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Bonus Episode: Problematic Artists, and Did Life Peak in the 90s? · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we'd like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking
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  Speaker 1: about this week's subject of the disgrace Land full episode,
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  Speaker 1: Alfred Hitchcock talking about problematic artists and our tours cancel culture.
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  Speaker 1: I hate that term, but hey, the nineteen nineties has
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  Speaker 1: peak life. That's another point of discussion, at least if
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  Speaker 1: we're talking music in amazing movies releas during that decade,
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  Speaker 1: and of course we are diving into your voicemails, text
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  Speaker 1: and more, and as always a whole lot of rosie.
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  Speaker 1: All right, discoes, let's get into it. In nineteen ninety six,
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  Speaker 1: Entertainment Weekly ranked Alfred Hitchcock number one in their list
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  Speaker 1: of the greatest directors of all time. It's a fascinating list,
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  Speaker 1: really one where Steven Spielberg does not even crack the
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  Speaker 1: top ten. Behind Hitchcock. In slots two to ten, we
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  Speaker 1: have Orson Wells, john Ford, Howard Hawk's, Martin Scorsese, a
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  Speaker 1: Kiri Kurrosawa, Buster Keaton, ingmer Bergmann, Frank Capra, Federico Fellini
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  Speaker 1: at number ten, and then at number eleven, mister Steven Spielberg.
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  Speaker 1: The reason they have Hitchcock at number one is a
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  Speaker 1: surprising one. It has less to do with the innovative
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  Speaker 1: style Hitchcock created and popularized, and more to do with
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  Speaker 1: his persona as being what they call the quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: quintessential brand director. Interesting phrase there, given the time nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety six, A director who in name and likeness was iconic.
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  Speaker 1: I assume that's what they mean by quintessential brand director.
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  Speaker 1: A director who, in their estimation was everywhere beyond Hitchcock's
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  Speaker 1: incredible films, which were not just creatively genius, but also
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  Speaker 1: they were huge commercial successes. Hitchcock, they mentioned, was rewarded
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  Speaker 1: for his appeal with a TV show that we know
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  Speaker 1: of called Alfred Hitchcock Presents.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't know this.
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  Speaker 1: There was an actual magazine as well called the Alfred
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  Speaker 1: Hitchcock Mystery Magazine. So Hitchcock was everywhere during his reign,
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  Speaker 1: and it seems that because of that sort of like immediate,
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  Speaker 1: big commercial, big iconic status that they're granting him number
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  Speaker 1: one slot on the list. Another Element Entertainment Weekly credits
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  Speaker 1: Hitchcock with for his success. So and I agree with
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  Speaker 1: them totally on this point. Is his point of view.
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  Speaker 1: Hitchcock was one of the first so called tour directors,
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  Speaker 1: a phrase that critics didn't really throw around until the
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifties and the sixties, when Hitchcock was really at
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  Speaker 1: peak Hitchcock. Not only is Hitchcock's point of view overt
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  Speaker 1: in his filmmaking, of course, but even comparatively to some
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  Speaker 1: of the more studio assembly line fair that was being
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  Speaker 1: pumped out at the time as far as films were concerned,
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  Speaker 1: from comparatively nameless and faceless directors, Hitchcock's point of view
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  Speaker 1: was a unique and compelling one, and it's right there
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  Speaker 1: on the screen for all of us to see. As
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  Speaker 1: we detailed in this week's full episode on Alfred Hitchcock.
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  Speaker 1: Hitchcock was the original true crime fan. Okay, he followed
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  Speaker 1: the crimes of the day very closely, and they obviously
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  Speaker 1: influenced him. The ghoulish nature of these events was formative
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  Speaker 1: for him. Heavily influenced his filmmaking. And the thing that
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  Speaker 1: I think is super interesting about Hitchcock myself is that everyone,
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  Speaker 1: everyone that the viewer came in contact with on screen
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  Speaker 1: could be guilty. Now nowhere in his films is this
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  Speaker 1: more impactful than in what I think is his best film,
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  Speaker 1: Rear Window and Rear Window. Not only does the director
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  Speaker 1: make us wonder about the guilt of the seemingly innocent
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  Speaker 1: people on the screen, he makes dirty little voyeurs out
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  Speaker 1: of all of us as well. Case in point, Miss Torso.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 1: I say this just to point out how unique the
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  Speaker 1: guy's point of view was at the time. We know,
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  Speaker 1: if we saw a movie like this now, we wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be shocked. But we've got like fifties plus years of
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  Speaker 1: filmmaking to create this context that is no longer shocking.
