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Christa Pike Survives Execution, Murdered Girl "Erased From Narrative" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Convicted torture killer Krista Pike survives execution. That's right. A
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  Speaker 1: botched death penalty. Meanwhile, the murdered girl, the teen girl, Colleen,
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  Speaker 1: has been erased from the entire narrative. What do you
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  Speaker 1: ever hear about the teen girl that was tortured and
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  Speaker 1: brutally murdered? Her throat slit. What do you ever hear
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  Speaker 1: about the defendant, Keeping a piece of the victim's skull
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  Speaker 1: as a souvenir of murder and showing it off to
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  Speaker 1: her friends? Nothing. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Krista Pike, Tennessee death row inmate, convicted in the 1995
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  Speaker 2: murder of her classmate, Colleen Slimmer. After a failed lethal
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  Speaker 2: injection execution, Pike survives, but remains unconscious and on a ventilator.
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  Speaker 2: She screamed and screamed and screamed.
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  Speaker 3: I just kept hitting her and hitting her and hitting her.
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  Speaker 4: I was just looking at her and watching her bleed.
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  Speaker 4: She rolled up and.
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  Speaker 1: So she got up, tried to run again.
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  Speaker 2: And I cut her back. The big, long cut on
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  Speaker 2: her back.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to hear you talking to me.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's.
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  Speaker 6: Harder to hurt somebody when they're talking to you, and
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  Speaker 6: you have to see who the person is.
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  Speaker 7: And I said, shut up.
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  Speaker 2: What the hell is wrong with me?
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  Speaker 4: What's wrong with her?
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  Speaker 6: What's wrong with everybody? And I still had a box
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  Speaker 6: cutter in my hand.
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  Speaker 4: And I cut across the.
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  Speaker 1: Throat with it. You are hearing Krista Pike in her
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  Speaker 1: own words describing the murder of a teen girl, Colleen.
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  Speaker 1: As Colleen's mother says, in the midst of all of
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  Speaker 1: the botched execution, that's right, Pike survived two years. lethal
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  Speaker 1: doses for the needle death penalty, that somehow her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: the murder victim, has gotten lost in the sauce.
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  Speaker 8: Why is it necessary for you to be there?
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  Speaker 4: Because she killed my daughter, and I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: see another child or another person hurt like she did.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard.
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  Speaker 4: I broke down in tears. She was laying on the table, talking,
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  Speaker 4: still laughing, picking up her head.
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  Speaker 8: Has anyone apologized to you for this?
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  Speaker 7: No, sir.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody apologized. Here we are, 31 years, and you're laughing
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  Speaker 4: in my face again. And that's what I feel like
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  Speaker 4: they did. I want to think about Colleen being there
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  Speaker 4: and saying, thank you, Mom, on her voice. The criminals
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  Speaker 4: get so much attention.
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  Speaker 9: Why?
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  Speaker 4: She has been lost in this. And they lost a
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  Speaker 4: piece of her skull that we still can't find. She's
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  Speaker 4: been forgotten. other than when it's brought up like this.
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  Speaker 10: Think of her and not Krista Pike, because at the
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  Speaker 10: end of the day, it's justice for Colleen and not
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  Speaker 10: justice for Krista.
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  Speaker 1: That from First Coast News and WHAS and WLVT. You
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  Speaker 1: are hearing Colleen's mother describing the pain she has suffered
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  Speaker 1: because any mention of her daughter, the murder victim in
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  Speaker 1: this case, has been lost in the narrative. Joining us now,
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  Speaker 1: special guest, investigative reporter WKRN, Tori Gessner is with us tonight,
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  Speaker 1: who was actually there in the death chamber audience at
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  Speaker 1: the time of the botched needle injection of Krista Pike. Tori,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What happened?
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  Speaker 11: Thanks for having me, Nancy. And I mean, where do
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  Speaker 11: I really begin? The execution was set to start at
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  Speaker 11: 10 a.m.
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  Speaker 12: Local time.
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  Speaker 11: We get word that there's a stay issued in the courts.
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  Speaker 11: So we are waiting inside the prison for hours until
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  Speaker 11: around 6 p.m. We finally get word that this execution
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  Speaker 11: will move forward. We are taken into the witness chamber
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  Speaker 11: when the medical personnel, they are inserting the IV. The
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  Speaker 11: media does not see that part. So the curtains were
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  Speaker 11: closed for almost an hour. And in that time, we
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  Speaker 11: heard A little whimpering and crying, but really nothing much else.
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  Speaker 11: Some tape unfurling and metal clanking on metal, things like that.
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  Speaker 11: When the curtains finally open, we see Krista Pike lying
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  Speaker 11: there with her spiritual advisor by her side. She is talking, singing,
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  Speaker 11: smiling at some points. Then she starts yawning and eventually
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  Speaker 11: going into this snore. And I'm not a medical professional.
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  Speaker 11: A lot of people say it was agonal breathing. That
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  Speaker 11: is not how it sounded to me. It sounded like
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  Speaker 11: a consistent snore. And then the curtains suddenly close and
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  Speaker 11: the media witnesses are confused because she's very much still alive.
