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Disey's New CEO & A Crash of Fate Review CCLXXV · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always. Hello, everyone, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to another episode of the Star Wars Alliance where
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  Speaker 1: Clay was about to say something I should have warded it,
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  Speaker 1: but I was hidding go live but it fails at that. Hi, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we're here to talk about that's not right, that's it's
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  Speaker 1: the Dynasty of Evil in the background, Clay, hold on,
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  Speaker 1: hold on here here, guys.
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  Speaker 2: I I did the uh stream yard stuff on my laptop,
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  Speaker 2: not on my desktop, So I need to go find
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  Speaker 2: it and I'll put up in the background.
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  Speaker 1: At least I caught it sooner or rather than.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all.
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  Speaker 1: We're here to talk about Disney's new CEO that is
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  Speaker 1: going to be taking over mid March, as well as
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  Speaker 1: Zorata Cordova is a Crash of Fate. Guys, we are
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  Speaker 1: going to with in honor of the first official why
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  Speaker 1: a romance novel in the Star Wars genre, We're talking
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  Speaker 1: this month about the two romance novels that we have
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  Speaker 1: not talked about already, which are a Crash of Fate
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  Speaker 1: and Lost Star. So that is what you can look
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  Speaker 1: forward to, especially with it being Valentine's Day, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: super super comforting talking about romance in this vein of things.
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  Speaker 1: So Crash of Fate was first, just because I feel
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  Speaker 1: like Lost Stars is like the big one in Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: the everybody talks about, and so for a Valentine's Day episode,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that would makes the most sense to
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  Speaker 1: do for Valentine's Day. But I love this book that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today, But we got to
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  Speaker 1: talk about news first. So Clay, you probably know more
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  Speaker 1: about this guy than I do, so.
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  Speaker 2: Uh no, I don't. But there's two things that I
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  Speaker 2: really want to bring up. One the whole reason why
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about uh his name being.
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  Speaker 1: Josh de Armom, Yes, that's how I pronounce it.
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  Speaker 2: He is, of course going to be the new CEO
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  Speaker 2: of Disney. We have felt all sorts of different ways
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to.
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  Speaker 3: Bob Iger and his leadership at Disney.
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  Speaker 2: We've loved him, we've hated him, We've you know, threw
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  Speaker 2: our fists at him, you know, not throw our fist,
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  Speaker 2: shake our fist at him. With a lot of decisions
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  Speaker 2: that he's recently made, more so because of the of
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  Speaker 2: course hit piece that came out about the Hunt Forbidden Solo,
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  Speaker 2: and my question to you is. And it's harder for
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  Speaker 2: you to answer this question because you don't know anything
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  Speaker 2: about Josh.
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  Speaker 3: But is he going to play ball? That's my real question.
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  Speaker 2: And this is more so not just to you, but
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  Speaker 2: to everybody and to myself, and just like.
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  Speaker 3: What does this mean for this new leadership? You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's hard to say, right because this guy
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  Speaker 1: has mostly been in charge of it looks like the
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  Speaker 1: Disney Experiences. He's the chairman of the Disney Experiences, which
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  Speaker 1: I think relegates him to parks. Yes, in that regard,
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  Speaker 1: which we had heard that Disney was going to try
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  Speaker 1: to start pushing the parks a little bit more and
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  Speaker 1: getting more revenue out of the parks. So this move
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. My thought process is is that Josh is
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  Speaker 1: not going to have a whole lot of feedback on
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  Speaker 1: the experience, like on the entertainment side of things. He's
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  Speaker 1: gonna more run the business element of things. Because the
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  Speaker 1: runner up for the CEO spot, Daniel Walden, has been
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  Speaker 1: named and where was it? He has been named president
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  Speaker 1: and Chief Creative Officer, which chief creative officer has not
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  Speaker 1: apparently been something that Disney has had previously. The CCO
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  Speaker 1: and the CEO were the same person. So Dana is
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  Speaker 1: currently the TV chief and it looks like the co
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  Speaker 1: chairman of Disney Entertainment. So this move makes sense. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like she has entertainment experience. She can lead the
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  Speaker 1: creative side of things for Disney's ips, all of the
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  Speaker 1: different elements and everything, and hopefully they work very much
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  Speaker 1: like James Gunn and Peter Saffron, hopefully like Dave Filoni
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  Speaker 1: and oh my gosh, I've already forgotten.
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  Speaker 3: Her name, uh Brennan.
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  Speaker 1: And Brinan, and so hopefully this works in a very
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  Speaker 1: similar vein she doesn't get the co CEO name, but
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  Speaker 1: for Disney, I mean the CEO position would I think.
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  Speaker 2: It still holds a lot of weight. Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: that still holds a lot of weight.
