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Bills Win in OT! Ty Dunne Joins & Are the Rams in Trouble? · Not So Fast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Not So Fast with Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz,
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  Speaker 1: where two longtime friends challenge each other on the biggest
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  Speaker 1: sports stories of the day.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Perloff and Paul Patz. Not so fast, my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Not So Fast. I'm Andrew Perloff. He's Paul Patsch.
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  Speaker 3: We've got overtime football, playoff baseball. Who's got it better
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  Speaker 3: than us, Paul?
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  Speaker 4: Nobody. We don't need sleep. Sleep's for wimps. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to talk about the Brewers' victory, the Guardians' win, winless
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  Speaker 4: NFL teams, but we've got to start with Monday night
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  Speaker 4: football going late night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very late.
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  Speaker 3: I want to set a Not So Fast rule on
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  Speaker 3: games like this. 37-34, Bills win in overtime. You're going
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  Speaker 3: to hear a lot of narratives about the Bills and
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  Speaker 3: the Rams. I just want to acknowledge that either team
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  Speaker 3: could have won that game. We're talking about one fingertip
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  Speaker 3: blocking a field goal.
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  Speaker 2: So don't read too much in the fact that Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: won and L.A.
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  Speaker 1: Lost.
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  Speaker 4: And you are a sports writer.
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  Speaker 2: You've written sports.
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  Speaker 4: You know how the sports writers who were at the
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  Speaker 4: game last night, they write their article whether they win
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  Speaker 4: one way or the other team wins. So, like, this
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  Speaker 4: coin flip could have gone either way, and we'd be
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  Speaker 4: talking about, oh, the Rams are back, settled everything down,
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  Speaker 4: all is well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the Rams, their problem now, they are 2-3,
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  Speaker 2: so home field is going to be tough.
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  Speaker 3: But I thought they played well. Both teams have flaws,
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  Speaker 3: but they're both Super Bowl favorites.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know which. Is there either team that you
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  Speaker 2: look at last night that you were really worried about something?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it was a slow start for both teams. The
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  Speaker 4: other one really got rolling in the second half and
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  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter is awesome. The passing game for the
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  Speaker 4: Rams was fantastic. Puka Nakua is uncoverable.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing.
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  Speaker 4: He was targeted 24 times, 17 catches. He's a sure thing.
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  Speaker 4: And everything happened in the fourth quarter. Now, the Rams,
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  Speaker 4: they didn't run the ball much at all, and they
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  Speaker 4: don't have a quarterback who can run. So that would
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  Speaker 4: be the thing that bothers me about the Rams going forward,
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  Speaker 4: the lack of running game when they have two good
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  Speaker 4: running backs.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And, yeah, obviously they scored 34 points, easily could have
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  Speaker 3: won the game. I want to get into a question
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  Speaker 3: about the late-game time management. So Sean McVay, at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the game, third and five, decides to run
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  Speaker 3: the ball into the line. That leaves them a 40-something-yard
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  Speaker 3: field goal that they missed. McVay, after the game, regretted
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  Speaker 3: that decision to run the ball there. Their offense looked great,
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  Speaker 3: Puka Nakua uncoverable, and yet they did a conservative play.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have a problem with that?
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  Speaker 4: I did because he does not have a great kicker.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't have a Brandon Aubrey, a Justin Tucker from
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  Speaker 4: five years ago, whoever you want to say, Cam Little.
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  Speaker 4: Harrison Mevis already had a miss. And the other one,
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  Speaker 4: the block kick is not on him. It's on the blocker.
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  Speaker 4: But that's a situation where I would trust my offense
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  Speaker 4: more than my kicker. I'd try to get 10 more yards.
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  Speaker 4: Why not?
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  Speaker 2: All right, let me give you a theory.
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  Speaker 3: I think Sean McVay was a little spooked by a
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  Speaker 3: few things. I think he watched football yesterday. And he
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  Speaker 3: saw Cam Scadaboo in the same situation fumble the ball
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  Speaker 3: for the Giants when they're trying to improve their field
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  Speaker 3: goal position.
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  Speaker 2: Then he saw the Bills.
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  Speaker 3: fumble away a chance to hit a field goal as
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  Speaker 3: well when James Cook just fumbled.
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  Speaker 2: I think coaches are spooked generally in the NFL. They
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to do the end of the game anymore.
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  Speaker 4: And I get what you're saying. I'm going to back
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  Speaker 4: up this warm take by you. He had the chance
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  Speaker 4: to watch football on Sunday and saw how these games
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  Speaker 4: played out, or he watched the highlights of it. All right,
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  Speaker 4: let's see what he had to say. Here is Sean
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  Speaker 4: McVay after the game blaming himself and maybe another person
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  Speaker 4: or two.
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  Speaker 1: In the kicking game, especially with our PAT field goal
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  Speaker 1: not even close to good enough, it cost us the
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  Speaker 1: game tonight. Yeah, I'm going to evaluate everything.
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  Speaker 5: With the third and five play, was there anything?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: If I would have known.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I wish I would have had a better play call
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  Speaker 1: and gone for it. Got it a lot tighter. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sick right now with myself. Um, and I'm so proud
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  Speaker 1: of that group. Um, you know, this is the, this
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  Speaker 1: is the tough part of sports, but I'm proud of
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  Speaker 1: that team. I'm proud of the way that we battled
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sick that we came up short and, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'll be, uh, I'll be regretting, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kicking that and not having a better call to be
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  Speaker 1: able to go for it on third down and go
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  Speaker 1: to fourth or whatever it was. And, um, That's on me.
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  Speaker 1: This is the one.
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  Speaker 6: This stings.
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  Speaker 1: And it's going to hurt, but we can't afford to
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  Speaker 1: let it. We can't let this team beat us twice.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to have to regroup and reset ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been a while since I've been this pissed
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  Speaker 1: after a game, too.
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  Speaker 4: I think this is a really interesting clip from a
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  Speaker 4: couple angles. The fact that he, in the moment, not
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  Speaker 4: a day after the game, says, I made the wrong call.
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  Speaker 4: I crossed on myself, which backs up your point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, also, by the way, I forgot.
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  Speaker 3: You know one of the reasons that Jaden Daniels might
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  Speaker 3: have let the clock run out in the Commander's Giants game?
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  Speaker 3: Because there was somebody on the Washington coaching staff who
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  Speaker 3: thought maybe we can get five.
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  Speaker 2: Yards on the next play and have a better lie
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  Speaker 2: for the field goal.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's hard. We rip the coaches if
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  Speaker 3: the game goes one way, and we praise them. But
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  Speaker 3: it could have gone, anything could have happened. They could
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  Speaker 3: have fumbled the ball just like the Bills did.
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  Speaker 4: It does feel like it's analytics versus gut. Sean McVay
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  Speaker 4: probably uses analytics 90% of the time, and he probably
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  Speaker 4: used it here. He probably was told, okay, run it
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  Speaker 4: up the middle. You set up your guy for a
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  Speaker 4: field goal, which... here comes Greg Rousseau, not so fast.
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  Speaker 4: It didn't work out. The other thing I loved about
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  Speaker 4: this clip by Sean McVay, he specifically blamed his kicker
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  Speaker 4: and his kicking game. I don't think you do that
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  Speaker 4: with a middle linebacker. I don't think you do that
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  Speaker 4: with a quarterback or any position player. But I think
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  Speaker 4: with a kicker, this is not going to go over
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  Speaker 4: that well, but I don't think coaches and players look
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  Speaker 4: at kickers and punters as coaches, as players. They look
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  Speaker 4: at them as part of the team, an important cog,
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  Speaker 4: but like, They're a kicker. It's like we did all
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  Speaker 4: this work and the kicker blew it.
