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Ep. 159: Swimming Naked · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: M this is the Meat Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely,
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  Speaker 1: folk bitten, and in my case, underwear listening. I'm making
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  Speaker 1: a podcast. You can't predict anything. Mm hmm. How's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody all right? Mhm uh? Everybody here has been a
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  Speaker 1: State Theater today today, just today. I saw um the
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  Speaker 1: Cowboy Junkies many years ago, and I feel that mine
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  Speaker 1: you saw weird out here. Really, I feel that my
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  Speaker 1: it wound up being like that was the first time
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  Speaker 1: I was at State Theater. And it turned out that
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  Speaker 1: me and my wife think that she was there too,
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  Speaker 1: but she would have been way too young for me
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  Speaker 1: to be gawking at the time. But I feel that
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  Speaker 1: she was not saying that wasn't but I shouldn't have been. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: we think so. And then later I came you and me, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I came here to see Bob Dylan and that night,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, I have a picture.
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  Speaker 1: Uh We're sitting there and I was arguing that jello
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  Speaker 1: shots don't actually make you drunk, because I had this
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  Speaker 1: theory that something happened to the alcohol. Do you remember
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  Speaker 1: this show, taking a little time out in the footwell,
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  Speaker 1: blow the seats up there somewhere up top, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: like at a concert, everybody gets all their season comes
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  Speaker 1: down too, you know, dance around. Well when I when
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  Speaker 1: I get down my nap, I come down looking for
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  Speaker 1: everyone and catch my body Eric doing like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit like that, you know what, you kind of like
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  Speaker 1: dance behind someone a little bit. But it was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I come down like really because he's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: little like he's like a little bit doing like the
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  Speaker 1: I'm right behind your dancing too behind with my girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: at State Theater. Not to me, um, I got a
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  Speaker 1: let's do in aductions that I gotta coupe people, gotta
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  Speaker 1: say hi to no. We have the lavin eagle weight
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  Speaker 1: on the end. Thank him, Uh, Mark Kenyon from water
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  Speaker 1: to hug a huge round of applause for our very
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  Speaker 1: good friend from growing up Matt Droskys, a low profile
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  Speaker 1: get the low ron bam who was kind of kind
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  Speaker 1: enough to give me employment uh for several years and
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  Speaker 1: then friendship for many more after. And then my big
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  Speaker 1: brother Matt Ronelan. Where we're out here is Ada. There's
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  Speaker 1: an eleven year old Ada. Okay, listen, your dad needs
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  Speaker 1: you to understand that listening to the Meat Eater podcast
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  Speaker 1: is better and more important for your mind and spirit
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  Speaker 1: than listening to Bruno mars Uh. Hello to Officer Darren McIntosh,
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  Speaker 1: you out there, Thank you. Um now, Also, my mother's
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  Speaker 1: here tonight, So Rosemary Ranella, we're gonna we're gonna play
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  Speaker 1: a game later. We're gonna play a game called Seeing
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  Speaker 1: through the Bullshit. And so someone has to come up
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  Speaker 1: and be the contestant. And we took a blank map
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  Speaker 1: of the theater with all the seats on it and
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  Speaker 1: gave it to my mother, Rosemary. Two select a seat
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  Speaker 1: who will be the person that gets to come play
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  Speaker 1: the game and win something. And my mother made a
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  Speaker 1: big deal out of selecting someone from the balcony because
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  Speaker 1: she likes the root for the underdogs. A lucky, a lucky,
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  Speaker 1: a lucky player up there will be called down to
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  Speaker 1: do that. And then, uh, one more thing. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: to you guys later too. But birthdays. And we've got
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  Speaker 1: birthdays here tonight, I mean a lot really tonight. That
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  Speaker 1: mean tonight isn't your birthday? Oh then you won't win
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  Speaker 1: like birthdays today? Okay, the oldest, if you're old, you're
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  Speaker 1: in luck. We'll get to that later. If it's your
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  Speaker 1: birthday and you're old, you're in luck. Um cover that now.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of got hit a couple of news items
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  Speaker 1: like we like to do. They they just had you
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  Speaker 1: guys heard of this the there was like a organized
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  Speaker 1: squirrel hunt in New Jersey. They got badly protested by
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  Speaker 1: the League of the League of Humane. Let me get
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  Speaker 1: this right, it's the League of Humane. Voters organized the
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  Speaker 1: protest against the squirrel hunt. The organizer was saying, it's
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  Speaker 1: very disconcerting the idea of being a family friendly event.
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  Speaker 1: Look at the strong correlation of kids who commit violence
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  Speaker 1: against animals as children and then grow up to be
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  Speaker 1: violent against people. Writer Listener wrote in, and he was saying,
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  Speaker 1: it's weirdest. Part of the plan of the squirrel hunt
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  Speaker 1: was to teach people how to acquire and prepara wild game.
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  Speaker 1: If the organizer's assertion is true, would it not stand
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  Speaker 1: a reason that children who are raised eating meat from
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  Speaker 1: a grocery store are more likely to hire hit men
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  Speaker 1: to commit violent acts against people on their behalf also
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  Speaker 1: got an interesting note from a dude, a good Midwestern
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  Speaker 1: boy who bought a new bow and the guys that
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  Speaker 1: the bullshot were saying, man, if you want to get
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  Speaker 1: dialed for hunting, you shoot the bowl like how you
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  Speaker 1: would shoot hunting. And he's playing a hunting a tree stand,
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  Speaker 1: but his yard has no tree stands, so he takes
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  Speaker 1: the hunting from the phone pole to practicing from the
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  Speaker 1: phone pole out on the street. And by the time
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  Speaker 1: the police come him and the municipality guy comes, it
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  Speaker 1: makes him take a stand down with it. Did give
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  Speaker 1: him a line on where to go buy his own
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  Speaker 1: phone pole that he can bury it into his yard. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Norway recently, where a guy run in
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  Speaker 1: with an ethical dilemma from Norway and another guy rode
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  Speaker 1: in with a Norway expression. What was the hunting one?
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  Speaker 1: The German one? And it means like good luck hunting,
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  Speaker 1: like a like the best of luck hunting. Yeah, he
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  Speaker 1: got talking about that. And in Norway they say skit jacked,
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  Speaker 1: which means I hope you have ship hunting. And it's
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  Speaker 1: like the same as saying It's the same as saying
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  Speaker 1: like break a leg like you give you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? They don't want to jinx his outing, so
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  Speaker 1: you hit him like that. Can you say it again?
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  Speaker 1: I want to make sure remember that it's well s
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  Speaker 1: k I T T, which gonna go with skits skits
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  Speaker 1: j A k T, which I'm gonna go with that's
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  Speaker 1: something to do with hunting JK. That's a yah. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you have a ship. I think you should all
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  Speaker 1: use the Latvian version of that instead, because we have
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  Speaker 1: pretty much the same thing, two different versions of it.
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  Speaker 1: We say either shall we godum, which means basically shoot
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  Speaker 1: past them or over him, So you're saying like good luck,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you miss kind of the Other thing we
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  Speaker 1: say is um life to follow on Netta's at, which
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  Speaker 1: means I hope that you don't see hide nor hair.
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  Speaker 1: Really there's These are both Latvian ones. Can you welcome
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  Speaker 1: everybody tonight in Latvian love love vocard? There another another
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  Speaker 1: one last news item and and and I know Matt
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  Speaker 1: Droles you sent this to me recently, like you grow
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  Speaker 1: up these parts taking for granted that you can just
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  Speaker 1: go down and walk down the beach, Just take a
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  Speaker 1: walk down the damn beach because this is America. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court just confirmed that, yes, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: this is America. But what's that The Great Lakes? The
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  Speaker 1: Great Lakes are America, so Indiana and Michigan. The Supreme
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  Speaker 1: Court actually refused to hear the hearing contesting the ability
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  Speaker 1: to walk the high water mark. Yeah, dude, a couple.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out the two people, Donald and Bobby Gunderson.
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  Speaker 1: But they suffer from is they suffer from a problem
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  Speaker 1: that happens in American society with some people where it's
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  Speaker 1: I think like to think of it as too bad.
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  Speaker 1: It isn't true that like you buy a house on
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  Speaker 1: the beach and the next day here's some dirt bag
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  Speaker 1: walking down the beach surf casting, and you're like, you're mad,
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  Speaker 1: it isn't illegal to that guy. I wasn't down there
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  Speaker 1: on my beach. And then they just have the energy
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  Speaker 1: and time to try to like my dream, My dream
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  Speaker 1: would be that the people who are enjoying that area,
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  Speaker 1: uh just down there, you know, taken in the sun.
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  Speaker 1: My dream is that they couldn't enjoy that area. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend a lot of money preventing them from
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  Speaker 1: a joint. But so the Supreme Court not hearing it.
