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Nosferatu 2024 · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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It is a black omen to journey in poor health.
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You will remain and well rest yourself.
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I must object, my lord. You will obey this, my town soul. But, my lord...
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Count?
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Music.
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You have my locket. Dude. What?
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Let's go. Hey, buddy. Welcome back to another exciting episode of Sinister Frame. I'm your host, Kieran.
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And with me, as usual, sadly, Trevor.
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Great to be here, as always, Kieran. You see, I'm spreading the positive vibes, all like you.
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Well, I'm glad you brought up positive vibes. Because today's a big day.
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It's supposed to be a positive day. I know the Eggers household are all waiting around their stereo.
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Yep. To wait for this podcast to see if I'm going to be in the Edgar's bandwagon
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or if I'm just going to fucking jump right off.
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It's a big day. It's Edgar's day. It's a big day.
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He's pretty concerned. He said that he might be pulling from the theaters,
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depending on my outcome. Yeah.
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So Universal called me and says, Karen, can you get on this? And I said, I'm on it.
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As you know, I had the flu, so I never got to see it in time.
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So I finally saw it in the theater like it should be.
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And now I'm here reviewing it for y'all. I'm sorry to hear you had man flu.
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Man flu is very serious as we all know.
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That's right. Yeah. That's right. I had toast and water for a couple of days.
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Right. That's what I had. Were you in prison again? Yeah.
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Yeah, that's probably something from Ofcom or something. Yeah,
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that sounds more like it.
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All right, yeah, so we're here to talk about Braggers, Nosferatu.
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You got a pass on The Witch, which is a pretty decent little film.
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The Northman, well shot, but pointless.
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Lighthouse is one of the worst ones ever produced. That's a great.
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So I'm on the fence with him, and do I chuck him out the window and say, Eggers, good luck.
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You have a pretty solid fan base. This movie's a hit for you,
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so you'll probably be okay.
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But we're going to jump into this one pretty quickly here and talk about Nosferatu.
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You know, I always say when you do a remake, make it your own.
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Keep the source material true, but make it your own.
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They did it very successfully. In my eyes, they did it very successfully with
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the new Salem's Lot. They did it very successfully with the new RoboCop.
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RoboCop should have been R. It would have really been better.
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But they really hit all the park with the Fright Night reboot.
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Disagree. That they did a couple years back.
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You've never seen the Fright Night reboot. Yes, I have. I have it on DVD.
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Yeah, it's just a lie. You're a pathologic. What bullshit? I saw it as soon
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as it came out, and I also bought it on DVD.
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While it's serviceable, to me it was pointless, and it'll never touch the original.
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Let's stop there. Yep. Pointless.
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Pointless. if you're not going to do something different with the film don't do it okay.
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This is nothing but a copy and paste of the original and the 1979 version.
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Besides something with the rats and the Black Plague, he adds nothing to this
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but more of a current atmospheric tone to it.
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Well, the rats and the Black Plague stuff are in the 79 and the... Oh, there you go.
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He adds nothing. This is nothing but a copy and paste of the Elast of the other
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two. There's nothing of value here.
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Some well-shot moments, don't get me wrong. The acting is serviceable.
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But I have never in my life wanted to be bitten by a vampire and be taken, my life taken.
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This is the most boring fucking film.
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Two hours and 12 minutes of this shit.
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And I'll tell you what, he has an hour left to show you on DVD when it comes out.
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I'll buy that for you. Are you fucking kidding me?
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Are you kidding me? Let me tell you something. Here's the problem with Nosferatu,
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and it's a big one. Well, it's two of them, actually.
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First of all, first of all, you could have cut 45 minutes from this film.
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Easily. Well, within reason, we'll say a half hour.
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Literally, Ellen Hunter and Thomas Hunter argue about the same thing every scene,
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and they go on and on for 15 minutes.
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Oh but i love him he's in my dreams he's in my uterus and he tingles my body
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what are you saying woman next scene oh he's in my body he's in my uterus next
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scene oh he's in my body and it doesn't stop.
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And the moaning of this woman, for like 45 minutes.
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Then you've got, oh, the best part, the reveal of our boy, who I love, Bill Skarsgård.
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By the way, kudos with the accent. It's pretty creepy. Give him that. But he did his job.
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But who the fuck made Count Orlok, an old man, a porn, 70s porn star mustache?
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Historical detail and accuracy.
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I don't give a fuck. I don't want to fucking hear that. I don't give a fuck.