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  Speaker 2: I totally agree.
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  Speaker 3: And also, too, the kicker looks shaky all night long.
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  Speaker 3: Every time they cut to him on the sideline, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: are you sure that this guy's got it in him
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  Speaker 3: to hit the game winner? So, by the way, this
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  Speaker 3: happened in the Niners a couple years ago. There are
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  Speaker 3: teams that are awesome on both sides of the ball
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  Speaker 3: but cannot get their special teams fixed. And it's been
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  Speaker 3: several years for the Rams. I worry this is their
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  Speaker 3: Achilles heel.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's get to the Bills side of this.
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen passed for 210, ran for 121. Not a
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  Speaker 4: big surprise there. Their kicker missed an extra point. They
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  Speaker 4: got it done a little more on defense, but they
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  Speaker 4: didn't stop Matt Stafford at any point in the game.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't stop Puka. How do you feel about the
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  Speaker 4: Bills with the win? Whether they won or lost, how
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  Speaker 4: do you feel.
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  Speaker 2: About the Bills?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like this is the same Buffalo Bills team
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  Speaker 3: we've been watching for five years. The same team that
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  Speaker 3: let the Chiefs go down and score with 13 seconds left.
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  Speaker 2: There's no defense, and there's Josh Allen's legs.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, of that 210 yards passing, a
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  Speaker 3: big chunk of that was the overtime reception.
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  Speaker 2: So I just think that they rely.
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  Speaker 3: So much on him to be Superman. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if that formula is going to get them where they
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  Speaker 3: want to be. Because the only thing left to do
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  Speaker 3: right now, and we're going to hear this later from
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  Speaker 3: Scott Van Pelt, the only thing left to do is
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  Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But the Bills, though, they do have a running game,
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  Speaker 4: but then James Cook fumbles twice. The same guy punched
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  Speaker 4: out the ball twice. They kind of recovered their own.
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  Speaker 4: And then they have Greg Rousseau, who's a very good
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  Speaker 4: defensive end. But they don't have anyone else to go
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  Speaker 4: with him. They don't have the defensive backs that they
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  Speaker 4: had 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's injuries all over the backfield. Totally.
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  Speaker 4: But they keep teams in game so often. They have
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  Speaker 4: so few clean wins where it's like 35 to 10.
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  Speaker 4: You just don't see those.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we're going to talk to Ty Dunn from Go
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  Speaker 3: Long TD, who covers the Bills closely. My question is,
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  Speaker 3: whatever was wrong with Sean McDermott as head coach, have
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  Speaker 3: they really fixed that with Joe Brady?
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  Speaker 2: Because it doesn't look like it. The Bills are good.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. They're 4-1 against a tough schedule.
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  Speaker 2: That's all good.
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  Speaker 3: But have they figured out things that have kept them
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  Speaker 3: from winning a Super Bowl? And last night, even with
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  Speaker 3: a win, I'm not so sure.
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  Speaker 4: And you've said this before. Josh Allen cleans up everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: When a play breaks down, Matthew Stafford's not running. Aaron
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  Speaker 4: Rodgers isn't running. Kirk Cousins barely runs anymore. Those guys
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  Speaker 4: are statues. But when Josh Allen rolls out to his left,
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  Speaker 4: it's over. And we're going to talk more about him
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  Speaker 4: as a runner, but He's not going down. He could
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  Speaker 4: have gone down five yards earlier. He was already well
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  Speaker 4: past the first down line when he did this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here's the problem, though, Paul. Again, we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about mobile quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: Mobile quarterbacks always win in the regular season, but they
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  Speaker 3: don't win in the playoffs because you can scheme against them.
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  Speaker 3: And the Rams, obviously, whatever the meeting was, what are
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  Speaker 3: they going to do about Josh Allen's legs? Everyone skipped
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  Speaker 3: that because they had no plan last night. He did
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  Speaker 3: whatever he wanted.
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  Speaker 2: And I get it. He's hard to stop. But how come, again,
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  Speaker 2: why doesn't that get them to the Super Bowls? This
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  Speaker 2: is it.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Let's get to helmet stickers for Monday Night Football. You
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  Speaker 4: want to go first?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go with the Bills offensive line.
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  Speaker 3: I know that this is supposed to be an individual award,
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  Speaker 3: but they allowed one sack on the game and had
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  Speaker 3: over 230 yards rushing. So Deion Dawkins and the crew
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  Speaker 3: get my sticker. It's a very good unit, especially, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, James Cook is coming at you and they
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  Speaker 3: still block effectively.
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  Speaker 4: What's the not so fast policy on a helmet sticker
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  Speaker 4: for a player on a losing team? What do we
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  Speaker 4: think on that? Because I was going to go Puka,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm not going Puka because it was a great
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  Speaker 4: reminder game for Puka. Don't forget, I'm as good as
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  Speaker 4: anybody in the league. Greg Rousseau, we talked about to him,
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  Speaker 4: the very good defensive lineman for the Bills. Him blocking
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  Speaker 4: that kick in overtime was fantastic. Usually you don't see
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  Speaker 4: star defensive players also on special teams. Sometimes they take
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  Speaker 4: those guys off in those situations. Great job by him.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what's interesting about him? He's the guy.
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  Speaker 3: They need somebody this year to step up and be
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  Speaker 3: a factor on defense. And Greg Russo, who I think
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  Speaker 3: he was a first-round pick, he's finally delivering to be
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  Speaker 3: that guy. You know, you can have a team. It's
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  Speaker 3: like the Lions with Aiden Hutchinson. You need at least
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  Speaker 3: one guy. And right now that's all they got.
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  Speaker 4: And they need Miles Garrett back. The Rams sure do.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's get to baseball last night. Brewers over
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  Speaker 4: the Dodgers 7-4. The Brewers are now up 2-0 in
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  Speaker 4: that series. They knock out Yamamoto. It's funny that my
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  Speaker 4: warm take yesterday is that Yamamoto for the Dodgers, he
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  Speaker 4: goes deep into the games and helps the team. It
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  Speaker 4: went the opposite last night. They worked Yamamoto. He was
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  Speaker 4: at 75 pitches in the second inning, including Jake Bowers,
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  Speaker 4: a 12-pitch at-bat to get a walk and load the bases. Now,
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  Speaker 4: usually walks, a guy fighting for a walk is not
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  Speaker 4: that awesome. This changed the entire game. This has just
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  Speaker 4: fallen off, fallen off, fallen off. And working the count
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  Speaker 4: with Yamamoto, he helped knock him out in the second inning.
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  Speaker 4: The Dodgers now have to go to their very good
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  Speaker 4: bullpen and use seven different pitchers. But that set the tone.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing that set the tone is the Brewers'
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  Speaker 4: second through fifth hitters, eight hits, seven RBI last night,
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  Speaker 4: great win for them.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the issue with this.
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  Speaker 3: Usually the formula is you wear out the starter by
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  Speaker 3: taking pitches.
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  Speaker 2: That's what the Dodgers do.
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  Speaker 3: But now in today's baseball, the bullpens are so good
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  Speaker 3: that teams don't care.
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  Speaker 2: Like, wear us out. You know, we have the Miz.