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  Speaker 1: They like, challenge it got shot down. Challenge it got
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  Speaker 1: shot down, and they took the Freme Court and the
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  Speaker 1: Free Court refused to hear it, said that the law
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  Speaker 1: stands as is. You know, the high water mark is
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  Speaker 1: public public domain. So summer is still on everyone, So
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  Speaker 1: summer is still scheduled. This is kind of newsy, but
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  Speaker 1: so we hit it right now while it's while we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about news, a little bit of news. Mark, You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do a recap Mark, Canyon Wired Hunt. This is
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  Speaker 1: the wire to Hunt Michigan deer season recape. What happened? Mark, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think the big thing we were talking about discussing
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  Speaker 1: was a little bit not frank Um demographics, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit what kind of success rate hunter saw, what kind
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  Speaker 1: of participation we saw. And I will preface this by
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  Speaker 1: saying that the data available is split between two years,
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  Speaker 1: because there's not harvest data available yet for the two
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  Speaker 1: thousand eighteen season, but there is license sales data available
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  Speaker 1: from this season. So first off, an interesting thing of
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  Speaker 1: note is that this year she has eighteen They're about
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  Speaker 1: just over six hundred thousand deer hunters in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Michigan. That is a lot of deer hunters, one
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  Speaker 1: of the highest numbers of deer hunters in the country,
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  Speaker 1: but it's down nearly a hundred thousand in just the
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  Speaker 1: last five years. Very significant drop drop off, and that
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  Speaker 1: is down two hundred thousand deer hunters from a high
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  Speaker 1: point of seven or eight five thousand. So we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: that pretty precipitous drop. That's the downer good news front. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe not a good news front, depends
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  Speaker 1: on how you look at it. But we had the
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  Speaker 1: second highest number of bucks killed first state in the
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  Speaker 1: entire country. So the only state that killed more bucks. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: when you're talking about food and you're like, oh, you
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  Speaker 1: know they eat it in Japan anything to do with deer,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, let me guess, Yeah, it's Texas or any
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  Speaker 1: funky things too. Yeah, So old Michigan killed second only
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  Speaker 1: the Texas, second only Texas. Yeah, and that is the
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  Speaker 1: third highest. No, let me take that back to the
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  Speaker 1: first or second highest bucks per square mile in the
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  Speaker 1: entire nation, three times the national average. So we're killing
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  Speaker 1: a lot of we're killing a lot of deer, killing
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  Speaker 1: how many people in here? God it deer this year
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  Speaker 1: man crowd stolen cool. I think I can say with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of confidence that we have above average deer
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  Speaker 1: hunters in this room because because exactly fifty of the
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  Speaker 1: deer hunters in this state killed the deer this past year. Success. Right.
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  Speaker 1: If you bump that up to how many people killed
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  Speaker 1: more than one deer? What's your guess? What percentage of
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  Speaker 1: license hunters killed more than one deer? Killed a deer?
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go what do you think? Pretty? Five? Five?
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  Speaker 1: Really big drop off from one to two or more? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: I killed two deer this year in Michigan. NA people, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: any any other any other good Michigan inside people all
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  Speaker 1: know about. Yeah, you did a good job. You got
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  Speaker 1: all this memorize nothing written on my Okay hand check. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Bow hunting in Michigan very very popular. I think a
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  Speaker 1: lot of deer hunters like to talk about how there's
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  Speaker 1: so much bow hunting pressure in this state. I sometimes
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  Speaker 1: use as an excuse for why it's tough in this state. Um, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's backed up by fact we had three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: eleven thousand. Is it because of crossbows? I do not
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  Speaker 1: know the answer to that. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 1: breakdowns between crossbow and bow. But a lot of a
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  Speaker 1: lot of passionate bow hunters in this state, and we
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  Speaker 1: have the third highest number of bucks killed per square
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  Speaker 1: mile in the country with archer equipment, I think if
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  Speaker 1: I remember that correctly, is the number of bow hunters?
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  Speaker 1: Is that number going up or down? I haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: a trend on that. I would guess it's probably parallels
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  Speaker 1: the overall What are they attributing? I know it's a
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  Speaker 1: host of things, and I kind of already know that
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  Speaker 1: it's unanswerable. But what are your insights? What are they
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  Speaker 1: attribute What are they attributing to the um the number decline?
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen the number of like the total number
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  Speaker 1: of people like that compared to ours spent a field?
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  Speaker 1: Is it like? Are we losing the like are we
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  Speaker 1: losing a lot of like the Lamo weekend? One weekend
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  Speaker 1: a year? Dudes? Are we losing like the hardcores? Like?
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  Speaker 1: Who are we losing? So I haven't seen data as
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  Speaker 1: far as that. I can make some assumptions because you
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  Speaker 1: can stay lame o, you know what I mean? Like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a horrible word choice. That's one of those things
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  Speaker 1: you say in life, the one of these yeah, week
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  Speaker 1: like a warrior of the weekend, a guy who likes
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  Speaker 1: what what's happening? Basically is that and this is kind
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  Speaker 1: of the thing you're seeing across the entire nation is
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  Speaker 1: that there was this very large group of baby boomers
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  Speaker 1: that came in and for a number of different reasons,
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  Speaker 1: took on hunting very popular within that demographic, and that
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  Speaker 1: group has just been aging. So if you look at
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  Speaker 1: the curve of hunting participation by age, you know, twenty
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  Speaker 1: years ago you saw like thirty or forty year olds
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  Speaker 1: or whatever that Brackett was, that was our highest chunk
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  Speaker 1: of hunters. And then is you look for ten years
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  Speaker 1: that Brackett just moves further down, and now we see
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  Speaker 1: our highest participation of hunters are in that like fifty
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  Speaker 1: four to seventy rangers, high sixties. And so what's happening
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  Speaker 1: is that your number of hunters every year, retained hunters
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  Speaker 1: is dropping off because I can't remember that the age
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  Speaker 1: of seventy or seventy two or somewhere around there. Um,
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  Speaker 1: there's a very hard line where participation usually starts to
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  Speaker 1: dramatically drop off people aging out. So we've got we've
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  Speaker 1: had a very large segment of the hunting community that's
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  Speaker 1: aging out and that's not being filled back in at
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  Speaker 1: the top of the funnel with younger hunters. Another interesting Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Thing is that I saw data from two thousand through
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  Speaker 1: fifty team that showed the number of new hunters coming
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  Speaker 1: in if some might remember that back in twelve thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: somewhere around there were encouraged because there were some new
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  Speaker 1: numbers that showed across the nation hunting participation was up
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, so that was kind of a
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  Speaker 1: reason to celebrate. Well, this data showed in Michigan that
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  Speaker 1: the number of new hunters is still actually going down.
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  Speaker 1: So we're ore ore our three you know, attempts, recruitment, retention, etcetera. Um,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we're at least from twos in thirteen and fifteen
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  Speaker 1: was moving the wrong direction, which was not pective here.
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  Speaker 1: Like trend Yeah, so like the hun's gonna get Michigan
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  Speaker 1: Hun's gonna get better and better. It depends on how
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at it. I guess they're looking if you
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  Speaker 1: want less less pumpkins in the woods, yeah, which I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like selfishly, would I like it if there's fewer people.
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  Speaker 1: It would be nice for my own personal hunting, But
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  Speaker 1: for the long it's not. It's not what you want
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  Speaker 1: as long as it's like it might feel immediately beneficial,
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  Speaker 1: but there's Uh, there's a long term play that some
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  Speaker 1: people feel that long term play becomes compromised exactly. Okay, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: if you had to hit Michigan and one word and
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  Speaker 1: it can't be a hand gesture, Michigan is a single word,
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  Speaker 1: what would the word be? Do I go first? I
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  Speaker 1: can go first? You're not ready? Can let you guys?
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  Speaker 1: Give you some time? Okay, I call a second all right,
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  Speaker 1: I think someone else might take I'm gonna now, I'm
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  Speaker 1: picking this where net because I've been gone now for
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  Speaker 1: twenty years, but I'm gonna go with green, green, green?
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  Speaker 1: What's sense? That's true? Man? What sense? That's a good point,
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  Speaker 1: just like the color like color. Yeah, because being in
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  Speaker 1: the last men, you don't realize you're throwing off here,
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  Speaker 1: how green and how jungle like this foliage is. When
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  Speaker 1: I come back now in the summer, we're not just
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  Speaker 1: going driving down these boulevards that you know, giant overhanging oaks,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the big giant leaves, and it's just so green,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I feel it in my soul. When
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  Speaker 1: I was spending a lot of time out in Matt's
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  Speaker 1: Neck of the Woods out in eastern Montana, I would
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  Speaker 1: come here and be struck by the foliage. But then
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  Speaker 1: it was cool. But then, like I lost that buzz
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  Speaker 1: kind of living in the Pacific Northwest. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it'll come back now. Yeah. Like to look from an
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  Speaker 1: airplane and just see that line of leaves, Man, it's reassuring.
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  Speaker 1: But God's bleak in the winter. H not today. It
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  Speaker 1: was beautiful today. I thought you were saying we're green,
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  Speaker 1: like a bunch of new hunters. I didn't really pictures
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  Speaker 1: the land carpeted in cash um a bunch of marijuana
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  Speaker 1: growing into the wood. What do you got, Marke that
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  Speaker 1: did just become legalized? Um tradition? Tradition? Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: I look at Michigan and I see a estate filled
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of passion for the tradition. Funding and
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  Speaker 1: then also so I'd say it's like the macro level tradition.
