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Is Riley Greene A Star? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Steckley.
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  Speaker 1: We got Cody steven Hagen, and we got Ajax, and
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  Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about. From a two Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: a doubleheader technically not a straight doubleheader, basically a straight doubleheader.
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  Speaker 1: We had rain delays, we had an ejection, we have
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  Speaker 1: unruly fans. We have the schemes versus schoolbl debate home
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  Speaker 1: runs that were wacky. I don't know where to start.
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  Speaker 1: Go to you were there? Where do we start?
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  Speaker 2: Where do we start?
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea where to start. I wrote a
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  Speaker 3: story about this last night. I was at the ballpark
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  Speaker 3: from nine to thirty am to one thirty am, and
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  Speaker 3: I wrote a story about it, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm doing here, Like I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what to start. I'm just gonna throw some stuff
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  Speaker 3: on here and hope I can go home eventually. But
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  Speaker 3: I guess the theme of that story was right. We
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  Speaker 3: entered what should have been a great day. It was
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  Speaker 3: like a doubleheader, long day. But you know what, you
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  Speaker 3: gonna watch schooble pitch I'm gonna get to watch Schemes pitch.
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  Speaker 4: This is gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Would it have been awesome for baseball if they pitched
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  Speaker 3: in the same game. Probably do. I kind of wish
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  Speaker 3: someone just would have made that happen. Kind of whatever,
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  Speaker 3: I get it. Schooble wanted Game one, uh, more controllable,
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  Speaker 3: kind of a more normal preparation, supposedly in the Pirates
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  Speaker 3: clubhouse schemes, and Andrew Heini kind of asked like, hey, bro,
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  Speaker 3: which game you want? He's got more service time. He
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  Speaker 3: was like, Game one. Schemes is like, okay, you could
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  Speaker 3: also argue that that does give the Pirates probably a
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  Speaker 3: better chance of winning. You can kind of assume they
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  Speaker 3: can't hit anyone, and they're bright not gonna hit Schooble.
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  Speaker 3: So that's how it ended up. That was kind of
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  Speaker 3: a bummer, right, I thought that was gonna be the
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  Speaker 3: worst thing that happened all day.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: They played first game, started in a monsoon, kind of
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  Speaker 3: complained about it after the game, says he thought they
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  Speaker 3: should have waited to start. There was water dripping from
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  Speaker 3: the brim of his hat. Don't think he was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: They really wanted that split double letder. They really wanted
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  Speaker 3: two separate gates. You know, sell some of those tickets.
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  Speaker 3: It's what you got now. I thought that was gonna
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  Speaker 3: be the worst thing that happened all day. Oh, super
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  Speaker 3: Bol got a little spicy post game No, no Game two.
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  Speaker 3: I think people got cranky. I think people got tired
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  Speaker 3: of being there. More weathered problems.
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  Speaker 2: A weird call in.
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  Speaker 3: A runner's interference. Next thing you know, Dennis Santana is
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  Speaker 3: swinging at fans in the bullpen. Someone said something really stupid.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know what it was, but Santana after game
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  Speaker 3: I talked to him, said they crossed the line. Tommy
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  Speaker 3: fam gets into it. Some fans, three dudes behind home
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  Speaker 3: point get ejected. We don't know what they were saying either.
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  Speaker 3: Probably must have been pretty bad if to set him
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  Speaker 3: off like that. AJ Hinch stout out. AJ gets ejected
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  Speaker 3: first time all year. Lived up to his promise of
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  Speaker 3: not waiting until the last game one. A very controversial
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  Speaker 3: call at home plate I don't know, and Tiger's blues
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  Speaker 3: Game two. I guess there's your summary. It was wild
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  Speaker 3: and ended up that's the point. What should have been
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  Speaker 3: a great day ended up just a chaotic mess, bad
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  Speaker 3: look for some of the fans in the stands, just sloppy,
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  Speaker 3: kind of all the way around.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I I kind of want to get the I
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  Speaker 1: want to get the home. The controversial call kind of
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  Speaker 1: off my chest to begin with. I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball kind of lacks a a general fans
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  Speaker 1: clarity on what these reviews are doing. And what I
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  Speaker 1: mean by that is that, like the NFL, for all
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  Speaker 1: their problems, does like a really good job of like saying,
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  Speaker 1: all right, does a general fan watching that game at
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  Speaker 1: a bar I think it's a first down, or he's
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  Speaker 1: out of bounds, or it's a catch, and then they
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  Speaker 1: kind of make that the guidance. We've had multiple discussions
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast going all the way back to the
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  Speaker 1: first series about what it what constitutes like a call
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  Speaker 1: overturned via replay, and that to me looked more out
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  Speaker 1: than Manuel Margo am I off there. He looked more
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  Speaker 1: out than Manuel Margo was. And that was and that
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  Speaker 1: was a call stands, And this was a call overturned,
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  Speaker 1: all right. And if you want to say that you
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  Speaker 1: can't get it one hundred percent, then the call stands.
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. But I'm just saying I've seen
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  Speaker 1: a lot less evidence overturned than what we saw on
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  Speaker 1: on Thursday night, So that part is frustrating to me,
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  Speaker 1: even though if it did lead to HJ.
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  Speaker 4: Hinch finally getting an ejection.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my piece on replay. I mean, and Cody
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  Speaker 1: and I have argued about this on air off air,
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  Speaker 1: about like what it's really supposed to do, and this
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  Speaker 1: that the other thing I I think that needs to
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  Speaker 1: be addressed, probably more so than having challenge systems for
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  Speaker 1: balls and strikes.
