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Hubby taunts cops, 'FIND THE BODY!' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A husband, taughts police, hey find the body. Well they did.
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Speaker 1: Now he is charged with murder, but can they prove it?
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Speaker 1: You know I was always suspicious and still am. When
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Speaker 1: anybody says you can't prove it or you'll never prove it,
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Speaker 1: that makes me want to prove it even more. We
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Speaker 1: were talking about a lovely young woman, Mary Stella Gomez Mullet.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this now. Please are looking for
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Speaker 1: a woman reported missing in the Boyden Beach area. This
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Speaker 1: is her. It's forty five year old Mary Stella Gomez Mullet.
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Speaker 1: They have says she's been missing now for about a week.
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Speaker 1: She is described as being five foot four, one hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty pounds, no distinguishing scars or tattoos. Please say,
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Speaker 1: anyone with information should contact crime stoppers. How many times
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Speaker 1: have we heard that if you have information, called crime stoppers?
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Speaker 1: Very rarely do we have a happy ending again, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Flux Nation. In
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Speaker 1: series six seven one eleven. Let me introduce to you
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Speaker 1: and all star panel to try to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. Melissa Hotmeyer, the chief of
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Speaker 1: the Special Victims in Family Violence Unit, and Prince Georgia's
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Speaker 1: County State Attorney's office. That's in Maryland. Co founder Right
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Speaker 1: Response Consulting, No Gray Zone podcast. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at Right Response Consulting dot com or on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: No Gray Zone RRC. We'renowned psychologists joining us from the
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Speaker 1: Manhattan jurisdiction. Karen Stark is with us, and she said
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark with a C. Karen Stark dot com. Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: former coop now private investigator with his own firm, Crispin's
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Speaker 1: Special Investigations dot com. The meta well examiner for the
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Speaker 1: entire state of Georgia. You can find entire state of Florida.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at pathcremed dot com. Doctor Tim
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Speaker 1: and Gallagher Butt first to Climb online dot com. Investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: also writer with lead Stories dot com. Alexis terrest check Alexis.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard somebody say you'll never prove it,
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Speaker 1: or you can't prove it, or find the evidence or
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Speaker 1: in this case, find the body I have. This is
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Speaker 1: what criminals say when they are taunting people like the police,
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Speaker 1: like family members that are desperate to find their loved ones.
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Speaker 1: Let's say you'll never find it. But in this case
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Speaker 1: they did you know you were earlier hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at CBS twelve news talking about this woman. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at her photo right now, Mary Stella, beautiful, perfect tea,
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Speaker 1: dark hair, She's wearing a giant crucifix and a puffy blouse.
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Speaker 1: She looks so happy. It looks like she's sitting in
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Speaker 1: the din of their home on a big, comfy sofa.
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Speaker 1: Out of the blue, Mary Stella seemingly disappears into thin air.
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Speaker 1: M take a listen to our friends at WPTV News
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Speaker 1: Channel five. Authorities say Gologne and Gomez Muled had a
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Speaker 1: deal to get married in January. Gomez Mulled would take
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Speaker 1: care of his mother and Hyalia. In exchange, they would
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Speaker 1: wed so she could gain US citizenship. On February eighteenth,
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Speaker 1: Gomez Mulette's family say that she was driving up from
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Speaker 1: Hialeah to boin In Beach to return a car. She
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Speaker 1: was never heard from again. Well, that opens up a
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Speaker 1: lot of territory to doctor Tim Gallagher. But first, Robert Crispin,
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Speaker 1: private investigator at Crispins Special Investigations, you're joining me out
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Speaker 1: of Florida right now. That's a long stretch of row
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Speaker 1: from high Aliyah to Point and Beach Release. I think
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Speaker 1: it is is it is? It about an hour drive
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Speaker 1: depending on traffic. Could be a little bit longer for sure.
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Speaker 1: And when you're trying to find a person that had
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Speaker 1: been on that stretch road, what do you do? Boy,
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Speaker 1: that's a needle in a haystack. It really is a
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Speaker 1: needle in a haysta. But why do you say that
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Speaker 1: there's so many cars here? There's so much traffic. South
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Speaker 1: Florida is just a plethora of cars and traffic, and
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Speaker 1: it's depending on what time of the day it is.
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Speaker 1: I think you could go a mile in two hours.
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Speaker 1: You're kidding one mile and two hours. But what about
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Speaker 1: license grabbers on the side of the road. You got that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, if Florida is famous for all of its
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Speaker 1: tools toll after all, there's cameras attached to every one
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Speaker 1: of them, certainly there will be suckling video and earth.
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Speaker 1: What we call them license late readers. And what they
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Speaker 1: do is they're grabbing your tag and they're everywhere. They're
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Speaker 1: on ninety five, they're on the turnpike, and they're on
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Speaker 1: a lot of these side roads. All law enforcement has
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Speaker 1: to do is input that tag number into that system.
