Latest / feel your feelings with Ethan Jewell / you're not lazy. you're depressed.
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- 0:00I spent years as a teenager and then as a full grown adult
- 0:04wanting to be more, wanting to heal, wanting to change, wanting
- 0:08to grow, wanting to achieve more but just being too depressed
- 0:12too. Starting to heal, starting to do
- 0:15better, starting and then stopping all over again because
- 0:20I hadn't dealt with the mental illness that was plaguing me.
- 0:23My name is Ethan Jewell and welcome back to Feel Your
- 0:28Feelings. I want to start today with
- 0:31something I think a lot of you have never heard named out loud.
- 0:34There's a particular kind of pain that doesn't get talked
- 0:37about in mental health conversations very much.
- 0:39And it's it's not just the sadness, it's not the
- 0:42exhaustion, it's not the numbness.
- 0:44It's something that lives beneath all of that.
- 0:47It's the gap. The gap between who you are and
- 0:50who you want to be. It's the gap between what you
- 0:53can do, what you can manage, what you can get out of bed and
- 0:57face, and who you know you're capable of being.
- 1:00You have dreams, real ones, a life that you want, something
- 1:05that you can picture right in front of you.
- 1:07It's clearly there. Things that you want to build,
- 1:10places that you want to go. A version of yourself that feels
- 1:13more alive, more connected, more you.
- 1:15And you can see it. It's right there.
- 1:17Maybe you've even been there before and you just can't get to
- 1:21it because depression or anxiety or trauma or whatever shape your
- 1:26mental illness takes is standing between you and everything
- 1:30you've ever wanted. And that gap is the most quietly
- 1:34devastating thing about living with mental illness.
- 1:38And today we're going to talk about it. 1st, I want to name
- 1:42this experience as specifically as I can, because I think a lot
- 1:45of people living with this feeling have never had any words
- 1:48for it. And when you don't have words
- 1:50for something, it's really hard to process it.
- 1:52I preach this all the time. You have to be aware of
- 1:55something before you can start working on it.
- 1:58What I'm talking about is the gap between ambition and
- 2:01illness. I mean, ambition isn't just for
- 2:04high overachievers. It's not just for Type A
- 2:07personalities. Ambition is just the human
- 2:09desire to grow. And we all have it.
- 2:13And we want to be more tomorrow than we were today.
- 2:16We want to connect, to create, to contribute, to experience the
- 2:19world. That's not some extra thing that
- 2:22only the top 1% of people have. That's a feature that everyone
- 2:25has, that you have, that I have. But the problem is when that
- 2:29collides with things like depression, you know, real
- 2:32clinical depression, the kind that makes getting out of bed
- 2:35feel like climbing a mountain. That depression doesn't erase
- 2:38that desire. It doesn't get rid of it.
- 2:40It doesn't turn you into someone who no longer wants things.
- 2:43It just makes those things unreachable.
- 2:45So you're left in this impossible place where you still
- 2:48want, you still dream, you still have that voice inside of you
- 2:52that knows what your life could look like.
- 2:53But your body won't cooperate. Your mind won't cooperate.
- 2:57Your nervous system is so taxed just keeping you functional that
- 3:00there's nothing left for anything else.
- 3:03And then this is the part that makes this much worse.
- 3:06You watch everyone around you doing the things that you
- 3:09desperately want. You watch them travel, you watch
- 3:12them achieve things in their career or in relationships that
- 3:16you desperately want. You see them building things,
- 3:19making new friends. And something in you lights up
- 3:22with recognition of I want that. And then it's immediately
- 3:26followed by something that feels like grief.
- 3:28Because you want it. And you can't have it right now.
- 3:31Not because you don't deserve it, but because you're
- 3:33struggling with something much deeper.
- 3:35Something much deeper that many people will never understand.
- 3:39And that's why we have to talk about this feeling directly like
- 3:41this, because it is very difficult to understand.
- 3:45Most people know that those who struggle with depression have
- 3:48trouble getting out of bed. But what a lot of people don't
- 3:51know is how badly they would love to just hop out of bed in
- 3:55the morning. When I was the most depressed, I
- 3:57wanted to get better so bad. I didn't just watch the days go
- 4:01by laying in bed thinking, well, this is how it just is going to
- 4:05be. I'm depressed.
- 4:06No, I desperately wanted what everyone else seemingly had.
- 4:11I desperately wanted to get up in the morning and be excited
- 4:14for the day. I wanted to get up and know what
- 4:16I was going to achieve, know that I was going to see people,
- 4:18know that I was going to be a light.
- 4:20I wanted it so badly. Depression doesn't erase the
- 4:24desire to be more. It doesn't erase the desire to
- 4:27grow. It just makes it feel impossible
- 4:31because it would be easier if depression just turned
- 4:33everything off, you know? If it made you stop caring, stop
- 4:36wanting, stop dreaming, it honestly would be easier.
