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55KRC Wednesday show - Signal 99, TPA, AFP, CCVS, BOE, Judge Napolitano · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Five o five a fifty five k r C the
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  Speaker 1: talk station Happy Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: Will ID no idea?
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: And neither do I? Thanks telling someoning it up. Let's
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  Speaker 1: just go home. How's that for an idea? Joe Streker,
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  Speaker 1: executive producer, Internet research guru all on, great guy. Jost
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  Speaker 1: Trekker produces the program. And my name is Brian Thomas.
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  Speaker 1: I am host of the fifty five KRC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 1: At least for this period of time in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up, it's the perfect day for signal ninety nine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes please, Chiefdiji not effective leader. According to the final
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  Speaker 1: report from the law firm that was hired to come
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  Speaker 1: up with a reason for putting her on administrative leaf
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  Speaker 1: since they didn't have one at the time, she was
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  Speaker 1: police chief for a year, never had a I guess
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  Speaker 1: she never had a performance review. Ever, they are praising
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  Speaker 1: her city manager, praising her up until a moment in
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  Speaker 1: time when they decided not to and then play strong
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  Speaker 1: administrative league. So why did we do that? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hire a law firm to find out. And the
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  Speaker 1: report just can I ask just a sort of a
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  Speaker 1: rhetorical question, because I know the answer to the question,
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  Speaker 1: anybody ever have a problem with their boss? Judge, you
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  Speaker 1: ever have a problem with your boss? Do you ever
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  Speaker 1: think that you know what I Joe Strecker, with almost
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  Speaker 1: thirty full years of experience in the radio industry and
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  Speaker 1: executive producer of the Morning Show as well as Jack
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  Speaker 1: of all trades, one of the most talented and informed
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  Speaker 1: individuals in the entire cluster here for iHeartMedia, Joe's tracker. Judge,
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  Speaker 1: ever think that you have maybe better ideas how to
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  Speaker 1: run a ship? Do you ever think that management makes
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  Speaker 1: incorrect decisions from time to time? If you were sat
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  Speaker 1: down right now and talked and look back in time
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  Speaker 1: and we're asked to make oh, I don't know, random
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  Speaker 1: conclusions opinions, offer your suggestions and advice on what you
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  Speaker 1: would have done differently, do you think you might have
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  Speaker 1: our twould maybe a complaint or two? Looking back? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I know, yes, Who in the hell else as a
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  Speaker 1: minion in a company didn't look up into the above
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  Speaker 1: the glass ceiling where all the lords and masters sit
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  Speaker 1: on the board of directors and CEOs, et cetera, and say,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, if I ran this place, it would
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  Speaker 1: be a more well oiled machine. I could do better.
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  Speaker 1: I have problems with their management style. No, nobody's ever
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  Speaker 1: done that. That's kind of the takeaway I took when
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  Speaker 1: I read this confidential memorandum for the law firm that
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  Speaker 1: did this. Hindsight is twenty twenty investigation in the police
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  Speaker 1: chief theji Listen, I'm not a police officer. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: work under her in command. I just know that this
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  Speaker 1: looks really bad. Optically, the city could not come up
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  Speaker 1: with a reason at the time they placed her on
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  Speaker 1: administrative leave for placing her administrative le Did you hear
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  Speaker 1: any answer?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: And what kind of optics is it when you hire
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  Speaker 1: a law firm to go out into the world and
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  Speaker 1: then start interviewing people for the purposes of coming up
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  Speaker 1: with the with a retroactive reason for firing. And that's
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  Speaker 1: what you got here. Signal ninety nine is going to
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  Speaker 1: join the programs at six point thirty. She had a
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  Speaker 1: very lengthy response. In addition, should be talking about the
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  Speaker 1: thirty million dollar hole and the fact that the City
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  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati is now going after public safety ie Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: Police Department any year where they're negotiating the union contracts
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  Speaker 1: to cut almost seven million dollars from the police budget.
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  Speaker 1: Does anybody feel like the police should be cut at
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  Speaker 1: this point in time? Oh my god, we have a
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  Speaker 1: financial crisis. We'll find another area in government to cut money.
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  Speaker 1: Let's leave the police department alone, right now. That's tough enough,
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  Speaker 1: since there one hundred officers short, and that number is
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  Speaker 1: growing every single day. See FOP President Ken Kobra and
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  Speaker 1: his comments here on the Morning Show as well as elsewhere. Look,
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  Speaker 1: every day they get notice that somebody's going to retire,
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  Speaker 1: right and they're having a difficult time getting people to
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  Speaker 1: even consider law enforcement as a career choice. Years of
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  Speaker 1: defund the police and back lives matter of marches. People
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  Speaker 1: have a bad perception of the police. That was the
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  Speaker 1: point of doing that. Police evil. They are perpetuators of
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  Speaker 1: the white supremacist society or whatever the argument is. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl Long pushing out messages saying everything's fine in advance
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  Speaker 1: of this report being released. Everything's fine, don't worry about it,
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  Speaker 1: stay calm. Sign to night Niner writes, the integrity of process, respect,
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  Speaker 1: the investigation. Crime is down. Everything is working well. Apparently
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  Speaker 1: that was an email Cheryl Long sent out to everybody
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  Speaker 1: before people had a time to see this confidential memorandums
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  Speaker 1: this summary from the law firm looking into police chiefs
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  Speaker 1: Fiji's tenures police chief, where they basically say the place
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  Speaker 1: was a disorganized sort of little fiefdom run by police
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  Speaker 1: Chief Thiji and her handful of select minions who didn't
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  Speaker 1: reach out and talk to his enough people, at least
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  Speaker 1: the people complaining and were interviewed by the law firm.
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  Speaker 1: Law firm interviewed I think thirty plus people. They claimed
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  Speaker 1: it was a cross section. Some didn't want to be interviewed,
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  Speaker 1: They turned down the opportunity to make say something on
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  Speaker 1: the record. Others And I suppose if you're being interviewed
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  Speaker 1: Hindsight's twenty twenty, would you be more likely to talk
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  Speaker 1: to the I'll say interrogators the law Would you more
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  Speaker 1: likely to talk to the law firms? The law firm
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  Speaker 1: who was interview looking into the sort again with hindsight,
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  Speaker 1: looking for some reason, is there anything wrong with police
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  Speaker 1: chief DG or why she was police chief? Who would
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  Speaker 1: be more likely to go in and sit down and
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  Speaker 1: talk with them? Maybe someone who's got a complaint looks
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  Speaker 1: as it's an opportunity to maybe vent their spleen and
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  Speaker 1: complain and provide a fodder and basically an opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: make certain the police chief DJ never ever becomes police
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  Speaker 1: chief again, which is ultimately what they concluded in this report. Huh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like police chief DG. I'm gonna tell the
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  Speaker 1: law firm that she sucked as police chief and then
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  Speaker 1: I'll never have to deal with her again. That's certainly possible,
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  Speaker 1: going back to your experience in your company, when you
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  Speaker 1: think you know better than the bosses and the managers.
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  Speaker 1: Man if I can just get rid of that boss
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  Speaker 1: that I think is doing a lousy job who I
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  Speaker 1: don't like, maybe I'll chime in. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: it's it's when you read the report, and i'llencourage you.
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  Speaker 5: To do that.
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  Speaker 1: Believe they think they thought. It's just there's nothing concrete
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  Speaker 1: in it other than people's just simplest, simple opinions. And
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  Speaker 1: here's one fun fact, going back to my point on
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  Speaker 1: keeping her out of the office. Quote, the vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of all witnesses, the ones that they decided to talk to,
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  Speaker 1: were they actually talk to. How many police officers are
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  Speaker 1: there right like this is like seven hundred, Joe, we
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  Speaker 1: roughly at seven seven fifty or something like that. Well
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  Speaker 1: that's what they wanted. I thought like it was nine
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  Speaker 1: to fifty. Anyway, of the quite a few hundred police officers,
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  Speaker 1: a grand total of I guess forty two witnesses were
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  Speaker 1: contacted for the interview. Some did decline to participate, so
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  Speaker 1: we're down to I think around thirty or so witnesses
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  Speaker 1: that they actually talked to among hundreds of police officers.
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  Speaker 1: So the vast majority of the select percentage that were
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  Speaker 1: actually interviewed by the law firm believe it would not
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  Speaker 1: be in the best interest of the Cincinni Police Department
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  Speaker 1: for Chief Thigi to return as police chief. And then
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  Speaker 1: the idea that the witnesses were comparing interim Chief Henny's
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  Speaker 1: communications and actions as Cincinni Police chief to show how
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  Speaker 1: much better things are now than under Thiji. Again, police
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  Speaker 1: Chief Henny or interim Chief Henny was not in the
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  Speaker 1: role at the time she was placed on administrative leave.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you can like the next boss better than
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  Speaker 1: the first one. I know there's a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: that like Joe Biden as president better than Donald Trump. Well, look,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people feel differently about that, huh. Change
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  Speaker 1: in management, change in management style, they usually go hand
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  Speaker 1: in hand. So Henny may be better than TJ in
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  Speaker 1: the hearts and minds of some officers. Other officers may
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  Speaker 1: think that Tji was doing a better job and had
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  Speaker 1: no complaints with while she was in the role. Shocking,
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  Speaker 1: literally no one ability to work with in larger city government.
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  Speaker 1: They interviewed Thiji. They expressed her beliefs in this report
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  Speaker 1: that Chief Fiji believed the mayor should intervene with local
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  Speaker 1: courts to address sentencing for property crimes and repeat offenders.
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  Speaker 1: Now when I read that, I think that's a serious
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  Speaker 1: It's in the report. First, Chiefdji believed the mayor should
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  Speaker 1: intervene with local courts to address sentencing for property crimes
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  Speaker 1: and repeat and from repeat offenders. Now what does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: Anybody with a sense about them realizes the mayor or
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  Speaker 1: cannot force a judge to do anything, but intervene can
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  Speaker 1: mean many things, like how about going out in public?
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  Speaker 1: This is something that you may Former Vice Mayor of
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  Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati, Christopher smithmans vented his spleen on
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  Speaker 1: for a like, well it seems like forever. How about
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  Speaker 1: supporting the police officers. How about making out loud statements
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  Speaker 1: about the prosecution and the judges on the bench. The
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  Speaker 1: mayor has a bully pulpit. He's the leader of the city,
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  Speaker 1: well the figurehead anyway, probably Sheeryl Long and Irish Rolli
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  Speaker 1: are really the leaders of the city. But we won't
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  Speaker 1: pay attention to that. All right, Mayor I have to
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  Speaker 1: have Purwall could go out and say, listen, this is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: We need tougher judges. See that's a message to the
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  Speaker 1: judges that are currently on the bench that you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Ei their jobs might be on the line if
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  Speaker 1: they don't start sentencing a little bit more, a little
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  Speaker 1: bit better, if they don't start holding criminals accountable. He
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  Speaker 1: can say that that applies pressure on the bench because
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  Speaker 1: they're going to be elected or not, as the case
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  Speaker 1: may do you think the left wing mayor of the
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  Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati, and dealing with woke judges, would ever
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  Speaker 1: go out and say we need to have judges that
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  Speaker 1: are tougher on crime. That flies right in the face
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  Speaker 1: of his entire political philosophy. Doesn't it soft on crime?
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  Speaker 1: These children are just grew up in bad homes. They
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  Speaker 1: can't be held accountable because they're not responsible for their actions.
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  Speaker 1: That's this woke leftist ideology, so he can't go out
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  Speaker 1: and do that. So the report criticized the Chief Dji
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  Speaker 1: because she doesn't understand the separation of powers. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the conversation was in terms of what she
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  Speaker 1: believed the Americ could do, but he does have the power,
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  Speaker 1: given his bully pulpit to make out loud statements in
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  Speaker 1: supportive police and also critical of maybe wolke prosecutors and
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  Speaker 1: woke judges for not doing any more effective job. That's possible.
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  Speaker 1: Chi Fuji did not explain how the mayor could impose
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  Speaker 1: any standard on an independent judiciary. Listen, saying it out
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  Speaker 1: loud is enough quite often, or at least give it
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  Speaker 1: a shot per of all. Maybe that's what she was saying. Second,
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  Speaker 1: Chief DG believed that the city should work with the
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  Speaker 1: Sinsina public schools to address student behavior, including holding parents
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  Speaker 1: responsible for student misconduct, but admitted to being provided a
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  Speaker 1: memorandum detail the legal and other challenges with holding parents
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  Speaker 1: responsible for student misconduct. It's a concept, why not get
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  Speaker 1: elected officials addressing some of the schools. Is anything wrong
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  Speaker 1: with that? It's an outreach program suggested by the former
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  Speaker 1: police chief or the inter or the administrative lead police chief.
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  Speaker 1: We're kind of in a state of flux on her
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  Speaker 1: title right now. And then you know, SIDN nine nine's
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  Speaker 1: gonna explain this whole safety plan that apparently she disregarded
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  Speaker 1: or not in the summer of the beatdowns. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's one thing after another. But witnesses believed, witnesses thought,
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  Speaker 1: witnesses has got a sense of and again a small
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  Speaker 1: slice of the entire police department their opinions used to
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  Speaker 1: reach a conclusion that you know what I think overall
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  Speaker 1: I read this there are different styles of management. Some
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  Speaker 1: people are happy with styles of management, some people are not.
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  Speaker 1: And in this world in which we find ourselves, can
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  Speaker 1: we find a point of agreement where everybody in the
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  Speaker 1: entire organization, your organization, the police department, the fire, fire department,
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  Speaker 1: anybody work in an organization where everyone has a uniform
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  Speaker 1: perception of the competence of management. Right, you'll never find
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  Speaker 4: Heell all everybody, how are we going? Jill miss our
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six?
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  Speaker 1: I heard radio mut five twenty one. If you have
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  Speaker 1: KCD talk station, Hey, look case Again's Alex Chevinski got
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  Speaker 1: dismiss right. State witnesses failed to show for the third
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  Speaker 1: time at Trevinsky's trials set to begin yesterday. Alex Dvinski,
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  Speaker 1: the man who was beaten up in the brawl the
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  Speaker 1: crazy ball that also involved Holly getting a cole cock
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  Speaker 1: to the face. The people irresponsible for beating the crap
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  Speaker 1: out of people are going to be on trial soon,
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  Speaker 1: and yes, Alex Dravinsky will be a witness in those trials.