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Speaker 1: And that system is going to give us a picture,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna give us a location, a GPS coordinate. It
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Speaker 1: just automatically, does it. They just grab these guys every
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Speaker 1: time you drive by one of these cameras that automatically
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Speaker 1: grabs it. That would have been the first go to
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Speaker 1: tool for me if I was working this case. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. Melissa Hotmeyer, chief Special Victims Family
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Speaker 1: Violence Unit, joining us out of Maryland. You can catch
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Speaker 1: on our podcast No Gray Zone. I like the name
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Speaker 1: of that, Melissa, Thanks for being with us. You know,
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Speaker 1: when have you ever heard somebody say you don't have
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Speaker 1: any evidence. You can't prove I did it. You can't
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Speaker 1: prove anything where you don't even have a body. That
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Speaker 1: would infuriate me. On cases where there is no body,
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Speaker 1: I guess people wrongly think that you cannot prosecute a
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Speaker 1: case unless you have a corpus delectiles, you have a
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Speaker 1: dead body. But long story short, you can. But it's
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Speaker 1: let's be honest, it's a lot more difficult, Melissa, a
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Speaker 1: lot harder without a body. Yeah, I mean those are
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Speaker 1: those are the worst. I mean, they're prosecutable, but they're
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Speaker 1: the worst cases for prosecutors because juries want to see,
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Speaker 1: you know, what happened. They want to see the evidence,
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Speaker 1: and the evidence is in that body. It's really hard
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Speaker 1: to prove both cause and manner of death without a body,
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Speaker 1: but you can certainly do it. Um. You know, you
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Speaker 1: just got to put together a really, really good case,
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Speaker 1: and you've got to work with good investigators and keep
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Speaker 1: it together. We've all done it. Yeah, it's hard, and
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Speaker 1: there's always the old defense trick. Melissa hot Meyer, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if this has ever happened to you where
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Speaker 1: In closing argument, the defense argues she may even still
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Speaker 1: be alive. We were up against this when I covered
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Speaker 1: the Mike Michael Peterson, no excuse me, Drew Peterson. Drew Peterson,
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Speaker 1: the former cop that had I guess four wives. One
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Speaker 1: of them, Kathleen Savio, was found drowned dead in a
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Speaker 1: dry bathtub, covered in bruises. Wow, I wonder what happened.
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Speaker 1: Then the last wife, Stacy Peterson, goes missing, and within
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, the former cob husband Drew Peterson,
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Speaker 1: starts giving away her bikinis, her lingerie, her fur coat.
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Speaker 1: He knows she's not coming in the door, but there
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Speaker 1: was never a body. That case has never been prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: Melissa Hotmeyer and Peterson taunted everyone with the fact that, hey,
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Speaker 1: she left to go be with her lover. There was
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Speaker 1: no lover. She's dead. He killed her. But there's the
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Speaker 1: defense trick, Melissa. At closing arguments, they would say, Hey,
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Speaker 1: she may be holed up in Atlantic City with her boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, hey, is that her coming
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Speaker 1: in the door of the courtroom right now? And if
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Speaker 1: a girard looks, they could argue, you see, you're not
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Speaker 1: even convinced she's dead. I hate when that happens, Melissa. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a reasonable doubt, right, there isn't it. There's worst nightmare. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like all of these missing body
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Speaker 1: cases tend to be, you know, child abused and domestic
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Speaker 1: violence related, and so there's a pattern, and it's certainly
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Speaker 1: something that is very, very difficult and something that no
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Speaker 1: prosecutor wants to have to deal with. But you know,
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Speaker 1: we need to bring justice to the family. The family
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Speaker 1: deserves justice, The family deserves feels to bury their loved
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Speaker 1: one as well. But at least the prosecutor can work
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Speaker 1: on bringing desice crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance. I'm Mary still like Ms. Mullet.
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Speaker 1: It's a lovely young woman. His husband taunts police, find
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Speaker 1: the body, don't look at me, don't arras me. Find
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Speaker 1: the body. Well, they did take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at CBS twelve News. Now, please are looking for
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Speaker 1: a woman reported missing in the Boyden Beach area. This
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Speaker 1: is her. It's forty five year old Mary Stella Gomez Mullad.
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Speaker 1: They have say she's been missing now for about a week.
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Speaker 1: She is described as being five foot four hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty pounds, no distinguishing scars or tattoos. Please say, anyone
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Speaker 1: with information should contact crime stoppers. Of course, you see
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Speaker 1: a problem right at the get go to Karen Start
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Speaker 1: joining us renowned psychologists out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. Karen Stark.
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Speaker 1: It was, let's just say, an arranged marriage. She wanted
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Speaker 1: permanent US citizenship. He needed somebody to take care of
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Speaker 1: his mother. He didn't want to take care of her himself,
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Speaker 1: so they married. That was the deal that was struck.