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  Speaker 1: But then also personally, you know, when I think of
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  Speaker 1: Michigan hunting, it's the tradition of my family, deer camp
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  Speaker 1: and spending time with family in those those moments. Everyone,
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  Speaker 1: everyone up here except Ronnie was born Great State of Michigan. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's not true. I was born in Hinsdale. You were
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  Speaker 1: how old when you moved to Michigan two months about
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  Speaker 1: that that? Yeah, that's right. Where was that where Kinsdale,
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  Speaker 1: Illinois suburb? I was both born in Indiana with Indiana
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  Speaker 1: Oh never mind, I thought I was. I thought, like, man,
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  Speaker 1: but everybodys up here is a faker sands plans. How
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  Speaker 1: do they say that formative yearsatiformative? We've all spent former
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  Speaker 1: years here. I got more Michigan laid up right here
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  Speaker 1: than you boys. Um Man, what do you got? One word? Man? Like?
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  Speaker 1: So I thought about this when you asked this question earlier,
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  Speaker 1: and like I kind of don't want to say what
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking, but like I want to stay adorable adorable,
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  Speaker 1: but like, but like I have to describe what I
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  Speaker 1: mean when I say that, because it's because you got
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  Speaker 1: to be like a special dude to use the word
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  Speaker 1: a door, right exactly. I was like, like, what's he
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  Speaker 1: talking about? Adorable? Anyone kick his ass? Like no, Like,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, like it's like it's adorable. Yeah, it's like
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it kind of plays off that tradition. It's like this,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like it's like, you know, it's complex, it's got all
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: these things, all the seasons, like the big city of
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the small city that like the urban like it's got
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: all of that. It's kind of like Norman Rockwell adorable
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: sort of like sense to it, but yet like it's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: also kind of a qualifier for like bigger state stuff.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Like it's a qualifier like for moving tom On Town.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It's a qualifier for last it's got you know, you
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: can fish salmon here. You know you can't fish that
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: in many states. So in the you know, Colstalt states,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: there's a big game here. Like, so it's got a
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: little bit of everything. So that was kind of adorable.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Makes me want to panic because I can't come up
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: with a word. The only thing I could think of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: is from moving from Illinois to here is uh, Yanni
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: actually stole mine. I was gonna go green. You were
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: gonna roll with green. Yeah, I was thinking green because
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that's what I thought of when I came here. You know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Illinois a prairie state. We got trees, but they're in
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the city. And uh so, I guess the only thing
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I can think of destruct me from coming here as
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a kid is just water, like all the different kind
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: you got waterfalls, great lakes, little lakes, swampy lakes, duck ponds,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: every just water, frozen water, lots of hard water. Yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: hard water. Yeah, that's all I can come up with.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: My mind was the is the adjective form of water
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: watery water? Nice going Illinois brother better than the reason
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I even asked that question is the uh. I was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: talking to the writer Ian Frasier one time and he like,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: really he's from Ohio, but really like to talk about
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: me being from Michigan. And he said, one day we
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: were talking about Michigan, and he said, you know, when
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I think of Michigan, I always sick of people that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I met on the boss who would say fuckers honorable.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I've ever been like, that's true that I thought that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: was being on a bus elementary school. But that is
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: how we say that. Up. I just said it. So
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: that's six in my head. I can't get it out
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: of my head. Um okay, now another Michigan thing real quick. Um.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You could pick, and I gotta warn you about this.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: You can pick your favorite Uncle Ted or Uncle Bob's song,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: but you'll get one of each. You can do one
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of each, but I think it'd be too long because
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I'd be like twelve tunes. I think you should go one.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: It could be either Uncle Bobby or Uncle Teddy. I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: tried to talk Matt and to bring in his guitar
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: to play a little bit of every favorite song and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the seeker ones. You'd be all over some of them.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: But he was intimidated. He was intimidated by certain other
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: tunes that you were like, are too complex. Yea, So
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: he did not bring the guitar. I can't, I can't shred.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Can you do like a like if someone says the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: song you able to like helmet? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. So,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: because because these are like things I think, like foundational
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Michigan music. And I know there's newer versions, but I'm
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: just dating myself here, but this was old music when
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I was a kid. Uncle Bobby, you know, picture yourself,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Marty raising your hand. Yeah, I call I call it
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: nugent song because I don't. I don't think I could
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: name a singer song. Dude, Come on, this guy, Mark
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Kenyon is the only man I've ever met in my
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: life who identifies can I do it to you? Like
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it's almost like the name that shall not be spoken.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Musicians Mexico. With
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: a long conversation, Mark like, actually, if you ask Mark
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Mark likes. It's like they're like the fans each trying
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: to say he's not like my favorite, but Billy Joel
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: is pretty good. He also didn't see Jeremiah Jensen. Uh yeah, finally,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I'm less shocked that he can't name a nugent song.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I got nugent. Oh, I think said Night Moves, No
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Flow me Away my favorite news song. My favorite song
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: is the clichest song you could possibly think of for
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: this event. But it was on a CD that I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: listened to every morning when heading to go hunting. So
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: on my Deer Hunting soundtrack, first track got me pumped
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: up every more and hand out see iconic fred Bear. Yeah,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: oh that that counts. That counts, you can. I think
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I can only name one of each, Like I'm just
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: not good at this game. I've never been good at
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: this game. But yeah, it would be Night Moves, Night Moves,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and I like it more now since you explained. I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: used to just sing along, never really thought about words
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and songs, sing along and dance a little bit, enjoying
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: myself feel good. But when you explained what that song means,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: like it changed it. You know what actually is happening
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: in this Yeah, that one. Yeah, I would like that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Can you explain it? Maybe just want one verse everything.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. Yeah, it's about senescence. It's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: like growing old and fade out. Woke last night the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: sound of Thunder. They're like it strikes a man deep.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: When you started listening to it, real heavy, how far off?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I said, and wondered, you could read it like a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Bob Service poem you got when you want to rip
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: out um, Like, I feel like I should go with
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: roll me Away because like motorcycles. But but I have
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to go with um. The live version of travel Man
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and the Brief Loser. Yeah, that's when when it kicks
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: at the uful Loser in the middle of that. That's
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: pretty good man. And then I do have a Ted.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I do a Ted song great Buffalo really yeah, that's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a good one. Yes, the B side too, You're not
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: like a big music but that was like, oh yeah,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the live version was the I'm not I never have,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: but I have continually bought Bob Seeker c ds of
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the greatest It's a Bob Seeger for the last twenty years,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: and when they burned up, I throw them out. So
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: my daughter you can't he plays it that fast. I'm
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: on the road a lot, and I have instructions to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: my daughter Jesse. At my funeral it will be accompaniment.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: You will accompany me. That's I will cry if I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: start doing the lyrics to that. Do it and do it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: It makes me. It makes me weep. Also with the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: seeker theme, but mine probably would probably be a refugee.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: That's Uncle Tom, which is not from here. But you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: got you gotta admit that's a pretty good song. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: heard it. I heard it yesterday. Um, but really, i'd say, uh,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: I can't pick just one. I have to go to
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: um and and one is as sweet as the other,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: as savage, I'd say, in the sweet end its main
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Street and then on the savage end, it's her strut.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Both those songs are are about you know, there's only
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: two songs I know of in this whole catalog that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: are about how you say adult dancing? Yes, but you
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: this is a debate. I don't know if you remember this.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: We used had. We had a like big debate about
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: what strut is about? Right right? In struct Uncle Bobby says, um,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I do respect her, I do respect her, but I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: loved to watch her struct. That's what he says. Matt
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: used to say, no, no, no, He's saying, I do
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: respect her, but I love to see I love to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: watch her strut. And we would argue about that endlessly.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: And I hope that now you've given up it does
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: see a little little silly and retrospect. The problem with
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: all that stuff is like, oh, it's just like you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: come back here, you hear so much classic rock and montana.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You don't hear nearly as much. It's hard to keep
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: up on it. But that stuff is so good, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: it just gets so old, you know. I mean, after
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: a lifetime of listening to it. If I wish I don't,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I wish I had like rock and roll dementia where
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I could be gone and I could discover the new.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that'd be good, because I was my
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: mind has been taken. Like with friends that you haven't
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: seen in five years, you'd stick get in your car
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and you'd be like, he had that album in five
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: years ago. When I got in this car, Yeah, I'm
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: gonna my mind's already been taken. But definitely, uh, definitely
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: the older I get like the Night Moves thing, because
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: now that I'm like practically dead half way. It's especially meaningful.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: But remember we had a conversation about Hollywood Knights when
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you're driving. Yeah, like that's a good driving song. Makes
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you want to drive faster than you should. Okay, so
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: that's your Michigan tune. If you had to do and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and Mark Kenny, I'm barring you from doing what I
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: think you're gonna do one Michigan hunting and fishing activity.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You have to pick one thing, one hunting fishing thing
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in Michigan, and that's the only one you can engage
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: in and don't worry about like factoring out how many
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: days you can participate in it for a year. But
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: like the thing that is best to you. But you're
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: borrowing me from saying what I think you're going to say.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So I can't say dear him. You can't do that. Uh?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Is that for you in a really bad position? No, okay,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you can say it. Easy answer other than dear would
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: be turkey hunting Turkey young, send me get me after
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the Gallerys Michigan Turks. Yeah, I probably had to go
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: turks to man. Yeah. No, I love my Squirreld but
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: really all but you really love squirrels. I really, I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: really love squirrels, man, but those those turkeys. Man. Like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: somebody asked us recently about, like, which animals most challenge
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: jing or what do you love about hunting so much?