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  Speaker 11: So three minutes later, curtains reopen. The whole process gets
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  Speaker 11: underway again, which is incredibly rare. I've never seen that before.
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  Speaker 11: And then the curtains close again and she is still
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  Speaker 11: consistently snoring at this point, nonstop. It really does sound
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  Speaker 11: like she's sleeping, but we are sitting there in that
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  Speaker 11: room behind the curtains for almost an hour, before we
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  Speaker 11: are escorted out.
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  Speaker 1: She was singing, laughing, and talking?
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  Speaker 11: She was in the very beginning, yes, and I've witnessed
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  Speaker 11: a few other executions in Tennessee in the past, and
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  Speaker 11: typically it takes around 20 minutes, and then it kind
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  Speaker 11: of looks like the person is just going to sleep.
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  Speaker 11: This was not the case for Krista Pike. She was
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  Speaker 11: still continuously talking. She's Buddhist, so her spiritual advisor was there.
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  Speaker 11: I'm not sure if they were doing some type of
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  Speaker 11: prayer or something, but she was singing, I love you
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  Speaker 11: so much. I love you too. And smiling, making kind
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  Speaker 11: of a little bit of giddy noises at some points.
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  Speaker 11: But yeah, she was definitely doing that. And it took
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  Speaker 11: a very long time. And now we know that she
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  Speaker 11: is still very much alive.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: So what about all the torture and the arm swelling
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  Speaker 1: up and blistering? If she's singing, laughing and talking, that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like she's being tortured.
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  Speaker 11: Well, and that's the thing. The media doesn't get to
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  Speaker 11: see the Ivy insertion. There's actually a lawsuit in Tennessee
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  Speaker 11: right now. A couple of media organizations are suing to
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  Speaker 11: be able to see the full process so we can,
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  Speaker 11: you know, hold the state accountable in that sense. But I,
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  Speaker 11: you know, can just speak to what I saw that
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  Speaker 11: in the beginning, that's what she was doing. Eventually, she
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  Speaker 11: did enter that snore and didn't come out of it.
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  Speaker 11: And then we walked out of the room.
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  Speaker 1: I hear you.
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  Speaker 5: You were there.
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  Speaker 1: You heard and saw everything there was to hear and see.
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  Speaker 1: And you heard singing, laughing, talking, and snoring. No cries
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  Speaker 1: of pain. Well, with the curtains were closed. What are
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  Speaker 1: we left to believe, Tori?
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  Speaker 11: It was a confusing reaction. When the curtains were closed,
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  Speaker 11: we did hear a little whimpering when the IV was
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  Speaker 11: going in, about twice. It was not a consistent crying
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  Speaker 11: or anything like that. I also witnessed Tony Carruthers execution
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  Speaker 11: in May and he was groaning and that was louder
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  Speaker 11: and lasted a lot longer. Of course, doctors couldn't find
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  Speaker 11: his vein there. So the governor called off that execution.
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  Speaker 11: But in this case, Krista Pike, she yeah, she was
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  Speaker 11: singing and appeared smiley at some points. And also something
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  Speaker 11: interesting to note, her final words, her last statement, she
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  Speaker 11: said that she was planning on going out of this
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  Speaker 11: life in the same way that she's lived it in
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  Speaker 11: love and And she thanked her supporters. She said, this
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  Speaker 11: is a happy day. They can go celebrate her haters.
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  Speaker 11: She wishes them even more love because they need it.
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  Speaker 11: That's what she said. No mention of the victim, Colleen Slemmer,
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  Speaker 11: or her family. And of course, Slemmer's mother is there
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  Speaker 11: watching this all.
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  Speaker 12: Happen, too.
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  Speaker 1: What was the mom's reaction, Tori?
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  Speaker 11: Well, they keep the media witnesses separate from the victim's family.
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  Speaker 11: So we did not see her at all. But I mean,
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  Speaker 11: I can only imagine. This woman traveled from Florida to Tennessee.
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  Speaker 11: She talked about missing a mortgage payment to try to
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  Speaker 11: be able to afford to travel to finally see her
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  Speaker 11: daughter's killer executed. Of course, it didn't go the way
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  Speaker 11: it was planned. There were moments where she lifted her
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  Speaker 11: head and kind of opened her mouth. No sound came out.
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  Speaker 11: That was the only real big movement that we saw.
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  Speaker 11: We also saw her kind of fluttering her feet. I
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  Speaker 11: didn't know if that was because she was giddy or what,
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  Speaker 11: but maybe just uncomfortable. I'm not sure, but she was
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  Speaker 11: fluttering her feet so much that the sheet started falling
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  Speaker 11: and someone did have to pick it up and put
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  Speaker 11: it back over her.
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  Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us with us tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Tori Gessner, investigative reporter at WKRN. Tori, for you, Clarification,
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  Speaker 1: what exactly did you see and hear starting at the beginning?
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  Speaker 11: So after that long waiting period to get, you know,
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  Speaker 11: when we were waiting for the courts to figure everything out,
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  Speaker 11: we were taken into the witness chamber. It's a cinder
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  Speaker 11: block room. There are a couple rows of chairs. It
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  Speaker 11: kind of looks like the movies, if you can imagine
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  Speaker 11: an execution scene, except for the execution part looks nothing
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  Speaker 11: like the movies. It's very, very different. But that's kind
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  Speaker 11: of the scene setting looks just like that on your screen.