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  Speaker 3: And I you know, one of the big things that.
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  Speaker 2: Just recently I think today came out is uh Josh
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  Speaker 2: Diamarro Diamorro, however you want to pronounce. He's come out
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  Speaker 2: and said that AI will not be a leading structure
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  Speaker 2: for Disney moving forward, quoting and saying that, uh, Disney
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  Speaker 2: is the powerhouse that it is because of the creative
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  Speaker 2: minds behind it, and you cannot replace that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're only saying it right now you have to
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  Speaker 2: prove it, you have to show it.
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  Speaker 1: Which is exactly the same thing. I feel a little
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  Speaker 1: nervous that we have to deal with new Lucasfilm CEO
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  Speaker 1: or presidents at the same time as new Disney CEO
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  Speaker 1: feel a little wonky in this environment of things. Important
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  Speaker 1: to note, I saw this on Twitter, but Alan is
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  Speaker 1: still on the Disney board and he was one of
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  Speaker 1: the ones who said no to the Hunt for Ben Solo.
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  Speaker 1: So now the question is is if that script were
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  Speaker 1: to come back up, does he immediately cut it out
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  Speaker 1: or does Day and do Dana and Josh get a
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  Speaker 1: fighting chance for it if they see fit.
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  Speaker 2: I would hope so, more so only because legitimately, due
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  Speaker 2: to the reaction of its announcement that it will never
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  Speaker 2: be there was a huge wave on all platforms and
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  Speaker 2: a huge reaction from.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the hunt of beIN Solo.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, that I think that if this were to come
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  Speaker 2: up again, they would legitimately say, hey, let's pause for
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  Speaker 2: a second.
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  Speaker 3: Let's actually consider this. What does this mean for us? Right?
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  Speaker 2: So, I think that purely based off of you know,
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  Speaker 2: what has happened in the past, they do get that
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  Speaker 2: fighting chance. I really hope that because again, guys, like
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  Speaker 2: we've talked about this before. We've had a park Sky
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  Speaker 2: in the chair before.
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  Speaker 3: I dubbed him.
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  Speaker 2: Bad Bob way back that, way back when, and Josh,
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  Speaker 2: it's so weird how things you know it, and but
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  Speaker 2: it's technically how things work when it comes to corporate business.
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  Speaker 2: Bad Bob moved up and Josh, Josh literally moved in
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  Speaker 2: the spot that bad Bob was in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so when bad Bob.
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  Speaker 2: Left, good Bob, mediocre Bob now you know, took his spot.
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  Speaker 2: Now he's leaving, and now Josh is going up. So
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  Speaker 2: like this dude has been in it for the.
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  Speaker 3: Long run when it comes to Disney.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see what the separation of powers
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  Speaker 2: has for Disney, what this means for the future years
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  Speaker 2: because everything is kind of already set in stone for
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  Speaker 2: what's already coming out. I don't think they're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: much control over what happens to those movies, and like
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  Speaker 2: control over like reactionary control over what happens if the
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  Speaker 2: you know, movies fail in the box office.
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  Speaker 3: On all of that. So, yeah, I think really.
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  Speaker 2: We see a bunch of their choices will affect anything
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  Speaker 2: after twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too, because you're not gonna come
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  Speaker 1: in and cut things out like like Filony's not gonna
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  Speaker 1: come and just like completely take Starfighter out from yeah
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  Speaker 1: release releasing, like that's not gonna happen. Sorry, So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely would think we're not going to see it's
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven production, maybe late December before we see
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  Speaker 1: anything like come of their reign in the movie side,
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: For sure. But guys, that's really all the news.
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  Speaker 2: I was actually looking at our newsfeed in the Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars Alliance chat and there's really nothing that we talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, there is one more thing, but it's mainly
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  Speaker 1: just a question because so Jason Mamula has come out
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  Speaker 1: and said that he and Dave Bautista want to be
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  Speaker 1: in Star Wars, particularly as villains. So you see this happening.
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  Speaker 2: So I was literally thinking about this on my way
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  Speaker 2: to work, and both of these names have come up
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  Speaker 2: for the exact same character. And unfortunately it kind of
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  Speaker 2: shows like the not so creative mindset of Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: fans when it comes to fan casting and villains, because
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  Speaker 2: it's always Hey, that dude could play Bane.
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  Speaker 3: Hey he could be Bane. Hey, he could be Bane.
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  Speaker 3: And I can.
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  Speaker 2: Understand the reasoning why Baine is a towering individual. He's
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  Speaker 2: very intimidating. Momoa and Batista can both be very intimidating
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  Speaker 2: characters on screen.
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  Speaker 3: They've done it before, so yeah, I can see them
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  Speaker 3: playing that type of character. Do I want them to
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  Speaker 3: play Bank? No?