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: I answered because I love the challenge. And I feel
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like I was um, I wasn't clear enough, and people
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: mistook I was saying that I love that just the
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: physical challenge of it so much. But turkey hunting really
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of times it's not that physical, right like,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: and and that's one thing I love about it for
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: looking at the future is when I'm an old man,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I can probably still be hunting turkeys, but the turkey
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: just consistently humbles me, and that's really nice to have
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: in the species. Squirrels have been doing that to me
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: lately as well, but I feel like they might have
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: a time where I won't be humbled by the squirrel anymore.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But like turkeys. The thing, you know, I love to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: hunt turkeys, and they do humble you. But sometimes I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: wonder if turkeys are hard because they get smart or
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: is it because there they're so unsmart that they become
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: completely unpredictable, right, Because if you really review it in
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: your mind, there could be two things going on. One
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: would be that he's cag Two it's just he's completely irrational.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It's probably a little bit of both. And you you
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: you mistake his irrational character because you'd be like, well, why,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: like I'm making like these enticing sounds, you should want
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to come over here to make love to this hand
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: turkey that I'm mimicking. But he's just so whacked out
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: there doesn't even occur to him to come do it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: If I could solve that, then that maybe would go
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: with it. But I have a different one that I'm
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: gonna go with. But it doesn't matter because the chess
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: game is only in my head. He's not really playing
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: against me, right, he doesn't know? Good point? Did you
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: did you we talked about four? Did you see the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: thing the guy did where I was saying, if you
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: set up on a like, if you set up on
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: a roost tree a hundred yards away from the roost tree,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: what are the odds of the turkeys calculator? Thirteen percent
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of the time he'll walk within shotgun range of you,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: which is kind of about right. Like just randomly select
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the position in a in a circle around a rose
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: tree and there's a thirteen percent chance he'll pass it
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: in forty yards of one side of you or the other.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's about I mean, I still
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: love what you're saying. Man, I'm that dogging on turkey hunting,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like I want to say deer hunting too, but I
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: think that I feel like like that's kind of like
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: it's kind of goes yea from that. But I also
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: like I also like honestly like bouncing around in a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: boat like bottom fishing, like wondering what you're gonna get
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: out there, like just like pan fish basket, like just
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: an unknown lake, like not knowing what's gonna happen. Like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I like that drop bait down to the bombom like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: just like seeing what you're gonna get, because like if
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: your turkey hunting, you're like going to get a turkey,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah, I love that, But I also
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: like going out through like kind of the unknown, like
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: what am I gonna get today? Like I like that idea,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: like you're asking a little questions in the lake. Oh
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: well I can't really. I'd you know, i'd be hunting
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: grouse and have to hunt grouse. That'd be the one,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the one thing that um, if I couldn't travel anymore,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I could always count on Michigan for having a handful
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of growse to chase. What are what are grouse numbers
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in Michigan doing right now? Well, I heard a guys
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: say recently they do best in the years that end
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: in nine and zero, So that would be this fall
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and following fall from here. So it's good right now,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: it should be coming up. Yeah, we're hoping. So there's
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: no like long term trouble because like Indiana, like a
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: state endangered birden Yeah, Indiana is gonna listed is endangered.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna affect us any but it's gonna be
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: listed in danger. There. No, it's it's dry. It's still
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: dropping off precipitously in every state. Like our grouse numbers
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: will never take what we took years ago, just because
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: changing timber practices. I think mostly, I think you know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: habitats like everything, habitats, habitats like location, location to buy
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a house. It's always habitat. But you know, luckily we
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: do a little bit of timbering, you know, not enough,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but we do a little bit of timbering. But I mean,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you can find grouse even if it's not a clear
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: cut you can find grouse, and that's the one thing
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I couldn't live without. I'd have to have that. Yeah. Oh,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I don't like this removing the sidebar of like taking
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: it out of the season like season like it. Oh
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I had these guys are here shooting chicks and June
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: or something. Oh No, what I meant was What I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: meant was you could like I'm trying to free you
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: from feeling like you need to pick a thing just
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: because you can do it for long, for many days,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, I'm gonna I'm
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: gonna stay with even though that's the case. I'm gonna
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: stay with perch fishing yellow perch because well, I guess
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: two reasons yellow for today I did. Um, there's just
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: so much opportunity. They're they're so good to eat, And
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I just like the how egalitarian it is. You know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: you don't need permission. There's so many you know, it's
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: like every man's fish. Yeah, I'm with you. When I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: was thinking about this guy, I think about a lot. Uh.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: The thing I like most was something we only we
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: didn't do that many times. And I think that you
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Matt Droles. You and our brother Danny pioneered it, which
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was where Pendles Creek flows out into Pendle's Bay on
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: which is kind of like Whitefish Bay, right, yeah, Lake Superior,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and you guys this is in the mid nineties. Yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: it would have been nineties six. Yeah, you guys figured
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: out that you could go down there in the spring
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: those fall too though, both taking spawn sax with little
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: bits of foaming him, yeah, and hucking him out and
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: catching little dinker steel head. Yeah. We said, yeah, yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: it was amazing rise and just like just sitting back
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and wait him to go off. Surf ye surf fishing
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Lake Superior. And one time we caught a beaver by
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the tail. I grab that. You know. That was back
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: when we would do something called we would call worrying
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: wildlife where you were just now and then detain a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: beaver just for the story. We would send him along
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: his way after after worrying him. But you know, there's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a picture I have there's a picture I have from
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: fishing Pendals Bay, like surfcasting Pendal's Bay, and we were
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: down there, I think it was it was real winded.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I think we got done fishing and everybody was drinking
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Boone's Farm wine. And what stuck out, like what sticks
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: out about the picture and what sticks out about that
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: little brief kind of moment when we did that a
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: lot was that, remember it was enf It was a
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: handful of times of friends mine. It was like, I
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: guess I was hit the age where you're like when
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you're when you're really young, you got friends, but you
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: don't think about them. That's when you call your body fuckers,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: you know, right, and like that's how you are with
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: your friends, you know. It's like costs that friendship much.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: It's just there. It's just you just taking for grants.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: It's the guy you accuse of masturbating. It's like you
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: have your friends, you accuse him of masturbating, you give
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: him the finger when you see him, and he's just
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: your main friend, you know, and you know that you're
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like thinking, you know, like dog Dura says, You're like, no,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: it's not a dog, right, So you're just together. But
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: then like at that this Pendle's Bay Day and I'm
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: thinking of was one of the first moments when I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: whatever hit an age where I was like, my god,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: do I like my friends? You know, and like away
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: and I have this picture from that day and look
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: at the pictures like this realization that you know, you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: do like these people, they're not just people to flip
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: off or whatever. One you see him and it was
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: like this kind of like cherished moment. Now always to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: have this thing and I look at it and it's
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: always anchored in time because we would drink a lot
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: of Boone's back then. I remember we were fishing Pendals
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Lake one time. That's so cold that our boons froze.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: I was, I was in it rolls up as a syrup, yeah,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: and then we would just do shots of the syrup
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: that came up out of the top of your So
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: my daughter. I took my daughter ice fishing other day,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: which well, actually she asked me to go ice fishing,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: which is great, but then I found out later she
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: was doing it because she wanted to get out of
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: a babysitting gig that I didn't know she was asked
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to do. And she's like, my dad's gonna take me
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: ice fishing, and then she asked me to ice fishing,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: so that was like the whole stick. But then we
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: were on the ice and she was like, you've been
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: out ice fishing for a whole day. And I was
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: like thinking about one of those pendal strips, like, oh yeah,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Like Steve and I used to go out and like, man, damn,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: we go out all day long, cook out the ice,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: like left the Boone's farm part out, but like and
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: she had She's like she was very like that would
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: be fun. I'm like and I was kind of like
