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Lori Vallow’s New Hubby Clairvoyant? PREDICTS WIFE TAMMY’S DEATH...then she dies · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Jj Valo and Tylie Ryan are dead. We may have
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Speaker 1: thought so all along, but now we know. We know
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Speaker 1: that their remains were destroyed and buried in the backyard
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Speaker 1: of cult mom Laurie Valo's new husband's home. What now
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us right now is
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Speaker 1: a very special guest. It is Julie Row. Julie is
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Speaker 1: a former friend of cult leader Chad Day Bell. She
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Speaker 1: is a current friend of his deceased wife, Tammy Day Belle,
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Speaker 1: the author and founder of the Greater Tomorrow Relief Fund,
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Speaker 1: and that relief fund helps create safe houses for human
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Speaker 1: trafficking victims. To be applauded, I may add, Julie Rowe,
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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to talk to you because you are
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Speaker 1: such a dear friend of Tammy Day Belle, now dead
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Speaker 1: to this world anyway, and a former friend of Chad
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Speaker 1: Day Bell. Let's just start at the beginning, Julie Row.
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Speaker 1: In the process of Chad Day Bell publishing many of
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Speaker 1: your books, you become friends with Tammy Day Belle and
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Speaker 1: Chad Day Bell. Is it true that Chad Day Belle
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Speaker 1: predicted Tammy's death? Yes, about three years before she died.
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Speaker 1: He came to me I was told at the end
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Speaker 1: of June of twenty fifteen that Tammy was that her
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Speaker 1: plan was that she'd passed through the side of the
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Speaker 1: vale within five years or so. I never said anything
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Speaker 1: to chat about this. And then about three years before
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Speaker 1: she died, he came to me and said he'd had
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Speaker 1: a vision that she had passed away and he thought
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Speaker 1: she was going to die in a car accident. He
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Speaker 1: described a scene in a minute. When was that? That
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Speaker 1: was in two thousand and seventeen. Did Chad Daybill at
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Speaker 1: that time have a life insurance policy on Tammy day Bill?
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Speaker 1: He told me at that time he had about three
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand. He didn't tell me that right away. He
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Speaker 1: told me that probably three months later in the summer
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Speaker 1: of two seventeen, and then he told me that again
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Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty eighteen. In twenty seventeen, when
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell tells you he thinks Tammy Daville, his wife,
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Speaker 1: is going to die in the car crash, he already
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Speaker 1: had about three hundred grand life insurance policy on her,
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Speaker 1: did he at that time in twenty seventeen, No, Lori Valle, not,
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Speaker 1: to my knowledge, I never heard of him knowing Laurie
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Speaker 1: until October of two eighteen. In fact, I warned Chad
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Speaker 1: about Laurie. I warned him about all of the whole
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Speaker 1: situation because of what I saw coming. What did you
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Speaker 1: tell him? I talked to him in October and December
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Speaker 1: and in January and February. Because I'm visionary, I can
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Speaker 1: sometimes see when people are texting or emailing or having
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Speaker 1: phone conversations, and I basically told him I could see
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Speaker 1: what he was doing, and I wasn't okay with him
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Speaker 1: having conversations with different women. So the last time I
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Speaker 1: saw Tammy was the summer of twenty eighteen. I used
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Speaker 1: to go to their house in Rexburg every month or
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Speaker 1: two and stop in and see Chat and Tammy and
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Speaker 1: the kids, or sometimes just Chad and Tammy. And I
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Speaker 1: saw her that summer, and then I came back to
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Speaker 1: Rexburg to do some work and wanted to stop by.
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Speaker 1: I think it was September of twenty eighteen, and Chad
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Speaker 1: told me not to. That Tammy had been off of
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Speaker 1: her antidepressant medications. She was irritable, and his words were
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Speaker 1: that she was struggling with jealousy and it would be
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Speaker 1: best if I didn't come over Tammy day Belle was
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Speaker 1: struggling with jealousy Huen as early as September of eighteen.
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Speaker 1: Is the first time I remember him telling me that
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Speaker 1: he told me not to come over, and I honored that.
