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Secrets to Self-Control with Drew Dyck & How to Reclaim Your Time from Technology · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S6: If you think about excuses, I think this is one
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  S6: of the most legitimate excuses going for I can't Change
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  S6: and it's because I don't have self control. You know what?
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  S6: It just dawned on me. We need to applaud ourselves
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  S6: when we can say that because then we know I'm serious.
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  S6: I'm serious about this because then we've diagnosed it spot on.
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  S4: Because it's probably as honest as we get. That's maybe
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  S4: one of the most honest, accurate excuses.
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  S6: Yeah, it just dawned on me, this is not a
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  S6: bad approach because what are the other excuses that we
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  S6: have when I can't change that kind of orbit around
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  S6: self control, but it's really not putting our finger on it.
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  S6: Things like I can't change. And so we look at people,
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  S6: we look at circumstances, we look at hours in the day,
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  S6: we look at all this stuff I have, oh, I just,
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  S6: I wasn't raised with real staying power, you know, I mean,
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  S6: I can't hang in there. There's so many reasons. Oh
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  S6: my goodness, that must be why you pinned this crazy
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  S6: book here. Drew Dick.
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  S7: You're absolutely right. When we come to that painful moment
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  S7: of self-realization where we go, hey, guess what? The problem
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  S7: isn't my neighbor, my coworker, my wife, my kids, the dog,
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  S7: the leap year, the bad weather. And we go, it's
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  S7: actually me. My biggest problem is in the mirror. Hey,
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  S7: that's painful, but it's good because it means that you're
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  S7: looking in the right place.
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  S4: Drew Dick, our guest right now, he's an acquisitions editor
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  S4: with Moody Publishers, a contributing editor for Christianity Today for pastors,
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  S4: author of a book we're featuring this morning. Your Future
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  S4: Self will thank you, Secrets to Self Control from the
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  S4: Bible and Brain Science. Let's start with self-control. What do
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  S4: we misunderstand about it?
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  S7: I think often, and it's right there in the word self-control.
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  S7: We think it's all about us. And actually, though, from
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  S7: a biblical perspective, the Bible describes self-control as a fruit
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  S7: of the spirit. That means it's something that God cultivates
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  S7: in our hearts. And Galatians five is, um, has that
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  S7: famous passage with the fruit of the spirit. And right
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  S7: at the end of the list is self-control. And that
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  S7: means that as we're connected to God, just like a
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  S7: plant has to be connected to the soil in order
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  S7: to grow, this fruit of the spirit of self-control means
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  S7: we have to cultivate that vertical connection to God if
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  S7: we want to see it grow in our life. And
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  S7: I think that's good news because sometimes we think, man,
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  S7: I got a white knuckle it. It's all on me.
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  S7: If I'm going to make progress in my life, if
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  S7: I'm going to change. Hey, good news. Yeah, you have
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  S7: some work to do, but you cooperate with God's Spirit
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  S7: and it's amazing how you can grow.
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  S6: You know, it's interesting, drew, I'm just sitting here thinking
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  S6: while you're talking, if self-control were to be something that
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  S6: we got control of himself, if that happened in every
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  S6: Christ's followers life in North America, could you imagine what
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  S6: would happen? No, just think about that. If we could
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  S6: get our brain around that and here's where I'm coming from.
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  S6: So maybe it's specific to me being a pastor. I'm
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  S6: in the people business every day of my life. And
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  S6: I would say 90% of what people are up against.
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  S6: At the end of the day, if self control was
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  S6: to be a fruit of the spirit, oh my goodness,
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  S6: the amount of victories out there would be enormous. Sally.
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  S4: Yeah, I mean, but I think the thing is, it
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  S4: just feels so elusive. I mean, it's one of those
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  S4: like pie in the sky. Like wouldn't. That does sound great.
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  S6: But but and is it that elusive drew. I mean
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  S6: come on. It's a it's a fruit of the spirit.
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  S6: So we know this is God's work. What keeps us
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  S6: from it?
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  S7: Yeah. No, it's definitely God's work and it's God's will.
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  S7: You know, it says in Scripture, we're supposed to grow
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  S7: in godliness. That's that's his will for our lives. And
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  S7: so it's not just a virtue that's reserved for some
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  S7: super saints out there, but it's for all of us.
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  S7: And I think what holds people back sometimes, though, is
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  S7: that we think, oh, I've got to become perfect overnight.
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  S7: I've got to make incredible gains immediately. This is always
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  S7: the trap I fell into. I love New Year's resolutions,
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  S7: and so every year I'd be like, okay, that's it.
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  S7: Starting January 1st, I'm going to be running five miles
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  S7: a day. I'm going to read the Bible for an
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  S7: hour every morning. And guess what happened? Face plant failure
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  S7: every time. And the problem I realized was that I
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  S7: was actually shooting too high. And one thing I learned
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  S7: from reading some of the research on the topic of
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  S7: self-control and willpower is that willpower is a finite resource.
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  S7: We only have so much of it. Thankfully, it can
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  S7: grow like a muscle when we exercise it over time,
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  S7: but you only have so much of it. And if
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  S7: you try to do too much right off the bat,
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  S7: often it's ironic, but it actually sets you up for failure.
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  S7: So the thing I tell people is don't despise small beginnings.
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  S7: Even if you're making a little bit of progress, say
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  S7: you're just starting to open your Bible every day for
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  S7: a couple minutes. You're starting to pray a little bit
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  S7: every day or in just other areas of life exercise,
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  S7: eating a little better. That's okay because you're starting to
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  S7: cultivate those habits in your life that will grow over time.
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  S4: Drew Dick, our guest right now, author of Your Future Self,
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  S4: will thank you. Secrets to Self Control from the Bible
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  S4: and Brain Science. Coming up, let's tackle some of those
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  S4: most common pitfalls when it comes to the self control
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  S4: losing battle with eating, scrolling, procrastination.
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  S6: Oh boy, oh boy.
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  S4: Let's go. They're coming up.
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  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
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  S1: cast and Crew.
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  S4: Well, we've all had this experience in some area or
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  S4: another where you have something that you set out to
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  S4: do on any given day, whether it's complete a project,
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  S4: send that email, X, Y, or Z. And then something
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  S4: happens along the way that distracts you, and then you
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  S4: end up doing the exact thing you did not want
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  S4: to do for far longer than you intended to. The
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  S4: day slips away from you in maybe an afternoon slips
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  S4: away from you and you look back and you beat
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  S4: yourself up. Your lack of willpower, your lack of self-control
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  S4: has gotten you again, drew Dick. You ever had a
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  S4: day like that? You had the best of intentions.
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  S6: But then never had one of those.
