Latest / SisterSmart Leadership / 28: How Getting Comfortable with Failing Will Get You Into Senior Leadership Roles
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- 0:00Jill Avey: We've been talking the last few episodes about how to push
- 0:02yourself further in your career than you might even think you're capable of.
- 0:06What happens when something doesn't go as planned?
- 0:09Women often take failures hard.
- 0:12And in fact, it can be debilitating and even derail your career if you
- 0:15don't recover effectively from it.
- 0:18I really want you to listen to this entire episode so that you can let go of the
- 0:21mistakes from your past and have a toolkit for the inevitable failures you will
- 0:26encounter along your way in leadership.
- 0:29It does not serve you to hang on to them because each one holds
- 0:32you back in a small way until you intentionally address this issue.
- 0:38I'm Jill Avey, a career success coach, and this is Sister Smart Leadership, the
- 0:43show that explores how women can rise from director to vice president and beyond
- 0:48by fully leaning into their feminine energy as their biggest advantage.
- 0:52Let's get you one step closer to the recognition and promotion you deserve.
- 0:57You might not think you're carrying any regrets on a daily basis, but I assure you
- 1:01they are there draining you of potential until you stop to think them through.
- 1:05So if you've done this work already, congratulations, and if not, give yourself
- 1:09a big hug because you're in good company.
- 1:12We all make mistakes and we all have failures, even big ones.
- 1:16And I want you to celebrate the big ones because it means you've
- 1:19tried something significant and you've learned something new.
- 1:22When I first started my job in the ski business, I'd only skied twice.
- 1:26Congratulations!
- 1:26So I had the privilege of learning how to ski from professionals who'd
- 1:29been skiing their entire lives.
- 1:30And one of the first pieces of advice that I got was if I wasn't falling,
- 1:35I wasn't pushing myself enough.
- 1:37And I've taken this advice throughout my entire career.
- 1:40I see far too many people playing it safe in their careers, even though
- 1:43they have big ambitions and they know they have a lot of potential, yet they
- 1:47stay in jobs too long and they don't take that sort of stretch assignments
- 1:51that are going to get them noticed.
- 1:53They hold back and they don't invest in themselves to get the leadership
- 1:56training that they need to move up and they stay stuck as a result.
- 2:00So let's talk today about what you can do to avoid stalling out in the same way.
- 2:04We cover this topic in depth in the sister smart leadership programs, and I want to
- 2:08share some of what we do with you today.
- 2:10So first let's talk about what types of failure we're talking
- 2:12about here in the workplace.
- 2:14So there could be things like failed projects, you know, you might miss a
- 2:18deadline or have unhappy customers or an unhappy colleague, or maybe your
- 2:23project runs over budget and that's not, people are very happy about that.
- 2:27You might have a product launch that flumped or failed, or worse, it got
- 2:31recalled, or maybe you had somebody complain about you a colleague or a
- 2:36senior leader, or even a direct report.
- 2:38Perhaps you didn't get promoted or maybe you had your manager sour on you.
- 2:43Maybe you got laid off.
- 2:44That can feel like a failure, whether it had anything to do
- 2:47with your performance or not.
- 2:48Maybe you got fired.
- 2:50I can tell you all those things that happened to me sometime in my career.
- 2:53Or maybe you've been the center of a scandal or a lawsuit.
- 2:57I mean, there are many more ways that we can fail in our workplace.
- 3:01So why is it so hard when you have a failure?
- 3:04Why do we do this?
- 3:05This is because we're held to higher standards from the time we enter school.
- 3:10Girls are not allowed to you know, make mistakes as much we get reprimanded
- 3:14more for our mistakes and we don't get the brush it off and get back up
- 3:18kind of advice that little boys get.
- 3:21In addition, We have smaller social networks to draw from
- 3:25when we do have a mistake.
- 3:26So we don't have as many people that can help us to think these
- 3:30things through and to pat us on the back and tell us, good try.
- 3:33You'll do better next time.
- 3:34We're less likely to have somebody talk about it to help us determine
- 3:39what was our fault and what wasn't.
- 3:41And women are warriors.
- 3:43Let's face it.
- 3:44We were more likely to ruminate about things that went wrong for even a very
- 3:50long time, sometimes decades, even.
- 3:52So the mistake that we make is believing that we should therefore stay safe
- 3:57and not push into unknown territory.
- 3:59We think that if we play it safe, That this will lead to
- 4:02more success and happiness.
- 4:04But instead we end up feeling unfulfilled because we know we have
- 4:07potential that's not being used.
- 4:09We see others do bigger things and we know deep inside that we could be too.
- 4:13But still we hold back.
- 4:15You might be asking, okay, how can failure actually help us in our career though?
- 4:21The big thing you learn from failure.
- 4:24One of our members in our Sisters in Leadership community, Leanne Chukowsky,
- 4:28is a neuroscientist at Northeastern University, and we talked about
- 4:32how we can learn more from direct experience than we do from success.
- 4:37So she explained to me, our brains are amazing prediction machines.
- 4:42We are constantly making predictions about the state of the world and
- 4:45the results that would occur if we made different kinds of actions.