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Speaker 1: So we you are looking at the husband's demeanor. This
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Speaker 1: is a whole another can of worms. Because do I
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Speaker 1: have those facts right, Alexus terres Chuck joining us crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigate every border before I asked Karen
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Speaker 1: start to comment, that's the way it went down, right.
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Speaker 1: It was more of a marriage of convenience. It was
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Speaker 1: not a love match by any stretch. No, she started
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Speaker 1: out working taking care of his elderly mother, and then
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Speaker 1: he offered to her like, hey, I'll marry you. You
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Speaker 1: can get green card status. So she did it because
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Speaker 1: she really wanted to live here and wanted to be
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Speaker 1: here legally, and this seemed like a perfect opportunity for her.
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Speaker 1: But instead he totally manipulates her. So Karen Star, those
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Speaker 1: are correct. Alexis terres Chuck confirms those facts are correct.
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Speaker 1: So when you are looking at the husband's demeanor, you
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Speaker 1: gotta take that into account. This isn't like, Wow, they
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Speaker 1: met in college and fell in love, or they met
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Speaker 1: on a flight or whatever. They met at the coffee
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Speaker 1: shop and it was love at first. It's not like
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Speaker 1: that at all. Okay, this is not out of a romcom.
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Speaker 1: This was a deal. So when you're looking at how
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Speaker 1: he is acting, that's part of the you gotta factor
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Speaker 1: that in, the factor in the fact that he is
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Speaker 1: more like an employer instead of a husband, a romantic husband,
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Speaker 1: and he's in a position of superiority. He's in charge.
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Speaker 1: She gets a green card if she behaves, and he
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Speaker 1: marries her. All of it is arranged, and so this
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Speaker 1: kind of superiority puts in it. Think about the taunting Nancy.
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Speaker 1: He's arrogant, you know, kind of life. You're my slave
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Speaker 1: and I'm the master. And I think that that's how
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Speaker 1: the whole thing evolved. He also tends paranoid. So the
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Speaker 1: police of the enemy. There is something very specific about
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Speaker 1: a killer who's taunting the police. They're enjoying themselves. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friend, Willard Shepherd at in Baix.
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Speaker 1: The woman was reported missing on February twentieth. Mullet's friend
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Speaker 1: told police that Cologne's home was the place she was
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Speaker 1: heading when they last heard from her. Police said Cologne
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Speaker 1: did tell them Mullet had been there, but he left
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Speaker 1: to go to the doctor and she wasn't there when
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Speaker 1: he returned. M wasn't there when he returned. Now did
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Speaker 1: you catch this straight out? Do you? Robert Crispin PI
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Speaker 1: at Crispin's Special Investigations. She was last saying on Fab
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Speaker 1: eighteen when she was driving from High Aliyah to Boynton Beach,
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Speaker 1: but she was not reported missing until Fab twenty. Right,
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Speaker 1: I didn't I caught that. I was expecting a little more. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm a JD, not a DDS. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: to pull teeth, but I could try. I could try, Crispin,
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Speaker 1: if I could get to you. So what does it
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Speaker 1: tell you? I mean, listen, we got a two day
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Speaker 1: window in there that we don't have any information at
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Speaker 1: all right now, So what happened between the eighteenth and
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Speaker 1: the twentieth. He's telling them he went to the doctors.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you they're at the doctor's office trying to
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Speaker 1: see if he was really there. I'm starting right there
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Speaker 1: in my little window. I'm starting right there. That crime
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Speaker 1: scene at that house is growing more and more important
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Speaker 1: to me because that's where she was last. That's very
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Speaker 1: important to me, that house. And then we've also got
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Speaker 1: that stretch from High Alia to Poynton Beach. So do you,
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher? You've got an objective witness, friends stating
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Speaker 1: her family stating she was driving Highlia to Poyton Beach.
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Speaker 1: So I guess the first thing you do is start
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Speaker 1: coming that area. Now we hear she was headed to
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Speaker 1: his house, so that becomes a point of interest for police.
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Speaker 1: But I guess the first thing I would do was
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Speaker 1: get a hold of since it's been two days so
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Speaker 1: she was last seen and he reports her missing, I
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Speaker 1: would get the cadaver dogs. Do cadaver dogs only hit
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Speaker 1: on human tissue or can they hit on some other
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Speaker 1: kind of animal tissue? Well, you know, I'm glad that
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Speaker 1: you mentioned cadaver dogs. We have a very good service
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Speaker 1: run by Russ Lander out of South Florida, and his
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Speaker 1: dogs are trained for about two years and you can
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Speaker 1: train them on discovering whatever you need to. He trains
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Speaker 1: them to discover human flesh, human decompositional flesh. And if
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Speaker 1: I could give a big shout out to Hercules, who
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Speaker 1: was a wonderful golden retriever, very well trained by Russ
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Speaker 1: Westlander has helped us in countless countless cases including finding
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Speaker 1: including finding underwater. Oh wow, I'm fascinated with that. Finding
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Speaker 1: a body underwater. A cadaver dog absolutely can do that.