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  Speaker 4: But I might be in the minority on that, but
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  Speaker 4: to me.
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  Speaker 2: He looked.
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  Speaker 1: He was out to me, and if he wasn't out,
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  Speaker 1: then I got twenty other calls that were overturned with
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  Speaker 1: less evidence that we need to go back and look at.
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  Speaker 1: All I want is consistency of standard that That's what
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  Speaker 1: I want. I don't feel like even just with the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers this year, we had necessarily gotten that.
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  Speaker 2: That's my piece.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have anything to say
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  Speaker 1: about that specifically, that's my piece on instant replay.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with you though, Like even you know when
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  Speaker 5: I used to play when it was kind of I
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  Speaker 5: think just getting getting started, it was always, well, is
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  Speaker 5: there enough evidence to prove you know that, or to
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  Speaker 5: overturn the call that was on the field, And you
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  Speaker 5: know a lot of the times there's there's not until
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  Speaker 5: they start playing them different angles. You start playing them
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  Speaker 5: different angles underneath, over the top, coming from left center,
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  Speaker 5: around the corners, like where, first of all, where's the
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  Speaker 5: camera at over there? How did you get a camera
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  Speaker 5: up there? And once those angles start getting and you
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  Speaker 5: start seeing it from a different angle, it's like, hey, yo,
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  Speaker 5: that that that definitely should be overturned.
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  Speaker 2: And like you said, I think that play at the plate.
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  Speaker 5: Once I saw that underneath angle like under the armpit,
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  Speaker 5: with the angle that you you you can't see and
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  Speaker 5: they showed a slow mode, I was like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 5: I got him out right there. But I guess there
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  Speaker 5: was just not just that that. It wasn't just like
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  Speaker 5: one hundred percent, but it was like he's I see
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  Speaker 5: it though I see it, but it's like how much
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  Speaker 5: of it do I see? Like?
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  Speaker 2: Is it is it? Is it is he tag number?
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  Speaker 2: Is it grazing?
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  Speaker 5: Is it just right over the And that's where you
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  Speaker 5: can't you don't you don't know what did he just
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  Speaker 5: what if he just went right over the top of it, like, well,
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  Speaker 5: you can't see this, but right here you it looks out.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It's just it's weird.
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  Speaker 5: But it's just like I know what my eyes are
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  Speaker 5: telling me. I know that's on the skin. I know
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  Speaker 5: that's on the arm.
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  Speaker 2: So it should be it should be out.
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  Speaker 5: But it's just like when you can't prove that it
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  Speaker 5: was actually touching the skin right there, so it's there's
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  Speaker 5: not enough evidence to overturn it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, so I get it. It would.
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  Speaker 5: It drives me crazy, and especially in a game like
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  Speaker 5: that where you know that that that play happens, it
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  Speaker 5: could you know, potentially change the game, you know, So.
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  Speaker 2: There should be a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: More clarification on on on plays like that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: because it's it's like, dude, if you if we continue
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  Speaker 5: going down this path, you know, calls that that uh,
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  Speaker 5: that could.
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  Speaker 2: Potentially change games.
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  Speaker 5: It could potentially have a you know, change on the
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  Speaker 5: outcome of the game. We'll never we'll never know. We'll
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  Speaker 5: just it'll always just be well, there's not enough evidence.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's just not good enough. So, like you said,
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  Speaker 5: we need to come up with a different system. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know how they'll do it, but I think when
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  Speaker 5: you get to show in the different angles and I'm
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  Speaker 5: seeing a tag being applied, I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 5: how much it's on the skin. I just know it's
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  Speaker 5: on it, you know, So that's out. It's there, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I you know, I don't. I can't prove to you
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  Speaker 5: how much pressure is on it from the glove to
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  Speaker 5: the skin, but I see it on it. So it's
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  Speaker 5: an out overturned the call. You know, it doesn't stand.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's an out. So that's my take on it.
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  Speaker 5: I've been there, done it, and it was it was
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  Speaker 5: super frustrating a lot of times, especially on plays where
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  Speaker 5: you know where you're still still in bases and you
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  Speaker 5: know it's that that swipe tag, and it's just like
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  Speaker 5: did he touch him? Did he not touch him? There's
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  Speaker 5: not enough evidence because the swipe happens so fast. When
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  Speaker 5: you go back and you show the replays and slow mode,
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  Speaker 5: did he touch his leg? Did he not touch it?
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  Speaker 5: You can show all the angles you want, it's just
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  Speaker 5: no evidence did I touch his leg? Even though the
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  Speaker 5: tag may have beat him there, there's just no evidence
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  Speaker 5: to say, well, did he actually touch on that swipe.
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  Speaker 2: So that's that's the frustrated part about the replay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna be honest, I don't have a strong
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  Speaker 3: take on if he were safer out because I was
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  Speaker 3: dealing with a lot of other stuff that's been part
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  Speaker 3: of the rain delay. Out in the rain, looking for
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  Speaker 3: the fan who was heckling Dennis Santana, and then trying
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  Speaker 3: to find out if that fan had been ejected. And
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  Speaker 3: then when the play finally resumed, I was still communicating
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  Speaker 3: with editors, like what are we doing about this? So
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  Speaker 3: I saw the play happen. I thought he was out
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  Speaker 3: on first glance. Three plays, I think he's out, but
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  Speaker 3: I haven't really dove into all the angles. And then
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  Speaker 3: AJ get tossed and then the game went on and whatever.
