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  Speaker 1: the podcast covering high profile and under the radar cases
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  Speaker 1: from across the country. Every week. I am your host
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  Speaker 1: Anna Garcia. Our case this week, she made calls to
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  Speaker 1: nine to one one for help because of an abusive
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  Speaker 1: and violent situation with her husband. Then she's found dead
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  Speaker 1: at the bottom of a stairwell and a Chicago luxury
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  Speaker 1: high rise where her estranged husband was living at the time.
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  Speaker 1: Her fall was down twenty four floors. They'd been married
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  Speaker 1: just six months, and he had the gall to try
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  Speaker 1: and keep his wife's remains rather than turn her over
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  Speaker 1: to her grieving parents. Her parents had to go to
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  Speaker 1: court to get their daughter's body back. It is just
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  Speaker 1: one of the many injustices suffered by her family. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it is now a year later and the husband has
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  Speaker 1: now been charged with her murder. We are recording this
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, October thirty, first of twenty twenty five. It
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  Speaker 1: is Halloween. Our guest today is not spooky or scary.
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  Speaker 1: He is Lewis Bolano's a former homicide detective of private investigator,
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  Speaker 1: an advocate for survivors of domestic violence, a dear friend
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  Speaker 1: of the show, a friend of mine. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: special edition.
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  Speaker 2: Hi Anna, so great to see you, and happy Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting, kind of ironic. It doesn't get
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  Speaker 2: by me that Halloween is a make believe day for
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  Speaker 2: kids to dress up as ghosts and goblins and monsters.
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  Speaker 2: But we're gonna be discussing a real life monster.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Case unfortunately, Yeah, really horrific, horrific, And I feel
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  Speaker 1: like doesn't matter how many times we do cases like this,
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  Speaker 1: always with the hope of spreading information about red flags
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  Speaker 1: warning signs. Now, it's not going to get better. And
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  Speaker 1: yet we see this and we also see it, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why I like to do a variety of cases.
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  Speaker 1: Socioeconomic diversity, extremes, education perhaps not educated, a person of means,
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  Speaker 1: a person not of means, and the red flags, the violence,
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  Speaker 1: the way that it increases and gets harder and harder
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  Speaker 1: for the person to get away, sadly is a pattern
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  Speaker 1: we see over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with all those variables you just described, they're
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  Speaker 2: all the patterns are oftentimes very similar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this case is out of Chicago, and it
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  Speaker 1: involves a well documented, a violent and abusive relationship, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes we don't see things documented, but in this case,
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  Speaker 1: there were calls to police, there was a restraining order,
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  Speaker 1: and still, sadly, somehow she kept going back. The two
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  Speaker 1: dated for two years, then they quickly married, didn't invite family,
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  Speaker 1: and after just six months of marriage, the wife is
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  Speaker 1: found dead. Now, and of course immediately the husband was
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  Speaker 1: under suspicion, and now he's been charged. Obviously presumed innocent
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  Speaker 1: until proven guilty, but he does have a documented history
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  Speaker 1: of violence against her, which was captured not only on
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  Speaker 1: police body cams, but on the nine to one one
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  Speaker 1: calls and by the state of her physical state when
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  Speaker 1: police arrived to these calls, besides what was shared with
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  Speaker 1: family and friends, and also what was documented in the
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  Speaker 1: protective order. So I realize innocent until proven guilty, but
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  Speaker 1: on the domestic violence, especially since he's recently taken a
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  Speaker 1: plea of guilty. Well, the victim here is thirty six
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  Speaker 1: year old Caitlin Tracy, who was found dead after falling
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  Speaker 1: more than twenty floors down her husband's high rise apartment.
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  Speaker 1: Her husband, forty seven year old Adam Beckerink, has been
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  Speaker 1: charged with first degree murder, but this charge comes about
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  Speaker 1: a year after her death. Again, documented history here between
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  Speaker 1: the two of them and her calls for help, and
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  Speaker 1: there's even this police video of Caitlin telling investigators what
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  Speaker 1: she said he did to her. And then as part
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  Speaker 1: of this video, he resists arrests and you can see
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  Speaker 1: him fighting back and then he ends up kicking or
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  Speaker 1: hitting one of the officers in the chest. So then
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  Speaker 1: he gets charged with assaulting a police officer. And this,
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  Speaker 1: I mean this video, she's talking.
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  Speaker 2: From the grave and right right she's even telling him
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  Speaker 2: to calm down in the video, trying to get him
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  Speaker 2: calmed down. And I think that video is going to
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  Speaker 2: be used as a very very big piece of evidence
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  Speaker 2: in showing his character when this gets to jury troll
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  Speaker 2: if it goes that far, and chances are it will,
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  Speaker 2: but it shows what he is like. He's even trying
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  Speaker 2: to bully into the police who are in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of arresting him. He's trying to take control of the
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  Speaker 2: entire thing. And he's realizing that and frustrated because he's
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  Speaker 2: realizing he has zero control at that point. Choices are
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  Speaker 2: going to be made for him.
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  Speaker 1: And I do believe that he got away with some stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Not I'm talking about when we look at like, well,
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  Speaker 1: what were the delays here? Like what took a year?
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  Speaker 1: And why did it seem like each time he kinda
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  Speaker 1: walked away? Well, he was a partner in a very
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  Speaker 1: prominent law firm, not criminal defense. He was a tax attorney.
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  Speaker 1: And all I'm asking here is did the guy know
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  Speaker 1: how to work the system?
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  Speaker 2: Well? In his mind? Look, he's ego is No, he's
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  Speaker 2: not lacking ego, that's for sure. I think no matter
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  Speaker 2: what room he goes into, he thinks he's the smartest
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  Speaker 2: one in that room. But even though albeit he's a
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  Speaker 2: tax attorney, he still knows that for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: Advice number one from any attorney is don't speak to
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  Speaker 2: the cops. And he couldn't keep his mouth shut. He
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  Speaker 2: wants to talk to somebody and explain this a way
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  Speaker 2: why they should take the handcuffs off him at the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Now he should know better, But I think that's just
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  Speaker 2: his personality right power control, which he definitely used on
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  Speaker 2: Kaitlin through their duration of their marriage. That's just him.
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  Speaker 1: Very very telling, Yes, very very telling. So let's look
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  Speaker 1: at the background of this case and these two individuals
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  Speaker 1: to try and understand how we got to this point. Adam,
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  Speaker 1: as we said, was a tax attorney at the prestigious
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  Speaker 1: firm of Duwayne Morris LP. And after Caitlin's death, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that made huge headlines in Chicago because you have prominent
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  Speaker 1: people involved, and then all the reports are starting to
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  Speaker 1: surface about the history of the domestic violence and like,
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  Speaker 1: what's going on here? An executive just doesn't like fall
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  Speaker 1: twenty feet to her death, and so the headlines became huge,
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  Speaker 1: even though he was not charged with her murder immediately,
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  Speaker 1: so he ends up getting fired from his job. And
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  Speaker 1: then there are reports that he had been struggling with
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  Speaker 1: drug and alcohol abuse and apparently at some point had
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  Speaker 1: sought rehab and maybe that was part of the getting together,
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  Speaker 1: breaking up, getting together, I don't know. Guy definitely has problems,
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  Speaker 1: definitely as demons, all right. Now. Caitlin, she was the
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  Speaker 1: chief people officer at a Chicago artificial intelligence company called
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  Speaker 1: New Salt. Caitlin and Adam began dating sometime in October
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two. There were problems from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think this guy was able to you know,
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  Speaker 1: conceal his real self. And it was, you know, get together,
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  Speaker 1: break up, get together, break up. And Caitlyn's family didn't
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  Speaker 1: like him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, from the start. They didn't like them, and they
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  Speaker 2: tried to convince her to step away from him. But
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  Speaker 2: as happened so often, it fits you under the smatlight
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  Speaker 2: and you're dating this individual and this is your relationship.
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  Speaker 2: You don't sometimes see it as clearly as others do.
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  Speaker 1: True, true, because of the power, the manipulation, the control.
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  Speaker 1: They finally break things off in September of twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 1: so we kind of think, oh, my goodness, finally done here.
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  Speaker 1: And at some point they get back together and then
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  Speaker 1: they marry, and then they married. They got married on
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  Speaker 1: April eighth of twenty twenty four. What a surprise. Caitlin's
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  Speaker 1: family was not invited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which made him very happy. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: she struggled with that for a bit. But yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: very telling. Here we go.
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  Speaker 1: It's symbolic when you think about it, right, he marries her,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't invite the family, like physically, he takes control of her,
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  Speaker 1: and then after her death, he physically still had control
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  Speaker 1: of her body by refusing to relinquish control to the
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  Speaker 1: family to bury her monster. I am so upset about
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  Speaker 1: this whole, that part of it, I really, because all
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  Speaker 1: I could think of is, you know, as a parent,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't even have to be a parent to
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  Speaker 1: feel this pain, just losing a loved one, and then
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  Speaker 1: the anguish of having to get attorneys go to court,
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  Speaker 1: stand there in front of it, all these judges, people
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  Speaker 1: who are going to make decisions about your family, your
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  Speaker 1: private rights as a human being, to bury your child,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the government and the courts
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  Speaker 1: are involved. She's held in a freezer. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's why I'm just so mad at him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you know, just as I think they
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  Speaker 2: settle that within a few weeks, it looks like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so thank goodness for that. But for Caitlyn's family
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  Speaker 2: prior Seeman eternity, right, it's dealing with Encoors just but
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  Speaker 2: at least it was settled relatively quickly.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, and here's what they've done since
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  Speaker 1: since he's been charged. And we're going to still continue
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  Speaker 1: talking about the details here, but I want to jump
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  Speaker 1: ahead to this. So he was recently charged. So one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that they did right in this golden
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  Speaker 1: window between the time he took the plea deal on
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  Speaker 1: the domestic violence and he got charged on murder, they go,
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  Speaker 1: the family goes back to court, and now here's what
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  Speaker 1: they want. They want to keep her burial site private.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want him to know where she is. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine if they are actually in fear of him
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  Speaker 1: scooping her up?
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  Speaker 2: I yeah, yeah, absolutely, But we've seen that in other cases, Anna,
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  Speaker 2: where the family will hide the body forever from the
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  Speaker 2: spouse to make sure that nothing nefarious happens. But he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna have too much. He doesn't have much time on
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  Speaker 2: his hands around and do things like that. He his
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  Speaker 2: hands are full of court. So yeah, yeah, yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was a great move.
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  Speaker 1: And also they have also made a move to make
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  Speaker 1: sure that he is disinherited since he was technically the husband.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, honestly, I don't know if there
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  Speaker 1: was a will in place or not. She's a young woman.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes young people don't have wills. So they want to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that whatever assets Caitlin had and had worked
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  Speaker 1: very hard for, he doesn't end up getting. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it just doesn't end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. And the apartment in Chicago where this happened,
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  Speaker 2: and we jump ahead a little bit, but that's your
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  Speaker 2: sale right now, and I think it's I looked at it.
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  Speaker 2: It's about on Zillow. And the reason I'm saying that
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  Speaker 2: is I noticed a couple of things that apartments your sale,
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  Speaker 2: and I was wondering, well, what's gonna happen with the
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  Speaker 2: funds from that sale? Does he get all of it?
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  Speaker 2: Does the family get it? Is that part of it
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  Speaker 2: is it's just over a million bucks, so substantial. But
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  Speaker 2: as I'm looking at the pictures of the apartment and
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  Speaker 2: in the closet, and we'll see how this comes into
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  Speaker 2: play later, but in the closet there's men's clothing in
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  Speaker 2: there also women's clothing, so and you see women's clothing,
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  Speaker 2: women's shoes, so it looks like it was probably hers.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's going to come into play later.
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  Speaker 2: That Zillow ad for the property has some potential powerful
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  Speaker 2: evidence in it.
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  Speaker 1: And that was apparently his condo, and that was the
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  Speaker 1: other thing that was complicated about this relationship. It does
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  Speaker 1: not appear that they had a home together. It appears
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  Speaker 1: that he had his place in the city, she had
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  Speaker 1: home in Michigan near her parents, So whether they ever
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  Speaker 1: really like fully lived together seems to be unclear. So
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  Speaker 1: if that was, again, I don't know what this means
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  Speaker 1: as far as inheritance and marital rights. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: if that was his apartment before they married, does that
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  Speaker 1: become community property? And then if he's convicted of killing her,
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  Speaker 1: what happens to those assets because it brings in the
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  Speaker 1: slayer law. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And if anyone's going to fight for his
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  Speaker 2: any moneys he can get out of her death, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be this clown, right, It's just like he
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  Speaker 2: did with the rights to the body.
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  Speaker 1: So Caitlyn's mother said that shortly after Adam entered Caitlyn's life,
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  Speaker 1: the family witnessed quote the constant fear in our daughter.
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  Speaker 1: The mother said, for over a year, we tried everything
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  Speaker 1: we could to save her from him. And Caitlyn was
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  Speaker 1: granted an order of protection in November of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: three after a series of domestic violence calls to police.
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  Speaker 1: And again, okay, so she gets the protective order, right,
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  Speaker 1: Remember what I said about him knowing how to work
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  Speaker 1: the system as an attorney, so then she drops it.
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  Speaker 1: Caitlyn's family says Caitlin dropped the protective order. She was
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  Speaker 1: forced to do it because he Adam Taxman, was threatening
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  Speaker 1: to sue Caitlin for defamation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's unpack that a little bit. Because he
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  Speaker 2: is an attorney that he threatened personally that he have
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  Speaker 2: someone else get let her know that he's going to
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  Speaker 2: sue her for defamation. Just to threat alone, no matter
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  Speaker 2: how it was delivered, is a violation of a protection order.
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  Speaker 2: So that itself is very clear. If she would have
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  Speaker 2: spoken to any attorney, they would have told her that
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  Speaker 2: that you know, he can't sue you for defamation? Right,
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  Speaker 2: And how did you find this out? Is what I
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  Speaker 2: want to know. How did that message get to you
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  Speaker 2: to the point where you're in such fear? So there's
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  Speaker 2: a disconnection there for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, clearly he was very controlling and she was
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  Speaker 1: fearful of him. The Daily Mail has done some extensive
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  Speaker 1: reporting on the calls to police and their history. So
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  Speaker 1: in April of twenty twenty four, they marry right, but
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  Speaker 1: soon after that, Caitlin relocates to a house near her parents,
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  Speaker 1: and at some point she's actually living with her parents.
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  Speaker 1: So there was nothing but problems in this relationship. It
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  Speaker 1: really was nothing but problems. And then there are these
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  Speaker 1: two documented cases. One happens before they marry and one
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  Speaker 1: happens after they marry, and one of the responding officers
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  Speaker 1: is the same for both of them, which ends up
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  Speaker 1: truly being key here and very helpful to Caitlin. So
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  Speaker 1: in January of twenty twenty four, Caitlyn calls nine to
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  Speaker 1: one to one around eight thirty pm and she tells
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  Speaker 1: the dispatcher to hurry that Adam was drunk. She said
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  Speaker 1: that he had pushed her down and by the time
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  Speaker 1: police got there, Adam had already taken off he was
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  Speaker 1: not there. She tells police that he tried to stop
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  Speaker 1: her from calling for help and they could see the
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  Speaker 1: visible signs of an altercation on her body. And then
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  Speaker 1: she told police that this was the first time that
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  Speaker 1: they'd been back to since he got released from rehab,
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  Speaker 1: which is really very disappointing. And then as part of
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  Speaker 1: this incident, it's just a side story to this, he
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  Speaker 1: allegedly took things of hers that were valuable to her.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, can't take you because the police are on
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  Speaker 1: their way. So let me grab a few things that
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  Speaker 1: you like and you worked hard for. So he took
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  Speaker 1: her chanelle purse, a Cardier watch, a diamond tennis bracelet,
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  Speaker 1: a few other things, some cash, all of it totally
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  Speaker 1: about forty five thousand dollars, and while the police are
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  Speaker 1: searching for him, Caitlin then calls the police and says,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, he just texted me. And he says,
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  Speaker 1: he says to her in this threatening way, I'm still around.
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  Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? There are police at the house,
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  Speaker 1: they are looking for you, and you're calling her to
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  Speaker 1: let her know that you're still around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's stalking. He's a stalker. He's officially a stalker.
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  Speaker 1: Oh goodness. Then August nineteenth. Okay, so first one January,
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  Speaker 1: next one is August. And keep in mind, in between
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  Speaker 1: there there's a marriage. There's a wedding. So on April nineteenth,
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  Speaker 1: this again, after they've married it around eight thirty pm,
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin calls nine to one one again and the officer
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  Speaker 1: who responded back in January is one of the officers
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  Speaker 1: responding this time, and when he arrives, the door is
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  Speaker 1: slightly open. But he can hear her crying for help,
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  Speaker 1: so he goes in and she's on the floor screaming,
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  Speaker 1: and then Adam is held at taser point. And then
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  Speaker 1: when the officer tries to arrest Adam, he resists, as
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  Speaker 1: we mentioned at the top of the podcast. They struggle
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  Speaker 1: to get him into the car. Then the officer gets
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  Speaker 1: kicked in the chest, hurting the wrist, and in addition
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  Speaker 1: to domestic violence, Adam is now charged with assaulting a
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  Speaker 1: police officer. Two months after this incident, Caitlin's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing on that. This is August nineteenth, twenty twenty four. Right, yep,
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about. So he was arrested for a solemn battery,
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence, assault on a police officer, interference with telecommunications,
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  Speaker 2: so she apparently tried to make a call and he
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  Speaker 2: deprived to the ability to do that, which is very
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  Speaker 2: common in these things, intimidation, larceny which is the forty
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  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars worth of her personal items, resistant arrests,
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  Speaker 2: but also he was was the last one. Oh, he's
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  Speaker 2: a fugitive from justice and which probably is a result
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  Speaker 2: of him failing to appear for a court earlier on
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  Speaker 2: but a result of ft, he failed to appear for
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  Speaker 2: a pre trial herring in Michigan, so he was officially
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  Speaker 2: a fugitive of justice. At one point he was doing
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  Speaker 2: it at all. He was doing everything he could.
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  Speaker 1: Really, it's like a Teflon man here. So Caitlyn Sadly
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  Speaker 1: is found dead at the bottom of a stairwell below
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  Speaker 1: her husband's you know, apartment. She fell twenty four floors,
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  Speaker 1: if you can imagine, on October twenty seventh of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four. Here is again this whole thing is just
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  Speaker 1: so frightening and so horrible. The initial call to police
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: was not that someone had found Caitlin. The initial call
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: to police was from someone in between those floors where
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: she fell. They discovered a foot, a human foot stuck
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I guess to they're railing right, and they
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: freaked out. Obviously, police show up. They find the foot,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: and then they checked the whole stairwell and then they
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: find Caitlin's body at the bottom. Police say that Adam
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: made misleading statements about Caitlin's death. No, not Adam, Police
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: not Adam. Not Adam. According to authorities, he filed a
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: missing person's report one day before Caitlyn's body was discovered,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: but police have recently said, with the arrest and murder charge,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: they believe Caitlin died two days before she was found.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that miss the report. Again, It's just another
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: picture he's trying to paint of a loving husband who
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: is missing his wife. Where is she? She's not where
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: she should be. I can't get a hold of her
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: like I always can. Something's off here.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but here's the problem with his story. First of all,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: there are cameras everywhere these days, so obviously there are
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: cameras of Caitlin entering the building and not that building,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that building. Hello. And then here's the other thing. When
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: police interview him, he then tells them, oh, I haven't
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: seen Caitlin in a month. Really, that's strange because a
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: few days earlier, on October twenty fourth, days before she
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: dropped to her death, We've got video of her right
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: here in your building. So this is what I mean about. Okay, Look,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: they did ultimately charge this man, but I'm like, wow,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: it took a year to get to this point. There
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: are some massive flags here.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, and to a degree that's all they are a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: big red flags. It means you have to look hard
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: in those in that direction. But this type of homicide investigation,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it takes a long time to show that just on
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the fact that her body fell off the building. There's
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: so many variables there and reasons why that could have happened.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Right, They could have been arguing and she genuinely.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Should have judge right, And I'm sure you were getting
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: her all of this as his defense moves forward, right, Yes,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: but just Ganna, I mean you're talking about just to show,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: because you can at times show if someone jumped or
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: was pushed physics, right, So they brought in their physicists
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to analyze this and do some type of reconstruction of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: because they knew exactly where she fell from or was
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: pushed from, and maybe there was evidence on that railing. Here,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you get the feeling real quick if someone is trying
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: to push you over a railing carrie lift you over
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: and throw you over where you're grabbing on and things
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: grab it ont of them. Maybe he scratched, you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: she dug into him somehow, she has evidence on her fingernails.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: There are just so many variables. But I think they
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: got that to the point where they were to show
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: if they feel confident with homicide that her trajectory, trajectory
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: was off, not falling it like someone who fell straight,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that she was pushed, there was force applied, so she
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: didn't follow them up as somebody who would have jumped,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: just as a starting point. And then of course you're
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: talking about all the videos and digital evidence is going
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to be massive in this right where their phones together,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: they're going to eat all those things are pinging constantly. Right,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: she's going to be in that building, is she going
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: to be be able to pin into the floor to
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: his apartment, is condo, whatever whatever's going on there. So yeah,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: he keeps digging off. Every time he opens his mouth,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: he just digs this a little deeper and deeper, which
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: is good.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Keep talking, yep, yep, yep. And you know, the family,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you know, while I'm just I'm personally annoyed at how
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: he has handled all of this and the extra trauma
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that he has committed on this family, the family is
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: very appreciative and thankful and grateful to all of the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: work that investigators have done. So when I say it's like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you know, because I'm just frustrated with this guy, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: don't like the sense of his entitlement and that's but
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: they are very pleased with how the police have handled.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: This right, which tells me that they have kept her,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the mother, and family up to date. To justify what
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: we know. They won't tell them specifics, but we're actively
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: working this. There are things we're doing. And that arrests
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: where he was arrested for domestic violence and pled out,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: got a plea deal that could have been very tactical.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I think it was. I think so, and we're going
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: to get to that now. So on October twentieth of
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we're just talking, you know, not too
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: long ago. This is shortly before he gets charged with
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Caitlin's murder. Adam took a plea deal on the domestic
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: abuse case out of Michigan, and he pleaded no contests
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to the charges and was sentenced to ninety three days
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: in jail along with two years of probation for domestic abuse.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: So obviously, by taking the plea deal, he avoids a trial.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: One of the things that they argued about was that
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: video that we've been talking about where he's being a jerk,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: resisting rests, being hostile towards the police. And then also
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we hear from Caitlin from beyond the grave. So they tried,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the attorneys tried to get that video kicked out. It's like, really,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: this is a case about domestic violence and you honestly you.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But anyway, they had to try, and they and the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: judges like, nope, that video staying in. So they had
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: to play some of that video obviously to first decide
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: whether it was going to be in or not. And
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I think that there was a strategic decision made to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: plea this out. Let's not show all this video and
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: let's keep focus on what we think is come in
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: our way, which was the.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Murder charge, right right, So no, very very common, very common.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: And they made the arrest on was it on the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: day one year anniversary of her death, which you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I look in at it and oh, I know what
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: they did because we've done things like that when we've
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: arrested people in the past for homicide. But yeah, it
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: comes full circle.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yep, it sure does. It is not looking good for
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Adam now during the domestic violence part of this, when
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: he enters his plea, Caitlin's mother, Tracy, who's a professor
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: at Wayne State University in Detroit, was permitted to give
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a victim impact statement, and I'm glad that they did.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: She's got a lot to say to this guy, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: she showed great restraint, sure did. And she called Adam
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a controlling coward who repeatedly beat her daughter. She told
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: the judge that her family felt like they were being
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: re victimized every time more details of what he allegedly
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: did to her came out. This is according to the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: reporting of the Chicago trip who was in the court room.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in that same hearing, right, just prior to the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: victim impact statement given by the mother, they showed a
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: video and I'd said, oh my goodness, he is still
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: wearing his wedding ring. Yeah, at that hearing again for show.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: But Denny pulls it out because he knows where the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: camera is. And this is my interpretation if you look
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: at it again, he pulls out above the table and
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: he starts spinning it like this right for the camera, right,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and you know, holding it close to his chest. Again.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: He's a showman, right, thinking this is going to bring
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: credibility to him somehow. But what a what a clown?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Let's just say it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there is so much evidence about his own
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: by his own admissions now and how abusive he was
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to her. And what I'm surprised is that the part
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of the defense that they haven't brought in yet is
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to say, you know what, the man was out of
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: his mind on drugs and alcohol. No one's tried that
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: one yet.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's coming. It's coming in. That one is coming, right,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: or steroids. Right. He had a lot of weights in
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: his in his h part on Zillow one of his rooms.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: So he's in the weightlifting the big time. So some
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: some type of compound made him do something that he
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: would never do. It'll be the fault of something else.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: But he tried, people have tried in the past. Good
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: luck with that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Wow. I just you know, it is not looking good
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: for him. I absolutely agree with you. The one part
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about did she fall to her death as a result
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: of an argument accident? Did she jump? Was she pushed?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: This is going to be a critical part of the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: murder trial if it goes to trial.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Critical And even if you showed that she was pushed,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: now you have to show that he pushed her.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and it's circumstantial, but you know, there's so
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: much more evidence and if the domestic violence history is
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: allowed into the trial and I got and let me
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: tell you something when that jury hears, especially if this
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: is allowed, that he withheld her body from her family
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and my I do love to go to courtrooms and
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: sit there because I love to listen and watch body language.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: But what you can never see, you know, we televise
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: just about everything, right, everything is streamed. What you can
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: never see unless you're in that courtroom is the jury's
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: reaction so true and those are the moments, and those
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: are the moments when you see the body language, you
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: see the frustration, and I'm telling you that is not
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: going to sit right with the jury and they're going
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: to be like months.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know if you play it out the other Wyana.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: If he was given custody of the body for whatever reason,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the judge decided to give him the rights to his
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: wife's body, what would he have done? Would he have
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: had a creamator within twenty four hours? Is he trying
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: to present further forensics done on the body to protect himself?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: What was he going to do? Did ever say that
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: he was going to do if he got control?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: So one thing he did say, I mean yeah, because
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: he had he was in court fighting for control of
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the body, so there were emotions that were filed again
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: fighting over control of Caitlin's body. Adam claimed, listen to
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: this guy that he would be quote irreparably harmed and
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: deprived of the ability to direct the disposition of his
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: wife's remains, for which he is entitled to and have
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: priority under both Illinois and Michigan law.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I bet he wrote that statement himself.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, unbelievable. Oh my god, that just really just
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: gets at me, gets at me. Okay, So, as we've said,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of evidence that has not been revealed.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: The autopsy has been made public, and it's quite dreadful obviously,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: anybody that tumbles twenty four flights, it's horrific, horrific. And
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: as of this recording, we don't believe that Adam has
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: formally entered a plea in this but however, we presume
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: his innocence and that he will enter a plea of
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: not guilty. But here's here's what I find so confusing
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and contradictory. All right, So, after the domestic violence case,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: his attorneys, because he had attorneys on that, they said,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: you know that he had nothing to do. They've said
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: clearly he had nothing to do with Caitlyn's death and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: there was no cooperation of her claims of abuse. Well, hello,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: what do you mean he just took amplee Are you
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: saying he took ampleet just for the hell of it?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Right? Right?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Which is it?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? I saw an interview at her house, the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: house that she was staying at with her neighbor, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that neighbor said that Caitln had confided in her just
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: weeks before her death that he was physically abusing her.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: And one of the things she showed the media crew
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: was how Caitlyn had to display to her that he
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: likes to strangle her. That's his thing, strangling And that's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: a quote from her. So he has a lot of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: hills to fight if he thinks he's going to be
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: able to show that he never ever participated in domestic
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: violence emotionally physically. Yeah, good luck with that.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because part of his defense will also, I presume,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: be one of you know, So if it wasn't you, sir,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: who was it?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: You're right?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we're still looking for you know now that
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: oh Jay's passed, he was still looking for the real killers. Yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Good luck with that well. Caitlyn's family, as I said,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: has been very supportive of the prosecutors and the investigators
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: in this case, and they issued a statement thanking them
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: when he was finally charged with murder, and their statement read,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: in part, we dearly miss Caitlin as to her friends.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Our family hopes that during the murder case that the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: truth about the last months of Caitlyn's life and the
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: events leading to her tragic death are revealed so our
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: wonderful daughter can finally be laid to rest. It's just
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: so sad, so sad, so sad. So said, Well, we
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: will be watching this case because you know, we we
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: want justice for Caitlin and all of the Caitlin's out there,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: so we're going to keep an eye on this one.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: It is time for our comments section. This is when
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: we highlight all the crime cases that you all are
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: talking about on social media. And here's our producer, Will Updike. Hey, Will,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: how are you good?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: How's it going?