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  Speaker 11: And we are waiting there behind the curtains for almost
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  Speaker 11: an hour. In that time, we hear metal on metal clanking,
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  Speaker 11: some tape unraveling. You know, Krista Pike's hands were taped
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  Speaker 11: down to the gurney and we hear two spurts of
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  Speaker 11: whimpering and the curtains finally open. We see Krista Pike
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  Speaker 11: lying there. She's in kind of a yellowish jumpsuit with
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  Speaker 11: a sheet over her, the majority of her body. Her
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  Speaker 11: spiritual advisor is standing by her head, comforting her, I guess,
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  Speaker 11: praying or chanting and singing. And she is yeah, she's
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  Speaker 11: talking throughout this she even looks at one point.
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  Speaker 12: She can't see through the.
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  Speaker 11: Glass It's kind of a mirrored reflective glass, but she
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  Speaker 11: looks straight at the media witnesses or where the media
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  Speaker 11: witnesses were and said, I am wishing you peace and
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  Speaker 11: happiness as well. The people behind the curtains, the people
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  Speaker 11: behind the glass. Of course, she didn't mention Colleen Slemmer,
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  Speaker 11: her victim. But Yeah, it was an interesting experience and
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  Speaker 11: unlike any other execution I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 8: Tori, were there medical personnel physically there adjacent to her
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  Speaker 8: or was it the corrections individuals? Was the physician actually
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  Speaker 8: in the suite with her when this was going down?
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  Speaker 13: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 11: From what we understand with the protocol, yes, a physician
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  Speaker 11: is on site as well as an IV team, but
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  Speaker 11: the media never sees that. What we see is in
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  Speaker 11: the room, there are two men in black suits. We
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  Speaker 11: don't know if they are TDOC employees or medical professionals,
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  Speaker 11: but they never interact or touch the inmate at all.
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  Speaker 11: And then there's a spiritual advisor and the inmate.
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  Speaker 12: That is it.
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  Speaker 11: And I think part of the reason the curtains are
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  Speaker 11: closed when the IV is going in is to protect
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  Speaker 11: the medical personnel and the doctor's identities. Some of those
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  Speaker 11: identities have come out anyway, but we never see medical personnel,
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  Speaker 11: but they are there supposedly on scene.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us an all-star panel. But first I want to
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  Speaker 1: go straight out to feel Keith, the former chief of
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  Speaker 1: police for Knoxville PD was the chief when Krista Pike
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  Speaker 1: brutally slaughtered, tortured and slaughtered Colleen slammer. Okay. Phil, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us chief. Could you just give
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  Speaker 1: everybody a refresher on what happened to teen girl Colleen?
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  Speaker 12: Well, um, on January the 11th, uh, Pike had told
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  Speaker 12: her friends, at least one, if not two or three,
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  Speaker 12: that she intended to kill Colleen. Then on January 12th,
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  Speaker 12: she carried that execution out sometime between 8.15 and 9.30.
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  Speaker 12: It was an incredible crime scene. Colleen was not recognizable,
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  Speaker 12: and this created You know, all kinds of issues, both
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  Speaker 12: immediately at the crime scene and then later on in
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  Speaker 12: trial testimony that May Martinez had to listen to. But
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  Speaker 12: it was a horrific crime scene. She'd been cut across
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  Speaker 12: her throat, her back. I watched the interview between Randy
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  Speaker 12: York and Pike, and it was just incredible. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: you heard the voices, but seeing her show no remorse.
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  Speaker 12: And Chip was no different, the co-conspirator there in that
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  Speaker 12: murder case. He actually fell asleep during the interview. So
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  Speaker 12: there was just no remorse. But the blood, you could
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  Speaker 12: see where there had been a struggle. And it took
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  Speaker 12: Pike and Chip to hold her down, get her back
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  Speaker 12: under control, and continue to torture her. And this went
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  Speaker 12: on for at least 30 minutes, more likely an hour.
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  Speaker 12: When you start looking at the medical examiner's report, it
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  Speaker 12: talks about several blows to the head with that asphalt
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  Speaker 12: that was broken up nearby. But you could see in
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  Speaker 12: the crime scene where the scuffle had taken place and
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  Speaker 12: where there were scrape marks. And the crime scene itself
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  Speaker 12: expanded quite a bit. Pools of blood. And this was
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  Speaker 12: an agonizing death. This wasn't over with. like a typical
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  Speaker 12: gunshot homicide. This prolonged torture was just beyond comprehension that
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  Speaker 12: a human could do that to another human.
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  Speaker 1: Chief, I've got a question. You're describing the torture, okay?
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear how was this child, this teen girl,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, some of that video from our friends
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  Speaker 1: at WBIR, how was she tortured? I know that Pike
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  Speaker 1: beat her with a chunk of asphalt Her neck was slit. And, Chief,
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  Speaker 1: what was the motive? Why pick out Colleen, a little
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  Speaker 1: teen girl?