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Speaker 1: You said that a cadaver dog hits on decomposing human tissue,
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Speaker 1: So explain to me why a dog let's just say
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Speaker 1: top mom Casey Anthony who said a pizza went bad
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Speaker 1: in her trunk and that was what the cadaver dog
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Speaker 1: was hitting on. Don't laugh. Jerry apparently believed it. No comment.
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Speaker 1: What's done is done. Can't fix it now. But how
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Speaker 1: do I know a dog is not going to hit
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Speaker 1: Let's just pretend a decomposing Pepperoni pizza versus a decomposing
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Speaker 1: human body. Well, you have to go with their record.
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Speaker 1: You know, if the cadaver dog hits on something, then
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Speaker 1: you explore that area and find a body time after
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Speaker 1: time after time. That dog is going to be very
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Speaker 1: well respected in his field. But if a dog hits
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Speaker 1: on various different things and you can't find the body,
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Speaker 1: then that dog will never ever be a well trained
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Speaker 1: cadaver dog. So you really have to go by their experience.
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Speaker 1: And it does take about two or sometimes even three
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Speaker 1: years to train a dog from the time they're six
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Speaker 1: months old to about two and a half years old.
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Speaker 1: To hit on human a decompositional tissue, well, it's a
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Speaker 1: hot Mayer Chief the Special Victims of Family Violence Unit
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Speaker 1: in Maryland, Melissa I have been fortunate enough to try
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Speaker 1: multiple cases that included dog witnesses, and I have said
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Speaker 1: ever since my very first dog witness case, the best
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Speaker 1: witness I ever put on the stand was a dog,
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Speaker 1: and that still stands true regardless of how many cases
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Speaker 1: I've tried or covered. They never fold on cross examination,
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Speaker 1: they never get tripped up on their words, and they
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Speaker 1: perform beautifully in court in front of a jury. That
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Speaker 1: is if you practice with them first before the jury
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Speaker 1: comes in. But Melissa Ham, I want to follow up
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Speaker 1: on something Gallagher, doctor Tim gallaghri to Florida, just told
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Speaker 1: us you have to prove their record and it's light
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Speaker 1: lying a foundation for any other piece of evidence in court.
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Speaker 1: If you'd want to do a handwriting sample, you got
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Speaker 1: to show the known writing was to say, all the
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Speaker 1: checks Jackie writes here in the studio compared to the
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Speaker 1: questionable writing. And you have to make a comparison, and
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Speaker 1: you have to establish your expert how many times have
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Speaker 1: you done a handwriting comparisons? How many times have you testified,
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Speaker 1: how many articles have red you written, how many how
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Speaker 1: many books have you written? You have to establish that
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Speaker 1: testimony before the judge will say yes, they're an expert
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Speaker 1: in their field, therefore yes they can testify and you
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Speaker 1: have to do that typically in front of the jury.
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Speaker 1: So same thing with a dog, a cadaver dogs. What
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Speaker 1: I'm getting back to here, Melissa, Yeah, absolutely, you know
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Speaker 1: you're going to have to get you know, like you
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Speaker 1: said earlier, meet with your witness and make sure that
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Speaker 1: you know what the history is. Know how many times
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Speaker 1: the dogs has testified, been qualified as an expert before
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Speaker 1: the training that went down for that dog, how long
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Speaker 1: the dog was trained, all of those things are going
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Speaker 1: to want to put in front of the judge that
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Speaker 1: they can make that finding that it's it's an expert
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Speaker 1: that can be that can be relied upon. Because you know,
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Speaker 1: jurors they want expert testimony and they want to know
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Speaker 1: that the person that they're going to rely on has
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Speaker 1: those qualifications. So it's important to get that in front
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Speaker 1: of the judge so they can make that finding, but
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Speaker 1: also so that the jury bison and believes what your
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Speaker 1: expert testifies to. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, what happened
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Speaker 1: to this young woman in an arranged marriage believe it
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Speaker 1: or not, right here in the US, but not arranged
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Speaker 1: by parents or anyone else, arranged by themselves. She wanted citizenship,
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Speaker 1: He needed somebody to take care of his mom. The
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Speaker 1: deal was done. He says that she had been in
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Speaker 1: the home. When he came back from the daughter, she
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Speaker 1: was gone. Friends say she was driving from Boynton Beach
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Speaker 1: all the way to Hilia, from Hilia to Boyton. So
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Speaker 1: what has happened? Where is she? Is she still alive?
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Speaker 1: What can police do? Was there a two day delay
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Speaker 1: in reporting her? The husband seemingly taunting police, don't harass me.