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Speaker 1: I never talked to Tammy about it because I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to get involved in their marriage issues. When was
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Speaker 1: the last time he spoke to Tammy Daville the summer
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Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen. We just talked about, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: what was going on with their kids and their family.
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Speaker 1: They we went out and looked at their ducks and there,
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Speaker 1: you know, the improvements they'd made on their property. Actually,
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Speaker 1: the last time I saw her, she was sitting on
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Speaker 1: a love seat with Chad and they you know, he
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Speaker 1: had his heart, his hand on her leg and his
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Speaker 1: arm around her or they were holding hands the whole time,
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Speaker 1: and I was sitting opposite them on another couch. We
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Speaker 1: talked for about an hour and then they asked me
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Speaker 1: if I wanted to go to Dairy Queen, and they
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Speaker 1: treated me to Dairy Queen and we went, all three
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Speaker 1: of us, which we had never done just the three
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Speaker 1: of us before. Usually we got to dinner and get
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Speaker 1: pizza with the kids. Or something which we didn't do
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Speaker 1: a lot. We probably did that four times. One time
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Speaker 1: and my husband and my kids when we went to
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Speaker 1: Utah and they were still living Utah, we went out
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Speaker 1: to dinner and you know, things like that. What was
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Speaker 1: her demaanor the last time you saw her? They were
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Speaker 1: affectionate with each other. She actually looked really, really good.
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Speaker 1: This might kind of sound weird, but she looked better
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Speaker 1: than I'd ever seen her in the time that I
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Speaker 1: knew her. She seemed really happy. As far as what
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Speaker 1: was going on in other areas of her life with
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Speaker 1: work and things. What was her work? What was her job?
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Speaker 1: She's working as a local school librarian at the Sugar
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Speaker 1: City Library School Elementary School. She designed all the covers
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Speaker 1: to my books. Let me ask you this. So Chad
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Speaker 1: day Beil predicted his wife's death many many times. Did
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Speaker 1: she Tammy Bail? No, Chad Daboll predicted she would die
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Speaker 1: as of two eighteen. He when I asked him that,
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Speaker 1: he told me he had not told his kids or Tammy.
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Speaker 1: In fact, to my knowledge, as of the summer of eighteen,
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Speaker 1: I was the only person that knew other than another
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Speaker 1: woman in Arizona, that Chad had been texting before he
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Speaker 1: met Laurie. I believe he was having an emotional affair
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Speaker 1: with her. Why do you say that? Why did you
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Speaker 1: disapprove of his ticks to the other woman? What were
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Speaker 1: the nature of the ticks? He believed he had been
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Speaker 1: married to her before, so did she. I heard from
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Speaker 1: Chad's own mouth that her husband had intercepted their text
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Speaker 1: messages and had threatened Chad to go public if he
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Speaker 1: didn't leave his wife alone. Chad never told me what
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Speaker 1: he was texting, but that was enough for me to
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Speaker 1: know that obviously they had some kind of emotional affair
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Speaker 1: going on if the husband wasn't okay with it. Chad's
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Speaker 1: take on it was the guy was just controlling. And
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Speaker 1: I would learn these in sessions because I do energy
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Speaker 1: work with clients and I don't disclose what my clients say.
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Speaker 1: But Chad was not a client. But the reason he
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Speaker 1: would tell me these things is because we'd have phone
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Speaker 1: conversations about book stuff and then he would need to
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Speaker 1: quote unquote clear energy and he I don't know why
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Speaker 1: he would tell me this stuff. You know, you learned
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Speaker 1: from Chad day Bail that he had been texting another
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Speaker 1: woman before he started with Lorie and that the other
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Speaker 1: woman husband just told him to leave his wife alone
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Speaker 1: or he would go public with a text. Right, And
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Speaker 1: I attributed Tammy's jealousy that Chad told me about to
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Speaker 1: whatever was going on with that woman. I didn't know that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that Chad had met Laurie yet. What
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Speaker 1: do you know about the nature of the text between
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bail and Lorie Valley? What were those takes about?
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Speaker 1: I learned that they had corresponded at least as early
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Speaker 1: as October of twenty eighteen, that he had written a
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Speaker 1: list of her family members that she had requested and
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Speaker 1: rated them on a scale with labeling light to dark.