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  Speaker 1: His case thrown out dismissed yesterday. Although there were some
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  Speaker 1: witnesses present in court, specifically two detectives and the police chief,
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  Speaker 1: state chose not to put them on the stand. Why
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  Speaker 1: because they were going to testify in favor of Alex Travinsky.
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  Speaker 1: I guess. Travinsky's lawyer said the state did not go
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  Speaker 1: forward with the other witnesses because none of the three
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  Speaker 1: thought Stravinsky could have been charging the first place. Remember
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  Speaker 1: that Allen County Prosecutor Pillag the detective, was on the
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  Speaker 1: scene at the beatdown. They wouldn't charge him. They don't
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  Speaker 1: believe he did anything. And of course, the video that
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  Speaker 1: came out, part involved Signal ninety nine posted it showed
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  Speaker 1: that he was not responsible and the only reason he
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  Speaker 1: slapped the other guys because he was basically acting in
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  Speaker 1: a bit of self defense. He had already been accosted
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  Speaker 1: and assaulted. And nonetheless, the current police chief, the guy
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  Speaker 1: that apparently, according to the Frost or the FBT Gibbons
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  Speaker 1: Law Firm report, is doing such a great job, at
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  Speaker 1: least in the hearts and minds of the handful of
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  Speaker 1: witnesses they talked to, he went ahead and issued the citation,
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  Speaker 1: of course, subjecting Alex Stravinci to months of concern and worry.
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  Speaker 1: And I presume that he also had massive legal bills.
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  Speaker 1: Lawyers don't work for free for the most part, although
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  Speaker 1: maybe he got a pro bon a lawyer. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Doug Brannon, one of his lawyers. You can ask Doug
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  Speaker 1: directly on that one. He could have and get a
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  Speaker 1: load of this in a city that's soft on crime,
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  Speaker 1: And I think we can all generally that conclusion pretty
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  Speaker 1: soft on crime. He was charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct
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  Speaker 1: contact for slapping one of the suspects in that brawl.
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  Speaker 1: He could have spent thirty days in jail and had
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  Speaker 1: to pay a two hundred and fifty dollars fine. Do
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  Speaker 1: you think anybody in the city of Cincinnati, other than
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  Speaker 1: this particular guy in apparently racially charged attack, anyone else
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  Speaker 1: who just merely slaps somebody and would be subject to
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  Speaker 1: a misdemeanor disorderly conduct do you think they'd even go
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  Speaker 1: through the paperwork of giving him a citation in front
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  Speaker 1: of one of these woke judges. If it was anybody
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  Speaker 1: but Alex s. Ttravinsky, do you think they would have
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  Speaker 1: even been sent put through the trial process? No, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna answer that question anyway. Kick, punch, stomped, and body
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  Speaker 1: slammed by a swarm of suspects, many of whom are
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  Speaker 1: now facing the phony charges. That was the reality of
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  Speaker 1: what happened at Travinsky. His lawyer said he suffered severe
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  Speaker 1: injuries twenty eight blows of the head, concussion syndrome, post
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  Speaker 1: traumatic stress disorder after being beaten and yes, robbed. The
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  Speaker 1: lawyer said, the footage that was actually circulated. You you
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  Speaker 1: only got the one slice of footage at the outset.
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  Speaker 1: This one made him look like some kind of evil racist.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Russian guy. He slapped that black man.
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  Speaker 1: That black man didn't deserve it.
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  Speaker 5: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's take a look at all the footage which
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  Speaker 1: ultimately came out and resulted, I'm sure in the missile
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  Speaker 1: dismissal of this case yesterday. But also you have to
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  Speaker 1: remember the witness that did not show up is also
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  Speaker 1: being prosecuted for being one of the people perpetrating the
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  Speaker 1: beat down. I suspect his lawyer probably advised him that
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  Speaker 1: he would either have to sit on the stand and
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  Speaker 1: take the fifth or that he would have to maybe
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  Speaker 1: admit to his own wrongdoing in testifying against Travinsky. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I wasn't involved in those conversations, but there's
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  Speaker 1: a layer in there somewhere. Anyway. The lawyer, pointing to
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  Speaker 1: the footage, says, it proves his client's innocence, shows he
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  Speaker 1: was hit before he slapped anybody. And again credit given
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  Speaker 1: a signal nine is going to join the program. At
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  Speaker 1: six point thirty Fox nineteen reporting video from Signal ninety
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  Speaker 1: nine showed Travinsky and another man having an exchange near
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  Speaker 1: a white jeep, showing the man hitting Trevinsky twice from behind.
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  Speaker 1: Several people came between the men. Trevinsky eventually walked away,
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  Speaker 1: but was seen kicking the jeep twice. Man in the
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  Speaker 1: red shirt identify Sinceely Police as one of the other
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  Speaker 1: seven suspects charge Jermaine Matthews was seen in the video
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  Speaker 1: hitting Tchervinsky before a group of individuals kicked and punched
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  Speaker 1: him while he was on the ground. Ken Kober, FOP
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  Speaker 1: president said the charge against Stravinsky was unwarranted, blaming it
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  Speaker 1: un politically motivated orders from this city and of course,
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  Speaker 1: current interim police Chief Adam Henny was the captain of
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  Speaker 1: the investigators at the time before he was promoted to
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  Speaker 1: interim chief. He signed the charge against Trevinsky, even though
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  Speaker 1: Fiji as police chief, Prosecutor Pillage and the others involved
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  Speaker 1: in the actual arrest and investigation would not sign the
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  Speaker 1: charges against Stravinsky. Nothing to see here, folks, Nothing to
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  Speaker 1: see here. Five twenty seven fifty five carsee de talk
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how old I was when that photograph
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  Speaker 1: was taken. Anyway, I have aged, my hair is gray,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I have wrinkles and jowls now. Anyway, this is the
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  Speaker 1: right there. They got a wall O beer. Anyway, I
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: will take advantage of that at some point today. First
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Energy corruption cases well ends. Nope, it's a deadlock, Jerry.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Some of Candy jurors couldn't reach a verdict and whether
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: First Energy executives committed bribery. Described as the largest public
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: correction corruption case in Ohio history, Jerry deadlocked on whether
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: former First Energy CEO Chuck Jones and vice president Mike
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Dowling bribed former Public Utilities Commissioned Chairs Sam Raan with
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: four point three million dollars to get beneficial rulings. One
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of the jurors spoke with News about this. There were
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: people who said that they weren't going to change their minds.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Most people thought they were guilty. That from juror Mark
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Boalgam speaking with the News, he said, though after nine
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: days of the liberation, the jury well couldn't reach any
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  Speaker 1: unanimous verdict. Stayed on its part, accused Jones and Dowling
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  Speaker 1: of bribing Public Utilities Chair Sam Randozo with that money
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  Speaker 1: and providing sixty million dollars more in exchange for passing
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  Speaker 1: House Bill six, the bailout for well First Energy parenthetically
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and you may know this by now. Randozo died by
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: suicide in twenty twenty four after pleading not guilty do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: dozens of charges. During the trial, defense ardud Randozo was corrupt,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: claimed that the payments to him were old consulting or
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't corrupt, there was corrupt, Rather claimed that the payments
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: made to him were old consulting fees for former First
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  Speaker 1: Energy clients. That they say randozoh stole nothing to see here.
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  Speaker 1: He just took off with the money. He didn't use
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  Speaker 1: it as bribe, so Jones Dowling. However, in spite of
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the fact that this was was a deadlock jury, they're
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: going to bring the case back. According to the reports,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: they will go after a prosecute him again. Jones and
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and Dowling both federally charged with racketeering separate case. They've
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: been accused of spending sixty one billion dollars to help
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  Speaker 1: create and pass House Bill six, so it's it ain't
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: over because I guess the fat Lady haven't hasn't sung yet.
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  Speaker 1: But ohiottorney J. Dave Jos posted YouTube videos saying that
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  Speaker 1: State of Ohio will in factory try the case. And
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the other interesting component of this is they didn't get
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: the state was deprived of some information. As the reporting
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: points out, jury went into deliberation without key pieces of
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: evidence that would have helped the prosecution's case not allowed
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  Speaker 1: to be brought up during this trial for whatever evidentiary reason.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Not only were they not told that First Energy as
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: a company already admitted to the bribery, pretty crucial piece
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  Speaker 1: of evidence, they weren't informed the former House, Ohio house
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  Speaker 1: speaker Larry Householder is currently sitting in prison for accepting
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: First Energy's bribe. That matter changed the jury's outlook on
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the particular case had they known that and pivoting back
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: over the local trial dates set for the man accused
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  Speaker 1: of stabbing a well known gym owner to death at
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: his home and over the rhine. I know you know
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: who we're talking about here. Mordisha Black, thirty eight years old,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: facing fourteen criminal counts, including aggravated murder and aggravated burglary
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Jerry trial set for September twenty first of this year.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: According to the court yesterday, that's my birthday. It's obviously
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. They had surveil with videos
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  Speaker 1: showing black walking down the street carrying a knife shortly
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: before investigators saying he broke into the home, ultimately killing
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Patrick Herringer. I had his widow on this program quite
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a few times, and God bless her. Sarah is just
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing woman, and she has taken this tragedy
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and tried to, you know, turn it into something positive
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: by helping other women and others who've experienced similar tragedies
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: in their life's beautiful, beautiful posts on Facebook from Sarah
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  Speaker 1: Herringer which it never hit happened of course, five thirty
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  Speaker 1: six right now fifty five KRCITE talk station stack is stupid,
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  Speaker 1: including what is bimbofication. Christy Nolmes husband can tell you
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  Speaker 1: all about it. Five forty one fifty five KRCD talk
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  Speaker 1: the phones. I do have stack and stupid. My apologies
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  Speaker 1: to Jay. I looked up on the call screen and
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I do see that there is a caller on hold there,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: but there's no name associated with it. Joe did put
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the name in, but didn't show up on my screen. Normally,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: when that happens, if there's no name there, that means
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that there is someone who has been banned from the
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  Speaker 1: fifty five Casey Morning Show trying to call in in
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: spite of the fact that Joe has told them don't
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: bother calling anymore. Jay, My apologies to you. I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was was one of those people because there was
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: no name there. But welcome back to the fifty five
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  Speaker 1: Carsey Morning Show, my friend.
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  Speaker 6: No apology needed, Brian. Let's let's we can both agree.
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: I probably deserve it or you know all not. No, no, hey,
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: I wanted to build on your your your your introduction
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: there about the Alex Stravinsky trial and the beat down, yeah, and.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: It getting thrown out.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: I just did a quick search on FBI Hate Crimes Unit,
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: and this is what pops up. It says hate crimes
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  Speaker 6: are the highest priority of the FBI Civil Rights Program
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: because of the devastating impact they have on families and
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: communities and it goes on from there. Now, I'm not
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: a fan of hate crimes. I think crime is crime.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Crime is crime. I agree with you completely.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: But since it's on the books and the FBI will
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: insert themselves to stick the knows and you know, any
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: minor fender bender that that happens anywhere, it seems like anymore.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: And there is a FBI office down in Cincinnati, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: you know, the overwhelming evidence that the people doing the
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: beating and the people getting beaten the the it was
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: statistically significant off the chart that the only difference was
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: the color of the skin. And comments that happened before
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: the beatdown were like, you don't belong here.
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  Speaker 2: The lack of action.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, Ladies and gentlemen of the FBI Cincinnati office, if
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: you happen to be listening, why don't you just.
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  Speaker 2: Codify what this really is? That that's that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: Hate crimes are are are one way it seems like
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: because it would if it's on the books. And if
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: you guys like to get involved in all this stuff,
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: where are you and do you have anything to say?
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Or we're just going to keep our heads down and
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: mouth shut because this doesn't fit.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: The narrative or or or why don't we just rewrite
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the law all together.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: And when it's when it's when it's white on when
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: with white people are the perpetrator then to hate crime.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise we just keep our mouths shut. So that's what
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: that is. We'll be honest and enough to say so.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't say that out loud because it will
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be an unconstitutional application of race in connection with crime.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: So you can throw that theory out. And then there's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the whole concept of quote unquote prosecutorial discretion. Just because
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: there's a law in the books doesn't mean that law
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: enforcement has to enforce it. This is the idea that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, this has been a concept that is going
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: on forever. It's like federal marijuana laws. They quit enforcing
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the federal Schedule one ban years ago. They just ignore it.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: It's still on the books. They could take you to court,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: federal big boy court for possessing weed, but they choose
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: not to do it. The world's moved on and gotten
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: away from it. So new administration, new sheriff in town,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: they may choose to enforce that as it relates to
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: maybe racially motivated white on black or black on white.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: But they don't have to. So I think you're stuck
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: in the quagmar. But you make a great point. This
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: is the reason I think hate crimes are ridiculous. If
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  Speaker 1: you beat someone up, I think the beating in and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: of itself evidences you probably hate that person, or at
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: least have a strong dislike for him. There's it. Did
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: you commit a crime, Yes, you beat them up. Is
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: it necessary to describe a specific or particular motive for it?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: So prosecute them.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all there is to you know, watch it
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: because because when you don't prosecute, like in this particular case,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it raises red flags that might cost someone like Jay
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to point it out right, Jay.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yet, exactly right.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: And in any conclusion, don't vote Democrat and more importantly,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: don't vote Rhino. And as we get into this primary,
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: read the names of the Blue twenty two and let's
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: get that name recognition out there and help.
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  Speaker 2: Them not get re elected.