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  Speaker 12: Well, the motive, according to Pike, and she conjured this up,
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  Speaker 12: is that it was a love triangle. There's been no
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  Speaker 12: evidence to cooperate that statement by Pike. Even Shipp said
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  Speaker 12: there was no relationship. So she just, the baby forced
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  Speaker 12: me murdered Colleen. She told the friend that she just
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  Speaker 12: wanted to be mean. And as I've described her before,
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  Speaker 12: she is pure evil. When she got Colleen to the site,
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  Speaker 12: which was a remote area of the University of Tennessee
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  Speaker 12: Ag campus, she hit her in the head with her knee,
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  Speaker 12: pulled her head down to her knee several times. Once
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  Speaker 12: she was on the ground, she was banging her head
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  Speaker 12: There was a concrete surface. She was banging her head
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  Speaker 12: on that surface. All this time, Colleen was begging to
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  Speaker 12: be let go. She promised that she would not say anything,
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  Speaker 12: that she would walk back to Florida to avoid any
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  Speaker 12: more harm. But that was just the beginning. This went on.
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  Speaker 12: The medical examiner identified at least seven cuts across the neck,
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  Speaker 12: cuts in the back, beating, kicking. And then the fatal
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  Speaker 12: blows came from ship and Pike with the asphalt parts.
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  Speaker 12: And it wasn't just one strike. It was multiple strikes.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, cool.
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  Speaker 12: The crime scene was horrific.
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  Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to take in. Chief, guys,
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  Speaker 1: you were hearing Phil Keith. He was the chief of
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  Speaker 1: police at the time. Colleen was murdered. A teen girl
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  Speaker 1: lured to a spot, a remote spot, then tortured brutally
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  Speaker 1: by Pike and a co-conspirator. both of them beating the girl,
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  Speaker 1: cutting her, slicing her, holding her down as she desperately
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  Speaker 1: tried to get away. All the while, Colleen's mother having
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  Speaker 1: no idea her daughter was being murdered. The scene, one
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  Speaker 1: of the bloodiest scenes that the Knoxville PD have ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: There were pools and pools of blood. And Chief Phil Keith,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it true that Krista Pike, then took a fragment
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  Speaker 1: of Colleen's skull and showed it off to her friends,
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  Speaker 1: laughing and even doing a little jig, dancing around, holding it,
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  Speaker 1: showing off her souvenir, her memento of murdering a little girl.
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  Speaker 12: That's correct. She showed it off to several of her classmates.
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  Speaker 12: We interviewed a number of the classmate's Only a couple
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  Speaker 12: of them actually admitted to seeing the skull segment. But
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  Speaker 12: when in the reconstruction phase of the trial, the skull
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  Speaker 12: piece that was in Pike's possession fit precisely in the
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  Speaker 12: skull fracture of Collie. It was horrific.
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  Speaker 1: And I heard the mother state feel that it was
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  Speaker 1: May Martinez stating that. Even till the very end, Krista
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  Speaker 1: Pike has been on death row, getting three hots and
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  Speaker 1: a cot, for 31 years. Even at the end, she
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  Speaker 1: says Krista Pike was laughing in her face again. She
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  Speaker 1: says that a piece of her daughter's skull was lost
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  Speaker 1: and never recovered. Is that true?
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  Speaker 12: Well, we did recover a big piece of And May
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  Speaker 12: had to struggle to even get that to bring the
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  Speaker 12: closure to the burial of her daughter. And that took
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  Speaker 12: several years, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 14: I was offered a plea deal.
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  Speaker 15: My attorney told me, Krista, they're offering you life without parole.
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  Speaker 15: But if you go to trial, this is the worst
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  Speaker 15: thing they're going to give you because there is no
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  Speaker 15: way a jury can in Knoxville, Tennessee is going to
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  Speaker 15: put a pretty little white girl in the electric chair.
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  Speaker 10: She went in there thinking that justice was going to
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  Speaker 10: get shoved. And of course, Chrisette Pike didn't make it,
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  Speaker 10: didn't die. You had 31 years to do this. You
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  Speaker 10: had 31 years to make sure you guys got everything
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  Speaker 10: in order for this day to happen. And for that
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  Speaker 10: to stop an hour before, it's just a slap in
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  Speaker 10: the face.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she's absolutely right. 31 years to get it straight
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  Speaker 1: and ruh-roh. That's from Criminally Obsessed on YouTube and our
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  Speaker 1: friends at WVLT. Straight out to Joe Scott Morgan joining us,
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  Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University. He is the star
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  Speaker 1: of Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan on YouTube, but
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  Speaker 1: more important, he is a death investigator with over 10,000
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  Speaker 1: death scenes under his belt. What went wrong? How do
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  Speaker 1: you botch Two lethal injections. Apparently seven needles were brought in.
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  Speaker 1: One was actually bent. What happened, Joe Scott?
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  Speaker 8: It's almost as if they went off the street and said, hey,
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  Speaker 8: you guys want to come in and aid with an execution?
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  Speaker 8: Because I got to tell you, this is one of
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  Speaker 8: the most unprofessional things. Let's get off of, you know,
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  Speaker 8: talking about whether the death penalty is right or wrong.