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  Speaker 1: But trust me, back when Rear Window came out, it
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  Speaker 1: was a unique story. There's a unique storytelling device the
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  Speaker 1: way that they painted this picture out the window of
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  Speaker 1: Jimmy Stewart's character on screen. Hitchcock made monsters of ordinary
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  Speaker 1: people in off screen. We know Hitchcock's success made a
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  Speaker 1: monster out of him personally, as detailed by his treatment
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  Speaker 1: of Tippy Hedrin in this week's full episode of Disgrace. Now,
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  Speaker 1: none of Hitchcock's behavior toward Hedrin is considered in Entertainment
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  Speaker 1: Weekly's ranking of hitches.
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  Speaker 2: In the number one slot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I should be, as I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: that it was well known back in nineteen ninety six
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  Speaker 1: at the time of this ranking. Then again, I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure that any serious history film buff at the time
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  Speaker 1: would have had some understanding of the director's behavior. But
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  Speaker 1: I can't say one way or another. The question is
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  Speaker 1: where would Entertainment Weekly rank Alfred Hitchcock today? Knowing all
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  Speaker 1: that we now know, I think we can safely say
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  Speaker 1: that Alfred Hitchcock wouldn't even sniff the top five. And
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  Speaker 1: that's because the Entertainment Weekly list is more about perception
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  Speaker 1: in vibes than it is talent. It's first and foremost
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  Speaker 1: about Hitchcock's legacy is a personality as a quote unquote
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  Speaker 1: quintessential brand director, which is understandable. This is Entertainment magazine,
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  Speaker 1: not a scholarly study of film. Perception and Vibes are
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  Speaker 1: Entertainment Weeklies bread and butter, a damn a fish for
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  Speaker 1: liking water. Today's cover, just for reference of Entertainment Weekly,
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  Speaker 1: is a not so great photo of Ben Affleck and
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez and the news on their recent divorce filing.
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  Speaker 1: So Entertainment Weekly today, they're not writing about the directorial
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  Speaker 1: prowess Affleck used for the town in relation to the
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  Speaker 1: Friends of Eddie Coyle, nor is it a study of
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  Speaker 1: the cultural significance of Jenny from the blocks age defying backside. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting off track. You get my point. It's Entertainment
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  Speaker 1: Weekly perception in vibes, Okay, that's kind of what the
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  Speaker 1: magazine's all about. And even going back to nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: six when they make this ranking of directors and they
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  Speaker 1: put Hitchcock in the number one spot. We've always cared
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  Speaker 1: about perception and vibes as a culture that glorifies entertainers.
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  Speaker 1: But somewhere over the last decade, for better or worse,
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  Speaker 1: I believe we started caring more about perception and vibes
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  Speaker 1: than objectifiable facts. If Entertainment Weekly or any other mainstream
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  Speaker 1: entertainment outlet wants to lower Alfred Hitchcock in its estimation
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  Speaker 1: of who the greatest directors of all time are, then
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  Speaker 1: that is their business, but it does and change the
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  Speaker 1: fact that people will forever watch Alfred Hitchcock's movies. His
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  Speaker 1: movies are just too damn good. Now, listen, I know this.
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  Speaker 1: I know this because you told me so. I asked
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  Speaker 1: you guys last week in preparation of this episode, and
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  Speaker 1: you called in and texted me and gave me your feedback,
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  Speaker 1: just as you did on Instagram and the socials. Alfred Hitchcock,
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  Speaker 1: like Woody Allen, made some of the greatest movies of
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  Speaker 1: all time in the world. Will forever watch their films again.
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  Speaker 1: I know this because you guys told me so, and
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  Speaker 1: I would say the same thing for lesser directors as well,
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  Speaker 1: for someone like Brett Ratner, who didn't make you know,
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  Speaker 1: great films on the same level with Alfred Hitchcock and
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  Speaker 1: Woody Allen, but he made Rush Hour, for God's sake.
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  Speaker 1: In ten years from now, is anyone going to really
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  Speaker 1: think about Brett Ratner's transgressions when they're debating whether or
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  Speaker 1: not to pull up Rush Hour on Hulu or Netflix
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  Speaker 1: or whatever they're not. They're just gonna be psyched about
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  Speaker 1: Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan. You know, Brett Ratner might
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  Speaker 1: not get invited to whatever bullshit Hollywood events are going on,
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  Speaker 1: but this movie's are gonna remain.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Is this good or bad?
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  Speaker 1: That's the question. Is watching a Hitchcock movie make me
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  Speaker 1: a bad person? Is watching a Brett Ratner movie make
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  Speaker 1: me a bad person? When I watched Rush Hour with
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  Speaker 1: my six year old a couple weeks ago, and I
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  Speaker 1: didn't explain to him the me too movement, does that
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  Speaker 1: make me a bad person? I don't think it does.