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  Speaker 3: We'll take him out in the fifth inning and put
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  Speaker 3: in our bullpen. The Dodgers can't touch Milwaukee's bullpen. So
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  Speaker 3: they usually wear out the starter and they have, they've
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  Speaker 3: totally gotten to the starters, but it makes no difference
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  Speaker 3: because they can't touch the bullpen.
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  Speaker 4: And it felt like a win. You saw the Brewers
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  Speaker 4: players when they went to break, when Yamamoto gets pulled,
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  Speaker 4: they were like, That's hard to do. He doesn't get
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  Speaker 4: pulled in the second inning.
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  Speaker 3: Right, but the opposite, though, the trend in baseball is
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  Speaker 3: that you don't want to get to the bullpen now.
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  Speaker 2: Guys can't hit bullpen. The Dodgers' bullpen is not as
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  Speaker 2: good as Milwaukee's.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, basically, I think Milwaukee's, they're strong favorites to
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  Speaker 3: win it all now, or at least they're favorites.
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  Speaker 2: What is going to be the number one factor? Their bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: where the Dodgers' bullpen has not stepped up.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, one of the big topics of the postseason, especially
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  Speaker 4: for the Dodgers, is Shohei Otani hitting. 150 in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: In the 2025 playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: He was walked 17 times and nine intentional walks. They
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  Speaker 4: didn't want him getting a swing off. Now it's like
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  Speaker 4: he's chasing pitches. He's fouling things off all over the place.
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  Speaker 4: He has become a detriment to his team the past
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  Speaker 4: two weeks. Is he benchable?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, yes. Really?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I would bench him in a second.
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  Speaker 4: How would you do so if you're Dave Roberts? How
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  Speaker 4: do you do that with the best hitter on the planet?
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  Speaker 2: Say, Shohei, here's the bench.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's already moved him down in the lineup. That
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  Speaker 3: was a pretty radical move. And he's obviously not healthy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the bicep or the knee.
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  Speaker 3: Something's wrong with Shohei, so try something else. Your offense
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  Speaker 3: is so impotent right now. They can't get anything going.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder, though, if it could blow up in your face.
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  Speaker 4: If somehow you bench Otani, and in that game you
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  Speaker 4: hit even less, which is not possible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 3: What's the downside here? Shohei does not look threatened. He's
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  Speaker 3: hit one homer since mid-August.
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  Speaker 4: I know, but I think bailing on someone like that,
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  Speaker 4: you can't expect him to take himself out of the game.
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  Speaker 4: Stars don't do that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he has actually said that I told the manager
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  Speaker 3: to put me down in the lineup, so he's headed
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  Speaker 3: that direction.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you keep going down, eventually you're out.
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  Speaker 3: Why not try the young kid, DePaula, give him three
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  Speaker 3: at-bats and then pinch-hit show?
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  Speaker 2: Something, some kind of spark.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the pinch-hit thing is interesting, but we're going to
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  Speaker 4: see how that plays out tomorrow night. But Otani, it
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  Speaker 4: is fascinating because last year in the playoffs, They were
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  Speaker 4: just parking him at first base. They're like, we don't
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  Speaker 4: want this guy anywhere near a quality at-bat.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. Who would have predicted this? In fact, the
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  Speaker 2: whole Dodgers lineup is disappointing. All right.
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  Speaker 3: We have a lot more football and baseball to get to.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up next, let's talk a little Arch Manning. Steve
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: Tarchese steps up for his quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Do you agree with him? That's next. Not so fast.
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  Speaker 1: Oof.
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers. You would keep him in there.
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  Speaker 4: I think I would because play the odds of him
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  Speaker 4: breaking out. The odds of him breaking out because... I
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  Speaker 4: bet against him. Back on Not So Fast, passing Pearl
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  Speaker 4: off here. Here's a little coffee for you. A little espresso,
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  Speaker 4: as they say. Billy Contreras, he is having no problem
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  Speaker 4: with the Dodgers pitching. Whatever pitchers they bring in, he's raking,
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: as they say. High socks, got to love it.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Does he go by Billy?
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: He does not.
• 12:52
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: Good friends call him Bill. But William Contreras dominating. A
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: lot of energy. Big energy guy. Big clubhouse guy.
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I feel like all the brewers are like
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: this right now. They're all big energy guys.
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: They're all gritty and gutty?
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels like that's like a team. They
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: all love each other.
• 13:06
  Speaker 4: You said, I want to get you on record. You're
• 13:08
  Speaker 4: not saying this one's done, is it?
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: Are you? Oh, yeah, yeah. No, this is done. Dodgers
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: are done.
• 13:12
  Speaker 3: The Dodgers at the plate have no life whatsoever. I
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: don't know how you resuscitate.
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: So you're judging it more so by their performance. You
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: don't say done.
• 13:20
  Speaker 6: As compared to what?
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I guess historically you stay with the Dodgers because
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: of the talent on the roster.
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you see the talent is not delivering at all.
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: And that lineup just doesn't feel scary right now. Without
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: Shohei being Shohei and without really Mookie Betts being scary—
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: Who is really freaking you out? Is Kiki Hernandez going
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: to show up all of a sudden and save the
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: day like he usually does?
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: Possibly. But I think the bats have been dead for
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: a while.
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: A little bulletin board material from Dave Roberts. He's going
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: to say, hey, guys, look what Pearl said about you.
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: Not so fast. All right, it's time for warm takes here.
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: Let's get some warm takes going. I'm going to go first, Pearl.
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: Let's warm it up in here just a little bit.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: Here we go.
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen may go down as the greatest running quarterback
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: of all time, which is interesting because he's not a
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: running quarterback. He's a quarterback who runs. He is not
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: that far behind guys like Mike Vick, Cam Newton, and
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson on the all-time rushing list. I prorated his numbers.
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: It's a big word, prorated. But he needs about five
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: more seasons to be in that 6,000-plus yards. Now, Lamar
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: Jackson is still playing, so he'll up that number. My
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: guess is Josh Allen will finish second all-time in quarterback
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: rushing yards. He is going to be first all-time in
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: quarterback touchdown runs. He right now is in the top
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: 20 of career touchdown runs, and that's including running backs.
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: He's going to be up there. Based off his pace,
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: especially his recent pace with quarterback sneaks at the goal line,
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: he will be top five in rushing touchdowns in NFL
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: history with running backs, not just quarterbacks. But what's interesting
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: is no one calls him a running quarterback. They call
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: him a quarterback. He also runs very well. I saved
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: that term running quarterback for guys like Vic who ran first,
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: passed second. Cam Newton, for a big chunk of his career,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: was run first, and then he became a great passer
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: for a couple years before he was injured. I go
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: back to a guy named Randall Cunningham. Randall Cunningham started...
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: from your Eagles pro-off, as a runner, and then he
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: became a great passer, and he became, for a while there, indefensible.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Because when you could pass and run, they got nothing
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: to do. If you look at Steve Young, he was
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: a very good running quarterback, and he was a great
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: passing quarterback. There was a time for about eight years
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: where Steve Young, I thought, was the best player in
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: the entire league, and probably really underrated career-wise. But what's
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: interesting about Josh Allen is he runs a bit recklessly,
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: and when I say a bit, a lot recklessly, and
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: he never gets hurt. He's played 16 or more games
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: every season of his career, except his rookie year when
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: he wasn't starting because they were ramping him up. He
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: said to SVP last night that if he's going to
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: get hit, he wants to initiate the hit and lower
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: his shoulder and hit the defender. He doesn't want to
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: be in that prone position or that layback slide position
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: and get his head taken off. He wants to initiate
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: the hit and control where he gets hit on his body.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Five years ago, you'd have probably said, hey, Josh Allen,
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: stop running. It's working. And they have no way to
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: win without him doing that. But there are some guys
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: in this league who are... Pass first, run as well,
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: like peak Cunningham, peak Steve Young. Josh Allen is in
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: that category now.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you to defend your take here.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: Why is Josh Allen a better running quarterback, I guess,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: than Lamar Jackson?
