: such thing as tarot card readers. There's no such thing
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  Speaker 1: as psychics. There's no such thing as spirit boxes or
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  Speaker 1: any of that other nonsense. Sure, it's all fun to
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  Speaker 1: look at for entertainment purposes, but the second people start
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  Speaker 1: thinking that their entertainment meaning their tarot card reading or
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: their quote unquote psychic readings, are actually real, then that
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  Speaker 1: person has certainly lost the plot. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Drusilla Morehause. As Brian Koberger's murder trial approaches for
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  Speaker 1: the stabbings of for you University of Idaho students, a
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  Speaker 1: legal sideshow is taking place a history professor's defamation lawsuit
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  Speaker 1: against the TikTok psychic who claims, without any basis beyond
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  Speaker 1: her spiritual investigation, that the professor perpetrated the mass killings. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you would think if you were a psychic and you
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  Speaker 1: had this kind of ability, you'd be out here trying
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  Speaker 1: to win the lottery, right out here, trying to do
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  Speaker 1: something great with your life. But no, this woman decided
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  Speaker 1: that she was going to just randomly choose somebody and
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  Speaker 1: say that they're a murderer. Ashley Gallard, a Texas Tarot
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  Speaker 1: card reader. I can't even believe they're classifying it like that.
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  Speaker 1: Is that like an actual job people pay to go
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  Speaker 1: get their tarot card readings. I'm in the wrong drift man.
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  Speaker 1: From now on you can call me the Great hop
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  Speaker 1: Along Case of Diatch, and for the price of one
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  Speaker 1: chicken palm dinner, I'll tell you your future. Ashley Gallard,
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  Speaker 1: a Texas Tarot card reader said in a series of
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  Speaker 1: tiktoks that University of Idaho history professor Rebecca Skulfield was
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  Speaker 1: having an affair with one of the four victims and
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  Speaker 1: orchestrated their killings to cover it up. Again, there's no
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  Speaker 1: evidence of this. Even a judge has called it an
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  Speaker 1: outrageous claim, but it's resulted in months of legal proceedings
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  Speaker 1: in federal court and the wild attempt by Gallard to
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  Speaker 1: countersue the professor. Now again, you want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: frivolous bullshit, Here it is, lady. You're out here talking
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  Speaker 1: out of the side of your neck like your miss
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  Speaker 1: Cleo on speed, and you're saying that somebody else is
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  Speaker 1: responsible for your pain and suffering. You caused it all
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  Speaker 1: yourself by running your yap trying to draw traffic to
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  Speaker 1: your TikTok page or whatever the fuck it's called. And
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  Speaker 1: the sad part is people were heading over there in droves.
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  Speaker 1: Hundreds of thousands of people were watching that bullshit, those
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  Speaker 1: stupid ass videos. You might as well have watched Lord
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  Speaker 1: of the Rings. That's about how true those TikTok videos
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  Speaker 1: were that she was making. Glard began leveling her accusations.
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  Speaker 1: About ten days after Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalvez, Zana Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: and Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin were killed in their off
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  Speaker 1: campus home in Moscow, Idaho, in the early morning hours
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  Speaker 1: of November thirteenth. Despite the preposterous claims, they gained traction,
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  Speaker 1: or at least attention. Her tiktoks were viewed millions of times.
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  Speaker 1: And that's because the sad truth is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are looking for salaciousness. They don't want the truth.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want something that's based in reality. They want
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  Speaker 1: this whole entire thing to play out like a movie.
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  Speaker 1: So they go in watch content from people like this lady.
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  Speaker 1: They put a bunch of air in her tires, and
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  Speaker 1: what it does is it motivates her to continue making
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  Speaker 1: that garbage ass content. What happens if a fire is
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  Speaker 1: fed oxygen, Well, it grows right. Well, what happens if
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  Speaker 1: you avoid giving that fire oxygen? It goes out? And
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  Speaker 1: the same is true of this garbage content that people
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  Speaker 1: like this make. The killings coincided with the height of
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  Speaker 1: a new era of Internet sleuthing. People were hungry for
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  Speaker 1: true crime content and TikTokers were happy to feed their appetite.