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Speaker 1: Find the body? Well they did, but can it stick?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Steve King w p b F
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Speaker 1: twenty five knees du Sell Sayid says he's known Cologne
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Speaker 1: for three or four years. He's kind of quiet, but
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Speaker 1: a weally don't know who He was overdes Ekay. Sometime
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Speaker 1: he passed right here with his dog. Sometime, he say
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Speaker 1: high two people. Gomez Mullet went missing over two weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: A few days later, a bloody purse believed to be
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Speaker 1: Gomez Mullets was found about a mile away from the home.
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Speaker 1: A mile away from the home, her purse was found. Now,
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Speaker 1: in my mind, that corroborates what he said. He came home,
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Speaker 1: she was there, he went to the doctor, he came
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Speaker 1: back and she was gone her purse bloody is the
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Speaker 1: key factor to me, and that scenario was found a
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Speaker 1: mile away from the home. You were just listening to
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Speaker 1: our friends dating at wp b F. I'm just wondering
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Speaker 1: about a cadaver dog. Back to you, Tim, Doctor Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 1: a cadaver dog. Would it hit on just blood or
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Speaker 1: does it have to be decomposing human tissue? It could
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Speaker 1: be decomposing human tissue. It could also be decomposing human blood.
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Speaker 1: Decomposing tissue releases certain aromas that are not present in
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Speaker 1: living tissue, and that's exactly what the dogs hit on.
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Speaker 1: So it must be decomposing soft tissues such as muscle
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Speaker 1: organs or decomposing blood that has been exposed to the
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Speaker 1: air for approximately twenty five twenty four to about thirty
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Speaker 1: six hours. Karen start to hear the neighbors saying, gosh,
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Speaker 1: you're such a quiet guy. I've knowne in four years
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Speaker 1: and he speak to all the neighbors when he walked
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Speaker 1: his dog. Why is always the quiet ones the loaners
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Speaker 1: so to speak? Do you hear that all the time?
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Speaker 1: I know that interesting and it's true, so well behaved,
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Speaker 1: such a nice person. Well because behind it all, they're
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Speaker 1: really ruthless killers, but they're able to split their personality,
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Speaker 1: so they come up as being quite normal, you know,
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Speaker 1: the way we would expect our neighbor to be. And
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Speaker 1: that's what makes it so fascinating that they're really able
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Speaker 1: to be this other person and portray themselves that well.
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Speaker 1: So the search between Boynton Beach and Hialia is going on,
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Speaker 1: the search of the home is going on. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut five from our friends at wp
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Speaker 1: b F twenty five. Cologne told detectives they had an argument.
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Speaker 1: A later search of Cologne's home led to investigators find
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Speaker 1: blood on the front door and different parts of the house.
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Speaker 1: He said it was from his injured dog. Police say Cologne,
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Speaker 1: when talking with detectives, called Gomez Mullet different expletives and
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Speaker 1: said that she was quote swimming with the fishes. Did
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Speaker 1: I just hear that correctly, Jackie? That he called her
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Speaker 1: names after she goes missing and says she's quote swimming
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Speaker 1: with the fishes. Okay, well right there. I want to
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Speaker 1: arrest him right now, but sadly there's not enough proof.
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Speaker 1: She goes missing, he says she's swimming with the fishes
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Speaker 1: and calls her a lot of slurs and names. But
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Speaker 1: that's not enough for an arrestaurant. Melissa Hotmeyer, No, it's not.
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Speaker 1: But I want to arrest him too. I want to
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Speaker 1: arrest him right now. In fact, I want to go
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Speaker 1: ahead and just give him the death penalty. But I'm
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Speaker 1: going to hold back. You know another thing, what about
22:49
Speaker 1: this Robert Crispin. I don't know if I need a PI,
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Speaker 1: but since I've got you, the founder of Crispin's Special Investigations,
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Speaker 1: former law enforcement. There is blood on a doorknob, and
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Speaker 1: he says it's from an injured dog. Since when does
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Speaker 1: a dog open the door with a doorknob? Listen, they
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Speaker 1: zeroed in on this guy right from the get go.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you from being a trained investigator and dealing
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Speaker 1: with these trained investigators. And I've worked with a lot
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Speaker 1: of blinking beach guys at the very High Speed Police Department,
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Speaker 1: and the things that you just don't hear that are
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Speaker 1: in the press. These investigators are so trained. They sit
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Speaker 1: and they talk to somebody just like you do, Nanty
23:28
Speaker 1: when you were a prosecutor. You know internally with your
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Speaker 1: sixth cents. Something's going on with this guy. They had
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Speaker 1: a person of interest. From the time they walked in
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Speaker 1: that front door, everything else just started to come together
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Speaker 1: as soon as they found that purse. What did that do? Boom?
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Speaker 1: That put it right by his house. So guess what,
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Speaker 1: we don't have to look back in highly anymore. Do
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Speaker 1: right now? Now we're finding blood on the doorknob. Boom.
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Speaker 1: His story that the dog did it, I don't think.