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: I think he's equal. I think they run differently. Lamar
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: is more slippery.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Lamar's a better runner.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Lamar has more juke in his runs. Josh is
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: like a truck going downhill that you don't want any
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: part of.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: And I would argue Lamar Jackson is catching up to
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: Josh in the passing area. I think Lamar Jackson, if
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: he could ever stay healthy, would have more yards than
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: It is almost like a preference. Which style do you
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: like better? Because Lamar Jackson, he's had 41 passing touchdowns.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but Lamar Jackson's passing yards are going like this,
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: and Josh Allen's, ironically, are kind of going like this.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Last night you saw it, Josh Allen barely threw the
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: ball at all. I think he's redefined himself.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: But again, I get back to this, cannot win the
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Drake May was a great runner last year until it
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: came to the playoffs and everyone game-planned for him.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: I do love that the Bills have a running game
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: besides Josh Allen. I wish they had DJ more healthy
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: because they keep showing shots of him at the sidelines.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: in a polo shirt.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Right, last night they missed these.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: They missed him like crazy.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: But I think, and I argue with our.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Producer Scott Messina about this, come playoff time, you're willing
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: to blow up your whole scheme to stop a running quarterback.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: That's why Josh Allen can't win at the highest level,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: and that's why Lamar Jackson can't win.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: You're not going to do it in a week five
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: inter-conference game.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Are you warm taking me back?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, no, no, I agree with you.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't realize that Josh Allen was that high, but
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know that even being the best running quarterback
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: of all time is going to win you a Super Bowl.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these touchdowns are based off
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: the quarterback sneak and how the quarterback sneak is at
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: the prime. He hawks a lot of quarterback sneak touchdowns
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: at the goal line.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: That's like Jalen Hurts gets a million touchdowns for the Eagles. Right.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I just wonder.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: He might be the best running quarterback of all time
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and not have a ring to show for him, which
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: is interesting.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to college football. Let's talk Arch Manning. Yesterday,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Texas head coach Steve Sarkeesian. said basically if his name
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: was Joe Smith, then nobody would have a problem with
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Arch Manning. Now, I would say 99.8% of the media
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: disagreed with him. I am in that 0.2%. He is
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: absolutely right. There are so many people who comment on
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Arch Manning who do not actually watch Texas football.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: There are so many bigger issues with this team than
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Arch Manning.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Now, did Arch Manning play well in the loss to Oklahoma?
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: No.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Did he make a crucial mistake at the end of
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: the game? Absolutely.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: But I think we put such expectations on a college
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: quarterback when the truth is every college quarterback is flawed. Now,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: the problem with Arch is the hype ball. Everyone expects
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: him to be Peyton or Eli. Maybe, but in college,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Eli wasn't that great, and Payne never won a national title,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: and I believe did not win the Heisman. Arch has
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: done a lot of good things at Texas. They've beat
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of outstanding teams. They beat Ohio State. They
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: won at Tennessee this year. I heard an interesting stat.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: That was the first loss on Saturday on Texas soil
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: for Arch Manning.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: They'd been 11-1 in their last 12 games.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: So he has won. My issues with Texas are much
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: deeper than Arch Manning. Arch is by far not perfect.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: The run game is still terrible. Bruce Feldman from The
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Athletic was on our show yesterday and said they still
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: can't run the ball in Texas. And they spent more
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: money on running backs in O-line than pretty much anybody.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Steve Sarkeesian seems to be having some communication problems with
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: his team, which is unusual because he's been flawless throughout
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: his career as an offensive coordinator. Now all of a
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: sudden his offense is bogged down. So I think Arch
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: has not played like a number one overall pick, but
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: he's not played like a seventh round pick.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: And it seems like everyone goes black or white, Paul.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Remember last year the Athletic called him college football's first
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: major bust? And then what did Arch do? He basically
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: ran off eight wins in a row. So I think
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Arch Manning, the conversation has to slow down. Not so fast.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: He has not been terrible. He certainly hasn't been great.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: But everyone talks about Arch Manning like it has to
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: be Peyton Manning or he's awful. So I think we
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: need a middle ground and we need to be realistic
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: about who this Texas team is.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: That is a great take. I'm going Kornheiser taking off
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: the glasses. There's so many layers to this.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: You go back.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: The media does this to itself and does this to
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: certain athletes. They over-covered Arch Manning in high school because
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: they wanted him to be the next thing. And then
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: when he didn't play at Texas, like, what's wrong with
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Arch Manning? He can't get on the field. You covered him.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: You declared him the best thing since sliced bread. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: then when he doesn't play well, the media who, like
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: you said, barely watches his games, they say he's a
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: bust or not that great. He's doing exactly what he's
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: supposed to do, and he's doing a great player. Eli's
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: junior year at Ole Miss, he was good. He was
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: not great. His senior year, he did really well. The
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: other thing with Arch Manning is he's content. And people
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: use him for clicks. Yes, including us. No, I would
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: say we're giving it proper perspective here. He is a
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: good college quarterback. But I think I said earlier on
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: the Dan Patrick Show, the NFL teams look at him
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: as a Manning family brand. And that brand is a
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: safe pick for the top 10 picks in the NFL draft.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Is he the best quarterback in college football performance-wise?
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: No.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: That's an easy thing to say. Is he not good
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: and not good for his team?
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Anyone who says that clearly isn't watching his games as well.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: He is a very good college quarterback who hasn't gotten
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: over the hump yet. But people in the, not so
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: much the media, but social media, like to use his
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: name and use his to have extreme takes that aren't
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: based off anything.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Let me give you one comparison. Georgia beats Alabama 20-17.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: If Texas had won that game, no matter which side,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: they would have criticized Arch.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: He can only score 20 points. He can only score
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: 17 points.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Keelan Russell did basically nothing in that game, and nobody's
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: criticizing him. Arch is always a magnet for criticism. I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: think it's completely unfair. Now, would I take him number
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: one overall because of what you just said with the brand?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: No, I would not.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: He's not playing that well. He's not processing perfectly. But
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: that being said, you're right. He's not going to fall
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: that far.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I think NFL teams and general managers look at his
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: last name as a safe pick. I go back to,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: and I'm comparing a different position, when Chris Long was
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: the number one pick out of Virginia at defensive end,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: people were like, wow, he's not the best defensive end
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: in college football. But the Howie Long brand and Chris
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Long He had a very good NFL career, Chris Long.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: And some people sign up for that. Because when you're
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: at the draft, it's a bit of a crapshoot. Arch
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: Manning will be drafted in the top ten. I would
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: bet anything on it. And some team is going to
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: be like, well, he may not be great. Eli was
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: not a great NFL quarterback.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Well, remember Eli's draft. He was with Phillip Rivers and
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Ben Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger seemed to have a lot more talent.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: And he fell to 11. Phillip Rivers went four. And
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Eli went one. I'm wondering out loud, Paul, if Arch
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Manning's a top ten pick, why not make him the
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: number one pick?