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  Speaker 3: One thing I do agree with Aj Hinch about though
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  Speaker 3: it was kind of his criticism, like I don't like
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  Speaker 3: the term call stands. It does feel a little bit
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  Speaker 3: like a cop out. We're not caring to your point,
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  Speaker 3: We're not gonna say whether he was safe or whether
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  Speaker 3: he was out, or maybe really give a full explanation
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  Speaker 3: of our logic in real time, where just say ah
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  Speaker 3: it stands. We're going with the call in the field.
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  Speaker 3: It does feel a little bit like, I guess you
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  Speaker 3: really can't tell and there's not really conclusive evidence. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if there's really an angle where you can
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  Speaker 3: stay without any doubt, Jake Rodgers, the glove is on
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  Speaker 3: Tony Fan's arm. Like I guess, maybe you have to
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  Speaker 3: go with the call in the field. But the general
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  Speaker 3: idea and term around call stands does feel kind of weak.
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  Speaker 3: Uh So, especially in a controversial moment like that. I
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  Speaker 3: think a j picked a good moment for his first ejection.
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  Speaker 3: It was the tenth There was only so much managing
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  Speaker 3: left to do. It was a long day, that's all
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  Speaker 3: I got.
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  Speaker 5: Tell you, tells me he missed his arm. If y'all
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  Speaker 5: know so much, tell he missed his arm.
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  Speaker 3: And I believe that's what MLD later said.
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  Speaker 2: Hours and hours afterwards. You know, tag misses the arm.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, well, all right, well that's better than the call stands.
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  Speaker 2: But what but we seeing we see what we're seeing.
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  Speaker 5: Ours are telling us out So you're telling us that
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  Speaker 5: if if the call stands and that means he missed
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  Speaker 5: the tag, are you because we're seeing the evidence of Okay,
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  Speaker 5: it looks like you tagged them. So why are you
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  Speaker 5: not telling us the tagonist him because you can't tell.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know, so you just.
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  Speaker 3: No. MLB even after the fact didn't say the tagnist them.
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  Speaker 3: They said the official could not definitively determine that the
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  Speaker 3: fielder tagged the runner. Call stands runner safe. So even
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  Speaker 3: in the statement after the fact, we don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Again the whole definitive thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I've I've definitely seen less definitive over time.
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  Speaker 4: Like I like, it's just like a thing.
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  Speaker 1: So like my big thing is I'm okay with call
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  Speaker 1: stands as a general principle, but you just got to
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  Speaker 1: apply the standard consistently throughout.
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  Speaker 4: That's my thing.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever your standard, it's just like a strike zone before
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  Speaker 1: ABS takes over. It's like it's just like a strike zone.
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  Speaker 1: If it's the same I like the whole time, then
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  Speaker 1: we're good. If the consistency of standards the same, then
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  Speaker 1: we're good. We probably dedicated a little bit too much
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  Speaker 1: time for this, but it is something that I feel
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  Speaker 1: passionately about. Uh And and there was so many, so
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  Speaker 1: much other stuff that happened that was probably more important.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to say, Like the whole schemes versus
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  Speaker 1: school bol thing. Yeah, it would have been nice to
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  Speaker 1: kind of market that game against each other, but there's
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  Speaker 1: not really there's there was no commissioner, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: this a metaphorical commissioner that says like, all right, you
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  Speaker 1: got like like a Dana White type where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, you guys have to pitch in the same game.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care about your routine. Uh, you know, baseball
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  Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. So I get both guys kind
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  Speaker 1: of you know, the way that they went about it,
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  Speaker 1: although ironically, maybe Schooble would have been better off pitching
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  Speaker 1: the second game since he was complaining about uh pitching
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  Speaker 1: in the first one with the rain delay and then
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  Speaker 1: actually in the rain. So just a just a wild,
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  Speaker 1: a wild series of events. Uh, do you want to
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  Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more, Cody about what you learned?
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  Speaker 1: Did you learn anything about this fan like you went
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  Speaker 1: you tried to find him it so far.
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  Speaker 3: He was long gone from the ballpark. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen like any explanation or like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even video of like what he said or like his identity,
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  Speaker 1: which I mean, I'm not trying to docs the guy
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  Speaker 1: even though I don't have any sympathy for him, but
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  Speaker 1: like it had to be something over the top, like
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  Speaker 1: really over the top to spurn that kind of reaction.
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  Speaker 1: And as a general, PSA, everybody, please don't be an
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  Speaker 1: idiotic child, like like just like just you know, PSA,
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  Speaker 1: you know and any ballfield, youth, high school, college, minors, majors, like,
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  Speaker 1: how about we just not say things that prompt this
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  Speaker 1: kind of response. That would be my message to everybody,
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  Speaker 1: because it just it's like, do you really feel good
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  Speaker 1: about that? Like later, Like if you do, then that
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  Speaker 1: probably speaks volumes about you. So that's just my general PSA.
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  Speaker 1: I know, we have the video and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: important to play and if you guys have subscribe to
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  Speaker 1: us on YouTube, you can see this because like again,
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  Speaker 1: these these these ballplayers, Austin, he can speak to the too,
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  Speaker 1: like they hear all kinds of mess. So if so
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  Speaker 1: for this guy who he's a bullpen guy, wear a
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  Speaker 1: bullpens by the stands like he's he's heard everything under
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  Speaker 1: the you know, under the sun, I'm sure so to
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  Speaker 1: get this kind of response, it had to be bad
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  Speaker 1: in that person to be ashamed of himself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if anyone out there was listening, knows what happened
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  Speaker 3: and knows who this dude ish shoot up my way.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's one of the unfortunate things everyone sees.