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Speaker 1: So let's test that. I mean, the dog did it.
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Speaker 1: That's like, that's like making excuse two. Oh, it starts
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Speaker 1: with the dog gate my homework. Now they're blaming the
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Speaker 1: dog for the blood in the home. But the reality is,
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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher, when minutes count, detectives can't tell by
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Speaker 1: looking at the blood whether it's human blood or dog blood.
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Speaker 1: That is true, But they can do a quick in
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Speaker 1: field test with something called a phenol thaline to determine
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Speaker 1: if it's human or not. So it's no, it'll just
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Speaker 1: take a few minutes to verify human or not phenol phaline.
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Speaker 1: How does that work, doctor Gallagher, Well, if it is
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Speaker 1: human blood, it'll turn one color, it'll turn purple color,
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Speaker 1: and if it is not human blood, it will just
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Speaker 1: stay colorless. Can you tell me that one more time.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about phenol phaline, and it is a quote
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Speaker 1: field test, which means you don't just do it in
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Speaker 1: the lab, you take it out in the field with you.
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Speaker 1: Tell me again how it works, please, Well, you phaline
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Speaker 1: is a liquid, and you would apply it to a
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Speaker 1: sample of the blood that you found in question. And
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Speaker 1: if the blood is human blood, then the phenal failine
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Speaker 1: test strip would turn a purple color that would indicate
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Speaker 1: its human blood. If it does not turn the purple color,
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Speaker 1: that would indicate it is either not blood or not
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Speaker 1: human blood. So this guy all along, this husband taunts
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Speaker 1: the cops, challenges them to quote find the body as
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Speaker 1: they search for his missing newly wed bride. Bam, they did,
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Speaker 1: and he helped them all the way down the Primrose Path.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Josh Navaro WPTV. Police say a
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Speaker 1: bloody purse believed to be the victims was found just
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Speaker 1: down the street a few days later from Cologne's house.
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Speaker 1: Gologne's arrest affidavis says a source came forward to police
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Speaker 1: saying that Cologne, through telephone calls, threatened to kill Gomez
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Speaker 1: Mulet and bury her in the backyard. Police obtained two
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Speaker 1: search warrants, one for the backyard where they found on
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Speaker 1: his wife remains. Mary's friend is still trying to make
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Speaker 1: sense of it. All of you, guys, the family distraught,
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Speaker 1: the friends distraught. Neighbors and families say nothing like that
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Speaker 1: ever happens in that neighborhood. Well it did, I mean,
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Speaker 1: but could you get original? One time Karen Stark buried
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Speaker 1: in the backyard. Really not only that, Nancy, he actually
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Speaker 1: gave it away. He's saying, you know, the dog did it,
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Speaker 1: but he's threatening to bury her in the backyard. So, um,
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Speaker 1: why is it so often we don't believe people when
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Speaker 1: they say things like I'm gonna kill you and bury
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Speaker 1: you in the backyard. Why would you even say they
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Speaker 1: think that they have. You have to believe when somebody
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Speaker 1: says something that outrageous to you. You need to believe
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Speaker 1: that there's something behind it. And I think, well, nobody's
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Speaker 1: capable of doing that. We know people are capable of
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Speaker 1: doing that, so believe it. But if somebody threatens to
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Speaker 1: kill you and that's specific about what they're gonna do
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Speaker 1: with you, believe it to Melissa Hotmyer, chief Special Victim
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Speaker 1: and Family Violence Union at Prince George's County state office
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Speaker 1: there in Maryland. Melissa Hotmyer, are you married, may? I ask,
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Speaker 1: I am, Has your husband ever said I'm going to
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Speaker 1: kill you? He has not, But if he has, I
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Speaker 1: think he'd be talking to some of my friends at
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Speaker 1: the police dequipment much less a divorce lawyer. Hey, Melissa, correct,
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Speaker 1: You know what. I've known my husband for many years
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Speaker 1: before we got married, and we've been married now about
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Speaker 1: fourteen years. Never once have either of us said the
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Speaker 1: words I'm gonna kill you. I mean, not even really joking.
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Speaker 1: You know a lot of times people say joking, I
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Speaker 1: want to kill him. We don't even say that joking
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Speaker 1: much less seriously. Yeah, I mean I think that you know,
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Speaker 1: when somebody says that to you, and especially in the
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Speaker 1: case where you don't know them, and this couple obviously
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Speaker 1: didn't know each other, well you should. You should believe them,
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Speaker 1: and you should leave Climb stories with Nancy Grace. Right now,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a lovely young woman, Mary Stella Gomez Mullet,
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Speaker 1: wants desperately to be a US citizens. She enters a deal,
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Speaker 1: a deal with the devil to marry Robert Collen in exchange.