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Well, it depends which team has number one. We'll get
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: to that. My next warm take, and this goes to, oh,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I've got to go back to this. I'm sorry. This
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: goes back to the debacle at the end of the
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Giants-Commanders game in overtime on Sunday. I'm curious how long
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: this debacle lasts. We spent a lot of time yesterday.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: It's spilling in today, even on this show. Jaden Daniels
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: runs the ball. The clock runs out. The Commanders lose.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: National TV, overtime. Dan Quinn says, blame me. Jaden Daniels says,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: blame them, then blame me, and then himself. But if
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: the Commanders lose their next few games, this is going
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: to be the stamp moment of their season. And they're
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: 1-3-1 right now. They have the Eagles, Rams, and then
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: the Giants again, which makes it even worse. So if
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: they continue to lose, this story is going to get
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: bigger and bigger, and Dan Quinn will suffer for it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: If they win their next two games somehow over the
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Eagles and the Rams, or they have the 49ers as well. 49ers, Eagles, Rams, Giants.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: That's a tough slate. If they somehow beat the 49ers,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: it goes away. But this play now becomes... a badge
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: on Dan Quinn, on Jaden Daniels, and a lost season,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: depending how it goes. And it's ugly. If Dan Quinn
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: gets fired, this will be the first paragraph in his
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: commander's obit because it was that ugly and that easy
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: to consume for the sports fan.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you remember the Giants, Miracle of the Meadowlands, 1978.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: We still talk about that, at least in Philadelphia they
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: talk about it, because it was against the Eagles 45
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: years later. I think this play is historical bad. People
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: know this play forever. The time that Jaden Daniels let
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the clock run out. Now, we did this yesterday. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: personally blame the coaching staff more than the player. But regardless,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I think this is going to last for decades. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: you nailed it. Dan Quinn, when he gets fired, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: it's when, this will be the first sentence.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: It'll be like the B-roll, the thing called B-roll that
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: they show when Scott Van Pelt or DP is talking
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: about Dan Quinn being let go. The first clip that'll
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: be on the screen will be that play.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to stay in the NFL for my
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: second warm take. Let's talk about Dre Greenlaw and the
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: San Francisco 49ers. So, Dre Greenlaw got kicked out for
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: headbutting a player on Sunday. I mean, this was one
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: of the funniest visuals because he's one niner in a
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: sea of Seahawks, and he does not back down.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: The opposite.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: This is typical Dre Greenlaw. He is, in a way,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the bad guy that the 49ers need. Every great team
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: has one character, one bad guy. Now, you saw Dre
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Greenlaw went away last year to Denver.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: San Francisco missed him tremendously. He is not.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Anywhere close to the most talented linebacker on that team,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: it's Fred Warner. But every great dynasty going back for many,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: many years has a bad guy. Let me name some
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: for you, Paul. I'm going to go into different sports.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: James Harrison with the Steelers. I mean, he was the
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: nastiest player. There's no way he could have lasted two weeks.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: In this game.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Vontaze Perfect didn't win exactly. Go back to Jack Tatum
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: with the Raiders.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I think the Patriots during their dynasty, Rodney Harrison played
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: that role a lot. He always got a helmet in
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: there late. But it's even more so in basketball. You
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: have Dennis Rodman. You obviously have Draymond to a large extent.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: You can have all the talent in the world. You
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: need one guy that really instills fear on the other side.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I completely agree. You need one jerk on your roster
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: who doesn't mind being called a jerk. If you stay
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: out in the Bay Area, Bill Romanowski back in the day.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: First ballot.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he would get penalized. He might get kicked
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: out of game.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: But in the long run, I think that helps the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: team more than just a really great cover linebacker. Dre Greenlaw,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: you never know what's going to happen, and he will
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: end up hurting you. But I think living on the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: edge can really help your defense.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: You need one who's not afraid to get fined on
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: behalf of the other team. All right, coming up next,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Ty Dunn will join us of Go Long TD. A
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: lot more on the NFL season. And we're going to
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: talk about the teams that are done, done, done.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Stick around.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: This is not so fast. Yeah, Bay Area, you got Romanowski.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, they had a lot.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: You got Lyle Alzado 100 years ago.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, man.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Draymond Green.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Jack Tatum.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Raiders had all of them.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the entire Raiders franchise.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: There was no nice guy.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Not So Fast. Perloff and Paps, NBC
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Sports Now and Peacock. Breaking down last night's Bills win
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: over the Rams. And again, Not So Fast rule. It
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: could have easily been a Rams win over the Bills.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Let's not draw any conclusions. Right.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: We should do a segment where we break down what
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: if the other side happened. Like, what if the Rams won?
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Let's chop that up for five minutes.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: You know who's really good at this. It's Ty Dunn
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: from GoLongTD.com. Former Packers beat reporter, Bills beat reporter. And
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: you know his long features. Caused some controversy, but a
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: really outstanding performance. Go to golongtd.com for his podcasts and articles. Ty,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I have a question I want to start off the bat.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: You've been covering the Bills. Is this year different with
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: a new coach or is it the same old Bills?
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: I genuinely think it's different, guys. You know, when the
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: hire was made, not just nationally, locally, it was not
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: a popular hire.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: I think one of the local TV stations.
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: It might have been the same one that had sports
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: psychologists on to see how the players are going to
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: cope with Sean McDermott being fired.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: That was a thing.
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: That happened. They did a poll and like single digits
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: percentage of fans approved of the Joe Brady hire. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: when you really get to know Joe Brady and how
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: he's wired, how he thinks the big picture, how he
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: wants the players to attack the moments that we saw
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: last night at SoFi Stadium.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Very different than Sean McDermott.
• 27:28
  Speaker 7: And it's very different where it matters most, the relationship
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: with Josh Allen.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: You know, let me ask you about last night's game.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Let's say it did go the other way and that
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Greg Rousseau does not block that kick. and the Rams
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: get a nice overtime win where they carve up the defense.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: What do you think the reaction would have been in
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Buffalo today?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Panic! Everybody panic, right?
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: That's how it is everywhere in the marathon that is
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: the NFL season. But honestly, a lot of it would
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: be justified. I don't think that those problems are going anywhere.
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: It's not like you can just pluck a cornerback off
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: of the cornerback tree in the waiver wire.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: It's a hard player to find.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: And yeah, the, the, the safety struggled, the quarterback struggled,
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: the line, but everybody outside of like Greg Russo, Dwayne
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: Carter and Dion Walker, it's, It's been a slog for
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: this Bills defense.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: But you know what?
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: I think they kind of knew going into this season
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: with Jim Leonard's scheme, it's much different than Sean McDermott's.
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: The thing is, like, okay, you don't want to just
• 28:22
  Speaker 7: force offenses to go 12, 15 plays and keep everything
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: in front of you. The whole theme of the offseason
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: was attack, attack, attack, get the ball back to Josh Allen.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: It was weird then to see them not really blitzing,
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: not really pressuring and taking those kind of chances because
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: Matthew Stafford, when he threw to Puka Nakua 24 times,
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: did whatever the hell he wanted. On top of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: James Cook fumble, that's been.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: A problem for him.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: But you know what?
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen, if he is uninhibited, if he is allowed
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: to think clearly and treat the field like it's his backyard.
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: I mean, everybody has said that about him that I've
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: talked to for years and years. Don't get in his head.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: The greatest artist. Don't tell Dave Chappelle. Don't swear. Swearing
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: is off limits.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: No.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: Let Josh Allen be Josh Allen. That's what you saw.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: And he can make problems go away.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Ty, a lot of quarterbacks slow down their running as
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: their career goes on. I don't see that with Josh Allen.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Paul had a take at our last segment. He might
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: go down as the greatest running quarterback of all time,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: him and Lamar Jackson right there.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Any risk with running?