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It's true. I know that's what he was doing, but this is, it is horrible looking.
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And it's the most unscary vampire, even over Return to Salem's Lot,
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where they just wore a mask.
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It is so, this is not scary.
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Anybody, this film is getting teetered on. It's like, it's a killer mess.
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They don't know where they stand.
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Guys, it's not scary and it's extremely boring.
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It is, wow. Okay. Quite a rant there, Ciarán.
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Yes, because I'm angry. Why are you angry?
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We're going to jump into this now. Right now. Well, you've got to run a game
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of opinions, so we could just quit now.
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Yeah, good point. Thank you for joining us here at Citizen Frame.
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Okay. I would say that there are, I recently revisited the 79 and the 22 versions,
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and there are subtle differences, I would say, in terms of the presentation
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of Orlok, and generally the stuff about Ellen,
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you know, with her basically portrayed as a sort of free spirit psychic you
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know, that sort of thing harkened back to, I believe, a real life historical person,
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from that period and there's also subtleties, whose name just escapes me at
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the moment, there's also subtleties about the conflict between,
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you know the Enlightenment age and the old ways and stuff,
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which is more sort of looked into this Eager's version, but I mean,
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it's a beautiful film to look at.
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I was really looking forward to this, and I have to admit, well,
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you know, we'll get to it. We'll get to it.
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Yeah, so we've got pretty much the low casters I like. You've got Lily Rose
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Depp plays Alan Hunter. You've got Nicholas Holt as Thomas Hutter.
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You've got Bill Skarsgård as Conorlock.
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Aaron Taylor Johnson as Frederick Harding. You've got William Dafoe as Professor Eddard.
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You've got Emma Corrin as Anna Harding, and then you've got the guy I like to
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see, Ralph Einz. He's pretty much all of his films. Yeah, he fenced you from the office.
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Dr. Severs. So, yeah, the movie's done well. And I always like when horror does well.
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Universal's has the international rights and focus features.
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It's one of focus features. They're an independent studio. Yeah.
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Biggest hit, one of their biggest hits, which is nice to see.
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Universal, nice to see them, you know, getting some of the monster universe
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back in their pocket. So I don't mind that at all.
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Jesus. So the opening scene here, you got Ellen. I fucking don't care anymore.
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Is she a young, young? Okay, is she being?
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She is basically psych, right? Okay, no, no, no. Here's what I don't get.
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She looks just like she does. Okay, the movie takes place in Germany,
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1837. Yes. Okay, let's get that out of the way.
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The opening sequence is Ellen fucking doing, oh, moaning and groaning the whole fucking 10 minutes.
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Yes. And Nassafiraj is like, oh, I want to blah, blah, blah.
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And then is she an old flame? No. Or was she 10?
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No, no. When this scene was shot? How old is she here? I don't know.
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It's not revealed her exact age, but she is younger, and it is revealed later on that she was a child.
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Although it is more than heavily suggested that she has some sort of psychic powers.
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But what she did so through her psychic powers as a
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child she summoned him she basically
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summoned him through i don't know her powers or
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whatever and so basically all of the events
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of this film are actually her fault because she
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summoned him and he took her so yes
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he basically took her as a child and
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then it's revealed later on that her father come out and said this is sin this
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is sin you know all this sort of thing so yes technically
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he summoned him and the reason
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for everything all the bad stuff that happens in this film is essentially
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because of this opening scene with her and the director that's a good one by
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the way did you know did you know that anya taylor joy was originally cast in
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the character i don't care i don't care yeah well,
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there you go I don't care I don't care go ahead I don't care,
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So we're in Germany, 1838. Why is no one speaking German?
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Well, yes, that's for the sake of the Western audience. Yes,
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they should be technically. Why don't they just set it in England?
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Because the 1922 and the 1979 versions are set in Germany during this period.
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I mean, this is very much a version of Dracula.
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Let me ask you this. Let's stop you there. I want to piggyback on that comment.
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Yes. Now, we know the famous story about Nosferatu almost didn't get made because,
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Well, it didn't get re-released or whatever because they had to burn all the
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copies because the Stoker family sued them. Yes.
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I'll say this right now. They are completely right.
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It is Dracula. There's no settlement here. It's Dracula. Oh, yeah, 100%.
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But why is it allowed to be made now? Do they settle? Well, it's basically out of copyright.
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Dracula is out of copyright, the original novel, essentially.