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Speaker 1: You're looking after his mom. Shortly after, she's never seen
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Speaker 1: alive again, and the husband taughts police, hey, try find
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Speaker 1: the body, otherwise leave me alone. Well, they did find
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Speaker 1: the body in his back yard. Alexas tres Chuck following
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Speaker 1: up on that, I've never heard you or your husband
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Speaker 1: speak ill, even jokingly. I want to kill him. Those
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Speaker 1: are very serious words. But think about it, alexis, how
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Speaker 1: many times in cases that we have covered or investigated,
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Speaker 1: has those words been uttered? For instance, with Robert Blake,
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Speaker 1: he threatened Bonnie Lee Bakley, He talked about killing her,
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Speaker 1: and then he did, I don't care what the jury said.
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Speaker 1: What about Orienthal James Simpson O J. Simpson? He beat
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Speaker 1: Nicole Brown over and over and over. He threatened violence
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Speaker 1: on her. He threatened to kill her, and then he did.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious, and so in this case, guess and
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Speaker 1: that happened with Oja, it happened with Robert Blake. The
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Speaker 1: police did not help. When you call simpsonbody's first name,
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Speaker 1: like your friends, like you're gonna have dinner together, go ahead. Well,
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Speaker 1: this guy actually had been threatening this for a couple
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Speaker 1: of months. The Mary Stella's friends said they heard him
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Speaker 1: say these exact specific things, I'm going to kill you
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Speaker 1: and bury you in the backyard. Not just i'm going
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Speaker 1: to kill you. Oh, I'm so mad you've burned dinner.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you. I'm hungry. No, this was
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Speaker 1: I'm going to kill you and bury you in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: It actually reminds me of Mel Gibson in those tapes
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Speaker 1: where he was threatening the mother of his child and
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Speaker 1: he was saying, I'm going to bury you in the
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Speaker 1: rose garden. She is lucky that he didn't bury her
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Speaker 1: in the rose garden. But it's, you know, interesting how
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Speaker 1: people make these threats. We discount I don't, but a
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Speaker 1: lot of people discount them. But in this case it
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Speaker 1: absolutely came true. Take a listen to Steve King WPSB.
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Speaker 1: Police also say Cologne called a certain room in his
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Speaker 1: house a French word meaning slaughterhouse, and he said things
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Speaker 1: like that police will not be able to quote put
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Speaker 1: Humpty Dumpty back together again, and that Gomez Mullet was
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Speaker 1: quote swimming with the fishes. But there's something we're not
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Speaker 1: at least to happen in this neighborhood. Because the spot
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Speaker 1: spot and went to on beach. It's very quiet, everybody,
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Speaker 1: You know everybody, So let me go to you, Alexis
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Speaker 1: terres Chuck, what was the condition of her body once
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Speaker 1: it was I mean he basically laid out the breadcrumbs
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Speaker 1: for them to follow, like a big idiot, and they did.
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Speaker 1: But what's interesting, I guess I'm going to need a
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Speaker 1: shrink on this. Why would he taught police about finding
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Speaker 1: the body? But alexisterst Chuck, what was a condition of
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Speaker 1: Mary Stella's body when it was found? Luckily it wasn't
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Speaker 1: as decomposed as you would think after being buried under
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Speaker 1: the ground, because they were able to use her fingerprints
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Speaker 1: or her hands were still intact to identify her. Although
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Speaker 1: if you have to use fingerprints, I guess then you're
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Speaker 1: not looking at the face and saying, oh, that for
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Speaker 1: sure Mary Stella. So they had to use fingerprints. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean? Joining me is an expert medical examiner
31:54
Speaker 1: for these state off Florida. You can find me at
31:57
Speaker 1: pathcaremed dot com, doctor Tim Gallagh. Or what does that
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Speaker 1: mean that they had to use fingerprints to identify her body? Well,
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Speaker 1: that means that she was in some sort of state
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Speaker 1: of decomposition. And you know, we do have to identify.
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Speaker 1: It's the responsibility of the medical examine to identify an
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Speaker 1: individual in the case of a homicide. Now we have
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Speaker 1: to identify them scientifically, and by scientifically, we have to
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Speaker 1: identify them by some unique identifier that is present only
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Speaker 1: on their body. So fingerprints would be one way of
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Speaker 1: identifying someone scientifically. Using their DNA would also be that way,
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Speaker 1: as well as dental records. So it's not just looking
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Speaker 1: at a visual of facial recognition for identification. We have
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Speaker 1: to identify them in a scientific sense. You know, even
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Speaker 1: if the body was never found. Do you hear what
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Speaker 1: all he was saying to you New York psychologists joining
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Speaker 1: us today here and start. He referred to a particular
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Speaker 1: room in the home as a slaughterhouse. He used all
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Speaker 1: sorts of slurs and demeaning comments about the victim, Mary Stella.
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Speaker 1: That alone, he said, she was quote swimming with the fishes.
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Speaker 1: All that together in conjunction with the bloody purse, the
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Speaker 1: blood on the doorknobs, which is proven by a field
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Speaker 1: test to be human, and my mind would be enough
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Speaker 1: to prosecute him, whether you find the body or not.