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: It feels like he's impervious to injury, but that is
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: usually the case with running quarterbacks.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great question, and it's one that the
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Bills have had every year, right, since they've drafted Josh Allen.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: When should he slide?
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: When should he step out of bounds? There's times where
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: the coach's voice or the GM's voice gets a little
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: louder and you start to wonder, OK, how is this
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: going to affect his play style? And I think that's
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: why I really loved the Joe Brady hire is he
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: he knows that the organization has to funnel through Josh Allen.
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: He is the center of everybody's universe. And you don't
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: want to get in his head. And there's been times
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: in Josh Allen's career where you can maybe see a
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: little indecisiveness. Maybe he's starting to tap the brakes here
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: and there and his play style is a little neutered.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: And I don't know, guys.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: It's a worthwhile debate.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: I feel like for the Bills to get to a
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl, you need Josh
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: Allen in full. You need him running through linebackers and
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: stiff arming and hurtling.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: And you know what?
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: If it cuts his career short, so be it. He
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: might not be that Matthew Stafford operating from the pocket
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: and winning MVPs at 38-39. But I sat down with
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen this summer, and we talked about that Denver game.
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: The big mistake at the end of the first half, right?
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: So foolish.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: It's the kind of play we've seen from him throughout
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: his career. And he said, quote, I'm going to play
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: football how I know how to play it until I can't.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: And when I can't play it the way I want
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: to play it, it's probably when I'm done. But hopefully
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: that's still quite some time. He's not going to change,
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: and I don't think he should.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Ty, I agree with that because I remember they
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: tried to get Michael Vick to stop running, and when
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: they stopped running, he was easier to defend. Cam Newton,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: now he got hurt, but right after his MVP season,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: they said, hey, can you run a little less? You're
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: too valuable. He stopped being threatening. Let me go into
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: the AFC overall. If you were running the Bills, your
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: team that you'd be most concerned, I know it's obvious,
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: the Chiefs, but it Is it the Chiefs versus the
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: field as the team you're most concerned about in the AFC?
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: Man, that's a great question because I'm tempted to say
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: Baltimore and Lamar and Henry, but you know what? They
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: beat the Ravens in the playoffs. They haven't beaten the
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: Kansas City Chiefs, I think, until proven otherwise. It's Andy Reid.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: It's Patrick Mahomes.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: It's psychologically getting over that hurdle, and that's why they
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: made the move. It's probably three, four years too late,
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: 13 seconds late, Could have done it. I mean, it
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: was that damning of a loss and the head coach's
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: fingerprints were all over that one. But eventually they made
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: the move and they want to be in attack mode
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: on both sides of the ball on paper in theory.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: And you can't be afraid of the Chiefs. I think
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: it's a remade Chiefs team. And honestly, as great as
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: Patrick Mahomes has been, Kenneth Walker has completely changed the
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: dynamic of things out there.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: All right, Ty, two teams you know very well are
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the Packers and the Bears. Now, if the Bears could
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: have a mulligan, do you think they would avoid giving
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: so much bulletin board material at Green Bay? Or am
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I overestimating the emotional impact of the lead-up to this
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: game as the Packers blew them out on Sunday?
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think they regret a thing.
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: And they shouldn't, right?
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, the Bears have been the little brother for
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: a generation. Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: This team has owned the Bears. That's what Aaron Rodgers
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: screamed at the fans. So I love what Ben Johnson's done, right,
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: to stand in that locker room after that playoff game
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: and say F the Packers, which, by the way, for
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: an owner who didn't want any swearing at hard knocks
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: once upon a time, Ben Johnson is taking control of
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: that entire operation. They are built in his image. In
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: every possible way. So, yeah, I think that there is
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: a belief that comes from that. In latent games, they
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: believe they're going to make that play. You saw it
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: all last year. So I don't think they regret a thing.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: But you know what?
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: I give the Packers a lot of credit for punching back.
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: Because I sat down with Javon Bullard in the spring
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: down in Milledgeville, Georgia's hometown, and it was kind of
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: music to the ears. You very rarely hear the Packers
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: speak in these terms.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: He's like, damn, Chicago. I hate their coach. I hate
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: their team.
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: I like their food.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Their food's pretty good. But I hate everything about the Bears.
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: And I feel like they tried not to do a
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: lot of talking the week of the game, and then
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: they won, and then more of that truth came out. Hey,
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: you got to fight fire with fire. So when the
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: Packers and Bears hate each other, Everybody wins.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: Everybody wins. I grew up in Chicago, and I spent
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: a lot of time in Green Bay, especially at the draft.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Green Bay is less of an F-bomb place. Chicago, more
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: likely to throw one out there casually. All right, before
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: we let you go, since you brought it up, we
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: do a thing called Such Thing is a Dumb Question.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Better food town, no pressure because of where you live now,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: Green Bay or Buffalo?
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: Ooh.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I've got to go Buffalo.
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: I've got to go 9-11 Tavern Wings.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: In South Buffalo.
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: If anybody out there is looking for the absolute best wings,
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: you've got to hit up this spot. It's the absolute best.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: Just get a bowl of thin fries, hot wings, three
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: or four Molson's to pass the time while you wait
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: for those wings.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: You'll not be disappointed. What are my health food options
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: in these two towns we're talking about?
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: But Green Bay, Ty, Green Bay, fish fry on Friday nights,
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: you've got to love that. There's some good food in
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Green Bay.
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: They're big on the supper clubs, right? I mean, that's
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: a huge Wisconsin staple.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, Green Bay, I.
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: Don't want to besmirch Green Bay. I lived there five years.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: You know, Republic Chop House, that's always the go-to to
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: interview players. I remember I met up with Eddie Lacy
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: his rookie year for a story, and we ate at
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: Republic Chop House. Eddie, can he?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: He can eat, baby.
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: We forget how good he was those first two years.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Just steamrolling everything in front of him.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Both.
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: All the above. All the above.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Could have been there.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: All right, Ty. Thanks for the time, bud.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to mull that over because I need
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: a good salad, so I don't know if either town
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: is perfect for me.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: But we'll talk to you soon. Thanks for the time.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Hey, thanks a lot, fellas. Anytime.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: See ya.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: That's Ty Dunn, GoLongTV.com. Just interviewed Peter King, by the way,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: his old friend. Very interesting.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: By the way, Paul, you have to answer that same question.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Green Bay or Buffalo? Which do you want?
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I've only been to Buffalo once, and it was one day,
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: and I did try some wings. I don't remember where
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: I went. I trusted a local. But yeah, they were
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: everything you think they're going to be. I like Wisconsin food.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: I'm big on the Friday night fish fry, cheese curds,
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: fried cheese curds.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: I could.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Hop those all day.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Do you remember with the Dan Patrick show, we went
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to Milwaukee.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Todd Fritz threw out the first pitch.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: All I know is we got off the plane and
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: someone handed us a bag of cheese curds about this big.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And we proceeded to eat them all.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: It's like a lay in Honolulu. They just give you
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: cheese curds at the local airport.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Awesome. All right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, we have the Clip Joy. We'll hear
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: from Scott Van Pelt, Ross Tucker, and much more.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: That's next. Not so fast.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Green Bay. I was in Madison once, and I
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: put on like seven pounds in a weekend.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that sounds about right. That tracks.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, Madison is dangerous in a good way.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I've never heard it before. Why do
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: you think it may be Buffalo's year?