- 4:49And so she calls this a different class of neural responses that
- 4:53occur when a result of an action goes not as we predicted it to.
- 4:57For example, let's say if I predicted to get a substantial raise and
- 5:02instead I received a much smaller raise than the expected increase.
- 5:06In this case, my brain would signal a prediction error.
- 5:10So this type of signal is believed to be really important because it helps
- 5:14us learn to make better future actions.
- 5:17And so it sticks with us longer.
- 5:19And even more interesting is that the social context modifies
- 5:22the strength of the signal.
- 5:23Back to our example.
- 5:25When I learned that I didn't receive my expected raise, but my colleague
- 5:28did, this error signal would be stronger than if I experienced a
- 5:32loss without that social comparison.
- 5:34So we want to take two things away from this knowledge.
- 5:37First, it's kind of cool that there's a brain based reason why a public failure
- 5:41often stings more than a private failure.
- 5:43And two, more importantly, our neural hardware has evolved to help us learn
- 5:48from failures so that we can make better decisions in the future, decisions
- 5:51that lead to positive outcomes.
- 5:53So if we respond to the failure by completely avoiding future scenarios
- 5:57that are related to that failure, Then the learning is wasted.
- 6:00It's useful instead to really consider what aspects of the situation could
- 6:04offer useful feedback that could help improve future decisions.
- 6:09And this is why we work in our sisters in leadership program on this.
- 6:13We take a look at what is the internal factor and what are the external factors
- 6:19so we can see what was our responsibility and what was outside of our control.
- 6:23And that way we can know what we can let go of and what we need to learn from.
- 6:27The second thing is that failure is also how we build confidence.
- 6:31In our program, the entire program is designed to develop confidence.
- 6:35But making friends with failure is a big part of this because falling down and
- 6:39getting back up is a really important piece of building our confidence.
- 6:43Once you've gone through a big hardship, then you know that you
- 6:46can go through something like that again and you can recover because
- 6:50you have that experience from it.
- 6:51And women come to confidence more slowly than men do.
- 6:54I've heard anecdotally that it takes women 10 years longer than men.
- 6:58To come to their confidence than men do.
- 7:01And while I don't have research to back that up, it was my experience.
- 7:05And it's also what I see I'm in my coaching business.
- 7:07This also makes sense when you consider how avoiding failure can be contributing
- 7:11to that, because if we stay stuck in perfectionism, we aren't remembering
- 7:16all the things that we did well, as much as we're remembering all the
- 7:19things that we didn't do well, and that perfectionism can kind of fade away.
- 7:22Feed that cycle of trying harder and harder to make everything right, because
- 7:27we don't want to have those failures.
- 7:29But instead if we can really embrace the failure and see it as a learning
- 7:33opportunity, that's going to help us gain that confidence a lot better.
- 7:36When I was writing this episode, I happen to have a coaching call with a client
- 7:40who had a failure recently, and she wanted me to share her story in order to
- 7:44help others who face the same situation.
- 7:46Her division is going through a stressful time and it just got reorged.
- 7:50So reorgs are always hard.
- 7:51But this situation was especially difficult because there's been so much
- 7:55strife for the last several years.
- 7:57My client's only been with the company for a year and has been trying to
- 8:00help turn things around, and she's been making great strides with it.
- 8:03The whole department was together for the first time in many months to explore
- 8:06what this reorg meant for each team.
- 8:09Anxiety was so high during the whole entire meeting, and on day
- 8:12four, My client was told that she had a new role during the meeting
- 8:16with no previous warning to this.
- 8:18She was taken aback and confused about what she would be doing in
- 8:22this new, complicated format, and she voiced her concerns about that.
- 8:25As she spoke, she realized that she should not be saying anything, and she
- 8:30has regretted it ever since because her peer that was rolling out the
- 8:33changes felt put on the spot, even though that was not her intention.
- 8:37She came to our call wanting to talk about how she could bring her better self
- 8:41to this kind of situation in the future.
- 8:44So as we talk, we explored what happened on a physiological level.
- 8:48As the human body experiences stress and anxiety, our reaction is to want to
- 8:52stop that anxiety as fast as possible.
- 8:55And this will cause us to say things before we have time to
- 8:57properly think them through.
- 8:59So, understanding that this physiological response is what is going to happen to
- 9:03us in these kinds of situations is the first thing that we need to do when
- 9:07preparing for a stressful situation.
- 9:09So let me just say here that we are always going to encounter these
- 9:12kinds of stressful situations, especially the higher up you go.
- 9:15So it really makes sense to want to prepare for them.
- 9:18So as we talked, she came up with four powerful messages that she could say to
- 9:22herself when she's failing, anxious to quell the need to speak at that moment
- 9:27because she wanted to give herself time.
- 9:28She wanted to give herself time to really.
- 9:30decide if it was time to speak or not.
- 9:33So the first thing that she decided on was take time to breathe.
- 9:37This always gives us that moment to consider what the best response is.
- 9:42And the second message that she wanted to give herself here was, I don't have
- 9:45power here, but I am not powerless.
