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Pitching Turns Chaotic, Greene Stays Hot As Tigers Avoid Sweep in Tampa Bay · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Fuel Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm curious.
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Speaker 1: Eckley with me as always a man who turned down
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to do Love Island so he could do
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Speaker 1: this show. He is Condy Stephen Egg and how you doing.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing good. I didn't realize there's an episode of
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Speaker 2: Love Island like every day? Is that right?
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm figured.
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Speaker 2: There was like a once a week things every.
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Speaker 1: Day that's insane.
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Speaker 2: That actually makes me want to watch it more. I've
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Speaker 2: never I've never seen a single episode.
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Speaker 1: Well again, my wife told me there's a guy that
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Speaker 1: looks like Carry Carpenter but kind of a reality TV
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Speaker 1: show type. Look to him if if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: And uh, somebody I can't remember who was someone commented
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Speaker 1: on on on X for me is like, well, let
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Speaker 1: us know when this guy gets eliminade and maybe Carrie
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Speaker 1: will bust out of the slump. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: pretty good, So I'm sorry I can't remember your name.
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Speaker 1: That was pretty good. Uh, we'll talk about Cary Carpenter
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but we we do have some I mean,
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Speaker 1: if someone just came off the Love Island. That's how
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Speaker 1: it works. I don't know how it works. How do
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Speaker 1: we explain this week Cody in Tigers Baseball, because like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a tropical show and we had a lot of
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Speaker 1: rain this this week, and then the Tigers. Tigers also
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Speaker 1: did not get all that great of pitching. But then
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Speaker 1: Riley Green's like really hot and you got whatsel Perez
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Speaker 1: doing some really cool things here, Like what's the what's
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Speaker 1: the lead for the person who just got off Love Islands? Like,
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Speaker 1: tell me what happened in Detroit Tiger's land this week?
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Speaker 1: What's the lead?
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Speaker 2: I think the lead is still the pitching being borderline
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Speaker 2: in shambles right now. Jack Flaherty has had two really
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Speaker 2: bad starts in a row. Gave up what seven runs
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Speaker 2: and then eight runs. That's hard to do, and it's
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Speaker 2: it's certainly concerning. Casey Mize on Sunday was pitching really well.
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Speaker 2: Left the game. His last pitch just didn't look right.
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Speaker 2: It was the vela was to weigh down. The report
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Speaker 2: coming out of the game is it was just a cramp,
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Speaker 2: So that's good news. I also point out one year
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Speaker 2: and eight days ago, Casey Mais left to start with
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Speaker 2: a cramp and proceed to miss two months, So we'll see.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully it is just a cramp and not another hamstring
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Speaker 2: injury that would be concerning. Even if it was just
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Speaker 2: a minor thing. You really can't afford to have caseyis
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Speaker 2: missed to start because your rotation is struggling. Otherwise, Man,
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Speaker 2: I guess Cater Montero or maybe someone else Troy Melton
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Speaker 2: missed a start. You know you have someone who could
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Speaker 2: come up. The Tigers are skipping Montero's turn in the
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Speaker 2: rotation do the off day, so that helps, but still
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Speaker 2: your pitching has been thin. Rees Oulsen has to do
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Speaker 2: another rehab start. Jack Flaherty been a little bit of
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Speaker 2: a roller coaster all year. That roller coaster is way
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Speaker 2: down in the valley right now. Suddenly it's looking like
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Speaker 2: Scooble and pitching chaos again, except pitch chaos is not
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Speaker 2: working anymore. The opener strategy has not been effective, and
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Speaker 2: your bullpen obviously is what it is right now. That's
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Speaker 2: kind of the reason they're skipping Montero. They wanted to
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Speaker 2: bring up someone else in the pen, so Dylan Smith's around,
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Speaker 2: but Brent Herder had been one of your more consistent guys,
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Speaker 2: he's gotten roughed up lately. You talk about the plateau,
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Speaker 2: you talk about the tough times that we're coming through
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Speaker 2: a season. I think this is it. I think we
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Speaker 2: are here, and I don't necessarily think it's reason to
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Speaker 2: panic or jump ship. Like the Tigers are in great position.
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Speaker 2: But every couple episodes here like we've been on a
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Speaker 2: trend and upward trend, and it's like a trend for
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Speaker 2: the urgency of which the Tigers are gonna have to
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Speaker 2: go get pitching at the deadline. I think it's even
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Speaker 2: more necessity, you know, the deeper we get into this year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's fair to point out, well,
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Speaker 1: number one, you have forty nine wins on the season,
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Speaker 1: and right so like it's you know, you can keep
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Speaker 1: that in mind. Number two, this shaped up to be
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Speaker 1: one of your just like circumstantially tougher stretches. Right with
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Speaker 1: the with the rain now the doubleheader, you know, going
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Speaker 1: into the travel three am playing arrivals Florida, humidity just
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Speaker 1: like eating everybody up. And then yet you know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: another rain delay, and then even Sunday you had a
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Speaker 1: rain delay, and and so like it just there. A
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Speaker 1: lot of these things actually did kind of feed into
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Speaker 1: the chaotic element. Uh it's still I want, well, I
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Speaker 1: almost stick with Casey Mys and kind of get to
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Speaker 1: the other stuff. Like Maes was in position to be
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Speaker 1: the new stabilizer. Like we kind of like metaphorically assigned
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Speaker 1: new stabilizers in the pitching rotation basically based on who's
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Speaker 1: healthy and then who kind of steps up. Uh it
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Speaker 1: used to be Flaherty. Uh you know, I'll talk about
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Speaker 1: him too, but mas was putting together like a pretty
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Speaker 1: dang nice outing. His pitch count was low, he was
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Speaker 1: into the sixth inning one earned run, I mean that,
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Speaker 1: you know it was it was a long earned run now,
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Speaker 1: but he had that and one double. I think that's
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Speaker 1: basically the hard contact contact if if memory serves five strikeouts,
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Speaker 1: know if I said that, and so like he looked
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Speaker 1: like the Casey Mice back on track element after a
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Speaker 1: couple of guitars, And it's like, you know, I was
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Speaker 1: prayed to come in here and be like, you know,
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Speaker 1: Casey Mice to the rescue, to just kind of stabilize
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Speaker 1: the emotions of right the thing, and then you just
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Speaker 1: don't know until I mean, we still don't know, but
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Speaker 1: at least we have good news now. And the fact
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Speaker 1: that we're talking about Casey Mice in that way leads
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Speaker 1: to it's definitely chaotic pitching. It's not the cool thing
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Speaker 1: to say pitching chaos. It's chaotic pitching because you had
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Speaker 1: a guy that was kind of rolling, he comes out
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Speaker 1: with a you know what, we don't know at the time,
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Speaker 1: but now they're calling it a cramp, and he obviously
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Speaker 1: has his injury history. And then you know, brand Herder
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Speaker 1: had a week that I'm sure he would love to forget.