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: just when you said, I was thinking like yeah, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that was Those are good times, man, those are good friends,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: like just like all day long on that lake. You
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: somehow I don't recognize that when it's happening. It was
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: fun as times, man. Okay, moving on to cross bows.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Uh why Like cross bows are super controversial all of
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: a sudden. Man, I'm gonna be the guy here that's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: an opponent of cross bows like them. I'm going out
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: so with my daughter and like with the there's a
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: youth hunt that takes place earlier in the season and
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: on public land. You can't use a rifle. This is
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: this is all correct, right, I'm saying this correct. And
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: so be northern like Grand Travers like Travis County, like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you can't use a a youth can't use a rifle
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: in public land during that early season hunt. I've never
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: been up there for that. I'll buy that. That's right,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: doesn't that sound right? So anyhow, so it was time
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: for me to get a new bowl. And she was
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: like eight or eight ish, and so I was starting
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: to take her hunting. I was so was kind of
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: true figuring like what could I like, what could I like,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I can invest in the new bowl for me? You know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I could buy this like cross bow that she I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: can both use. It's like universe And she was into hunting,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: but she was like she was still nervous about like
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: gun shots, and it's kind of like a like a
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: like a gateway drug into that. I guess, like this
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: cross bow, I'm with you. And she loved it and
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like I kind of bought it. I was like for her,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: But now I use it. It's great, Like I love it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And you know, there's always talks about like you take
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: these like fire shots, and it's it's you know, it
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: may just be how I view it. And now high
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: high hunt, but I haven't taken a shot with that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: thing that I would not have taken with a bow,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Like I don't like, you know, it's it's you shoot it.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: You can see that bolt still moving, so it's not
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: like it's rifle, you know, quality of like taking an
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: eight yr shot. You know, if you shoot a bow,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you know you get let's do that that
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: jumped the string or whatever, and like you know, move quickly,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: So you always got that in mind. So any like
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: fire shot, like I always had that in mind. So
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I just make sure it's like a normal bow shot
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: and take it with that that crossbow and you're having success. Yeah,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you've a shot one mark. I have shot crossbows, never
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: had an animal, but my dad used a crossbow, Grandpa
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: used one back in the day. I don't have a
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: problem with him. I understand why some people see there
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: being ethical questions around long shots, or why some people
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: don't like the idea of a bunch of people describbing
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: a crossbow and heading out during their cherished archery season.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: But who's I mean, who's drawing these lines and what's
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: okay what's not. You could have a traditional archers say well,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't be taking your crossbow, but I think it's
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: also like you put a lot of stock in and
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: just like hunting is so much more than like that
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that piece of equipment that you use. I think you know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: so you put all those like stocking like hunting is
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: just like if you're using a bow or crossbow, that
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: that makes your breaks whether or not you're like an
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: ethical hunter or like enjoying the hunt. When you just
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: talking about like you know, like the like the numbers
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: of bow hunters are declining like that, it's probably not
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: good for hunting. And and that's my yes, sir, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: don't say the biggest reason why I'm okay with crossbows
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: is simply because of that trend. Anything that's going to
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: help people stick around in the hunting participating population longer,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be okay with. And that's something that a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is easier for new hunters pick up. So if we
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: want to make it easier for new folks to get
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: into deer hunting and try archery hunting, it's a whole
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: heck of a lot easier for someone who maybe is
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: interested in eating local food, some guy who's twenty five
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: and is intrigued by the food aspect of it. It's
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: gonna be really hard to get that person right at
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the gate shooting a vertical bowl, but give him a crossbow.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Shame for kids like I bought it for my daughter,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and I think that's a good like kind of entry
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: level like piece of equipment for you know, you know
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: if she if she pursues it more than then we
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: will buy you know, a decent bowl. But like there's
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: kind of like a way to get her to stay
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: out in the words with me and like kind of
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: be engaged in her own and she can use it.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I didn't know how I felt
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: about when the first unseen and then I you know,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: thought about it in boss this and I'm happy with it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's a good, good, good thing. Like I advocate,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Like if there's someone who got into hunting picked up
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a crossbow and that's what they started with and they
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: liked it, I would tell that person, just from my
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: own personal experiences, if you like that, you would really
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: love trying a time like there's a it's a it's
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: another level, it's a different experience. It requires another totally
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: different level of time and energy and expertise, but it
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: makes that experience a little bit different, a little bit
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: more intimate in some way. What if instead they say
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: this was great, but now have you seen these things
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: that shoot the bolts out of what looks like a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: rifle ball guns. Yeah, what did they say? You know what?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: This thing just shoots the arrow too right guarded as
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: a gun or a boat. We haven't decided yet. I mean,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: can I use this during archery season? I understand there's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: gotta be a long a line drawn somewhere, and I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: agree that's that's a tough question answer. You know. It's
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: interesting is that, for whatever reason, when I look at that,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: my guts like, oh no, that should not be used.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: But then when you start thinking about why, why, where's
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the Maybe there's some mechanical thing within that the then
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: you we can point to say if it has this
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: mechanism that propels the bowl to the eraw, then it
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: can qualify as archery. But if it's compressed gas or
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: something like that, I don't know. Um. You know, our
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: dad was involved because he started bowl hunting very early,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and he was involved with groups that were early on
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: petitioning states to create archery seasons, which at the time
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: was very controversial for many of the same reasons that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: people point to controversies around cross balls. People didn't want
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: to have archery seasons because I was gonna destroy deer hunting.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But then so he was involved in
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that in the fifty's and then was vehemently opposed to
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: crossbows for the same set of reasons that he battled against,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you know, to to try to bring in archery seasons.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: I don't. I've never I've never shot once, so I
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: don't really have This is just something I'm trying to
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: look at and figure out. I had a guy, right,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, you know, efficacy rates don't really
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: go up with crossbows, but it's only because inexperienced hunters
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: use them. He's if the real hard hitters, if the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: real hard hitters were using them, it'd be like game
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: over from his perspective, like the real lifelong hard hitters
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: switch to that would be like they'd be exceptionally deadly.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: So I don't know the instincts, Matt. I don't know.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't have an ethical position on it.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: My own state were I hunt, and I'm very selfish
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: about like I like there to be a few people
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: as few people in areas as possible. I would I
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: would completely selfishly hope they don't have crossbows because it
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: seems like it would turn into more people being do
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: you think more people like, do you think people that
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: didn't hunt Austin started hunting because crossbows came on the scene.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Absolutely you think, so, I'm or rifle hunters. I could.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: That's what it comes to mind me, is that a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: rifle hunter be like, oh no, I can hunt with
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: this thing. And I think the whole question comes down
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: to which way do you look at things? Do you
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: look at that from the perspective of do you want
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: more hunters or do you want fewer hunters? Do you
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: want fewer hunters because it's going to lead to a
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: better experience for you personally, then you probably want to
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: crossbows if you are less concerned about your specific way
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: of experiencing the wild and what your hunt is gonna
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: be like, and you are thinking more about what are
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: things gonna be like twenty years from now my son's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: hunting than that person I think supports crossbows. I'm on
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: board until Matt loses the opportunity. Once Matt opportune, I say, okay,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: I'm ready to move on. I want to talk about
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: emotional support dogs. It's it's a good How many dogs
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: do you own currently? Five? Do you have any of
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: them registered as an emotional support dog or even registered
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: as one, like do you have an emotional support dog? So?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: How it? Like, Matt, can you we haven't really talked
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: about this, you have one? I have an emotional support
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: course break down for me? Are you at liberty to
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: talk about it? Sure? Okay, as long as the airlines
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: some representatives, I'd like to I'd like to entertain you.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I want you to talk and I don't want to
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: get yourself trouping from the perspective of some of an
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: emotional support dog. Yeah, well, because how is it? Okay?