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  Speaker 2: I think Momoa, this is this is kind of like
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  Speaker 2: out of left field, and I don't think you would
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  Speaker 2: ever do it because that character is already done with
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  Speaker 2: but he has not seen a live action.
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  Speaker 3: Version of himself. Mamoa would play a very good Oh shoot,
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  Speaker 3: I forgot his name. Maul's brother, Savage Opress.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Savage. I think I think Momoa has like the
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  Speaker 2: like beastly anger that Savage has in all of the
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  Speaker 2: episodes that he of course showed up in the Clone.
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  Speaker 2: So I could see Momoa as Savage Batista I could
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  Speaker 2: actually see because like, I think Batista is getting very
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  Speaker 2: used to his like new body. Yeah, he of course
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  Speaker 2: stopped like he's still being healthy. For sure, He's being healthy.
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  Speaker 2: He's working out a whole lot, but he is not
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  Speaker 2: bulking up the way that he used to for roles
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  Speaker 2: and for wrestling for sure, and he's getting older.
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  Speaker 3: He said like, Hey, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Keep up with everybody who's you know, doing all of
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  Speaker 2: these hardcore workouts for superhero movies anymore. So Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think he would be a very interesting, like sci fi villain,
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  Speaker 2: like a like a mad scientist type of character in
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars. I think if if you give him, like
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  Speaker 2: like if if Momoa was the brawn, Batista would be
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  Speaker 2: the brain and hell, I would even be okay with
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  Speaker 2: creating two brand new characters for that exact dynamic. If
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  Speaker 2: you give Batista like this incredible brain and he's wanting to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, do something to throwt the Jedi, you know,
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, and then Mooa being the brawny guy that
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  Speaker 2: he is, being the muscle, I'd be totally doubt for that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that, especially if they want
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  Speaker 1: to because they've gotten more into a vein of like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they want to do Buddy Coup kind of roles, So
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  Speaker 1: I think that would work for me. I don't consider
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  Speaker 1: either of them too famous because I feel like both
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  Speaker 1: have taken on roles. We're very very much hide behind
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  Speaker 1: the role that they're in. They're very good at doing that,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't consider them too famous to take on
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  Speaker 1: a Star Wars role because they tend to blend in
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  Speaker 1: to their surroundings in my mind.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question for trapping.
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  Speaker 1: Because we always we always have to have this question
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  Speaker 1: when a celebrity says I want to be on a
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars film. Yeah, like because Snell, We love you Snell,
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  Speaker 1: but we have to like talk about it well because.
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  Speaker 2: Well he's the one that kind of brought it up
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  Speaker 2: to us. Is that, like, some people can be too
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  Speaker 2: famous for Star Wars and I I don't really agree
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  Speaker 2: to that, mainly because we like Star Wars is an
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  Speaker 2: entire universe with plenty of different types of alien species.
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  Speaker 3: Like you can.
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  Speaker 2: Literally make the most famous person you know look unrecognizable.
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't know if people know this, but.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Hamill was in the SpongeBob movie and people did
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  Speaker 2: not know because of so much makeup that he had.
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  Speaker 2: He played the freaking live action version of the flying Dutchman.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, So like, I'm never a SpongeBob person, so I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well neither have I.
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  Speaker 2: I just I literally saw a random TikTok about it
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  Speaker 2: the other day and I was like, oh, that's Mark
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  Speaker 2: Hamibell and then somebody was like, oh, I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: know that was Mark Hamill. Was like, hah, kind of
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  Speaker 2: just have to look it's Mark Hamill. But but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think that with the ability of special effects makeup now,
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  Speaker 2: you can easily have somebody like a Momoa or Batista
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  Speaker 2: be in broad daylight and you never know who it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, for sure. I think they'd both be perfect War Wars,
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  Speaker 1: especially as we try to delve more. But I say,
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  Speaker 1: as we try to delve more, I would say, as
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  Speaker 1: we as a society are kind of in the zone
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  Speaker 1: of we must make the villains extremely characterizable and like
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  Speaker 1: make them a huge part of the movie, TV show.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, do you know, Oh my gosh, hold on,
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  Speaker 2: this might be blasphemous. This might be blasphemous.
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  Speaker 3: Hold on, so.
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  Speaker 1: While he looks that up, guys. A Crash of Fate
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  Speaker 1: was a part of the Galaxies Edge multimedia project, which
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  Speaker 1: included galaxies Edge, Black Spire, A Crash of Fate, Dark Legends,
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  Speaker 1: Myths and Fables, Ellie and Me, several reference books, the
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  Speaker 1: Galaxies Edge comic series Star Wars Adventures Volume six, Flight
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  Speaker 1: of the Falcon and Star Wars Galaxies Edge Echoes of
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  Speaker 1: the Empire. It has had several video game adventures, including
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars Tales from the Galaxies Edge, Star Wars Tales
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  Speaker 1: from the Galaxy's Edge, Last Call, the sims for Star Wars,
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  Speaker 1: Journey to bat To Trading Cards, and more. So. There
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  Speaker 1: is a Oh and a Whole Symphonic Suite by John Williams.