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  S4: I'll bet two hours of Instagram or Twitter or ex later.
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  S7: Never, never, never know. That's what I'd say if my
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  S7: kids were listening. But I can be honest with you guys. Yeah.
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  S7: When you said we're going to talk about scrolling and
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  S7: eating too much, I almost checked out. Uh, these are
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  S7: constant battles. Um, and so, you know, one thing, and
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  S7: I talk about this in the book, it's like, uh,
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  S7: it's good to visit the future once in a while
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  S7: because often we give in to those temptations and maybe
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  S7: they're not even sinful, but they're just kind of dumb, right?
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  S7: Like binging Netflix every night or taking out a row
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  S7: of Oreos. But for me, sometimes it's helpful to be like, okay, hey,
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  S7: what kind of person do I want to be a
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  S7: month down the road, a year down the road? And
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  S7: there's something about visiting the future that helps us in
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  S7: the present. There was this one study that they showed
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  S7: people pictures of their digitally aged faces, and they found
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  S7: that when they did that, people started saving more for retirement.
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  S7: And why is that? Well, because they didn't want to
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  S7: be broke in the future, right? There's something about taking
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  S7: that imaginative leap into the future that actually motivates good
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  S7: behavior in the present. And we see this all throughout Scripture.
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  S7: You know, Paul talks about this. He says, I press on. Why?
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  S7: So I can feel good in the moment. Know I
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  S7: press on to receive the prize for which God has
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  S7: called me heavenward. Right. So we as Christians, we're future
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  S7: oriented people, and we really need to think about that
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  S7: if we're going to exercise this kind of self-control in
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  S7: the present, because that's what it always is, right? It's
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  S7: a shortcut to feeling good to, you know, whatever in
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  S7: the in the moment, giving in to our fleshly desires
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  S7: that gets us in trouble. But if we can trust
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  S7: God with our future and say, hey, God, what kind
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  S7: of person are you calling me to be and envision that,
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  S7: that really helps.
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  S6: I love this, drew. We've had you on before and
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  S6: we've never drilled down on this, but I'm a big
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  S6: believer that if you don't have a big, holy, audacious
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  S6: vision in front of you. Why, why, why do what
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  S6: you're going to do to even get there. So let's
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  S6: let's go after that for a second. How do you
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  S6: propose we do that? Because let's just say that somebody's
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  S6: vision for their life is too puny right now. And
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  S6: you want them to have a God sized vision for
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  S6: their life, to redeem it, to be healthy in it, whatever.
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  S6: How do we do that?
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  S7: Yeah, I think one thing is taking the things that
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  S7: you know, you need to do and attaching it to
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  S7: God's calling for your life. Uh, as I was researching
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  S7: for this book, I remember reading about sanctified goals. And
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  S7: that's not a term that was coined by Christians, that
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  S7: was actually by secular researchers, because what they found was
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  S7: that when you have a goal, say it's even a
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  S7: mundane sort of natural goal of I want to be healthier.
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  S7: If you say, well, I want to be healthier, to
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  S7: fit into these jeans by summer, you're actually not very
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  S7: likely to make that goal. But if you say, I
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  S7: want to be healthier because I believe if you if
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  S7: you lend some spiritual significance to it and say, I
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  S7: believe that if I'm healthier, I'll be better able to
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  S7: fulfill God's call in my life. I'll be able to
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  S7: minister to people better. I'll be able to be there
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  S7: for my kids, for my church community, you name it.
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  S7: You will have a far greater likelihood of achieving that
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  S7: goal because that's how God wired us up. We need
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  S7: an overriding purpose, a higher calling on our life to
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  S7: motivate us to do these things. It doesn't happen in
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  S7: a vacuum. So that's one thing. And I think as Christians,
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  S7: it's safe to say, hey, we should be doing that
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  S7: all the time. We should be doing everything that we
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  S7: do through a spiritual lens, not through merely a natural one.
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  S4: Drew, there's so many things that are working against us
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  S4: in terms of self control. Nothing is new under the sun.
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  S4: So I'm not suggesting that this is a new phenomenon,
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  S4: but I noticed in my kids who have grown up
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  S4: in this digital age, the attention span, even the ability
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  S4: to focus for long periods of time on a task
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  S4: is so difficult for the younger generation. But for us too,
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  S4: because we get pings, we get constant interruptions. How do
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  S4: we work to counteract just the The environmental difficulties, the
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  S4: distractions that make self-control feel almost impossible.
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  S7: It is such a huge issue. And you're right, there's
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  S7: nothing new under the sun, but there kind of is
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  S7: when it comes to this stuff. Because I'll tell you what,
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  S7: past generations didn't have to deal with social media and
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  S7: email and a thousand streaming services. And so we have
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  S7: to be extra vigilant. I'm dealing with this all the time,
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  S7: not only with my kids. You know, it's easy to go, oh,
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  S7: those teenagers, they're glued to their phones. It's a temptation
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  S7: for me too, for sure. And so it's a constant battle.
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  S7: One thing that I've found helpful is just having what
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  S7: some people call a bright line strategy in my life,
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  S7: where you make some hard and fast rules. And this
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  S7: might sound like legalism, but I think it's just wisdom
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  S7: surrounding tech. So maybe it's no phone after 8 p.m..
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  S7: One thing my family did, you know intermittently at least,
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  S7: is have a no screen Sunday. And man, you know,
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  S7: when we violated it, it was usually dad, sadly, who
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  S7: was the one sneaking his phone, you know, looking at
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  S7: it under the table. But when we did this, when
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  S7: we've done it, it's a little slice of heaven. Yeah.
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  S7: All of a sudden, we're looking at each other in
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  S7: the eyes. We got time to dwell on God's goodness
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  S7: and and hang out together and go for a walk
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  S7: and get out in nature just one day of the week.
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  S7: Because if you don't set up some of those boundaries
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  S7: in your life for tech, it will crowd into every
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  S7: nook and cranny. You'll have the phone with you in
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  S7: the bed. You'll be looking at it first thing in
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  S7: the morning, last thing at night. It will crowd out
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  S7: family time around a table. It is absolutely essential, I think,
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  S7: for believers in Christ, especially, to redeem some of our time,
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  S7: wrestle it back from the monster of technology.
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  S6: You know what? You're not overstating that. I've been so
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  S6: convicted by this. I've got a flight coming up here,
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  S6: and you know where my last little respite was in
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  S6: a bad you know, usually when you get a Wi-Fi
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  S6: service at 40,000ft in Delta Airlines, the connection is so bad,
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  S6: you might as well not spend your 20 bucks. It's awful.
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  S6: Now with Starlink, they're saying it's faster internet speeds at
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  S6: 400 zero feet than it is on the ground. And
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  S6: you know what? That's not funny though. Is it true.
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  S6: Because we're going to have to get proactive because this stuff,
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  S6: this technology is getting more and more and more accessible,
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  S6: easier to use 100%.
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  S7: And you know, they say, why? Why do you have
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  S7: your best thoughts in the shower? Because it's the only
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  S7: place you can't take your phone, right? And so, man,
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  S7: whenever you can free yourself from that, it does wonders
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  S7: for your life.
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  S4: Drew Dick, our guest this morning. If you want more,
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  S4: just text future to 805 557898. Your future self will
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  S4: thank you. Just text future to 805 557898.
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  S6: Yeah, I'm gonna put a plug. This is a phenomenal book.
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  S6: I've read it cover to cover. This thing's really good.
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  S6: It's got like practical takeaways in this thing. So I
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  S6: echo Ali text future to 800 555, 78, 98.
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  S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.
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  S1: Super Dye is in the crew. It's Carl and crew
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  S1: on Moody Radio.
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  S6: Talking this whole week of I can't change because. And
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  S6: I think oftentimes, uh, what what pops up is, well, uh,
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  S6: I don't have time. Right?
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  S4: Yes. I don't have time to do the thing that
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  S4: I would like to do that would help me change.
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  S6: Yeah. And the fact is, we do. Uh, here's some
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  S6: rough stats, and then we're going to go to a
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  S6: break and we're going to we're going to get some
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  S6: answers to this one 8 to 10 hours a day
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  S6: on average screen time. Okay. That's not television. 2 to
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  S6: 3 hours television or some kind of streaming service. Okay.
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  S6: Here's the real staggering one. 82 150 pickups of a
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  S6: cell phone in a day. That means breaking concentration. Break
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  S6: in connectivity. We've all done it. Been in a conversation
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  S6: and you just grab it. Or maybe you don't even
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  S6: say anything. You just kind of look at it while
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  S6: you're talking to see if it's something that you need
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  S6: to get or not.
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  S4: Right?
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  S6: But the numbers are utterly staggering. It's an epidemic, and
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  S6: you said it earlier. It falls into the addiction category
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  S6: for sure.
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  S4: Right. And it's it's not something that we want to
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  S4: say because who wants to say, yeah, I'm totally addicted
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  S4: to my smartphone. But in terms of our behavior, those
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  S4: stats would would reveal that we are and that the
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  S4: compulsive checking 100. What else do we do 100 times
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  S4: in a day? What else do we reach for?
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  S6: It's a big deal, isn't it? So you got a question,
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  S6: don't you, Ali?
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  S4: Yeah. I'm curious if you if the Lord has shown
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  S4: you something about time wasted, maybe specifically with your screen
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  S4: usage and you've been able to get some real victory,
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  S4: maybe made some adjustments, slight or even drastic. What steps
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  S4: have you taken to get control over your tech usage? 800. 555, 78, 98.
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  S4: Not perfect. None of us are. But God's given you
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  S4: a measure of victory here and you'd like to share
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  S4: with others. 805. Five. Five, 78. 98.
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  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
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  S6: God longs for us today to seek him and ask
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  S6: him to move in ways that we never could.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S6: Sometimes we don't think we have time to seek the
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  S6: face of the Lord, but the stats don't lie. I mean,
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  S6: passive entertainment, TV scrolling, scrolling. Uh, this is amazing. 2
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  S6: to 4 hours can be up to four hours a day.
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  S6: TV and streaming. Putting those together. Uh, but here's the
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  S6: kicker on this thing. I mean, I can get into
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  S6: unproductive meetings all day long. They've got stats on this,
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  S6: but this out of the University of California research Search.
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  S6: After an interruption, it can take 23 minutes to fully
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  S6: refocus on what you were engaged in.
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  S4: Really?
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  S2: Yeah, I think that's totally fair.
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  S6: That this is really convicting stuff, man. We need to
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  S6: do a whole week on how we're going to reclaim time.
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  S6: Get every expert in we can think of because this
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  S6: is big. We say we don't have time for discipleship,
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  S6: but we've got 8 to 10 hours between phone pickups, disconnects,
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  S6: and screen time, whether it's TV, whatever, even watching Jeffrey
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  S6: Bear on public television. All right, let's go to the
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  S6: phone lines. What do you got?
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  S4: Yeah. We're asking you, what has God shown you that
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  S4: has helped you get some victory in this area of
• 17:26
  S4: your phone tech use? Uh, Tanya, first time caller from Alabama.
• 17:30
  S4: What do you say? What's God showing you that's helped?
• 17:34
  S8: Hey. Good morning. So, um, there was a time in
• 17:39
  S8: my life about 5 or 6 years ago that I
• 17:41
  S8: felt really convicted about spending a lot of endless time scrolling,
• 17:46
  S8: picking up my phone, wondering what people are, you know,
• 17:50
  S8: chatting about, commenting on. And the Lord just showed me
• 17:54
  S8: there's two different areas in the Bible where I saw
• 17:57
  S8: this verse of Scripture. If I can read it real
• 17:59
  S8: quick for you.
• 18:00
  S9: Sure.
• 18:01
  S8: One of them. Yeah. One of them is Jeremiah, I believe. Two, five.
• 18:05
  S8: Hang on just one second.
• 18:08
  S6: We're going to have to fly a little bit here, Tanya.
• 18:11
  S8: And it says they worshiped worthless idols only to become
• 18:17
  S8: worthless themselves.
• 18:20
  S3: Oh.
• 18:21
  S6: What translation is that? In what translation?
• 18:24
  S8: New Living translation. It is the, um, the the what
• 18:30
  S8: is it called? The Bible study, where it's got like
• 18:33
  S8: everything in it that you learn from and it's got
• 18:35
  S8: the footnotes.
• 18:36
  S9: Okay. That's good, that's good, that's good. Life application. I'm sorry. No, no, no.
• 18:40
  S9: That's great.
• 18:41
  S8: A little bit of coffee here.
• 18:43
  S9: So.
• 18:44
  S8: But anyway, so I am 52, 53. Have not been
• 18:48
  S8: on any social platforms Facebook, Instagram, whatever. I cut them
• 18:52
  S8: all out. Wow. My life has been so much better. Um,
• 18:56
  S8: I don't worry about it. I got rid of it. Now,
• 18:58
  S8: at first it drove me crazy and I was like,
• 19:00
  S8: oh my God, this is terrible. I couldn't sleep at night.
• 19:02
  S8: And it was an addiction for sure.
• 19:04
  S9: Yeah.
• 19:04
  S8: And I laid it down, walked away. God gave me
• 19:07
  S8: the power to do that. And it was like, okay,
• 19:09
  S8: you're spending all this time doing that, worshiping these worthless idols.
• 19:14
  S8: That's the reason why you're.
• 19:15
  S9: Ineffective in the.
• 19:16
  S8: Kingdom.
• 19:17
  S6: Yeah.
• 19:18
  S8: And, and yeah, that was it.
• 19:21
  S6: I got it, I got it. And I'll tell you something.
• 19:23
  S6: Here's what's amazing, Tanya. You aren't the lesser for it.
• 19:26
  S6: You're the richer for it.
• 19:28
  S1: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus.
• 19:31
  S6: God longs for.
• 19:33
  S1: Us.
• 19:33
  S6: Today to seek him and ask him to move in
• 19:36
  S6: ways that we never could.
• 19:38
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 19:40
  S6: We could be in the biggest crisis of time, redemption
• 19:44
  S6: in the history of mankind right now. And I would
• 19:48
  S6: venture to say you'd have to build a really strong
• 19:51
  S6: case to find any time, any country, any culture that
• 19:54
  S6: had a more of a crisis with time redemption than
• 19:59
  S6: what we live in right now.
• 20:00
  S4: That's a bold statement. I got to back it up.
• 20:02
  S6: I, I'm telling you, let me go through some things here.
• 20:05
  S6: This is it's going to be a little bit shocking,
• 20:08
  S6: a little bit scary, but we got to talk about it.
• 20:11
  S6: Average adults spending, depending on the research study, you have
• 20:16
  S6: somewhere between 2.5 to 4 plus hours, five hours a
• 20:21
  S6: day on their phones. Social media alone is accounting for
• 20:26
  S6: somewhere around 2 to 2.5 hours a day. This is,
• 20:29
  S6: on average, people check their phones. These are pick up
• 20:32
  S6: your phone, look at it 80 to 150 plus times
• 20:36
  S6: a day. The biggest challenge group right now is 18
• 20:41
  S6: to 35. They are in the upper reaches of these
• 20:45
  S6: numbers may be beyond. That's not including television streaming services,
• 20:51
  S6: which is another two to 2.5 hours a day.
• 20:54
  S2: Wow.
• 20:56
  S6: That's not including context switching, which is multitasking, which does
• 21:01
  S6: not work, by the way. There's plenty of studies on that.
• 21:04
  S2: Yes.
• 21:04
  S6: People say they can multitask. Actually, you lose focus radically
• 21:08
  S6: after an interruption. It takes, according to University of California Research,
• 21:12
  S6: 23 minutes to fully refocus your mind on the project
• 21:16
  S6: you were on.
• 21:17
  S2: And let's talk about these micro checks for a minute,
• 21:20
  S2: because you don't get to being on your phone for
• 21:23
  S2: hours a day with like two micro checks where you've
• 21:27
  S2: got like, oh, I checked my phone for two minutes
• 21:29
  S2: and I did it again two hours later. No, you
• 21:31
  S2: check your phone for two minutes and then you get
• 21:33
  S2: off of it in about five minutes later, you check
• 21:35
  S2: it again and then you get off of it. And
• 21:37
  S2: then about ten minutes later you check it again. And
• 21:40
  S2: it's the micro checks have to be close together. And
• 21:43
  S2: that's kind of what it does. You check it and
• 21:45
  S2: then for the next ten minutes, all you're thinking about
• 21:48
  S2: is I'd like to get back on that thing. And
• 21:50
  S2: then eventually you do.
• 21:51
  S4: You know, not to add to the.
• 21:53
  S6: Oh boy.
• 21:54
  S9: But not to add to.
• 21:56
  S4: Well, but I you know, the stat that got me
• 21:58
  S4: is when you like the hours a day, that's one thing.
• 22:01
  S4: But when you total it up like the amount of years.
• 22:05
  S6: Oh no, I saw those stats. I think TV is
• 22:07
  S6: what on average something like five six years.
• 22:11
  S4: And you think about life years of your life. And
• 22:13
  S4: so one stat for someone who's born in 2025, so
• 22:17
  S4: born into this pattern. And so their whole lifetime is
• 22:22
  S4: spent like this. It's something like 21 years.
• 22:24
  S6: 21 years of your life.
• 22:25
  S4: 21 years of your life.
• 22:27
  S2: And on average, people spend roughly 9 to 10 years
• 22:29
  S2: of their lives watching television.
• 22:32
  S6: 9 to 9 to.
• 22:33
  S9: What.
• 22:33
  S2: 9 to 10 years?
• 22:35
  S6: Oh, yeah, this is a crisis and I. And I'm
• 22:40
  S6: going to be bold. I how could it in any time,
• 22:45
  S6: any culture, anywhere been worse than it is right now?
• 22:48
  S6: There's no possible way just because of the advent of phones.
• 22:51
  S4: Okay, so here's here's a slight pushback.
• 22:54
  S6: Okay. Go ahead.
• 22:55
  S4: So some of that time is redemptive. So many, many
• 23:00
  S4: people use their device to read and study the word
• 23:04
  S4: to accomplish things that are work related. So certainly not
• 23:09
  S4: all time spent on the screen. We can't assume that
• 23:12
  S4: all time is unredeemed because it's on a phone.
• 23:15
  S9: Correct? Agreed.
• 23:16
  S6: But not all time is. But let's just say let's
• 23:21
  S6: be generous and let's say 50% of the time on
• 23:25
  S6: the phone is well redeemed.
• 23:26
  S2: And that's that is probably very generous.
• 23:28
  S4: You know, you're FaceTiming loved ones, you're communicating via text,
• 23:32
  S4: which isn't.
• 23:33
  S6: You got an email you got to respond.
• 23:34
  S9: To.
• 23:34
  S4: Sure. So it's not all okay. So let's say 50%.
• 23:39
  S6: Yeah. That still gives you 11 years of life. That
• 23:43
  S6: is unredeemed, right?
• 23:44
  S4: I mean, it gets a little bit better, but yeah.
• 23:47
  S6: And I don't even want to get into unproductive meetings
• 23:50
  S6: because they got stats on this now. I will I'll
• 23:52
  S6: say it, 30 to 50% of meetings are considered unnecessary
• 23:57
  S6: weren't needed.
• 23:58
  S4: This is.
• 23:58
  S9: Just meetings.
• 23:59
  S4: Meetings. Meetings across the board.
• 24:00
  S6: Yeah. I've been in those meetings.
• 24:03
  S2: Oh sure. That's why.
• 24:05
  S6: That's why Lencioni wrote wrote the book Death by meeting.
• 24:08
  S2: Mhm.
• 24:11
  S6: Super encouraging programming.
• 24:13
  S4: Okay, so back to what you said at the top,
• 24:16
  S4: that this we could be in the midst of the
• 24:18
  S4: biggest crisis. Crisis in time, time, redemption.
• 24:22
  S9: Yeah.
• 24:23
  S6: In the history of mankind.
• 24:24
  S2: I think that's fair TV. Obviously a big one. 9
• 24:27
  S2: to 10 years of your life is spent watching it. Uh,
• 24:30
  S2: you know.
• 24:31
  S9: Now.
• 24:31
  S6: You can stream it. I mean, back in.
• 24:32
  S2: The.
• 24:32
  S6: Old days, you don't even remember this young thunder. You
• 24:35
  S6: have to get up off your booty. Go up. Turn
• 24:38
  S6: this knob.
• 24:39
  S2: You correct, I don't I wasn't there for those.
• 24:42
  S6: And now so am I saying bring back the knobs? No, no,
• 24:47
  S6: what I'm saying is we gotta we just gotta do
• 24:49
  S6: something here.
• 24:50
  S2: Yeah. Well, I mean, people were worried about it when
• 24:52
  S2: there were six channels. And if there was nothing on,
• 24:54
  S2: you just turned it off. Like, you know, that people
• 24:57
  S2: were worried about it back then. And now you can
• 24:59
  S2: literally take it wherever you go, have access to anything
• 25:04
  S2: you'd ever want to watch. There's no there's no limit
• 25:08
  S2: on it. And it is with you at all times
• 25:10
  S2: of the day. I think, I think absolutely this is
• 25:13
  S2: the biggest crisis of time.
• 25:15
  S9: To get it.
• 25:15
  S6: Under control. Man said something earlier. I'm gonna say it again.
• 25:19
  S6: I go to Kenya, man. I'm seeing these disciples of
• 25:21
  S6: Christ four months old. They've been through because they they
• 25:26
  S6: don't have well, they do have phones. They're now, by
• 25:28
  S6: the way, but they don't have the financial means to
• 25:32
  S6: download all these apps, and they don't have to bank
• 25:34
  S6: on those things because they don't have money like we
• 25:38
  S6: have here. So there's a lot less distractions for sure.
• 25:42
  S6: But I went into an unreached people group and I
• 25:45
  S6: saw it and it's very convicting. You've got people that
• 25:48
  S6: have been four months in Christ that no more truly,
• 25:51
  S6: no more good information that they can put into application
• 25:56
  S6: than someone who's been in church for 40 years in
• 25:58
  S6: the West.
• 25:59
  S4: Yeah. So we're asking you a question this morning. How
• 26:02
  S4: has what has God shown you that has helped you
• 26:04
  S4: get some victory in this area? We made the case
• 26:08
  S4: for the challenge that it is, and you know it
• 26:10
  S4: based on your own experience. But what has God given
• 26:13
  S4: you that's given you some victory? 800 555, 78, 98,
• 26:18
  S4: 800 555, 7898.
• 26:21
  S6: Patrick, thanks for holding on, man. First time caller South Florida.
• 26:24
  S6: What do you say, my man?
• 26:26
  S10: I'd say man, well timed event. We teach on it.
• 26:30
  S10: We're addicted, I get it, but also want to step
• 26:33
  S10: up and say, hey, this is a great tool. It
• 26:36
  S10: connects us to Africa, to missionaries. As a matter of fact,
• 26:39
  S10: I even got on it was that the our church said, hey,
• 26:43
  S10: get on social media. But with that, we need parameters.
• 26:46
  S10: And I remember being on Facebook and getting into discussions
• 26:50
  S10: and waking up in the morning because I'm going to
• 26:52
  S10: correct the world. And I remember hearing clearly from God.
• 26:57
  S10: You know, they needed me, but I heard from God
• 26:59
  S10: right when I picked up my phone and it said,
• 27:01
  S10: are you going to seek my face or Facebook? Oh,
• 27:04
  S10: and at that point, I just stopped and got off
• 27:08
  S10: of it, made some I went Facebook like turned off notifications.
• 27:12
  S10: As a family, we keep our phone at the charger
• 27:14
  S10: when you first walk into the door.
• 27:16
  S9: Good.
• 27:16
  S10: Move. And yeah, and here's the thing about meetings. I
• 27:20
  S10: used to say that about meetings there. You know, give
• 27:22
  S10: it to me in a memo. Uh, you can put it,
• 27:24
  S10: you know, in the title of my email and I
• 27:26
  S10: could get everything out of it. But we got to
• 27:28
  S10: remember the face to face communication. The contact were meant
• 27:33
  S10: for relationships with each other.
• 27:35
  S6: No, I think I think there's but I think intentionality
• 27:38
  S6: would be good in those meetings if. And let's like
• 27:42
  S6: stop in. Why don't we share with some people in
• 27:46
  S6: five minutes what you're up against and how you can
• 27:49
  S6: pray for one another? You can't do that in a
• 27:51
  S6: board meeting. Most companies. But you know what I mean.
• 27:54
  S6: But yeah, that's I mean, both of these are true.
• 27:57
  S6: You gotta, you gotta have face to face time. But
• 28:01
  S6: I love what you're doing. Are you having success? How
• 28:03
  S6: old are your kids? Or is it just you and
• 28:05
  S6: your bride? Are you empty, nester? What's going on?
• 28:08
  S10: Yes. Second time parents. So we're raising a 13 year
• 28:11
  S10: old grandson, and that's a blessing. So we are more
• 28:14
  S10: intentional this time around. And we're enjoying.
• 28:18
  S9: It.
• 28:18
  S6: That's cool man. Patrick.
• 28:20
  S9: Boom.
• 28:20
  S6: Brother. That's why we call you the Boom crew. Thanks
• 28:23
  S6: for holding on forever with us. Allie's got a question
• 28:26
  S6: for you. Boom.
• 28:27
  S4: Yeah. What has God shown you? This helped you get
• 28:29
  S4: some victory over your phone or tech usage. Not perfect.
• 28:34
  S4: We're not asking for perfection, but if God's shown you
• 28:36
  S4: some things that have really helped you or your family.
• 28:39
  S4: Tell us about it. 805 557898 (800) 555-7898.
• 28:46
  S6: Looks like we got a theme going here, Clara in Indianapolis.
• 28:50
  S6: What do you do with your notifications? You're turning them off.
• 28:53
  S9: I.
• 28:53
  S11: I turn off my notifications if I'm reading, I turn
• 28:57
  S11: my phone on silent. And then I also put it
• 29:01
  S11: face down so that if it does light up, that
• 29:04
  S11: it doesn't distract me. And then at night time, I
• 29:06
  S11: put it on airplane mode. That's another thing I do
• 29:09
  S11: because I don't want anything coming in to disrupt.
• 29:12
  S9: Yeah.
• 29:12
  S6: No that's good. Yeah. I mean, there's this. Yeah, I
• 29:17
  S6: don't have my ringer on ever. Mainly because for radio
• 29:20
  S6: that doesn't work.
• 29:22
  S2: Correct.
• 29:22
  S6: That would be bad News Bears.
• 29:24
  S2: Yeah. The phones would have to go in a bucket
• 29:26
  S2: if we kept our ringers on.
• 29:27
  S6: Yeah. Bucket with a lid on it. Yeah, but. Okay,
• 29:30
  S6: we're taking your calls. Come on, come on, let's go.
• 29:33
  S6: What do you say, Ali?
• 29:34
  S4: What has God shown you that's helped you get some
• 29:36
  S4: victory over scrolling? Maybe Facebook? Too much time spent online. 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
• 29:44
  S4: Taking your calls. Your stories this morning.
• 29:46
  S1: 805 557898 This is Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 29:54
  S6: Carl and crew. And we are talking about time redemption
• 29:57
  S6: here because the stats don't lie.
• 30:00
  S4: The amount of time that we are spending on our
• 30:02
  S4: phones attached to this device, so many hours picking it
• 30:06
  S4: up 100 or more times a day. What has God
• 30:09
  S4: shown you that's helped you get some victory in this area? 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
• 30:15
  S4: Rich from Ohio. What do you say? What has God
• 30:17
  S4: shown you that's helped?
• 30:20
  S12: Well, I was born back in the 60s or 50s and, uh,
• 30:26
  S12: in my 70s and 80s. I was addicted to some
• 30:29
  S12: of my phone in addiction way. And God told me that.
• 30:34
  S12: Put your phone away. Go back to the basics. Don't
• 30:37
  S12: waste your time on the phone on unnecessary things. As
• 30:42
  S12: an example, back when back in the 70s, it really
• 30:46
  S12: didn't have cell phones. And so God called me and
• 30:50
  S12: taught me and told me, Richie, you need to go
• 30:52
  S12: back to the basics before cell phones. So I would,
• 30:57
  S12: you know, you got to be careful. I had to
• 31:00
  S12: be careful at the time that I was wasting on
• 31:02
  S12: my cell phone. And my love language is giving a
• 31:06
  S12: gifts and nurturing people. And it was stealing my time
• 31:09
  S12: away from that. The talents and the gifts that God
• 31:12
  S12: gave me. So you got to be careful.
• 31:15
  S6: What you do, Rich.
• 31:16
  S12: What you're talking about.
• 31:17
  S6: What did you do? What are you doing?
• 31:21
  S12: Well, I do a lot of, uh, street ministry.
• 31:24
  S6: No, no, no, what I'm asking about Rich, is. What
• 31:26
  S6: are you doing with your phone? How are you getting
• 31:28
  S6: control of it?
• 31:30
  S12: I just basically probably 70, 80% of the time, I
• 31:35
  S12: just it's not with me. It's not on me. If
• 31:38
  S12: somebody needs me, I can get back with them later.
• 31:41
  S12: So I, I don't let the cell phone control my time.
• 31:45
  S6: That's awesome.
• 31:46
  S12: It's not on me. It's I just keep it away
• 31:49
  S12: from me all the time. And I would highly recommend
• 31:53
  S12: to try that and break the cycles that you're going through.
• 31:58
  S6: Yeah. There's people shaking right now listening to.
• 32:00
  S4: You.
• 32:02
  S6: Quivering. But it's I mean, it's good. I mean, my
• 32:06
  S6: thought is you got to give people a heads up
• 32:08
  S6: that you're doing this because we live in a culture
• 32:10
  S6: that's on demand right now.
• 32:11
  S4: Right, right. But I think that the principle behind it,
• 32:14
  S4: it doesn't have to be attached to us as often
• 32:17
  S4: as it is. I think that's a good takeaway.
• 32:19
  S6: Is it Makia from Plainfield? Is that your name? Makiya,
• 32:25
  S6: you with us?
• 32:26
  S13: Hello? Yeah. Yep.
• 32:28
  S6: Good. What do you do?
• 32:30
  S13: Uh. So when I get home, I take my cell
• 32:32
  S13: phone and I put it on the charger upstairs, and
• 32:35
  S13: I usually spend most of my time downstairs. But the
• 32:38
  S13: thing is, we. So when the phone rings, I ignore it.
• 32:40
  S13: But we have a two prong approach. So, um, we
• 32:44
  S13: also have one of those VoIP numbers for a house phone.
• 32:48
  S13: We still have kind of like a landline. So we
• 32:51
  S13: hear the phone ring upstairs. We ignore it, but if
• 32:53
  S13: then it rings the house phone, then we know that it's, um,
• 32:57
  S13: somebody important, like, because we only give that phone out
• 32:59
  S13: to like the kids school or to like close family.
• 33:02
  S13: Good idea. That's how we handle that.
• 33:03
  S6: Way to go, Makiya. Way to go. Good idea. That's
• 33:07
  S6: not bad.
• 33:08
  S4: Yeah, I mean, I have I have kept a landline phone.
• 33:11
  S4: I know a lot of people have gone.
• 33:13
  S14: You got a landline?
• 33:14
  S4: I have a landline phone.
• 33:15
  S14: I know that.
• 33:15
  S4: I. I don't use it a ton, but I, I've
• 33:19
  S4: kept one because I want to be able to not
• 33:21
  S4: just be fully reliant on the cell phone.
• 33:24
  S6: Good move. Ali. All right. Taking your calls. What's your.
• 33:27
  S6: What are you doing? What are you doing? How is
• 33:29
  S6: God showing you? What has God shown you that has
• 33:32
  S6: helped you get some victory over your phone? Tech usage.
• 33:36
  S6: 805 five. 57898.
• 33:39
  S1: This is Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 33:43
  S6: Probably don't want to hear that again. I mean, this
• 33:46
  S6: this one today. I mean, my goodness, this topic of
• 33:50
  S6: time redemption. This is this is tough. This is tough. Okay, Catherine,
• 33:56
  S6: first time caller in fishers, Indiana. What do you say
• 34:00
  S6: with regard to what God's showing you to help you
• 34:02
  S6: get victory with your tech?
• 34:05
  S15: Well, this is a really great topic and thank you
• 34:08
  S15: for having it. And, uh, you know, I see my
• 34:10
  S15: grandkids and my family and they're all on their phones. And, um,
• 34:15
  S15: so what I did, I actually made my wallpaper the
• 34:18
  S15: face of Jesus. And so that every time I turn
• 34:21
  S15: on my phone, he's looking at me. And so I,
• 34:27
  S15: you know, it reminds me that, hey, what's important here?
• 34:30
  S15: God's watching. And so, uh, then it, you know, it
• 34:35
  S15: encourages me to, um, to put down my phone and
• 34:39
  S15: to pay attention to the ministry that he's put in
• 34:41
  S15: front of me, which is my family.
• 34:43
  S6: Hey, whatever it takes.
• 34:45
  S15: Yes, I know that there are some apps out there
• 34:48
  S15: as well. I don't know what they are specifically, but
• 34:50
  S15: I've seen them, um, where they will, uh, shut off
• 34:54
  S15: your social media and they'll shut off the internet.
• 34:57
  S6: Yeah. I mean, it's not even apps. Yeah. It does.
• 35:00
  S6: I mean, there's something called bloom that you can load
• 35:03
  S6: up onto your phone and your devices. And I mean,
• 35:07
  S6: there's lots of tools. I mean, here's what's crazy. This
• 35:09
  S6: has become such an epidemic. There's a whole industry about
• 35:12
  S6: getting people off the phone.
• 35:14
  S4: I know there's a like a device that will disable
• 35:17
  S4: it for you for certain time periods. I mean, this
• 35:20
  S4: is yeah, the fact that there's an industry, a tech
• 35:23
  S4: industry to help you manage your tech is, is ironic, right?
• 35:26
  S6: Yeah. Ralph in Florida, what do you say, Ralph?
• 35:30
  S16: I'm doing great. Thank you. Carl. I appreciate your brother.
• 35:33
  S16: And I just want to say your testimony that I heard,
• 35:36
  S16: I think it was this week or last week. It
• 35:38
  S16: was amazing. I came from that. And I appreciate your
• 35:40
  S16: brother for sharing that.
• 35:41
  S6: I love you, Ralph.
• 35:43
  S16: Thank you for so much for that. And thank you
• 35:45
  S16: for allowing me on your on your radio. But I
• 35:48
  S16: wanted to share is that the, the media is like,
• 35:52
  S16: like money. It's it's not it's not a curse. It's
• 35:55
  S16: a blessing if you know how to use it. Yeah.
• 35:57
  S16: And one thing, one thing about the media is I
• 36:00
  S16: use that cell phone is for business. But one of
• 36:02
  S16: the things that I have done is that I, I've downloaded,
• 36:05
  S16: I added scriptures to my daily reminders. So during the day,
• 36:09
  S16: I constantly get a ping of a different, uh, different
• 36:12
  S16: scripture that I follow it through. And my phone is
• 36:15
  S16: on from 6:00 in the morning to six in the evening.
• 36:17
  S16: I use it for business only come 6:00, I shut
• 36:20
  S16: it off. Leave it downstairs before I go to bed.
• 36:23
  S16: I don't I don't take you to bed with me.
• 36:25
  S16: And one of the biggest thing is I don't do
• 36:27
  S16: social media of any kind. Yeah. Because yeah, that's that's
• 36:31
  S16: the thing. You find yourself. It's an addiction. It's such
• 36:34
  S16: a bad addiction. And I'll share this real quickly. It's
• 36:37
  S16: such a bad addiction. I told my son, if you
• 36:39
  S16: put that phone down for one day, I'll give you $1,000.
• 36:42
  S16: He goes, no thank you. I said, okay, there you go.
• 36:44
  S16: You're addicted to that phone.
• 36:45
  S4: Oh, boy.
• 36:48
  S6: Uh, Ralph, can I be your son for I'll be your.
• 36:52
  S16: I'll be. You would have taken up.
• 36:53
  S6: I just like right now. Ralph. Yeah, I'll.
• 36:56
  S2: Put that.
• 36:56
  S6: Phone down. I'm gonna be your son for a week.
• 36:59
  S6: One week. That's it. Ralph. Just one week. Seven days.
• 37:03
  S6: Do the math. No. I'm kidding. Ralph. Ralph, thanks for
• 37:06
  S6: calling in. Let's get some more here. Alan.
• 37:07
  S4: Heather. First time caller from Chicago. What's God showing you
• 37:11
  S4: that helps you get victory?
• 37:13
  S17: Good morning. Um, I think definitely, um, restrictions on social media.
• 37:20
  S17: So timer uh, do not disturb. I think my job
• 37:23
  S17: as well, I have a work phone and my personal
• 37:26
  S17: phone with a hotline attached to that. So that has
• 37:30
  S17: made me feel like, oh, this is a lot. If
• 37:33
  S17: I need to just not have my phone and be present. Um,
• 37:37
  S17: so and it just helps limit, you know, but yeah,
• 37:40
  S17: it's a fun, fun balance.
• 37:42
  S6: All right. Heather. All right. Two phones. I've got a
• 37:45
  S6: couple of friends that are big time business dudes and
• 37:48
  S6: they got two phones. Guy that was a big muckety
• 37:52
  S6: muck with AT&T and he had two phones. And I'm like,
• 37:55
  S6: I can't do that, man.
• 37:56
  S4: It's hard enough to keep track of one.
• 37:58
  S14: Heather. That's awesome.
• 37:59
  S4: Thanks, Heather.
• 38:00
  S6: Oh my goodness. Oh, uh, real quick in Chicago. Go man.
• 38:08
  S18: Okay, so the verse that I read was from Proverbs.
• 38:12
  S18: It said, the man who works his ground gets a harvest,
• 38:16
  S18: but the one who doesn't make sense. Yeah. And I
• 38:21
  S18: was convicted actually on my use of games on the phone.
• 38:25
  S18: I liked word games, Scrabble and crossword. And I would
• 38:28
  S18: go back to it dozens of times a day. I
• 38:31
  S18: was at Crossword Crackhead. And, um, so I deleted them
• 38:36
  S18: from my phone and I bought the paper magazine instead.
• 38:41
  S18: And because it's less convenient, I spend a lot less time.
• 38:46
  S18: And it just really gave me a lot more freedom
• 38:49
  S18: during my day.
• 38:51
  S6: Yeah, man, I gotta tell you, Eric, I love you, man.
• 38:54
  S6: That's a boom to you. That's really cool.
• 38:58
  S2: Crosswords aren't bad.
• 38:59
  S6: But all day. Word crackhead.
• 39:01
  S2: That's so great.
• 39:03
  S6: Come on, man.
• 39:05
  S2: That's real life.
• 39:06
  S6: You gotta love that.
• 39:07
  S14: Well put.
• 39:08
  S6: Oh my goodness. We love you. Boom crew. Think about it.
• 39:12
  S6: How are you going to carve back some tech time.