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it is, man.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: The defense is so banged up, and they've got talent
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: up front. But it just felt like every other play,
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: someone was walking off the field. I think with Josh,
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: that's the only thing left, right? I mean, he's living
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: in that space where we're going to be entertained, certainly,
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: between now and Valentine's Day when they play in this
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: stadium again, whoever it might be. But the only thing
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: he can do at this point is check that box.
• 36:50
  Speaker 8: Got to get to a Super Bowl.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Back on NSF with Pabst and Perloff. That is Scott
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Van Pelt, our buddy SVP. impromptu appearance on the Dan
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Patrick show from the passenger seat of an SUV on
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: the 405 going to LAX.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, was he in the front seat or the back seat?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I couldn't tell. He looked like he was in the front.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Front seat. He's 6'5. He's a lanky fella. Possibly 6'6.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: He's definitely a front seater.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Stanford Steve driving. Was that clear at all?
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Almost guaranteed.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, that was great. And I, by the way,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: agree with him. I stole that line earlier.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: That's all that's left for Josh Allen. So if we're
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: going to talk bills, that's all I really want to
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: talk about is are they going to win a Super Bowl?
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I guess the comparison, I think would be John Elway,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: where the physical abilities, no doubt. Now, John Elway went
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: to three Super Bowls before he won his two.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Got killed in all three.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: He got smoked, but you do get credit for making
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Super Bowls, I think. Like, Josh Allen's career, would he
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: be better off if he was like John Elway and
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: went 0 for 3? Now, I'm checking myself because 0
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: for 3 after 0 for 4 with the Bills... it
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: would be even worse.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Well, Jim Kelly 0-4.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is, would Josh Allen's career be in
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: better shape now?
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: No, I think he'd be in better shape by going
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl. Last year, with no Mahomes in
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: the playoff field, quarterbacks like Bo Nix and Drake May
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: were in their second and third years. He has to
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: make it last year. To me, I think when they
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: look back at this whole thing, there's going to be
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: two real blown opportunities here. the 13-second game against Kansas City,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and they almost put Mahomes out. And last year, I
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: still am not quite sure why they didn't make it.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: You know, I still think about this. I worry sometimes
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: for players' legacies, which is weird because they're not worried
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: about me. Either Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, odds are,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: will not win a Super Bowl.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: No. Just on the odds. Yeah, and you could throw
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow into that conversation.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Joe Burrow.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Because he's in the AFC as well.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Josh Allen's worried about you.
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit, here and there. All right, here's
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: another one. Ross Tucker, our buddy from CBS Sports, was
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: back on the DP show today. Love to chop it
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: up with Ross. And Ross talked about the Chargers and
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: the Justin Herbert situation.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: No Ladd McConkie, no Quinton Johnston. Trey Harris gets hurt
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: during the game. He's basically playing with college kids blocking
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: for him and third and fourth string receivers. That said,
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: he's turning the ball over too much. He does not
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: look overly comfortable playing. in Mike McDaniel's offense. It's really
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: fascinating because I think a lot of people were really
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: fired up about the Chargers this year, really fired up
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: about Justin Herbert working with Mike McDaniel, and so far
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: it's gone about as poorly as it could possibly go.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I love the perspective because the reality is the things
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: around Justin Herbert are not good.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and most people don't have that perspective. They watch
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: a highlight or they see a game and they don't
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: know who's on the offensive line. And it's understandable. You
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: can't chop up the Chargers and look at their depth
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: chart before the game. But knowing what he's dealing with
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: in the new offense. That said, It's gotten to the
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: point where when Justin Herbert got the ball back last
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: week in the fourth quarter down, I was like, well,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: this isn't going to work out.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: No.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: And that's not a good sign because your reputation is
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: what perceives you.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And there was a fumble where an offensive lineman's foot
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: kicked up. There's always bad luck with the Chargers. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: in the past, the bad luck's come in the playoffs.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Now it's coming early.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: All right. Next, from the DP show, Marvin. Love this.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Came on earlier today and had an interesting take on
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Eli Manning and the Hall of Fame.
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: Eli's going to be– and eventually he'll get into the
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: Hall of Fame.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: It's going to take a while, but– No, he'll get in.
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  Speaker 5: He'll get in.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: Because of one last name.
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  Speaker 2: That did help him.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, Brady.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you were talking about the Manning name.
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: No, no, Brady's the last name that gets him in.
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: If he beats Roethlisberger, we're not really having a discussion.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Wait, you think if he wins two Super Bowls and
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: they're not against Tom Brady, he's not getting into the
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame?
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: He's not.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: Okay. I think if he beats Roethlisberger and Rivers– And
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: not Tom Brady twice?
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: That was a warm take by him. I like how
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: he packaged it based off a last name. Not Manning,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: but Brady.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was a great take. I disagree, though.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Slightly disagree.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Slightly, yes.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Because I think two Super Bowls gets you in. Jim
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Plunkett has two Super Bowl wins and is not in.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: His numbers are awful.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: But he should be in.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: I know what you're saying. I can't comp Jim Plunkett
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: because he was a bit of a journeyman. And also,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: there's a point. where he was a top two pick,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: he was a bit of a bust at one point.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: He was number one pick.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Number one pick. So Eli Manning, I think he gets
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: a big boost from the two Super Bowls, specifically against Brady.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Just like Matt Ryan, he has an MVP and almost
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: beat Brady and smoked Brady in the Super Bowls. But
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: that loss now, it's a bigger loss because he lost again.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Matt Ryan's candidacy is interesting because he's got
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: great numbers. All the modern quarterbacks have great numbers. But wait,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: going back, Jim Plunkett is a Hall of Famer. I
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: know because I've seen the film. I don't care what
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: happened early on. He was on a bad team. He
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: came back and won two Super Bowls. You win two
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Super Bowls, you are in. And the fact that Eli
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: didn't get in on the first ballot surprised me, to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: be honest.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I think it was a bit of a message. I
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: think that was a Manning fatigue message by some people
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: in the media or some of the voters, I should say,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: who are a lot of media members. I think they said, well, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: this guy was 117 and 117 as a quarterback. The
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: only thing he ever led the NFL in was interceptions
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: once in his career. Let's make him wait one year.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: They like to do that at the Hall of Fame.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could be right. Marvin does have some truth
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: to this. Beating Brady twice, nobody else beat Brady.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: On your resume, if you say you work for one place, oh,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: you work for this place with this person, it's like
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: a resume boost. All right, let's get to our last
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: clip today. This is Sean Casey, the former great Reds
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: hitter who knows about hitting. Not so much about bad hitting.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: And he talked about Otani, what he's doing wrong, what
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: he's doing right, but mostly the wrong.
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: First off, when I look at Shohei's swing, it just
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: doesn't look like Shohei. I mean, everything is literally going
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: to the right. I mean, it looks like he's pulling out.
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: You know, we call that kind of stepping in the bucket.