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After so many years, things go out of copyright. So basically,
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me and you could make a Dracula film now or write a book with Dracula in it
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with no copyright claim against this.
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But whatever... Obviously, this was in the 1920s and Dracula was written in the late 1800s.
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So there was still a copyright on the novel.
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Ah, okay. And then once the copyright, they lost it, the Nosferatu 79 and the
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old copies of the 22 version could come out.
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Yes, essentially. Well, basically, the copies of the 22 were all meant to be
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destroyed, but all of them weren't, and it survived.
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Yeah, I know. I know that's what, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah. I don't know where to go with this. Well, it's a six-week journey that
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Thomas has to take to go to Orlach's Manor. The castle, yes.
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Yeah. And I felt like I was there for six weeks. I'll give that.
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That Ellen keeps having these fucking dreams. They don't stop.
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I just, she's, she's seeing a dreams of our wedding.
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She's crying because Thomas isn't there. It's actually deaf.
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She's marrying, which is actually probably Orlok.
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And one of the weddings dead like, okay, great. This scene will be copied again.
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Probably the next scene. There's a lot of this blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Were you, were you just sad that Arnie didn't pop up and start shooting the
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fuck out of it? Nothing to do with it.
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You know what? This guy needs to modernize this stuff. This guy needs to get off from Goff. He won't.
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We'll see. We'll see. When his next film is going to be.
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But, I mean, the problem I think you have, let me, please, let me finish my sentence.
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Go ahead. Oh, I'm going to end your life now.
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I'm going to call Count Orlok. Yeah. He's going to come and bore you and not
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scare you because he's definitely going to do that. With his big, sexy mustache.
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He's going to tick you with his mustache as he sucks on your chest.
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Do you remember last year I grew a mustache for charity? I was not on like Orlok.
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But anyway, he copied me. Hey, look, it's resin.
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Yeah. Sorry, you were saying. He interrupted me so I forgot.
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I don't know what I was saying. I forgot. What was I ranting about?
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Well, I mean, there's so much stuff you're ranting about, it's hard to keep track.
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You know? You were saying that Egers needs to modernize.
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Yeah, he needs to modernize, man. He needs to, I mean, it's all the same thing.
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And it's just, he's just copying and pasting himself. He even uses familiar
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shots he used before. And that's fine, I guess.
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All filmmakers have their stamp, I guess you can say. You know, and that's fine.
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But it seems the way the film's cut, there's definitely a three-hour version.
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Jesus, I'm never going to watch that.
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But because it seems like there's a lot of scenes that something's going to
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happen, and then it cuts.
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Like I feel like the scene in the castle when he's at Orlok's,
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it's very cut. Where are we now? Is this the next day?
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Wait, is he still in the dinner scene when he first introduced him? I think.
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Where are we here? And then there's a scene where he meets these gypsies. and,
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And they're going vampire-huntering? I'm like, wait, is that a vampire they
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just killed? Why are they sacrificing a virgin?
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What's going on here? And then it cuts away. He's in Count Orlok's.
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I'm like, what is going on here? Well, I can sort of explain it, I think.
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The stuff with the Romanians, the gypsies, is basically,
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again, Eagers being obsessive over historical detail and going back to the old
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legends of vampires from when people actually really believed in vampires,
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where they would sacrifice a virgin and stuff you know
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and you know drive the metal through his heart also my
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take on the stuff in the castle where it
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is quite disjointed and dreamlike is because well
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basically that's what thomas is going through but also the 1979 version with
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these scenes are i mean the 1979 version is very dreamlike anyway overall but
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especially the scenes in the castle so it feels like almost a bit of a tip of
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the hat to that version you know the Werner Herzog version?
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Yeah, again, I think it's a cheat then. And also, you know, I remember watching
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Dracula, because we're all going to compare them all to the same.
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We don't have to keep saying Nasherah to. We can compare this with Dracula as
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well, because it pretty much is. And so I'm going to do that.
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And when I first saw the 89, 90 version, Coppola's version, wasn't a big fan
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of it. A lot of people worked on Keanu Reeves and stuff.
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But I just recently watched it. And I'm going to tell you right now,
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hands down, I think, I'm talking about a change of heart, is I think Bram Stoker's
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Dracula, the Coppola version, is fucking brilliant.
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And it's a master class in filmmaking, besides some casting issues, which we won't go over.
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But otherwise, it is just an incredible, it's visually stunning.
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I just remember Gary Oldman's bodysuit, which was muscles, when he was Vlad the Appaler. Yeah.