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  Speaker 1: I know I'm a good person. I know it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make me a bad person. But back to the vibes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Another piece of feedback from you guys, something that I
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  Speaker 1: heard express in one way or another over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: is that the choice to engage with an artist who's
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  Speaker 1: behavior was particularly monstrous is a personal one.
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  Speaker 2: And I totally get that.
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  Speaker 1: If you somehow came in contact with Brett Ratner back
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties, then I'm sure you have a different
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  Speaker 1: view on Rush Hour.
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  Speaker 2: Than most people do. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you how long it took me to
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  Speaker 1: listen to Rick James and actually enjoy his music again
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  Speaker 1: after researching the Rick James episode of Disgracelane and learning
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  Speaker 1: and shocking detail how much he abused women. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever listen to Spade Coolie again. I
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  Speaker 1: can listen to a dozen other example similar to this.
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  Speaker 2: But but, but.
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  Speaker 1: There's always a Butt Jane from Rick James comes on
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  Speaker 1: now after the shock is worn off. You know, my
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  Speaker 1: head was fully in this three years ago, into this
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  Speaker 1: Rick James subject three years ago, and I'm turning Mary
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  Speaker 1: Jane up. Okay, I'm not thinking about Rick James, the kidnapping,
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  Speaker 1: crackpike burning monster at all. Okay, I think of nothing.
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  Speaker 1: The music just floods through me. It makes me dance,
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  Speaker 1: it makes me smile, it makes me goofy. Okay, It's
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  Speaker 1: just the same thing when I'm watching Alfred Hitchcock's Rear Window. Shit,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just entertained by a rear window. I want
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  Speaker 1: to live in that apartment complex in that city at
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  Speaker 1: that time, in that moment. That's how powerfully compelling that
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  Speaker 1: piece of art is that Alfred Hitchcock created.
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  Speaker 2: The romance is palpable.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, to say nothing of the suspense, which is also
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  Speaker 1: just amazing. And my heart broke for Tippy Hedron when
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  Speaker 1: we were putting together this Alfred Hitchcock episode for real.
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  Speaker 1: But that for whatever reason, whether it's selfish or whether
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  Speaker 1: it's superficial, just vibes, whether it makes me a bad
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  Speaker 1: person by some people's estimation the art. In most cases
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  Speaker 1: for me, especially the better that the art is, the
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  Speaker 1: more compelling that it is and genius that it can be,
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  Speaker 1: the more easily I can then objectify it and engage
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  Speaker 1: with it despite the behavior of the artist.
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  Speaker 2: That's just me.
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  Speaker 1: If you feel differently, that's fine, But like I said earlier,
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  Speaker 1: the majority of you are thinking the way the same
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  Speaker 1: way that I am. Now Listen, Okay, I'm not an
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  Speaker 1: absolutist like everyone out there. I'm hypocritical in some ways.
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  Speaker 1: And here's how it gets really interesting for me is
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  Speaker 1: when I think about rationalization as it relates to this topic. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: on the one hand, I don't rationalize what Alfred Hitchcock did,
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  Speaker 1: not one bit. So I don't do that so that
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  Speaker 1: I can feel good about watching his films. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I can just objectify it. But when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: Woody Allen, when it comes to Ryan Adams when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to disease, and sorry when it comes to Michael Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: I am one rationalizing motherfucker, in part because I've done
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  Speaker 1: a considerable amount of research into each of the allegations
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  Speaker 1: against all these artists, just like I did with Hitchcock. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and unlike Hitchcock, and unlike Harvey Weinstein, and unlike Bill Cosby.
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  Speaker 1: From what I've learned in my estimation, the allegations against
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  Speaker 1: the guys I mentioned earlier with he Alan, Ryan Adams
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  Speaker 1: as Ease, Michael Jackson, they're less solid, or they're at
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  Speaker 1: least more gray. Okay, they're they're less compelling in some cases,
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  Speaker 1: way less all right, all right, Perhaps maybe I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I have the stomach for it.
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  Speaker 1: But perhaps maybe I'll do a full episode where I
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  Speaker 1: can look at all the actual facts laid out in
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  Speaker 1: the cases against each of these artists that I've mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: the sort of ones that seemed to be a little
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  Speaker 1: bit on the fence. It's too complicated to litigate here,
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  Speaker 1: to fully dive into here, and I don't want to.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to derail this bonus episode, but I
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  Speaker 1: do want to say that I appreciate you guys as listeners.