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  Speaker 1: One of the most popular types of TikTok makeup tutorials,
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  Speaker 1: fused with true crime, with people dissecting and theorizing cases
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  Speaker 1: while disconcertingly dotting their faces with different shades of makeup
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  Speaker 1: from a contooring palate. I mean, really, that's what people do.
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  Speaker 1: Let me go ahead and put on my makeup and
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  Speaker 1: talk about someone being murdered. The sad truth is, for
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  Speaker 1: the vast majority of these people, Ethan, Maddie, Kaylee, and Zana,
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  Speaker 1: they're just names in a newspaper. They're not even real people.
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  Speaker 1: They're just another way to drive some clicks and to
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  Speaker 1: make a few more bucks. As the weeks went by
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  Speaker 1: with no suspect publicly named, the frenzy of theories only increased.
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  Speaker 1: Police were forced to dispel a number of rumors spread
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  Speaker 1: by TikTokers and other social media platforms who docksed innocent people,
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  Speaker 1: harassed local business owners, and made villains out of the
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  Speaker 1: victim's roommates and boyfriends, sorority and fraternity members, and even
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  Speaker 1: a guy hanging around the food truck where Gonsalvas and
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  Speaker 1: Mogan picked up pasta shortly before their deaths, and all
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  Speaker 1: these content creators were out here thinking that they were
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  Speaker 1: Sherlock Holmes, but in reality they were nothing more than
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  Speaker 1: Abbott and Costello. Oh yeah, this one's guilty, that one's guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Here's an idea. Why don't we wait for the information
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  Speaker 1: to come in. Why don't we wait for the evidence
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  Speaker 1: to show up? Then we start talking about who's guilty
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  Speaker 1: and who's innocent. While most amateur crime solvers followed clues,
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  Speaker 1: Gillard relied on her psychic intuition. As a US magistrate
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  Speaker 1: Judge Raymond Edward Patricio Junior pointed out when rejecting her
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  Speaker 1: recent counterclaims against Gofield, her spiritual research based on tarot
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  Speaker 1: reading led to the University of Idaho History Department, which
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  Speaker 1: Schofield shared and spiritually inquired into each person listed on
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  Speaker 1: its web page. Gollard said she zeroed in on Schofield
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  Speaker 1: using her intuitive abilities, spiritual acuity, and investigative skills. Man,
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  Speaker 1: this lady should be working for the CIA. Look at
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  Speaker 1: all these skills. She has an everyday renaissance woman over
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  Speaker 1: here in TikTok. After TikTok, Gollard insisted that Schofield had
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  Speaker 1: been romantically involved with Gonsalves and enlisted Gonsalva's ex boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: to kill her and her friends. Again. There is no
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  Speaker 1: evidence Schofield and Gonsalves even knew each other. Schofield's attorneys
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  Speaker 1: sent Golard two season desist letters on November twenty ninth
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  Speaker 1: and December eighth of twenty twenty two, demanding that she
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  Speaker 1: stopped posting and remove all defamatory tiktoks and apologized to Schofield.
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  Speaker 1: Golard refused, and, as Schofield's defamation suit notes, posted more
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  Speaker 1: than twenty new tiktoks between December eighteenth and nineteenth, continuing
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  Speaker 1: to paint Schofield as the mastermind behind the killings. And
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  Speaker 1: as she was doing this, if you recall, I was
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  Speaker 1: saying how dangerous this is going to be for her.
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  Speaker 1: You can't be out here saying this sort of shit.
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  Speaker 1: You better have some proof. The defamation suit, filed December
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  Speaker 1: twenty first, twenty twenty two, claims that Gollard used the
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  Speaker 1: community's pain for online self promotion, which could be said
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  Speaker 1: for many TikTokers, whether deliberately or simply insensitive to the
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  Speaker 1: effects their wild speculation would have on innocent people, the victims,
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  Speaker 1: loved ones, and the investigation itself. Gollard continued making the
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  Speaker 1: claim even after Coberger was arrested on December thirtieth, saying
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  Speaker 1: he was just a pawn in Schofield's alleged scheme. Coberger
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  Speaker 1: is pleaded not guilty to the killings, and though many
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  Speaker 1: questions remain about the case, a grand jerry found enough
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  Speaker 1: probable cause to indict him in May. Is this author okay?