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Speaker 1: And you know, your two openers that you used in
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Speaker 1: the weekend, I'm including the doubleheader on Thursday for you
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Speaker 1: quote unquote weekend. The two openers that you use over
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Speaker 1: the weekend did not get the job done, gave you know,
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Speaker 1: put you in, you know, in holes, which is like
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Speaker 1: the exact opposite of the purpose of the opener. And
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Speaker 1: that's not me like criticizing the method. I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: like that that that's what happened. So it does not
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Speaker 1: feel very stable, because the whole thing is pitching chaos
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Speaker 1: is actually relatively stable. You know exactly what's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: You have schoobl and then you have everybody else that
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Speaker 1: AJ Hinch is going to use in advantageous situations. And
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Speaker 1: it got to the point where it's like it's gonna
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Speaker 1: work out more than it's not going to work out.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying we've reached the other end of that
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Speaker 1: spectrum him, but it doesn't feel stable right now.
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Speaker 2: I think we've we've just seen the part where, hey,
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Speaker 2: this is what happens when it doesn't work out.
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Speaker 1: Here's a great example today. Tigers, you know, have that
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Speaker 1: three to one lead thanks to Wenzel Perez in the
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Speaker 1: seventh uh in the seventh inning, and AJ goes to
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Speaker 1: Tommy Kinley only the second time this year, Cody that
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Speaker 1: he had come in in the seventh inning. I know
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Speaker 1: there's two outs. I understand all that, But like if
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Speaker 1: that was a sense of urgency move by by a J.
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Speaker 1: Hinch because he did not want to drop four in
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Speaker 1: a row, he did not want to waste uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: a good starting outing. And then and then you know
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Speaker 1: the timely heading that that he got from Wentzel and
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Speaker 1: then the torque walk also to set up the two
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Speaker 1: run opportunity. So like there's you urgency and even vest
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Speaker 1: at the end, you know, it's getting a little loose.
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Speaker 2: Uh So, I say, is it kind of weird will
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Speaker 2: invest in through this weekend? I mean they lost two games.
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Speaker 2: They was in a safe situation Saturday, but I don't.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he came in, he was going to come
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Speaker 1: in today. I think if the night then he doesn't,
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Speaker 1: you know, explode.
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Speaker 2: The one time we've seen will Vas post injury scare,
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Speaker 2: the stuff was really good. The stuff was basically what
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Speaker 2: it had been. He punched out three guys, but he
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Speaker 2: was spraying the ball a lot. It was fourteen strikes,
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Speaker 2: twelve balls, and some of the misses were like bat
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Speaker 2: misses to the point where I was like, just something
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Speaker 2: to watch. But the stuff was the stuff was still there.
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Speaker 2: So I don't know, didn't see him this weekend, probably
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Speaker 2: more circumstance of how the games went. Also, we're noting
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Speaker 2: Carlos Hernandez, who had a very nice first outing, with
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Speaker 2: the Tigers' second outing, well they think results and execution
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Speaker 2: not so nice. So unsure how to feel about him.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's like without right now outside of those
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Speaker 1: you know, the two headliners of that bullpen. And we'll
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Speaker 1: get respect to Chase Lee as well. But outside of that,
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Speaker 1: like where's your confidence level with any of these guys
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Speaker 1: and that and by.
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Speaker 2: The way, that's that's.
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Speaker 1: Part of it, that's relievers, part of it. That's relievers.
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Speaker 1: You think Holden's gonna have put together a good stretch
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Speaker 1: and like and then we'll kind of forget about this
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Speaker 1: or laugh about it later. Herder had been excellent for
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Speaker 1: five weeks. Uh, and and it just this is the life.
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Speaker 1: This is the this is the chaotic life. And I
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Speaker 1: just I think those that are criticizing the Tigers because
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Speaker 1: there are some out there right now for you know,
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Speaker 1: kind of still employing this opener thing and you know,
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Speaker 1: even him talking about story Gibson Long who uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's like, well, he didn't give up a whole lot
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Speaker 1: of hard contact, but like the times that he did
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Speaker 1: give part contact, it was quite hard.
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Speaker 2: Like it's I don't think is that fault. I think
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Speaker 2: it's just guy aren't really executed.