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Speaker 1: What is it in the human psyche that would make
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Speaker 1: someone make these comments taunting police. Well, this is such
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Speaker 1: classic psychopathic behavior, Nancy, that we could produce in a
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Speaker 1: text book. Think about it. I mean absolutely devoided gilt right,
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Speaker 1: no empathy. His behaviors are outrageous. He places the blame
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Speaker 1: on others and the dog, and he's paranoid about her.
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Speaker 1: And he has that arrogance where he wants to infuriate
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Speaker 1: the police to feel superior, you know, to show that
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Speaker 1: he's in charge. The twunting, just the twunting alone would
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Speaker 1: show you that this is not your normal person that
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Speaker 1: you come across in the street. This is somebody who
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Speaker 1: has no conscience. To Melissa Hotmeyer joining us out of Maryland,
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Speaker 1: you and I know, especially with your background as special
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Speaker 1: Victims and Family Violence Unit chief, that the most dangerous
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Speaker 1: time for a woman in any kind of relationships when
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Speaker 1: she plans to leave the relationship. Now, the same friend
34:43
Speaker 1: we alluded to earlier said that Mary Stella had gone
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Speaker 1: to the home to return items to Colon and cut
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Speaker 1: off ties with him. That one factor, based all statistics alone,
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Speaker 1: tells me that is when the violence occurred when she
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Speaker 1: tried to break up. Absolutely, it is You're right, It
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Speaker 1: is the most dangerous time It's why unfortunately, so many
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Speaker 1: victims don't leave because they're afraid of what will happen
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Speaker 1: when they do. And this is just proof that the
35:17
Speaker 1: worst did happen. And you know, I'm sure he flew
35:21
Speaker 1: into a rage because nobody leaves him. And we all
35:25
Speaker 1: know what happened now we know that. On a follow
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Speaker 1: up interview two days later, police notice blood on the
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Speaker 1: front door of Cologne's home as well as in his workshop.
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Speaker 1: Now he climbs. First it came from a dog. Then
35:43
Speaker 1: he also said it came from a cut he got
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Speaker 1: while working in his workshop. You know, don't you just
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Speaker 1: love it? Robert Crispin, former cop, now runs his own
35:53
Speaker 1: PI business, Crispin Special Investigations. When the husband of all
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Speaker 1: people changes the story about the blood, oh Nancy, he
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Speaker 1: himself is just putting our case together for us every
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Speaker 1: time he opens his mouth. And the only thing if
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Speaker 1: you go from the time the law enforcement showed up,
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Speaker 1: all the way through finding the purse, all the way
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Speaker 1: through finding the blood, all the way through finding the
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Speaker 1: stories in any other case that you watch anywhere in
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Speaker 1: the US where someone's not guilty, what do we not
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Speaker 1: see with this husband? Where the room? Where is the
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, where's my wife? Oh my god, what
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Speaker 1: can I do to help you? Oh my god, I
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Speaker 1: love her? Oh my god, what happens to her? We
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Speaker 1: don't have any of that. So from the time that
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Speaker 1: the police walked in, then there was no compassion if
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Speaker 1: his wife was missing. He walked us right through his
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Speaker 1: own prosecution. And I love a guy that just keeps
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Speaker 1: talking because I won't shut him up. I will let
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Speaker 1: him keep talking and talking. And when it comes to
36:48
Speaker 1: the blood, like the doctor said, that protemptive test takes
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Speaker 1: about a minute, swab it. It's human blood. I'm getting
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Speaker 1: my search for him, and it's just going to unfold
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Speaker 1: from there. So his statements put him in jail. Along
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Speaker 1: with the scientific evidence, we'll convict him. Man, you're not kidding.
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Speaker 1: And another comment he made quote, at least you didn't
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Speaker 1: find a body at my house. I mean, it goes
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Speaker 1: on and on with this guy. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends. Earlier we were hearing our friends wp b F.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our cut ten. Take a
37:27
Speaker 1: listen now to our cut nine. Steve King twenty five
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Speaker 1: news Roberto Cologne appearing virtually in a Palm Beach County
37:35
Speaker 1: courtroom Saturday morning. I understand he's going to be held
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Speaker 1: based on the seriousness of the charges, count one, which
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Speaker 1: is the premeditated first screen murder. As of now, on
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Speaker 1: count one, there's no bond. Investigators searched Cologne's home on
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Speaker 1: Southeast twenty eighth Court in Boyton Beach on Friday, finding
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Speaker 1: the remains of Mary Stella Gomez Mullet in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: Cologne told investigators the two were married so Gomez Mullet
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Speaker 1: could acquire US citizenship. Now the defense is trying desperately
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Speaker 1: to get all of his comments thrown out of evidence.
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Speaker 1: Will it taint the case? We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off from Buried in the backyard,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend.