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Insidious Was Terrifying… Until It Wasn’t - Xenomania 86 · Xenomania

• 0:00
  Jon: This week on Xenomania, a family is rocked when their eldest
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  son inexplicably falls into a coma.
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  Doctors can't find a cause.
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  He's physically perfectly healthy.
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  With his condition stable, he is sent home, where weird things start to happen.
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  Eventually, mom determines the house is haunted, and they move.
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  But it isn't the house.
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  A team of paranormal experts arrives in an attempt to save young Dalton
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  from the Further before it's too late.
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  This is Insidious.
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  This is Xenomania
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  Kearns: I don't know if you guys saw it, but in 1991 there was
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  a movie called The Haunted, and it's got, uh, James Caan in it.
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  Is that his name?
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  No, Jeffrey Damon.
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  Jeffrey Damon.
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  Jon: Jeffrey DeMunn
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  Kearns: in, like, every Stephen King adaptation.
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  he's the dad in it,
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  Ryan: he is
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  Kearns: and it's, it's wild.
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  It's not, like, a very particularly exciting or terrifying movie,
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  but it's just really well done.
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  that's the one where the ghosts, like, travel with the family.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: they, they try to move.
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  Yeah, you know Jeffrey Damon.
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  Damont.
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  Damon.
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  Jon: Yeah, you know Jeffrey DeMun.
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  DeMun,
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  Kearns: I mean
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  Ryan: It's one of those, like, you hear the name, you
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  kinda like, "I know the name."
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  Can't
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Christmas Evil
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  What were your, um, what were your silly… Oh, Christmas Evil.
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  What were your, like, kind of haunted movies from back then?
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  I'm talking, like, '85.
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  Well, Ryan wasn't born yet, but, um, like, early '90s.
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  Ryan: the '90s.
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  Kearns: Early '90s.
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  Ryan: with
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  Kearns: But not, like, great big CGI, know, things.
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  This was a movie that had barely any of that
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: It was all cabinet doors
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  Jon: There was,
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  Kearns: stuff
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  Jon: there is a movie from, I wanna say 1980-ish with, um,
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  George C. Scott called Changeling.
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  I love that one.
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  Kearns: okay
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  Ryan: that's a good one.
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  Jon: And then, you know, Poltergeist, Amityville
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  Kearns: more popular than The Haunted.
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  Yeah.
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  Do it with,
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  Jon: The, those are… Yeah, the, the haunted house, haunted
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  person thing wasn't my favorite.
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  Still isn't one of my favorites, but when it's done well, I like it a lot
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  Kearns: I think you'll like… I mean, you probably saw The Haunted.
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  I mean, I think
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  Jon: I'm sure I did
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  Kearns: ran on, like, the Discovery Channel or something
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  Ryan: Haven't seen it.
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  Was it a TV movie?
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  An
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  Kearns: It's a TV movie for sure.
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  Ryan: I could probably find it on
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  Kearns: ran… There was an essay from the ghost.
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  She essays Jeffrey Dahmer, and that's kind of why it got a little bit of an uproar
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  Jon: Hmm.
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  Kearns: the ghost comes downstairs and it's like a young damsel and he's like,
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  "Who are you?" And then she just throws him on the ground and has her way with him
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  Ryan: See, there's a haunted movie from my past that I think of where this
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  woman is, like, an invisible force grabs her, which I'm presuming it's a spirit,
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  and, like, drags her down the steps.
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  But I don't know what movie it was.
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  I was such, like a kid, it creeped me out to the point where I
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  didn't go up the steps for a week.
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  I think it was a TV made movie as well.
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  It
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  Kearns: That's, that's The Haunted.
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  Ryan: of the afternoon.
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  Kearns: Yeah, that's The Haunted
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  Ryan: So I've seen a little bit of it.
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  Yeah,
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  Kearns: It does a good job.
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  It builds, the dread pretty well.
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  It takes its time, and it ends on, like, a really dire note.
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  It's a good movie
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  Ryan: See, I changed the channel 'cause I was like, "Oh, hell no. I gotta put
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  some Batman on." I mean, I was like
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  Kearns: That's a good segue though.
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  Ryan: when it was
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  Kearns: Good segue into our episode tonight, which is
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  on Insidious, the original
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  Ryan: The first,
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  Jon: of now to be six.
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  Now to be six
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  Kearns: Why?
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  Jon: I think that comes out this, I think it comes out the day
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  after we release this episode.
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  Or maybe two weeks.
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  It's, but we're right around the release of
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  Kearns: I
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  Jon: Insidious 6.
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  I mean,
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  I wa- I watched,
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  Kearns: in the box so they
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  Jon: I watched, I watched The Last Key, the fourth one, today.
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  I haven't even watched the fifth one, and this is the first time
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  I'd ever watched The Last Key, and
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  Ryan: the red door
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  Jon: yeah.
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  And I gotta tell you, The Last Key
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  Ryan: And that's what kind of ties it back in, right?
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  Jon: I guess so.
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  I don't, I mean, like, I don't know how much you can really tie… No, because The
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  Red Door is back to the original family storyline, and, Dalton's grown up now.
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  Dalton's, like, in college or something, and Josh is still walking
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  around a free man after a murder
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Oh my God
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  Ryan: they clear it up in the second one.
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  I mean, I feel like this is a movie where, I mean, the second one a good job, but you
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  Jon: Do they clear it up?
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  Ryan: the second one.
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  Jon: Do they clear it up?
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  'Cause I re- I was,
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  Ryan: It was
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  Jon: I had to read 'cause I g- I wasn't gonna watch S- an,
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  uh, uh, Insidious II again.
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  But do they clear it up?
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  'Cause really it, it comes down to, "Oh, there's no forensic
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  evidence. The fingerprints don't match, therefore Josh couldn't
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  have, couldn't have done Elise in."
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  Ryan: He was possessed.
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  S- y- you know, the, if the glove didn't fit, you must
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  Kearns: It's like the, uh, obsession argument.
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  Nikki's in jail.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: worst part about Nikki coming back to her body is
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  she gets to do life in prison
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  Ryan: According to some, I think Curry Baker, I think I was mentioning it,
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  he released some promotional stuff.
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  She's in a mental institute at least.
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  So I mean, it's not the worst, but
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  Jon: She's not gonna stay there.
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  They're gonna give… Th- and that, do you know how rarely that
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  actually works as a criminal defense?
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  Kearns: Sanity?
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  Yeah, it's tough.
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  You have to get psycholog- um, numerous
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  Jon: Okay
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  Kearns: to agree that you are
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  They, they'll,
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  Ryan: It's the happiest ending
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  Jon: they'll, they'll stick her in an institution and get her
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  medicated and stabilized, and then they'll put her on trial.
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  That's what they do.
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  she's still going to jail
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  Kearns: Going to jail.
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  Nikki's going to jail
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  Ryan: There goes the happy ending then.
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  Jon: I mean
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  Kearns: gonna, we're gonna jump over that because the actress is
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  getting a lot of attention lately.
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  Um, so Insidious.
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  Yeah, he got it.
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  He finally got it.
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  Insidious.
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  I feel like this movie-- First of all, the best part of this movie is the
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  opening credit with the title screen,
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  Ryan: Oh, yeah
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  Kearns: and I remember everybody laughed in the theater when it came up,
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  and I was like, "Oh, no, that's cool.
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  That's cool.
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  S-
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: guys need to get cultured." uh, the first 35
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  minutes of this movie are great
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  Are you…
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  Jon: They're good.
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  Kearns: Okay.
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  Jon: They're good.
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  They're good, eh?
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  Ryan: with you.
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  Kearns: the, like the scaries
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  Ryan: Yep
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  Kearns: and the hou- there's something wrong with the house, and then that kid,
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  and the stupid music, and all that stuff.
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  That was all, like, very…
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  Ryan: top
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  Kearns: And it was also something we hadn't seen in a horror film
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  for quite some time, horror film.
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  So it was kind of refreshing back then to be like, "Ooh, ooh, ooh."
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  And it gets a little wonky from there
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  I mean, it, it pretty quickly fall, for me at least, falls into
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  that conjuring sort of playbook
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  Kearns: Is The Conjuring before Insidious or after?
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  Jon: I think the first Conjuring was before
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  Kearns: Oh.
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  Ryan: I
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  Kearns: I thought it was after
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  Ryan: uh, Conjuring's after.
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  Conjuring came out in 2013
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  Kearns: I got so confused by it, uh, because the main actor, the
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  dad obviously… What is his name?
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  Jon: Josh
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  Ryan: Wilson.
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  Jon: Olson
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  Kearns: He, he annoys me.
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  Ryan: Uh, 2013.
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  Kearns: Wilson and yeah, he, he was a g- he was awful in, um… Oh my God, I can't
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  remember any of the names of these movies.
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  Ryan: Aquaman?
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  Kearns: First of all, I'm sure he was.
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  I didn't see him in Aquaman though.
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  He was awful in, uh, the Watchers.
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  Ryan: Master
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  Kearns: Is that what it's called?
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  Watchmen, Watchmen.
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  Ryan: Watchers?
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  Kearns: Yeah, he plays the owl guy
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  Ryan: Ni- uh, we got Nite
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  Kearns: Yeah, he's, he's…
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  Ryan: He wasn't that bad.
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  He did a good
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  Kearns: He was terrible.
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  He was terrible.
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  He's been lukewarm.
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  He's, he's literally like a bath that's too cold.
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  Every time I see him in a movie, that's what the experience is like.
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  It's like, "Ah, man, this could've been good." But he's… Yeah.
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  In this, I mean, in Insidious, he does a decent job.
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  In The Conjuring movies, he annoys the hell out of me
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Ryan: I know that's what you want though for the tone of this movie is that
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  distancing though the movie progresses
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  Kearns: I feel like John has a,
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  Ryan: develops
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  Kearns: has thoughts too.
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  Jon: No, you guys keep going because I'm gonna trash, I'm gonna
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  trash this movie eventually, but
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  You guy-
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  Kearns: We're trying to
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  Jon: you guys keep going.
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  Keep going.
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  Kearns: resisting pretty well
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  Jon: Mm-hmm, and 'cause once I get started I'm not gonna stop.
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  This is go- I- so this was the third or fourth time I've
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  s- I've watched Insidious.
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  I was late watching it because of the hype 'cause I, I kinda, I had seen
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  trailers, I had seen the PG-13 rating.
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  I was very, very lukewarm on the concept of Insidious in the
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  first place, and finally Allison talked me into watching it.
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  I thought it was good.
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  The first time I watched it, it was very effective.
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  Kearns: Things
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  Jon: Second time,
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  Kearns: right?
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  Jon: second time very effective.
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  Th- this time I didn't… This, it missed me so hard this time, and even,
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  even Allison, who loved it the first couple times we watched it, she sat in
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  for, like, the last 45 minutes, finished up, and she looked at me and she said,
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  "I forgot how dumb this movie is"
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Well, once they reveal the demon, it gets to
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: kind of hokey.
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  He's like a Zulu warrior, and he's,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: just
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  Ryan: it
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  Kearns: looks ridiculous.
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  Looks ridic- whatever they were going for with him is bizarre.
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  I don't know if he's supposed to be like, know, from Babylon or something.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: what… He's insane.
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  His first reveal is cool, and then, and
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Kearns: see him, the less cool he is.
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Ryan: With, with the sharp nails, Freddy Krueger-like
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  Kearns: The ultra white teeth
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  Ryan: uh.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Like,
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  Ryan: he creeped me out
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  Jon: where he, the most effective he is in the, the movie is the one scene
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  that everybody has seen, you know, where he just appears behind Josh.
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  Kearns: Yeah
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  Jon: Like, that, that's the best he looks in the whole movie, and it, it's
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  funny because I, I'd not noticed it before, but one of the scenes of Josh
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  in the school grading papers, there's a face drawn on the whiteboard behind
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  him, and it's that face just in, you know, whatever marker color and the board
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  Ryan: I thought it was, uh, Jigsaw.
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  Jon: I think it's him.
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  I mean, it,
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  Ryan: Oh, I
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  Jon: I, I mean, maybe it's supposed to be Jigsaw, but whatever it's supposed to be.
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  I mean, that's, whatever Easter egg nod that is, is all right.
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  But then, like, even, even Josh working becomes very hard to believe
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  Hey, c- how, how many teachers do you know work until 10:30 grading papers
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  Kearns: That was
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  Jon: at school?
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  Kearns: least
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  Jon: school
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  Kearns: for me as well
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  Ryan: That's an excuse.
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  Kearns: trying to stay away from the house.
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  Yeah, another bad dad
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah, he's…
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  Ryan: He even-
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  Jon: Josh is not a good dad for all but, like, 20 minutes of the movie when he's
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  in the Further trying to rescue Dalton.
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  He's a bad dad
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  Ryan: What about the beginning?
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  He's pretty good to help them with, like, the breakfast, make sure they're good.
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  Jon: I mean, like,
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  Kearns: He's not a scumbag, but he's a bad
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  Jon: yeah, but that, that's like bare minimum dad too.
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  Like, I made sure you had food.
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  I didn't l- I didn't,
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  Ryan: a
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  Jon: I didn't let you go to school hungry.
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  Like, congratulations dad.
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  Congratulations.
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  Uh, but like he d- he doesn't believe anybody.
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  He's so, so dismissive of Renee every time she brings something up.
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  He finally agrees to move for her
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  Kearns: That's very tropey for the, the new mother thing, the new mother
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: thing that, uh, men do, and I will stand up for the ladies on this one.
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  When is, like, a thing, and it's very clear Josh is not good at, helping her
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  through it or handling anything, like, that's going on with the haunting thing.
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  And but it seems to me like it could be a giant metaphor for
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  that part of the whole raising a family, that little section of it
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  And he's just running away because he doesn't wanna deal with her?
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Yeah
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  Ryan: Yeah, I can see
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  Kearns: I mean, it's, it's a hard sell on YouTube because you haven't
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  seen it, but I, I've lived through it partially, um, I see where, like, other
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  people do this similar thing that Josh does, it's like not addressing your
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  problems, thinking your wife's crazy,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: that stuff.
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  I'm kinda going left here.
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  How about astral projection, guys?
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  Jon: Yeah, I, I don't, I'm not even really sure that's the right phrase.
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  Is it?
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  Is that r- is he really astral projecting?
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  Sort of?
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  Is… I mean, the first w-
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  Kearns: yeah, force consciousness out
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  Jon: But like, the first part of this definition is an
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  intentional out-of-body experience.
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  Dalton's not doing it intentionally, I don't think.
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  He's just falling asleep and, and projecting.
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  I think, I think they, they seem to like, through the whole franchise, they
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  seem to sort of drop the intentional part of it, and it's just like, "Ah,
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  it's, I see dead things and I, I
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  Kearns: you got a point
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  Jon: travel through astral planes."
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  Uh, you know,
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: I guess there's not really…
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  Kearns: you're right.
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  Jon: I mean, I guess there's not really anything else to call it.
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  Like, what else would it be?
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  Ryan: I mean, I mean, it can happen accidentally.
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  It's been, I, uh, remember from some movies that where there's
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  accidental astral projection or even in like X-Men comics where the
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  mutant can project themselves and it's like they learn the powers.
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  It's an accident, and it's on purpose.
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  I mean, not knowing you're doing it in a dream state, I can, can believe it.
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  Jon: Well, I, can get behind it if we wanna call it real- like true astral
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  projection, fine, but by every definition I've found, it's intentional, and
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  nobody in this movie until Josh at the end is intentionally astral projecting
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  Ryan: But is it intentional at the end?
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  'Cause he does have to go under a little hypnosis
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  But he's, he's purposely trying, he's purposely trying to do it.
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  He's not doing it necessarily freely, but he's trying to do it at that
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  point because, uh, you know, it-
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  Ryan: Fair enough.
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  Jon: But it, you know, it, I think that, that's just a small
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  quibble with this movie, I think.
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  If you wanna call it astral projection, fine
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  Kearns: Yeah, I was gonna say that's really not, as far as
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  the gripes list goes, that's not
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: it.
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  In fact, the
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: hyped.
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  Was it just a great marketing campaign?
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  Jon: I, it must have been.
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  I don't, I can't fully remember what the marketing campaign is or was.
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  I, you know, but it got so much, like, mainstream hype too.
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  It, this wasn't just, like, horror nerds going wild for Insidious.
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  This was, like, mainstream people.
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  This was people telling me, "Oh, you have to see Insidious,"
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  who I know don't watch horror
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  I'm telling you, it was so long since… The, the period of time between when we
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  got a decent horror release before this,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: a Saw movie or something like that.
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  This was the f- it felt like the first horror movie that came out in forever
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  when it, when it hit, for me anyway
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: I feel like it was everywhere.
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  In 2010, it was just everywhere, and I… I mean, when it came out on DVD,
• 17:47
  'cause I don't think… It didn't take that long to be released on DVD for
• 17:51
  some reason, 'cause of the popularity, and I yanked it and I was, like, so
• 17:55
  happy to watch it because, I mean, it was still hyped after a few months,
• 17:59
  and I get to understand, like, what the hype is and what James Wan was doing.
• 18:04
  I mean, he's going from the Hulk, and then he's doing Insidious, this darker horror
• 18:09
  film, and you can see more of his chops in
• 18:11
  Jon: Well, he, I mean, he,
• 18:13
  Ryan: opened the
• 18:13
  Jon: he did have some horror in between too.
• 18:16
  Like he did, um, Dead Silence.
• 18:20
  Ryan: Dead Silence was
• 18:21
  Jon: Yeah, Dead Silence was like '07.
• 18:25
  So like he, he had sort of entered that realm, you know, and, and Saw too.
• 18:31
  Like Saw was him, so like he'd done horror.
• 18:35
  but I think, it was just sort of… I think it's probably the accessibility
• 18:41
  because Insidious is pretty accessible.
• 18:45
  You can watch this with, you know, relatively young family members.
• 18:49
  You can watch this with, you know, y- your parents and nothing
• 18:53
  terrible, so terrible is gonna happen that it's gonna be uncomfortable.
• 18:57
  You know, if you watch it with kids who are too young, they're probably
• 19:00
  gonna be a little scared for a bit, but
• 19:03
  Kearns: Yeah, probably.
• 19:05
  Jon: It's a he
• 19:07
  Ryan: I was scared.
• 19:08
  I
• 19:09
  Jon: I see, I, I
• 19:11
  Ryan: A
• 19:11
  Jon: remem- I remember that it sort of, it sort of did what Blair Witch
• 19:17
  did in the buildup when I first saw it
• 19:23
  It had that, it had that Blair Witch thing
• 19:28
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 19:29
  you're
• 19:30
  Jon: you know, they, they, they build, they build so, and they,
• 19:33
  they build some good tension in spots, but it, I don't know.
• 19:38
  That whole, that whole last half hour really doesn't connect
• 19:42
  Ryan: about it See, I feel like it does though, it, like, it sets it up nicely
• 19:47
  where you understand why Josh is having such a hard time, and then when Elise is
• 19:54
  introduced, it connects that whole thing.
• 19:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 19:57
  Yeah, no, I, I
• 19:58
  Ryan: we get to the opening, we just see the kid, and we just see, you know
• 20:02
  Jon: Yeah.
• 20:03
  Kearns: opinion, I feel like Elise is the death knell of this movie
• 20:09
  I, I, every time she's involved in the movie, it gets worse
• 20:12
  Jon: I mean, I mean
• 20:15
  Ryan: Is it the gas mask?
• 20:16
  Kearns: Just everything about her character.
• 20:18
  Jon: gas mask is like,
• 20:20
  Kearns: fake ugly
• 20:20
  Jon: I feel like they're just like pumping stuff into that gas mask while she's
• 20:25
  in there, and she's tripping and like
• 20:28
  Kearns: Art
• 20:29
  Jon: talking to, talking to imaginary…
• 20:32
  Ryan: Tucker's farts
• 20:33
  Jon: Yeah, Specs' farts
• 20:36
  Kearns: She's…
• 20:41
  Oh my God
• 20:42
  Ryan: f- that's like the best part of that scene is I feel like Josh,
• 20:46
  um, Patrick Wilson is just like, "What the hell is going on?" And he's
• 20:50
  like trying to believe and support his wife, uh, Rose Byrne's Renee.
• 20:55
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 20:56
  Ryan: is very into it and like, "What the hell's going on?" But to know whether
• 21:02
  Elise is selling, um, snake oil, you know, in which Josh believes that's what she's
• 21:09
  doing in the beginning until it's revealed that there are real happenings happening,
• 21:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 21:14
  Ryan: know.
• 21:15
  That was a nice little turn too as well
• 21:17
  Jon: Well, when Elise shows up, I, like, I don't doubt that she's legit.
• 21:24
  Like, I- she's a leg- she, I mean, she leg- shows up pretty legit.
• 21:29
  I like… But it doesn't, it doesn't work.
• 21:32
  I, no, but, like, it- it's the way they introduce her before she shows up.
• 21:38
  It's Josh's mom saying,
• 21:40
  Ryan: Fair
• 21:40
  Jon: and Josh's mom saying, "I've worked, I- I've, I know this person.
• 21:44
  I know," like, "She helped, she helped me." You know, that kind of thing.
• 21:48
  But, you know, it, she, she's not an original character,
• 21:53
  and I think that's kind of the thing that people lose in this.
• 21:56
  That's not, like, a unique, original character.
• 22:01
  That is 100% Zelda Rubenstein from Poltergeist.
• 22:05
  Kearns: Yes.
• 22:07
  Only she's not a, like a midget, and
• 22:09
  Jon: Yeah,
• 22:09
  Kearns: fun.
• 22:10
  Jon: that, that t- that team, that team is Poltergeist.
• 22:17
  Like, Specs and Tucker are Zelda Rubenstein's partners in, in Poltergeist.
• 22:23
  Like, and it, it,
• 22:25
  Ryan: If you look at it like that,
• 22:26
  Jon: it t- it, I think that's part, you know, we'll get to how we all feel about
• 22:31
  this much later, but I think that's part of what hurt this viewing experience
• 22:37
  for me, is really this time connecting with, it, it with Poltergeist in that
• 22:44
  way, and being not, it doesn't measure up
• 22:47
  Kearns: Yeah
• 22:50
  Ryan: But does the remake measure up?
• 22:54
  Jon: The remake of Poltergeist?
• 22:57
  Ryan: Yes
• 22:59
  Jon: Measure up to what?
• 23:00
  Insidious or Poltergeist?
• 23:02
  Ryan: to, to poltergeist.
• 23:03
  'Cause you're
• 23:04
  Jon: hell
• 23:05
  Kearns: are you asking,
• 23:05
  Jon: n- hell no.
• 23:06
  That,
• 23:07
  Kearns: are
• 23:07
  Jon: that, that remake i- that's a bottom of the barrel remake.
• 23:11
  Like,
• 23:12
  Ryan: So the reason,
• 23:13
  Jon: I, it, and that one won't even, that one, that opinion
• 23:16
  won't even get me in trouble like my Dawn of the Dead opinion does
• 23:20
  Ryan: The reason why I bring it up is you can at least admit that
• 23:23
  Insidious did a better job remaking Poltergeist in its own vision compared
• 23:28
  to the actual remake of Poltergeist.
• 23:30
  That's where I was heading with
• 23:31
  Jon: Okay, I mean, sure.
• 23:34
  Sure, but what, what's the bar there?
• 23:37
  We c- we got, we're better than w- uh, a, an awful remake
• 23:42
  Kearns: Can you imagine we, we get to a point, we're elderly, we're in,
• 23:45
  like, the nursing home, and they're like, "All right. All right, fellas,
• 23:47
  we're gonna go on a little field trip to the movies today. They made a remake
• 23:51
  of Insidious," and we all choose to simultaneously die, like, right in
• 23:55
  that moment, 'cause that's… Well, I mean, what are they gonna remake?
• 23:58
  What are the movies that are like Poltergeist that are coming
• 24:00
  out d- over the last 20 years?
• 24:02
  None
• 24:03
  Jon: I mean, they may not even be remaking Insidious.
• 24:06
  They might just still be making Insidious movies
• 24:10
  Kearns: All right, before we get into the fact that we hate that they just keep
• 24:13
  making these movies, let's play a game
• 24:16
  Jon: Let's, play a game.
• 24:17
  I have a new game for us tonight.
• 24:20
  I ca- I, I, I thought about this one.
• 24:22
  I couldn't figure out what I wanted the game for tonight to
• 24:25
  be, so I invented a new one.
• 24:28
  And this, this game has a name, and I'm going to call it Shay or Nay
• 24:37
  I'm gonna show you guys movies, and you're gonna tell me is Lynn Shay in this
• 24:41
  movie or is Lynn Shay not in this movie?
• 24:44
  So Shay or nay
• 24:49
  Ryan: Okay.
• 24:49
  Jon: Okay.
• 24:50
  Do we got it?
• 24:51
  Kearns: Day
• 24:53
  Jon: Is Lin, is Lin Shay in Nightmare on Elm Street?
• 25:00
  Turns you said nay?
• 25:01
  Kearns: wrong answer.
• 25:01
  Uh, Shay.
• 25:03
  Ryan: Uh, what?
• 25:04
  Kearns: no, Ryan said Nay
• 25:07
  Ryan: What?
• 25:07
  No, she is the teacher in this film.
• 25:09
  Kearns: said before
• 25:13
  Ryan: Give it to him.
• 25:13
  Give it to him, Josh.
• 25:15
  Jon: I, I mean, I'll give it to him.
• 25:16
  Ryan: out
• 25:17
  Jon: I d- I don't, I don't, I don't mind.
• 25:19
  I don't mind.
• 25:19
  So yes
• 25:20
  Kearns: give it to me.
• 25:21
  That is a full on lie.
• 25:22
  I said nay.
• 25:23
  I said nay.
• 25:24
  I, I do not
• 25:25
  Jon: Lynn, Lynn Shay is in Nightmare on Elm Street.
• 25:33
  All right.
• 25:34
  Movie number two.
• 25:35
  Ryan: is again the
• 25:36
  Jon: or nay?
• 25:38
  Liar, Liar
• 25:39
  Kearns: tonight, I told you
• 25:42
  Ryan: They did like
• 25:44
  Kearns: Shay.
• 25:45
  She's the secretary
• 25:49
  Jon: Ryan
• 25:51
  Ryan: Shit
• 25:54
  Jon: W- was that a sh- was that a Shea Ryan?
• 25:57
  Ryan: Yeah, she is.
• 25:58
  She's a shay, shay.
• 26:00
  That is a shay.
• 26:01
  Jon: It's an A.
• 26:02
  Ryan: The pen is blue.
• 26:03
  Jon: It's an A.
• 26:04
  Kearns: her?
• 26:04
  Who's the old
• 26:05
  Jon: It's an A.
• 26:06
  Ryan: How the…
• 26:07
  Jon: It's an A
• 26:08
  Ryan: You convinced me on
• 26:09
  Kearns: I know.
• 26:09
  I'm bringing you down with me, buddy
• 26:11
  Ryan: is,
• 26:12
  Jon: I think
• 26:12
  Ryan: pen is blue.
• 26:13
  Jon: good.
• 26:14
  It, it, we'll cir- we'll circle back to Jim.
• 26:18
  All right.
• 26:20
  Movie number three, The Toy.
• 26:25
  Cher or nay?
• 26:26
  Kearns: I have no idea if she's in it or not.
• 26:29
  No idea if she's in it or not.
• 26:31
  Uh, I'm gonna go with Shay because why wouldn't she be?
• 26:36
  Jon: This is an A.
• 26:39
  Kearns: Ah.
• 26:39
  Jon: is not in the toy.
• 26:42
  Kearns: it's
• 26:42
  Jon: Yay
• 26:43
  Kearns: harder to get a zero, but I'm gonna try it tonight.
• 26:48
  Jon: Listen, this game, this game kinda roughed Allison up the other
• 26:51
  night too, so this is a tough one
• 26:54
  Kearns: I don't even know what she looks like
• 26:58
  Jon: She's kind of always looked like what she looked like in
• 27:01
  S- in Insidious, just younger.
• 27:04
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 27:05
  Jon: Um, all right
• 27:06
  Ryan: It's like, um, what's Jessica Lange?
• 27:09
  Jon: Yeah, kind of.
• 27:10
  Kearns: example
• 27:11
  Jon: Kind of, yeah.
• 27:12
  All right, next movie.
• 27:15
  The Critters
• 27:18
  Ryan: Shay
• 27:18
  Kearns: Nay
• 27:20
  Jon: Oh,
• 27:21
  Ryan: What you,
• 27:21
  Jon: Kearns, we just watched this.
• 27:24
  Ryan: watched
• 27:25
  Kearns: for zero now.
• 27:26
  Jon: This is a shame
• 27:27
  Kearns: be perfect one way or another
• 27:30
  Ryan: She plays Sally
• 27:32
  Jon: This is a Shay.
• 27:36
  Kearns: Turning this
• 27:36
  Jon: All right.
• 27:37
  Number five, Rooster's Millions
• 27:42
  Kearns: Well, you already tricked us with a prior earlier
• 27:48
  That's a Shay
• 27:50
  Jon: That
• 27:51
  Ryan: There's a shay
• 27:52
  Jon: is a shay.
• 27:54
  Kearns: I thought Ryan was wrong.
• 27:55
  Damn it
• 27:58
  Jon: Sorry, no perfection tonight.
• 28:00
  Now you have to mount the comeback
• 28:02
  Kearns: Yeah, there's no shot.
• 28:04
  The
• 28:04
  Jon: The Running Man, Shea Ornay
• 28:07
  Kearns: she in, like, a leotard in this?
• 28:10
  Ryan: Sadly not.
• 28:11
  Kearns: Sadly, uh
• 28:14
  Ryan: Shay
• 28:17
  Kearns: Um, I always look at the bottom, see if I can cheat.
• 28:20
  Richard Bachman.
• 28:22
  No, that's not her.
• 28:24
  Ah,
• 28:24
  Jon: But yeah, Fat Cotto.
• 28:27
  It is a shit
• 28:30
  Ryan: small part
• 28:31
  Jon: You do.
• 28:31
  Most of these are pretty small parts, guys
• 28:34
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 28:34
  She wasn't, you know what I learned is she's not, she's an underappreciated
• 28:39
  actress who's done so much for movies, and I feel like she hasn't really gotten
• 28:44
  her big star except for like Insidious and I feel like Alone in the Dark
• 28:50
  Jon: Yeah.
• 28:50
  Ryan: from the early '80s.
• 28:52
  I think
• 28:52
  Jon: Yeah
• 28:53
  Ryan: queen for that one.
• 28:54
  So I mean
• 28:55
  Jon: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Alone in the Dark is okay.
• 28:59
  All right, next.
• 29:02
  Sharene Cujo
• 29:04
  Ryan: Nay
• 29:06
  Jon: What did you say, Kurtz?
• 29:07
  Kearns: said nay
• 29:08
  Jon: Nay.
• 29:09
  This is a nay.
• 29:11
  This is a nay
• 29:13
  Ryan: 4K edition later this year from Arrow.
• 29:17
  Kearns: Ooh.
• 29:17
  Ryan: You can eat the,
• 29:19
  Kearns: I can't get through
• 29:19
  Jon: I mean…
• 29:20
  Ryan: will
• 29:20
  Kearns: anymore.
• 29:21
  I tried to
• 29:21
  Jon: I don't think I can do this anymore
• 29:23
  Kearns: just doesn't do it for me these days
• 29:25
  Jon: I don't, I don't think I could get through this again
• 29:32
  All right.
• 29:33
  Next, True Lies
• 29:36
  Kearns: She be in this?
• 29:38
  Ryan: Nay.
• 29:38
  Kearns: it Tom Arnold's wife or something?
• 29:45
  I'm gonna go with Ney as well.
• 29:46
  I can't even imagine who she is in this
• 29:48
  Jon: It's an A. You know what I
• 29:50
  Ryan: thought you were gonna She's the Man.
• 29:52
  I was gonna be like, "What part?" Seen
• 29:54
  Jon: Y-
• 29:54
  Ryan: movie
• 29:55
  Jon: know what I stumbled on when I was looking for this picture?
• 30:00
  There was a CBS TV series in 2023.
• 30:06
  Yeah.
• 30:07
  Kearns: Huh
• 30:08
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:09
  Uh, I mean, it appears to be.
• 30:11
  I didn't go super digging, but the, the promo photos are
• 30:16
  all very Arnold and Jamie Lee
• 30:22
  Kearns: Cool
• 30:22
  Ryan: like
• 30:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 30:23
  Ryan: when they redid Lethal Weapon,
• 30:25
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:25
  It, yeah,
• 30:26
  Ryan: work.
• 30:27
  Jon: it, it
• 30:28
  Ryan: work.
• 30:28
  Jon: w-,
• 30:28
  Ryan: had
• 30:28
  Jon: yeah
• 30:32
  Ryan: I, when they replaced Ricks
• 30:35
  Jon: I, I watched a lot more of that than I care to admit, but yeah, it wasn't great
• 30:43
  Ryan: Eh, Okay, homage.
• 30:46
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Okay might be stretching it too at the end of the day
• 30:50
  Ryan: I'm, I'm being kind, yes.
• 30:53
  Jon: I'm not being kind to things tonight, clearly.
• 30:56
  Um, all right, next.
• 30:59
  Sharon A., Halloween 3
• 31:01
  Kearns: one.
• 31:02
  Uh, Sinéad.
• 31:04
  Jon: Nay.
• 31:06
  We're not, we're not taking the T and the F
• 31:08
  Ryan: Shay?
• 31:10
  Jon: So Ryan is sharing this one.
• 31:12
  Kearns
• 31:12
  Ryan: I'll go with Shay.
• 31:13
  The Shayt
• 31:14
  Kearns: with nay for all the marbles
• 31:16
  Jon: This, this is an A. There is no Lin Shaye in Halloween III
• 31:24
  Believe this is the last one right here
• 31:27
  Ryan: fine with that.
• 31:28
  Fine with that.
• 31:29
  Jon: All right, next movie.
• 31:31
  Kearns: hope of catching him.
• 31:32
  Jon: Stay or nay?
• 31:35
  Dumb and Dumber
• 31:41
  Ryan: Shay.
• 31:43
  Shay
• 31:46
  Kearns: Who is she in it, Ryan?
• 31:49
  Ryan: Sh- uh, Mrs., uh,
• 31:50
  Jon: She's the lady with the pen
• 31:52
  Ryan: Mrs. Mulligan's her name.
• 31:54
  Yes
• 31:55
  Kearns: In Dumb and Dumber?
• 31:57
  Ryan: Yes.
• 31:58
  Kearns: Is it Mulligan?
• 31:59
  Oh yeah, it's right, the… That's right, dude.
• 32:04
  Uh, and Shay
• 32:06
  Jon: The days of the Shay.
• 32:08
  Ryan bounces back from his previous, his previous loss in our pinpoint
• 32:15
  game and takes this one eight-six.
• 32:19
  Good job, Ryan
• 32:20
  Kearns: nice.
• 32:21
  I came back, I came back within two?
• 32:23
  That's
• 32:24
  Jon: Yeah, you got within two.
• 32:26
  You got within two on that one
• 32:30
  Kearns: Wild.
• 32:32
  And they were all guesses.
• 32:33
  Ryan: last
• 32:34
  Kearns: All guesses.
• 32:36
  Oh
• 32:36
  Ryan: Doing all the work last week and then you guess right
• 32:38
  on the Amityville or close to it
• 32:43
  I actually came up in my, uh, search engine today was Amityville toilet.
• 32:48
  I
• 32:48
  Jon: B-
• 32:48
  Ryan: like, "Huh.
• 32:49
  Jon: Yep.
• 32:50
  Kearns: Is that a
• 32:50
  Jon: I have that.
• 32:51
  Kearns: They're
• 32:52
  Jon: I bought that
• 32:53
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 32:55
  Jon: It might, I mean, it might have come up because I keep s- I sent, I may
• 32:59
  have sent you that link at some point too, 'cause I definitely bought that.
• 33:04
  Ryan: Just gonna have a movie night.
• 33:06
  Just a, just a movie night and put a random B movie on.
• 33:11
  See how that goes
• 33:13
  Jon: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Kearns: Indeed.
• 33:14
  We could indeed
• 33:18
  Jon: Yeah
• 33:18
  Kearns: we could talk about how we're so tired of these damn characters.
• 33:23
  not as tired of these characters in this franchise as I am
• 33:26
  the ones in The Conjuring.
• 33:29
  Ryan: Yeah
• 33:30
  Kearns: crap in that also pisses me
• 33:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:32
  Well
• 33:33
  Ryan: I feel like they lose the steam by film and when it comes to The Conjuring,
• 33:38
  but with the Insidious films, I feel like it's fresh air because you get
• 33:42
  the prequels and then the third one is more of a Insidious spinoff in a
• 33:48
  way, but just with the title of III,
• 33:52
  Jon: Hmm.
• 33:52
  I, I mean
• 33:54
  Ryan: on Elise and Specs and Tucker
• 33:56
  Jon: I definitely have character fatigue for sure because, like, I
• 34:01
  mean, whether you think Patrick Wilson and Rose Byrne are good in this,
• 34:06
  Lin Shaye is good in the… We see, we've seen those characters so many
• 34:11
  times in the 16 years since Insidious came out, 17 year, whatever it is.
• 34:18
  We've seen them so, so much.
• 34:22
  We s- Patrick Wilson is basically living in this genre half of his life
• 34:27
  now anyway, in these, like, haunted house person ghosty things, you know?
• 34:34
  And then James Wan and Blumhouse, like it's just… The first
• 34:39
  Insidious is not a Blumhouse, but-
• 34:44
  Kearns: You
• 34:45
  Jon: Yeah,
• 34:45
  Kearns: were
• 34:46
  Jon: I did.
• 34:46
  Kearns: Yeah
• 34:47
  Jon: I know.
• 34:47
  I saw, I saw.
• 34:49
  I just got, I just got a, a, "The recording has started" message.
• 34:53
  Kearns: Oh, boy
• 34:54
  Jon: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Ryan: Zoe, we're shaking our heads.
• 34:57
  It's
• 34:58
  Jon: those storms that came through tonight messed up my internet, I think
• 35:02
  Kearns: It's okay.
• 35:03
  So do you think that we would be less l- lukewarm, lukewarm might
• 35:07
  be kind, less lukewarm on this movie if it was a standalone?
• 35:11
  Would we remember it more fondly
• 35:15
  Jon: I think I would.
• 35:16
  I think knowing that they just kept cranking these out, it takes something
• 35:21
  that when I first saw it felt fresh.
• 35:25
  You know, maybe not original, but fresh, and now it's just… I mean,
• 35:29
  it's like everything else that in that sort of similar universe.
• 35:36
  Like, it's not as many as The Conjuring universe, but it, it's still six of these
• 35:41
  Kearns: It's a lot
• 35:42
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 35:43
  It's too much.
• 35:44
  I mean, how the first one ends, it's such a great twist, it's like
• 35:50
  you kinda like, you kind of figure it out in a way after the photo
• 35:57
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 35:57
  Ryan: but it's like when you see it for what it is, it's like wow.
• 36:01
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:01
  Ryan: And then him grabbing her, uh, Roseburg on the shoulder, and
• 36:05
  it's like, oh, this is phenomenal.
• 36:08
  And I mean, they do a sequel.
• 36:10
  The sequel's a cash cow just to kinda try to end the story,
• 36:14
  then you get a prequel, and
• 36:16
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:17
  Ryan: you get the spin-off, and then you get a prequel, and then we're
• 36:20
  going back to the original story 'cause everyone else is going back
• 36:24
  to the original story, you know?