- 4:40But for most people it doesn't work that way.
- 4:42The wanting stays, the dreams stay, the self-awareness stays,
- 4:48sometimes even painfully so. You still know exactly who you
- 4:52want to be, but you just can't access it.
- 4:55And what that creates is a very specific kind of suffering.
- 4:59It's the suffering of someone who can see the door but can't
- 5:02quite reach the handle, who knows the answers but can't get
- 5:05the words out, who wants to move but can't seem to get their legs
- 5:09to work. And this creates this narrative
- 5:12that you are not enough because we're told we need to achieve.
- 5:16And when we have an illness that makes it nearly impossible, of
- 5:20course, it feels like we're not enough.
- 5:21And that is an indescribable type of grief.
- 5:25And most people never give themselves that permission to
- 5:28grieve what they've lost to mental illness.
- 5:31When mental illness takes time from you, weeks, months, even
- 5:35years, there is real loss there. It's not metaphorical loss.
- 5:41It's it's a real loss. The friendships that didn't form
- 5:44because you physically couldn't show up.
- 5:47The opportunities that pass because you weren't well enough
- 5:49to take them. The version of yourself at 22 or
- 5:5225 or 30 that you imagined in the distance between that and
- 5:56where you are, that is grief, and that deserves to be treated
- 6:00like grief. It is hard to want to be more.
- 6:04It is painful to want to be more but have a mental struggle that
- 6:08stops you from getting there. And it's a lonely feeling
- 6:11because everyone else starts achieving and you are just
- 6:15trying to get going. I think people with depression
- 6:18carry an enormous amount of shame.
- 6:20Like I wasted my 20s, I should be further along.
- 6:23Everyone else is building a life and I've been stuck.
- 6:27But you can't shame yourself for this.
- 6:29You can't shame yourself for wanting more and not being able
- 6:32to do it because you're struggling.
- 6:34Shame says that you did something wrong.
- 6:37Grief acknowledges that something real was lost and that
- 6:40that loss is worth mourning. That's an important part of
- 6:43healing. Our mental health is being able
- 6:45to grieve the things that we've lost because you didn't waste
- 6:48your time, you didn't do anything wrong.
- 6:51You were surviving, and surviving when everything,
- 6:54including your own brain, is working against you is an
- 6:57incredible task. It is not laziness dressed up in
- 7:00a soft language. Survival under conditions that
- 7:03mental illness causes is genuine hard work, even when it's
- 7:07invisible. And you are allowed to grieve
- 7:09what depression is taken from you, The experiences, the time,
- 7:14the ease, the lightness that other people seem to just
- 7:17naturally have. You are allowed to feel that
- 7:20loss without shaming yourself for hurting and for surviving.
- 7:23It was a loss, it counted. You can grieve it and keep
- 7:26moving towards healing. My entire life I've wanted to do
- 7:29more, but I've been too depressed to.
- 7:33I want to succeed and travel and make more friends, improve my
- 7:37life, build something, become someone, actually live.
- 7:41But for years I couldn't because I was just trying to stay alive.
- 7:46And nobody talks about how much that hurts.
- 7:48The gap between who you are and who you know you could be.
- 7:52The life that you can see but you can't reach.
- 7:54That is one of the loneliest feelings in the world.
- 7:57Because you're not lazy, you're not wasting your potential,
- 8:01you're not unmotivated. You are fighting a battle that
- 8:05most people can't even see, most people can't even understand.
- 8:09And you are still here, you're still fighting, you're still
- 8:12trying to heal. And that is not nothing.
- 8:15That is everything. So what can we actually do now
- 8:20that we have found this gap between who we are and who we
- 8:23want to be? Now that we know how difficult
- 8:25mental illness can make living our lives and trying to be
- 8:28somebody that we want to be, what can we do?
- 8:31And I want to be careful here because I don't want this
- 8:33episode to turn into a list of productivity tips for depressed
- 8:37people. That's not what this is.
- 8:39And if you've spent any time searching for help with this
- 8:42online, you've probably encountered a lot of well
- 8:44meaning advice that essentially boils down to try harder.
- 8:48That's not what I want to offer. What I do I want to talk about
- 8:51is the way that you hold tension between your ambition and your
- 8:54current reality is what's destroying you.
- 8:57The first thing that helped me is decoupling your worth from
- 9:01your output. This is easier said than done
- 9:03because we live in a culture that values hustle and hard work
- 9:07above everything else. We equate productivity with
- 9:10value. Your worth as a person, as a
- 9:13human being, is not defined by what you build or create or
- 9:17achieve. It is not contingent on what you
- 9:19produce. You are allowed to exist without
- 9:22justifying your existence with productivity.