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  Speaker 1: What questions remain? Like? Literally, what questions remain at this point?
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  Speaker 1: There's some people out there that really don't understand how
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  Speaker 1: the process works inside of a courtroom. And they're the
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  Speaker 1: very same people that were telling you that Alex Murda
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  Speaker 1: had a shot to get off, the same people telling
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  Speaker 1: you that Glaine Maxwell was going to get off, the
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  Speaker 1: same people telling you that Danny Masterson was going to
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  Speaker 1: get off. And how did that work out for all
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  Speaker 1: of them? Schofield, who was taught at the University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho since twenty sixteen, was in Portland, Oregon with her
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  Speaker 1: husband visiting friends the weekend of the murders. She asserts
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  Speaker 1: in her lawsuit that neither the victims nor Gonsawva's ex
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend attended any class that she taught, and she doesn't
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  Speaker 1: recall meeting any of them. Gollard, who lives in Texas,
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  Speaker 1: has never even been the moscow. In the defamation lawsuit,
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  Speaker 1: Schofield's attorneys said that Gollard's TikTok account, which has since
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  Speaker 1: been taken down shocking, had more than one hundred thousand followers,
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  Speaker 1: and that some of her tiktoks claiming Schofield was responsible
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  Speaker 1: for the killings, had two point five million likes, and
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  Speaker 1: that just shows you everything you need to know right there.
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  Speaker 1: As a content creator, these are the lengths that people
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  Speaker 1: have to go to when their content sucks. Here's an idea,
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  Speaker 1: make better content, and you won't have to be a fool.
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  Speaker 1: You won't have to be an absolute clown dancing under
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  Speaker 1: the big tent at the circus. As a result, the
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit alleges Schofield's name was linked to murder in a
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  Speaker 1: basic Internet search, tarnishing her reputation, making her the subject
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  Speaker 1: of online ridicule and threats from Glard's online commenters, and
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  Speaker 1: causing her to fear for her and her family safety.
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  Speaker 1: Gallard statements have caused Schofield significant emotional distress. The defamation
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit claims she fears for her life for the lives
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  Speaker 1: of her family made, and she has incurred costs, including
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  Speaker 1: costs to install a security system and security cameras out
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  Speaker 1: of residence. She fears that Gallard's false statements may motivate
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  Speaker 1: someone to cause harm to her and her family members,
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  Speaker 1: and there's always that risk. What there's not crazy sons
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  Speaker 1: of bitches out there, not people who lives in the
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  Speaker 1: content creators like Ashley Gaillard and take everything they say
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  Speaker 1: as sacracent. Hell, yeah, there are. So that's why as
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  Speaker 1: a content creator, it's up to you to take care
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  Speaker 1: of what you're saying and not to be some kinds
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  Speaker 1: of inflammatory asshole. But God forbid morality gets in the
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  Speaker 1: way of some people. Collect in a bag. As the
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  Speaker 1: case continues, Scholfield is also facing legal bills, and a
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  Speaker 1: friend organized a goalfundme to help defray the costs, but
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  Speaker 1: Gallard said in July twenty first court hearing that she's
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  Speaker 1: the one taking a financial hit because the suit and
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  Speaker 1: its publicity deprived her the ability to exercise her spiritual practice,
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  Speaker 1: while Schofield is gaining money from crowdfunding efforts and grew
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  Speaker 1: in popularity and support. Well, she grew in popularity and
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  Speaker 1: support because everybody could tell that you're out here grifting.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody believes that this lady was involved. She said that
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  Speaker 1: she lost sleep. It didn't hurt her at all. Glard
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  Speaker 1: told the judge. She did those things, meaning the killings,
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  Speaker 1: that's why she lost sleep. Imagine doubling down on this bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a dream that you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole entire world was going to end tomorrow. Tomorrow comes,