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  Speaker 8: What's right or wrong is knowing what your job is, Nancy.
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  Speaker 8: And just so people understand this, State of Tennessee has
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  Speaker 8: like a 30-day period where they have to go through
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: certain windows of training to train up in order to
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: do this. So when you add what you had said
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: to the equation about the seven needles, one of them
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: was bent at a 90 degree angle. You've got 30
• 20:22
  Speaker 8: days to get ready to knock the rust off, understand
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: what your job is, and you cannot get it done.
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: And to make matters worse, Nancy, this is in the
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: wake of a previous botched execution back this past spring
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: where they couldn't get another line in. How can you
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: not make this work? How do you not understand it?
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: I don't want to hear all the stuff about, well,
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: she dehydrated herself and yada, yada, yada. Do you realize
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: how many medical professionals have to put in IV lines
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: every single day? And we're talking about older, older people
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: that do in fact have collapsed vessels, yet they get
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: the job done. These needles wound up going into an
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: area that's referred to as like the interstitial tissue. That's
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: that area around the vessels or into the sub-Q fat.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: I'm curious about this jamming of the needle in there
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: so desperately. that it bends at a 90 degree angle.
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: They went down to bone. Are you kidding me? Because
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: when these IVs are set up, Nancy, they go in
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: at a very, very low angle. Any people out there
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: ever had an IV inserted? You know how, it's not
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: like a straight down jab. You're trying to hit the
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: vessel going in at a very shallow angle. How could
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: you screw this up to this point? So yeah, she's complaining.
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: She's complaining about it feels like her arm's going to explode.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: Do you know why? Because the solution that they're pumping
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: into her, the pentobarbital, is going in to that area
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: that is not serviced by vessels. It's kind of swelling
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: in there, sitting in there, and eventually you wind up
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: with what you have right now where she's in a
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: vegetative state because this stuff was essentially absorbed over a
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: period of time. It knocks down your respiratory system, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: also it's going to impact the brain. Did you know
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: pentobarbital is like the number one drug, Nancy, that's used
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: to euthanize dogs? You could have gotten a veterinarian. They
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: would have done a very efficient job here.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: At this hour, is the governor set to commute Pike's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: death sentence? The Tennessee prison commissioner resigns after the botched
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: lethal injection. Pike's room is being heavily guarded by law
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: enforcement at the hospital. Botched executions, two of them in
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Tennessee in the same year, same doctor. What is wrong?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: The sister of the Lastville execution filed a complaint against Dr.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Mark Fowler. Where does this leave the case? And back
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: to you, Joe Scott Morgan, joining us, question number After
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: all of the injections, after a bent needle, Krista Pike
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: is still alive, but in what condition?
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she's alive, if you want to put it that way.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: She's on a vent, and she's now vent-dependent. How are
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: they going to wean her off of this at this
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: point in time? You know, what we still haven't heard
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: is one of the things they do is we do,
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: or the medical community does EEG, where you're looking for
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: brain activity, and there are other tests. that they rely
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: on as well. So this has actually impacted her motor systems, Nancy.
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: She is dependent upon a ventilator to stay alive. Ergo,
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: she is dependent upon the state of Tennessee because they
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: botched this execution. She's dependent upon them to stay alive.
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: So when it comes down to it, and this is
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: a fascinating legal part here, Nancy, Who has the authority
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: to pull the plug on her? What if they say that, well,
• 24:05
  Speaker 8: she's in an unrecoverable flat spin? Because it's my understanding
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: her parents are both dead. She's a ward of the state.
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: Does the state say, yeah, we're going to unplug her?
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: So this is kind of a passive execution, if you will.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: An anesthesiologist retained as a medical expert by Krista Pike's
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: defense says the execution drug phenobarbital used was may have
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: leaked into tissue surrounding her veins, causing significant burns. Quote,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: upon arrival, both her arms were swollen, burned, and blistered.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, interpret.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely. You're not meant to have this agent free-floating
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: in your interstitial area around your muscle tissue. So yeah,
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: that's one of the reasons that she's feeling this burning.
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: She's complaining of it at that point in time. And also, Nancy,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: if you can imagine, she's got this indwelling swelling that
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: is occurring at this point in time through this process.
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: The body is trying to ward this off in some way.
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: The body's responding. The pain centers are firing. It's saying,
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: this is not supposed to be here. That's why you
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: hear her. At least they're saying you hear her complaining
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: about this. And then she goes into the labor breathing,
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: which means she slips off into a coma and or
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: an uncautious state, which you kind of expect, but it
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: took longer than normal. And then because of where they
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: applied this agent, Nancy, and it's free floating in there,
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: you don't get that pop that you get with an
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: actual intravenous injection. Now it has to slowly absorb now.