• 36:26
  And
• 36:26
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:27
  Ryan: with, like, the rumor of a Sinister crossover.
• 36:29
  I mean, like, there's one, one is enough
• 36:35
  Jon: See, for me, I think it, the first one ended perfectly because you don't
• 36:42
  need to go and explain what happens to Josh, especially if what happens
• 36:48
  to Josh is just, "Oh, we don't have evidence that he strangled Elise."
• 36:55
  You know, like who else did?
• 36:57
  Ryan: Different fingerprints.
• 36:58
  Jon: Who else, who, who, who else strangled Elise?
• 37:01
  Like it's, like it
• 37:03
  Ryan: Possession
• 37:05
  Jon: Okay.
• 37:06
  Here's what I want you to do, Ryan.
• 37:09
  Go out tonight and strangle somebody, anybody.
• 37:15
  Then when you get arrested, say, "I was possessed by a demon," and
• 37:19
  see how quickly you get released.
• 37:22
  Ryan: I'm
• 37:23
  Jon: I-
• 37:24
  Ryan: to do
• 37:24
  Jon: Ryan, I will put money in your commissary because
• 37:27
  you will be there forever
• 37:29
  Kearns: to a kind of prison that does not have a commissary.
• 37:33
  Ryan: What?
• 37:34
  Jon: You want, but they…
• 37:35
  Kearns: fun one with, uh, the guys from Goodfellas cutting garlic with
• 37:38
  Jon: Yeah.
• 37:39
  Yeah.
• 37:40
  Like, like we,
• 37:41
  Ryan: it in there
• 37:42
  Jon: like we were saying, you, you're not gonna go to a, go
• 37:44
  to a, a mental institution.
• 37:46
  You're going to jail.
• 37:48
  It's almost impossible to win those insanity pleas.
• 37:51
  You won't win it.
• 37:53
  Especially, especially one- especially once they wa- go check
• 37:58
  your viewing history and your recording history and they say, "Oh,
• 38:02
  this guy just watched Insidious.
• 38:04
  He's just doing Insidious.
• 38:05
  He thinks he's gonna get away with it by claiming he was possessed by a demon."
• 38:09
  Kearns: do you think?
• 38:11
  You have a 12 wish willow, buddy.
• 38:15
  You're not getting out of that one.
• 38:16
  Jon: Nah, you're not getting out.
• 38:18
  You're go- A- and
• 38:20
  Ryan: work
• 38:20
  Jon: so, so I th- I think, but, you know, to sort of go back to where we,
• 38:25
  I started with this is to me, you can have a really solid first film and
• 38:33
  mess it up with sequels, and I think Insidious does that right off the…
• 38:38
  The first sequel messes up the, the franchise because he shouldn't be free.
• 38:43
  And
• 38:44
  Kearns: Right
• 38:45
  Jon: me, I, I, and I mean, they sort of leave that end open a little bit that
• 38:50
  way for a sequel, but you've also killed off the person you presented as the only
• 38:57
  person who can, save people from this.
• 39:01
  So, you know, now if you wanna do anything beyond the two, you have to start
• 39:06
  getting into prequels and time jumps and whatever, and that's what The Last Key is.
• 39:11
  The Last Key is a, a prequel.
• 39:14
  The Last Key ends with h- uh, Elise in bed getting a phone call
• 39:18
  fr- from Lorraine about Dalton
• 39:23
  Kearns: Got it.
• 39:23
  Ryan: Oh, okay.
• 39:25
  Kearns: I did not watch that
• 39:27
  Jon: I mean, you don't need to.
• 39:28
  I don't know why I watched it
• 39:30
  Ryan: hold on
• 39:34
  This universe is a little co- so it's one,
• 39:36
  Jon: This universe is very confusing.
• 39:39
  Yep.
• 39:39
  Four is before one, but after three.
• 39:43
  Ryan: with Halloween
• 39:44
  Jon: Five is
• 39:45
  Kearns: it was
• 39:46
  Jon: f- fifth,
• 39:47
  Kearns: would make
• 39:47
  Jon: fifth in order, and I think six is sequentially really gonna be after five.
• 39:55
  I think if you wanted to watch these in sort of chronological order, you
• 40:01
  would pro- uh, I don't know, because three's confus- because four starts
• 40:06
  when, with Elise as a, a child in 1953
• 40:11
  Kearns: It's four's gotta be the first,
• 40:13
  Jon: So, but, but then it jumps to, like, right before the events of the first one.
• 40:19
  So you almost have to watch, like, the first 20 minutes of four, then
• 40:23
  go to three, then go back to four, and then go to one and then two, and
• 40:30
  then f- five and then six, I think
• 40:35
  Kearns: Wow.
• 40:36
  so
• 40:37
  Jon: Yeah, we, we have a confusing timeline.
• 40:39
  We have a c- like, and, uh, just unnecessary sequels to me
• 40:45
  Kearns: Now, no more spinoffs, no more… 'Cause III is a spinoff, right?
• 40:52
  Jon: Three is, I mean, it's
• 40:55
  Kearns: Halloween three, Insidious three.
• 40:58
  Jon: Three, I feel like three is kind of like the lone
• 41:03
  gunman episode of The X-Files,
• 41:06
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 41:06
  Jon: where you're trying to take these characters who you've created and spin
• 41:10
  them out to something else, and people are just kinda like, "Eh." Like, they're
• 41:16
  cool, but can they carry a whole series?
• 41:19
  Can they carry a whole movie?
• 41:22
  Ryan: Specs and Tucker and like in the Insidious world but
• 41:25
  make it a little more comedy.
• 41:27
  I, I, that would've worked.
• 41:28
  Elise is
• 41:29
  Jon: Eh,
• 41:29
  Ryan: they have to figure
• 41:30
  Jon: it, it would've worked,
• 41:31
  Ryan: ensues
• 41:32
  Jon: worked for maybe 30, 45 minutes tops, and then it, it just gets
• 41:37
  old 'cause what are you gonna do?
• 41:38
  Kearns: Right?
• 41:39
  What are you gonna do?
• 41:41
  Jon: Tucker's gonna,
• 41:42
  Ryan: comedy
• 41:43
  Jon: Tucker's gonna walk around with his big thing, his big phallic
• 41:50
  thing, and like get, get pretend readings in the corner, and Specs
• 41:54
  is gonna walk around like a nerd.
• 41:56
  Specs, by the way, is played by Leigh Whannell.
• 42:00
  So y- y- you get, you get the, the further Blumhouse conjuring universe, yeah,
• 42:08
  Kearns: said it.
• 42:08
  Jon: connections.
• 42:09
  Ryan: There
• 42:10
  Jon: Uh-huh.
• 42:10
  Kearns: All
• 42:10
  Jon: And j- just to throw one more little casting Easter egg, the nurse
• 42:15
  that's treating Dalton when he's at home is Leigh Whannell's wife
• 42:21
  Ryan: Oh, that's cool.
• 42:21
  Jon: So,
• 42:22
  Ryan: Family affair
• 42:24
  Jon: I, I mean, sure.
• 42:27
  Kearns: So we established a spinoff.
• 42:27
  A spinoff is not gonna work, and 'cause there's
• 42:28
  Ryan: You're
• 42:28
  Kearns: no
• 42:29
  Ryan: insidious
• 42:30
  Kearns: substance for
• 42:33
  Ryan: Hello.
• 42:34
  Kearns: there to be a spinoff that will work.
• 42:35
  This isn't gonna be Perfect Strangers.
• 42:37
  What about a crossover with, like, Sinister, a movie that actually was
• 42:40
  good and nailed it, and was fresh?
• 42:43
  It also came out around the same time as Insidious, didn't it?
• 42:46
  Like, not the same year, but it, same era
• 42:49
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:50
  Um
• 42:50
  Kearns: remember thinking Sinister was the superior horror experience compared
• 42:55
  to the two as well, comparing the two.
• 42:58
  Would a crossover work?
• 42:59
  Jon: I don't know, because they've sort of presented in both Sinisters
• 43:03
  really, they presented the, victimized families as just stubborn and unwilling
• 43:08
  to seek out that kind of help.
• 43:11
  Especially Ethan Hawke in the first one.
• 43:13
  Kearns: But so at least
• 43:16
  Jon: Ethan Hawke is writing his book.
• 43:18
  Kearns: rolling up would not accomplish anything
• 43:20
  Ryan: Yeah
• 43:21
  Jon: Yeah, I think the most sensible crossover would be with
• 43:24
  The Conjuring, but then you get the repetition of, Warren and Elise
• 43:33
  You know, they were basically the same people.
• 43:36
  Ryan: be their daughter
• 43:37
  Jon: Yeah, but I mean, it's still sort of the same, like the daughter
• 43:40
  goes, the daughter goes and seeks out Elise after her mom dies,
• 43:45
  but Elise would be dead by then
• 43:48
  Kearns: That's true.
• 43:49
  Ryan: Mm.
• 43:50
  Kearns: So Insidious just doesn't work.
• 43:53
  That's
• 43:54
  Jon: d- I mean
• 43:55
  Kearns: It just doesn't work.
• 43:56
  Ryan: a nice…
• 43:58
  Kearns: It worked as a
• 43:58
  Ryan: was an
• 43:59
  Kearns: standalone film.
• 44:00
  We'll see what the reviews tell us, but it worked as a standalone film,
• 44:03
  but as a franchise it's horrific
• 44:08
  Jon: Yeah
• 44:09
  Ryan: it was an interesting rumor 'cause, like, the whole idea with the void and
• 44:13
  stuff, like where does Mr. Boogie go?
• 44:15
  You know?
• 44:16
  He's probably in the void or he's in that in between.
• 44:19
  So like, to connect it wouldn't be hard, but to make it make sense
• 44:25
  Kearns: how he got back.
• 44:26
  Ryan: to enjoy
• 44:26
  Kearns: Yeah, he got back with the kid
• 44:31
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:32
  Ryan: but that's what I'm saying with Mr. Boogie being is,
• 44:35
  Kearns: It didn't kill it
• 44:36
  Ryan: him into the void.