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  Speaker 1: and then it's a new excuse why it didn't happen,
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  Speaker 1: same old bullshit since the beginning of time, with these
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  Speaker 1: snake oil salesmen, with these grifters, with these straight up
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  Speaker 1: bullshit artists. Glard continued to lean in Rebecca Schofield, what
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  Speaker 1: I said about her is true. In her counterclaim, Golard,
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  Speaker 1: who has represented herself in the proceedings, said she planned
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  Speaker 1: a subpoena meta for all messages on school Field's Facebook
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  Speaker 1: and Instagram accounts from June first, twenty twenty one to
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  Speaker 1: the present, as well as Schofield's Facebook friends list and
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  Speaker 1: anyone she is unfriended, and communications between Schofield and the
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  Speaker 1: University of Idaho students, including but not limited to the
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  Speaker 1: victims and Gunsalva's ex boyfriend beginning in June of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one. She also wanted to see any communications that
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  Speaker 1: mention Gillard's name, social media handles and the word TikTok. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be twenty five feet tall and play
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  Speaker 1: for the New York Jets. How's that working out. It's
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  Speaker 1: an astounding request that the judge criticized as a fishing
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  Speaker 1: expedition and a ready fire aim approach that is not
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  Speaker 1: permitted under federal law. As he ruled to dismiss the counterclaim.
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  Speaker 1: In short, Patricio said the pleading requirement does not provide
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  Speaker 1: a key to unlock the doors of discovery for a
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  Speaker 1: plaint if armed with nothing more than conclusions, again must
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  Speaker 1: be plausible on its face. In Gollard's counterclaims and comments
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  Speaker 1: in the hearing, she portrayed herself as the victim, saying
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  Speaker 1: Schofield incited an online riot against her, threatened her livelihood
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  Speaker 1: as a spiritual adviser, and discriminated against her religion a
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  Speaker 1: spiritual adviser. All Right, you know what, from now on,
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  Speaker 1: I am now the Pope of the Church of the
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  Speaker 1: Inflame Foot. That's it. From now on, I want you
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  Speaker 1: to call me your holiness. In response, Wendy Olsen, Scholfield's attorney,
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  Speaker 1: said she can have those beliefs and practice that as
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  Speaker 1: a religion, but what she can't do is use them
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  Speaker 1: to defame someone. If a religion believes in animal sacrifice,
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  Speaker 1: she said, you can't go sacrifice your neighbor's dog. Patricio
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  Speaker 1: noted that Golard's attempts to equate her spirituality with protected
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  Speaker 1: religious class is the material in the claim. Scholfield's lawsuit,
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  Speaker 1: he said, cannot be read as an attack on Gallard's spirituality,
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  Speaker 1: but honor false claim that Schofield murdered four people. This
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  Speaker 1: is a motion where the facts do not exist at all,
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  Speaker 1: Olsen told the judge Patricio seem to agree based solely
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  Speaker 1: on her claimed ability to psychically define the truth. Defendant
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  Speaker 1: makes extraordinary allegations about how plaintiff orchestrated the murder of
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  Speaker 1: four people to cover up a secret romantic relationship with
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  Speaker 1: one of the victims. He said, in dismissing Gollard's countersuit.
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  Speaker 1: These claims are not only conclusory and unverifiable, but arguably
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  Speaker 1: so outrageous as to be clearly baseless and thus implausible.
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  Speaker 1: If Scofield's defamation suit goes to trial, it would begin
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  Speaker 1: no earlier than January twenty twenty four. Colberger's criminal trial
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  Speaker 1: is set for October. Second. You know, people will do
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  Speaker 1: anything for some money. People will say anything, do anything,
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  Speaker 1: and act like a straight up fool if it means
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  Speaker 1: they're going to make a couple of bucks. And my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: that's all this ever was one gigantic cash grab. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. All of the
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