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And then the 79 version with Frank Lagella, which is my favorite version.
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Donna Pleasant's Lawrence Olivier.
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And just scary and atmospheric. So, I mean, in the 79 version,
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it was atmospheric and great visual effects.
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Elbert Whitlock and his matte paintings. And it was just fucking awesome.
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I think it's The Curse of Dracula is my favorite one with Christopher Lee.
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The one I think is the one where he falls at the end in the moat and it's all
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ice. Oh, that's Dracula. I think that's the one.
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That's Dracula AD 1972, I think.
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Yeah, it's modernized because it's very color. Yes. But that's my favorite one
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of that. And I'm watching this.
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And I'm like, I don't need colors and rainbows and fluffy bunnies. I'm not asking for that.
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But I want gore, right? I want a scary monster, and I want pacing.
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What's wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with those three things I ask
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for when I'm watching a fucking vampire film?
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I agree that there do appear to be some, well, I mean, Eagers has basically
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admitted that there are some editing issues, and it is a bit overlong, I think.
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I'm actually going to agree with you maybe they could have shaved half an hour of it.
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But yeah i mean it's it's if eagers
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is going to be doing something like nos for that too and this is a passion project
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it's you know look at eagers back catalogue
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it's always going to be bleak and grim and
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you know very much keeping with eagers mo
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so you know you're not going to get this isn't
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going to be leslie nielsen you know what i mean i think you now you're i never
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said anything but I think now you're no no I know no no I never said Leslie
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Nielsen no I know at all but I'm joking I mean I'm tired Gary Oldman shined
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in that role I actually over I quite like the couple of version but actually I,
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one of the things I didn't again it's just personal choice I'm not sort of knocking
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Gary Oldman but I you know I didn't really buy Gary Oldman 100% I'd have to watch it again but
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you buy this fucking idiot and this is nothing against again it's nothing against I like him.
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The problem is he's misused. He's never really used. He's in the shadows.
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And when you do see him, he's an old man with a mustache.
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That's it. There's no monster in this. So let's get that out of the way.
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This is a different interpretation, very much a different interpretation of Dracula.
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It's terrible. Let me ask you this. You were really pissed off with Salem's
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Law. You tore that movie to shred.
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You gave it a 3 out of 10, which is fucking disgraceful. Now you...
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You're saying that this... I was waiting for this vampire to want to come out
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and put on the biker outfit and join the village people or go to the 70s porn film festival.
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And this was terrible. And this is the big one.
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I know this is one of the biggest complaints is the look of him.
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And I'll tell you what now. There's no creepiness here. There's no, ooh. It was like...
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Wow. When I watched the original one back in 1922, and then I watched the 79
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of Klaus Kinski, and then we'll also bring up both Salem's Lots,
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and you watch them, that thing is fucking creepy.
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And you watch this, and you're like, what the fuck is this dirty old bastard
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trying to get in this young girl's pants? Yeah. This is it?
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Yeah. This is what I'm getting? And then when he finally gets his rocks off,
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let the sun come down on me.
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And he's just stupid.
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Right, okay. I mean, each to their own.
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I would say that this interpretation, and again, it's not for everyone, which is proved true.
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This version is, and again, like the previous versions of Nosferatu,
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the more famous ones, because there have been several, but the 79 and the 22,
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is a very different interpretation of a vampire.
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It's not the sort of sexy, sort
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of type of vampire, or the seductive type vampire. This guy is pure...
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You're interrupting me. Let me finish. Wow, Kitty's got claws Yeah,
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oh yeah Okay, don't do that again,
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Don't fucking do that again But anyway, you know, this version is Basically
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the manifestation of death It's basically death incarnate He's a plague carrier
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You know, quite literally You know, with the whole rats thing and stuff Again,
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harking back to the 79 and 22 versions So, yes, it's just a different interpretation
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Not for everyone Which is quite clearly the case Not just you, you know,
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yeah i mean you know each to their
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own let me ask you this go ahead just dude let's
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pretend this wasn't directed by robert edgers okay yes okay let's let's take
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off the rub robert edgers glasses for a moment okay all right this is directed
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by jim smith right all right jimmy yeah we're just Smith, one, what director? Yep.
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Would you have the exact same feelings toward this movie?
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I was underwhelmed by this film. The way he designed Count Orlok,
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would you sit there and defend it like you kind of are now?
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I get it, but it doesn't 100% work for me, I must admit.