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Speaker 1: We're still doing it though. Yeah, people are still like
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Speaker 1: it's not cute anymore, so there is some more criticism,
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Speaker 1: especially when it's not working. I don't have a huge
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Speaker 1: issue with it, but you still but from a confidence standpoint,
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Speaker 1: you would like you know you'd like for her or
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Speaker 1: to be able to get out a lefty laden lineup
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Speaker 1: to be to begin a game, and then Holton to
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Speaker 1: not throw ninety two middle middle like three times. That
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Speaker 1: that would be ideal. So all that's all that chaos,
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Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about the I don't know if
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Speaker 1: it's chaos, if it's just a roller coaster Cody, but
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Speaker 1: All right, the whole Jack Flaherty thing, Cody just it's
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Speaker 1: almost like the ap course of I don't even want
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Speaker 1: to say this. I don't mean this to be disrespectful,
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Speaker 1: but it's like the the advanced version, like if freshman
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Speaker 1: c ball was how we would talk about Matt Manning,
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Speaker 1: Like the varsity version is like the Jack Flarerity experience,
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Speaker 1: where it's just like, because he's so much better. And
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Speaker 1: I'm getting that's what I mean by that, like he's
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Speaker 1: so much better. I'm not comparing the two, but in
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Speaker 1: terms of just like it's gotten to the point where
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Speaker 1: we have to do the segment tongue in cheek where
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Speaker 1: it's like, what's up with Jack Flarerity?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like that that's by me?
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Speaker 1: I hope I explained that correctly, but two starts, you know,
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Speaker 1: talk about bullpen stuff. Two starts you only managed like
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Speaker 1: seven innings and fifteen earned runs. He it's funny he
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Speaker 1: had three and three balls and or assume he walks
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Speaker 1: and and strikeouts in five and five. So it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, so it messes out there evenly, but he
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Speaker 1: just was not sharp. And you know, we've done the
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Speaker 1: velocity talk before today too. I don't necessarily want to
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Speaker 1: talk about the velocity part here, but every time Jack
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Speaker 1: Flarity is off it, I just keep thinking, like, man,
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Speaker 1: he is a nearly thirty old picture who like we
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Speaker 1: talk about him like he's twenty three sometimes in terms
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Speaker 1: of just like learning the you know, consistent mechanics and
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Speaker 1: all that stuff, and so like, it's not like a
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Speaker 1: huge point that I have, but I just feel like
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Speaker 1: that's worth noting with with with the highs of flarity
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Speaker 1: and the lows of flarity, that's another thing to kind
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Speaker 1: of look for. I think with him is that like
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Speaker 1: he's he's been active, like supposedly he's not injured. Hopefully
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Speaker 1: he's not injured. But man, when it's down, man, it's down.
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Speaker 1: He has some of the he has some of the
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Speaker 1: prettiest hangers on this team. Yeah, and he's missing. He's missing. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's tough to boil it down to one thing, I think,
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Speaker 2: but command is a big part of it. Command is
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Speaker 2: a big part of it because the stuff isn't necessarily
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Speaker 2: premium right now, but you go look at how stuff
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Speaker 2: plays and like the stuff plus models. So what this
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Speaker 2: means basically, you take here's the fastball he throws, here's
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Speaker 2: the spin, here's the angle, Here's how this performs against
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Speaker 2: the league. You know, based on thousands of pitches that
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Speaker 2: are thrown in major league games. His stuff is pretty
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Speaker 2: much identical to what it was throughout the course of
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Speaker 2: last year. Now, obviously he was a lot better in
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Speaker 2: the first half in the second half last year, but
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Speaker 2: stuff pretty much there. When you look at location plus,
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Speaker 2: which is a pretty similar thing, it measures location, that's
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Speaker 2: down a little bit. And I don't think he has
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Speaker 2: a lot of margin for error because to often he's
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Speaker 2: thrown ninety two. When we've seen Jack Flaherty have good
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Speaker 2: starts the one start, what three four outings go where
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Speaker 2: he was really on and he was dotting pitches low
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Speaker 2: in the zone like the command was on. And then
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Speaker 2: these past two outings, Like the stuff wasn't great, and
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Speaker 2: you had some hangars and you had some fastball. I mean,
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Speaker 2: Elie Da La Cruz hit one out there was what
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Speaker 2: ninety you know, up over the plate. You know, maybe
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Speaker 2: if you're throwing that ninety six you can get away
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Speaker 2: with it. Ninety you can't. And then it's like, Okay, Well,
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Speaker 2: why is we always hear with Jack the way his
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Speaker 2: body moves? Well, why is he struggling to move his
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Speaker 2: body consistently? We know he's a great athlete, we know
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Speaker 2: he's very talented. Still, I'm like, you gotta hope everything's
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Speaker 2: okay with him physically. You know, there's a good picture
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Speaker 2: in there, but the ups and downs are again, why
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Speaker 2: have kind of struggled to be like, do you really
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Speaker 2: feel good about him as the number two on this staff?
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Speaker 2: I still feel very good about Jack Flaherty as a
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Speaker 2: major league pitchers, as a member of this staff, But
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Speaker 2: is he a number two? You zoom out take this
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Speaker 2: season in aggregate, he hasn't been. He's had glimpses of it,
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Speaker 2: but in the big picture so far this year hasn't
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Speaker 2: been that to that level.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's not every day or you know, every
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Speaker 1: year or whatever that you get a player that kind
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Speaker 1: of validates every single thing that's been written or said
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Speaker 1: about him, Like like like if you were doubting Jack
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Speaker 1: Flarerty's validity as a long term pitching free agent contract person,
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Speaker 1: like we've seen that this year. If you thought he's
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Speaker 1: worthy of getting that multi year you know, high dollar extend,
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Speaker 1: you know, not extension or you know contract and free agency,
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Speaker 1: we've also seen that. And if you think he's both
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Speaker 1: of those people, we've been proven right pretty much too.