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  Speaker 1: This is a complicated conversation to have. It's highly nuanced,
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  Speaker 1: it's emotional. Some of you are victims of abuse. Most
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  Speaker 1: of us know victims of abuse. This is a personal
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  Speaker 1: issue too, and I think that the discourse we've been
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  Speaker 1: able to have around it, both online and public and
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  Speaker 1: privately over voicemail and text has been mostly civil and
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  Speaker 1: mature and nuanced in and of itself, and all these
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  Speaker 1: things are usually lacking when it comes to this topic,
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  Speaker 1: especially as it relates to the online discourse. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: proud of you guys as listeners and excited to dive
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  Speaker 1: into your voicemails and texts on this topic in just
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  Speaker 1: a minute. But first we need to quickly talk about
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  Speaker 1: another controversial subject, or I should say, another controversial figure,
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  Speaker 1: another controversial artist. Lana del Rey. Okay, it's the next
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  Speaker 1: she's the next full episode of Disgraceland. Okay, that's coming
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  Speaker 1: up next in your feed here. So when you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to Lana del Rey, be thinking about the way she
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  Speaker 1: was painted by the press and why she was painted
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  Speaker 1: that way, and specifically think about how she was treated.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to know from you guys. Which entertainers
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  Speaker 1: do you think have been unfairly treated by the media,
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  Speaker 1: Which artists do you think it a bum rap from
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  Speaker 1: the press, And specifically, I want to know about artists, rockstars, actors, actresses,
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  Speaker 1: even athletes that you love, that you think you're getting
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  Speaker 1: repeatedly torched unfairly by the press, by the media, by
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  Speaker 1: the critics. All right, that's for Lana del Rey. That's
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  Speaker 1: for the Lana Delray episode. It's coming up next, and
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  Speaker 1: Disgrace Land. I'm going to take a quick break. We'll
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  Speaker 1: be back in a flash with your calls and your texts.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know the number six one seven, nine oh six,
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  Speaker 1: six six three eight to leave me a voicemail or
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  Speaker 1: to send me a text, let's hear from the nine
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  Speaker 1: toh four.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, Jake Gubspari from the nine oh four man, I've
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  Speaker 5: been really thinking about your question from last week about
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  Speaker 5: the artist and the art and how do you separate
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  Speaker 5: the artist from the art, and and you know, this morning,
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  Speaker 5: my kids were watching Michael Jackson videos on YouTube and
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  Speaker 5: I love Michael Jackson. And I noticed in the comments
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  Speaker 5: on Instagram you had mentioned someone had mentioned Michael Jackson
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  Speaker 5: or you had mentioned Michael Jackson that kind of being
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  Speaker 5: a a template or you know, an example if you were.
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  Speaker 5: It's really tough, you know, someone who is beloved from
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  Speaker 5: your childhood that you have to separate from, you know,
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  Speaker 5: from possibly despicable things they did, or you know, definitely
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  Speaker 5: despicable that the videos like Little Cosby. It's tough. But
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  Speaker 5: like you said, I mean, perhaps there has to be
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  Speaker 5: some kind of dividing lamp between the art and the artist.
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  Speaker 5: But then again, when does it become so despicable that
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  Speaker 5: you just can't you know, like you're Robert Kelly's or
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  Speaker 5: your Sean Combs or are those folks who the world
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  Speaker 5: or Michael Jackson's. It's tough. So I too am a
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  Speaker 5: fan of any Hall and and some of the things
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  Speaker 5: that that that Woody Allen has done. I mean it's
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  Speaker 5: just despicable. I mean, it's so you know, it's tough
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  Speaker 5: defarate the art from the artist, uh and try to
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  Speaker 5: move on from there. I guess, you know, it's kind
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  Speaker 5: of personalized. You know, what you can and cannot deal with,
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  Speaker 5: or what you can and cannot accept from what you
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  Speaker 5: believe from what was alleged. I don't know, it's tough
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  Speaker 5: for Jake. I'm kind of working it out us do
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  Speaker 5: this voice more apparently anyway, Yeah, just looking forward to
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  Speaker 5: the Hitchcock ad episode. I know he was uh it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was horrible to his uh uh female stars. Uh
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  Speaker 5: you know, but it's not going to keep me from
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  Speaker 5: watching the birds.
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  Speaker 4: Fuck no.
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  Speaker 5: So here's what it is. I love you later.
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  Speaker 1: Nine o four. I hear you loud and clear. It
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  Speaker 1: is complicated. I appreciate you weighing in here. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for the call. Uh our same subject. This is from
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  Speaker 1: Ellie Ordes from the nine o nine on the Hitchcock dilemma.
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  Speaker 4: Jay, Ellie Ordes here from the nine oh nine. So,
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to William o'clock on my whole dilemma with
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  Speaker 4: Alfred Hitchcock if he is absolutely my favorite director ever.