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  Speaker 1: You got it. Thanks for everything, Brian, appreciate it. Jay.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Thanks for holding on over the brake there since I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: didn't see your name up there.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: And we will be talking about the election. Sherry Poland
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: from the Bard of Election is going to join the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: program at eight too of five to talk about the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: polling locations redistricting changes from May fifth primary election. So
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that's coming up along with jud Jennen of Paul Tonne.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: That's in the eight o'clock hour, preceded by Steve Belzer
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: from the Cameron County Veteran Services, Donovan and EO for
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Americans for Prosperity about early voting. Good time you can
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: bring that topic up. Jay Dave Williams, the taxpayer of
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a text alliance on a whole bunch of topics, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I have to ask him about the DC street car
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  Speaker 1: getting shut down and yes, Signal ninety nine coming up
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  Speaker 1: at six thirty. Great show lined up, Thank you Joe
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  Speaker 1: Strecker and a great product for you to get Odor
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  Speaker 1: Exit od O r I fifty five KCD talk station Stack.
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  Speaker 1: Oh stupid Joe Strecker's calling a Barber streissend flag on
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this one. He doesn't believe it. Widely reported A Daily
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Mail reported that Christy Nomes husband was leading a secret
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: life of adult role play and apparently there is a
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: flag for this one Byron or Brian Nomes b r
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Y n They say his fetish appears to be what
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: is known as bimbo fication. Never heard of it before,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: but apparently it's wildly popular, at least in the aftermath
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of the Daily Mail article talking about bimbo fication. Basically,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it means turning yourself into the most hyper feminine, barbie
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: like version of yourself. So picture yourself men with a giant,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: giant like quadruple de faux breasts on your chest. You
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: can add a little makeup and wear panties too if
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you want. Anyway, I love this article from the New
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: York Post. Men are also now embracing the cank, although
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: it's women who are typically the ones that are hyper
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: sexualizing themselves. Men often wearing fake breast or temporary feminine
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: enhancements to feel as ladylike as possible. Now there are
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: photographs circulating around purported to be Byron Noam, Christy Noam's
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: wife or a husband wife. Is that a Freudian slip,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: so believe it if you want. The article is hilarious.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: How is bimbo fication different than cross dressing? The immediate
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: response in your post think of bimbo fication as cross
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: dressing on steroids. Okay, let's about gender identity, more about
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: playing a role and exploring sexuality or self expression online? Yeah? Whatever,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Where do men get into bimblification? Where do they gather?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: They asked the grehetorical question porn hub. Pornhub searches show
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: these communities are far from niche. Again, I think they
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: have a flag. Porn sites apparently let creators monetize content.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Joe, would you actually pay to see some
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: other guy wear fake breast online?
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: No?
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I know the answer to that question. Why do you
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: keep bringing papus up when we ask questions like this?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You think he would drew pappas? Would you pay for
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: content like this? If you're out there anyway? Byron Brian
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Noham allegedly sent thousands of bimboification videos. Sports from The
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Daily Mail revealed that mister Ice Barbie, I guess that's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: what he went by, allegedly spend over twenty five thousand
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: dollars messaging sex workers who specialize in bimbification. If you
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: cross dress, are you automatically transgender or queer? They answered
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that question. So I'll let you go to the New
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: York Post and work your way through all the answers
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to those questions, maybe even order a flag. Go to
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Fort Wayne, Indiana, where a man's been accused of leude
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: conduct at a hobby lobby. His name David Sewell, charged
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: with misdemeanor publican decency because he apparently exposed and pleasured
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: himself in front of a hobby lobby.
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: Employee would get delivered that's nalty, so we could get
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: int the penalty box all by himself.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Employee identified Sewell during a photoway a lineup. They had
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: video camera of this guy going in various locations and
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I guess doing the same thing anyway. During the interview,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: police said that this man came into the store of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: the day of the incident and followed her for about
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: four hours then and began exposing himself in front of
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: her while she was in one of the aisles at
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the hobby lobby and that's when she turned when she
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: got when she turned away, he ran out of the store.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Apparently he had a thing for hobby lobbies. We stayed
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: in Indiana. We got Evansville for this. One man in
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Indiana accused of stealing a bud light truck, leading authorities
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: on a chase. It's forty one year old Randall Baker
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: stole the truck three in the afternoon from a liquor store.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: He refused to pull over, led police on a chase.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Deputy use stop sticks to try and stop the truck.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: They say that was when Baker uhh hit the Sheriff's
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: patrol vehicle and crashed into a field. Pressly said Baker
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: refused to get out of the truck. Deputy said he
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: use a pepper ball rounds to get him out. Taken
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to the hospital for minor injuries from the crash. As
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: opposed to the pepperballs, Thorty say his blood alcohol content
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: was point one zero three, just a little bit over
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the legal limit. Fortunately, the deputy whose car was hit
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: was not hurt. Now facing charges of attempted murder, auto theft,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon, resisting law enforcement, reckless
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: operation of a tractor trailer, and of course driving well
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: intoxicated idiots doing idiot things because they're idiots, no doubt
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: about it. Point one zero three is that drunk enough
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: to do something so stupid as to steal an entire
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: beer truck? Apparently stick around signal ninety nine, coming up
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: with a six thirty Her analysis of the well Police
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Chief Fiji report. The hindsight is twenty twenty report, and
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: of course the city debt impacting the police department. Signal
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: on the talk station say six to eighty five kr
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: CD talk station. By the time I was switching everyone
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: a very happy Wednesday and invitation to the Liberty Collective.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: They're fired up about listener launch coming there today. So
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: thanks to Liberty Collective for agreeing to have us there,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and I hope you can make it. Bring a friend,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: have some fun, get some of the great food there
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: from the five different restaurants under one umbrella, and massive
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: quantities of beer with the wall o beer. I just
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the idea of thirty self served beers on the wall again.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Interested in seeing that one coming up bottom of this hour,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine returns to talk about the Chief Thiji report.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I went on a tear about that. You know, opinions
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: are like sphincter's. Everybody's got one. And when you take
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: thirty two officers from a contingent of roughly seven hundred
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: or so and you ask them for their opinions, with
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the use of twenty twenty hindsight, well you can come
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: up with a negative report about police chief Diji's opera
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a management style, and that's exactly what happened, including the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: conclusion that well she can't be police chief again, boiling
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: it down to its embarrassed elements. So signal ninety nine,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: multiple page analysis of that quite the spleen vent signal,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: looking forward to heaving her on the program bottom of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the hour to break it all down for us, including
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: the idea of cutting money from the Cincine Police Department.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: We've coord We talked with ken Kober here in the
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Morning show a couple of days ago FOP President Ken
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Kober responding to the proposed six point five million dollar
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: cut to the police department. Dave Williams taxpayer protection line,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Dave Williams, FDA costs are soaring. He'll be on at
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: seven oh five talk about that, along with permanent quote
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: unquote pilot programs. That sounds uniquely government, doesn't it. Pilot
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: program it's going to be permanent, will always fund it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Sports betting and local taxes three subjects with Dave Williams,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And of course got to have a comment about the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: DC streetcar closing down for good, providing us with a
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: great illustration of what we could do in the City
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati to show up our budget problems. Yeah, let's quit
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: paying for the street car to run since very few
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: people run it and it doesn't really bring about any
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: any pluses for the city. Ah my thoughts and comments,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: of course, I'm entitled to them. They're like sphincters. Donald
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and Neil Americans for Prosperity seven thirty Early voting coming
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: up in April seventh. Steve Belzo from the Klimont County
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Veteran Services returns to talk about emergency care and the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: VA that'll take place after Donovan goes off at seven
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: point forty. Speaking of elections, Sherry Polling from the Board
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: of Elections, I handle county polling locations, redistricting changes. We'll
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: talk about that with her again for the upcoming primary election.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And finally, Judge Innapolitano mixing religion and politics. Hope for
• 36:13
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  Speaker 1: idea and a solution to the problem. Steve Gooden yesterday
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  Speaker 1: our legal expert on the city's twenty nine million dollar
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: budget deficit. He's not only our legal expert, he was
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  Speaker 1: a former councilman, so he's got some insight into that.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course I mentioned FOP President can cover there.
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  Speaker 1: It is on these six point six million dollar CPD
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  Speaker 1: cut that they are facing over too or ask you
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: a question, is it worth being in NATO. I know
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: this concerns a lot of people. Oh my god, Donald
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Trump's going to ruin a relationship with all the NATO countries.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And of course some of the things he says might
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: suggest that maybe that's the point of it. When we
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: go back to his demands of the NATO countries pony
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: of at least five percent of the gross domestic product
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: because for years and decades, I might point out, they've
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: just let their militaries go by the wayside. Why because
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: we're there trillions of dollars we have paid to build
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: military bases just basically to provide the police force for
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the NATO countries while they go about their merry socialist ways,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: pursuing green energy policies, open borders, watering down cultures, all
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that's going on in the European You gotta wonder, Wait
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a second, if we started from scratch and we started
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: entering into relationships with countries who we play nicely with,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and we are willing to provide a defense mutual defense.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: We'll play nicely with you. You defend us if we
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: get attacked, and we'll defend you if you get attacked.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: We all plan together for our mutual defense. Well that's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: all well and good, but would you enter into that
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: relationship with the NATO countries now if that relationship never
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: existed before? Ask yourself this question. Well, wait a second,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: what do they provide to us? We've got the world's
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: biggest military and it costs US gazillions of dollars annually.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: This spent expense week, it's like what a trillion dollars
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a year defense spending and they're asking for more every
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: single year. Well, a lot of that money goes to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: defending the NATO countries. Are we prepared to continue to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: spend that we would we be willing to enter into
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a new negotiation or a new contract with them, effectively
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that would provide that level of defense with the understanding
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that they couldn't provide a reciprocal defense to us. That'll
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: be a completely one way street, now, wouldn't it. Well
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that's where we are now. If we ended our mutual
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: defense obligations, the world will still go around, and we'd
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: still trade with them. There's a lot of countries in
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: this world we have trade agreements with, we actually trade
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: with that we don't have a mutual defense obligation for
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: why did that show up in the first place. Of
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: course the Soviet Union. Now does Russia represent a Soviet
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: style threat to the European Union? I think they think so,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: whether or not we do. Whether or not, it's in
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: our best interest to enter into a defense agreement with
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: them when they can't defend us in times of need,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: which is basically what the United States, or Donald Trump
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: and Marco Ruby your claiming right now. Listen here, we
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: are in a time of need, and you guys won't
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: do anything. In fact, you're not even helping us. You're
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: refusing US airspace Spain. We said just yesterday the president
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in our country, Rubio did. We'll have to re examine
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: all of this after this operation is over. But one
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why NATO is beneficial to the United
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: States is that it gives us basing rights for contingencies.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: It allows us to station troops, aircraft, weapons, and parts
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: of the world that we wouldn't normally have bases, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: that includes much of Europe. And to see that in
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a time of need, the United States has identified a
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: grave risk to our national security and our national interests,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: and we needed to conduct this operation, and we have
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: countries like Spain, a NATO member that we are pledged
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to defend, denying us the use of their airspace and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: bragging about it, denying us the use of their bases,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: and there are other countries that have done this as well.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: So you have to ask yourself, well, what's in it
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: for the United States? Legitimate questions now, is it beneficial
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: for us to have the bases there? Going to the
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: point that Rubia made, yes, because it allows us the
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: station troops there and then use those as a springboard
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: to go on military adventures that we think are the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: right thing to do, like bombing the Iranians. That benefit
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: is eradicated if the host country doesn't let us use
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the base effectively, So what's the point? And it's not
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: just Spain Also Switzerland and Italy as well as France
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: have also sort of taken this approach, although softer than
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Spain's out loud hell no approach. Again, more and more
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of these NATO countries with whom we have a mutual
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: defense agreement are saying basically, we're not there to support you.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And by the way, one of the motives for your
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: providing this mutual defense agreement, we're taking away from you,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: you can use the base. I don't know how this
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: unfolds look going forward, but I do understand the point
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that's being made, and I certainly appreciate that there might
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: be some nervous people in the world, like, oh my god,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the status quo is being interrupted. Oh my god, We've
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: had these long standing relationships since post World War Two.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: You're going to interrupt that. What's going to happen to us? Well,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I think the point of even this discussion nothing. We're
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: not losing really anything by getting out of a mutual
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: defense agreement because the reciprocal benefit isn't there. It's worth
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: talking about anyway. Six point fifteen fifty five KR see
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about, you know, this Middle East shift.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: We've got military bases all over the Middle East. If
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: you look at maps of the bases that we have
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: that are in the general Middle East area, they're all
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: over the place. They're being bombed, of course, that's how
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you have a map of them. Look, the Iranians hit
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: this particular base. We've got bases in Saudi Arabia, for example.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Is that the new NATO kind of focus. So we
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: lose if we got out of NATO and we lose
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: this sort of strategic advantage of having bases within NATO
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: countries that are in close proximity to Again, remember the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: old Soviet Union, We needed our stuff there. Modern times,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: we've got modern weapons, we've got hypersonic missiles. We also
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: have a growing number of military bases that might even
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: be a better location to deal with the existential threats
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: that we think we face China and Russia and of
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: course state sponsors of terrorism like Iran. So you got
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: real close proximity to those countries. So if you lose
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: NATO and the bases there, of course that saves us, Yes,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars. Moraine, You're right, it would save us
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars. You just shift the focus to the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Middle East area. Donald Trump laid the groundwork for that.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: We've got the Abraham words of course, that assured these
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Middle East countries playing nicely together. It looked like that
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: was going to get some steam and maybe more countries
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: will join in. In the aftermath of US bombing the Iranians,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: many of the Arab nations there have all stepped up
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to the plate saying, yeah, we need to get rid
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: of this Iranian threat. Doctor United Arab Emirates about it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: They're all in favor of going boots on the ground.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: They don't like the Iranians ruining the party. So maybe
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: there's a new focus there. I don't know, just speculating
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: at this juncture, but I certainly see the reason for
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Trump's criticism of our former well quote unquote allies. Let's
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: see what CJ's got. Hey, CJ, thanks for calling this morning.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday to you, my friend.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Oh good morning to you as well. And you know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: one thing that is certain in life, change is always
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: going to happen. And those who are unwilling to change,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: it's you know, it's adapt or die is as it
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: has been commonly known over the.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Last number of years.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: And the reality is is that the European nations are weak.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: They just are.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: They give into everything, they don't they don't stand up
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: for themselves.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: We pay for their health care.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Their free healthcare comes from the fact that we have
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: bases all over Europe, and Spain is just totally gone
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: into I don't even know what. And I would tell
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: you something if you look at our allies who are
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: the who stand behind us the most right now. It
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: is the Eastern Europeans such as Poland and Czechoslovakia. It
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: is also the Japanese. There is no other country on
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: the face of this earth that is a better friend
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to America right now than the Japanese. They embrace our culture,
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: they love us, and they are a part of where
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: we're at.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: And their defense too. They're also growing their military and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: building their defense.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Exactly without us pushing them. They're wanting to do this
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: on their own. And then the other one is And
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know how much I trust the Saudi Kingdom
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: or I trust the UAE in Bahrain and Oman, but
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: I will tell you they have been far more.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Understanding and wanting to help.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Us and do the things that we want than anybody
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: else in.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: This world right now.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: And we have to understand that our friends today may
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: not be our friends tomorrow. And what is happening in
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: the Middle East right now is those countries understand what
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: the power of Iran has been and giving away a
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: bunch of free oil to China, a bunch of free
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: weapons to Russia. And if you want to end Russia Ukraine,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: you destroy Iran. If you want to prevent China from
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: going into Taiwan. You take out Maduro, you take out Iran,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: and this world will be completely different. And it also
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: should tell you something that the UAE will not even
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: send their children anymore to England to be educated because
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: they're scared they're going to come back as radical Muslims.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: What world are we transports to?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Different universe or something along those line has completely changed it.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: If we're not willing to embrace it, we are willing
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: to collapse.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: You know, points all well made, all well made. And
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you know if we could wave our magic wand that
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: we bring about an end of this Irodian situation, they
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: would be wiped out. The straight of horror moves be
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: wide open, and that would benefit who European Union, right,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: that's his job. Donald trust point the other day one
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: of the reasons they've gone down this perilous path. I
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: guess European Union doesn't have its own oil, So go
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: get your own damn oil. You have set yourself up
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: in the European Union to be reliant on the straight
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: of horror moves for your keeping your lights on. Thank
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: you green energy folks. Isn't that so nefarious that in
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: pursuit of this insanity that they call climate change, that
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we're gonna stop climate change by basically bringing the wheels
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: of business and industry to a screeching halt. They put
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: them themselves in a position of absolute peril that a
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: rogue Iranian funder of terrorists, fundamentalist, ideological religious country can
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: stranglehold the European Union basically or at least a lot
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: of our NATO allies. They did that to themselves. Meanwhile,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: all the above strategy that it was embraced by Donald
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Trump in his first term and of course in his
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: second term, the idea that capitalism and those evil capitalists
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: out there have unlocked a world and a wealth of
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: natural gas and oil that nobody knew was even in
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: the ground fracking on private land. We don't need no
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: government approval. We are a net exporter of oil. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when we had peak oil
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and we were all gonna die because it was going
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: to run out. Huh, technology to the rescue. That same
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: thing saw the global population problem. We're all going to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: starve to death, was the mantra from back in the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: late sixties and early seventies. Oh my god, we're all
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: going to starve to death. Now technology came to the
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: rescue different farming techniques, fertilizers. It's amazing what technology can do.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: We do not live in a static world. Six twenty
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• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to signal ninety nine. Great to have you
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: on this morning. Good morning, real quick, I understand you
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: found Waldo. You've been having to go at aftab Perval
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: who has been missing in action, didn't even bother showing
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: up at Opening day parade, and yet where was he?
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Just the other day popped his head out of his
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: hole in the ground Signal ninety nine.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: Well, he was raising the transgender flag for the city,
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: of course he was.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Well, that reflects his priorities, and now we can dive
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: on into his priorities, which include the placing police Chief
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Fiji on administrative leave and then going back and hiring
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a law firm to figure out a reason why she
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: was placed on administrative leave. That report just came out,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: described as a confidential memorandum from FBT Gibbons LLP, and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: they basically decided to go, well, how many people did
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: they interview to do this report? Signal ninety nine. How
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: many first off total officers are there? There's roughly seven
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: hundred or so, since a police officers.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Now there's more than that, okay, But more importantly, they
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: interviewed people that wanted to be interviewed right, came forward
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: to interviewed. And the whole thing is farcical. That is
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: not their report, that's just their summary. So we're never
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: going to see their actual report. I highly doubt we'll
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: ever see who actually sat down and interviewed with these
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: people gave their names and then getting through you know,
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Chief Fiji under the bus while at the same time
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: holding up interim chief Henny, how great everything is now
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: that he's there.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, I found tremendous fault with that, because you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: the the idea that she was placed on administratively relates
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: to her conduct, while the operating is since I policed
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: chief for the one year that she was in that role,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with whether someone out in
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the world might have been a better chief. We can
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: all make arguments over who's better and who's not. And
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: the point I was making with regard to the total
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: contingent of police officers in the hundreds, let's say eight
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: hundred roughly or whatever, they only talked to a very
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: small percentage of them, roughly thirty or thirty two. They
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: said they started with forty two witnesses, but not all
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: of them wanted to talk to them. Some declined to
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: participate or respond. So, going to your point, which is
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: my point, we all have opinions about our bosses. Who
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: among us hasn't criticized management when working in any organization,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: we all have better ideas.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and not only that, if they truly wanted to
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: be transparent, Okay, why didn't they just send out a
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: survey to every CPD officer, every member of the rank
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: and file that they could have completed anonymously and submitted
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: their thoughts and their feelings about Chief DG's leadership. Why
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: didn't they do that? I mean, we paid them enough money.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: They could have certainly done a survey monkey sure so.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: But my favorite thing, and that Barcacle report, is them
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: saying that she couldn't she was unwilling to accept the
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: help from the state because of the collaborative agreement that
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: makes that. I actually laughed out loud at that. And
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: then Cheryl Long's email to the rank and file, I
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: laughed at that. I mean, the whole thing is ridiculous.
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: It's not funny at all. But the lengths that they
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: went to to try to legitimize getting rid of her,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: it's ridiculous. I mean, it is shameful.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Well, let's pause, We're bring Signal ninety nine back. Talk
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: about some of the details in this as well as
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: her reaction to the proposed budget.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: See the talk station.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Six nine thirty on KCDY Talk Station. Bryan Timas was
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: a Signal ninety nine and go to Facebook and find her,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: and you should. You can read her entire breakdown and
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: analysis of the summary report as she emphasized this memorandum
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: from the law firm that was looking into the reasons
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: why police Chief thes you might have been placed on
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: administrative leaf since the city didn't have one, and in
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: astute observation, you made signal ninety nine. You point out
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: right here, over thirty five years of exemplary service to
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: the CPD, she has a you got a historical law
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: enforcement career, pristine personnel file, no documentation, a documentation of
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: any type of disciplinary action against her, perfect evaluations, never
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: had a single evaluation as a chieved. So no, not
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: even an opportunity to bring this stuff to the extent
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: there is anything there to her attention. They let her
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: go and the mayor praised her, touted her several times,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: and that she's doing a great job. I mean nothing,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: but everything's fine up until the moment in time she's
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: put on administrative leaf. Chief Thesy, what is going on
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: with this one? What's the politics behind this?
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: Well, the politics are she was sacrificed to save the
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: mayor and city council's re election. Did It's just that simple.
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: They claim that he failed to control the violence because
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: of what they call the brawl downtown last July. But
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: you know what, the interim chief failed to control the
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: violence on opening day. True, And I'm not trying to
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to take a slam at interim chief, Henny. No,
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: I'm saying that these things happen. And let me tell
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: you what, not a single juvenile was arrested on opening day,
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: not one.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I thought we had a problem with juvenile crime in
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Well, we have a huge problem with juveniles.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Do you think that has something to do they don't
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: prosecute them.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, cutting the CPD by almost seven million dollars, It's
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: not going to happen, Brian, I'm going to tell you
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: right now, there's no way it's going to happen, especially
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: with us rolling up in the summer.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Well, looking at the role of police chief and what
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the chief is capable of doing and not capable of doing,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how anybody can blame a police chief
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: for unruly behavior basically a violence outbreak. And along the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: lines of what we saw last summer which led to
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: her being placed on administrative leave, what are they arguing
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: she should have done ahead of time that would have
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: maybe made that whole ridiculous crime thing disappear and not happen.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, what could the chief have done?
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: Well, you know it all comes down to this. The
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: mayor platformed on defunding the police. Okay, we all know
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: that it's not a secret, and that's exactly what he did.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: You have a bunch of community responders now, but we
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: don't have enough police officers. The mayor also, when he
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: was Clerk of courts, told a bunch of democratic judges
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: in a judicial meeting that they would lower bail or
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: no bail and softball sentencing on crime or he have
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: been primary. So when in the report when it says
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: Chief DG wanted the mayor to go to the judges
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: right and how fix the judicial issue, that was a
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: very real ask of her because he's the one that
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: created it. Well, he created the judicial failure that we
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: have right now.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Well, and that is in this sort of summary report. First,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Chief DG believed the mayor should intervene with local courts
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to address sentencing for property crimes repeat offenders. Now I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: read that, and if she suggested that, I know and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: everybody with a measure of sanity or a couple of point.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: IQ knows that the mayor can't force a judge during
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: sentencing to do anything specific. That's just the judge's sole purview.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But he could suggest out loud in a public forum,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: using his bully pulpit, that judges need to be harder
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: on crime, they need to deal with juvenile crime, they
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: need to issue sentences or higher bonds, whatever the case
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: may be, treat criminals like criminals, and serve as a
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: message to the rest of the would be criminal public
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: that you're going to get caught and you're going to
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: be prosecuted the full extent of the law. That is messaging.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't do that, I guess, because it flies in
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: the face of what he actually wants, which is soft
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: on crime judges, right, correct.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: But he did just do that when we had the
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: mass shooting down at Riverfront Live. He did come out
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: and say, oh, this is preposterous, you know, blah blah
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: blah blah blah judges blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, Okay,
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: send poor good Betty. Well do you believe everything?
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Day late and a dollar short. Had he gotten ahead
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: of this issue earlier on, he would have had a
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: record to stand on that he was interested in judges
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: meeting out harsher sentences. I suppose, so, oh, he's going to.
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: Go down as the worst mayor in the history of Cincinnati.
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, well, I think I think he's already won that.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: But that's just me. I'm a little bias.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Hold on, though, let us go compare that comment to
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: this report. You have hundreds and hundreds of police officers.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: You take take about thirty of them from the largest
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: from the larger pool, they're going to come up with
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a conclusion. You have hundreds of thousands of residents of
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati, who, if polled, might render the
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: same conclusion as you did. But if you hand pick
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: a small segment of the population, maybe the followers of
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: iris Roli, they're going to sing the praises of aftab Pervoll.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe those in the LGBT community who were there for
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the unfurling of the transgender flag by Mayor Aftab Pervoll,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: they're going to sing his praises Signal ninety nine.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: Exactly. You know, it's all cherry pick. It's blowney, Okay,
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: it's the whole thing is ridiculous. It is I am
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: embarrassed for this city that we spend almost fifty thousand
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: dollars on this BS investigation of cherry picked people who
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: had an act to grind against cig to throw it
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: right under the bus. Come on, put your money where
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: your mouth is. Released the entire investigation. Let us see it.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I think given that the report concludes that police Chief
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Thiji shouldn't come back to the job, they will be
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: putting their money where their mouth is when she sues
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: them for presumably wrongful termination or loss of employment, loss
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: of reputation, everything. We're going to continue with signal ninety
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: nine because there is a connection between the dismissal of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the case against Alex Stravinsky and this whole report. Station
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: it is six forty nine. If you got Kercut talk
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Station Broyd, the time was signal ninety nine breaking down
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: the summary report we received Ondiji's dismissal. I call it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: dismissal administrative lead placement. Obviously you have a problem with it.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I did too. It's all very subjective. Just a small
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: number of people made the ultimately determine the fate of
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: police chief THEGI. In so far as the conclusions from
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: this law firm but one of the things that's involved
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: in this the dismissal of the Alex Stravinsky case. The
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: man who slapped one of the brawlers in that downtown
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: brawl last year just slapped him because basically it was
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: a self defense act. He had been attacked and molested
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: and beaten up a little bit before that happened. So
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: he got charged nonetheless, And he got charged because well,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the mayor and the city manager and Iris Rowley as
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: well as other council members forced the city solicitor to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: charge him. They were not going to charge him. Police
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Chief Fiji, the detectives that were involved in the investigation
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: didn't see anything to charge him with, and so that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: became reality yesterday when the case got dismissed. Your comments
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: on that signal ninety nine.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: Even Connie Pillage, Yeah, it's probably the worst prosecutor we've
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: ever had in the history of Hamla County said, there's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: it's a nothing biscuit. We're not going to charge him.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: And so what they did was they overcharged him. So
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: the disorderly conduct charge that they chose carried thirty days
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: of jail time if convicted, up to thirty days, and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: so yeah, they promised everybody, Oh, he's going to do time.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: No he's not. And here's why. Because Interim Chief Henny
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: is the one that signed the charge. Why if Ez
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: refused to sign it, the two detectives investigating the case
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: refused to sign it. They were fully prepared to resign
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: that day if they were going to be ordered to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: sign charges. So Captain Henny at the time came in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: and signed the charges so that he wouldn't lose two
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: of his best detectives. Okay, now fast forward. How do
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: you go to court? Well, if Chief DG and the
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: two detectives are witnesses for the defense and Interim Chief Henny,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: what's he going to say on the stand? Yeah, I
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: signed charges for a case I never investigated because I
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: didn't want two of my detectives to resign. I mean
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: he would if I were him and I had to
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: go to court on that, I'd probably plead the fish
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: because I mean, how do you get your how do
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: you worm your way out of that? You know, it
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: was altruistic why he did it, but he did it anyway.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: He did.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah to detected Yeah, he could have said no as well.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: And here's the thing. If they had all said, no,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: what was the city going to do?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: I know, if the city fired them because they refused
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: to charge someone because there was not evidence of a crime,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: then they have more lawsuits on their hands, wouldn't they
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're going to have a doozy with Alex.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: I can tell you that he's he's going to sue
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: them the Kingdom come and I hope he's listening, and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 5: good luck to you, Alex. I fully expect that lawsuit
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 5: to drop probably this week.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Alex Krunsky versus the City of Cincinnati. Do you think
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: there'll be specifically named individuals in that one or just
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the city generally speaking? Signal ninety nine.
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  Speaker 5: Well, if I was his attorney, I would to the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: city and I would sew Dottie Johnson and Damon Lance
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: and Iris Rowley and the mayor.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 8: And.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 5: I would go after all of them individually too, the
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: ones that pushed for it the hardest and the ones
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: that made public announcements that this was going to happen.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Well, and you know what, wouldn't it be a beautiful
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: thing if that lawsuit does get filed and they get
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to do discovery, they get to swear witnesses in and
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: depose them and we then will find out all that
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: went on behind the scenes, or they'll just outright live.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: But I think it would be very beneficial to the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: residents of the city Cincinnati. You know exactly how this
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: unfolded based on witness testimony in a civil suit. That'd
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: be cool.
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  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, And not to mention, Cheryl Long is awful
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: at depositions. He is horrendous at depositions. So I've like
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: to know how you know he Fiji who never got
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: a review or a write at her if her performance
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: was so poor? Right, like I said in my article,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: how come there was never a come to Jesus talk like, hey,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: chiefj you better get your act together. We're putting you
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: on a performance improvement plan or you know, a disciplinary action.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: If she was doing such a bad job, why was
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: the mayor praising her well?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is to that point, how is
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: it that they needed to retain an outside law firm
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: to figure out that things weren't going well behind the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: scenes under her administration. If they knew all that, they
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have given her pats on the back and and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: and praise up until the moment in time when they
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: decided they need to get rid of her for political reasons.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: They had nothing. They didn't even come out loud and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: say we suspect we've had lots of reports of, you know,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: the leadership being in terrible She's a she's a dictator,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: she doesn't listen to anybody. Nothing. They could have said that, no.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no they and they didn't. It was a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: nothing biscuit. Then it's a nothing biscuit. Now it's all
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: supposition and conjecture, all of it.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, And what's going to come of the six point
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: or six million plus cut almost seven million cut from
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: the to the police department. Is this I don't know
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: it is budgeting time? Is this like a threat? I mean,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: are they Are they really saying we're going to cut
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: police funding when we have all these different organizations, non
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: governmental and otherwise and stupid pet projects like green solar
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: arrays that they're putting money toward eight million dollars for
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: the River Bend project. Can they really justify a cut
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: to the police Department of these trying times Signal ninety nine.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: Before we part company, Absolutely not, especially coming into we're
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: coming into the warmer weather. The gang violence never stopped
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: through the winner. The juvenile violence is just starting to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: kick off. It's just going to be a free for all.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: And the Siegic falls weren't big trouble, big, big, big trouble.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Well one things for sure, we know you will be
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: letting us know about it before anybody in local news
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: will know about it. Signal ninety nine on Facebook. Thank
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: you for your time of late and you talked to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: local media all the time. You were specifically cited by
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: local media. You are a powerful influence of the city
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: of Cincinnati and I'm glad to have access to a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: conversation with you. I know my listeners are as well.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Thanks again. It's seven oh six here fifty five Karsity
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  Speaker 1: Talk Stations subsidenting our regular tool bumber music for the
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: streetcar theme. You know what's coming next from Protecting Taxpayers
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: dot org, which is the website for Taxpayer Retextion Alliance.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend Dave Williams. It's always a real
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: plague to have you on the fifty five Caroseite morning show.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: Good morning, Brian, and you play that music. But DC
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: doesn't have a street car anything.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: That's why Joe cute it up. I saw that. Yes,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, I can't wait to talk
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: to Dave Williams, the Taxpayer Text Alliance about it. What
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: was it two miles long? Wasn't it few miles long?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: Two hundred and twenty million dollars to build?
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that out loud. It makes it sound
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: like Cincinnati got a deal on it's a streetcar.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: Such a bargain for Cincinnati.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: So I guess when faced with the realities having to
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: maintain and upkeep that streetcar, pay people to run it
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: when no one was on it, they decided to pull
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: the plug on it, even though they had previously invested
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that kind of coin to put it there in the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: first place.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Ten years in one month.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: And I remember back ten years ago when the Taxpayer's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: Protection Alliance we released a report talking about the cost of.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: The streetcar, and not just building it, but the marketing costs.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 9: They were giving away free Frisbees, Well free taxpayers paid
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 9: for thee and it cost them one hundred and seventy
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: thousand dollars to build a website for the streetcar.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: No, I am not kidding you at all.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: That's insane. You know, my son has done many websites.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: He's a computer geek expert kind of guy, and it's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: sort of a side thing he has done to pass
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: his websites. It never really took him a whole lot
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: of time to do it, and he never charged much
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: money to get it accomplished. That's not rocket science anymore, Dave.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: He's probably kicking himself, probably thinking, yah, I could have
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: built that streetcar website for eighty five thousand dollars.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Well, he's a chip off the old man's block that
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: he's not one that's going to go out and search
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: for government contracts, even though might a near to his
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: financial benefits. Anyway, congratulations, though, I'm getting the plug pulled
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: on that. At least it's going to say the DC
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: taxpayers some money.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 9: It is, And listen, this has been my white whale, right,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 9: I mean for the past ten years.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: In one month, it's been my white whale.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Have a celebratory cocktail. I'll even pay for it, Dave,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: to send me the bill, all right. Pivoting over the
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: things that Dave Williams is always looking for. He and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: the team at Taxpayer Protection Alliance insane government spending, so
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: putting aside local spending on that we have a new
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: TPA report finding FDA costs are soaring with drug rejections rising.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: What's behind this one, Dave Williams.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, this is this is incredible, is that the FDA
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: is becoming slower and more unresponsive even though it's getting
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: more money, more money from taxpayers, but also more money
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: from industry, from pharmaceutical companies.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: The FDA is not doing its job, Brian.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 9: And you know, over the past you know, fifteen twenty years,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: we have seen amazing progress in medicine. And listen, I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: know the controversy about the vaccines, and I sympathize with
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: the controversy in vaccines because that was done so quickly
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 9: and approved so quickly. But you know, we have medicines
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 9: that have been in the pipeline for years. It takes
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 9: what ten to twelve years and about two billion dollars
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 9: to approve a drug, and anything can stop that that
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 9: whole process. And it's frustrating because the FDA has an opportunity,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: whether it's gene therapy, you know, so many cutting edge
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 9: technologies and it's just lagging behind in approving these.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: I thought with the Make America Healthy Again agenda that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: this and this this day. This is not a so
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: prize to you that it takes a long time and
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars to get a drug approved. This is
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: something been going on for years and years and years,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: but that it exists as a problem. The I guess
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: concerning thing is that this administration hasn't done anything to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: streamline the process that sounds consistent with a Trump administration
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: type of plan or or policy.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and when you look at the FDA, they have
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 9: these thresholds that a drug has to be ninety five
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: percent efficient, not safe.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: We're not talking. I mean safety obviously is job one.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: Right you have to be.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 9: But you know, when you have efficacy of a drug
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: at ninety five percent but it gets rejected because of
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: that ninety four point eight percent, something's wrong with the system.
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  Speaker 9: Something is absolutely broken in the system. If that's what
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: The solution is it that simple just to flip the
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  Speaker 1: switch and make it ninety or make it less than
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: ninety five percent or more than ninety five percent, depending
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: on your perspective on it. I don't know. Somewhere someone's
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: going to say, well, wait a second, there has to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: be a cutoff, and what is it? Is it arbitrary, Well.
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  Speaker 9: It's arbitrary, but then you know right to try and
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: saying okay, if it's ninety four percent, you know, just
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: so you know, full disclosure, this drug is ninety four percent,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: but you can you can still use it. Or if
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 9: this drug has been approved in the other countries that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 9: we trust, you know, the UK, Germany, Japan, they have
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: very rigid standards. Why do we have to reinvent the
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 9: wheel in this country if we have other countries that
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 9: have approved medication.
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  Speaker 1: And wouldn't that serve as a massive country based clinical
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: trial if they've approved the drug and their population is
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: using it, presumably in large numbers compared to US where
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: we haven't approved the drug. Yet, we have statistical examples
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: about how many people get sick as a consequence of
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: using any given drug. Do they use that evidence when
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: considering it here in the United States?
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  Speaker 4: They do not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great, Absolutely, that makes no sense.
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  Speaker 9: No, and again, this is about the consumer. It's about patients,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 9: it's about healthcare. It's not about the FDA. And the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 9: FDA is a standing in the way. And listen, I
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 9: understand the desire to make America healthy again. I understand
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 9: the desire to get you know, this nonsense out of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: our foods, right, But I think what we're they're not
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 9: seeing the bigger picture here, and there's no real reform
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 9: of HHS or the FDA.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Well, what specific steps can the FDA and Congress make
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: to improve the drug approval process and expand access? Is
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: it simple?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: It is?
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  Speaker 9: Well, first, the reciprocal agreement that we have with other countries.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 9: And again I'm talking about trusted countries. You know, not Botswana.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 9: You know, we're not going to take a drug just
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: approved in Botswana. But you know when you're talking about Japan,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 9: UK and Germany, you know, these are trusted partners.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: These are trusted countries, and I think that would go
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: a long way.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: And you know, breaking down the ten to twelve year
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: approval process. There's got to be a better way to
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: do this.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Well, other than tradition. What's standing in the way of this?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I presume the pharmaceutical companies are all over your suggestion,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: Dave Williams.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: They are.
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  Speaker 9: And you know, we always think that the pharmaceutical companies
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 9: have such strong weight when it comes to lobbying, but
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 9: in reality they don't because look at this process, and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 9: it's really the FDA bureaucracy and now Brian, this is
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 9: every bureaucracy in the government is they expand they don't contract,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: and you never see a bureaucracy gets smaller. And you know,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 9: if you're at the Department of Commerce or Department of Transportation,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 9: you don't see the mediate effect of it. But FDA
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 9: it's so you know, it's so sensitive, and we see
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: that immediate effect of these drugs not being approved.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: So a shorter, more streamline approval process means smaller government,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: which means the people who are currently standing in the
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: way and overseeing these studies are going to lose a job.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: So this is all about protecting government employees.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 9: Some people want to protect taxpayers. Other people want to
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: protect government employees.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: How about RFK Junior, the MAHA guy, the man's behind
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: this whole craze is has he said anything about these
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: proposals that you're talking about, Dave Williams, are about the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: slow process that over the that the FDA has and
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: in approving drugs.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: He has not. He absolutely has not. There's been nothing
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: coming out of his office.
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  Speaker 9: And he has a really obviously big platform to talk
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 9: about this, yes, and could make a huge difference in this.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: And you know, one of the problems with RFK Junior
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: is that he has ties to the legal industry, the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: tort industry where they've been suing drug manufacturers. So his
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: I think it's his son and don't get you know,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: I don't want.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: To, but Dave that the lawsuits can't go away. He's
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: not changing the underlying torte law. If they approve drugs
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: maybe too rapidly, that seems to me it's going to
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: be a feeding frenzy for the PLANEFFS bar out there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: So, I mean, listen, there's a lot of things going
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: on behind the scenes that just aren't good for you know,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 9: for the country and for for taxpayers and consumers.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Now, his taxpayer protection line is given the weight that
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: your organization has and you do have. They reached out
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: to RFK and asked specifically his comments on your thoughts
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: on this.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 9: We have and what we're doing is we're also submitting
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: Freedom of Information Act requests trying to figure out just
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 9: exactly the chatter behind the scenes on a number of
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 9: issues at the FDA and HHS.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: And right there there's a contribute button at Protecting Taxpayers
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: dot Org. It takes money to get these things going,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: and I encourage my listeners to consider that contribution when
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: they're overt checking out the website for the Taxpayer Protection Lines.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Dave Williams pause, will bring it back and we'll talk
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: about permanent pilot programs. Sounds like we're continuing a theme
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: about government, and then sports betting and local taxes before
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: we get to Americans for Prosperity. Donald O'Neil at the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: bottom in the hour and at Talkstation at seven nineteen
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD Talks Station. I always enjoy hearing from
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Dave Wollyams from the Taxpayer Protection Lines, and I encourage
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: you to check the website out and bookmarket and find
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: out what they're doing for us each and every day
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: of the week, protecting taxpayers dot org, pivoting over kidding.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Nothing so permanent as a pilot program. And this is
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: the thing that really irks me, including using the tax
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: code to manipulate people like we saw with the Affordable
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Care Act premium tax credits. Oh here, there's going to
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: be no premium. That just means you and I are
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: paying for a Dave. But it's got an expiration date.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: But lo and behold, when the expiration date comes, they
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: want to extend it, and extend it and extend it.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: Just one of a multitude of illustrations of this, Dave.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so it sort of has an expiration date, right.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Congress does this knowing that they're going to extend it.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 9: And the reason they do this, there's a number of reasons,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 9: but the biggest reason is it's all sleight of hand
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: fiscal chaicanery. Is that they say, Okay, these tax extenders
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 9: are going to They're going to expire in twenty twenty five.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 9: So the way we when I say score, the way
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 9: we're going to cost this to the government is a
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 9: certain dollar amount because.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: It's going to expire. Nothing never expires.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 9: They do this so it makes the budget look better
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 9: in five, ten, fifteen, twenty years. And this is how
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 9: they passed the budget, saying, well, the deficit's not going
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 9: to be that bad because these things expire. They never expire.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 9: Like you said in the ACA, the Affordable Care Act
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 9: premium tax credits. Man, if that's not the poster child
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 9: for what's happening here, nothing else is. Because you know,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: there's supposed to be a temporary expansion under the American
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: recue plan of twenty twenty one.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Based upon the COVID. Right, this is a COVID thing.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: So COVID is not a problem anymore. We have it,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: We have a vaccine for that, Dave. So COVID is
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: not a problem anymore. And yet they want to continue
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: extending these tax credits which were built and predicated on COVID.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 9: So uh, and then and then increases subsidy levels after.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is the thing.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 9: You know, COVID is gone and now the extension is
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 9: still here and they're expanding the ACA credits. So this
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 9: is something that happens. And you know, we talk about
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 9: demonstration projects a lot of time with spending. But like
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: you said, the tax provision and these tax extenders, they're
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 9: as bad as earmarks because tax extenders go to certain
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 9: industries and certain companies. I mean, it gets down to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 9: the micro level where it goes down to certain companies,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 9: and these are ear marks, Brian, These are tax earmarks
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: that are just as bad as spending earmarks, if not worse.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: No question about it. So going back to the original
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump tax cuts which had a built in expiration date,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: which were extended inshrine permanently later, is are you telling
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: me the reason there was an expiration date in the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: tax cuts. I always thought it was I guess who knows,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: But you're saying is because the CBO scoring.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: It was CBO scoring.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 9: It was Pelosian, the Democrats wanting to get something out
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 9: of the tax bill, but mostly it was done because
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 9: of CBO scoring. And you know, it's funny if you
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: look at budget documents from the federal government, they have
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: these things called out years, which is ten years, fifteen,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 9: twenty years down the road as to what something will cost.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 9: And John Kasik, who everyone in Ohio, it was very
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 9: from Kasic.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: We remember, yeah, twenty years ago.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 9: He said, I have never seen an out ear when
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 9: it comes to budgeting. Is that they have these plans
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 9: for twenty years, but I have never seen an out ear.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 9: So he had a moment of clarity back in the day.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they also have a way to mission creep these
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: kind of things like if you start with reparations for
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: like this number of people with this finite amount of money,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: then you know, damn well did about about a minute
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: in time forward that's going to expand to a much
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: broader program with a whole lot more money and be
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: permanently enshrined.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: Flipping over, how Brian try to try to take that
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 9: away from somebody, trying to take that extension, that expansion
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 9: away from someone, and it's they'll screen bloody murder.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you never get somebody to remember what life was
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: like before they created this large jess from government. How
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: do we manage to survive without it? Anyway? Over to
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: sports betting, which, fine, go ahead and bet on sports.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's crazy. It's obviously resulting in some real complications,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: most noted like in college basketball, point shape becomes a
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: thing when the individual playing the game can be impacted
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: by sports betting. But how does sports betting harm local
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: government revenue?
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so listen, I personally don't want an eighteen or
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: twenty two year old kid determine how much money I
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: have in my pocket.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: You know, he may be breaking up with his girlfriend
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: and going through so you know, I'm good.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: But if people want to bet that someone might be
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: familiar with that individual's porn surfing habits or something else
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: and threatened to reveal them to the world unless he
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: shaves that he misses that three point bucket on purpose.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: But listen, people, bet. I get it. It should be
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: done legally.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 9: It should be done, you know, because a lot of
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: people will bet with the black market and you have
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 9: zero protections. And what happens is states go, Okay, we're
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 9: going to allow this to allow sports betting, and we're
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: going to raise the taxes. We're going to have a
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 9: really high tax. Well, people are going to go back
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 9: to the black market. And we see that there's a
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 9: certain point, you know, right now, the average rate is
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: about fifteen percent on sports betting in the country. Right
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 9: New York is fifty percent.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: Oh well, guess what. They have a bigger black market now, yes,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: because it's so expensive to bet.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 9: And that's what's happening, is that the money is not
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 9: getting to the local government, it's not getting to the
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 9: state government.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: Is that people aren't changing their behavior.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 9: Well, they're changing their behavior to the black market and
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 9: not legal sports betting.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: And if my grandfather, the one who I didn't know,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: my dad's father, passed away when dad was eighteen, he
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: fed the family not because he owned a bar, but
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: because he was a book maker. Bar serves as a
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: convenient place for people to go and place bets. That
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: would be the black market the days referring to. So
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: when they're taking fifty percent of whatever it is you're
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: betting is taxes, then you're going to go over to
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: my late grandfather Pat in place the bet with him.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, And that's why there's this sweet spot of taxation
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 9: right is where people will still engage in that activity legally.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 9: And again, states are always pushing the limit, always pushing
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 9: the envelope, and it's really a lazy way to bring
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 9: in revenue.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: That doesn't bring in revenue.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: This is a fool's gold.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 9: And this is happening in Maryland where they just raised
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 9: the cannabis tax, the gaming tax and lo and beholds.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 9: Six months into their budget, the revenues are below so
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: and I hate to use Maryland as an example, but
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 9: I have to because they want to bring in five
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 9: hundred million dollars this year in the new gaming tax.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 9: They're projected to bring in one hundred million because of
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 9: the tax that they raise, of how much they raised it.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: But this is across the country, every state.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: There's always that sweet spot and once you go above it.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: You're in trouble.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 9: I was going to say another word, but I'll be
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 9: fined by the sea.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: No that's okay. Just ask all the people that fled
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: California and New York and other places for lower taxation.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: If you put high taxes in the way, someone's going
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: to look at it and say, you know what, there's
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: a better place out there. Same thing with sports gambling.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Interesting reality. Dave Williams Camebram fifty five, KROC the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: in June. I love you, Kevin. Anyway, without further Ado,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: let's talk to Donovan and Neil. He's a senior advisor
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: and he's got his AFP Action hat on this morning
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: and you can find AFP action at AFP action dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Americans for Prosperity, donal On Neeil, Welcome back to the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Morning Show.
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  Speaker 2: Brian always great to be with you.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to have you on and a big
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: thanks in upfront for all the work that AFP does
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: to help people, make it to make it easy for
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: people to help get involved with elections here in the
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: state of Ohio. It's so important and every little bit accounts,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: as you always point that out. We got early voting
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: kickoff coming up. What's this one all about, Donovan?
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  Speaker 8: Well, that time of years here, Brian, it's not just
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 8: spring showers. We got to get out and get the
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 8: vote out. And you know I describe but as you me, Joe,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 8: we're weird, right, We eat, sleep, and breathe this political stuff.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 8: We're always paying attention to know when these things are.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 8: But most of islands, most Americans, you know, they're just
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 8: trying to make ends meet with the bills, get the
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: kids to soccer practice or my case, kids to theater practice,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 8: and you know, they they're not plugged into what's you know,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 8: entirely going on, or how to cut through the noise
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: that is, you know, political ads season. And so that's
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: why our get out the vote efforts so important to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: make sure that we're connecting Ohioan's right on the issues
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 8: that matter and we do that through door to door canvassing.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: April seventh is the beginning of early vote, and so
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 8: we're going to go out across the state and do
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 8: a big get out to vote drive to help remind
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 8: folks that whether you vote early, vote by mail, or
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 8: vote in person on election day, we want people to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: make a plan to vote, and you've got thirty days
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 8: to do it.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of obviously, AFP Action is a more conservative
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: leaning organization, so you're not out campaigning for the likes
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: of Shared, But do you hand out like recommendations like hey,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: you got to remember the judges are on the ballot too,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: and here's a list of judges or a specific recommendations
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  Speaker 1: as you go door to door, or it's just just
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: generally talking about voting.
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  Speaker 8: No, we actually talk about the candidates we endure. So
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 8: on Afpassion side right, talk about John Houstad and his
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 8: his record the last eighteen months representing us as our senator,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 8: and what's what's at stake, the ballots, power for Congresses
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: at stake, and so reminding folks of that.
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  Speaker 2: And then on the AFP side right that that team is.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: Out there letting folks know about the folks who are
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 8: going to represent you in Columbus, and primaries matter. As
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  Speaker 8: we well know, Brian, there's a big difference between you know,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: we're across the spectrum of Republicans and so called conservatives.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: We make sure to get out there and talk about
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  Speaker 8: the folks who are going to fight to lower taxes,
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  Speaker 8: cut red tape and regulations, and empower families with school choice.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know vv Gramosolm. He's got the whole
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: idea about property tax and obviously huge topic here in
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: oh iow but his platform is to roll the property
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  Speaker 1: taxes back to where they were before COVID kicked in
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: and then cap them at a rate of inflation. That
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: seems to be a brilliant suggestion compared to I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the situation we're living with right now here in Ohio.
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  Speaker 8: Well, the situation we're really with right now in Ohio
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  Speaker 8: is untenable. You know, I get, I have the blessing
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 8: of travel in the state. You have the blessing of
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 8: hearing for folks across southwest Ohio and bringing them on
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 8: your show to talk with them.
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  Speaker 2: We all know what the problem is.
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  Speaker 8: Here in the state. We need bold leadership that's going
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  Speaker 8: to actually address these problems and do it in a
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  Speaker 8: way right that doesn't shift the burden to a different
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 8: type of tax or Ultimately, you know, we've many services, police, fire.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 8: I kind of like knowing those services exist, yes, in
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 8: a questionable state.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Well, we all appreciate our police and fire here on
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: the Morning show too. Talk about issues and challenges we're
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: dealing with here on a local basis in the city Cincinnati. Dave, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my word. I guess you do get word about
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: stuff like that too, don't you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that you know.
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  Speaker 8: I think that the thing I saw on that is
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: AFTAB just can't the mayor can't take a day off.
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  Speaker 2: But I think there's a bigger problem than that.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: I think it comes down to leadership at the city
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  Speaker 8: level and they need to they make some serious changes.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 8: The voters in Cincinnati probably do.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they missed the memo about it. Speaking of voting,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: and your your kick on early voting is get people out,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: remind them that there is an opportunity to vote. The
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: primaries matter, the elections matter. If you'd only gotten the
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: AFP Action crew out there in full force in the
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: downtown Cincinnati area, maybe more than one of the four
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: voters who are registered might have shown up to vote well, and.
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  Speaker 8: That's part of you know, beyond just this effort we
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: do here right now, right, I'll put a plug in.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: You know, we have some grassroots leader development programs. We
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 8: bring folks to Columbus, We spend multiple days investing in
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: them to help them become grassroots leaders at that local
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 8: level where they can impact these things. Right, we don't
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: just we don't just we're not just the X. You know,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: we don't try to just be the experts who tell
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: people what to do. You know, we like these them
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: up solutions. We want you know, if there are folks
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 8: listeners that you have on the show, Brian, who want
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 8: to take actions, who want to make a difference in
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: the community, they just don't know quite yet how they
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 8: need to get plugged in with us because we will
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: help equip them to be difference makers in their community,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: run their own get out of the vote programs, run
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 8: their own grassroots organizations, and it gets resolved, It has
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 8: an impact, and we'd love to have.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Them join with us.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: And the call to action to do just that is
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: go to AFP action dot com.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, that's you can learn all about our endorsement
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 8: for Senator John Houston. How to get involved and make
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 8: a difference this election. Our country needs it.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Our country definitely needs it, and I appreciate AFP and
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: everything that you and the folks at AFP do each
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: and every day. Donald'neil. Will get you back on again
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: real soon, probably next week, and we'll help more listeners,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: help you to help us collectively. That's what it's all about, Donovan.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: I hope you have a great weekend and happy Easter
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: to you you as well, Brian, take care, Thanks my friend,
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  Speaker 1: don't go away. Steve Belso, Clemer County Veteran Service is
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  Speaker 1: going to time care se the talk station. It's seven
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  Speaker 1: forty two. I have kc DE talk station. It's time
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: for Steve Belso from the Clemic County Veteran Services to
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: talk about emergency care in a non VA facility. Steve,
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  Speaker 1: it is great having you back in Man. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: again as always for what you're doing for the.
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  Speaker 10: American Veteransorney, it is great to be with you, you.
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  Speaker 1: Your crew, the Klemic County Veteran Services, and of course
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  Speaker 1: a shout out to everybody at the VA who's serving
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: our American veterans. To the best of their abilities. But sometimes,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: as I understand it, veterans have to go to a
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: non VA facility, and that sure sounds like out of
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: network provider for US straight to you know who didn't
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  Speaker 1: serve the American military.
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  Speaker 10: It's well one, yes, it is right, Yeah, it's life.
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  Speaker 10: And so if I'm out of the Cincinnati area and
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 10: I happen to be traveling down to Florida, as most
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 10: retirees do, why I don't know, I want to go
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 10: to Alaska. Nonetheless, it's your choice. When you're out of
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 10: state and out of our area. Who knows you're a
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 10: veteran with VA Healthcare and.
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  Speaker 1: All the VAS aren't hooked up to some central computer
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  Speaker 1: that says, yeah, this guy that came in with his
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  Speaker 1: DD two to fourteen discharge and signed up for VA
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  Speaker 1: healthcare benefits in Hamilton County or Claremont County or any
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  Speaker 1: of the other areas, they don't have a note a
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  Speaker 1: record of that elsewhere.
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  Speaker 10: Not that's in transition. So whole another conversation.
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  Speaker 1: They're moving in that direction, though, Is that like a
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: glimmer of hope? There not even a.
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  Speaker 10: Glimmer of hope that that is happening by location, and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 10: so Serna was purchased by Oracle that sold it to
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 10: the VA so that all the VA facilities can have
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 10: a connection through our great cloud. Right, it's not floating overhead.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 10: So now I can go from VA facility to facility
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 10: and oh there's Steve, right, I see you, instead of
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 10: being stovepiped into your VA locale only. Okay, but this
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  Speaker 10: is this is more really the the emergent topic today
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 10: is about I'm traveling down seventy five and I'm in
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 10: the middle of Georgia and my chest just starts killing me.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 10: Your arm is right, yea, I need to pull off
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  Speaker 10: at a hospital. Well, I'm not trying to find a
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 10: local VA hospital to go to exactly. It's an emergency.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 10: So I'm going to take the first hospital I see. Now,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 10: in Cincinnati area, most hospitals know are you a veteran?
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  Speaker 10: And to call the the Cincinnati VA. The problem becomes
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 10: when we can move out of our area locally, most
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 10: hospitals are not asking you are you a veteran? Do
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  Speaker 10: you have VA healthcare?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 10: And so it's up to the responsibility of the veteran
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  Speaker 10: or the veterans family to contact the VA within seventy
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  Speaker 10: two hours.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Steve's going to continue on this very important
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  Speaker 1: subject matter when we return. It's seven forty five right now,
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  Speaker 1: County Veteran Services, Steve bell Zone Studio, the executive director.
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  Speaker 1: He is providing great services the American veteran and it's
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  Speaker 1: a great first stop for veterans issues out there, maybe
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: even getting signed up for VA benefits, getting to your appointments.
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  Speaker 1: Clement County Veterans Services does it all, and God bless
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  Speaker 1: them for it. So going into getting emergency operative word
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  Speaker 1: care at a non VA facility. Your example, Steve was
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: maybe on vacation in Florida. You got a grabber going
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: on while you're driving a car. All you want is
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  Speaker 1: the nearest hospital. It's not a VA hospital. So you
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  Speaker 1: go there, you get your emergency treatment. That is not
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  Speaker 1: to say you can go to an urgent care facility.
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  Speaker 1: It needs to be an emergency facility.
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  Speaker 10: That's right, absolutely, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of proving that it is in fact a medical emergency,
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  Speaker 1: not just local. Well, well was right there I saw
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  Speaker 1: trying to walk on it.
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  Speaker 10: If it's non emergency base, then you would find a
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  Speaker 10: local VA facility, which you can do outside of state.
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  Speaker 10: But if it's an emergency, the VA wants you to
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  Speaker 10: call nine to one one. Yeah, preferably right, instead of
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  Speaker 10: driving yourself, or have a spouse or someone of significant
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  Speaker 10: interest take you to non the closest hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say it that way. Those circumstances, when met, results
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  Speaker 1: in the VA paying for the services at an n
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  Speaker 1: VA facility. Correct, correct, They there's a caveat to this though,
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  Speaker 1: isn't all.
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  Speaker 10: Welcome to life?
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  Speaker 1: I know it's this government run, So I just say
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  Speaker 1: it is right.
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  Speaker 10: And so here's here's the misnumbers that most individuals don't
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  Speaker 10: know if they have VA healthcare, especially those who use
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 10: the VA for one hundred percent of the healthcare their
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 10: primary care physician. Uh, they're part of a pack team somewhere,
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  Speaker 10: and I have one never been told this. I learned
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  Speaker 10: this by a veteran coming to our office saying the
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  Speaker 10: VA is not paying for my husband's two weeks in
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 10: the emergency room, and my service officer says, have they
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 10: called the VAKA number?
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  Speaker 1: Red flag for VA families out there? Here's here's the
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  Speaker 1: ultimate point on this. Yes, you'll get the payment covered,
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  Speaker 1: but what do you have to do to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that happens? Steve Belzoup, that's right.
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  Speaker 10: You need to call if you can find if you're
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 10: at a VA, ask them for the community care card
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  Speaker 10: because on it is a phone number. It is eight
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  Speaker 10: four four seven two four seven six four to two.
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  Speaker 10: And I suggest veterans and your spouses take a photo
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  Speaker 10: of this that you have it resin on your phone
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  Speaker 10: or save it as a phone contact number. So if
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 10: the veteran loved one is actually in the v VA
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 10: system for healthcare and has to visit the emergency room,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 10: it's imperative that they let the hospital know they have
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  Speaker 10: VA healthcare.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so right out of the gate the first step.
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  Speaker 1: The second step is while they're getting the emergency care,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: hopefully it's short term turnaround, they're in and out, they
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  Speaker 1: can call this VA number. Now you said the number
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  Speaker 1: was eight four four.
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  Speaker 10: Seven two four seven two four seven eight.
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  Speaker 1: Four to two seven eight four to two I just
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  Speaker 1: want to make sure it was repeated to my veteran
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: friends and families can get that down. So what happens
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: if you don't reach out to the VA and call
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: that number within seventy two hours?
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  Speaker 10: Now you've got a I won't call it a fight,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 10: You're not promised. It becomes from will to question a right.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 10: So it's how it's filed.
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  Speaker 1: Most hospitals in our.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 10: Cincinnati area know to report to the VA and ask
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 10: are you a veteran? However, it's always best to double
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  Speaker 10: up the effort and ensure that someone from the family
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  Speaker 10: is calling the VA.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, it's a pleasing thing to hear that our local
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  Speaker 1: hospitals typically asked the question whether or not they're covered
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: under VA. Does the hospital unilaterally then contact the VA
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  Speaker 1: for the family. So I just want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: we're clear on this. Is it the norm for them
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: to do it? In other words, this condition, this phone
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  Speaker 1: call has been satisfied by a hospital that asks whether
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: you're covered by the VA.
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  Speaker 10: Never take it for granted.
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  Speaker 1: I going to say that it's upset.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's one of those things. Double down on something
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  Speaker 10: like this. Hospital emergency rooms are expensive.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: Right, right, and of course, the hospital wants to get paid,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: so it's in their best interest to call the VIA
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: because that's where the reimbursement's going to come from. It is, however, you.
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  Speaker 10: Don't know of the discipline and the initiative of the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 10: individual that was the intake in the emergency room to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 10: follow through to notify the VA. So I would, because
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 10: of the cost of these things ensure for me. Hey, Mama,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 10: have this card. It is a photo and I want
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 10: you to call it within seventy two hours. What if
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 10: I'm incapacitated. What if I did have a heart attack
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 10: and they put me in a coma automatically, I can't
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 10: tell her. Hey, make sure you call the VA, right,
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  Speaker 10: So this is for the family members as well as
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 10: a veteran to know this number, because a family member
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 10: can call the VA on behalf of the veteran to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 10: notify them. My dad, my husband, my uncle is currently
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 10: an emergency room, just arrived here and he's contacted and
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 10: you may have to know his last four is his
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 10: social but somebody immediate famili's got to know that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Having practice in the insurance coverage at REALM Law when
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: I was practicing law, whether or not something is truly
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: a definitional emergency? That quite often is it none until
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: you get in there and they determined that, well, it's
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: not an emergency. Is that going to be a factor here?
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I think I'm having a grabber heart attack,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: the go in and it turns out no, you have gas, right, right,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I won't know that until I go into the emergency room.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: But it may be deem non emergent situation.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: You won't.
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  Speaker 10: But however, somebody had to validate that in the emergency room. Okay, right,
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 10: you're not a physician, neither am I. I would rather
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 10: be gased and someone bend me over, like maybe then
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 10: it actually be a heart attack.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have no argument on that, Steve, Sure that safe?
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: Some people don't want to have the gas attack. They'd
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 10: rather have a pillo under their tongue.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound like that's going to be a
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: really a big problem for someone. So if you clearly
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: are not in an emergency situation, you're not going to
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: have it covered in an a via facility. But if
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: you do go in you believe it's emergency, maybe it
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: is maybe no for.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 10: Mental health, right, So we go to the compo act. Right,
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 10: that's automatically tied in. It's mental health. Stay there, we
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 10: want to get you. Well, the VA is not going
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 10: to come grab you out of the hospital either. If
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 10: you go to the emergency room, you're not contacting them.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 10: So they send the ambulance over because we're going to
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 10: take you over to the VA. No, they want to
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 10: ensure you're stabilized.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: Right, all right. Joe Strekker will add this information with
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: the blog page fifty five care Sea dot com. But
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: remember the number eight four four seven two four seven
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: eight four to two. Get the card, the community Care
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: card from your VA. Go to the Clarmont Cutty Veteran
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: Services and get their help. It's all there for you.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Take advantage of it, and yes you will be covered
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: as long as you take the proper steps. And that's
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: why we have Steve Belzo absolutely God bless you, sir.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Have a wonderful Easter man, Happy.
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  Speaker 6: Year is well?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, here's Risen, thanks brother, take.
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• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: everybody to lunch. They're going to be at Liberty Collective.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: They're excited about showing up. Showing up there today about
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: eleven thirty. You can show up real early. Their coffee
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  Speaker 1: shops opening at I think seven o'clock point, so it's
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: open and welcome back. It's been a little while, but
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: it is coming up on election time. We've got a
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: May fifth primary. Write it down in your count and
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: make sure you vote. Welcome back to Sherry Pulling from
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: the Hamilton County Board of Elections. It's good having you
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: on the show this morning.
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  Speaker 12: Good morning, Brian, it's good to be here.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Start with a thank you to you and all the
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: folks at the Hamilton County Board of Elections. It is
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: my experience and I'll praise you for it. A very
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: well oiled machine at the Hamilton County Board of Elections.
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  Speaker 1: I think your location is great. Parking is easy, and
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  Speaker 1: even if there's a line around the corner out the door,
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: that line goes very very quickly, but sadly, not as
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  Speaker 1: much of a line we have primary season. Not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of folks take exercise their freedom to vote and
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  Speaker 1: their right to vote. But that's what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about today because there are some changes that we're
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  Speaker 1: having to deal with this year. Let's start by talking
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  Speaker 1: about the polling locations and redistricting changes that are taking
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  Speaker 1: place this year.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, so in the Hamilton County, we consolidated some of
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  Speaker 12: our smaller polling mote. So what that means is we
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  Speaker 12: eliminated a small location and moved those voters to a
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  Speaker 12: nearby existing polling location that might be a little larger
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  Speaker 12: facility that is able to accommodate those voters. And we
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  Speaker 12: did that because we, you know, take a look at
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  Speaker 12: our budget and we see where can we create efficiencies
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  Speaker 12: and and and sort of cut cut down our spending
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  Speaker 12: a little bit, and we realized that those smaller locations
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  Speaker 12: were just not very efficient. So by consolidating them, we're able.
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  Speaker 12: You know, that's fewer pull workers we need to recruit, train, pay,
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  Speaker 12: you know, it's it's less equipment voting equipment that needs
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  Speaker 12: to be delivered and tested and prepared. And so we
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  Speaker 12: did this as you know, a way to be be
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  Speaker 12: more efficient.
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  Speaker 5: You know, as you just.
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  Speaker 12: Mentioned, early voting in person at the Board of Elections
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  Speaker 12: is just increasingly popular, and so we don't that means
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  Speaker 12: we don't have as many folks voting on election day.
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  Speaker 1: And I understand in getting through the whole process. It
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't take that long to get a voter, you know, registered,
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  Speaker 1: and give them their their their ballot and modern technology
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  Speaker 1: and matching signatures with photo IDS's I understand why you
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  Speaker 1: would consolidate these polling locations. You did that recently. I
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  Speaker 1: had a prior polling location that was at the Good
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  Speaker 1: Shepherd Church and you moved us down around the corner
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  Speaker 1: of Montgomery Montgomery Road, which is equally convenient. It's not
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: that much farther away, but one stop, and I think
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  Speaker 1: you got rid of several different polling locations by putting
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  Speaker 1: in a one spot. So it works out fine. No,
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  Speaker 1: not as many poll workers though. That's great because you're
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: always running short on poll workers, Sherry.
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  Speaker 12: It is difficult to recruit poll workers. We know it's
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  Speaker 12: a long day, so you know, anything we can do
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  Speaker 12: to help with that, we're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to take a look at doing fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're going to be sending you the Bard of
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  Speaker 1: Election is going to be sending out a postcard notice
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: about where people should be voting the current polling location.
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  Speaker 5: That's correct.
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  Speaker 12: Those are in the mail stream as we speak, so
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 12: voters should be seeing those any day now appear in
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 12: their mailboxes because we've had these changes. Now, not everyone's
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  Speaker 12: polling location has changed. Actually, only about nine percent of
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 12: the voters in Hamilton County will see a change to
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 12: their polling location. But we just thought, you know, we
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  Speaker 12: want to make sure every voter is well informed and
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 12: there's no confusion. So in the abundance of caution, we
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 12: decided we're going to mount every registered voter that notice
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 12: that postcard will tell them they're precinct where they go
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 12: to vote, and their voting districts. Because something else that
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 12: has changed this year's some again not all, but some
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 12: voters about twenty three percent will see a change in
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 12: their congressional district. The state did some tweaking of the
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 12: congressional lines, and again some of those voters will be
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 12: voting in a different congressional district this election near. So
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 12: we wanted to make sure the voters, every voter was
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  Speaker 12: informed of their voting districts.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know my listening audience is quite informed on
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: who they'll be voting for, but that's not always the
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: case because there's a lot of folks out there that
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: don't even know who they're represented is. So where can
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: people find this out? Okay, I guess is there still
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: time to register to vote or update name and address
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: for the for the primary election this November. I'm sorry
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: this upcoming.
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  Speaker 12: Election, upcoming primary election. Yes, May fifth primary. There is
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 12: still time, but the deadline's fast approaching. So in order
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 12: to register or update your registration, you need to do
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 12: so by Monday, April six, So this coming Monday, the
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  Speaker 12: Board of Elections and really all board of elections across
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 12: the state are required to be open until nine pm
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  Speaker 12: on that day, so you can just walk in, go
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 12: to your Board of Elections and update. You can also
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 12: go to your local BMB local libraries. They all when
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 12: accept registrations on that date now they have normal business hours,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 12: or you can join from the convenience of your home
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 12: and register to vote online. You do need to register
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 12: online by eleven fifty nine pm on Monday, so.
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  Speaker 1: There's still time and registering online that way is to
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  Speaker 1: go to vote Ohio dot gov. That's the Secretary of
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  Speaker 1: State site.
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  Speaker 5: That's cract.
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  Speaker 12: You can go directly to the Secretary of State's site.
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  Speaker 12: If you go to our website, that's fine too. We
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  Speaker 12: provide a link to the Secretary's site.
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  Speaker 1: Which is vote Hamilton County, Ohio dot gov. Do I
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  Speaker 1: have that one right? Serry?
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  Speaker 5: You you do? You do very well.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: You gave me such awesome notes, Sherry. I'll admit that
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: I'm working. I'm working off some notes here. Now let's
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: go back to poll workers, Sherry, poll and you have
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: an opportunity here to maybe incentivize some people to come
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  Speaker 1: and work the polls. I'm sure you probably need more
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: poll workers.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, we always need more poll workers.
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  Speaker 12: You know, just in general as a society, we don't
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 12: seem to pay as much attention to the primary elections
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  Speaker 12: as we do November, so we don't have as many
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  Speaker 12: new poll workers. You know, I've got to put a
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 12: shout out to our returning poll workers that come back
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  Speaker 12: election after our election. We couldn't do it without them.