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You know, so I'm not sort of like here to fight with you and sort of defend it.
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I'm here to discuss it and try and sort of, you know, give a reason for it.
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You know, or try and understand it.
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I think it's effective in some ways
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but you know it's definitely very
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eagers and a very eagers interpretation of it
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and again that's not never going to be for everyone i
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do admire the fact that he doesn't sort of
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you know he follows his vision and this as i said is a passion project
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again i was really you know looking forward
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to this it was the film was looking forward to over the last year
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the most and i have to admit that i came away
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and i've seen it twice in the cinema and i
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have to admit it does look gorgeous on the screen but being honest
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i did both times feel a little
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underwhelmed that could that could be down to me expecting too
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much in my head i think there is some
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i like the grim tone and you know the guard
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especially the stuff in the castle you know with the the coaching
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oil appears and stuff like that i do love all that gothic stuff
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you know you know that gothic horror sort of aesthetic
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and stuff but overall including the
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the realization of warlock i i'd be completely
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honest and say that both times i saw this in the cinema i
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have been underwhelmed all right so now with that statement yes you can clearly
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understand that you being agris fan you being underwhelmed is pretty disappointing
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and for a non-agris fan you understand why they'd fucking hate this.
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Yes, I do. You understand that? Yes. Okay.
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I'm not here to argue for the sake of argument. Listen, don't try to let the
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listening audience know that I'm not here to argue.
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I'm just here, blah, blah. No, stop it. We're here to argue. Fuck off.
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And I'll tell you right now, you're blind as hell if you got anything from this film.
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Now, I'm classy. I'm a classy person.
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I'm classy. I've got some positives. Right? Agers will be clutching at the east.
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No, they're actually good. You mentioned one scene. Go ahead.
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It's a beautiful. He knows how to use a camera and where to place a camera.
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I think he uses the same DP for most of his stuff.
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The scene where after the stupid virgin thing, what the fuck happened there?
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He walks down this trail of trees, this tunnel of trees, I guess you can say.
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And then from the shadows, you see the horse and carriage coming.
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And it's done with no sound, but you see it coming out of the fog.
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And then as it gets louder and louder, and then it disappears, it's right at him.
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And there's a shot where the door opens and he's walking toward the door to
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obviously get into the carriage. Then we see from inside the carriage,
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he starts just floating into it. Yes.
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Rather than walking. That's the kind of stuff I enjoy. I enjoyed that.
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And it does have plenty of that going for it.
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I do like the sequences in the castle.
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I think Bill Skarsgård's performance, his actions, really cool.
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Really thickens it up. And it's very sinister.
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And it does sound like an old crepid man talking with a sinister tone to it.
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It's quite creepy. again, and kudos for what he had to work with.
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And I think Orlok works better in the shadows than he does when he's revealed. Yes.
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Yeah. Fair enough. I like the fact that they deal with the, well,
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it would be the Demeter, the ship that brought Dracula over,
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but they deal with what happened to that.
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They show you the guys getting it and the plague being brought onto the boat
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and it's being carried over. That's why he's bringing the Black Plague to this town.
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And so I do like that. They showed that, that journey.
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You know, I always like my, how do you get to see? Well, they showed you B. And so I like that.
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But what I'm giving it passes on is very far and few between.
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There are, and it can't be forgiven with the editing issues,
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especially even matching in the castle.
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The castle is probably the best sequence of events.
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Him trying to get back to her from the castle and him trying to get back to
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her and Orlok's travels to Germany is the best part of the film.
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It's where there's more tension because Thomas has got to get back there to
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warn them and he's getting back there on the ship.
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So it's one of those kind of chasing sequences, I guess you can say.
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And it does work, but the editing issues in this castle scene are horrific.
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I had no idea what we're at here and where we're going and who's doing what.
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And he had some wolves in there that were poorly CGI'd in there,
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just as throw-ins. They were real wolves.
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According to Ellis Holt, they were real wolves. Because I think one of their bitum or something.
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Mean you mean real wolves that's what i said
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that's exactly what i said you said werewolves i said
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real wolves you said werewolves listen
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back to it listen back no i am gonna listen back to
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it i used to be a werewolf but i'm all
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right no i can see it now hey nicholas sit in the corner don't worry about it
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we have some werewolves come at you oh okay well that would have been i would
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have put him past hegers he's that much attention to detail but anyway no i
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mean there a lot of editing issues here overall, I think.
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We should have got more. We'll get too much in other scenes,
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like a lot of the talking scenes, let's just say, where basically they're arguing as a couple and stuff.
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That's the whole film. I would have liked to have seen more of Defoe.
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That's another character I don't get. My favorite character was Dr. Severs.
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Dr. Severs was... I like Aaron Johnson.
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Actually, all the characters are decent. I like Nock, who went fucking batshit
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crazy, who's kind of like the Renfield.
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I do like some of his scenes. But again, he disappears. And then he shows up
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at the very end in Orlok's coffin. Yes.
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Yes. What? Oh, surprise. Yeah. Well, that's to do with Defoe's plan,
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where Defoe knows that the only way to kill Orlok is through Ellen,
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because she's pure of heart.
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So basically it's the foe's character has basically tricked them all and they
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find that out at the end because he knows he knows that the only way he's an
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alchemist and you know he's into the occult and stuff,
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and again it goes against the sort of you know the enlightened age of sort of you know,
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you're fancy from the office basically you know there's that sort of conflict there,
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but yeah I would have liked to have seen more of the foe and I would have liked
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to have seen him be a bit more unhinged actually.
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Well, that wouldn't make sense to me then. You already got one character who's
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done hands, which is Nock, and so you can't do that.
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But that's the problem I have with the Defoe character. He's miswritten,
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and this is not Defoe's problem.
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So you have the two best characters. They're all decent enough,
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like I said, but there's the professor, which is Defoe, and Seavers, which is Ralph.
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Yes. And those two are my favorite characters. I like watching them on screen.
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And so at the end he brings him to the coffin they open the coffin,
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it's a lie there's fucking Renfield and they stab him he dies,
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whatever, the end but here's,
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Defoe's plan was to lead them away from Ellen because he knows Ellen has to
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pretty much die because once Dracula or Orlok we'll call him 70's porn star.
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Sucks on her chest he, because she's so pure of heart,
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he's gonna die the sun comes up he dies is that
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was the point of defoe right yeah essentially he read it
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in the book as well don't forget and yes
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yes yes but basically um well you know it's all the stuff about when the cock
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crows because it's basically you know the addiction of nosferatu is ellen he's
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he's obsessed with her you know like a lot of the characters in here you know
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not not just obsessed with ellen you know obsessed with certain things but orlava
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is completely obsessed with Ellen.
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So he won't be able to resist her blood once he starts sucking it.
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Even though the sun's about to come up and the cock's about to crow.
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Not the only cock that was seeing
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this, by the way. Yeah, so what you're saying is he wanted to get it on.
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That was more important than the sun coming down on him. Yes,
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he couldn't resist, yeah, essentially.
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He wanted something else to go down on him. Yeah, well, yeah,
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with his big cock crowing.
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Anyway, yeah, but that again ties in with
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the 22 and 79 versions that's how he's defeated yeah but I and that's great
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but you mean I was underwhelmed like I say you know yeah it's just I'll never
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watch this again won't even think about it it's too bad,
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it's just out of all of Eager's films I
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would place number one The Lighthouse
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number two The Witch then this
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and then the north man well the
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north man's entertaining you know but it's a simple revenge story but so maybe
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tied in number third with this and the north man but definitely the lighthouse
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number one and the witch number two i i i would say and if i'm completely honest
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i don't think this remake of nosferatu was necessary.
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It wasn't. Yeah. It would have been this. I mean, it's not necessarily necessary.
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If you're going to do something, do it differently. Don't give us the same shit. And he did.
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Yeah. But he made it longer. Well, he made it very much. And here's the problem.
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In terms of tone. Here's the problem.
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And the tone thing, you use that whole goth, goth is boring,
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and it's just- I didn't say that. I didn't say goth is boring.
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No, no. You know what I'm saying?
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You have this family. Goth is supposed to be atmospheric. Yes,
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of course it has. And you're supposed to sit there and want to hang yourself
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because that's what it is. Yes, pretty much.
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Fuck that. That's boring. That's just like I'm going to do a goth movie because
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suckers like Trevor are going to go, oh, I get it because of the atmosphere.
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And he's just going to be a lazy bastard and put out a fucking handlebar mustache on Dracula.
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And you guys are going to go, oh, my God. Oh, God, I saw the cloud lining.
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So what would you prefer? Something like, we're going to do Chucky next.
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Would you prefer the tone of Chucky? You know, Bride of Chucky?
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No, I gave you two. I gave you the original Salem's Lot. The new Salem's Lot.