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: And the body is also trying to metabolize this crap
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: out of her body as well. So what you have
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: left is someone in a vegetative state.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Joining us now, renowned defense attorney, founder of law offices
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of Eric Faddis. Faddis is with us tonight. Eric, now
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: we are understanding that the death penalty may be vacated.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Under the law, what should happen now? Not what you
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: in your dream world think should happen, but under the law.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Sure. So I think what we're going to see, Nancy,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: are a number of filings from the defense, including A
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: competency motion, you know, in order for the government to
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: execute somebody, we don't execute developmentally disabled folks, for example.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: You've got to be.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Constitutionally competent in order to be executed. And so I
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: think they're going to file a motion under that sort
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: of theory to try to prevent this. In addition to that,
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: there's going to be a new as applied Eighth Amendment
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: cruel unusual punishment motion coming down the pike. No question
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: about that. Further, could there be civil liabilities? on behalf
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: of Tennessee government officials for this botched execution. So, so
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: many legal issues swirling around this new development in this case.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: To Dr. Janie Lacey joining us, licensed psychotherapist, CEO, Life
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Counseling Solutions, author of How to Heal from a Toxic Relationship,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: and she's the star of Let's Talk About It with
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Janie Lacey.
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: Dr.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Janie, thank you for being with us. What does this
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: do to Colleen, the victim's family?
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: You know, she's in the hospital, the state's investigating it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: So it puts the family right back into limbo. And
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: what I think about when I think about this family, Nancy,
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: is this is what I would say to them is
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: to not let this. their healing depend on what's happening
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: with the state. And I say that with great tenderness
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: because this family was promised an ending and it didn't
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: get one. Her granddaughter, from what I understand, says that
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: May went days without eating. And this is to me
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: is the bodies in shock. So the first thing they
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: need has nothing to do with the courts, in my opinion.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: They need people around them. They need food. They need sleep.
• 27:56
  Speaker 7: And somebody who will just sit with them And then
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: the second thing I think is harder. For three decades,
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: closure has been something that was going to be handed
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: to them by someone else. And what I've learned in
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: my office and in my own family is that closure
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: almost never arrives from the outside. A verdict doesn't bring it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: A sentence doesn't bring it. It comes from deciding how
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: you're going to carry the person you lost. So they
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: can keep fighting for justice, but start living again. They
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: don't have to wait for one or the other. I mean,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: Colleen was a girl who volunteered with Special Olympics, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: that's who they get to keep Nancy.
• 28:33
  Speaker 16: I'm highly disappointed, along with Tennesseans, about what happened. Therefore,
• 28:39
  Speaker 16: the last scheduled execution for this year will not take place.
• 28:43
  Speaker 16: Tennesseans deserve a justice system that's fair, that's consistent, that is...
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: faithfully administer. This is a tragedy. There is no one
• 28:58
  Speaker 16: that wanted what happened last night to happen.
• 29:06
  Speaker 14: It shouldn't have happened.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: What exactly did you do? And she said, whatever he
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: told you I did. And I said, well, he told
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: me you cut the girl's throat and the girl died.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: And she said, that's true. And you're the one that
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: did it. And she said, yes, mom, I did it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 14: What do you think when you think about the electric chair?
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: I don't really think about that because I don't think
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: I'm ever going to see it. I still have a
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: lot of hope, and I know that I don't deserve
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: to be where I'm at.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: WVLT, Fox, and Filmrise True Crime. After 31 years following
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the murder of a teen girl, Colleen Slimmer, how did
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: the execution, needle injection, how did it go wrong?
• 29:54
  Speaker 12: Law enforcement did their job, did a good investigation, gathered facts.
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: The prosecutor did their job. The judges did their job,
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: although at times seems perplexing. And then when it gets
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: time to carry out the execution, it's botched. Just the
• 30:13
  Speaker 12: hysteria that will go on now when the state legislature
• 30:16
  Speaker 12: reconvenes in January, that you've had two consecutive botched executions
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: administered by the same doctor. There needs to be consequences
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: for this.
• 30:29
  Speaker 17: They went through two rounds, and she was still breathing
• 30:31
  Speaker 17: at the end. It was very ragged. She lifted her
• 30:34
  Speaker 17: head up and was looking around at one point. She
• 30:37
  Speaker 17: said that there was a spot that was burning and
• 30:43
  Speaker 17: hurting and asked if that was normal.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: WVLT and WBIR, while no one advocates torturing a defendant,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: even a defendant that tortured someone else, a teen girl,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: even a defendant, that slit her throat, that carved her body,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that beat her in the head with asphalt. Still, under
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: our jurisprudence, no defendant or suspect is to ever be tortured.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: That is not part of our jurisprudence. But seemingly, that
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is what happened to Krista Pike. No matter if you
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: believe she should or should not get the death penalty,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: torture is not an aspect of justice. The death penalty
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: to Phil Keith, she reportedly requested hanging, but got the needle.
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: Well, she knew that wasn't an option. It was legally
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: on the table. So that's just more of the drama
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: that Pikes played for 31 years.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: And sadly, this is not the first time an execution
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: has been botched in the same jurisdiction in the same year.
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: The Tennessee Department of Correction botched an attempted execution of
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: our client, Tony Carruthers. They subjected him to over an
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: hour and a half of torture. As incompetent medical personnel
• 32:10
  Speaker 9: attempted to place an IV line, they poked and poked
• 32:14
  Speaker 9: and poked him more than a dozen times in his arms,
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: his hands, his feet, and his chest.