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  Speaker 1: So this was a giant shebang to promote Galaxies Edge
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  Speaker 1: as a park, very similar to Princess in the Scoundrel,
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  Speaker 1: where you can see, Hey, we were told to include
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  Speaker 1: these details to help sell the park to you. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: once you get past the beginning, it becomes less of
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  Speaker 1: a sales pitch, only to turn around at the end
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  Speaker 1: and become more of a sales pitch. I don't consider
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  Speaker 1: that a fault of the writer in this case. I
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  Speaker 1: think you is very similar to Bethriebus. There's only so
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  Speaker 1: much you can do when you're said, hey, you need
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  Speaker 1: to bring these things into it, and if you're told, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you need to mention more of these things in an
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  Speaker 1: ip universe, there's only so much you can do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think genuinely, there is enough.
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  Speaker 2: And I like to use this analogy a lot when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to kind of actual contexts in the story
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  Speaker 2: and characters in all of this. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: meat and potatoes outside of Galaxy's Edge, right ah, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think that, of course, is where the heart of
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  Speaker 2: this story is. Also, when I said this is blasphemous,
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  Speaker 2: do you think Momoa could play port Ingle?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a younger porter Ingle where he had the more
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  Speaker 1: muscular edge in the mid like if he were to
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  Speaker 1: be like The Broken Blade for instance, which is where
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  Speaker 1: we're assuming, Okay, that's a porter Ingle comic taking place
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  Speaker 1: in phase three, so he is the older gentleman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think he would have to put on a lot
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  Speaker 1: of weight for that to create the character there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I.
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  Speaker 1: Would say maybe a younger one that we saw in
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  Speaker 1: The Blade because he was a little thinner and I
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  Speaker 1: know that controversial to people, but that was the way
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  Speaker 1: the character was described.
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  Speaker 2: And so maybe maybe Okay, yeah, just ran or just
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  Speaker 2: thinking random like other than villains, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what could they do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say he has the Blade skill. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like to do that with all of his other
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: experience between Like I think it was c on Apple
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  Speaker 1: TV game Aquaman, so he has the experience, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like to maintain the weaponry. It would be interesting to see. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I know Charlestol. That was the other thing we
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  Speaker 1: didn't talk about. Charlestol's newsletter. He said he has some
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  Speaker 1: projects up and coming that are like smaller edge things.
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  Speaker 1: Because we did lie in the Legend of Darth Vader
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  Speaker 1: one that was a limited series. It just had its
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  Speaker 1: final issue. So right now there's really not any ongoing
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars comics. Because also it looks like Alex Sigoura's
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars run is also ending at issue number twelve, so.
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  Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, I did not know that.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that either until a couple of days ago.
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  Speaker 3: So I wonder does that mean isn't that selling very well?
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, Well, we saw the new comic line last
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  Speaker 1: week with what was the comic line with Kevin Scott
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  Speaker 1: and Greg Patt.
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  Speaker 3: Oh ye, yeah, the paper Cuts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw that one. So maybe they're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Marvels a little expensive, so we need to kind of
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  Speaker 1: branch out in other directions and maybe not have an
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  Speaker 1: ongoing but just have many runs.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, But Katie kay I told you before we
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  Speaker 2: started recording, I liked this story a lot more than
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  Speaker 2: I thought I.
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  Speaker 3: Was going to.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, which makes me happy.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to.
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  Speaker 2: Romanticy because technically that's what this is in some.
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  Speaker 3: Form or fashion correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was introduced to the genre from Abby.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, uh there, it was.