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, no fish your question? Okay? Is it just
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that you don't want to be inconvenienced, so therefore you
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: have an emotional support dog? Or do like? Just to
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: speak for your community? Is it that you guys are
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: like all you mean I could do this and then
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: just bring my dog everywhere? Is that? Or is it I? Emotionally,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: I guess it's like, um, I enjoyed being with my dog,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: so like I like my dog to be with me,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and I just so happened to like I I have
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: struggled with depression in my whole life, so I'm on antidepressants,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: which makes me eligible to get the dog. To have
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Shifty be an emotional support dog. Is it more emotional
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: for you to be with? Is it more emotional for
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: me with alpha dogs? So it's really the only reason
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I registered. I I saved a few hundred bucks on
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: airline tickets. But it's totally legit, right, And because she's
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: an emotional support dog, I'm allowed to like have her
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: on a leash next to me on the plane outside
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: of a kennel. But I don't want people. I want
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: people to think I'm paying to take her, so I
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: put her in a kennel so they don't think them
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: they don't, they don't know him crazy. I gotta, I gotta.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I want to put the comparison to this because I
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: know people who have done this. Getting an emotional support
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: dog permit is like getting America a medical marijuana slip
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: from your doctor. The same as you say, I got
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: a headache, okay, here you can buy marijuana. That was
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: my doctor wanted a few days to think about it. Doctor,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: So you don't, but you don't use it for because
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: like with bird dogs, to be great, right, I could
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: fly to Alaska with one and go ahead, Termagan if
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I could tell him I was you know, I needed
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: a dog for emotional support, that'd be great. But you
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: haven't done it. I never even thought about it. But
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: I know people have done it. I know people who
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: have done it with a full sized dog, and they
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: were afraid that we're gonna get caught because, like you said,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you don't want to say too much, because part of
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: it's for convenience. You know you you love that dog.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: You don't want to leave it. I don't think can
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: emotional sup four dogs be any size or do they
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: have to be any breath doesn't matter, could be a
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: master for quirky, It doesn't matter if change your gears
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit, if you this is so I think
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: that I get I get nostalgic in Michigan. What's the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: thing from growing up that if you when you tell
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: someone about it, now, what what part of like some
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: belief system or thing that was typical or happened or
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: extraordinary or whatever that when you tell someone that that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: happened to you when you were young, it sounds the
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: most fucked up? Can I leave off like from from
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: a hunting perspective and just whatever you want they could be.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, and you have a clarifying question. You said
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: us a couple of ideas that we'd be talking about,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: and I said, Steve must have put me up to
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: this one. You have one? Yeah, well, I mean, well
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't put you up to that. I sent the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: idea to you. Yeah well, I mean but I thought
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: you you threw that one in because you know some
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: history about me. Oh no, because I have things I
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: can't tell. Okay, I have no, there's some things that
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: there's there's some practices that I was familiar with. I'm
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: talking about like in the sporting life that um now
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I just have to I would talk about them with
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: you downstairs, say, but not up here. This is just
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: like growing up stuff things that you can't believe and
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: people nowadays. Yeah, I'll do I'll do mine, just to
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: set to get on talk. Okay, okay, because I got
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: mine ready. I tell my I told my wife this story.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I told my kids a story and they look at
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: me like they can't picture what I'm talking about. My
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: dad used to have a friend who would come over.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Uh he was. He was a drunkard named Mr Higgins.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: And I remember Mr Higgins coming over our house one
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: time on his snowmobile in his snowsuit. But didn't have
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: clothes on under his snowsuit. And do you remember this? Yeah,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: and he took one of our pet hamsters and put
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: it in his snows suit. Wasn't a gerbil? Yes, snow
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: a hamster put it? I think it was a hamster,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: not a gerbil. I think, came back and put it
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: in his snowsuit and let it run around while saying
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: I love that little critter. And it burned it into
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: my mind, just Mr Higgins, how drunk he'd be, how
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: he'd come over on a snowmobile. And it's just like
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and I probably even messed the parts of it up.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: But when I tell people, I don't know why. I
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: was just like one of the stories that's in my repertoire.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: And it's gotten to be that these people used to laugh.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: And now I tell people who look at me like,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you can't be telling me this. But guy wouldn't like now,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: if he were to try to do that, he would
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: burn up in flames or something over Like, guys don't
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: show up dress that way drunk on snowmobiles anymore. Right,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: it's just, for whatever reason, something in the air not accepted.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take liberty because you know the story.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Matt probably does, and me being the old guy here, Um,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing is like this is the
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: greatest this is the greatest thing in the world. It's not.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: It wasn't when you were growing up. But I want
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: to pressace it with when I was a kid. You know,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sixty one years old. We literally got out of
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: the house in the morning and left and we lived
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: in the city of Chicago, in the city and just exactly,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just what I'm getting that is like
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: our parents didn't really I'm not saying they didn't care.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: They just didn't worry like parents worried now. They didn't helicopter.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: And then that same thread, there was a policy at
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: the Chicago public schools that I hadn't I was oblivious to.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: In eighth grade in Chicago went first to eighth grade.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: You didn't have scoth You know where I'm going, all right, So,
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: like you get junior high here and I don't understand
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: what just happened between you two. I just know the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: story is I thought you knew about skipping from the
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: first and so I graduate eighth grade, like we didn't
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: have a middle school thing. So you go from this
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: little school with one little gymnasi hamster in your junior high.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: No junior high. So you come from eighth grade and
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna go now with these
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: all these people older than you, and you're all your
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: friends from eighth grade. Yeah, dude with five o'clock shadows
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, in sophomore year and come to
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: find out and this is you can google this. It
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: is a policy, was a policy until nineteen seventy six.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I graduated in seventy five. The boys swam naked in
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: swim class. Now I'm not we sat Now, I'm not
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: trying to steal the thunder, because no one's the thunders.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: The thunders you have. Matt was there and we were
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: all up with the fish shack in Alaska, and I'm
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: telling this story. You guys are rolling and Doug's not
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: believing me, and Danny kild the only one that had
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: a signal on his phone. And Danny goes, yeah, look
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: here boys in Chicago's swim make and I'll end it
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: on that. But whetting At nobody knows. You can look
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: it up. And they say, uh, you know the you
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: know the swimsuits. If they weren't well kept and they
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: were just dirty. I'm like, it didn't make any sense.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I could go into too many swimming stories, but I
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: just wanted a picture. And I know it's like it's
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: like Pink Floyd's the wall man. It's like they're like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it makes no sense. It's just they're like, I want
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: to make sure to cause this looks psychological damage to
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: children as possible. Right. And the point I was good
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: before was our parents couldn't go to school. I didn't
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: even have parent teacher conferences nless you were, you know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: the kid that was in the hallway all week. And
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: so if you become a home you say we swim naked,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: your mom gonna go like you're going outside me back
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: by dinner. It didn't seem to bother anybody that I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: was also born October thirty, so I was like way
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: behind the maturity scale when you were eleven months behind
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: everybody else. Kept looking in the locker for swimsuits. But
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: watching everybody walking, looks like my dad gotta gotta think
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: about thinking somewhere. I think I felt like I did.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I had less on that. If you know what I'm saying,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: So like you got naked and it took more stuff off.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I was more naked, and I to this day, I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: can't swim a lick. I go opened the boat with you.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: I got the one life preserver to just kids. Wedding
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: goes anyway, So I'm really I don't know, maybe I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: ate up too much time. It's weird, is like at
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the same time, I thought everybody's running around those Rodney
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Dangerfield swimsuits like from that to school, like like the
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: suit that was a little before me. But yeah, man,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: I had nothing, sorry, any practices that. Uh. When I
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: was a kid, I listened to Billy Joel, There's some
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: things are so embarrassing, s mart, keep it to yourself.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Parents wouldn't let that happen anymore. Was it supposed to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: have a Michigan twist or no? From our childhood? Oh yeah,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: because he violated the Michigan rule. No, just go ahead.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: And when you tell the story now, people kind of
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: look at you like is that for real? Like you're like,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: it feels very like you're dating something like another one.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I'll tell well, I I think I got something for you.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: It's like when I tell all you guys about Latvian
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: summer camp and went what went on there? You guys
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: all look at me like I can go on and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: on about the activities that went on there, but it's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: it's just like every other summer camp since it was
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Latvian summer camp experience. No, nothing like that. Like another
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: version of what I'm saying would be the remember one
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: time my dad rounding a corner and my brother, we're
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: little kids. The door swung open and he shot out
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: onto the curb. So there there's like a couple of
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: things where those safety belts, no child restraint seats, and
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: he's riding shotgun. So that's just different now, Like now
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: it's hard to pict your kids squirting out of it
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: fast cornering car. No nothing, you go, no, No, I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: don't know if I have anything like that from mine. Yeah,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I kind of misread the question, what did you think
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: of men? I thought you were talking about like really
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: inhumane things we did as kids. Oh yeah, that's what
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: I was saying. That must be okay to talk about that.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: But now that I realized that's not what you're asking,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be okay, although it does
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: in't a kid, how things work different? Yeah, are you
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: guys familiar with um mark. You correct me if I'm
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: wrong on this. If if you like, if you shoot
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: a high fenced deer, is it true like that deer
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: is non admissible into Pope and Young and Boone and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Crockett correct, that's correct. So we got a number of
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: question record books for that kind of thing that there
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: are people keep those records, but not the fair chase
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Boone and Crocker books like sci will accept it, right, yeah,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Sei and some other things. So Boone and Crockett and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Pope and Young will not accept like a confined dear
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: from a confined area in the record books. But we
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: got a couple of emails from guys ask an interesting
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: question where the fish world doesn't have an equivalent. So
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: some dude like, I want to get my story straight here,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: some guy in Tennessee bakes a pond, has a private pond,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: and basically builds a croppy in the pond that beats
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: the state record. Yeah, beats the state record by a pound.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: That guy should be ashamed himself. And then it's like
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: this so ridiculous, But I f g A accepts the
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: what is it? The whole idea of having a trophy
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: that you like accomplished something well, and this other guy
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: wrote and Mark might don't know about this, I don't know.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want to put it on you. But it's
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: there's there's a guy in Texas who's managing a pond