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Speaker 1: And and also in a weird way kind of like
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Speaker 1: it like smart teams loved to have Jack Flaherty because
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Speaker 1: he was almost like obviously the Tigers, you know, signed
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Speaker 1: him last year, Tiger's smart team. He was a trade
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Speaker 1: target of the New York Yankees. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you've heard of him, they usually do pretty well. And
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Speaker 1: then he was obviously traded to acquired by I phrase it,
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Speaker 1: by the Los Angeles Dodgers, and then yeah, obviously signs
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Speaker 1: again with the Tigers. So smart teams like Jack flarerity.
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Speaker 1: So like it's like I want to I want to
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Speaker 1: say that, like I guess we've been pretty negative about him,
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Speaker 1: but smart teams like Jack Flaherty. I want to note that,
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Speaker 1: but man, is it it is something I would. I
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Speaker 1: would love to be in the pitching lab when they
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Speaker 1: discussed the flarity as because I'm sure, I'm sure that's
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Speaker 1: a lot. I'm sure that's like catnip to baseball nerves.
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Speaker 1: Just trying to figure out everything like this, I would.
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Speaker 1: I would love to be flying them all for that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was seeing pregame Sunday, basically just going through
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Speaker 2: his program with Robin Lunn, just standing over there, watching
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Speaker 2: every single, every single motion. Robin Lond knows what he's doing,
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Speaker 2: so maybe he can help get Jack right. It is interesting.
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Speaker 2: Jack just made his fifteenth start, which clicks in a
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Speaker 2: twenty mili option for next year. I was certainly in
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Speaker 2: favor of bringing Jack Flarity back. It was great for
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Speaker 2: the Tigers to give him on a team friendly deal.
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Speaker 2: Unless he is lights out from here on out, I
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Speaker 2: think he's going to be opting in for that twenty million,
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Speaker 2: and then it's like, well, how do you feel about that?
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Speaker 2: I think, assuming he's healthy, I actually feel pretty good
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Speaker 2: about it. You give this guy a full off season
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Speaker 2: iron some things out. We know there's still a really
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Speaker 2: good version of Jack Flaherty in there that maybe we
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Speaker 2: can see more this season. There's a lot of ball
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Speaker 2: left to be played, and certainly I'd be willing to
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Speaker 2: take a chance on him over a lot of other
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Speaker 2: guys out there for next year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could just repeat what I just previously about
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Speaker 1: teams like him, and that would be like my answer
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Speaker 1: to that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, would you rather have Jack Flaherty for twenty
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Speaker 2: or Alex Cobb again for fifteen?
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Speaker 1: You know that was I'll take check. That was a
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Speaker 1: hanging slider over the plate to do that one. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and you and and you price in inflation, uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: with free agents in general, so like you like that
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Speaker 1: that will probably be twenty could be the new number
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Speaker 1: anyway next year year for you know, starting in pictures
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Speaker 1: of a certain resume. So so yeah, well and by
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Speaker 1: the way, that's a credit to Jack Flairy that he
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19:12
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19:14
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19:18
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19:18
Speaker 2: Easy?
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Speaker 1: This and he is at least in that facet kind
19:23
Speaker 1: of answered those questions. Well, we'll see what happens the
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Speaker 1: Your first order. All right, Well, speaking of repeating ourselves, Cody, uh.
20:54
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time talking with Austin Jackson
20:58
Speaker 1: late last week about Green and are little you know?
21:02
Speaker 1: Is he you know this case for him to be
21:04
Speaker 1: an All Star? And I post a question he's an
21:07
Speaker 1: All Star? I think we feel pretty confident about that,
21:09
Speaker 1: but is he a star? And I think both you
21:13
Speaker 1: two gave very like calm and convincing arguments. That's like,
21:17
Speaker 1: we like what we see, we want to see more
21:19
Speaker 1: of it, consistency, blah blah blah blah. I mean, you
21:22
Speaker 1: guys aren't wrong, but it was just Hella timing that.
21:28
Speaker 1: Since we had that conversation, which I encourage everybody to
21:31
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that episode so you could
21:34
Speaker 1: hear what Austin Jackson had to say about Riley Green.
21:37
Speaker 1: Always been a big fan of his game. Riley went
21:40
Speaker 1: five for nine. He had two home runs and two
21:42
Speaker 1: doubles and made I don't know six highlight reel esque
21:49
Speaker 1: catches in the outfield, including one where he like halfway
21:53
Speaker 1: went over a wall, he ran down one, and the
21:56
Speaker 1: left center field gap kind of beat Parker to the
21:59
Speaker 1: spot a little bit not easy to do, and a
22:02
Speaker 1: couple other slides, and I mean it was a highlight
22:05
Speaker 1: reel weekend for Riley Green. And that if there was
22:08
Speaker 1: like a reason for me to like be really glad
22:10
Speaker 1: that the Tigers weren't swept, is that I didn't want
22:13
Speaker 1: to have these like awesome Riley Green games where you're
22:16
Speaker 1: getting your ass kicked, your ass kicked, and then you
22:18
Speaker 1: lose and then you get swept. You see what I'm saying.
22:21
Speaker 1: So like that, that's that's like a little reassuring. Obviously
22:23
Speaker 1: he's a Florida guy.
22:25
Speaker 2: Uh.
22:26
Speaker 1: I mean, he played like a star. He played like
22:29
Speaker 1: a star this this weekend, So we'll we'll give him credit.
22:33
Speaker 1: We don't have like a whole lot of new analysis,
22:35
Speaker 1: but man, when he's on, is he fun? Is he
22:39
Speaker 1: fun to watch.