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  Speaker 2: Like it was weird because it was also like religious
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  Speaker 2: romance to see, which is was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very odd.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have to talk about this now, but I
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  Speaker 1: just had to ask.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll answer it when we're when we're off the
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  Speaker 2: when we're on are But but romance as a genre,
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  Speaker 2: not just romanticy, but romance was was kind of introduced
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  Speaker 2: by Abby for me, and you know, me being the
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  Speaker 2: guy that I was back then, I was like romance,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like this and blah blah blah. And
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  Speaker 2: I slowly started to be like, holy crap, this is
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: actually a really good genre. And you know, I've you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: kind of dabbled my toes into a lot of different things.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: When it comes to romance and romanticy.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: This one, I didn't know what I was really expecting because,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: like I said, I thought this was a high republic
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: book just like that. I don't know why I thought that,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: but I just saw the cover. I was like, this
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: looks like a High Republic book. Doesn't have high Republic
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: in the title at all, but that should be my first,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: you know, indicator that it's not High Republic.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: This was published before the High Republic was even a thing.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: It was published August sixth, twenty nineteen.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very true, very true. And so.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: When I started reading it, I was like, Okay, a
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: little bit of a trope long lost friends, and I'll
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: be honest, the idea that these long lost best friends
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: were actually always meant to be together.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I kind of rolled my eyes at. I was like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: this is going to be the most cheesy, sappy.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Writing that I probably will not enjoy whatsoever. And they
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: made it very compelling. I like Izzy's character because she,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: for one, they kind of make you.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: They flip the rolls.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: And they do it on purpose when they are young.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: In the beginning of the book, they run off planet
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: with her with Izzy and her parents, and Izzy is
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: so sad and she's crying and she's.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Like, Dad, Dad, no, no, no, no, we gotta go back,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: we gotta go back.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And her dad, her dad, is the one that answers her, No,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: we can't go.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: We can't go back. We just have to go.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: So that kind of leads the reader into thinking, what
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: did the dad do? What did the dad do? But
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: as you come to learn, the dad did nothing wrong.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It was the mother who lived this lifestyle of being
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a scoundrel, being a little bit
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of a.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Well, we don't at the very end, we still don't know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it appears that she was a combination bounty hunter
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: and smuggler. At the end of the day, she taught
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: her daughter a lot of survival skills and kind of
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: focused on that as her end.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Goal of teaching in the end stage. But like to
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: your point of switching the roles, I think Cordova does
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: an incredible job with that aspect of flipping your tender
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: ginger norms. We have the girl as the smuggler who
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: who ends up off world and ends up coming back
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: where that would typically be a guy's role, because the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: guy in this situation stays on planet even after talking
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: about how much he wanted to get off world and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like go see the universe kind of thing, and he
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: ends up staying on bat too as a farmer to
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: take care of his family, and so those norms that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we typically see in this girl takes care of her family,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: guy goes off, world comes back kind of situation that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: has changed here we're flipped around, and she does a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: really good job making it, making it very normal. I know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: that's a weird way to say. It's very natural. Natural
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: was the word I was looking for. Thank you. Oh,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I just love the way Cordova writes. Guys, if you
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: haven't read her Incendiary and Illusionary series, it's a duology.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Those I have not read. She did, of course read.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: She wrote it in high republic.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, REPUBLICA two?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which ones were? It wasn't cataclysm, it was convergence, convergence.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I was like, I knew it's a C.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Which one is one of those two? Yeah, she did
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: that one, and then she did the middle grades and
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: face she did to middle grades and face. I think, yep, yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: but yeah, incredible author, really does a fantastic job with it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: And like I'm typically not one who goes and like
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: looks for like perfect writing, but every time I read
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: one of Kordova's writings, Like, typically as you reread something,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you might go, oh, that's a mistake. There or like
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: that doesn't sound super right. I've never found that with
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Kordova is writing at all, like super clean writer, really
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: really good job.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Like I think this is like probably my fifth time
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: rereading this because I loved it so much when it
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: first came out, and.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: It's surprisingly a quick read.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It really is because I procrastinated. So I started this last.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Night, so did I? No no, no, no no. I procrastinated
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: as well. Not gonna lie.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I started this yesterday and then I was like, crap,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: how am I going to get this? And I was like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: let's see if my very tired brain can process two
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: point five speeds on an audiobook? And I got it
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: all and then I was able to finish the last
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: ten chapters at one point six speed.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So I will tell you Lost Stars is not as
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: quick a reread, so you need to start that tomorrow.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, I have it so like I have it digitally,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: So I I really dug this. I like Isy as
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a character. I like Jewels. I like their motivations or
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: the lack thereof. I like the scenario that they get into.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's a very simple, you know, hiccup of things is