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Speaker 1: There's a scale that he used. He showed me his
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Speaker 1: laptop with several times with lists of people that he
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Speaker 1: had gathered, so I saw those with my own eyes.
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Speaker 1: That was another point of doctrine that we disagreed on.
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Speaker 1: He sent me a list of what he thought were
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Speaker 1: my probations, and he labeled my family members. What's a probation.
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Speaker 1: It's basically a life, a life on earth, or you
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Speaker 1: can have a premortal probation to a spirit life that
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Speaker 1: it's it's basically a life on earth. I never or
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Speaker 1: heard of Christ mentioning any of that. Well, there's some
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Speaker 1: lost records there. Christ actually did teach it. It's a
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Speaker 1: true Gospel doctrine, but Chad's viewpoint is distorted. I knew
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Speaker 1: for at least a year and a half to two
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Speaker 1: years before I had a falling out with him that
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Speaker 1: he was being talked to by deceiving spirits, that he
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Speaker 1: wasn't correct on some of it, And quite honestly, what
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Speaker 1: I saw was some spiritual ego and pride and some
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Speaker 1: lust energy that bothered me time stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: when Chad Daybill would talk about Tammy day Bell dying,
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Speaker 1: what was his demeanor? Initially? He actually was very upset.
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Speaker 1: He was very distraught. He cried to me a couple
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Speaker 1: of different times. At least the reason I think he
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Speaker 1: told me is because I am visionary, and I had
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Speaker 1: never said anything to him at all. I usually keep
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Speaker 1: stuff like that to myself because of agency and respect
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Speaker 1: for people and boundaries. I don't If I see things
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Speaker 1: like that, I don't tell people. But he did come
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Speaker 1: to me and asked me if I'd seen anything, and
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Speaker 1: then he described what he'd been shown and told and
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Speaker 1: I basically said, I don't know, like I haven't seen that,
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Speaker 1: but I was told that Tammy will pass away at
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Speaker 1: some point other than her dying in a car crash.
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Speaker 1: Did he have any other visions about how his wife
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Speaker 1: was going to die? Um? Three weeks before that's the
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Speaker 1: last he told me. Was in UM December of twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 1: And one of the other reasons we had a falling
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Speaker 1: out is I was very disturbed as something he said
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Speaker 1: to me in twenty eighteen. He was frustrated, and he said,
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Speaker 1: I feel like the plants can't move on until the
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Speaker 1: spouses are gone. Julie, could you repeat that very slowly? Place,
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Speaker 1: I feel like my plan can't move on until the
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Speaker 1: spouses are gone. What cannot move on my plan? Like
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Speaker 1: his life plan? My plan? My plan was spouse, says
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Speaker 1: two spouses? He said spouses? And when did he say that?
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Speaker 1: December of twenty eighteen, and then three weeks before Tammy died,
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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with him, which was the first
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Speaker 1: time since March of twenty nineteen when we agreed to
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Speaker 1: just continue publishing my books, and I was prompted by
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Speaker 1: my angels to ask him, do you still see Tammy dying,
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Speaker 1: and he said yes, but I didn't ask how. I
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Speaker 1: remained silent, and then he said, in a frustrated, almost
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Speaker 1: angry voice, very frustrated, I feel like my plan can't
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Speaker 1: move on until until Tammy has died. I'm very curious
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Speaker 1: about his visions about how she was going to die.
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Speaker 1: Also very curious about him crying at one point when
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Speaker 1: he described Tammy Davel his wife dying, because he sure
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Speaker 1: wasn't crying in that photo of him Lorie Valo on
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Speaker 1: the beach in Hawaii, So he got through that grief
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly. Have you spoken to Tammy day Belle's children.
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Speaker 1: The only one I've talked to is Emma day Belle.
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Speaker 1: I was teaching a group energy class in San Diego, California,
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Speaker 1: on the morning that Tammy had passed away, and I
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Speaker 1: received a phone call text message to one of my
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Speaker 1: security team members who is friends with the family as well,
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Speaker 1: and I was notified that Tammy had passed away in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night and that Chad supposedly found
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Speaker 1: her body. At about six am on October nineteenth, I
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Speaker 1: got in my car during my lunch break as soon
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Speaker 1: as I could break for lunch and I called Emma.