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  Speaker 4: I did a whole last report about him when I
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  Speaker 4: was in high school and growing up. Now revisiting him
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  Speaker 4: then it's kind of odd because I'm still out of
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  Speaker 4: stand still with well he was back to women. All
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  Speaker 4: that Tippy Harden dilemma was pretty bad, and yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: I can't just ignore it being a woman myself. But
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, I have to say the art
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  Speaker 4: that was put behind a lot of these movies, especially
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  Speaker 4: a movie like Rebecca which has been pretty forgotten about,
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  Speaker 4: as well as violent for murder, There's been a lot
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  Speaker 4: of art put into these movies that you just haven't seen.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people miss that, and I understand, I
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  Speaker 4: really do. I'm not going to dismiss the bullshit, but
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  Speaker 4: I am saying that where art defines the creator might
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  Speaker 4: lie with the audience and how they feel about said creator.
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  Speaker 4: In my case at the Hitchcock that when I was
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  Speaker 4: a teenager, I pretty much rented a lot of this
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  Speaker 4: movies from my local Blockbuster or Hollywood Video or my
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  Speaker 4: local library. So I was very in touch with the
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  Speaker 4: stories and the styles in which these stories were brought
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  Speaker 4: and how and documentary on the man himself and how
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  Speaker 4: he actually brought things to light and everything, and that's
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  Speaker 4: where I was at with it. Was I was appreciating
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  Speaker 4: the art more than I was appreciating the creator as
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  Speaker 4: a person, if that make sense anyway. So that's my take,
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  Speaker 4: and it's probably a hot one or a film one.
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  Speaker 4: I'm up to these people, not me. I'm just staying
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  Speaker 4: from how I feel about it all. And yeah, so
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: that's my take on that guy. As far as Quentin Tarantino,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: life's taste heart with that one. He's great, he's fine,
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: but the overhighth and the pretentious attitudes people have with
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: him kind of make me feel like, oh, this guy's
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: kind of a boner kill actually. Anyway, So yeah, thanks
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: for the show man and for listening to this whole email.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Thanks bye, Thanks for the call, Ellie. I agree with
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: your larger point.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Hitchcock as an artist was one of a kind, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I hear you on the subjectivity of how we engage
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: with the artists.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I've never seen Rebecca.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'm drawing a total blank on this film. It has
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I have no recall at all. I need to see it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Also love the shout out to Blockbuster. But I really
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: love the Hollywood video reference. Speaking of video stories, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: can't go there with you on Tarantino, I'm right or
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: die with that dude as a filmmaker. Speaking of which
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: recently heard from Roger Avery, well, not recently, about six
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: months ago. Roger, of course, wrote part of pulp Fiction
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: with Quentin Tarantino and directed Rules of Attraction. Some of
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: you who follow us on Instagram know about the Roger
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Avery homage, the tribute that we paid to him in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: relation to our Brian Jones episode. If you don't know
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about and you love the movie Rules
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of Attraction and you heard our Brian Jones episode from
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: our archive, I highly encourage you to head over to
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: at this grace lampod on Instagram. Just just go into
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the reels section there and look about two or three
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: reels back or actually know it's on the grid and
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: you can see you can see how we paid homage
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to Rules of Attraction by using the wildlife of Brian Jones. Okay,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: let's do some more voicemails. Here is Katie from the
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: eight oh two.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Hey, this is Katie calling from the ato two. You
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: asked for some calls about movies that we still watched.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: His actors whoever, who we know, did terrible things, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: we can't go without them. And the first person who
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: comes to mind for me is a singer and an actor,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: and that's being Crosbie. Ever since I was a kid,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I've been obsessed with Christmas carols. I've loved them. I
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: direct an a cappella group that we started out as
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: a Christmas Caroline group, and White Christmas is always one
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of my favorite Carols and one of my favorite movies,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: and Being Crosby and David Bowie's Little Drummer Boy will
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: always be one of my favorite recorded Christmas songs. But
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Being Crosby was a terrible guy. He was a wife
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: and child abuser, and he did a lot of other
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: shady stuff, and it's tainted it for me a little bit.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: It's a bit harder to watch his movies and listen
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: to some of his music. But there's no other voice
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: in the world like is, and there probably never will be,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: so I can't give him up.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Probably do you love the show, Katie.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I think what you're hitting on is something that I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: touched on in the earlier block, and that's the emotional
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: connection to the artists and what they make. It's hard
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to put down, it's hard to walk away from. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: understand the complexity, and I appreciate you weighing in here
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Thank you for the call. Thank you for the thoughts, Katie.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Let's got six one seven nine oh six, Like Katie,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: like Ellie, like nine oh four to get out of
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: six one seven nine oh six, sixty six three eight
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: voicemail and text, Let's do a couple of texts here
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we pull up deal text machine. All right, from the
