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Chuck & Buck 1-5 Hour 3: MMQB with Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: hom Grin and Hugh Millin.
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Speaker 2: Here's Chuck and Buck.
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Speaker 3: Oh, good morning and happy New Year. Great to have
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Speaker 3: you with us here. So many cool things to discuss
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Speaker 3: here on this some Monday morning, and our Monday morning
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Speaker 3: quarterback experts are here. Mike Hombrin at nine o'clock, Hugh
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Speaker 3: Millon joining us here. In a matter of seconds, I
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Speaker 3: told you. I made nine hundred and forty six New
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Speaker 3: Year's resolutions this year, some of them achievable and some
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Speaker 3: really far fetched. But I can check another one off
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Speaker 3: my list. I resolved this year that I was only
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Speaker 3: going to talk about one seeds o locally.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really good New Year's resolution.
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Speaker 3: Only really going to cover the Seahawks if they're a
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Speaker 3: one seed and if they've earned the one seed.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so checking off the box. All right, Wow,
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Speaker 2: look at you with all these resolutions coming. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: feel fulfilled, good, definitely, even the whole week into the
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Speaker 2: new year. You know what, I'm going to do the
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Speaker 2: same thing.
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Speaker 4: I don't know if I can make a news resolution
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Speaker 4: at this point because we're already a couple few days
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Speaker 4: into this bad boy, but I'm gonna do the same thing.
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Speaker 4: I'm just going to cheer for one seeds.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, very good.
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Speaker 3: Joining us now is our QB one to talk about
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks thirteen to three went over the forty nine
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Speaker 3: or their division championship, their home field advantage they'll carry
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Speaker 3: throughout the playoffs. Oh, we got a wonderful session ahead
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Speaker 3: of you, Hi, Hugh.
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Speaker 2: What's happening? Boys? Happy New Year with you. Good morning,
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Speaker 2: happy new Ye're very happy New Year. Yeah, all right,
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Speaker 2: well they did it.
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Speaker 3: They got it done Saturday night and the rather dominant fashion,
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Speaker 3: even if the score doesn't indicate that, what is it
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Speaker 3: about Saturday and you've had forty eight hours now to
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Speaker 3: think about it?
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Speaker 2: That leaps out to Hugh milling about this, Well, I
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Speaker 2: usually reserve it for quarterbacks. But the defense was just
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Speaker 2: football porn. Didn't even need Biagar. That was just that
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Speaker 2: was just so simil it was. It was fun to watch,
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Speaker 2: obviously live thrilling them to watch the tape, and and
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Speaker 2: I just you know, they say, well against forty nine ers,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be a rock fight. But I think
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Speaker 2: Seahawks they brought their rock and they brought bats with
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Speaker 2: nails on the end of them, like they came to
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Speaker 2: bloody the four forty nine ers, And really, you know,
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Speaker 2: in my view, they out forty nine ered the forty
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Speaker 2: nine ers. What do you mean by that? Well, I mean,
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Speaker 2: let's see who are the forty nine ers. So you
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Speaker 2: have Kyle Shanahan got the job in twenty seventeen. The
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers had been a two win team the
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Speaker 2: year before. It took him a couple of years, but
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Speaker 2: in his thirty year twenty nineteen, they went to the
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl thirteen and three. They since twenty nineteen, the
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers have the most wins in the NFC.
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Speaker 2: Against Seattle at home they have under Kyle Shanahan since
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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. They rush for one hundred and fifty one
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Speaker 2: yards on thirty one attempts, and hell, they rush for
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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty four yards in Seattle they got
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Speaker 2: a six and three record. And who they are is
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Speaker 2: when you consider twenty one personnel. They play with the fullback,
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Speaker 2: they play with the tight end, and you know some
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Speaker 2: of the best that we've ever seen in Yu Chef
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Speaker 2: and in George Kittle, how they block. To give you
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Speaker 2: an idea on that they since twenty nineteen, they have
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Speaker 2: run two thousand and four and forty nine plays out
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Speaker 2: of twenty one personnel. The next closest is fourteen seventy
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Speaker 2: nine and they averages five sixteen. Right, so they're almost
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Speaker 2: one thousand plays more than second place. And so Seattle
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Speaker 2: again against Seattle, they come up. They have two running
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Speaker 2: backs in the game nineteen times. That's that's Yusteff. But
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Speaker 2: he was only in the backfield one time, one freaking time,
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Speaker 2: like they were trying to do these bells and was
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Speaker 2: they were splitting him out, you know, motion around, trying
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Speaker 2: to create this magic show that is just not like them.