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: he gets into a job that you know, hey, ask
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: no questions, get paid, You're good to go, you know,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's a very easy mix.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Up of bags, very classic trope, but it works, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I really really like it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I like how the farm boy.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Ignorance is bliss type of character that Jeles is for
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: when Izzy comes around, because he kind of calls her
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: out on her bullshit a whole lot when it comes
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: to her putting up her guards and not trusting anybody,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: and so she lies a lot, and I thought that
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: was a very interesting point in the book.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of lying on every side, but there.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Comes a point where I think Izzy is the first
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to say it. She is quoting her mother and saying
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: lying is a skill. And that comes back later on
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: in the book basically as code for Jewls to basically
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: tell i Isy that hey, I'm just playing their game.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: We'll figure this out later. So yeah, I I like
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: all of that. I really really do the like romance
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: side of it. Excuse me, I think it didn't get
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: too like like it was. It was nothing compared to that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Very ya friendly, like very tame, very very thing nowadays
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: where it's like hya, but there's sex in it. There's
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: no sex in this. I would consider this like true ya,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: this is this is true young adult.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: But even so this is like just flirtatious because even
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: when like I I kind of thought like, oh, they're
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: gonna go all the way deep and like you're gonna
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: see like plans of a future and like a proposal
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: and things like that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Like no, like at the end of this, there's still
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: just like friends and dating, you know.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's there's no real thing, like they both
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: have the idea of like I love this person, yep, right,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: but there's never anything that's like, oh, we're gonna, you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: stop what we're doing and we're gonna make a family
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna plant our roots here and all this
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: other stuff.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Very much like we want to go explore the world
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the universe together.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: That's it basically.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the fact that this is a tame romance
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't detract me from it in the slightest, Like it
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: makes it super fun and it reminds.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: You of the idealistic like young loves sort of thing
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: because you look at it and it's like, Okay, they
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: were six years old when Izzy and her family left
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: and she's returning thirteen years later, so they're only nineteen
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: years old in this so very.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Much young love situation. Cordova just is incredible with I
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: have said that already, but like I love how she
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: includes certain tropes like and it's again that reversal of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: norms because like on page two fifty eight, m Jule says,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: my eyes are up here Garcia, like yeah, but that's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: typically the girl's life. And I just gaggled, like.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Super fun is when they're going swimming right yeah yeah.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And then only a couple only a couple pages later,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like I have it like dual marked because I marked
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: everything in red that I wanted to like highlight on
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the podcast. But like he talks like she's so very
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: much like but like what happens tomorrow?
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Like what if?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: What if you decide in two weeks and we're flying
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: together and you hate my guts and now you want
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to come back to my too, Like what happens then?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And he just tells her like I want you because
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you're everything. You are the reason I can find bravery
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: when I don't want to be brave. I just like, oh, like, oh.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: How did you feel about the little bit of mystery
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that we had in here, And I say mystery as
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: far as like uh Doc, Doc was uh somebody that
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: of course Jules knew, and he had gone missing, but
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: they had they kept going at it like, oh, this
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: feels weird, something feels weird about this.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Where is he? Where? Why hasn't he been here yet?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Hey, he's been gone like a really long time, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: they kept going at it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: So how did you feel about.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Like a good chunk of like the end of the beginning,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: like I want to say, the end of the first act,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: up until like middle of the second act, we kind
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: of have that mystery and we finally find him.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: How did you feel about all that? Did that detract
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: from the story at all? You feel like? Or did
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: it fit pretty well?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I felt like it fit pretty well. What did you think?
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Because to me, I'm like, Okay, this is helping them
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: rebond and kind of thing because it's delaying her, so
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: gave it. It gave the story a reason for Izzy
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to be delayed and not just like get what Doc
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: can come back. Yeah, I felt like it's fit.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: At first, I was kind of feeling like, oh, this
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: is literally only to get us from point A to
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: point B.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: And when I.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Started to see more of the conversations that Izzy and
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Jewels were having with the topic of Doc, it got
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: to a point where it's like, Okay.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Izzy is seeing how Jewles.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Works, what he's been up to for this entire time,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: kind of sees what kind of person he is when
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: it comes to like, oh, well, Doc doesn't do anything
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: out of the ordinary, He never does anything out of schedule.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: He doesn't leave anything out of place, you know, being
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: real like attention to detail type of person both Doc
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and Jewels at this point. And this also does introduce
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: us to uh is it Tap or Tip? I can't
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: remember Tap. The relationship between Jules and Tap is also.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Seen by Izzy through this interaction. Yep.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And I also think that that helps us for later
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: on when the third act finally starts to really ramp