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Speaker 1: I was told not to call Chad, but to call Emma.
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Speaker 1: She answered her phone and I talked to her for
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Speaker 1: forty minutes. I basically gave her a forty minute energy session.
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Speaker 1: She was crying, she was in shock, she was upset,
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Speaker 1: and she said that she and her siblings had no
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Speaker 1: idea that their mom was going to die. And she
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Speaker 1: asked me point blank if her dad knew, and if
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Speaker 1: I knew. And I am an honest person, so I
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Speaker 1: told her, yes he did. What was her response when
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Speaker 1: you told her her dad knew? Her response was she
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Speaker 1: was sobbing. She was absolutely like anybody would be if
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Speaker 1: they just found out their mom died, especially suddenly. She said,
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Speaker 1: my dad thinks her veil was thinning. And I said why,
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Speaker 1: and she said, because about a week ago, my mom
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Speaker 1: was at home in the driveway and a man dressed
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Speaker 1: in black with a black ski mask came in and
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Speaker 1: he had a gun, and she said it looked like
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Speaker 1: a paintball gun. But he tried to shoot at her
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Speaker 1: a couple of times and missed, and then he ran away.
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Speaker 1: And she said her dad tried to tell the kids
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Speaker 1: that he thought she had a thin veil and that
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Speaker 1: she was seeing with her spirit eyes and that it
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Speaker 1: was not a paintball gun but some kind of space gun.
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Speaker 1: What did Emma or any of other Tammy's children make
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Speaker 1: of the fact a guy shoots at their mom and
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Speaker 1: then shortly after that she dies in her sleep. Well,
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Speaker 1: I never got to talk to Emma again because she
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Speaker 1: wouldn't answer my calls. Chad had told all of his kids,
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Speaker 1: especially Emma, not to talk to me or respond to
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Speaker 1: me at all, and so I've not been able to
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Speaker 1: talk to Emma. And then I received a text message
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Speaker 1: to a friend from Emma saying Emma texted a friend
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Speaker 1: and said, please tell Julie to quit talking about my family.
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Speaker 1: As if my life isn't bad enough, did you go
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Speaker 1: to the funeral? I was told by my angels to
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Speaker 1: stay completely away for my protection. I didn't know what
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Speaker 1: that meant entirely, although I listened the best I can
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Speaker 1: to my angels. So I stayed away. And also because
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Speaker 1: I had had a falling out with Chad and I
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Speaker 1: knew that some of his extended family did not care
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Speaker 1: for me and my story. I just thought that was
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Speaker 1: what it was about, so I respected them so they
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Speaker 1: could you grieve Is it true that you believe you
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Speaker 1: have spoken to Tammy Daville since her death. I talked
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Speaker 1: to Tammy often, at least twice a week. Tammy came
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Speaker 1: to visit me at my class in San Diego the
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Speaker 1: afternoon that she died, and she was in good spirit.
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Speaker 1: They had a big, huge family reunion for her in
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Speaker 1: spirit realm, basically like a big party. They'd been preparing
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Speaker 1: for her to come. She had a great time, and
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Speaker 1: I saw that for about three weeks, and then I
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Speaker 1: was on another trip three weeks later, and she came
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Speaker 1: to my hotel room and told me that she was
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Speaker 1: very distraught at what she had learned, that she was
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Speaker 1: very upset with Chad and very concerned about her children.