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: His butt's going towards the first base dugout. He's kind
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: of just waving that. the pitches so I wonder for
• 42:43
  Speaker 9: Shohei you know right now you know he's not really
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: hitting the fastball upper rail which he does usually better
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: than anybody in baseball and it just seems like to
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: me he's not being able to get on that front
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: side and really drive the baseball so the pitchers they're
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: hitting them with fastballs up he's swinging through them and
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: then they're soft away and he's just kind of waving
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: at it he just looks like he's not healthy to
• 43:05
  Speaker 9: me DP.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I think you bench him. And I'm sorry,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: I'm on the record here. He's not doing anything. I
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: keep hearing this from multiple analysts. His butt is in
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: the dugout.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: So that's not good.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: That seems like baseball jargon. If your butt's in the dugout,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: that can't be a good thing. I looked it up.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: But Sean Casey, again with perspective, people who play, this
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: guy hit. 330 one year. And for him to say,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: here's what I see, it's like, That matches what I
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: see because Otani looks awkward, but he's explaining it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And Sean Casey, top five baseball guests on DP Show,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: top three. He's the man. I love that guy.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Top three DP Show guests you would love to hang with.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: We've hung with him before. It's like hanging out with
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: a blender.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: He's awesome.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: All right, coming up next, constructive criticism and our done-done
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: list for the NFL season.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It's the debut. Stick around.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: Not so fast.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: So not just a done list, a done-done list.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're done, you can come back. If you're done-done,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: it's over, John.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Done-done. Got it.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Butt in the dugout. You don't want that.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: No, that's bad.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: You want to put butts in the seats.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Back on Not So Fast, Perloff, Paps.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: All right, we're through five weeks of the NFL season, Paul,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: and I understand we have a definition here called done-done.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: Now, you're acting like you don't know what it is.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: You and I used to do this back in the
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Leisureman days. These are teams that have no chance at
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: this point, not mathematically, football intuition-wise. So done means bad.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Done-done means it's over. Can we assume... The Dolphins, Titans,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: and Cardinals are done-done.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Beyond done-done.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Beyond done-done.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Three dones.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: All right, they're in the graveyard. The 0-5 Chargers, done-done.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: That means they have no chance.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Now, I think they're better than 0-5, but no, I
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: cannot give them a chance.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not done-doning.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I'm done-doning them because the injuries are just too much
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: to overcome.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: I think the reaction to the poor start makes it
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: feel like they're done-done. The Texans, which they almost beat
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys. They won last week. They are a
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: slightly interesting one and four.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm not even going to give them one done.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I think that they're right in the mix.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars look like they're going to win that division,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: but I think the Texans improve. They lost to some
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: good teams, and Marvin Harrison gives them a little something.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: If they could keep Nico Collins healthy, they would be
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: really dangerous.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Now, here's a team. There's the Texans' schedule. It's a
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: little friendly.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: Boy, London, not that friendly.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not so bad. Not so bad the next four weeks. Okay,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I will go with the New York Jets. Some people
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: like to call them done-done before the season even starts.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: They've been in all these games. They're two and three.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: God, they're done and a half. I mean, come on.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Done and a half. First of all, the Jets do
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: this every year.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: They look bad, then they win a game in a monsoon,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: and everyone's like, well, maybe there's something here.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I do not think they are a good team. I'm
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: going done, done.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Now, we have to figure out the punishment if a done,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: done team, theirs are scheduled.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy with that because the Bills and the
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: Patriots are in the same division.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: And look at, there's just too many good teams in
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the conference. I say done, done. They are not making
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the playoffs and I will stake. Something on that point.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Steak steak on it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: The Saints are 1-4, but they're in the NFC South,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: which means to me they're not done done. They were
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: this lovable story before the season started. Like, hey, look
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: at that team. They're cute with Tyler Shuck.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Done done? Done done.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: They looked good in the beginning of the season, but
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: we should have known their defense wasn't going to be
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: good because they don't have the players. This is a
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: rebuilding team that somehow we convinced ourselves was not a
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: rebuilding team, and now they're playing like it again.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Now they could be in first place in about a
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: week and a half.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I like Atlanta and Carolina. I mean, Atlanta really should
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: be 3-2. They should have beaten Baltimore with Snoop Huntley.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty confident in this one.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I feel good.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I think New Orleans mainly because of the defense. Shuck
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: is okay, but I just don't think they're a well-rounded team.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: I'm saying Dunn-Dunn. You're not going anywhere near there.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Can't there just because of the math. That is Dunn-Dunn
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: for a Tuesday and not so fast. It's time for
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: constructive criticism. Your feedback, your thoughts, your jabs at us
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: and maybe my shirt. Here we go, Pearl. This is
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: from Eric Jayton. If I'm going to a football watch party,
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: what is the perfect food to bring? I'll go first.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Go ahead.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: If you could come up with a way for you
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: or your significant other to make a seven-layer dip, you'd
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: win the party. Right, Pearl?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I was going seven-layer dip, too.
• 47:04
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: We're like this because we're bros. When you walk in
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: with a seven-layer dip, it's like pulling up to a
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: drag race in like a– I don't know what to
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: compare it to. Now, the problem is people don't like
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: to dip into the seven-layer dip. You've got to break
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: the seal.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you've got sour cream, you've got guac,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: you've got cheese, you have all the food groups. Now,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: the problem is wings are the best football food, but
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you can't bring wings.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: You can bring a tray of wings if you make them.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: That would be right up there. If you somehow unveil
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: a tray of wings, you've got the W.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: They're polarizing, but what's your thought on deviled eggs?
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Just as long as they're not in my house, they'll
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: be fine.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: You don't like deviled eggs?
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Nope.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love me some deviled eggs.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Ross Van Hooten of the Van Hooten says, the best
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: running back-quarterback duo ever. And the FBS that isn't being
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: talked about, maybe he really does hate the Beavers. Oh,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: he's talked about the Oregon State Beaver football, and they're
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: very good. You're on quarterback and running back.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: And wide receiver.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Despite our friend Ryan Leaf, I'm having trouble wrapping my
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: head around the Pac-12, Paul, so I'm going to let
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: you jump in here.
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Pac-12, the Pac-8, whatever it's called these days,
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: but we will give a little love to Oregon State.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: Good uniforms. Always good uniforms. Pretty decent football. All right,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: that is constructive criticism for the day. It's time to
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: finish off this great episode of Not So Fast with
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: The feel good.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: Pearl, here we go.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: We like this one a lot. This is getting a
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: lot of buzz on the social medias. This is Coastal
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Carolina University. This is their uniforms for this Friday night.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Inspired by the 90s, clearly. Inspired by the fresh Prince
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: of Bel-Air and Saved by the Bell. Your thoughts?
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I think the 90s was a low point in uniforms.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: There was way too much aqua and I don't even
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: know what that off blue color that the Carolina Panthers had.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: I think these uniforms are both ugly and fantastically nostalgic simultaneously.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we get into this a lot. I'm
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: a classic guy. I like Penn State's my number one,
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Give me simple colors. I don't need all
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: this glitz and glamour.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: But if you go back and look at the Vancouver
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Grizzlies outfits from the 90s, look at them again. Now,
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: I feel bad for the play-by-play person trying to figure
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: out the numbers from play to play.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: No, I understand. It's cool to see. But did you
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: like that era? Everyone's nostalgic for the 90s. I was there.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that awesome.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: We've got to embrace the fact that the 90s are
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: a while ago. I'm bringing Urkel to that game as
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: the official coin flip guy.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: You know, Urkel was actually a really good athlete. good
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: basketball player.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: At Coastal? No. No, just in general.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: Coastal Carolina, technically not on the coast, more coast-ish Carolina.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: Hopefully they'll send one of those jerseys.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe a Mario Lopez.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: Tune in to the Dan Patrick Show tomorrow right here,
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: not so fast, right afterwards. NBC Sports, NBC Sports Now, NBCSN,
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: and Peacock. Enjoy the baseball tonight.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Take it easy.