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  Speaker 3: Dennis Santana. This makes a bad look for Dennis Santana,
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  Speaker 3: and he said afterward, you know, it didn't justify the actions,
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  Speaker 3: but the guy did cross the line. That's a bad
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  Speaker 3: look for Denis Santana and the guy who was actually
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  Speaker 3: out there initiating all this just gets to you know what,
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  Speaker 3: we may never know who he is, and that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of unfortunate. It's very cowardly. So we're gonna show the
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  Speaker 3: video and then I think we'll probably learn the most
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  Speaker 3: hearing from AJAX hearing a player's perspective one, what dealing
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  Speaker 3: with this stuff is actually like.
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  Speaker 6: That was something something, man, It's it's just it's you know,
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  Speaker 6: as players, we understand that, you know, the the the
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  Speaker 6: the regular.
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  Speaker 5: Trash talk that you suck you can't hit, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 5: just those type of things like that's that's honestly, it's
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  Speaker 5: kind of fun because it kind of pumps you up, like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 5: you want to talk trash. You can kind of talk
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  Speaker 5: trash back with them, that's that's normal, you know player
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  Speaker 5: fan banter that that's back and forth. But I've been
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  Speaker 5: on the the the other side of that where a
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  Speaker 5: fan has crossed the line and in feeling safe in
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  Speaker 5: in a in an environment where they know that we
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  Speaker 5: can't do anything and that that we'll most likely get
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  Speaker 5: in trouble if we if we, you know, have some
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  Speaker 5: type of response to that, and we're gonna we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: be the ones that are told that. You know, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you're a professional, you're supposed to be able to, uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, keep your cool, but you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, we're still human beings.
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  Speaker 5: You say something, you know personal that it's not this
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  Speaker 5: beyond I suck.
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  Speaker 2: And when you go beyond me and start.
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  Speaker 5: Talking about my family and my children and kids, Like
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  Speaker 5: if you saw somebody outside right now and they start
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  Speaker 5: talking about your mom or your your kid or your family,
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  Speaker 5: what kind of response would you have.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what kind of profession you're in. You're
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: still a human being.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: And once you hit that boiler point, hey man, it's
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: it's go time, and you know, you you you you
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: you kind of lose sight of where you're at and
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: what you're doing. All you're seeing is red, you know,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: So there had to be something said from a fan
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: to get him to that point. Because we hear we
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: hear all the trash talk all the time. That doesn't
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: bother us. But when something is said that gets personal,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: that gets off of baseball, that's when you you typically
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: see these responses. And I've been to a few stadiums
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: where I've had to turn around and look the person
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: in the eye, like, you know, this is this that's
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: that's that's much right there, that's a little that's that's
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: too much, you know, So keep it on me. Yeah, Hey,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: I'm over forward. Four strikeouts, I sucked. Keep it on that.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: I'm fine with that because I got a game tomorrow.
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I'm If I'm.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Not hitting, ain't nobody hit. Okay, that's holding up story.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: But you know, keep it on on that, you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: keep it on the baseball.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: The trash talk.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: You know, fans are getting to the point to where
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: they're being allowed to just speak out and talk about
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: you know, family and get personal. Man, And that's just
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: that's too much because you never know what a player
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: is going through. Like I said, we're all human beings
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: it you know, we're going through things off the field,
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: and when you start getting personal like that, you start
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: attacking somebody like that, Hey, you know, things like that
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: will happen. It's just unfortunately, like you said, that it
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: just looks bad on him because somebody's sitting there with
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: a phone filming him, but not turning around and showing
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: the guy who provoked this, who started this whole thing,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: because you know, as players, we're not going up and
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: you know, walking by a fan and saying, hey, you're
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: a terrible fan, you suck and this that that's what's
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: been said to us about our performance, you know, good
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: or bad. So you know this something was said to
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: provoke him, and like I said, unfortunately, you know, the
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: cameras were just on him, and you know it looks
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: bad on him, But I'm telling you, something was said.
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: It was crossed the line and provoked him to have
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: those that type of reactions.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a video out there the guy. He's
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: wearing a yellow I think Clemene jersey, which one idiot,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and then I think a tiger's hat.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: So that's all.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: That's about all we know about the identity of this guy.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of passionate we've had on this podcast
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: so far, let's send on a on a lighter note, Ajax,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: we had we we got to see. You know, there
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: are certain things as you progress watching the game or
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: your case, playing the game, and then you know in
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: your post retirement where it makes you feel old, makes
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: me feel old, makes Cody feel I'm sure this makes
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you feel old. You have a former teammate. It was
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a manager. It was manager Donnie Kelly. Donnie Kelly managing
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Virates and you know, got an appropriate amount
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of love from the Tigers fans. He's uh, he's a
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: legend in his own right and uh and you got
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: to play with him. So what's you know, you got
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: any DK stories for us or what's it like to
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: see a former teammate of yours managing a ball club?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: That's wild?
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, I don't feel old. Don't don't
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: put that on me. You know, hey, don't be putting
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: that on me. Man.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: No.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: But but seriously, like DJ, I was just a lackerymate
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: there and uh in you know my time at Detroit
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: and super awesome dude, super positive dude. So you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: I couldn't imagine how you know, just positive. He is
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: as as a manager, and how he and just his
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: whole you know, uh, his his spirit in how spiritual
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: he was God here man, and you know me being
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: his locker mate and you know, going through some you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: going through some tough times playing baseball, you know, you
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: get down on yourself, and being able to have a
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: guy like that sitting next to you each and every day,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: it was just a blessing for me, honestly because he
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: kept me where I needed to be, you know, just
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: mentally spiritually.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed him. Man.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: We had so many good conversations. And you know, he
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: wasn't a guy that got too too up. He wasn't
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: really a raw rock guy. But he had this side
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: of him though that I'm like, okay, yeah, you put
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: the Bible down for that, that one right there, DK,
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: I ain't never seen.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Like he get red. And I'm like, oh, that boy
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: put the Bible down on now he got.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: But I mean, he was just such a He's just
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: such a good teammate man. And You're going to hear
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: that about a lot of guys, but it's it's it's
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: the truth, man.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: With this dude, he was so positive.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: That's the biggest thing that that, you know, I remember
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: about DK's him being positive and just his whole demeanor
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: was was super chill.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: He always kept me, you know, chill and kept things
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: in perspective for me, especially as being a young guy, uh,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: you know, coming in and trying to you know, make
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: a name for myself and uh, you know, having you know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: having some struggles early man, and and really just not
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: knowing what to how to navigate this new journey and
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: how to navigate failure. Having somebody like DK next to me, man,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: it was just awesome. So, like I said, I can't
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: imagine how you know, that's rubbing off on the guys
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: in that locker room. Man, I think that I'm sure
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: that he's he's uh, he's really keeping those guys motivated,
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: you know, because that's that's what he was.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: He was a motivator. Man.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: He kept me motivated in times of of of struggle man.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: And that you know, we we we we would laugh.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: We would sit there and laugh and have jokes. But
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: you had to keep it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You had to keep it pg with him, man, because
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: that's it. That was DK. Man. That was that was
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the cool thing.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: You know, you didn't have to worry about DK coming
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: you know out of every once in a while he
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: come out of left field, or you're like.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Oh dude, that was a little that was a little
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: more than me. You give me a little today.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: I ain't done that white start dying now, that's K
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Maybe I like I like when you get fired up too, man,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: because it was like seeing a different.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Side of him.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Let me know, I was like, this dude got firing.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: But I love that dude, man. And I was able
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: to you know, actually, when I was rehabbing, I saw him.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: I think I think we were in What's What's the
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: What's Cleveland's triplet?
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember.
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: I think I was with Cleveland rehabing Rochester. It might
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: be Rochester. I think you are right. And I heard
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: somebody say yeah, I look up and DK standing at
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: the fence, and I was like, oh man, what's up.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: And we just it was just like we were just reconnecting, man,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: like like old times man. And it was just really
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: good to see a familiar face when I was you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: just you know, it's all new, all new guys.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And DK is the man. Dude. You're never gonna hear
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: anything bad about that guy. So I know he's an
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: awesome manager. I was I love to play for DK,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: so DK, look, you know I got a little my
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: knees is bad, but I can you know, I can
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: be eight.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: No, he's awesome. Good clippers ums boom, there it is.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: There is That's where I saw d K and he
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: was I think he was scouting at the time. So
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: it's like, dang, man, he's took that next step. So
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: really cool.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Cool.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: It's it's awesome to see like, you know, him being
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: kind of like a social media folk hero for the Tigers,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: and then you know it makes this professional ascension. And
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: then also hear from you that he was like a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: great guy in the clubhouse and all that stuff. It's
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like it's you never like that.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That's all three phases right there of being being a ballplayer.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So so yeah, that that was really awesome to see
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: him managing the Pie's and you know a guy that
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you know even from Afar, you know, brutin Forest. Yet
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the pirates can figure their stuff out because you want
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you just want good stuff for Donnie Kelly for sure.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: All right, we are going to take a quick break
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: and then afterward we're going to talk about what we
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: are witnessing with Riley Green and whether he is on
• 24:18
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• 24:22
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• 24:24
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• 24:29
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• 24:31
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• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Take us through it.
• 24:33
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• 24:40
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• 24:45
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• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you did it awesome.
• 24:50
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• 24:53
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• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Hold on to this, hold on, this is robinouts in
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  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. He's not getting any more rookie car.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna stick with it for a little bit.
• 25:01
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• 25:05
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• 25:25
  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here a guy who would love
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: to have a rookie card of and that is one
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Riley Green. We've done this, as people know, we've done
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: these kind of focused episodes about like the case for
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: various guys to be an All Star. We have put
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: off Riley Green because it's a pretty easy case to make.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Like it's it's not really a whole lot of persuasion
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: involved in saying Riley Green should be an All Star.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: It's like cool, thanks, Next takes.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It was interesting though that he when they put out
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the voting totals earlier this week, you know, Aaron Judge
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: is number one among American League outfielders.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: That makes a lot of sense. Number two was Riley Green.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And that means that it's not just like Tigers fans
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: trying to get their guy into the All Star Game,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: into the you know, the starting lineup. That means that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the general baseball population is seeing what we get to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: watch on an everyday basis, in Cody's case, up close
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and I what he's been doing right now. He's hitting
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: three twenty three, I believe in the month of June. Like, yeah,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you see all those names right there, and Riley Green
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: is second to only a guy who was hitting four
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: hundred for like the first two months of the season.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: So it's like a pretty pretty good list of guys
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that that Green is in company with. And you know,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: shout out Hobby for being five on that list too.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I think we got to start, you know. It's not like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: is Rather Green and All Star? It's like, is Riley
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Green a Star? I think is the real conversation. And
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just rattle off some some numbers here
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: for everybody. This is among American League outfielders second in RBI,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: third in home runs third and doubles fifth, and average
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: third and slugging third and no ps second, in total bases,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: fourth in WRC plus. Like, the dude is just hitting
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: at an elite level and also has some really fun highlights.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: We talked about with that with the Hobby case has
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: some really fun highlights. In fact, Cody, wy don't we
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: play that right now, because that happened this week, and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: we would have talked about it a lot more had
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: there not been so much other stuff that happened this week.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: But this was something that it reminded.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Me of a certain certain you know, left handed hitter
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: from Austin Jackson's time with the Tigers.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: This shot from Riley Green, some big swint.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: We missed the good part again.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: We'll do this live.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: It's all right, we'll get there.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: In sports.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Here we go six feet to watch oh man y
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: green light.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: By the way, shout out to little Robot. I got
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: two of them in my house. So if they want
• 28:33
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• 28:35
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• 28:39
  Speaker 1: So but yeah, that that shot right there was like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that was that that reminded me of Prince Fielder, like
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: there was There are not many that in the America
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Park time from the left side that you would say
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: that you would say like you just saw the trajectory
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: of the ball and then where it went, Like it's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a relatively short list of being like oh and now
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and Riley Green's there and that's and that's what I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: mean by star because there's certain stats or stats, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: there's certain gravitas about whether somebody is a star.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And and and that and that.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Right there is evidence, in my opinion, that we're seeing
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the emergence of a star. So not star is born,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it's the emergence of a star. So I'm just I'm
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: just a guy with a podcast. We got a journalist here,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and we got a guy who lived lived that's that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: stuff in that ballpark.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: So I'm curious what you guys think.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Riley Green. Pretty sure he's gonna be an All Star,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: But are we seeing him become a star?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I think I think I think you are are right on.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: I think we're we're seeing him become a star. I
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: don't wanna. I don't wanna. I don't wanna get get
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: you know, us to get too far ahead of ourselves.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: But I'm not then that's not that's not a knock
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: to him saying that he's not approaching that is he
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: fully there yet? Like where he's definitely an All Star.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: I mean that's in every sense of the word, Like
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: that's where the stars are, you know. I don't think
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: you're gonna see him make one All Star be done.
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: I don't think this is the case of him having
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: like one of those you know, career years and I
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: made the All Star team one time. I think you're
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: gonna see several seasons of him making an All Star.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see him keep doing it a few
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: more years before I can say like he's a star.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: He's definitely an All Star. I think that when we
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: when we spoke, I don't know if you know, a
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: month or maybe a little over a month ago, when
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: he was kind of when he was trying to find it,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: you know, he was trying to find his swing, but
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: it was like it's there, he's having you know, he
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: just needs to he just needs to keep swinging the
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: back like he didn't need to like we've we've we've
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: already seen what this guy can do.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: It was more about he just needed to get some
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: you know, some more at bats, get you know, get
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: a couple of balls to drive, continue to you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: stay with his approach, stay within hisself.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And he's done that and that's what got him to
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: where he's at now.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Like I could fully, you know, and I remember saying it,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: like we all were like he's gonna be fine, Like
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: there's no reason to stress out when he has sixty
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: at bats and he's not hitting four hundred right now,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Like it's just sometimes you start off hot and you're
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: hitting four hundred and sometimes you're hitting two twenty. But
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: with his approach and just what's he's able to bring
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: each and every day with that glove, you know, because
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: that's one thing that I feel did not leave was
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: that the glove. Like he's been playing All star defense,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: so it was just a matter of a time.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: For a swing to come along.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: And you know, with him staying within himself, I think
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: is what got him back to where he's at now,
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: to where we're like, this dude, he didn't go anywhere.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And yes, I do think we're seeing a guy that
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: is that we're gonna be able to say one day
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: is a star, Like I do.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I do see that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: I think we all we want him to be a star,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: but he's gonna just he's gonna prove it with it
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: with display that. No, this dude's a legit bon to
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: five star.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: It's interesting you mentioned the defense, Austin, because by the numbers,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: that's actually the thing holding him back from taking that
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: step toward being like the top ten, top five MVP
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: voter that we talked about, like can he get to
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: that stage. I think the eye test we still see
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Riley making a lot of highlight plays. He's crashing in
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: the walls, he's diving. I think the eye test also
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: we can all kind of see he's not moving as well.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: And the numbers reflect that he was plus fourteen defensive
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: runs saved last year. He was approaching Austin Jackson territory.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: But he's negative four this year. And I'm not saying
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: he's a poor defender, but you're seeing you've seeing him
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: not move as well and not cover as much ground.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: His offensive performance is pretty much the same. He was
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: thirty five percent above league average last year. He's thirty
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: four percent above league average this year, even with all
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: the strikeouts. I'm gonna ask you about that in a second.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: It's really the defense that I think is kind of capping,
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: like that war kind of capping maybe him from really
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: being that guy. But he still does have great defensive instincts.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: He can make plays, So I'm just worried about him physically.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: We've talked about that before. The thing I'm curious to
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: ask you about Austin Riley Green leads baseball in strikeouts,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: and we've seen him go through some ruts where he's
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: punching a lot. He's got a steep swing. I'm almost
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: most kind of tired of hearing people complain about it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying leeting the league in strikeouts is a
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: good thing. We'd like to see the walk rate go up,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: we'd like to see the strikeout rate go down, obviously,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: but strikeouts I think are a little bit of part
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: of who Riley Green is. And he's still an All
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: star hitter even with a thirty one percent strikeout rate
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: right now. So it's almost like, I don't know, maybe
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: maybe we should stop being boomer about it and put
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: the ball in play and go the other way.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: The guy can hit, the guy, the guy can hit.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: If you were Riley Green, Austin, would you be trying
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: to cut down on the case.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Though, Absolutely not, because now you're taking away who I can,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: like what I'm able to do with my back, like
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: I'm able to do damage. I'm a swing and miss sometimes,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: you know, like we're not facing just Rudy Poots up here.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: These guys are I mean, these guys.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: If you just watch a game and just literally don't
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: watch a hitter and just watch movement of pitches. It's
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: it's ridiculous what guys are able to do spinning a
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: baseball up to the plate. But I think what makes him,
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: you know, such a good hitter is he's able to,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: you know, sometimes kind of take a step back and say, Okay,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna be more you know, a line drive. But
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: if you if you slip and throw him something to
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: do damage, it's like he's not missing, but you are
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: going to miss sometimes when you have a swing like here,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: so it's like you can't cake and eat it too,
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Like I can't swing to do damage without missing.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you know, like I can't be you know, everybody
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: can't hit three.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Thirty but have thirty home runs, and you know, it
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: just doesn't work out like that, And especially when you
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: know you you're you got off to a start that
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: he got off to and it was like, okay, I
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: have to I need to start finding some barrel first
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: and and then I could start, you know, doing some
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: more damage in the gas.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: And I think that that gets looked at in a
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: bad way.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's like striking out, you know, there would be
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: times where I would go, you know, two for four
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: with two strikeouts.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: It just happened. It would be you know, it was
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: like when is it coming? You know, three for four
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: with a strikeout, one for four with two strikeouts.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: And it was just it just kept piling up, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I'm still hitting, but I'm striking
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: out too.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: It's just it was one of those things that when
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: I tried to cut down my swing, I just became
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: a completely different hitter. Actually, I felt like I would
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: strike out more because I wasn't really being aggressive and
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: attacking the baseball. I was just kind of trying to
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: make contact, fouling off a lot of good pictures to hit,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: putting myself in terrible counts, and then I'd end up,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: you know, striking out or swinging at something you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: borderline or swinging at something that you know. I was
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: just I'm trying to make contact. I'm really not seeing it.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: So I don't think that he should change anything. I'm
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: not gonna change anything. If if if I feel comfortable
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: with who I am and I know that I can
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: hit and I can swing the bat, You're gonna sacrifice
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: sometimes some strikeouts, but I don't think he's just sacrifice,
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: you know, making contact with with with this type of
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: swing he has.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: We just seed to do. Hit the ball up to
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: the Petsy's high. Hey, then if I strike out at there,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: I mean you just got you know, not that one.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Why are you worried about the strikeout?
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Like guess, I mean, the dude through me a ninety
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: seven body moved literally three feet and I sung and
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: I missed it.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I'm good. Think about that.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: Home run I just hit, though, Like you can't do
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: that every time, you know, It's just it's not realistic
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: to think that he's just not that type of hitter.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: He's not that type of hitter. But he's a good hitter,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: you know. So I'm in a complete agreeance with you.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: I think sometimes we look at that sometimes, like, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: I wish that he wouldn't strike out as much and
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: put the ball in play, and then what you know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: it's not still in seventy bases. So I'd rather do damage.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: I want you hitting doubles, you know, doubles in home runs,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: and you know, obviously when we got somebody nasty up here,
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: then be your little contact hitter. But go up there,
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: and I'm trying to do damage and if you strike
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: out trying to be the hitter that you are, I
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: can live with that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm feeling if aj Hinch were on here,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: he would say, I can live with the strikeouts. I
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: just don't like the chase. When he gets in chase
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: mode and he's not having good at bats, that's a
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: little different than oh you swung and miss to a
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: nasty slider or you got deep by ninety seven, cause
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: you have a steep swing and you're trying to damage.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: So that's that's the one thing to keep in mind
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: as he can kind of get into chase mode a
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: little too much.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: And that's and that is that's that's another I mean,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: how old is Rod he was? He's twenty four.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: And September, so he's twenty four.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: Still a young You gotta remember that too, Like he's
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: still a young player. Like in four years, he's gonna
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: be a completely different I don't want to say completely
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: different player, but I'm saying he's gonna have a better
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: understanding of who he is as a hitter. Understand because
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: all those at bats and accumulating all this information, you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: he's gonna he's gonna be a completely different hitter. We're
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: looking at a twenty four year old doing what he's
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: doing now. I mean, he's only gonna get better. He's
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: only gonna get better with time and and at bats,
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: he's gonna understand the strike zone more and more each
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: and every year. And you know, I don't see why
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: we wouldn't be seeing a two eighty five plus each
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: and every year with twenty plus. You know, like he
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: has that type of ability, and you know he's doing it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: He's doing it right now with getting off to a
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: slow start. Now we're over here talking about him being
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: an All Star. When at the beginning we were like, oh,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: what's gonna happen? We were like, chill out, he's good.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: She was like that, We like that. I think I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: think so yeah. I think we were saying that like
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: in Houston. Member he got yeah, he's good. Right, right,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: he's good. I think, who.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Well, a couple of things about about the strikeout. So yeah,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: he's got ninety six. This is going into the weekend.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: He's got ninety six.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: K's all right.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Obviously, as we talked about Leeds, Leeds major League Baseball.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: But if you look at the list, like Aaron Judge,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: has eighty four. All right, so that's a twelve you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: that's a twelve difference. That's more or less an additional
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: strikeout every like what six seven games. So we're like, yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: like show hey, Otani also has like eighty eighty six
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: strikeout So it's like, it's not like you look at
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the top. Yeah, yeah, and he's not judged what I'm saying.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But you know Dla Cruz is up there too, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: around that same area. They're they're like, it's not just like,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: all right, how do you define if a hitter sucks?