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: up and getting to the climax of the story. Tap
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: is a very important part of that, and so I
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: think this also helps that part.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: So I enjoyed that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And what did you feel, because, like you said, Tap
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: is making appearances throughout he's kind of helping Doc. But
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: at the end, Bolt tells us, oh, like I know
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you care about this kid talking to Jules, I know
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: you care about this kid because your dad pulled him
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: out of the fire as like one of his last
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: acts alive basically, And you find that out. You find
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: that out at the very end, and I had forgotten
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: about that, and I'm like, yeah, because there's.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: There's this conversation when both Jewls and Izzy are like
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: doing that very stupid like, oh, I'm gonna tell you
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: some very hateful things so that way you don't get hurt,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and you just away from each other, Like I usually
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: roll my eyes in every book or movie or TV
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: show where the love.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Interests do that to each other.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is just like stupid because I know
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that y'all are just gonna run back to each other's arms.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: This is just a waste of time.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: But when they're doing that, that's when you learn about
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Jewels father and what he did for a living. And
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: when you learn that about Tap, it does put on
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: a little bit more weight because, like you said, he
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: does have like this sense of responsibility, this sense of like, yeah,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: being the the the father figure yep to Tap, and
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Andrew is here in the chat hello, hello.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Hello, and.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that each part of this story
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: was very meticulously brought about to not be just like, oh,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: we're gonna throw this in here just to.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Be filler, right, because like even even the moment of like,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: is he needs to get this satchel, But that's Doc's office.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Nobody goes in there. Every single Hondo's office, excuse me,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Hondo's office. Everything that goes in there stays in there,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and once it goes in, it never comes out. I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: love this part because first they're trying to are you
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: on who should do it and who shouldn't, and then
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: finally Izzy starts to get in there, and then Izzy,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: not really knowing what she's doing it, also has this
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: moment of like, God, damn it, he was right because
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: she gets in there and it's on the highest of
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: all shelves, and she's like, oh, Jules wouldn't even have
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to jump to get that. He could just reach for
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it and get it. Okay, let me go climb on
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: this and see if I can grab it. But like
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I say, all that to who we eventually meet is Delta.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: This one moment, this seemingly like kind of comedic relief
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: moment in this very tense situation, actually leads us to
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: a character that is going to help our main characters
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: throughout the rest of the story. Like, I really how
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Cordova really structured this story from beginning to end.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you said, there's just there's some points
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: of levity, but they all come back to tell you
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: together at the end and it just really works out
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: very nicely. What did you think about DeMar Is he's
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: X in this.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Book, Dumar? I feel like needed a little more character
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: build up.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Because yes, he's the stummy ex boyfriend, that's kind of the.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Easiest thing you can label him as.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: And then he just becomes like the main villain all
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: of the sudden, there's nothing really there. But then he
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: isn't the main villain because it's actually this other girl
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: who Damar actually you know, chose besides Izzy, right.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Her name is.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: What is her name? Yes, Anna Anatola? Yeah, yes, Anatola.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: She is like the real villain. And I think with Damar,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: like you do, at one point, just finally realize, oh,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: he's just being a good little boy, listening to every
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: order that's taken right or that's given to him.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: He doesn't really have he He's probably.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: The guy that doesn't really have an original thought in
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: his mind, you know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Especially you get that especially when he tries to play
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: like the cool, suave.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Guy when he first meets with Izzy and Jewels outside
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: of Doc's place, and and that's when is he actually
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: shot at his feet?
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: You know. But like I I wanted more from him.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I think I needed a little bit more depth with
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: him to really feel like when they finally leave, or
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: like when when they finally.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Like win quote unquote against Anatola and Damar and the
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: old crew, that like it would be worth it, right
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: because even when you look at that whole conflict, there
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: isn't like a huge fight. There isn't like a battle
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: to win or anything else. It's really, hey, let's stop
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: this objective and that's really all they do.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: And I think that's more so the nature of it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Being a young adult novel and not an adult novel.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I think there would have been a little bit more
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of a battle or a blaster fight or something, but
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: it is what it is. But I do think that
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: he needed a little bit more characterization.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: On Atola.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: You can just kind of hear the poison in her
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: lines a lot when she was talking to Izzy, and
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: you're like Oh you're a mean girl.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a mean girl.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I know who you are already, you know.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: And then of course when you learn at the very
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: end what she's wanting to do, like, and I think
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like it for me is the fact that,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: like I probably needed another five.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Chapters to kind of learn Anatola's real motivations, like whose
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: orders does she get this from? And like where does
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: this really come from?