- 9:26You are not a machine. You do not have to do well to be
- 9:29loved. You do not have to achieve in
- 9:32order to mean something. You mean something exactly how
- 9:35you are, and by trying to force yourself into productivity, you
- 9:38are doing yourself a disservice. If you're struggling with any
- 9:41kind of mental health issue, that is what you should be
- 9:44focusing on. So go slow, be kind to yourself.
- 9:48Yes, it's OK to want to achieve, but it's not OK to define your
- 9:52worth as a person as how productive you are.
- 9:56So that moves me to my next point.
- 9:58It is very, very hard to do big things to achieve the things
- 10:02that you want when you're struggling with mental illness.
- 10:05Because many mental illnesses, what they do is they attempt to
- 10:08take all of your focus. They try to take you away from
- 10:12your life and convince you that something's wrong with you, that
- 10:15you deserve to suffer, that you don't deserve to achieve
- 10:19anything. And it's very, very hard to do
- 10:22the things that you want to do, to be the person that you want
- 10:24to be when you have a little voice in the back of your head
- 10:27telling you that. So I urge you to temporarily
- 10:30shift your attention away from these goals that you have and
- 10:34focus it on healing your mental health, on finding coping
- 10:37mechanisms that work with you and establishing a routine that
- 10:41helps you whenever you're feeling bad.
- 10:43I spent a really long I'm learning the things that help
- 10:47me. I still struggle with mental
- 10:49illness to this very day, but it's much more manageable
- 10:52because I've developed a routine that I can fall right back into.
- 10:56I have habits that are easier to keep doing even when I'm feeling
- 11:00depressed. So start really, really small.
- 11:03Start one day at a time and find little things that help you feel
- 11:08better. The small things count.
- 11:10I know how hollow that can sound when you're aiming for something
- 11:13much bigger, but the depression brain tends to operate in all or
- 11:17nothing terms. AKA if you can't do the big
- 11:20thing, nothing counts. And that is a lie.
- 11:23That is an absolute lie that keeps you from recognizing the
- 11:26real movement that is happening. Getting out of bed with
- 11:29something, eating a meal with something, sending that one text
- 11:32with something. These are real acts of forward
- 11:34motion under genuinely difficult conditions.
- 11:37So start small, start pushing yourself a little bit at a time,
- 11:41and recognize that you are doing the hard work and that you are
- 11:45helping yourself, and you're doing a real, genuine good
- 11:49thing. There's a fear that you've
- 11:51waited too long, that the window is closing, that everyone else
- 11:55has already gotten so far ahead that catching up is impossible,
- 11:58that the best years for building the life you wanted are already
- 12:02behind you. I want to sit with that fear for
- 12:04a second, because I think it deserves more than a quick
- 12:07dismissal. That fear is real, it has real
- 12:10shape and it comes from a real place, from watching time pass
- 12:13while you were just trying to stay upright.
- 12:15It comes from the genuine feeling of wanting and not being
- 12:18able to. But here's what I need you to
- 12:20hear. The window is not closing.
- 12:22You have time. You have time to heal.
- 12:26You have time to move towards the life that you want.
- 12:28You have time. The life you want, full of
- 12:31connection and purpose and growth and experience and joy
- 12:35does not have an age limit attached to it.
- 12:38You can keep working towards it one day at a time and it's OK if
- 12:41the progress is slow. It's still progress.
- 12:44The whole point of life is to learn and to grow one step at a
- 12:48time. There's no timeline on that.
- 12:50So start small, start taking care of you, start healing your
- 12:55mental health in moving towards the things that you want.
- 12:57Get professional help if it feels necessary.
- 13:00Reach out to people. There's no shame in this.
- 13:02So many of us struggle. You are not alone and that life
- 13:06you want is still there, so start ridiculously small.
- 13:10Every day that you stay in it, Every day that you stay and you
- 13:14choose to keep fighting, you give yourself another chance to
- 13:17work towards that future and you are not disqualified.
- 13:20You are not too late. You are still here, and still
- 13:23being here is the only requirement.
- 13:25You are doing much better than you think and I promise you that
- 13:29you can heal one day at a time. That's gonna wrap it up for
- 13:35today's episode. Thank you so much for being
- 13:37here. If you need help feeling your
- 13:39feelings, you should check out my music on all platforms under
- 13:42the name of Ethan Jewell. I almost guarantee it'll make
- 13:45you cry. Also, please drop me a comment
- 13:47and let me know what you thought about today's episode.
- 13:49I would love to hear your thoughts or just hear how you
- 13:52are doing. If you like this podcast, one of
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- 13:58So thank you so much for being here.
- 14:00Thank you for understanding that the gap between who you are and
- 14:03who you want to be does not define you.
- 14:07And as always, thank you for feeling your feelings.
- 14:12I'll see you next time.