- 9:48So this wasn't the time for her to, have any power.
- 9:51The power was in the person's hands that was running the meeting,
- 9:54but she also has power in other circumstances and around the situation.
- 10:00The third thing that she's wanted to say to herself is to look for
- 10:04the person's good intentions.
- 10:06What's positive in this situation?
- 10:08And that helps her to see the person from a different light versus that
- 10:12anxiety feeling that she was feeling and operating more out of her primitive brain.
- 10:17This will help her to switch to more of an empathetic standpoint.
- 10:21And then the fourth thing is a little mantra for her.
- 10:24I see some concerns here, but I want to see how it plays out before I judge.
- 10:29And so her overall takeaway from this situation is that she needs to
- 10:32pay attention to the anxiety in her body and take care of that first.
- 10:37And then she could figure out if she can add value to the conversation
- 10:40without making things worse.
- 10:42So when a client has a failure, I like to take them through some thought
- 10:45exercises that she found valuable.
- 10:47I first had her consider how she could forgive herself for making this mistake.
- 10:52She said, That this might be more of a struggle for her.
- 10:55So we started with compassion instead.
- 10:57She said she could feel compassion for her colleagues, that they were
- 11:01also acting in the same anxious way.
- 11:03And I asked her then to try to apply this same compassion to herself.
- 11:07Often if we start in that mode of feeling the compassion for someone
- 11:11else, that can be a good bridge to be able to apply it to yourself.
- 11:15But that still felt challenging to her.
- 11:17So I had her think about what she would tell her daughter if she had the same
- 11:21sort of situation happen at school.
- 11:23And I loved what she said.
- 11:25It was, the mistake doesn't lessen your talent and worth.
- 11:28It does not change how I believe in you.
- 11:31I know you will use this experience as an opportunity for learning and growth.
- 11:35Isn't that beautiful?
- 11:36So I asked her to apply that to herself.
- 11:38And then we also talked about the internal and external forces in this situation.
- 11:43She was a human being in a room where everyone was anxious.
- 11:47In her brain, her mirror neurons were reflecting everyone else's anxiety and
- 11:52further amplifying her own anxiety.
- 11:55So I gave her the analogy of how on the survivor's show.
- 11:59They put everybody under so much stress that they crack and behave badly.
- 12:03And this makes for good TV, but it makes for bad company meetings.
- 12:07So yes, she's a hundred percent responsible for her own behavior and
- 12:10has a plan to keep her cool next time.
- 12:12But she was also in a situation where she was not set up to be her best self.
- 12:16At the end of our session, I asked her what she was taking from our time.
- 12:20And she said that she was going to approach her peer from that place of
- 12:23forgiveness, compassion, and grace.
- 12:25She will apologize for how she reacted and tell her that she would
- 12:28do her best to make the new plan successful and get the job done.
- 12:32I know that this amazing, talented leader grew by leaps and bounds from this one
- 12:37moment, and by analyzing the situation that we did together, She was able
- 12:41to glean important lessons that will exponentially increase her likelihood to
- 12:45be cool in the face of anxiety next time.
- 12:47While it's uncomfortable as heck for us to go through, as you know now,
- 12:51there is no better way to learn.
- 12:53Renee Brown talks about putting yourself in the ring and daring greatly.
- 12:57She tells the story of running into the quote from Theodore Roosevelt
- 13:00that changed everything for her.
- 13:02And it reads, it is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how
- 13:07the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better.
- 13:11The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is
- 13:15marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and
- 13:19comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or
- 13:23shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who
- 13:28spends himself in a worthy Who at best knows in the end the triumph of high
- 13:33achievement and who at worst, if he fails, at least he fails daring greatly.
- 13:38It is not a question of whether you will fail as a senior later, but when.
- 13:42Life is full of ups and downs and no career takes a path straight to the top.
- 13:47You can look at other people's failure with more compassionate understanding,
- 13:51and this will help you take more risk.
- 13:53So at the end of every episode, I'd like to give you three shifts
- 13:56that you can make today to put what we just talked about into place.
- 14:00So I'd like you to think about first, what is a failure that you've had?
- 14:03I'd like you to just think for a moment and identify one.
- 14:06Second, how can you be compassionate towards yourself about that situation?
- 14:11How can you expand your understanding of both the internal and the
- 14:16external forces in that situation?
- 14:18And give yourself a little more grace.
- 14:20thirdly about what did you learn from this experience?
- 14:23Can you see how that you learn more from that failure than you
- 14:26might have if everything went well?
- 14:28So what's one lesson that you learned from something not going as you liked?
- 14:32Let us know in the comments if you're watching this on YouTube.
- 14:34We'd love to hear about your learnings.
- 14:37If you want to start playing a bigger game and taking more risk, I invite you
- 14:41to consider enrolling in our Sisters in Leadership program where we learn to
- 14:44make friends with failure as one part of our seven step passport to promotion.
- 14:49And if you have a risk that you're considering taking, check
- 14:51out our decision tree framework that's linked in the show notes.
- 14:55It can help you take more risk by understanding which ones are
- 14:57going to have the biggest payoff.
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