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Speaker 1: Her heart was heavy, and she told me to tell
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Speaker 1: the truth at all costs, that I needed to do this,
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Speaker 1: that it was important that I spoke my truth, no
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Speaker 1: matter what people think. And that is the main reason
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Speaker 1: that I went public and changed my viewpoint. Prime Stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace joining us right now, is a very
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Speaker 1: special guest. It is Julie Row. Julie, you believe you
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Speaker 1: of being contacted by Tammy day Bill? Did she have
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Speaker 1: any thought? I know that I have yes. So what
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Speaker 1: I was told by her was that when she went
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Speaker 1: to the other side of the veil, they did not
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Speaker 1: disclose to her house. She had died, and and she
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Speaker 1: did not know at that time. She did not have
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Speaker 1: it confirmed to her that Chad had been having an affair,
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Speaker 1: or that he had told his kids, you know, whatever
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Speaker 1: he told them, so she was able to have three
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Speaker 1: weeks of fun basically and reuniting with family and friends
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Speaker 1: on the other side in spirit realm before they disclosed
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Speaker 1: to her exactly what had happened, and then she turned
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Speaker 1: her energy to ministering to her kids on earth. I
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Speaker 1: do know that he told his children and some other
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Speaker 1: contacts of mine. He's claiming that Tammy came to him
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Speaker 1: shortly after she died and encouraged him to marry Laurie
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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, which I know is a lie because you
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Speaker 1: tell me what woman in spirit realm or on earth
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Speaker 1: is going to be okay with her husband turning around
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Speaker 1: within a week and being in love with somebody he's
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Speaker 1: had an affair with the last year you've been alive
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Speaker 1: and say, you know, I think you should go marry her.
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Speaker 1: In fact, don't grieve my death at all, Go marry
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Speaker 1: her right now, Go to Hawaii and have the time
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Speaker 1: of your life, and abandon your kids in Idaho for
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Speaker 1: the holidays while they're grieving my death. It's got Satan's
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Speaker 1: Emma all over it. But he's told you that one
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Speaker 1: of the children ever told you they were worried their
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Speaker 1: dad would remarry. Yes, Emma Devil told that to me.
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Speaker 1: When I was in the forty minute call with her.
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Speaker 1: She was crying and she initiated it, and she said,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm most worried about. And she was
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Speaker 1: crying and I said, what's that, Emma? And she said,
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Speaker 1: my dad getting remarried. And I said, why are you
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Speaker 1: worried about that? And she said, because he's talked to
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Speaker 1: me about multiple probations and I have a problem with polygamy.
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Speaker 1: You know, that is just the oddest thing to me, Julie,
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Speaker 1: because when my dad passed away, the last thing on
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Speaker 1: my mind was my mom remarrying. That never even entered
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Speaker 1: my mind. And I'm curious as to why his daughter,
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Speaker 1: Emma would say, and this is the day we find
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Speaker 1: out Tammy has passed away, I'm worried my dad's going
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Speaker 1: to remarry, which tells me that he had had conversations
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Speaker 1: with at least some of his kids, especially Emma, to
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Speaker 1: quote unquote prepare them to lay the groundwork for him
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Speaker 1: to get remarried super fast, and that he had distorted
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Speaker 1: the doctrine and had used it to justify his actions.
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Speaker 1: Because when I talked to him the last time I
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Speaker 1: talked to him about multiple probations related to anything with
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Speaker 1: this family, he had talked to Tammy about it, he
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Speaker 1: had talked to a couple of his boys about it.
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Speaker 1: He had not talked to Emma about it, and so
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Speaker 1: he told her whatever he told her sometime in twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 1: And you're saying privations are past lives. Correct, they're past lives.
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Speaker 1: But I know Chad this way and the way he
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Speaker 1: started to disclose his thought patterns in twenty eighteen to me,
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Speaker 1: which is he had this long list of people he
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Speaker 1: thought he'd been married to before that he was reconnecting with,
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Speaker 1: and Laurie Valo was one of them. And when he
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Speaker 1: told me that, I said, I'm not getting that, but
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Speaker 1: I'm getting a big caution on Laurie Valo. Actually, Chad,
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Speaker 1: you need to be careful. I'm getting a caution there
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Speaker 1: and he kind of smirked, did this little kind of
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Speaker 1: smirky laugh. We were talking over a regular phone call.
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Speaker 1: And then that was like October of eighteen, and then
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Speaker 1: I said it again in December. Okay, I said it again. Jey.