22:42
Speaker 2: Riley Green? Since what May one hitting three oh one
22:48
Speaker 2: nine thirty one ops, eleven bombs? It's interesting to remember
22:54
Speaker 2: here and when he was drafted and even when he
22:56
Speaker 2: was kind of coming up through the system, A big
22:58
Speaker 2: question like how much power does he have? We know
23:01
Speaker 2: he can hit, can he hit for power? Is he
23:03
Speaker 2: a thirty homer?
23:05
Speaker 1: Guys?
23:06
Speaker 2: He had twenty five homer guys. You have fifteen homer guy.
23:09
Speaker 2: Riley Green is one pace to have a thirty plus
23:12
Speaker 2: homer season, and he continues to show he's got plenty
23:17
Speaker 2: of pop. Another reason I'm trying to cut back one
23:23
Speaker 2: like criticizing the strikeouts because if you can get the
23:27
Speaker 2: thirty homer version of Riley Green and he's still hitting
23:30
Speaker 2: for average, which he is, it'd be cool if he
23:32
Speaker 2: walked a little more, struck out a little less. I
23:36
Speaker 2: think I want the version of Riley with showing this
23:39
Speaker 2: kind of power.
23:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think about it similarly to this is
23:48
Speaker 1: an extreme example, but like, were you gonna like get
23:52
Speaker 1: on Barry Sanders for like losing yards like he lost
23:56
Speaker 1: the most yards in NFL history? Again extremely example, but
23:59
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying where it's like you got
24:01
Speaker 1: to accept the whole package. In my opinion, you can
24:03
Speaker 1: like work around the margins, you can get better about this,
24:05
Speaker 1: but what he's doing right now is utterly ridiculous. I'm
24:09
Speaker 1: trying to see what is a one ops plus. I mean,
24:15
Speaker 1: we don't have to go through every number because they've
24:17
Speaker 1: all improved since last time we talked. But again, go
24:19
Speaker 1: look listen to that podcast for the case for Riley
24:21
Speaker 1: Green to be an All Star and doing it in
24:24
Speaker 1: a way where he is like very much carrying this
24:27
Speaker 1: offense because a lot of people aren't hitting the ball
24:29
Speaker 1: that well right now, and and maybe that ninth any
24:32
Speaker 1: will spurn some of them. But Riley Green two point
24:36
Speaker 1: one war like he he he, when he is dialed in,
24:41
Speaker 1: I would take him. There's not there's not five guys.
24:44
Speaker 1: I think I take out the plate in the American
24:46
Speaker 1: League when he's dialed.
24:47
Speaker 2: In, Aaron Judge, Bobby Witt was a Ramirez.
24:55
Speaker 1: Who else to callendar?
24:58
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you're talking about when they're dialed in. I
25:02
Speaker 2: think when they're dialed in. Corey Seeger is as good
25:05
Speaker 2: of a hitter as there's in baseball.
25:08
Speaker 1: Sure he was.
25:09
Speaker 2: But I'm about I'm I'm running out of names here.
25:11
Speaker 1: It's not a crazy statement.
25:13
Speaker 2: I'm running out Mike is Mike Does Mike Trout still
25:16
Speaker 2: get dialed in? Like, I don't know? No?
25:19
Speaker 1: So so, Yeah, I just wanted to Riley Green, even
25:23
Speaker 1: though we just talked about and we had to give
25:25
Speaker 1: him a couple of minutes here because he was he
25:27
Speaker 1: was that good and it was really cool to see
25:28
Speaker 1: his parents, especially on the two home run night. You
25:32
Speaker 1: know mom and dad reacting. That was a lot of fun,
25:34
Speaker 1: good wholesome baseball in that George Steinbrenner field. Uh, miloxeymore
25:39
Speaker 1: on there all right. I wanted to spend a couple
25:43
Speaker 1: of minutes here, Cody on this Wentzel Perez saying he
25:47
Speaker 1: had himself he had himself a home run today from
25:50
Speaker 1: the whites right side, and that's his third. He's got
25:54
Speaker 1: six on the year, even split. So that's that. I mean,
25:57
Speaker 1: that's a true switch hitter right there, if there was one,
26:02
Speaker 1: and obviously you know, put them in the lead or whatever.
26:04
Speaker 1: So it was it was very key in at the time.
26:08
Speaker 1: He nearly missed one early in the game too, like
26:11
Speaker 1: not by much, like from the left side. So, uh,
26:15
Speaker 1: the Paris power thing, this six home runs in how
26:19
Speaker 1: many at best does he have? He's got about seventy
26:23
Speaker 1: at bats and he's got six dingers, Like is there
26:28
Speaker 1: any was there ever a time like over the years
26:30
Speaker 1: he thought like, yeah, when Peiz gets to the major leagues,
26:33
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a seventy at bats stretch or he
26:35
Speaker 1: has six home runs three from each time. Because here's
26:40
Speaker 1: the here's the thing about Paris. That's impressive. Impressive to
26:43
Speaker 1: me is that he has the same swing, whether it's
26:46
Speaker 1: a ground ball up the middle or a home run
26:49
Speaker 1: in the right center gap like he had and I
26:51
Speaker 1: and I mean by that where it's like like he
26:53
Speaker 1: has the same like easy approach, like easy swing, Like
26:58
Speaker 1: he's never he he's never trying to do too much,
27:02
Speaker 1: but he does have a plan. He does attack, and uh,
27:05
Speaker 1: this is a guy that I, you know, a couple
27:07
Speaker 1: of years ago, was like, oh, yeah, it's just cute
27:09
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, I give him credit. Man, he's got
27:12
Speaker 1: like he was. He was one of those I have
27:14
Speaker 1: this thing about switch hitters where I think like, if
27:16
Speaker 1: you just are like a tier or two below average
27:21
Speaker 1: from one of those sides, I don't consider that that
27:24
Speaker 1: advantageous that you're a switch switch hitter. So I don't
27:28
Speaker 1: think it should be like, oh, it's just like okay, cool,
27:31
Speaker 1: then he's going to be a third of him of
27:33
Speaker 1: himself from the right side. But the fact that he's
27:36
Speaker 1: able to kind of hone in on this stuff as
27:38
Speaker 1: a switch right now is actually a real advantage advantageous
27:41
Speaker 1: thing for the Tigers. As as we worried about coming
27:46
Speaker 1: into this year, about them facing left handed pitching. So
27:48
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make note of that.