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and his whole deal is just to grow the next
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: world record bass. And he says that this feller was
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: actually influential in the creation of food plots to grow
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: large white tails. I don't know if that's true or not.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: It was last May that the guy in Tennessee raised
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: himself up in a little pond a new world record croppy.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: So it's more about now it's like it's not about
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: you're angling skill. It's like how good you are at
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: fish husbandry? Eg. Yes, but that's but this is where
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: this is where it gets like a rich subject because
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: that's what that's what people's happened. Like. There's there's there's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: the argument that what that like white tail hunting has
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: become animal husbandry. It's become like like big time white
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: to hunting has become more akin to animal husbandry than hunting,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: which you know, there's sides to it, but this idea
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: that um that that that's infiltrating or permeating the fish
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: world and should an organization that the Tally's records, like
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: the I f J is very strict, like if you
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: hook a fish and then hand the rod to me
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: and I landed, that fish is ineligible. Okay, you can't
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: gasp it all kinds of stuff, but you can basically
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: make a frank and fish. Yeah, as long as I
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: don't hand the rod to you. Right, it's the record.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: It's it's like, uh, what is the goal? I thought
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that it seems like the goal should be like that
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: if you get a high score in one of these things,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: that that's like emblematic of some kind of an accomplishment. Yeah,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and so it just it's two. I've always argued that
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: there should be one that's like for the score you
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: get when you shoot something where everybody else can go,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: and that would be like the one that most people
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: would aspire to have the top score at. Yeah, like
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: you you've proposed the idea, and I've talked about it.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: You've proposed the like the hunt purity score is a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: different thing, different that's that's a that's a different animal.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: But this this is about like if we're gonna have
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: some number that um quantifies a hunting achievement. It's just
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: be there should be one that's designated for fishing game
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that was harvested where anybody can go. They have to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: catch this like so this this fish is raised to
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: do you actually have to catch it like on a
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: hooking line to like qualify. Yeah, you know you gotta
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: then catch it you have right there. You can't net
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: it up. You gotta like catch it by certain Is
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: there any difference in that and making your property into
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: food pots and all that other stuff? I don't know.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I'm throwing so I like the fish out of the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: pot in the backyard. Yeah. I think the bigger issue
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I had. The bigger issue is is even the idea
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: of applying or saying that the score of an animal's
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: antlers is indicative of some kind of skill that you
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: as a hunter has it all. I think that's where
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: issue is in general, that we're looking at this number
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: if it's not that well, I would say, I mean,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I'd say I'd say it's like always that, Like, why
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: else would you have a scoring system unless it's like
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: a way, it's surrogate for how long you're That's not
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: when it came up with scoring systems. When the Boone
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and Crockett Club was started, they were keeping they were
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: trying to improve the records of Elbow to understand these
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: species back in the nineties. Well, it's it's coming along
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the way, but no, it's important to understand that that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: it was a way that you could It was a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: way you could look you can look at long term
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: trends of what the landscape was capable of producing. So
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: whatever became like, there was there was a way to wait.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: It was like at a time, this sort of way
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: to tabulate and mark what what species were doing. It's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: like when somebody tells you, yes, the inches of their deer,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: they're not They're not boasting about what productive habitat they hunt.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I think the score can be valuable, is like an
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: indication of like the rarity of an animal. Like I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: killed the deer that scored higher than the deer killed
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: the higher score deer than I ever had before this
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: past year. Does that mean I'm some kind of great
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: hunter because of it? No. The only thing I look
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: at that as, if anything, it's just simply I was
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: fortunate enough to kill a very rare dear and so
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: in my own mind that that's kind of special just
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: because of how rare that animal is out there. But
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: no way do I sign any kind of like higher
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: skill let to myself because I kill the X dear,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: and so and so killed so many lessones. Dear, But
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: you're drifting, But that's drifting for what we're talking about.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: What we're talking about, like the thing with raising a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: fish up in a pond is it's in a completely
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: controlled environment, right, So it's not even it's not like
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: you're taking on the idea that there should there be
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: like maybe you're arguing the idea should there be? Is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: there validity to having a system by which we score
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: things with fish? Is just weight? You know? But this
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: is sort of like if you have like our normal
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: notion of like someone catches a fish, there's a normal
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: sense of um, he got it, oh definitely, and where
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: whereas others could not. I have a question because you know,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not the big game hunter in the room. Okay,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: but I gotta go to boone crocketad Okay, So if
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Buondo crocketat or Pope and young was started to to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: see what, how, dear were healthier, bigger, bigger antlers are
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: we saying in the beginning of Boone and Crockett, there
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: was nobody's name next to who shot it. Well, then
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: I go back with Matt's idea, Well, there's all kinds
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: of information about it, but it wouldn't be important to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: have the hunter's name on it. Let's say, let's say
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: you knew that some county in Michigan, once upon a time,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: some county in Michigan used to every year. I'm just
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: gonna pull like a number that's not achieved. But let's
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: say some county in Michigan every year would kill twenty
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett bucks every year. But then you look
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: and it's been a decade since one has been produced
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: in that county. Do you regard that as helpful or
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: not helpful information? If I was a game hunter, I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: guess I would find that as helpful. If if you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: were a guy that wanted to deal with a big score,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: yet to be very helpful, I think, But I also
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: think it's telling. It's telling of something else. The fact
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: that some people abuse it or fetishize it. I don't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: think then means that the whole idea of scoring something
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: is invaluable or invalidated because some guy is a prick
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: about it. So do you think this guy will go
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: back next year? Catch that croppyn't have the first and
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: second place? Speaking of fish, what health advisories on fish? Like,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: you eat a lot of fish, you eat a fair
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: bit of fish, fish marks, but not as much as
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: you pay much attention to health advisories. I don't. You
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: really don't. I really don't. It's it's trick like they
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: I don't, but I'd rather I didn't know about him.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, I got nervous. I'll say that like I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to trust. I mean, I live as though
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I trust the science emphatically. Like if there's there's a
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: there's a reservoir by my house that I fish and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: says don't eat fish out of your more than three
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: times a month, and I'll be like, okay, I will.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: If as long as I don't eat four times, then
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent. You know, um, it's weird.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: There's so much weird stuff about food. It's like though,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, uh, I know, I hear people talk about
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: that all the time, that pond um. But these are
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: people like friends of mine where I live that oh no,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: there's that help. But These are people that eat grilled
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: meat and process meat like brats and stuff four or
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: five times a week. There's so much evidence that world
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: meat causes cancer. It's like undeniable. But they'll do that,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: you know, So it's like That's one of the things
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: that frustrates me about it is when I was living
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: in Seattle, we had a great yellow perch fishery. No
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: one would touch it because everyone knows about this thing
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: that you weren't supposed to eat more than like some
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: number of months. But like, weren't you just ship faced
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the other night? Ask your doctor? How often should I
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: get so drunk that I can't remember where I was?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: I can't even not more than four times. I don't
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: pay attention to advisories because this box says the word
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: the serge in general says, quit smoking now because it
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: greatly reduces your risk of health. And that's not slowing
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: you down, not a bit. Uh talk, Yeah, I talk
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: about what Parker Hall's perspective on it. His perspective is
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: if he was to be so lucky and to be
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: such a good fisherman for the rest of his days,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: to catch so many fish that he would then poison
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: himself and his family from feeding them so many of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: these fish. Then he will he and his family will
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: die happy because he was such a good fisherman. You'll
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: know he was a winner. He he had a lot
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: of good days spent. Okay, uh, Mark, I hate you
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: another dear one being in deer hunting country at all.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: The guy wrote in Wonderuness you know how there's this
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: commonly held perception, probably true, seemingly true, that when you
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: pressure dear they become nocturnal. They become increasingly nocturnal with pressure.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: You don't you don't like that? Yes? Is it a
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: commonly held perception? Everyone here would agree that there's like
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: a thing like you know, deer under more and more
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: pressure do more and more move last during daylight. This
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: guy has a great idea that I think, Well, i'm
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: gonna tell you, Mark, I'm gonna give you a hot till.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: This is gonna change the white tailed world. Why not
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: go out on your property and raise Holy hell at
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: night all the time. I like it, and drive them diurnal.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: It's very interesting idea. It's a great idea. Those deer
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: like bro I don't think ship at night. See you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: see the people out here? I wait till that sun
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: is high in the sky, and then I go out
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: into that field and catch a bite. Changing lives. What's
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: that You're changing lives right there? That's interesting. And another
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: dude about white tails wrote in Wondering um, if you
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: could buy the app through the liberal application of dough
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: and heat lure, you're in. If you could make the
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: rut come earlier by by all the mimicry and making
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: deers think they were missing out, well I'll say this.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you could or not, but I
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: think that you could potentially instigated rock because I think
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: bucks are can breed dose anytime. I think so that
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: they're always the only reason. Yeah, well people are that way.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that perch oar. Well, yeah, but female
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: like human females are ready all the time too. But no,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: that's a big thing. That's where they think. That's one
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: of the things they think drove human monogamy was the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I like a thing to drove human monogamy. That is
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: that there's no like one of human female is receptive.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: There's no outward manifestation. It's not like a baboon or something,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: but there's an outward manifestation and it could happen at
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: any point in time, it could happen throughout the year.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: So you didn't have, like humans to guard your reproductive partner.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: You couldn't be like a deer and be like, I'm
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: out for eleven months, but I'll be back when the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: action happens. You had to like be and it and
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: it's sort of and it sort of drove you know,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: like humans are kind of monogamous, and that's a thing
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: that helped driving. I never heard that. But where were
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: you in this? Oh? Well, the white you're challenging that
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: a buck can. He's ready to go whenever. I know
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: that right that the rut is triggered by changing levels
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: of daylight, which then impacts rising levels into staster on
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: a buck and estrogen in a dough. And so when
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: the dough reaches that certain level, which is triggered only