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Speaker 1: Remember I've never heard of any of what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: but it sounds like a dating website, a bizarre dating
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Speaker 1: website where you think you've had previous lives and you've
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Speaker 1: been married to all these women, and now in the
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Speaker 1: current here and now, you are now reaching out to
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Speaker 1: these women to connect with them. Yeah, I understand why
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Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell was jealous. I guess. So it's one
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Speaker 1: thing to have a past life, but it's another thing
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Speaker 1: to be texting and calling women here and here and
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Speaker 1: now trying to hook up with them, right. And that
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Speaker 1: was the leading cause for my fallowing out with Chad
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Speaker 1: day Bell because of conversations we had in December, me
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Speaker 1: not being okay with what was going on with him
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Speaker 1: and what he was doing in choices he was making,
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Speaker 1: and Laurie was a big part of that. And I
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Speaker 1: sent him a text and basically said, you have patriarchal
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Speaker 1: energy you need to clear and I'm not okay with
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Speaker 1: what you're doing. He sent me a text back and said, wow,
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Speaker 1: you really know how to burn bridges. You don't know
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Speaker 1: me at all. But then he's texted some other stuff
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Speaker 1: that basically let me know I nailed it. I was
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Speaker 1: spot on with my you know, discernment of what he
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Speaker 1: was up to. In all the conversations you have had
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Speaker 1: with Tammy day Bail after her death, she's never once
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Speaker 1: told you how she died, not directly, and I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure why. That is what I hear more than anything.
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Speaker 1: We want the energy to flush out, and we want
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Speaker 1: natural con sequences to come about. And what the light
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Speaker 1: Side does is they give every opportunity for people to repent,
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Speaker 1: to come clean, to speak truth, to change course, to
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Speaker 1: correct their actions, to come forward on their own before
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Speaker 1: they get caught or are charged with something, whether they're
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Speaker 1: on this side or the other side of the vail.
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Speaker 1: They have just told me they're waiting for the energy
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Speaker 1: to flesh out. Julie, do you believe Tammy Daville's children
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Speaker 1: have been brainwashed? Yes, I know. I know it, and
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Speaker 1: I think very confused their heartbroken because I know those
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Speaker 1: kids and I can discern it, and I can feel
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Speaker 1: their energy. They feel like I've betrayed them, and all
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Speaker 1: this news media and everything going on, they don't know
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Speaker 1: who to trust, and so it's easier to distrust me
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Speaker 1: and the media and the law enforcement than to distrust
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Speaker 1: your dad. It's horrific. This is very, very complicated. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's got Saton's m O all over it, and he's
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Speaker 1: a complex strategist and there's a higher I agree with
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Speaker 1: you on that, because that many dead bodies connected to
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Speaker 1: one to two people, it defies logic. Time stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining us right now is a very special guest.
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Speaker 1: It is Julie Row. Julie is a former friend of
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Speaker 1: cult leader Chad day Bell. She is a current friend
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Speaker 1: of his deceased wife, Tammy Davie. I the author and
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Speaker 1: founder of the Greater Tomorrow Relief Fund, and that relief
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Speaker 1: fund helps create safe houses for human trafficking victims. What
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Speaker 1: is your message to Tammy's children if you could speak
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Speaker 1: to them now, first and foremost, I would tell them
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Speaker 1: that I love them with all of my heart and
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Speaker 1: that I'm so sorry for what's happened and for their pain,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. I know that they feel like I've
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Speaker 1: betrayed them. But I'm doing this for the best interest
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Speaker 1: of all parties involved, and I have to speak the
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Speaker 1: truth as I know it, that it is to date
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Speaker 1: one of the hardest things I have ever experienced in
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Speaker 1: my life, and that I feel extremely betrayed by Chad.
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Speaker 1: So I can only and how they must feel the
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Speaker 1: confusion as you try to sort out all the emotion
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Speaker 1: with the guy that I knew, because I know I
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Speaker 1: knew Chad to you know quite well for at least
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Speaker 1: three years. I've got a question for you, Julie and
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Speaker 1: the time that you need Chad Daybil. Did he ever
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Speaker 1: hit on you? Yes? What happened? And my husband knows it.
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Speaker 1: My husband's aware of everything. In fact, three years ago,
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Speaker 1: my husband's the one that said, are you be sure
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Speaker 1: you can trust Chad? And I was like, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: yes I can trust Chad. And my husband picked up
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Speaker 1: on the energy way before I did. Did Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bill think you were one of his past wives too? Yes?