• 44:37
  But
• 44:38
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:38
  Ryan: I feel
• 44:39
  Jon: Wait
• 44:39
  Ryan: being separated is more important 'cause Sinister is definitely a
• 44:42
  different tone from what Insidious is
• 44:45
  Kearns: true
• 44:46
  Jon: Well, you al- you also just like touched on something else about the
• 44:49
  movie that I wanna rant, I had to rant about too, is Josh, even when he's being
• 44:54
  a hero, finally being a good dad, going into the Further to, to bring Dalton
• 44:59
  back out, and gets him most of the way back, and then, "Okay, you finish it.
• 45:06
  I'm gonna go…
• 45:07
  I have to go do this," and go stare into a mirror and get possessed himself.
• 45:11
  Like, you've got, you've come that far.
• 45:14
  You're not gonna see your child back to his body?
• 45:19
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 45:19
  Jon: You're gonna st- you're… Like, what are you doing?
• 45:22
  That, you're back to bad dad
• 45:25
  Kearns: Bad dad
• 45:27
  Ryan: And she warned him, Elise warned him not to talk to any spirits.
• 45:31
  And right in the get-go, he's like, "Hey, have you seen my son?
• 45:34
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 45:35
  Ryan: you seen him?"
• 45:35
  Jon: Yeah.
• 45:36
  Ryan: you doing, dude?"
• 45:37
  Jon: Yeah, he, I mean, he immediately forgets every instruction he
• 45:40
  got, and then, okay, fine, you managed to rescue your kid.
• 45:45
  Finish the job.
• 45:47
  You haven't defeated the thing that was trying to get your kid.
• 45:50
  Kearns: Right
• 45:51
  Jon: just ran away from it
• 45:54
  Get, finish your job.
• 45:57
  And that frustrated me so much more this time than it, it did
• 46:01
  any other time I've seen this
• 46:03
  Kearns: We can't really argue with you on it.
• 46:05
  It's just
• 46:06
  Ryan: I
• 46:06
  Kearns: true
• 46:09
  Ryan: I completely forgot about that scene.
• 46:10
  I was like, "What are you doing?" And then when I see him
• 46:12
  talking to the Black Bride, I'm
• 46:14
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:16
  Ryan: "Why? Why?" Like, why put that in the script?
• 46:20
  You- because yes, you want a, a shock ending,
• 46:22
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:24
  Ryan: there could've been a different way to go along with that.
• 46:27
  You know what I mean?
• 46:27
  Like, have him get to his son to the body, and then have that spirit come after him,
• 46:32
  Jon: I don't,
• 46:32
  Ryan: go black
• 46:34
  Jon: I don't even think you had to show that at all.
• 46:37
  I think, you just bring it out and there's, it's a bigger shock when he
• 46:42
  does that, when he goes after Elise.
• 46:44
  It's a much bigger shock.
• 46:47
  You know?
• 46:48
  Ryan: that
• 46:49
  Jon: Y- y- and I, I, like that's the thing.
• 46:52
  Sometimes you can make a more effective movie or a more
• 46:55
  effective scene by omission
• 46:58
  Kearns: Yeah
• 46:59
  Ryan: True.
• 47:01
  True
• 47:02
  Kearns: I mean, it's a fair point.
• 47:03
  Hey
• 47:04
  Ryan: A lot of horror films do that,
• 47:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:06
  Ryan: it, benefits them, I think, most of the time.
• 47:09
  There are certain movies where it, doesn't, but I think for
• 47:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:13
  Ryan: omitting it would've worked
• 47:14
  Jon: But yeah, I mean, it's that spoon-feeding of the audience.
• 47:20
  And, you know, the… for some people that it works, and for some
• 47:25
  people it's what you have to do for them to, to be with the movie.
• 47:29
  And then, yeah, I didn't wanna say it, but yeah.
• 47:33
  Kearns: have no problem saying it
• 47:35
  Jon: But, you know, like, we don't, w- we as viewers don't need that, you know?
• 47:41
  I… But again, I think that goes back to the accessibility, too.
• 47:45
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 47:46
  Jon: You've made this movie at a PG-13 to presumably draw
• 47:51
  as much audience as you can,
• 47:53
  Kearns: Which
• 47:54
  Jon: you know, here, which means if you made a PG-13, you're gonna
• 47:58
  draw 11 and 12-year-olds, too.
• 48:03
  So you have to, you have to give them the exposition that they need
• 48:08
  to understand that part, and then you have the adults who need that, too
• 48:18
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 48:18
  Ryan: I understand, but I do notice with the upcoming generation, with getting
• 48:25
  back into older films and watching the older films where you actually
• 48:28
  have to build your knowledge, the-- build your knowledge of the story, the
• 48:32
  characters to know what is happening or realizing, crap, did this happen?
• 48:36
  And then finding out later it didn't, having that shock value.
• 48:39
  Jon: Hmm.
• 48:40
  Ryan: that more, which I appreciate.
• 48:42
  Jon: I mean, I'll b- I, I'll believe that there's a lot of…
• 48:46
  Kearns: that
• 48:47
  Jon: Yeah.
• 48:48
  I'll believe that there's a lot of younger generations, yeah, seeking out old stuff.
• 48:55
  I, I don't know.
• 48:56
  I don't know, I don't know if I necessarily buy that
• 48:59
  that's happening a lot.
• 49:01
  I, I s- I see more,
• 49:03
  Kearns: thing makes me not
• 49:04
  Jon: yeah
• 49:05
  Kearns: they can't, they can't even seek things out, let alone hold attention.
• 49:10
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:11
  I, I see m- I s-
• 49:13
  Kearns: Z.
• 49:14
  Jon: a lot of, like, I see a lot of that.
• 49:18
  Like, if you, you know, eh, movie groups, horror groups on, on social media,
• 49:24
  and you look at the posts, like, I was following one for the last couple weeks
• 49:28
  of, um, the best movie of the 1970s, and the stuff that was getting eliminated
• 49:35
  in the order it was getting eliminated, and it was like, "What are we doing?
• 49:40
  What are we…" Like, things like Dog- Dog Day Afternoon were gone, like,
• 49:44
  the first or second day, and the whole time, every single time, "Eliminate The
• 49:49
  Godfather, eliminate The Godfather II." Like… So eliminate two movies that are
• 49:56
  not only among the best of the '70s, but probably among the best movies ever made.
• 50:04
  But it's because…
• 50:06
  Ryan: Connection on there?
• 50:07
  Jon: Yep, that was gone e- pretty early, too.
• 50:10
  Like, it ca- it came down to Star Wars and The Godfather.
• 50:15
  One.
• 50:16
  The Godfather I. It, it's just…
• 50:20
  Ryan: tell me Godfather won
• 50:21
  Jon: I, I stopped following.
• 50:22
  I purposely didn't find the winner because I know it was, I know it was Star Wars.
• 50:26
  I know it was.
• 50:28
  And I love Star Wars.
• 50:30
  I love that whole franchise.
• 50:31
  I,
• 50:32
  Ryan: gonna
• 50:32
  Jon: I love the bad prequels.
• 50:34
  I love the bad prequels.
• 50:36
  I love the even worse sequels.
• 50:39
  But A
• 50:40
  Kearns: the
• 50:40
  Jon: n- A New Hope, well, see, th- this is my Star Wars theory, and
• 50:45
  I'll go a quick, a quick tangent.
• 50:48
  I think, 'cause you were young when the prequel trilogy came out, so that, that's
• 50:55
  always been, like, a part of your world.
• 50:58
  The, the less- the lesser quality of the prequel tr- trilogy has
• 51:02
  always been a part of your world.
• 51:04
  It was not always a part of mine.
• 51:06
  So when I s- first saw, um, Phantom Menace, it was such
• 51:13
  a massive disappointment
• 51:16
  Kearns: Yep
• 51:16
  Jon: because of how good the original trilogy was.
• 51:20
  Kearns: Yeah
• 51:20
  Jon: the time, by the time I got to Force Awakens, it was like, "Whatever, this
• 51:25
  franchise has gone downhill anyway."
• 51:28
  Kearns: I mean, even still the fact that it, it was going downhill
• 51:31
  and then it jumped off a cliff.
• 51:33
  The ninth movie is such a tragedy
• 51:35
  Jon: Oh yeah, n- nine, nine is a mess.
• 51:37
  Nine is a mess.
• 51:38
  Yeah, well,
• 51:39
  Ryan: garbage.
• 51:40
  It, uh, uh, it, if they went with the original… Sorry,
• 51:44
  if they went with the original
• 51:45
  Kearns: well, I'm gonna t- yeah,
• 51:47
  Jon: Yeah.
• 51:47
  Th- th-
• 51:48
  Ryan: no,
• 51:48
  Jon: was,
• 51:48
  Ryan: with,
• 51:48
  Kearns: Get it out,
• 51:49
  Jon: this was just a quick advance a theory that, that, that franchise
• 51:52
  is ruined based on how old you are
• 51:54
  Kearns: we've been on a tangent for seven minutes, not just that
• 51:57
  Ryan: they, if they, if, if they followed the Darth Plagueis
• 51:59
  storyline and ignored Palpatine, it would've been definitely better.
• 52:04
  that's it
• 52:05
  Jon: I mean, if, if they had ignored a lot of things, it would've been a lot better
• 52:08
  Kearns: So we just reviewed every movie but the one we're doing for this episode.
• 52:11
  Let's review
• 52:12
  Jon: Yeah, so, so let's get to some reviews.
• 52:14
  so Rotten Tomatoes, Insidious is a 66% with critics and a 62% audience.
• 52:22
  So, you know, slightly above average, slightly above good, or slightly good.
• 52:28
  five stars.
• 52:31
  "Another horror classic.
• 52:33
  Freaky A-F, and the performances are great.
• 52:39
  I watched it when I was nine or 10, and that movie gave me the
• 52:42
  chills for a long time after that.
• 52:45
  Whenever I hear someone discussing Three Tiptoe by the Window soundtrack,
• 52:51
  I still poop my pants years later."