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: five oh weight, says Jake regarding separating the art from
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the artist.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I find it incredibly easy.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: First of all, we can't really know the truth much
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: of the time, so we might be judging someone based
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: on inaccurate information. Second, it's often a mistake to look
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: at someone from the past with the moral lens of today,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So right off the bat, it's frat Finally, it's selective.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Some people still get nothing but adoration. Others are never
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: given another shot. So at the end of the day,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to worry about what Jimmy Page, McJagger
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: or anyone else may have done in the nineteen seventies.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It seems silly and arbitrary. Love the show five oheight.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I hear you. I agree with you for.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: The most part. I agree with you, definitely agree with you.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: In relation to to I don't know. I don't know.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Jimmy Page. I'm always going to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: listen to led Zeppelin. But I don't want to get
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I don't want to miss I don't want to miss
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the mark here, right, there's there's a difference between appreciating
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: led Zeppelin and being to just sit back and go
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: what Jimmy Page some of that behavior, specifically with Lori Maddox,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: which is what I think you're referring to is uh
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: is it's out of fucking control, and you know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think that's a little
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: bit different from from listening to the Alfred Hitchcock episode
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in which we we truly detail the physical abuse in
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: toll like we try to make that uncomfortable for you guys,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to prompt this question, you know, can
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: you still watch the birds?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And uh, we can.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: But it's it's, you know, we're comparing different I don't
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: want to say apples to oranges, but we're can hearing
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, red apples to Macintosh's. I think if that
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: makes any sense, all right, let's check out this one
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: from the eight one six, where I said, hey, nobody
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: is perfect. I find it very interesting that those who
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: hold power tend to have moral personal transgressions, almost as
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: if they use it to hold power over others. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: consider it to be an evil character flaw. Bill Cosby
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: is a good example of this. The public thought he
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: was this amazing father figure and he was raping women.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Those who enabled him are just as guilty. It definitely
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: tarnished his reputation in the syndication of his shows. Cosby's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a really interesting one for me because, I mean, the
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: allegations are super fricking harsh, and they're tough to refute,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: they're tough not to believe, and his personality, his on
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: screen personality just is so the opposite of what he's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: accused of. The like the Texter alludes to there. And
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen the Cosby Show in a while.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's still in syndication, but if I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: were flipping through and I saw it, I would definitely pause.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I would definitely watch it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: In all I would be thinking about would be the allegations,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: in the dichotomy between the on screen personality and the allegation.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So that's a really interesting one on the issue of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: abusive power. This is kind of off topic, but it's
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: so heavily in my head right now.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I got to mention it.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: I just finished watching that TV show Dope Sick. It's
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a couple of years old now. It's about the abuses
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of big pharma, specifically Purdue Pharma, in the Sackler family
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: and it is truly horrific and an incredible look at
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: that theme at the abuse of power. So if you
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: have not seen Dope Sick, I highly recommend it. It's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: just fantastic television making as well.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's see what else we got here. This one.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: This text comes from the five to four to one.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Jake, Tom from the five four to one here, very
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: excited for a Replacements episode. I'm guessing you read Trouble Boys.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Highly recommended. I saw the Replacements in nineteen eighty four,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: eighty six, and eighty seven in small clubs in music
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: halls because want to say, the band ranged from maintenance
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: level drunk tompletely shit faced.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So the music ranged from.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Sheer brilliance to sloppy covers, but it was always loads
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: of fun and memorable. It seemed like when they could
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: be the best band in the world when they wanted to.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: The recent release of Tim Has the eighty six show
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I was at also highly recommend. Love the show Rock
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a rolla awesome text five to four to one. I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate it, Tom, I'm jealous. I'm a little I'm a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: little loss for words that you saw the Replacements in
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty six, and nineteen eighty seven
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: in small clubs and in music halls. That's incredible, man,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I of course was not a Replacements fan by that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: point in my youth. That you guys want to you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the Replacements episode that Tom is talking about is an
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: all access episode that's coming out in the Patreon and
• 25:46
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• 25:50
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• 25:51
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• 25:53
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• 25:55
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• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So six one seven nine oh six six six three eight,
• 26:07
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• 26:08
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• 26:09
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• 26:14