27:50
Speaker 2: Sure, win Perez has been a game changer for the
27:53
Speaker 2: Tigers since he's been back healthy, especially, like you said,
27:56
Speaker 2: a time where not everyone in your lineup is clicking,
28:00
Speaker 2: where Carrie Bonds has kind of disappeared, and you know,
28:03
Speaker 2: the offense in general falling back. You need a little help.
28:07
Speaker 2: You know where you've got that from. You've got it
28:08
Speaker 2: from Winsell Paris. And like you said, like coming into
28:13
Speaker 2: this year, it was like, Okay, he can't hit, he
28:17
Speaker 2: can't hit left handed pitching. Winceil hit two oh nine
28:20
Speaker 2: with basically no pop five ninety four ops from the
28:25
Speaker 2: right side against lefties last year, so it's like, okay,
28:27
Speaker 2: he's useful if he replicates what he did against right handers,
28:32
Speaker 2: even as are we sure that's a guarantee. Well, he's
28:36
Speaker 2: continued to hit well against right handers, and he talked
28:39
Speaker 2: about making some slight adjustments just stance, angle, foot angle.
28:43
Speaker 2: Now he's bashing lefties too. We'll see, like what the
28:49
Speaker 2: numbers end up at the end of the year, But
28:51
Speaker 2: for this month stretch of baseball, Winceil Paris has been
28:55
Speaker 2: invaluable to keeping your team playing, you know, even when
28:58
Speaker 2: you've had some tough losses and the pitching has been
29:00
Speaker 2: in a rough stade and you're cooling off a little bit,
29:03
Speaker 2: keeping your team playing at a first place level overall,
29:07
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it happens without Winstle and without being
29:09
Speaker 2: able to plug him in from either side of the plate.
29:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know the numbers back this up,
29:16
Speaker 1: but I do feel he looks like a more comfortable
29:19
Speaker 1: outfielder this year than they.
29:22
Speaker 2: Looks like he's been doing it for a while now,
29:24
Speaker 2: no longer it looks as new.
29:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it looks like he looks like a ballplayer
29:29
Speaker 1: out there, as opposed to some guy who just kind
29:31
Speaker 1: of got shoved out out into the right field or
29:34
Speaker 1: center field. So credit credit credit to uh to Wentzel there.
29:41
Speaker 1: Speaking of Carpenter, Uh, actually this is gonna be more
29:46
Speaker 1: about Cole Keith, but I want Carpenter to kind of
29:49
Speaker 1: be in in this discussion too, because these are two
29:53
Speaker 1: guys that you were banking on, relying on them for,
29:59
Speaker 1: you know, your left handed offensive production not named Ridley
30:04
Speaker 1: Green and McKinstry, to his credit, has kind of helped
30:07
Speaker 1: alleviate this. Maybe Parker Meadows gets going a little bit
30:11
Speaker 1: with that home run that he had on Sunday, But
30:14
Speaker 1: this is like your core and we saw Carry Carpenter
30:18
Speaker 1: get his you know, time at the top of the
30:21
Speaker 1: lineup when you know, when Parker was out and now
30:23
Speaker 1: Parker's back, and you know, we haven't seen that since.
30:26
Speaker 1: But now Colt is getting leadoff spot opportunities for aj Hanchen.
30:33
Speaker 1: It got me thinking. I was like, I gotta look
30:34
Speaker 1: at these numbers a little bit, because if you're not
30:37
Speaker 1: going to have, like, there's no reason to not put
30:42
Speaker 1: Carry Carpenter up at the top of the lineup, if
30:44
Speaker 1: you're not going to have Parker there, except for the
30:46
Speaker 1: fact that you could argue Colt Keith is a better
30:50
Speaker 1: hitter right now. In fact, there are statistics that bear
30:55
Speaker 1: that out. They basically have the same batty. Now I
30:57
Speaker 1: wrote this down before the game and they went for
31:00
Speaker 1: so all this stuff is all the same, uh basically
31:04
Speaker 1: the same battering average just below two fifty. Uh, Colt
31:08
Speaker 1: gets on base, whereas if Carrie does not get a
31:11
Speaker 1: base hit, he more or less is not getting on base.
31:14
Speaker 1: We we all know this. Uh so Ops, Colt is
31:17
Speaker 1: as a slight edge ops plus Colt one eleven, Carpenter
31:22
Speaker 1: one O five, w RC plus Colt one twelve Carpenter
31:26
Speaker 1: one O four and then no one's gonna confuse Colt
31:30
Speaker 1: Keith as for a goold Glover. And you know credit,
31:33
Speaker 1: you know, give credit to the arm that carry Carpenter has,
31:36
Speaker 1: and you know how that was on display this week.
31:39
Speaker 1: But Cole is aero point seven war player right now,
31:45
Speaker 1: and Carpenter is a point four war player on Baseball Reference.
31:49
Speaker 1: So I'm over here like basically, I'm like, the pop
31:53
Speaker 1: of Colt hasn't really happened yet, because you know, Carrie
31:57
Speaker 1: Carrie Bond stuff. You know, we don't say, you know,
32:00
Speaker 1: we don't say Colt Bonds or you know whatever like that.