• 39:14
  S6: Redeem it.
• 39:16
  S1: Your your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 39:19
  S5: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 39:22
  S5: to stay in your past. And I want you to
• 39:24
  S5: know and believe that today.
• 39:25
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 39:28
  S6: Yeah, we're looking solutions here. Just to recap, um, the
• 39:32
  S6: amount of screen time smartphone four, five, 4.5 to 5.5
• 39:39
  S6: hours a day, something like that. Higher with younger users,
• 39:41
  S6: total screen time in a day, 7 to 10 plus
• 39:44
  S6: hours a day. Pickups are anywhere from 80, depending on
• 39:48
  S6: user groups, 80 minimum to 150 pickups of the phone
• 39:52
  S6: a day, which fragments time big time. Right. And, um,
• 39:57
  S6: these are pretty staggering stats. We're going to need to
• 39:59
  S6: do a total overhaul on this man. I think this
• 40:02
  S6: is one of the lordship issues that's facing us as
• 40:06
  S6: the church. And I you might say, well, it's the
• 40:09
  S6: whole culture that's the problem. I mean, culture has been
• 40:14
  S6: the biggest battleground for Saints forever.
• 40:17
  S4: For sure. So we're asking you to weigh in on this.
• 40:19
  S4: Have you seen God give you some measure of victory
• 40:22
  S4: over the area of time wasting, maybe scrolling. Let's go
• 40:26
  S4: to Peter calling in this morning from Florida. Peter, go ahead.
• 40:29
  S4: What has God shown you? How does he help you
• 40:30
  S4: overcome this?
• 40:33
  S19: Well, uh, a few months ago, a couple months ago,
• 40:37
  S19: a brother of mine in the Lord told me that
• 40:39
  S19: he put social media down and he's actually a discipleship group.
• 40:42
  S19: And they're doing a reading a book and stuff. And
• 40:45
  S19: I'm like, that's awesome, man. You know, and, uh, I
• 40:48
  S19: realized exactly what you said, you know, that picking the
• 40:51
  S19: phone up and checking I'm a, I'm a marketplace guy
• 40:54
  S19: and I'm looking for cars and parts and stuff. And, but, uh,
• 40:58
  S19: three days ago, like three days ago, my wife changed
• 41:00
  S19: the password on her Facebook account. I couldn't get on it.
• 41:04
  S19: And I'm like, okay, you know what? I'm going to
• 41:06
  S19: put it down. And it's amazing. God's timing is so good.
• 41:10
  S19: And you guys have this right now. I'm three days
• 41:13
  S19: in and I. There's a real difference. I can really
• 41:16
  S19: feel an honest difference in my being that I'm not
• 41:20
  S19: on that all the time. It might be.
• 41:22
  S6: Yeah.
• 41:23
  S19: A lot of times a day, you know what I mean?
• 41:25
  S19: So man, thank you guys for your show. I appreciate
• 41:28
  S19: you all being real, real life stuff. And, uh, yeah, it's.
• 41:34
  S6: It's hard, isn't it, Peter? It's hard. It's hard, man.
• 41:39
  S6: Way to call in, man. Appreciate you. Love you. Boom, brother.
• 41:42
  S14: Yeah.
• 41:43
  S4: Very cool.
• 41:44
  S6: Okay, let's go back to the phone lines. Ali. Who
• 41:45
  S6: do we.
• 41:46
  S14: Have?
• 41:46
  S4: We've got Will calling in this morning from Miami. Will,
• 41:48
  S4: what has God shown you in this area of time? Redemption.
• 41:53
  S20: Hi. Good morning.
• 41:54
  S4: Good morning.
• 41:57
  S20: Yeah. Well, what I ended up doing in my house
• 42:00
  S20: when I saw that it was getting out of control
• 42:01
  S20: because the Spirit of God always reveals us. Uh.
• 42:06
  S6: Yeah.
• 42:06
  S20: How everybody was isolating themselves was when we walk into
• 42:10
  S20: the house, we leave the phones where we put our keys.
• 42:14
  S20: That's the charging station. And we read our Bibles before
• 42:18
  S20: dinner and before bed. We don't pick up our phones
• 42:21
  S20: until we leave the house.
• 42:23
  S19: Yeah.
• 42:24
  S20: And let me tell you that that changed it substantially.
• 42:28
  S6: Yeah, substantially. And that's the word man. I mean, if
• 42:30
  S6: we can just get some substantial change in it, that's awesome. Boom, brother.
• 42:35
  S6: Appreciate it. Uh, Bob in Tampa, Florida. What do you say, Bob?
• 42:40
  S21: Turn off your notifications.
• 42:43
  S6: You know what? There's some truth in that.
• 42:46
  S21: And I'm not always getting a notification and having to
• 42:50
  S21: look at my phone to figure it out. And three,
• 42:53
  S21: he's wonderful.
• 42:55
  S6: Yeah. No, I hear you, man. Boom. Brother. Thanks for
• 42:58
  S6: calling in this morning.
• 42:59
  S2: I think there's a big reality to that because notifications
• 43:02
  S2: they they may not always matter, but that screen lights
• 43:05
  S2: up or your pocket buzzes. And it's just one of
• 43:07
  S2: those reminders of, hey, look at me. And even if
• 43:10
  S2: it's not important now, you're looking at it and you
• 43:12
  S2: kind of want to stay in there.
• 43:13
  S6: Yeah.
• 43:14
  S4: Yeah. A couple text messages that have come in on
• 43:16
  S4: this one 8040 says uninstalled Facebook and YouTube. Another 0261.
• 43:22
  S4: Similarly I stopped going on Facebook. 0967 this is good.
• 43:26
  S4: It says small victory victory for me. Sometimes I just
• 43:29
  S4: don't bring my phone into the store, the gas station.
• 43:31
  S4: So you know those times when you're prone to just
• 43:34
  S4: check it, you've got a 32nd wait in the checkout
• 43:37
  S4: line and the phone comes out. So just leaving it
• 43:39
  S4: in the car.
• 43:40
  S6: Yeah. This is something we've we've got to take action on.
• 43:47
  S6: This is not a legalism. This is a survivalism. This
• 43:51
  S6: is a thrival ism.
• 43:52
  S4: I mean, it's the word addiction too strong. I mean,
• 43:55
  S4: it functions like I mean, as we talk about it,
• 43:57
  S4: the compulsiveness of it, the amount of time that goes
• 44:01
  S4: by and you're not even aware. I mean, it definitely
• 44:04
  S4: is an addiction.
• 44:05
  S6: Oh, it's in the addiction category 100. I mean, we
• 44:09
  S6: may not want to admit it, but it's there.