• 52:57
  Kearns: that they get that checked out
• 53:00
  Jon: Yeah, I,
• 53:00
  Ryan: buddy
• 53:01
  Jon: that, that might be a medical problem, not a movie problem.
• 53:05
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 53:06
  Let's get to our
• 53:07
  Jon: I n- yeah, yeah.
• 53:09
  One star.
• 53:12
  "Good elementary level horror for beginners, I suppose.
• 53:16
  Production elements just feel cheap, and the one infamously good jump scare
• 53:22
  was ruined for me by the streaming platform using that frame as its intro.
• 53:28
  So whatever leverage it had there, it lost." Which, uh, you know, y- definitely
• 53:36
  if you came to this l- if you came to this late, that image of that demon appearing
• 53:43
  behind Patrick Wilson was in trailers.
• 53:47
  It's been in, you know, the promo image on streaming platf-
• 53:50
  It's like you've seen that.
• 53:52
  If you… It's not as, it's not a jump scare anymore.
• 53:56
  You know that scene is coming.
• 53:59
  And one more one star.
• 54:01
  One star.
• 54:02
  "Like an unorganized pile of cliches.
• 54:06
  The horror here is the idea that someone paid for this movie to be made.
• 54:11
  I've seen scarier episodes of Sesame Street, better written ones too.
• 54:17
  'You're going to see a lot of confusing things, things you don't understand.'
• 54:22
  Most accurate dialogue ever."
• 54:28
  I feel like, I, I feel like Sesame Street kinda catches us stray in there.
• 54:34
  'Cause Sesame Street's horror stories were pretty legit for stories.
• 54:38
  Like, I don't know
• 54:43
  Kearns: Crew,
• 54:44
  Jon: So
• 54:44
  Kearns: Sesame Street just because you
• 54:45
  Jon: yeah.
• 54:47
  Yeah.
• 54:48
  So knowing what other people think, gentlemen, what do we think?
• 54:54
  Kearns: I know I used my blue star last week.
• 54:56
  No.
• 54:57
  Okay.
• 54:59
  Uh,
• 54:59
  Ryan: Uh,
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  Kearns: I honestly wanna give this thing a 2.75 'cause it is a, it is a touch above
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  average, but I'm knocking it right to just 2.5 because of the franchise crap.
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  I'm so tired of the franchise crap.
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  Just, it's not even worthy a sequel, let alone six movies.
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  Give me a break.
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  I'm so tired of this dumb crap
• 55:22
  Ryan: Wow.
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  I thought you would go higher, but
• 55:25
  Kearns: No.
• 55:25
  Ryan: right.
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  I, I,
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  Kearns: I'm, I'm over it.
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  And the rewatch didn't help.
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  The rewatch made me like it less, it's true
• 55:33
  Ryan: I'll give it three stars.
• 55:35
  I'll do three stars.
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  got to give it a little bit more because the first two watches
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  did scare the crap out of me.
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  I do think it holds up well.
• 55:44
  Watching it again, it didn't scare me as much because, you
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  know, everything that's coming.
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  But James Wan has the beats.
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  I feel like Rose Byrne does a good job.
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  I feel like Patrick Wilson does do a good job being a bad dad.
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  And, you know, the kids are great.
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  The spirits, the world he's created, it's different from, you
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  were saying, Dead Silence and Saw.
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  So it's like he was just like in the waters of everything
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  testing what fit him mostly.
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  And it turned out to be hauntings because then right after it,
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  he did the Conjuring series.
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  He's doing Insidious.
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  Still doing Insidious.
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  But, yeah, I feel like three stars.
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  It's a good opening.
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  You know, you want a good scare.
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  It's PG-13.
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  Watch it Christmas morning.
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  Have fun.
• 56:30
  Kearns: Okay
• 56:31
  Jon: morning?
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  I, I, I, I do, I don't usually, but I do wanna push back on something you said.
• 56:41
  The kid performances were, were good
• 56:45
  Ryan: They were, they weren't bad.
• 56:46
  They
• 56:46
  Jon: They weren't, they weren't anything.
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  They weren't anything.
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  One of them's a baby, the other one's asleep 90% of the movie, and, and the
• 56:56
  middle child has, like, the one moment where, like, "I don't like it when
• 57:00
  Dalton gets up and walks at night."
• 57:02
  Ryan: Perfect.
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  Perfect amount of time.
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  It worked
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  Jon: um,
• 57:07
  Ryan: worked
• 57:08
  Jon: I'm gonna go with Currans.
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  This is a 2.5.
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  I, like, uh, the, I, I think the first couple times I watched this, I had this,
• 57:17
  I had this in, like, maybe a 3.75 range.
• 57:21
  It's not a 3.75 for me.
• 57:23
  It's not a three for me anymore.
• 57:25
  It's a 2.5, and I've, I worry that if I watch it again, it'll be lower.
• 57:30
  I think there's definitely the fatigue.
• 57:33
  It, there's definitely the, you know, I've seen this, I've seen how,
• 57:38
  this type of movie now 100 times.
• 57:41
  There's the, you know, it, I can't shake how much Poltergeist this movie is
• 57:49
  Kearns: Yeah, it's a copy.
• 57:51
  Jon: He,
• 57:51
  Kearns: it considerably
• 57:54
  Jon: he, um, I, I, maybe I was willing to overlook it previously.
• 57:57
  Maybe I just didn't put it together, but it real- the, the poltergeist-ness
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  of Insidious just overwhelmed me this time, and it's just not as good.
• 58:11
  So yeah, 2.5
• 58:13
  Ryan: Yeah, I can, I can go on that bandwagon.
• 58:15
  I, I never really saw the similarities of Poltergeist
• 58:19
  Insidious until you mentioned it,
• 58:21
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 58:21
  Ryan: and now talking more and I'm thinking about it, it-- very similar.
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  But I-- in my opinion, I don't think it's as bad as the homage to the
• 58:32
  remake that came out five years later.
• 58:34
  Kearns: It's true
• 58:35
  Ryan: I think he does a decent
• 58:37
  Jon: Yeah, I mean,
• 58:38
  Ryan: not Poltergeist
• 58:39
  Kearns: Top fives, let's go, guys.
• 58:42
  Ryan: Top five poltergeist film.
• 58:44
  No, I'm joking.
• 58:45
  Uh, we're gonna do top five Lynn Shay movies tonight, and we're gonna start off
• 58:50
  Jon: You cheated
• 58:51
  Ryan: Bruce in one of my favorite comedies, 1998-
• 58:54
  Kearns: He did cheat.
• 58:55
  He s- he cheat cheated.
• 58:57
  He found it
• 58:58
  Jon: And you had, you had, you had re- you had researched Lynn
• 59:01
  Shay, so when I popped up Shay or Nay, you had background knowledge
• 59:07
  Kearns: He did cheat and he still got one wrong
• 59:11
  Ryan: I s- I did homework.
• 59:13
  Jon: wrong
• 59:15
  Ryan: without knowing
• 59:18
  Kearns: For shame
• 59:20
  Jon: For shame
• 59:21
  Ryan: But my number five is for Shay.
• 59:25
  No, number five is Detroit Rock City.
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  She plays Mrs. Bruce, one of the moms of the four teenage boys in a Kiss
• 59:32
  tribute band who try to see their idols in a concert in Detroit in 1978.
• 59:37
  It's a road trip movie.
• 59:38
  It's funny.
• 59:40
  I mean, I feel like if you like Kiss or if you like that gross out comedy during
• 59:45
  the late '90s, you'll like this film.
• 59:47
  It's a different pace compared to your American Pies as well as Road Trip,
• 59:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 59:53
  Ryan: uh, I would say that on
• 59:56
  Jon: I ju-
• 59:56
  Ryan: levels, American Pie, your Road Trip, EuroTrip
• 59:59
  Jon: I think Detroit Rock City would be a good double
• 1:00:02
  feature with Dazed and Confused
• 1:00:05
  Ryan: Yes, like watch Dazed and Confused first as they're leaving for the
• 1:00:09
  concert, as the four teenagers from
• 1:00:12
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:00:13
  Ryan: City are trying to get tickets
• 1:00:14
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:00:15
  Ryan: a concert.
• 1:00:16
  I-- That's actually a good idea, and then throw in Empire Records,
• 1:00:20
  like, as, like, the third film later.
• 1:00:22
  I just saw that recently again, and it's got a warm spot in my heart.
• 1:00:26
  But we'll go into number four, and number four, she plays Sally.
• 1:00:30
  It's-- was mentioned earlier during Shay or Nay, and that's Critters.
• 1:00:34
  covered this.
• 1:00:34
  It follows a group of small furry aliens with carnivorous behavior escaping from
• 1:00:39
  two shape-shifting bounty hunters called Ug and Lee, landing in a small countryside
• 1:00:43
  town to feast on its inhabitants.
• 1:00:46
  Please, if you haven't seen the movie, watch the movie,
• 1:00:48
  and then check out our episode.
• 1:00:49
  We covered the entire Critters franchise, and does it get better?
• 1:00:53
  Does it get worse?
• 1:00:54
  You gotta listen to our podcast and watch the movies to
• 1:00:56
  settle your opinion yourself.
• 1:00:58
  And then we get to number three, and that's when we get into
• 1:01:02
  Wes Craven's New Nightmare.
• 1:01:04
  So yeah, she does make an appearance.
• 1:01:06
  Wes Craven asked actors from the first film to reappear in this film.
• 1:01:14
  I-- She was, in the first one, a teacher.
• 1:01:19
  In this one, she a nurse.
• 1:01:20
  She was in the hospital scene, and, uh, she's just there for a quick second.
• 1:01:26
  her presence, again, like as I was saying earlier, underappreciated.
• 1:01:30
  Her presence is known 'cause you can watch and be like, "Oh crap, Lin
• 1:01:33
  Shaye's in this." And the movie's great.
• 1:01:36
  the idea of Freddy coming into the real world and the idea of creating
• 1:01:40
  another Nightmare on Elm Street after his, death in the the sixth one.
• 1:01:46
  Right?