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: So it was a job that she got hired for, Yeah,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I know that, but there wasn't really any there.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I know that in the inn, it wasn't really super
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: important to the story. Otherwise I do think Cordova would
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: have gone in depth for it because she wanted to
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: keep the focus on. Of course, is he in Jew
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and they're just going to stop the people that are
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: trying to do this.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: That's totally fine. I understand that.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: But I think for me personally, because I'm the type
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: of person that when I'm reading these stories, I do
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: want to get inside the head of every character. Yeah,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and you know, we got really really spoiled with the
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: High Republic, with getting to getting to be with the
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Nihill for five years.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: And knowing what they want when they want.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: It if they're going to take a detour on that mission,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: what have you, and all of this other stuff, and
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: with Anna Damar and this crew, like I was just like, okay,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: they're just there to cause trouble, and then it escalates
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: super quickly to hey, we're gonna destroy crops and the planet,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, And so that's the only thing for
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: me that makes it feel a little rushed. But again,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: when you sit down and notice the hyper fixation and
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: focus on Jules and Izzy, that little hiccup of plot
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: device doesn't really matter.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you said, I think I think you're
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: right in that Cordova is just like, Okay, I'm gonna
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: give her mean girl vibes and that's really all the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: characterization you need to know there, Like, because of where
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: this is at, she wanted to focus in on the
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: main characters versus giving you more characterization to a person
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: who's type cast a lot, and she just type cast
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: them and kind of quit with it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this one. This is always a reread
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: for me and it makes me super happy, so easy read.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And my thing is at the very end we
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: get the epilogue, which is I think I think it's.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: The epilogue that this happens.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: But like we see Delta, we see vaults, we see jewels,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: we see Izzy, and then like we see all of
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: this space battle start to happen.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: Above but two. And I believe this.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Is supposed to really show that, like the fight against
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: the First Order is like truly in the thick of it, right, Yeah,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: and it kind of it's really weird because Cordova writes
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: it like we're going to follow these characters somewhere else.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: She left it open for us to have a sequel,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: which I think basically her intuition here was like we
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: could do a sequel to this book, or you just know, Okay,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: they're in the giant shit fight at the end, direct.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: They are in the resistance.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like and so I think that works especially for
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: this era because you have and now people could call
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: it lazy writing, but I think it works when you
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: have the justification for it. There's a bunch of ships there,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: and we don't know half of what those ships are
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: or who is flying them. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: leeway that comes there when you see ships and you
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: don't know where they're from.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: They're gonna eventually make from a certain point of.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: View, The Rise of Skywalker.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: The Rise are from us point of view.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: And.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I think Cordova should definitely get a story with Izzie
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: and Jules. Yeah, I think that would be fun, That
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: would make fun.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: All right, Clay, Well, I think this is everything.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: That we had.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I know, guys, this is a short review, but honestly,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: this is a fairly easy book, and we didn't really
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: hit a lot of spoilers. We just kind of talked
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: about things and had a lot of fun with it.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a it's a thirty chapter book.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I think digitally it's like four hundred and twenty something pages,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: so very very simple read. I was able to get
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: through it in two days. But yeah, I really really
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: enjoyed it. I'm gonna probably most likely start Lost tonight
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: if got tomorrow. I have the physical book. I was
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: going to start the audiobook later, but I borrowed it
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: from Libby.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I went back and renewed it because I borrowed it too.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Really I did too. It's due in one hour.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And I can't renew the loan because so many people
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: are wanting to read it.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: That sucks.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: So I can't currently renew it.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: And guys, this book if you do not currently have
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: a copy on Audible or libro FM. I think it
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: is what the other audio one is. It is currently
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: not licensed anywhere other than libraries that and I have
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: found for an audio copy. Like I can't even access
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: my copy that I had on Audible. That's crazy right now,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Like it's not showing up on my Audible at all.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: And I know I own all of the Star Wars novels,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: so I got it from the library. But you can
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: find it in a library there or ebook or hard
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: copy books. I have the hard copy, and I think
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I also have the digital copy.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Very nice.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is, what it's like, So if you want to,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna actually try.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: So.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: I tried leap uh Libby. I'm gonna try Hoopla to see.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: The audiobook on Hoopla might save me and being able
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: to read this a little bit faster, So I'll try it. Yeah,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: but I think that is it, guys, excuse me, I
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: am slowly dying over here. Same of course, you can
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: find me at fanboy Clay at any and all social media,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: specifically more Instagram and threads.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Excuse me and.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: If, oh my goodness, if you guys have any kind
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: of interest in Pokemon cards one piece trading cards, you
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: can hang out with me from five am to eleven
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: am Eastern Standard time over on a TikTok channel called
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Kingdom's Breaks. That is where my job is, where I
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: just open Pokemon cards and I get paid for it
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: on the hour. So come hang out with me. We'll
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: talk about Star Wars, we'll talk about Pokemon, We'll talk
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: about anything.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, Katie, what about you?
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Y'all? You can find me on most social media platforms.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: It's at Slice and Katie. I don't hang out on
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: social media a lot anymore. I do try and stay
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: up to date on everything. Clay sends me a lot
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: of things, Thank you, Clay, But I do a lot
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: of other things now. But I promise I will get
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: back to you as soon as I can. Like I
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: just realized, Clay as we were talking about this, I've
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: never messaged my knock Banner and uh Chris back, Like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: oh no, never messaged them back. They're gonna think that
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: I hate their guts. I don't know. So I'm gonna
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: have to send them a message and hopefully I don't forget,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: but uh yeah, I promise I'll get back to you
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: guys at some point. I promise it may not happen immediately. Uh,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: it's all that's to say. So Yeah, with that, guys,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: I want to wish everyone a great day or night,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: whatever time the day you're listening or watching, and we
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: will see y'all next time. May the Force be with you.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: M