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It's far, a lot of times better than this.
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And I gave you Fright Nights. I gave you South Night Dracula.
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I gave you Coppola. I gave you Christopher Lee.
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I mean, I gave you plenty of, plenty of, but this, there's nothing here that pops. Yeah.
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You have to lure people in.
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And when you're having a movie, that's pretty much just a girl getting up and
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shaking her body all over the bed going, he wants my uterus, whatever the fuck.
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And then he's fucking sitting in a castle going, with his fucking fingers flicking.
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And it's like, where are we going here, people? I mean, to get to point A to
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point C, you got to give us a B.
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And he does that. but oh my god that bee is so fucking boring all it is is her
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screaming i want him but i'm in love with thomas but i want him i'm in love
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with thomas every fucking scene right you could have played the ellen character
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that would have been interesting that would have been good yeah.
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You know for sure yeah but no no i get what you're saying and i have my own
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issues with it But if you're going to do Gothi Carter and a remake of Nosferatu,
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there has to be that type of atmosphere.
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You know what I mean? You know, you could do that atmosphere by about 40 minutes less.
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Yeah. I do agree that it's too long. It's way too long. Yeah.
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There's actually a point where I looked and as we're getting to the finale, right? Yes.
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There's 25 minutes left. I'm like, Oh Jesus, there's 25 minutes left of this
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crap, but it's starting to pick up. Finally, it only took five days.
34:44
So, they're running to stab Orlok while Ellen's left alone. That made sense.
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Well, that's a trick Defoe does.
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So, why did they leave her alone? Because Defoe tricked them into basically,
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that's what I was saying earlier.
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Basically, Defoe is the guy who knows the only way he can be defeated is through Ellen.
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But why did all of the men leave Ellen alone?
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Why did one just stay? common sense because the foe convinces
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him to go out vampire hunting with him even the weak land so he
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does it don't forget there's a conversation as well you know whenever they
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drop the foe off at his house in the taxi where the foe walks ellen up to her
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door and he basically they basically agree the two of them agree this is a self-sacrifice
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from ellen i mean we like her talking about her story arcs on here the greatest
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arc here is ellen's where it's a self-sacrifice arc where she realises she must,
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with her and Defoe's chat, they agree that she must sacrifice herself.
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Now, obviously, Thomas, her husband, and Harding aren't going to allow that
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to happen if they knew it was going to happen.
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So they'd be waiting there with their steaks or their metal steaks or whatever,
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like the gypsies earlier.
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So that's why Defoe tricks them for the greater good. And Ellen's in on it, by the way.
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There you go. So when he's sucking on her chest. Yes. And he can't stop. Yes.
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Because her blood's pure. Yes. I love when you hear the rooster roosting. Yeah, well.
36:20
And he looks up, he's like, oh, fucking shit. See, that would be good.
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If he looked up and goes, oh, fuck, man. But it's a brilliant death scene.
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You know, with all the blood coming out the eyes and stuff. And,
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you know, you can see like the back of his throat. Yes, I would say it's a really startling imagery.
36:36
I was like We didn't even see any teeth We had no fangs in this film Because
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it's come back to the old folklore of vampires Oh, there we go Look,
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blame Eagers for his attention to historical detail Oh my god It's come back
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to the old sort of origins of the vampire myth Not the Hollywoodized origin Again,
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this is Eagers being an historical obsessive Don't say Hollywoodized,
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it's Stoker's Stoker has fangs Yes, I know, but
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it's become more popularized So it's not Hollywoodized it's more popularized
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alright well let's say the modern version of the vampire the modern fictional
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version of the vampire as opposed to the more historical legend of the vampire
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and the myths surrounding apparent real vampires that people would have actually
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believed back in these times.
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Give me Morpheus anytime. Morpheus, I want Morpheus I'll take Morpheus right
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now What about Leslie Nielsen?
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They had a love on it. Yeah, you know I'll take Leslie Nielsen dead and loving it no problem.
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No problem I take that in a heartbeat over this piece of crap I enjoyed a lot
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of it but there is I do have issues with it and I don't think it's the eager's best film yeah,
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he's off my radar now I'm done no until he until he gets away from his little goth and starts,
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you know expanding his horizons and giving us more something different apparently
37:58
he wants to make a western next,
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oh dear fucking god One of his favorite films is one of your favorite films, Tombstone.
38:07
Oh my God, he's going to destroy Tombstone. No, I don't know.