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Anna?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: How are you Will? Good to see you?
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Good to see you too, Lois So we're recording this,
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: you know on Halloween. If you're listening to this, you've
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: seen Anna's background Halloween of course a time we're mostly
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: wait a minute.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: We have to describe the background for people who are listening.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to say anything at the top because
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: we are very serious, you know, focused on our case.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: But I basically took two pieces of caution tape and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: wrapped it around my display behind me. It's really a
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: very sad Halloween decoration. But it's all I have, and
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I give it all to you, the fans.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's a very appropriate decoration.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Anna, It's so sad, empathetic.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: It looks it looks great. No costumes on this one.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I'm a little disappointed. You know, normally you're dressing up
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: for Halloween. This case in the comment section here we
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: have someone who is a little underdressed. I'm calling it
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: a case of dress for the drive you want. But
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: this one comes out of Detroit, Michigan, where a judge
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: was shocked when a police officer showed up pantless to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: a virtual hearing. So as I said, this one unfolded
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: virtually during a court hearing for a reckless driving and
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: public intoxication case against a woman. According to local reports,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the officer here, Matthew Johnson, appeared via zoom and now
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: While Matthew was being sworn in, he was seen wearing
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: his police officer uniform on the upper half of the zoom,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: but his camera was a little wider then perhaps he anticipated,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and his bare knees and boxer shorts could also be
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: seen in the frame. There's a little bit of video
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: of this one. It's pretty apparent. The judge notices right
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: away and asks, Matthew, you got some pants on?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Officer.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Matthew is obviously pretty embarrassed here right away, recognizing the mistake,
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: he responds honestly, no, sir, before adjusting his camera so
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the lower half of his body is out of frame.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Now here's the port that gets me.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: After the pantless hiccup, the rest of the virtual court
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: proceedings just carry on as normal. They just, you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: in the greater interest of justice, they just decided to
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: keep that train moving. But the incident, of course, made
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: some ripples locally and went on to make some national headlines.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: As a result.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: The Detroit Police Department there told media outlets that they
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: were investigating the incident and planning to speak with officers
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: about proper court etiquette and attire. Now, the Detroit Police
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Department told media outlets that they require their officers to
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: represent themselves in a dignified and professional manner while attending
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: court proceedings. Now, there's also some sort of dress code
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: things on the thirty six District Court's website which says
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: prohibited attire includes shorts or cutoffs, scorts, sleeveless shirts, tank tops, hats, caps, yes,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: and other clothing which is not suitable in a court
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: or any other professional environment. So might kind of be
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: in double violation some of these. We'll see what happens there.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: The judge, obviously you could see the reaction, very stunned
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: by this. The defense attorney was also completely stunned. They
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: said they couldn't even believe that it was real. However,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: the judge did stress that while he was shocked by this,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: he did know Matthew personally and stressed that Officer Jackson
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: is a very professional police officer. He's always been very
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: courteous to the citizens, and that's why it was a
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: little bit stunning. So, yeah, maybe just getting caught not
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: on your best day there. Like I said, there's no
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: forthcoming criminal charges associated with this incident, though it does
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: seem like the department is going to be a wresting
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: officers on appropriate court attire, perhaps a little bit more closely, Yes,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: this one like this one to me, I guess would
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: be like a little bit less stunning, like say five
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: years ago, you know, like when we first started all
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: of uh do everything virtually, and there was there was
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: sort of a learning curve as to how that was
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: all gonna work.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But at this point, still love that video of the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: cat where the attorney, the attorney's trying to explain to
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the judge that he's not a cat and he doesn't
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: know how to get the avatar off. Yeah, still a
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: favorite of mine.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: But at this point, you know, we've kind of been
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: doing this stuff for like a half decade, you would think,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, maybe just adjust your camera angle.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: You can always preview what your video looks like before
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: you join the zoo.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: That's so, you know.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I remember, obviously I was doing news for a very
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: long time in my career, and one of the things
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: when I first walked into a newsroom that I had
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  Speaker 1: never seen before, and and this was a long time ago,
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  Speaker 1: was how specifically, like sportscasters or others would always wear
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  Speaker 1: shorts underneath their suits, so they'd only dress from the
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  Speaker 1: top up and then they'd be in joggers or shorts
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And it's very typical in a news department
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  Speaker 1: for people to not have you know, regular bottoms on.