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: by the change in daylight, that then we'll bring her
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: into heat, which then will allow her leads to her
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: standing and a buck being able to make her. Would
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: a buck be able to do that otherwise? If you could,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: if you could somehow? Now, I think there have been
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: studies where they've put deer in control environments where they
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: can change where they can control photo period and then
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: have been able to change the timing of breeding within
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: a closed facility on like lab deer. Basically, So if
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: you could do that to a doll, but then have
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: a buck just maintain regular status quo, would he breed
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: her if she was standing in April because she thought
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: it was the time ago? Maybe? Um, but I don't
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: think that. Psychon, I'm out with a bunch of snort
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: wheezes and about this, I'm gonna throw us something now.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Then I don't expect anyone to really know us by
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: know that a listener will know an email in if
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: you were to capture a deer, capture deer here a buck,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: and in transport that buck to the southern hemisphere, how
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: long would it take until he was shutting his antlers
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: six months later? Now that it's a question, right, Um,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I gotta follow up for you. Oh yeah, go ahead. Um,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: if any of you guys ever wish that instead of
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: being year round like we have it that you could
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: switch like rolls will say a bowl or the elk
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: species have like a human run and just rolling like
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: you know, early to mid September and hang out for
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: about thirty days, fight and roll around a mud and tiss,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: get things done and then and then leave. What are
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: you gonna do for the other eleven months of the year.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I'm just asking if you don't make it during deer season,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: it would be like a wedding reception all the time. Man,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: It's it's such an interesting thought that we had. Never
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: has a CCS got into the way we're in. It's
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: just like this time of year when all of a sudden,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: like everyone's gonna breed now. It's highly competitive. There's no
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: sense of allegiances. Dudes who just like beat each other
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: to death. That's not gonna works. It's like five beta
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: alpha and stuff like that. Right, Okay, one last one.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I'm never gonna play seeing through the bullshit? Uh, reincarnated?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Did I preview this one with you guys? Reincarnated? I
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: didn't read the whole email, so I don't think I
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: got this email. Come in. I didn't read the whole thing,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: so I didn't see the dude the email to us
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: about this, Oh you could be reincarnated as an animal?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: What do you go with? Oh? Yeah, you did some platter,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you? Mine is big old bull out man. Really,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: everybody trying to shoot out. I want to rip one
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: big old bugle. I want to urinate down my leg,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: freaking destroy some trees. Ship You don't care how bad
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I want juke some dude, like, make him follow me
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: down the mountain for three miles. They just danish. But
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: you like the last question. You just had to climb
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: a mountain and I even seal it. Yeah, it'd be
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: nice ripping the bugles. Be cool at sh man, do
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: your do your way far off elk bugle albody, get ready.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: This is a bugle way far off where you're like
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: so off you barely You want the kind where you're
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: like you can't even tell if you heard it. That's
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: when he barks at you. So you've come back as
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: the lab An eagle. You come back as a bullet,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: ripping up trees and bugling. I'd roll flying squirrel man,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: because have you ever won? Because I want like, squirrels
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: are cool, but I want people shooting at me. And
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: have you ever felt the soft tummy on a flying squirrel?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: It is un islmost like velvet. The most unbelievable picture
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: yourself every night kicking back? Was it calling man? Just
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: like when you're you don't know when you're laying in
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: bed and you and you and you're like you move
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: your legs to get to a fresh zone or whatever.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Just the feeling of myself as a flying squirrel. Yeah,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: you can get a little bit of that eagle feeling.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Every now and then I wake up and be like, jeez,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: do I feel good? Like I mean, I feel good? Yeah? Loon, loon, loon.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Then you can fly, you can fish. People like him. Yeah,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: I know what she say. You get to make that
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: cool noise out of the late fly out at night
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: just over the head. You hear like making that loon sound. Yeah,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: our dad called muck loon ship. It was like bad
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: muck deep muck. Was that that's a good animal? S
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: they probably live long. What are you gonna roll with, mark? Ah?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I what a very different direction than you guys. Um.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, like first, like a wolf, I like
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: to hunt, But then I realized I'm not really a
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: pack animal. I'm much more kind of like a curmudgeon
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: that would want to sit in a tree by myself
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: and wait and watch mountain. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the game birds thing because that's
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: everything I do and um, so you're gonna live about
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: a year and a half. It's gonna be a good year.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: And you know it's like why hitting some brush like
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: there's like everyone knows, like technically in some cases geese
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: mate for life. And uh, I was telling you earlier today,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: how uh bob white kaya will she'll lay your eggs,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: get together with the male. It's fertilized her, you know,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: bread with her, leaves him to watch the eggs, and
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: she goes off like my first wife and does it again.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: But the ringneck pheasant is I want to be gaudy.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: I want to have a big rooster crow and I
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: don't want to be I want to I don't want
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: to be monogamous in the next life. I want to
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: be I want to have all the ladies and have
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: no responsibility. And if you're an elk, you gotta take
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: care of all them women at the same time. That's
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: just want to I just want to run around and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: crow again. And all right, y honest, Uh, let's tell
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: pull up who's coming the person my mom picked, Yes,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: we do that first, well, and then that person because
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: they might pick the underdog. It's gonna be an hour
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: until they get down here. It's gonna feel in it,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: and then we'll explain how how it works. All right,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: So the person that is sitting in this seat, if
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: you would like to please come on down to the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: stage and you're gonna play seeing through the bullshit presented
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: by Vortex with us. It is the balcony right center. Okay.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: Does everybody know which section that is? If you're out there,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: it should say on your ticket. Okay, you guys know
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: you are in balcony right center and the seat is
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: M three. Okay, So here's how so are are We
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: wanted to do the game and our bodies of Vortex
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: help us out by creating a gift that we can
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: give out. Do I have all the right here? So
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: you get these here? Uh brands picketing new ten by
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: forty two fiery binoculars, stuped up, stuped up high in binoculars.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Well they got they gotta built in laser range finders.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: So as you have your binoculars and I'll carry a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: range finder. He's got the range finders in there, so
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: you hit the button the range find stuff. We're messing
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: around and we were zapping. Uh. We we were able
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: to range find deered over a thousand yards. We were
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: messing around with these, So you get these for seeing
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: through the bullshit and playing the game. Now the game
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: is this. We're gonna tell you two. We're gonna tell
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: you a thing that's true, but you're gonna have to
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: pick it out from two things that are not true.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: Where's the person? I think he's repelling? Oh? Are you
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: coming down? Come on? Come on? You have a peak
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: for him? Up? Hop on up? Are you fired up?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Or do you wish you weren't doing it? You're fired up?
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: What's your name? Rick? Meet you? Hey? Can we have
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: a Actually you passing that chair? Thank you? I wish
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: we put rack right there anywhere, but let me put
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: you in the middle. Right. So, Rick, you're gonna hear
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: a thing that's true and two things that are not true,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: and your job is to suss out the true one.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: You want to go first. You want to give him
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: the true one first. It's in with the true one,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: like like that Princess bride thing. Um. So I guess
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: one of the I was reading about this and it
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: was published last year and the the journal Wildlife Management.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I guess one of the one of the age old
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: questions in white tail management is how they avoid inbreeding
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: and UM, it seems like particularly president like with habitat
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: fragmentation that do you're getting confined to smaller areas and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: there the populations you got these meta populations that aren't linked.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: So UM people have always wondered how they don't suffer
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: inbreeding depression. So uh, these this group of UH social
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: social scientists and and behavioral cologists from Michigan State took
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: some detailed observations took some detailed observations on white tail
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: does and it turned turns out that um, not only
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: do they uh segregate from their first siblings and there
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: and their first and their male for siblings and first
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: and second cousins, like they become spatially segregated from them
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: during the rut, but they become highly aggressive towards them
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: when when they do encounter them. So I got because
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: I guess the the male relatives are our our our
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: keen to make like unlike humans, they don't mind because
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: siblings but also first and second cousins. Yeah, did a
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: dough can detect. Yeah. There's a case study part of
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: the paper where they talk about a few incidences where
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: they've caught um. The dough is actually trying to nip
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: off the testicles of Okay, that's dog right, dog rick
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: the hell they get done. Mh, I'm gonna take you
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: back to Okay. There are a couple of promoters around
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Niagara Falls and they get this idea that how how
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: they can raise up some money and they buy an
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: old schooner, like a barge schooner, and they figure, you
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: know what people would really pay a lot of money
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: to see is if we filled it full of zoo
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: animals and ran it over Niagara Falls to its destruction.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: And so they get some bears, they get geese, they
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: get a buffalo, They put dogs and cats on it,
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't really work. As the bears jump out
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: and swim to shore, everything else goes over the falls.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: It's rumored at the first creature besides the fish to
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: ever survive the fall over Niagara Falls was was a goose.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: And it's estimating the popular estivating the number of people
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: that came to see this happen is as difficult as
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: Trump's inauguration, but it's estivated. Between five and thirty thousand
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: people came to watch this menagerie that came to watch
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: this menagerie of animals go over Niagara Falls to their death.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: Best estimates put it at ten thousand people gathered to
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: watch this happen. But you haven't heard the last one. Yeah,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna readmind right out of the newspaper article. Last summer,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: a new Indiana state record law argemounth bass was caught,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: eclipsing the previous record, which was a fourteen pounds six
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: ounces basses caught by Jeffer Schultz, which had stood for
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: twenty years on a neighborhood pond in Bloomington, Indiana. An
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: eight one year old Graham A Carol Lundbergh took her
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: seven year old grandson Jackson fishing. She forgot the babe.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Carol picks up a cigarette button and puts it on
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: the hook. I guess you thought it looked like a worm.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: She cast it out, passes Roger, a grandson, and he
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: immediately drags up a toad. The fish is certified, it's
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: sixteen pounds eight ounces, and it becomes the new Indiana
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: state record large mountain. Just last summer. What's that bull
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: That was bullshit? And you think that Steve is the
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: true story? Like absolutely certain you got. You're the first
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: guy to ever win. Man. Have you heard the story before?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: You never heard any before? You never heard that story before?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: What was it? The game of away? Good job, man,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: work man, Thank you for coming up. Everybody else, hold on,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: what what what? What? We forgot something? Yeah, you're forgetting
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: something very important. There's a giant merge table out my system. Man,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much. With that, love all you guys
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: very much.