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Speaker 1: So this is his line every attractive woman. He tells
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Speaker 1: them he knew them in a previous life and they
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Speaker 1: were married. So basically, why not just have sex right
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Speaker 1: now because you've already been married in another life. I
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Speaker 1: mean it's to me. I'm not a member of the LDS.
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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with a lot of what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: but I'm seeing a pattern. You worked closely with him,
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Speaker 1: You're attractive, and bam, suddenly he remembers, Hey, I was
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Speaker 1: married to even another life. Then there's Laurie Valo. Then
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Speaker 1: there's the other lady you told me about that he
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Speaker 1: was texting and her husband found out. That's three right there.
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Speaker 1: And he also told me that he thought he was
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Speaker 1: married to Melanie Gibb. And you were the first person
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Speaker 1: I've said that to other than the people in three
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Speaker 1: people in my closest circle and my husband. Of course,
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Speaker 1: you have just given me chillbumps all down my arms
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Speaker 1: because talking to you and looking at you, I just
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Speaker 1: knew it. I just knew day Belle hit on you.
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Speaker 1: And now you're telling me that about Melanie. How did
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Speaker 1: you find out she also was married to Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell in another life? I only heard it from Chad.
30:37
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about Chad day Bell.
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Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of women fall for this. They actually
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Speaker 1: mold out all kinds of women coming after him, all
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Speaker 1: kinds of women because he's miss using his spiritual gifts,
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Speaker 1: which is what Satan does. People that follow Satan the
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Speaker 1: occult have spiritual gifts. Why he sucks them in with
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Speaker 1: his gifts and he uses it as a control in
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Speaker 1: my manipulation tactic. I can learn from you what may
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Speaker 1: have been his mo So he says you were one
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Speaker 1: of his, you were a wife in a past life.
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Speaker 1: What did he want from that? Did he want to
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Speaker 1: rekindle a sex relationship? I don't know, because he didn't.
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Speaker 1: He never said, and I didn't ask, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to know. What did he say? How do you
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Speaker 1: tell somebody? How do you break it to him you
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Speaker 1: were married in a past life? I don't remember. He
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Speaker 1: had He had been testing, like asking questions, And he
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Speaker 1: had this necklace that he said he found One time
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Speaker 1: he told me he found it on a church bench,
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Speaker 1: then he found it in the library church, and then
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Speaker 1: one time he said it was an old necklace of
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Speaker 1: Tammy's that he found. He gave me three different stories
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Speaker 1: on the necklace, but he would use it like a pendulum.
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Speaker 1: And it was an owl necklace, which I also know
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Speaker 1: as an accult symbol. So I don't and I always
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Speaker 1: told him I don't like that necklace, and you can
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Speaker 1: get fault answers by using plenties. He would swing it
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Speaker 1: back and forth, yeah, and he would he would neutralize it,
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Speaker 1: and then he'd swing it to try to get a
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Speaker 1: yes or no. And I would tell him all the time.
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Speaker 1: I would sit there and use my gifts when we
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Speaker 1: would when we would discuss, you know, things like um, am,
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Speaker 1: I seeing correctly, um X y and Z right, And
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Speaker 1: I would never tell him what I was actually sing
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Speaker 1: in my head, but he would always ask it with
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Speaker 1: me there. He'd try to get me to say it,
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Speaker 1: and then he'd use his necklace and then he would
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Speaker 1: get an answer. And sometimes I'd go, I guess it worked.
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Speaker 1: But most of the time I'd say, I don't like
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Speaker 1: your necklace. Julie, you have to promise me something. When
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Speaker 1: Tammy Daville finally tells you how she died, you have
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Speaker 1: to call me. I need to know I will. I will,
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Speaker 1: and I am clairvoyant, and I don't want to be
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Speaker 1: wrapped up in the legal issue. But I don't know
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Speaker 1: how I won't be. But I would testify in court
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Speaker 1: if Tammy told me right. If anybody knows me, they
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Speaker 1: know I speak truth at all costs. I will do
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Speaker 1: everything I can to see justice. I am absolutely sick
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Speaker 1: to my stomach at what's gone on. I am concerned.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us and we wait as
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Speaker 1: just as some faults. Thank you, Julie, Thank you,