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  Speaker 12: But we you know, we always have some drop off
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 12: people have vacations, other plans, and so we're always recruiting
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 12: new This is a great first time election to come
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 12: and work because we do anticipate the lower turnouts. So
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 12: come and right work this one. It will be a
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 12: good first time. Get your feet wet, and then that
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 12: way you'll be well prepared to work in the November election,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 12: where we will see a larger turning out.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yes, and we did compensate.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, we are preparing for a large turnout in November. Absolutely,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 12: but doing it, our poll workers are compensated for their
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 12: time two hundred and twenty five dollars, maybe a little
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 12: more if you are a manager in another managing position.
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  Speaker 1: Well, anybody out here in my listening audience who complains
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: and worries about the integrity of the vote, that this
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: is exactly how we maintain the integrity of the vote.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: You've got Republicans, you've got democrats, both are riding herd,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: watching out, make sure the rules are followed. They work
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: out any disputes with the disparities or concerns with the voters.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: That's the role that you're playing. And it's such an
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: important and vital civic role. So it's not about the money.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: It's about exercising your civic duties.
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  Speaker 12: Absolutely, And you know, it really truly is a place,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 12: both the polling places and the Board of Elections office
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 12: where Democrats and Republicans come together and it's easy to
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 12: do because we just have a common mission. We don't
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 12: we don't bring our politics into the to that space
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 12: and said, we just focused on our common mission, and
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 12: that's conducting free and fair elections in Hamilton County.
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  Speaker 1: Have you I'm reluctant to even ask the question, Sherry pulling,
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  Speaker 1: But I've got to know because my wife worked at polls,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, years and years and years and years.
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  Speaker 1: Never have I heard a single complaint from her about
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: one of the the the other side politically being rude
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: or disrespectful. There's never been any fights, outbreaks, no shouting,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: no argument. Everybody plays along really, really nicely. If there
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: were a problem, how does that go about being resolved
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  Speaker 1: by the poll workers? Do they contact the Board of
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Elections you or they work it out amongst themselves. And
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: I guess up front, is that even an issue generally speaking?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 12: Generally speaking? Now now you know not, you know, if
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 12: we have a poll worker that might be there might
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 12: be a disagreement regarding a proper procedure. That can happen
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 12: from time to time, especially if there's changes in election administration.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 12: And so we have a help desk set up on
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 12: election day that's dedicated to the poll workers. So we
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 12: have one that's dedicated to the public. So we have
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 12: staff manning that phone line help desk and then we
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 12: have another one that is solely for the poll workers,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 12: and it's made up of our trainers, so our seasonal
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 12: workers that train the poll workers for a whole month
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 12: before election day. Then man that help desk along with
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 12: our full time staff so we can quickly answer any
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 12: questions or resolve any issues that come up if we're
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 12: not able to resolve it on the phone. We also
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 12: staff what we call field troubleshooters, So those are people
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 12: that have more experienced, more training than the poll workers
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 12: and they are assigned to anywhere from maybe five to
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 12: seven polling locations, and so they are actually out in
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 12: the field all day long in the area of roaming
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 12: the polling locations, making sure everything is up and running,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 12: and if we do have a problem, we can dispatch
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 12: them quickly to get to get to the polling place.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 12: So we have many contingencies lined up so that we
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 12: can make sure voting goes as smoothly im possible and
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 12: voters are in and out quickly while following.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio law, which has always been my experience, it always
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  Speaker 1: works great. Shery Poland Hamlin County Board of Elections, I
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for the work you've done over
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  Speaker 1: the years, and we're reminding my listeners of this important
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: information this morning. Vote Hamiltoncountyohio dot gov right there, make
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: sure you're registered. If you're not, vote Ohio dot gov.
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  Speaker 1: It's all linked up for the Hamilin County Bard of Elections,
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  Speaker 1: Sherry Poland, thanks again for your time today and I
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: wish you all the success on a smooth May fifth
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  Speaker 1: primary election.
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  Speaker 12: Thank you, Brian. I appreciate you having me on and
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 12: helping us get this message out to voters.
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  Speaker 1: she pointed out the way you can't suppress one side
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  Speaker 13: rule on the words of the Constitution. So who is
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  Speaker 13: the government to say to physicians? This may have even
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  Speaker 13: applied to members of the clergy as well. You can
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  Speaker 13: say certain things to your patient or penitent, but you
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  Speaker 13: can't say certain other things. And how does the government
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  Speaker 13: surveil these things? How does the government know what happens
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  Speaker 13: in these private conversations. I mean, this is a can
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  Speaker 13: of worms that Colorado opened up. And in my view,
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  Speaker 13: the court absolutely did the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: And so they remanded down to the lower court for
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  Speaker 1: the application of what we call strict scrutiny. Right, you're
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  Speaker 1: allowed to intrude on certain constitutional rights as long as
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  Speaker 1: the law is there thoroughly tailored and is designed to
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  Speaker 1: serve a government's significant interest that it's to be the
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  Speaker 1: very narrowly tailed. They can't pass that standard on a
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  Speaker 1: lower court here.
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  Speaker 7: Now, No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 13: The government's need must be compelling. There's no compelling state
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  Speaker 13: interest here, and the means used to address the compelling
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  Speaker 13: state interest must be the least restrictive.
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  Speaker 7: This is the opposite. This is not a compelling issue.
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  Speaker 13: This is a social issue, apparently in Colorado, and the
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  Speaker 13: means are not the least restrictive, they're the most restrictive.
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  Speaker 13: So this thing is dead in the water. I was
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  Speaker 13: surprised they sent it back for this analysis. I would
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  Speaker 13: have just invalidated it. But again they're following very, very
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  Speaker 13: traditional Supreme Court jurisprudence. If the issue was not raised
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  Speaker 13: below strict scrutiny and least restrictive alternative, the losing side
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  Speaker 13: should be given an opportunity to address it, even if
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  Speaker 13: they lost to the Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 7: So that's what they're thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Was fair enough and pivoting over to today oral arguments
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  Speaker 1: on basically, on the Fourteenth Amendment ratified after the Civil War,
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  Speaker 1: all persons born are naturalized in the United States and
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  Speaker 1: subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: In the aftermath of the slaves being freed, you couldn't
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  Speaker 1: exclude them from being a citizen merely because their parents
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  Speaker 1: were not citizens. Does this language confer us citizenship on
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  Speaker 1: babies whose parents are in the country illegally or temporarily
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  Speaker 1: judgent and of Polaitano. I'm of the mind that the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court's going to keep the status quo, which has
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  Speaker 1: been around for one hundred and fifty or so years,
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  Speaker 1: based on an early Supreme Court case involving a Chinese
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  Speaker 1: a child of a Chinese immigrant family out in California.
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  Speaker 1: I guess they came here to work on the railroad
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  Speaker 1: or something. But the child was born in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: asserted his right to citizenship, and the Court found it yes,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, that man was a citizen. And do you
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  Speaker 1: think that's going to change your honor.
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  Speaker 13: No, I don't think it's going to change. I think
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  Speaker 13: you're one hundred percent to correct. I am going to
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  Speaker 13: look at the Chief Justice, Justice Gorsic, because I think
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  Speaker 13: I know where Justice is Alito, Thomas, and Kavanaugh are,
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  Speaker 13: and I think I know where Justice's Kagan, Barrett, and
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  Speaker 13: Jackson are, but I don't know where the Chief and
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  Speaker 13: Justice Gorsich are. And depending upon how aggressive their questioning
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  Speaker 13: is and to whom that aggression is aimed, will give
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  Speaker 13: us an indication of which way they're going to go.
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  Speaker 13: But look, in all the interpretations of the Fourteenth Amendment,
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  Speaker 13: only one said the person was not a citizen, and
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  Speaker 13: that person was born on tribal lands at a time
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  Speaker 13: when the tribes were considered a foreign country rather than
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  Speaker 13: American citizens, and Congress corrected that with a statute. The
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  Speaker 13: justice who wrote that opinion himself attempted to correct it
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  Speaker 13: in a subsequent opinion. So the Trump administration really has
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  Speaker 13: no solid jurisprudence.
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  Speaker 7: On which the stand. You know what they've done.
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  Speaker 13: They quoted some southern white racists in the post World
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  Speaker 13: War two excuse me, in the post Civil War era
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  Speaker 13: who said in state legislatures, it's reprehensible that they quoted
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  Speaker 13: these people, but they did. We're voting for this because
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  Speaker 13: it's limited to making former slaves into citizens. I mean,
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  Speaker 13: this is going to land like a lead balloon in
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  Speaker 13: my view. At the Supreme Court, it doesn't say all
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  Speaker 13: persons formerly held in bondage. It says all persons, yes,
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  Speaker 13: born in the United States, are citizens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way around the language. I'll agree with
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  Speaker 1: you on that. And there seems to be some debate
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  Speaker 1: over what subject to the jurisdiction thereof persons that that
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  Speaker 1: somehow is a carve out or something. But I always
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  Speaker 1: thought that that was meant for folks working in embassies.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the embassy is getting the property is But
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme.
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  Speaker 7: Court has held that there's two carve outs.
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  Speaker 13: One an invader, a female invader, or the spouse of
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  Speaker 13: an invader who happens to give birth here during the invasion.
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  Speaker 13: The baby's not an American citizens as far as I know,
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  Speaker 13: that has never happened. At least if it has happened,
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  Speaker 13: that person hasn't claimed citizenship and the courts haven't ruled
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  Speaker 13: on that claim.
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  Speaker 7: And then the other is an embassy worker.
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  Speaker 13: Because they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the
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  Speaker 13: United States government when they are on their embassy property.
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  Speaker 7: Those are the only two exceptions.
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  Speaker 13: The Trump administration says, well, if a mother comes across
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  Speaker 13: the border just to give birth, she is not subject
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  Speaker 13: to the jurisdiction of the government because her and the
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  Speaker 13: baby's father are loyal to the.
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  Speaker 7: Country from which they came.
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  Speaker 13: This is not about loyalty, This is about who's subby
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  Speaker 13: to the Are they subject to the jurist of the
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  Speaker 13: US giving birth in an American hospital?
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  Speaker 1: Of course they are right. And I know you're going
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  Speaker 1: to say that, and I'm glad you brought up that
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  Speaker 1: specific point because a lot of my listeners and even
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  Speaker 1: I do not like the concept of birth tourism. There's
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: something nefarious about it. They have no intention of living here.
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  Speaker 1: They're not looking for to become US citizens. The parents themselves.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the Chinese Communist Party has a has provided
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  Speaker 1: a facilitation for all of this. They come here with
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  Speaker 1: the pregnant woman, they give birth, they hang out for
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: a few years of American education, they both go they
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  Speaker 1: all go back to China. I supposed to get indoctrinated. Now,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: what is the remedy for that? If that is in
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: fact a problem that's worthy of dealing with. Is this
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  Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment to the fourteenth Amendment? Is it laws
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  Speaker 1: that can be passed which would be argued to be unconstitutional?
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  Speaker 1: How do you go about this?
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  Speaker 13: The Supreme Court ruled in a case called po versus Texas,
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  Speaker 13: in which the state of Texas enacted legislation that said,
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  Speaker 13: if you're here illegally, you are not entitled to free education,
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  Speaker 13: you are not entitled to welfare. You are not even
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 13: entitled to go into emergency rooms. You have no rights,
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  Speaker 13: no entitlements whatsoever. That that law was never enforced, it
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 13: was enjoined by a federal judge, and the Supreme Court
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 13: basically said, if you give your citizens these basic social
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 13: safety net standards.
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  Speaker 7: You have to give them to everybody.
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  Speaker 13: That would have to be changed, and it can only
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  Speaker 13: be changed by a constitutional amendment. So when there is
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  Speaker 13: no longer a financial incentive for birth tourism, birth tourism
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  Speaker 13: will go way.
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  Speaker 1: Down, fair enough? Well, are you and I are eyed
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  Speaker 1: eye on that one too?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, lot, I understand. I understand how people are.
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  Speaker 13: Aggravated at birth tourism and rejoiced in President Trump's executive
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  Speaker 13: order and hopes that he prevails. You know, the other
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 13: issue is, I don't even know if they're going to
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  Speaker 13: address this. The president is not in the business of
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  Speaker 13: bring the constitution only the courts are.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just because he wants it, and just because he
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  Speaker 1: issues an executi voter doesn't mean that's the final word
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  Speaker 1: on it as which is why they're going to be
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: arguing this in the Supreme Court this morning or today, correct,
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  Speaker 1: And you.
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  Speaker 13: Know he's going to be there seated in the first row.
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  Speaker 13: I don't think that's going to affect the outcome.
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  Speaker 1: No, it won't.
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  Speaker 13: But the last time a president was in the Supreme
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  Speaker 13: Court was before he was president, Richard Nixon when he
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 13: was a private lawyer, after he left a vice presidency,
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  Speaker 13: after he was defeated for president, after he was defeated
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  Speaker 13: for governor California, moved to New York and practiced law,
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  Speaker 13: and he argued a very famous case called Time against Hill.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 13: It's a very famous defamation case. He lost the case,
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  Speaker 13: but he gave what is known to law students and
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  Speaker 13: lawyers as a brilliant oral argument. But he was not
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  Speaker 13: the president. He was about to become the president.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not remembered for that though, your honor, No,
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  Speaker 1: he's not.
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  Speaker 7: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: I know you are a devoutly religious man of the
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: Catholic faith, and it's obviously came through very clearly in
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: your op ed piece, which all encourage my listeners to
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  Speaker 1: get a copy of it. It's a caption hope for
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  Speaker 1: the Dead. I just wanted with that predict, I want
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  Speaker 1: to wish you a very happy Easter. I know you'll
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: be celebrating the on Sunday, and I hope you have
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  Speaker 1: great weather. I hope you and your loved ones all
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  Speaker 1: have a fantastic time.
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  Speaker 13: And we thank you and the same to you and
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  Speaker 13: to Ingram, and to Streker and to the young man
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  Speaker 13: that fills them for Streker and to your family.
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  Speaker 1: Send to your listeners, thank you your honorable talk next week.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy your holiday weekend, sir, Thank you, Brian, all the best,
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