  Speaker 2: And I want to read I want to read this.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: It's almost like a.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Little blog post that this listener left in the comments,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and I just want to shout them out because it's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: pretty incredible. So, you know, you know, I do these
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: little reels on Instagram. I do these little like sixty
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: to ninety second synopsis of different what I call sort
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of holy shit moments from the episodes. The one we
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: did on Hitchcock is it's more of a summary of
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the entire sort of tippy Header and abuse situation.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: And a user on there jumped in the comments.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: The user's name is zen kitten Art says, hey, it's
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: been a while since I researched this, and I'm working
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: off memory here. But to clarify for the people asking
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: in the comments about Marnie being made after the Birds,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Hitchcock didn't fire tippy Head in the sense that you think.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: My guess is for the sake of keeping the real
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: short here, she means me, he used that word fired
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: because it basically amounts to the same thing. Gonna hit
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: reply and put the deats there so this doesn't get
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: too long. So zen Kittenner went off and she did
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: a little research on the subject. She comes back and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: she goes, Okay, Hitchcock owned Marnie. Like seriously, it gets
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: way worse and creepier than just this bird scene. I
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: actually won't watch the Birds because the extent of Hitchcock's abuse.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Fuck that guy. He found her and he made her.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: He used Hollywood to then owner. He put her in
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a penhouse where he could watch her from his own apartment.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He bought all her clothes, she means tippy head, her
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: air dressed, her, had her hairstyle, controlled where she went
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and with who who she was allowed to date.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: He controlled how much and what she ate. It's sick, okay.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Then she comes back about a couple minutes later with
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: another comment, I just love how worked up zen Kittener
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: is getting here by all the research she continues to do.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: She comes back and rights her contract was how Hitchcock
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: controlled her and was able to abuse her for so long.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: After the birds he broke her, she wasn't worth another
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: contract form. This is way worse than getting fired because
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the contract controlled everything in her life. She lost everything,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: her home literally, the clothes off her back, everything and yes,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: next comment, after he took everything, he made sure she
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: was iced from Hollywood, so she had no way to
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: keep working and replace what he took. Hitchcock made her,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: mentally broke her and then threw her away like trash.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: The more I.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Researched this man, this is another comment. The more disgusting
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: he became. He didn't do this just to her as
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a one time thing. Is mentally terrorized his film crew,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: even his financial support as he got bigger and bigger.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: She goes on and on. I'm not going to continue
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to go, but.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Check out a disgracelam pod the comment section specifically, get
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: in there, okay, get in there, I get dirty with us.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Someone mentioned, and I think that someone was me Pulp
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Fiction earlier about how it was released in nineteen ninety four.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: And here's something I've been doing recently. Okay, it's because
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I'm getting older. I'm not gonna lie. And my kids
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: are younger, of course, so I'm trying to explain things
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to them and contextualize them, particularly music and film. So
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: this is, you know, I'm obsessed with this stuff, as
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you know, and I feel myself drawing back more into
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the past, try and really remember things as they were
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: as I'm trying to explain them to my kids.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, So PAULP.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Fiction, if you were to go to the movie theater
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: in October of nineteen ninety four, all right, here are
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: some of the other movies besides PAULP. Fiction that you
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: would see that month in the theaters, you'd see Forrest Gump,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: The Shawshank, Redemption, Clear and Present, danger, Edwood Clerks, The Mask,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: which we just watched the other night. If you got kids,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: highly recommend it, Jurassic Park, and a handful of others.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: A bunch more actually that you would recognize that I'm
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: leaving off this list because I could go on and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: on and on. Just trust me, you'd have fond memories
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: of these films and films I'm not mentioning as well.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: All right, So if you were to go to the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: movie theater in July of twenty twenty four, this year,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: last month of this year, here are some of the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: movies you would see, by comparison to the movies that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you would see in the theater in nineteen ninety four.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: You'd see Despicable Me four, you'd see Deadpool and Wolverine, Twisters.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I saw Twisters in the theater. You'd see Inside Out two.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: You'd see The.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Bike Riders, Bad Boys Ride or Die a Quiet Place
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Day one. Okay, do you notice a drop off in
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: quality entertainment or is it just me?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I don't care if I sound like the old guy
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: here but you cannot compare any of those movies that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I just listed from July twenty twenty four to the
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: movies available in October of nineteen ninety four. Similarly, if
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: you were to go to Tower Records in October of
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, here are the albums released that year
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: that would be available for you to purchase. Weezer's the
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Blue album nine Inch Nails is a downward spire, with