38:10
I said he would like to. I know he has expressed interest in making a Western.
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I just, I do something different, pal. Obviously, he's a talented man,
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but nah, not my cup of tea. He's off my radar. I don't care anymore.
38:23
So. There you go, Robert. That's it. Yeah.
38:27
They're going to be like, God damn it, I disappointed Kieran. I mean, fucking hell.
38:35
Why can't reviewers just be honest and start sucking the tit on the man?
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Pardon the pun because there's a lot of tit sucking, chest sucking here.
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Can people who review these films just be honest with themselves? You know what?
38:49
It's a copy and paste. There's really nothing new here and I'm shocked that he's done this.
38:54
Why can't people just be honest? The thing is, maybe they are.
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Because each to their own.
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Not everyone's going to agree with you. I don't think that's true.
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I don't think that's true.
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I think there's people who this is what they expect from Eggers so they're just going to go with it.
39:09
They're kind of blinded by what he's done in the past without really looking
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at the source material. He's looking, he's touching, and just not going,
39:16
you know, it's not there for me. Something's not right here.
39:20
Instead of just doing that, but no, they just got to suck on the teat and go, oh, give me more Eggers.
39:26
And that's not the way it should be done. The man needs to be punched in the gut.
39:30
Right? No, the balance. True fans. No, true fans need to be punched.
39:35
He needs to be punched in the gut.
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I'm not saying literally. I'm talking, you know what I mean.
39:39
Because he needs to be knocked down a peg and going, great, he got a fucking,
39:44
his biggest hit is this movie.
39:45
People are going to be sucking on it left and right. And he's like,
39:48
yeah, now he's going to do more of this shit.
39:50
He needs to be brought down a peg and the people who so-called fans need to
39:55
really go, you know what?
39:56
This wasn't your best work, pal. Do something different.
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Because he's just going to keep, this next one is going to be a disaster.
40:02
I guarantee you. So basically what you're saying is they need to be more like me.
40:08
In my view that I've given no no you're sucking on the teeth you're sucking
40:12
on the teeth pretty good no no I'm being honest I promise I'm not sucking on
40:17
the teeth I may have at one point a big you know bushy moustache you know,
40:23
but it ain't no teeth sucking from me.
40:29
I don't I'm not nervous to end this please,
40:33
No, guys, you know, tweets are on. It's the salt band doing good fun.
40:36
And if you like it, kudos. I'm glad you got something out of it.
40:39
Like I said at the beginning of the podcast, I'm glad it did well because I
40:42
want to see more horror films. I want to see Independent do well.
40:45
So if you assholes want to pay more money to see this shit, that's fine.
40:50
As long as it green-lits better movies, fine.
40:53
Go for it. But at the end of the day, I promise you, if you've seen this once and you go, oh my God,
40:59
this is brilliant, but you're sitting at home one night and you're watching
41:01
again on Video On Demand, which is out today I believe if you watch it on video
41:06
on demand and you're at home you're going to go maybe I,
41:09
kind of like what you said I was lost, I was all excited to go see Edgar's Nosferatu
41:13
but then once the dust settles,
41:16
and you watch this again I promise you, you'll understand what I was saying,
41:21
but it does look gorgeous on the screen but anyway,
41:25
that's all we got we're going to wrap this up and it's time to have some more
41:29
fun guys that's right, retrospective time and we're coming hard with the Chuckies.
41:35
I shouldn't have said it that way by the way. That's how I came out wrong.
41:40
It's Chuckies. It's Chuckies time. Child's Play Retrospective.
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We'll be talking Child's Play 1 and 2, Child's Play 3 and 4.
41:48
I think there's 5 and 6. Oh yeah. And then there's the reboot.
41:52
And then we'll talk a little bit about the TV show. Kind of like what we did
41:55
with Friday the 13th and The Nightmare on Elm Street. Yes.
41:58
There'll be a 2-in-1 special. So the first one will feature Child's Play 1 and 2 and that is up next,
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that's all I have for you guys if you want to reach out to us give us a shout
42:09
at citizenframe underscore podcast Instagram and of course Facebook,
42:14
the new website should be up next week we're just looking at it and seeing how
42:19
it's developing hopefully we'll have that up soon for you that's all I've got
42:23
can I just say one last thing before about sign off oh dear god it's just one
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word oh dear god providence,
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The phrase continually used in Nosferatu, Providence!
42:36
You know what word they should have used? What? Or at least the director?
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Music.