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  Speaker 1: It's just one of those things.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and there's like, isn't there There's a famous video
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  Speaker 3: of Tom Broker or some newscaster where like he's doing
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  Speaker 3: the news report and it's like it's blazer and everything
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  Speaker 3: top up and then like as a bit, the camera
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  Speaker 3: zooms out and yeah, he's not wearing like a full
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  Speaker 3: he's not wearing like a full suit. So yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm glad no one is involved in any in
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  Speaker 3: any criminality here. It's always nice to have a how
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  Speaker 3: a report that's adjacent enough to where we don't have
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  Speaker 3: anybody facing some charges. But it does seem like there
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  Speaker 3: is some room for improvements here in the dress department. Loos,
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  Speaker 3: you were out of the you know, you you were
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  Speaker 3: out of the department by the time zoom was like
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  Speaker 3: a thing, right, But I guess it's probably it's become
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  Speaker 3: such a bigger part of your work now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a huge part now, especially still a big
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  Speaker 2: part of law enforcement. But even now, I still have
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  Speaker 2: to testify a lot in court, and very common. Before
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  Speaker 2: you go on, they put everybody into a waiting room,
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  Speaker 2: all the defendants, all the witnesses, and you're waiting for
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  Speaker 2: your case to be called while you're on zoom or
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  Speaker 2: their version of zoom. And it's interesting because you could
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  Speaker 2: see that many of them don't block their faces or
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  Speaker 2: use anything to conceal their face until they're called, so
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  Speaker 2: you see what's going on in their house. Half of
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  Speaker 2: them are asleep, laying down on the couch with a
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  Speaker 2: T shirt on, have the camera down here, you know,
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  Speaker 2: looking up their nose, or some of them actually have
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  Speaker 2: fallen asleep, are drinking alcohol right where you're doing it, right,
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  Speaker 2: and when they get called, and then when they get
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  Speaker 2: called to testify, they forget because they lose their decense.
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  Speaker 2: I sit there in an actual court rooms at the
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  Speaker 2: court that you need to abide by, where they're drinking,
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  Speaker 2: and they're smoking right, just you know, chewing gum. It's
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  Speaker 2: just it's crazy with people, how softened they are from
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  Speaker 2: the environment. So yeah, I can see that this poor officer,
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  Speaker 2: who again didn't lie, was very embarrassed and acted and
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  Speaker 2: responded accordingly. He probably has done that one hundred times. Right,
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  Speaker 2: this is the one time where the camera slipped right
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  Speaker 2: and right he had shorts on. Okay, so there's that, right,
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  Speaker 2: But I think more people would raise their hand that
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  Speaker 2: they dressed the same way if they were able to
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  Speaker 2: do that without implicated themselves in something. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: put a shirt on, get it at the right table.
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  Speaker 2: I have shorts on right now, right, you know.
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  Speaker 1: We were trying to get to Lewis d you have
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  Speaker 1: any pants on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? This is all Yeah, that's happy Halloween, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It happens more than we know. And those judges too,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: some are questionable what they wear under that robe, so
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  Speaker 2: I bet yeah, so we gotta be careful who's putting
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  Speaker 2: the fingers there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Honestly. The one that always gets me is
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: like if you're on a work meeting or something and
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  Speaker 3: people forget the're on camera and someone like is about
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: to hit a vape and it feels like it feels
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: like there's like a tension in the air for a
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: second where I'm like, did they know? Does anybody realize
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  Speaker 3: like what's about to happen?
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  Speaker 1: And it feels like slow motion?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Is it unfolds? But yeah, you got.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta remember we're a little bit more casual now
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: and some things via zoom, but there is still some
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: sense of decorum. People had a lot to say about this.
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  Speaker 3: One call me Kobe said he could have gotten away
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  Speaker 3: with it if he angled the camera better, lol, which
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: to Louise's point, Yeah, you know, who knows, And I
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  Speaker 3: actually don't remember. I didn't look up what day of
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: the week this was. I mean, this could have been
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: a Friday or something like this might have been. Is
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: only sort of entanglement for the day. Who's maybe hoping
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: to do this and then you know, go to the
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  Speaker 3: gym or whatever, like I generally am after these zooms
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  Speaker 3: on Friday. So yeah, it happens. Gtabooza said, at least
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  Speaker 3: put some sweatpants on, which like maybe there is like
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  Speaker 3: a nice little little happy mid ground where you don't
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: have to go you know, full uniform, but even some
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  Speaker 3: sweatpants in this situation I think probably would have avoided
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  Speaker 3: any sort of any sort of viewing. I and Nuendo said,
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  Speaker 3: so it's not just cops in my city caught with
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  Speaker 3: their pants down. I don't know if this is addressing
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  Speaker 3: in anything in particular, but you know, It can happen
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  Speaker 3: at any time, so be aware when your zoom is on.
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  Speaker 3: Zacly said, whether you are physically in court or having
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  Speaker 3: virtual court, you must treat it the same as if
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: it was physical court, and dress your best and be
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  Speaker 3: your best, which is just great advice for Truss.
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  Speaker 2: Your best, Be your.
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  Speaker 3: Best, whether it's on zoom, whether it's in person, whether
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: it's I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, on the moon.
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  Speaker 3: But that is going to do it for this week's conversation,
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  Speaker 3: ain't it. I believe you have some additional comments you'd
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