• 32:21
  Speaker 13: Dr. Fowler is getting ready to try to insert the
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: central line in Tony's chest. He gets his scalpel, and
• 32:29
  Speaker 13: he starts pressing. And he says, can you feel that?
• 32:33
  Speaker 13: And Tony says, it hurts, it hurts. And the doctor says,
• 32:38
  Speaker 13: it's just pressure. And he cuts him. And y'all that
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: were out there heard the moaning and the groaning. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: I saw the blood and the puncture wound. And he
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: couldn't get it in.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: That from WZTV to Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator. There
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: is nothing pretty about the death penalty, nor is there
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: anything pretty about murdering a teen girl. But you'd think
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: after the botched execution of Tony Carruthers, they'd get it right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you would think so. And keep in mind, back
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: in 2025, you know, South Carolina had a botched one
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: with a firing squad their first time out. They actually
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: missed the heart. We had trouble here in Alabama relative
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: to nitrogen execution methodologies the first time out of the box.
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: And the problem is, Nancy, is that there is no
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: defined system in which this works because this thing gets repeated, rinse, wash, repeat,
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: relative to cruel and unusual. Then you couple that with, well,
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: as the attorney mentioned just a moment ago in the clip, incompetency.
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: Absolute incompetency. This is one of the basic level things
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: that people learn in medicine when they're being taught how
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: to insert an IV. Nursing students do this every day.
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: We've got them here at Jack State that are learning
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: how to insert a central line or an IV line
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: into the arm or the back of the hand. This
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: is really basic stuff. And they're incapable of doing this.
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: This is your delivery method, Nancy. Just think about it
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: if it was a guillotine. Are you going to have
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: a blade that has a blunted edge on it? Are
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: you going to have a firing squad that's merely shooting blanks? No,
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: you're not. This is the delivery method. This is what
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: the state has chosen. This is what they're saying is,
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: in fact, the best. And this thing has turned into
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: a total train wreck. And let me throw out one
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: more thing, if you like that. For everybody that is
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: pro-capital punishment, I'm not making judgments either way. But if
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: you want to see the death penalty in America die,
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: keep on having a couple of these along the way,
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: and it will be totally eradicated because it goes to
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: this idea that you guys in the law always talk about,
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: and that's cruel and unusual.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Joining us right now is a special guest from DailyMail.com,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Lisa Kennedy, who wrote an amazing article for the Daily Mail.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: You can find it at DailyMail.com. Kennedy, thank you for
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: being with us. The banner of your article caught my
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: eye immediately. It says, Hell isn't torture enough for Pike
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: after the satanic ritual she performed on a teen girl.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Explain your thinking.
• 35:33
  Speaker 14: I just want to make it very clear to people.
• 35:35
  Speaker 14: People like me who are opposed to the death penalty
• 35:38
  Speaker 14: for political and moral reasons, we are not squishy. We
• 35:42
  Speaker 14: are not soft. We understand the gravity of this crime
• 35:47
  Speaker 14: and how horrific and heinous it is. And we don't
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: want people to forget the name Colleen Slimmer because of
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: the botched execution. People will always remember Krista Pike, which
• 35:58
  Speaker 14: is very unfortunate. but we don't want them to lose
• 36:02
  Speaker 14: sight of the horrificness of this crime. And I also
• 36:06
  Speaker 14: believe that hell is awaiting her. And in some ways,
• 36:11
  Speaker 14: the death penalty, even though it's been 30 years, it's
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: the easy way out for someone like Krista Pike because
• 36:18
  Speaker 14: it allows her to get so much more attention and
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: specials and documentaries. And there's so much ink spilled in
• 36:27
  Speaker 14: addition to the blood and that she spilled, that it
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: leads to the injustice. And I feel for her mother.
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: I understand, you know, no one can understand what her
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: mother has gone through, but I can only imagine wanting
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: to hasten this woman's journey into hell. And that is
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: the only person's opinion we should consider when we're talking
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: about the death penalty. It should not be vengeance for
• 36:59
  Speaker 14: the rest of us. This is not the Roman Colosseum.
• 37:05
  Speaker 14: And if Krista Pike could toil in obscurity, even as
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: a vegetable for the rest of her life, that would
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: be a better process for us as a society. And
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: I know I don't hold a popular opinion. I get that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: But sometimes you have to hold steady to your beliefs
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: as lonely as they might be.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Kennedy, I respect you. I read all your articles. I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: love watching you on Fox. I love Kennedy Saves the World.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: But the question I asked was, what about the murder
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: of Colleen Slimmer made you put in that article I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: read on DailyMail.com?
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Hell is not torture enough. That's what I asked before
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you began telling me what's wrong with the death penalty. Okay. Yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: But that was, that was the base of the article.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Hell is not torture enough.
• 38:13
  Speaker 14: Because the hatred I feel for this woman is difficult
• 38:20
  Speaker 14: to express in words. And I am a believer and
• 38:24
  Speaker 14: I very strongly believe that the appropriate pain and reckoning
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: will be metered out to her in the afterlife.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Was it the part when you wrote Slimmer begged Krista
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Pike and her boyfriend to let her live that they
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: were armed with a box cutter and a meat cleaver?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: A meat cleaver that Krista Pike used to slash... The girl,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the teen girl, Colleen, in the back, it sounds like
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: a horror movie, not a funny horror movie, but a
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: true horror movie where the victim tries to run for
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: their life and the devil slashes them in the back
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: with a meat cleaver. You wrote about that in your article,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: but somehow today you're anti-death penalty. Was that one of
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the facts?
• 39:24
  Speaker 14: Nancy, all of this is taken into account and I
• 39:29
  Speaker 14: was was against the death penalty before I read about
• 39:32
  Speaker 14: this case. I was against the death penalty before I
• 39:34
  Speaker 14: wrote about it for Daily Mail. I was against it
• 39:37
  Speaker 14: before I talked about it on Outnumbered and on Gutfeld.
• 39:43
  Speaker 14: And the facts of this case will not automatically make
• 39:48
  Speaker 14: me go, oh, yeah, well, we should tear Krista Pike
• 39:52
  Speaker 14: limb from limb and watch her suffer slowly.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I don't advocate that. But again, you brought up facts
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: in your article that made you state hell isn't torture enough.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm assuming one of those is Krista Pike chasing
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: her teen victim with a meat cleaver.
• 40:11
  Speaker 14: Yeah, these are very, it is a very brutal, vicious murder.
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: It is something that makes you realize that they are
• 40:17
  Speaker 14: human beings who walk this earth, who are truly evil
• 40:20
  Speaker 14: and incapable of being rehabilitated. And I don't think that's
• 40:27
  Speaker 14: a point with someone like Krista Pike. I think that,
• 40:29
  Speaker 14: you know, it's like, I was talking to Glenn Jacobs,
• 40:32
  Speaker 14: who is the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee, where this
• 40:36
  Speaker 14: murder happened. And, you know, he agreed with me that
• 40:40
  Speaker 14: for people like Krista Pike, instead of glowing documentaries and
• 40:46
  Speaker 14: pieces about them from these pro-murder activists, maybe we should
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: reinstate hard labor.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You mentioned in your article that a pentagram was carved
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: into Colleen's skin as part of the torture before her
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: throat was sliced. Yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: Her forehead and her chest.
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  Speaker 1: While she was still alive, a satanic pentagram was carved
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: into her skin, not once, but twice. What is your understanding, Kennedy,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: as to what happened during the botched lethal injection?
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  Speaker 14: I think she did what Tony Carruthers did a few
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: months before her in Tennessee and where they only administer pentobarbital,
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: I think she starved herself and she dehydrated herself to
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: collapse her veins because the Tony Carruthers, they couldn't even
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: find a central line. They could not insert a central
• 41:58
  Speaker 14: line rather to administer the drug. So they just called
• 42:03
  Speaker 14: off the execution entirely. And so I think the same
• 42:06
  Speaker 14: thing happened with her And her lawyers had talked about
• 42:10
  Speaker 14: that in a pre-execution hearing that for some reason she
• 42:16
  Speaker 14: had so many problems with her veins that they would
• 42:18
  Speaker 14: have a hard time finding one. At one point she
• 42:22
  Speaker 14: asked if she could be hanged instead of given the
• 42:25
  Speaker 14: lethal injection. Obviously the lethal injection protocol is flawed. And,
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: you know, this is one of the reasons I'm against
• 42:35
  Speaker 14: the death penalty is because, uh, you can find no
• 42:39
  Speaker 14: more concentration of incompetence than in the government.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Well, with that, tonight, I agree with Lisa Kennedy. Kennedy,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. And again, everyone,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: let me direct you to her article in the Daily Mail. Quote,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Hell isn't torture enough for Krista Pike. Read every sickening
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: detail of her hour-long satanic slaughter. And then she finishes with,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: but here's why she still shouldn't be executed. Not only that,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: you can see her on Fox and she's the host
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: of Kennedy Saves the World. Tori Gessner, WKRN. What now?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: We understand the death penalty may be vacated. People are resigning.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: There may be a moratorium on the death penalty in
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: that jurisdiction. What's happening?
• 43:31
  Speaker 11: Lots of developments, Nancy. The governor initially paused all executions
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: for the rest of the year. There was just one
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: set for December. That's also the end of his term.
• 43:39
  Speaker 11: The TDoc commissioner has resigned. He resigned over the weekend,
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: stepped down from his position. Of course, he was hired
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: to fix all of Tennessee's execution issues, and we see
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: how that turned out. Also, a former U.S. attorney, Ed Stanton,
• 43:56
  Speaker 11: is now leading a third-party investigation into into exactly what happened.
• 44:01
  Speaker 11: That could take a very long time before we get
• 44:03
  Speaker 11: any answers though. And then as far as we know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: Krista Pike is still unconscious on a ventilator in the
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: hospital receiving life-saving care.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. And we remember an American hero,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: police officer Dallas Hinton, Thomasville PD, Alabama, just 25, killed
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: in the line of duty after two years on the force,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: leaving behind his fiancee, Brandy. American hero, Officer Dallas Hinton.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: being with us tonight. Nancy Grace signing off for tonight,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.