• 1:01:47
  The sixth one?
• 1:01:48
  Yeah, the sixth one.
• 1:01:49
  Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare.
• 1:01:51
  I always get five and six confused.
• 1:01:52
  But again, it's a great film, and it starts the Scream franchise,
• 1:01:57
  because without New Nightmare, we wouldn't have Scream.
• 1:01:59
  which leads to number two.
• 1:02:01
  Again, this movie was mentioned again, earlier.
• 1:02:03
  She plays a reporter, a propaganda reporter, and that's The Running
• 1:02:08
  Man, starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Richard Dawson, Yaphet Kotto, Maria
• 1:02:13
  Alonso, and Jesse "The Body" Ventura.
• 1:02:17
  It's set in a dystopia United States where a state-controlled broadcaster
• 1:02:20
  airs a deadly game show in which convicted criminals, known as runners,
• 1:02:24
  must survive pursuit by themed gladiatorial assassins called stalkers.
• 1:02:28
  it follows Captain Ben Richards, who's framed, and he's the next contestant.
• 1:02:32
  And you haven't seen it, watch this one first.
• 1:02:35
  I still have to watch the remake.
• 1:02:37
  watch this one.
• 1:02:38
  It's just a classic.
• 1:02:39
  And read the book.
• 1:02:41
  And that leads to number one.
• 1:02:43
  Lin Shaye plays a teacher in everyone's favorite classic, A Nightmare on Elm
• 1:02:47
  Street I don't think I have to say much.
• 1:02:50
  If you haven't seen this film yet, just watch it.
• 1:02:53
  Enjoy it.
• 1:02:54
  Love it.
• 1:02:55
  Then watch the whole franchise, 'cause it's worth it.
• 1:02:57
  But that's my top five tonight.
• 1:02:59
  John, what places are we going tonight for your top five?
• 1:03:02
  Kearns: got a feeling I
• 1:03:03
  Jon: Well,
• 1:03:07
  I I w- was inspired by my fallen opinion of Insidious to go and
• 1:03:13
  find five good PG or PG-13 horror movies to show it can be done well.
• 1:03:26
  My number five, stars Jeff Daniels, Julian Sands, and John Goodman.
• 1:03:36
  Number five is Arachnophobia.
• 1:03:39
  Um,
• 1:03:40
  Ryan: PG-13?
• 1:03:43
  I thought that was rated
• 1:03:44
  Jon: Nope, PG-13.
• 1:03:45
  A species of killer spiders from South America arrives inside a
• 1:03:50
  coffin to a small California town.
• 1:03:54
  The new, the new-to-town Dr. Ross Jennings is puzzled and
• 1:03:58
  scared since he is arachnophobic.
• 1:04:02
  Enter the exterminator, Delbert McClintock, to rid the town of the spiders
• 1:04:11
  Ryan: What's the best dance scene in any movie?
• 1:04:14
  Kearns: Any movie?
• 1:04:17
  Ryan: Are we going with American, uh, Wedding with Stefmeister?
• 1:04:23
  Jon: I didn't even see American Wedding
• 1:04:26
  Ryan: You're not missing
• 1:04:27
  Jon: I mean,
• 1:04:28
  Ryan: are a couple funny scenes, but
• 1:04:29
  Jon: I mean, I kn- I know right off the bat you just basically dismissed
• 1:04:32
  Footloose and Dirty Dancing, so
• 1:04:37
  Ryan: Footloose is good.
• 1:04:38
  Dirty Dancing is excellent.
• 1:04:40
  No one puts Baby in the corner
• 1:04:43
  Jon: I, number four, before we start putting anybody else in corners.
• 1:04:47
  My number four is Tremors
• 1:04:51
  Ryan: Oh God, that is
• 1:04:51
  Jon: It's a PG-13.
• 1:04:53
  The small town of Perfection, Nevada has a big problem.
• 1:04:58
  Large underground worm-like creatures are feasting on the townspeople.
• 1:05:04
  A seismologist and two local men attempt to stop the subterranean
• 1:05:08
  scourge from snacking on everyone.
• 1:05:11
  And the cast in this is incredible with Kevin Bacon, Fred Ward,
• 1:05:17
  Michael Gross, and Reba McEntire.
• 1:05:19
  And it's- Tremors is like a happy time movie.
• 1:05:24
  my number three might be the scariest movie I've ever seen.
• 1:05:30
  And you can argue that maybe it's not fully horror, but it's Fire in the Sky
• 1:05:39
  Have you seen Fire in the Sky, Ryan?
• 1:05:41
  You're looking at me blank.
• 1:05:42
  Ryan: Nah.
• 1:05:43
  Jon: All right.
• 1:05:44
  So Fire, Fire in the
• 1:05:46
  Kearns: saw
• 1:05:46
  Jon: S-
• 1:05:46
  Kearns: the sky, bro?
• 1:05:49
  Ryan: No.
• 1:05:49
  Kearns: Oh my God, dude.
• 1:05:51
  That's an, that's an experience.
• 1:05:52
  You should definitely do that.
• 1:05:53
  Sorry, John
• 1:05:54
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:05:55
  Ryan: is that with the kids?
• 1:05:56
  Well, you're gonna explain it,
• 1:05:57
  Jon: turn the lights off and watch Fire in the Sky.
• 1:05:59
  Fire in the Sky is based on the real life, maybe, experience of Travis Walton.
• 1:06:06
  Walton was abducted and experimented on by aliens.
• 1:06:10
  Meanwhile, on Earth, his friends report him as missing and are
• 1:06:14
  met with ridicule and suspicion.
• 1:06:17
  Walton manages to escape, and his friends find him naked, bruised,
• 1:06:21
  and scared at a remote gas station.
• 1:06:25
  so you get D.B. Sweeney as Walton, and a bunch of other
• 1:06:27
  cool, like, early '90s actors.
• 1:06:30
  You get E.T. kid Henry Thomas grown up.
• 1:06:34
  But Fire in the Sky is legitimately among the scariest movies I've
• 1:06:39
  ever seen, and it's a rare thing.
• 1:06:43
  It's alien movies like that that scare me.
• 1:06:45
  It's that, it's, um, Fourth Kind gets me.
• 1:06:49
  There's a couple other ones that, have the ability to scare me.
• 1:06:53
  my number two, we're gonna go up to Scandinavia for an André Øvredal movie,
• 1:06:58
  who… The guy who directed Autopsy of Jane Doe, and it's Trollhunter So a series
• 1:07:04
  of mysterious bear killings brings a team of students to determine the cause.
• 1:07:10
  They stalk a hunter who reluctantly agrees to let them follow and film him,
• 1:07:15
  hoping he can lead them to the culprit.
• 1:07:18
  As they go along, they learn Hans is not a conventional hunter.
• 1:07:23
  Oh, no.
• 1:07:25
  He hunts trolls.
• 1:07:28
  I love Trollhunter.
• 1:07:30
  it's a pretty found footage-y kind of movie.
• 1:07:32
  It, like, it… Saw it on Netflix at first.
• 1:07:35
  It really, really hits.
• 1:07:36
  I love Trollhunter.
• 1:07:39
  And my number one is a movie we came up- we've talked about already.
• 1:07:45
  But, number one is Poltergeist.
• 1:07:48
  so what happens when an, a horror icon collaborates with a cinema legend?
• 1:07:53
  Poltergeist happens.
• 1:07:55
  Produced by Steven Spielberg, directed by Tobe Hooper.
• 1:07:59
  now listen, here's, what I'm talking about.
• 1:08:02
  Otherworldly beings manifest in a family's new home, shattering their peaceful lives.
• 1:08:08
  Insidious.
• 1:08:09
  It gets worse when their young daughter or son is pulled into
• 1:08:14
  the TV and the other side.
• 1:08:16
  Or the further.
• 1:08:17
  A team of experts, Elise, Specs, and Tucker, comes to help rescue
• 1:08:22
  the girl from a nightmarish realm-
• 1:08:26
  Sound familiar?
• 1:08:28
  Yeah, it does, doesn't it?
• 1:08:31
  Ryan: Oh,
• 1:08:31
  Jon: Number one, Poltergeist.
• 1:08:33
  Ryan: You-
• 1:08:34
  Jon: And, like, that's scratching the surface.
• 1:08:36
  You, you… I wanna do 'em one after another and just list
• 1:08:42
  Ryan: I
• 1:08:43
  Jon: the commonalities
• 1:08:44
  Ryan: I'm like
• 1:08:48
  We're gonna have to move Poltergeist up and do
• 1:08:49
  a co- comparison on this
• 1:08:51
  Jon: Might.
• 1:08:52
  Kearns: I mean, it's
• 1:08:53
  Jon: We might.
• 1:08:54
  Kearns: though.
• 1:08:55
  Jon: No
• 1:08:55
  Kearns: Guys, I mean, you can just,
• 1:08:56
  Ryan: is
• 1:08:57
  Kearns: just compare the beats.
• 1:08:59
  Sorry.
• 1:09:00
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:09:01
  Kearns: All right, guys.
• 1:09:01
  That was Insidious.
• 1:09:02
  I hope you didn't like it because we sure didn't
• 1:09:05
  Ryan: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:09:06
  Jon: Ryan likes it
• 1:09:07
  Ryan: film.
• 1:09:09
  Watch it, enjoy it.
• 1:09:11
  Watch it on New Year's,
• 1:09:12
  Kearns: Nothing like spot on average to really get you going
• 1:09:16
  Ryan: It's the starting point.
• 1:09:18
  It's like starting the
• 1:09:18
  Kearns: That's the whole point
• 1:09:19
  Ryan: it sputter a little bit.
• 1:09:21
  Kearns: have been the starting point
• 1:09:24
  Jon: It should have been the starting and ending point
• 1:09:27
  Kearns: Yes.
• 1:09:28
  Ryan: Yeah, okay.
• 1:09:30
  Kearns: that's us for this week, everybody.
• 1:09:32
  We hope you enjoyed, and we'll catch you on the next one
• 1:09:36
  Ryan: Don't get haunted and have a good one
• 1:09:39
  Jon: Yeah