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Speaker 2: And Seattle had seventeen plays where they had Robbie Utz
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Speaker 2: on the on the field, second most of Oots's career,
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Speaker 2: and he was in the backfield sixteen out of seventeen.
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Speaker 2: They ran in those situations eleven runs sixty six yards
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Speaker 2: six yards average. That's forty nine aer like and the
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers of they had ten runs to their
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Speaker 2: running backs, they had thirty two yards. Christian McCaffrey. We
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Speaker 2: know it wasn't just the running that he was under
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Speaker 2: three yards per attempt, but you know, yes, here's a
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Speaker 2: guy that he had six catches fifteen yards after catch.
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Speaker 2: This is a guy that for his career averages seven
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Speaker 2: point seven yards after the catch. He had two and
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Speaker 2: a half. So I think just what they did to
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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey, what they did to that running game. They
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Speaker 2: you know, only three running plays from under center first
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Speaker 2: for the forty nine ers, the Seahawks had thirty three.
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Speaker 2: They ten xed them at what is their brand and
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Speaker 2: then and by the way, when Seattle shut down their
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Speaker 2: defense of there was only one play. Like when you
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Speaker 2: say there's a binary nature to offensive football, got me
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Speaker 2: either you're it's either a runner or a pass. Correct,
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Speaker 2: there's a binary nature if you want to just strip
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Speaker 2: it down to defense in the same regard, one high
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Speaker 2: is a run defense, two eyes of pass def that's
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Speaker 2: a general rule. Uh. We had Howard Mudd, the famous
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Speaker 2: offensive line coach, was the offensive line coach for for
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Speaker 2: the Seahawks once and for all of Peyton Manning's career
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Speaker 2: at Indianapolis. He was on our mount side staff.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: You know, spend a lot of time with him. We've
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Speaker 2: spent time at his house watching tape. He told me
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Speaker 2: how simple that cole offense was. It was just Peyton
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Speaker 2: man at the line. Hey, you got too high run
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Speaker 2: the ball, you got one high throw it. And Seattle
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Speaker 2: what they did against the forty nine ers running they
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Speaker 2: only had one defensive play where they play aid with
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Speaker 2: one high. They played with a two high sal a
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Speaker 2: pass defense, and they were able to stop the run
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Speaker 2: with the front seven. And oh, by the way, a
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Speaker 2: nickel front seven em and warrior doesn't come off the field,
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Speaker 2: so they they were able to play with a light
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Speaker 2: box in Nickel not base against all those plays with
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Speaker 2: a heavy personnel by San Francisco and everywhere you turn,
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Speaker 2: you just go, wait a minute. The forty nine ers.
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Speaker 2: You guys have been doing shows with me a long time.
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Speaker 2: You know, I've expressed you know, and it's not a
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Speaker 2: hot take. Everybody who watches football, you say that forty
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Speaker 2: nine team is really physical on both sides of the ball.
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Speaker 2: You know, they got guys like Deebo Samuel, you know,
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Speaker 2: the receivers block like tight ends, the tight ends block
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Speaker 2: like linemen. They got a full back, the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: They're physical on both sides of the ball. Well, Seattle
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Speaker 2: took it to them in that way, and oh man,
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Speaker 2: there's so much to talk about, but that would be
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Speaker 2: where I would start.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean there is a hun to talk
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Speaker 4: about it. I mean, I don't even know where you
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Speaker 4: want to start. Where it's they took it to them.
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Speaker 4: Obviously on the defense side of it, there's you know,
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Speaker 4: some folks I think will maybe look at well you
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Speaker 4: dominated them, and yet you only did you only scored
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Speaker 4: thirteen points. Is there anything critical? Because I don't really
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Speaker 4: want to go critical they not locked up the number
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Speaker 4: one seed. Is there anything that that is disappointing about
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Speaker 4: the way in which the scoreboard read considering how much
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Speaker 4: they kind of bent them over their knee?