32:02
Speaker 1: But like, but Colts having himself actually a pretty solid
32:07
Speaker 1: offensive season. And then you throw in the fact that
32:09
Speaker 1: apparently aj Hinch has no problem throwing him at third base. Uh,
32:14
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do it like a Scott and report
32:15
Speaker 1: and how he does at third base, but aj Hinch,
32:17
Speaker 1: when he needs to, we'll put Colt Keith at either
32:20
Speaker 1: d H or first base or second base or third base.
32:25
Speaker 1: I mean that's not nothing, Cody and we have we
32:29
Speaker 1: have if we're subscribed on YouTube, you could see we
32:31
Speaker 1: have the graphic comparing the two, uh, the county numbers
32:36
Speaker 1: favor Here's what stands out to me. The county number
32:38
Speaker 1: is basically all favorite Carry Carpenter. But Carry Carpenter has
32:42
Speaker 1: thirteen home runs to Colt Keith six. Yet Carpenter only
32:47
Speaker 1: has three more ribbies.
32:49
Speaker 2: It's interesting.
32:51
Speaker 1: I find that interesting.
32:52
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Just the batting average about the same, So
32:55
Speaker 2: sounds like Colt's coming through. We don't. We don't have
32:57
Speaker 2: the splits with runners in the scoring position. We can
32:59
Speaker 2: get a producer on that. But look at the ops,
33:01
Speaker 2: look at the ops. Plus like cold, Keith, I still
33:04
Speaker 2: think is not getting quite enough credit for what he's
33:07
Speaker 2: doing at the plate, maybe just because it hasn't necessarily
33:10
Speaker 2: been flashy. But since he kind of broke out of
33:13
Speaker 2: that slump to start the season, he's been very consistent,
33:17
Speaker 2: very good, very consistently. And now we are seeing him
33:21
Speaker 2: more at third base, which you know, I like, which
33:25
Speaker 2: I think makes a lot of sense. And now it's
33:29
Speaker 2: kind of like, all right, well, how's he gonna be
33:31
Speaker 2: as a third baseman? And I think we've seen a
33:34
Speaker 2: mixed bag so far. We've seen him make some plays.
33:36
Speaker 2: There's like, oh, col Colt kind of nice over there,
33:39
Speaker 2: and then we've seen some errors he had to, you know,
33:42
Speaker 2: just botch a routine play on Sunday. Thinking back, I
33:47
Speaker 2: mean spring, what was it twenty three? I remember first,
33:52
Speaker 2: like first day of spring training, watching Cold Keith and
33:54
Speaker 2: Justin Henry malloy taking grounders at third, and I was like,
33:59
Speaker 2: neither one of these guys are third baseman. I'm sorry,
34:02
Speaker 2: they're just not well. I think that was right with
34:05
Speaker 2: Jay hen and for a time it looked right with Colt.
34:09
Speaker 2: And my big thing was just the way he moved.
34:11
Speaker 2: It just didn't seem fluid, it didn't seem quick twitch.
34:14
Speaker 2: But he was able to make it work at second base,
34:18
Speaker 2: you know, and range wasn't necessarily a strength, but he
34:20
Speaker 2: could handle the routine plays. We saw him get a
34:23
Speaker 2: lot better at second last year. Third still test you more. Man.
34:28
Speaker 2: You're gonna have some balls smoked your way. You better
34:30
Speaker 2: be sure handed. You are gonna have to react even
34:32
Speaker 2: if you're not covering as much ground, and then you
34:35
Speaker 2: have to make the throws. The arm strength on stat
34:39
Speaker 2: cast doesn't grade out as anything crazy, but I tend
34:42
Speaker 2: to think Colt Keith has the arm to play third
34:44
Speaker 2: if needed. I don't know that he's gonna be a
34:47
Speaker 2: plus defender at third base. I'm also not sure he's
34:51
Speaker 2: gonna be Nick Cassiano's level atrocious, But we're gonna see
34:56
Speaker 2: a little more of him over there, I think after
34:58
Speaker 2: not playing there for so long, this it has to
35:00
Speaker 2: be like starting over a little bit.
35:03
Speaker 1: Well, uh, honestly, like whenever he does, like make a
35:08
Speaker 1: like a good play, not you know, not saying he's
35:11
Speaker 1: Scott rolling over there or anything like that, but whenever
35:13
Speaker 1: he makes like a good play, I think sometimes maybe
35:15
Speaker 1: we just overrate and talk about the Peariz thing. Sometimes
35:18
Speaker 1: we just overrate, Like, but this guy is just a ballplayer, man,
35:22
Speaker 1: you know what, Like, maybe that's a lesson that we
35:24
Speaker 1: should have learned from the Hobby Baya's experience. I want,
35:27
Speaker 1: if this guy is just a ballplayer, I'm looking at
35:30
Speaker 1: the Uh. All right, so here's not gonna break down
35:34
Speaker 1: every stat but you asked about runners in scoring position. Uh.
35:38
Speaker 1: Kerry Carpenter batting average zero nine to eight with runners
35:43
Speaker 1: in scoring position, and Cole Keith is batting a cool
35:47
Speaker 1: three oh six with runners.
35:49
Speaker 2: That explains that there there you go.