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the notorious BIG's Ready to Die, Green Day, Douchie Oasis,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: definitely maybe Pearl Jam Vitology. This list I mentioned barely
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: scratches the frickin' surface of amazing records released in nineteen
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: ninety four up to and including October. It's not an
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: entirely fair comparison because we are only in the month
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of August right now here in twenty twenty four. But
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: here's a list of the so called best albums released
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: this year. Brat by Charlie XCX, Cowboy Carter by Beyonce,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: hit Me Hard and Soft by Billie Eilish, The Tortured
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Poets Department by Taylor Swift, The Great American Bar Scene
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: by Zach Bryan, Great Title Dark Times by Vince Staples, Okay,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: do I even need to comment on the comparison between
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the albums released in twenty twenty four and in nineteen
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: ninety four. All right, I don't. But here's my point.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: We're the nineties peak life. Okay, I'm serious. I don't
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: care that this makes me sound old. But you know what,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I don't fucking feel old, man, not at all. Gen
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: X is fucking feeling half my age with the confidence
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of a thousand burning suns, knowing in my angry latch
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: key kid bones that the music in movies that we
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: put out and consumed in the nineties were far superior
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: to the movies and music that we are putting out now.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Not that I like this, I don't. I don't like it.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I hate it. I root for the now. Wow.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I don't like focusing on the past, but certain things
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: are undeniable, like the nineties being peak life. Okay, call
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: me and tell me I'm wrong. Six one seven nine
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: oh six six six three eight. Give me an era
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you'd rather go back and live in to consume music
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and movies other than the nineteen nineties.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: If you weren't alive, then, if you weren't alive.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: In the nineties, I want to hear from you, especially
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: knowing what you know about music, now, knowing what you
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: know about movies, now, knowing what you know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: About history, and you know a lot. I know you're smart.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: You're listening to the C block of a freaking bonus
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: episode about the dark side of entertainment, so I know
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: you're here for a reason. And I want to know,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: if you're a twenty or thirty something, what are your
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: thoughts on the nineteen nineties and is there another era
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: you'd rather exist in to consume culture?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: And if so, what is it?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to send me a voicemail or text old heads like myself,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: jen x, I want to hear from you too.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Stick around, guys.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: We'll be back in a flash and announce the winners
• 32:52
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• 32:54
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• 33:15
  Speaker 1: This one comes from Matt Headley, subject the Hillsborough disaster.
• 33:21
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• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Hi, I just wanted to say a huge thank you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: for your episode and the subject above as a Liverpool fan.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you how many times over the years
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I have heard the name of our fans being smeared
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: because of that Kelvin Mackenzie and the Sun newspaper printing
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: their lies. The reporters actually turned up at the funerals
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the match going fans that never returned home. Also fantastic
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: that you mentioned David Dutfield for his part played in
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the tragic day and also, more importantly the lies he
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  Speaker 1: how you've evolved to cover stories like Meril Monroe as
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  Speaker 1: well as the Hillsborough disaster. Anyway, keep up the good work,
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  Speaker 1: and one last time, thank you for honestly reporting something
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  Speaker 1: If you guys are like, what the fuck is the
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  Speaker 1: Hillsborough disaster and what is Matt talking about, you are
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  Speaker 1: few and far between because the Hillsborough disaster this episode.
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  Speaker 1: We launched this a couple of days ago, we put
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  Speaker 1: it into the feed. It's a sports subject, okay, It's
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  Speaker 1: not about an actor. It's not about an not about
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  Speaker 1: an actress, not about an artist, not about a musician, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but it is about a disaster where a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people uh met their end and it's just fucking horrific.
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  Speaker 1: And for some reason, the numbers on the listenership for
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  Speaker 1: this episode went through the roof and we did no
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  Speaker 1: outperformed episodes that we normally drop in that slot and
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  Speaker 1: we have no reason why. So if you're like Matt
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  Speaker 1: women and children were crushed to death during a soccer
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  Speaker 1: But Hillsborough wasn't just a disaster. It was a fight
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  Speaker 1: the people, and a cover up on the largest scale,
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  Speaker 1: very public, very contentious collision of fandom and greedy capitalism,
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  Speaker 1: on the replacements. Here's a sneak peek. Paul Westerberg counted
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  Speaker 1: they called them the most exciting band in America. At
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  Speaker 1: clear the room.
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  Speaker 2: They kicked off the set with You're.
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  Speaker 1: A Mean One, Mister Grinch, and things.
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  Speaker 2: Even got weirder from there.
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  Speaker 1: Paul started maybe fifty songs that night, but the band.
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  Speaker 2: Made it through less than five.
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  Speaker 1: They tried their hand at Dolly Parton and then the
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  Speaker 1: were songs by the Replacements. As the crowd streamed out
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  Speaker 1: These label stiffs couldn't take a joke.
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  Speaker 2: Then fuck it all right, welcome back.
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  Speaker 1: Love to You Boys to Men, last week one, peak
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