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't have a lot of bandwidth in my
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Speaker 2: my brain for criticizing this football team. But but obviously
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Speaker 2: you know the red zone, the red zone fringe, you know,
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Speaker 2: I think you know I saw a text string, or
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Speaker 2: not text string, but a fan site with a lot
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Speaker 2: about six pages that just wanted to break down that
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Speaker 2: that first down sack when they when Seattle had that
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Speaker 2: beautiful drive down to the one yard line in the
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Speaker 2: first quarter, right, yeah, remember the sack? Yeah? And and
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Speaker 2: I'll just say we haven't. There's an analyst in town
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Speaker 2: here said it's Spider two. Why Banana, It's it's it
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Speaker 2: was not Spider too. That the Seahawks they got down
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Speaker 2: to first and goal at the one, they go play action. Now,
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Speaker 2: the the concept that they have with the corner to
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Speaker 2: the tight end of the corner and the back in
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Speaker 2: the flat, that is ubiquitous. I guarantee you that, uh
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Speaker 2: that Sam Darnold has been running that since Sant Clementi
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Speaker 2: High School and certainly at USC everybody has that, but
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Speaker 2: there was a little bit of a wrinkle that Seattle had.
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Speaker 2: Normally spider two white banana. If you're if you're into football,
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Speaker 2: and John Gruden gets all excited, there's teaching too. Yeah
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Speaker 2: you got it. Yeah right, yeah, that's what the that's
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Speaker 2: what the full back bluffing and the full backs in
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Speaker 2: the flat. What Seattle did here is they they had
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Speaker 2: Robbie Utes blocking and they had the tailback in in
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Speaker 2: charbon Ey in the flat. That that just takes longer
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Speaker 2: to get there. And I went in the NFL stat
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Speaker 2: port and I looked up twenty three play action passes
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Speaker 2: by teams on the one yard line, and Tennessee, Houston
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Speaker 2: and Cincinnati did that same thing on one play where
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Speaker 2: they block with the fullback and they have the tailback
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Speaker 2: in the flat. But most teams it's the other way around.
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Speaker 2: It's the full back in the flat. He gets there quicker.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, for those who question, I thought
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Speaker 2: that they should have run the ball. I was saying,
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Speaker 2: run the ball. But the NFL this year first first
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Speaker 2: and goal with the one yard line, three hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty two plays, there's been eighty five passes. That's a
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Speaker 2: little over twenty five percent, and there's only been two
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Speaker 2: sacks and Sam Donald took one of them. So I
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Speaker 2: think as a general I wanted them to run the ball.
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Speaker 2: But there is there is a rule or excuse me,
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Speaker 2: every offensive coach will say, well, if we never throw
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Speaker 2: the ball on the goal line, it's gonna be a
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Speaker 2: lot tougher to run. So I just gave you the numbers.
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Speaker 2: One out of four times teams are gonna throw on
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Speaker 2: first and goal at the one. Now, what happened because
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Speaker 2: it's a little late. You know, you watch the tape,
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Speaker 2: it's really easy to see on the TV that the
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Speaker 2: back is as wide open charbonnay. But if you look
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Speaker 2: at at the block where you've got Robby ots on
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Speaker 2: the end man on line of scrimmage, it's it's it's
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Speaker 2: right in line with where he wants to throw. So
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Speaker 2: you know what it is. I'm just certain Sam Donald
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Speaker 2: didn't see it. Hey, he might have seen the back,
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Speaker 2: but there was a portion of his vision he didn't
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Speaker 2: know if there was a defender, because remember there's a
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Speaker 2: play action. He turns his back to the defense, then
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Speaker 2: he looks out to the flat. At any rate, spider
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Speaker 2: two white banana also involves a crossing route from the
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Speaker 2: backside and usually a front side crosser as well, So
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Speaker 2: it wasn't exactly spider two banana, but it has elements
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Speaker 2: of that. But there's a critical difference that running back
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Speaker 2: the tailback in the flat, you know, just it jams
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Speaker 2: up the quarterbacks time and you're like, where's that backwards
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Speaker 2: back and you get off of it quicker because it
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Speaker 2: takes longer for the back to get there. So at
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Speaker 2: any rate, but you know what, they played the field
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Speaker 2: position game. When Seattle scored on the next ride, they
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Speaker 2: forced the punt and they got the ball. I got
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Speaker 2: to look it up, but they great at where thirty five? Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I thought, well that that really is like we got
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Speaker 2: the touchdown. We got the touchdown that you didn't get
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Speaker 2: on the opening drive.
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Speaker 3: So any rate, yeah, I think that's one of the
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Speaker 3: under reported, under discussed aspects of being aggressive on fourth down.
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Speaker 2: And look, I would have taken the points.