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: All right, let's just strikeout list.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: And and and and that's it.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to add that as a little
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: bit of context. And then we didn't mean to talk
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: about the field. We talked about the feeling, but we
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: didn't really talk about it's like the base running element
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: with that Cody and and and it's a guy that
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: we've always you know, we've always made you know, a
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: little light of like you know, his like kind of
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: running style or whatever. It's I would say unique. It's
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: not necessarily a Jax level. But but you know, one
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: of the funny things about baseball, there's a number for everything.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Man his his his base running run value is and
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: only in the thirty two percentile, But he is fifth
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: in the American League in UH extra base taking percentage
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: boom boom.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: So then why is that metric so low because it's
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: not like he's trying to steal a lot.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: You know, it's a smart, smart base runner though, Like
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: he knows when to take the extra base hit. I'm
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: sure that he has a very good sense of you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: just angles and seeing like obscipline the outfield. You know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: you you can tell angles and when balls are hit
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: and when guys are taking bad angles, and you can
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: tell when guys aren't like playing the ball thinking that
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: you're gonna go to take that extra base you know
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying, Like you can tell when a guy
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: is going and you got all the information on the outfielders.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: But like there would be times where I could tell
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: this guy isn't like that he's not getting to this ball.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: He's not.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: I can tell he's just not. He's not going one
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: hundred percent and you can take advantage of that. So
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: I kind of feel like that's why that that number
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: is what it is, because I think he's more he's
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: more of a smart base runner as opposed to you know,
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: a blaze on the on the base pass, which that's honestly,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: what type of runner, our base runner that that that
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: he needs to be, you know, because like we're we're
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: talking about the you know, the you know, the way
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: he runs and things like that. He's a you know,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: he's a bigger dude, so you know, that's a lot
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: of weight hitting the ground. You know, I don't want
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: him doing that, and he dies a lot already in
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: the outfield. Like I don't need you hitting hitting the
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: ground too many more times than than than you already are,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: So be smart on the base pass.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Taking that extra base like that is that's what wins games.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I think when runners and you got a team that
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: can kind of buy into that taking those extra bases,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, getting a runner, you know, you know, an
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: extra base, I mean that makes all the difference in
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: the world. And what what the hitters have to do now,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Like I can just hit a pop fly to the outfield,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: I can hit the ball to the right side.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Of the of the infield and and score a runner.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: All those those.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Type of things makes a difference. And that is I
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: didn't know that said about him but I love that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: I love that because everybody wants to steal bases. But
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: that's like one of those those stats that kind of
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: gets overlooked a little bit, I think, and it's a
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: very important stat. I think as as a base runner
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: that that tells me more about you than just your speed.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: You know, I want that guy that can take that
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: extra base. I love.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: You know who would sneakly do that was Miguel Cabrera
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: would do that, like you know, he wasn't a blazer,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: but like he would take an extra base and he'd
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: be like, oh shoot, that just put him down on
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: third base with one out, and it's like, man, you
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: know that was that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That was awesome to see.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: But I mean it would change the outcome of games
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: because now you're moving him closer to home when when
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: you know you want him closer to home that if
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: you can, so.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: No, I think that's awesome. I didn't know that that's
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: that's that's a cool stat.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, Riley is kind of been you know,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he's the he's been the header face of the rebuild,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you know, since he got drafted and and was that
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, right, Yeah, twenty nineteen fifth overall, and he's
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: done nothing but ascend at like an elite pace. And
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: then you know he gets to the major leagues and
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: he's got to figure it out. But again, All Star
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: in his age twenty three season, he's in his age
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: twenty four or maybe at ten least twenty five whatever,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Bericalley in September. You guys can figure it out and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and and you know on pace right now to start
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: in the All Star Game. So yeah, I think he's
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: on a good path. I think how I would phrase that,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and the highlight stuff with him certainly applies as well.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Like that montage is gonna be a lot of fun
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: when he gets introduced over there in Atlanta representing the
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Detroit Tigers. Man, I'm sweaty. That was an intense fun podcast.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Got a lot out there, Ajax, great insights as always
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: anything else, guys before before we jet out of here.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: What did you say?
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: You said how he was fifth on that? Yeah, that man,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: I'm plumped for that though. Man, I am plumped for that,
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: and I hope that works out because I love that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: I've been Hey, man, I've been listen, I've been, and
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: a lot of people have I'm not acting like, oh
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: I saw something. It was just more of like, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: you wanted it for this guy, you know, because you
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: know I played against how he played with him, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: you know, I think that he at times would get
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: like this bad rep and I'm like, yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: He's not like that, man, This dude's a gamer.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: This dude like loves the game, he plays the game,
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: He respects the game. Don't let all the other stuff,
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: you know, you know, fool you. And you know, just
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: you know, this time in Detroit, I think hasn't really
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: shown really who the true hobby is.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: And so you know, I'm just I'm pumped for man.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: I'm glad that that he's able to start to, you know,
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: kind of show what he can do and what he's
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: able to do on a baseball field.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's one of those.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: Things where you you know, you you think that just
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: because you know, somebody signs this this big contract that
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: they're gonna come in and they're gonna just make this
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: immediate impact on the team, and it doesn't always work
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: out like that. So I'm just glad to see that,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: like finally, even though he's he's not the vintage hobby
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: of of old because you know, injuries and all that things,
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: and father time catches up with everybody no.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Matter, no matter who you are. But to see him,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: you know, be on what fifth you say and just
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: go outfield. That's just that's cool.
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: Man.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I'm super pumped for the dude, and I hope, I
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: hope it works out for him. So really cool.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a remarkable story on a team full
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: of remarkable stories, yes, and the team itself is a
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: remarkable story to be, you know, spending this much time
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: leading the American League and record and being on top
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: of all the power rankings and all that stuff. And well,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of season left, we'll see what happens, a
• 47:05
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• 47:08
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• 47:30
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