35:52
Speaker 1: Sometimes things can be uh can be rather simple. But anyway,
35:56
Speaker 1: the point of all this was just that Colt can
36:01
Speaker 1: sometimes be a little bit polarizing. And because he gets
36:05
Speaker 1: the contract and he has a slow start and you
36:07
Speaker 1: know all that stuff, it's not necessarily polarizing, but you
36:10
Speaker 1: see where I'm getting at. He is a rather high
36:14
Speaker 1: up there talking point. But I think we don't recognize
36:18
Speaker 1: how much the manager is, you know, relying on him
36:22
Speaker 1: and and feels comfortable with using him in a variety
36:26
Speaker 1: of situations and positions. Not for nothing, this guy is
36:30
Speaker 1: still not even like what twenty he's not twenty four yet,
36:33
Speaker 1: and he's got major league starts at second base, start
36:37
Speaker 1: base at first base when he was He's not mastered
36:41
Speaker 1: any of them, but they keep yanking him around, and
36:45
Speaker 1: so I give him credit for that and having the
36:47
Speaker 1: attitude with it and all that stuff. So and we've
36:50
Speaker 1: talked for years about like his work, ethic and all
36:53
Speaker 1: that stuff. That's played out too.
36:55
Speaker 2: The more receive cold Keith, like there's just nothing sexy
36:59
Speaker 2: about his game, And I think that's why maybe the
37:01
Speaker 2: perception isn't I don't know, like Carrie's kind of entered
37:05
Speaker 2: full hero status because he's had you know, the homer
37:08
Speaker 2: in the postseason and some other big clutch hovers and
37:10
Speaker 2: Cole hasn't really had those moments yet. And then you
37:13
Speaker 2: look like he's not an emotional player, doesn't really exude
37:17
Speaker 2: a lot of smiles or frustration or anything on the field.
37:21
Speaker 2: He kind of just goes about his business. Doesn't really
37:24
Speaker 2: make highlight defensive plays. Even as a hitter, he's really good,
37:29
Speaker 2: but it's not like, I don't know, he just kind
37:32
Speaker 2: of goes about his business man. He takes his singles,
37:34
Speaker 2: he's not afraid to take some walks here and there.
37:37
Speaker 2: He's got power, but he hasn't quite become that masher
37:40
Speaker 2: that maybe we think of Carrie as a little bit
37:42
Speaker 2: more like he's just been a little bit low key.
37:46
Speaker 2: And I think it's totally fine to be a little
37:50
Speaker 2: bit low key, especially when you're being consistent, and that's
37:53
Speaker 2: what he's been since at least the start of May.
37:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean today at third base,
38:01
Speaker 1: I can't remember who the you know, the runner was,
38:04
Speaker 1: but he stayed on the base and you could tell
38:05
Speaker 1: he like says something to Colt, and Colt like look back,
38:09
Speaker 1: like like shocked, that this person like talk to him
38:12
Speaker 1: like he's just you know what I mean, that's what
38:13
Speaker 1: you mean, like the low key stuff. He's like he's
38:15
Speaker 1: not there to like chat or whatever.
38:17
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna see Colt miked up.
38:19
Speaker 1: And oh man, Yeah, so the whole PSA for the
38:25
Speaker 1: ESPN executives for Sunday Night Baseball probably the next week probably.
38:29
Speaker 2: But I think's smart.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 2: I actually think he's a good conversation if you get him,
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Speaker 2: get him going on the right stuff. He's he's also
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Speaker 2: he's not necessarily the best small talk guy, and I
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Speaker 2: relate to that, like he's just not about like the BS.
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Speaker 2: I kind of appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not trying to waste energy. I respect it, and
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Speaker 1: I respect it. I really do real quick, because we
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Speaker 1: talked about it so much last episode. Cody Uh Dennis
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Speaker 1: Santana was given and if you don't remember that name,
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Speaker 1: that's the picture for the Pirates who jumped up and
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Speaker 1: tried to give a left hook to a fan. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it was a Tigers fan or a
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Speaker 1: Pirates fan. That's mixed reports on that he was given
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Speaker 1: a four game suspension. He did appeal it. Hey, I
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Speaker 1: hope that fan. I hope they figured out who that
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Speaker 1: fan was and you know, gave him some sort of ban.
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Speaker 1: So I want to say that off the top depending
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Speaker 1: on what he said, you know, just you know, the
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Speaker 1: as long as it fits the crime. And then also
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Speaker 1: like people are saying like, oh, you shouldn't you know, well,
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Speaker 1: you can't suspend Santana, like you have to suspend a
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Speaker 1: player when he does that. I think Santana, even though
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Speaker 1: he's appealing it, like he accepts that as like this
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Speaker 1: cannot be a non punished act, even if we all
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Speaker 1: believe he's mostly in the in the right in.
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Speaker 2: Terms of you know, yeah, obviously the league best decided
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Speaker 2: president you can't go after fans. He's probably lucky he
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Speaker 2: didn't make contact with the fan. But I was a
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Speaker 2: little surprised when those four games, I think s because
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Speaker 2: everyone's kind of like that guy must have really set
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Speaker 2: them off, Like he luckily did not actually make contact
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Speaker 2: with him. He didn't climb over the wall and go
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Speaker 2: in there on our test style, like I thought maybe
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Speaker 2: one or two games, you know, because you do unfortunately
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Speaker 2: just press that you have to suspend them. Four games
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Speaker 2: is a little more steep. But then it's like, well,
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Speaker 2: he did take a swing at a fan, so like,
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Speaker 2: what do you expect?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so there has to be a punishment for
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Speaker 1: for is definitely on the high end. I think from
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Speaker 1: what we know about what happened, I'm sure the appeal
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Speaker 1: will probably reduce it to three and and and we'll
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Speaker 1: be on our and we'll be on our merry way
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Speaker 1: and hope, like said, hopefully that fan, whoever that person was,
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Speaker 1: either learns their lesson or is actually punished, because we
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Speaker 1: just can't have that. We just can't have that in
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Speaker 1: a civilized society. So all right, Cody, anything else before
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Speaker 1: we jet out here?
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Speaker 2: No? All good?
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