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Speaker 3: I didn't go through all of that on that beautiful
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Speaker 3: first drive and then have the sack and not come
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Speaker 3: away with points. I would have taken the points in
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Speaker 3: that situation. And you know how much I like going
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Speaker 3: for it on fourth down. But this is one thing
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Speaker 3: that people don't discuss enough is when you have a
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Speaker 3: great defensive team and you can pin the other team
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Speaker 3: inside their own five. The advantage that you get from
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Speaker 3: the from the field position if you stop them there,
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Speaker 3: if you have faith that you can stop them there,
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Speaker 3: it does pretty much give you two bytes at that
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Speaker 3: touchdown apple. And they ended up eating the apple. Now
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Speaker 3: it took them two drives to do it, you, but
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Speaker 3: they ended up getting the seven points.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know with the kickoffs, now, the starting
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Speaker 2: and field position is you know, pushing up over the
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Speaker 2: thirty yard lines. So the field goal has less value.
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Speaker 2: It just flat out does. It has less value because
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Speaker 2: of the field position you turn around after you kick off.
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Speaker 3: Hugh Melinis with us Monday morning quarterback session brought to
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Speaker 3: for Sleep and Core Construction. I know we have a
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Speaker 3: lot more things to discuss on the defensive side of
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Speaker 3: the ball, but since we're on the offensive side of
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Speaker 3: the ball. Sam Darnold and his performance, what did you
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Speaker 3: think about it? Only put thirteen points on the board,
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Speaker 3: but got himself a running game yesterday or Saturday night.
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Speaker 3: And uh, and certainly I thought he played well even
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Speaker 3: if you didn't score more than thirteen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you look in you say, okay, that
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Speaker 2: was the context of that game, and and it was
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Speaker 2: important for him. I bet internally, I'm not in his head.
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Speaker 2: But you know, he's talked about, hey, I I want
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Speaker 2: to limit the turnovers. And everybody has been putting spotlights
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Speaker 2: on him. You know, it seems like no matter how
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Speaker 2: many big games he wins, you know, you know, people
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Speaker 2: who don't really want to peel the next layer of
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Speaker 2: the onion. They want to say, well, he's never won
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Speaker 2: a big game, which is just absurd and nonsense. But
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Speaker 2: but I think he he realized what he needed to do.
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Speaker 2: He made He made a few big time throws. He played,
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Speaker 2: made some plays off script. Uh, he got to his
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Speaker 2: fourth receiver on on on some third down conversions that uh,
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Speaker 2: you know in the fourth quarter when he scrambled out
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Speaker 2: and hit Cup on that crosser, that was a huge play.
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Speaker 2: You know. I think that that there. You know, there
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Speaker 2: wasn't a lot he had to do, so it was
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Speaker 2: probably more just you know, run the offense. So I
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Speaker 2: I I commend what he did. And and as you said,
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Speaker 2: when you lean on when you have that glaring of
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Speaker 2: a of a discrepancy in the running game, you know,
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Speaker 2: how you're running the football, how they're they're not running
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Speaker 2: the football, and how they're banging around the passing game
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Speaker 2: for the forty nine as well, I think he just
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Speaker 2: took the temperature of the game and and executed. I
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Speaker 2: think I think what Bob Candota game a B plus.
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Speaker 2: I would agree with that. All right, well, that's good.
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Speaker 4: I mean when it comes to the run game, maybe
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Speaker 4: him not having to do as much, I mean, no touchdowns,
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Speaker 4: but obviously that who cares. You just go out and
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Speaker 4: win the ball game. And in large part is because
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Speaker 4: of the run game. I mean, what did you see.
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Speaker 4: Is that a depleted defensive front or was that just
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Speaker 4: where the Ken Walker and Jack Sarburney and the blocking
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Speaker 4: was as good as we've seen.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think they started off the first play of
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Speaker 2: the game with a stretch and they were particularly going
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Speaker 2: off that right side and getting the flow of This
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Speaker 2: is what we talked about last summer. Okay, the wide zone.
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Speaker 2: When you run that wide zone and you get that
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Speaker 2: thing working, then the defense flows and then then you
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Speaker 2: get those cutbacks up in the middle, and I just
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Speaker 2: the middle of that field was just really great, great
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Speaker 2: movement inside. I think certainly the forty nine ers are
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Speaker 2: hurting inside. They don't have the d tackles they used
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Speaker 2: to have. They don't have Fred Warner inside. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there was a play we talked about robbi Uts and
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Speaker 2: how he had the second most plays on a twenty
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Speaker 2: yard run by Knine. D Winters was the linebacker who
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Speaker 2: had to taken on Robbie Oots and he just allayed
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Speaker 2: like a matador, like like he wanted no part of
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Speaker 2: that Robbie Oots smoke whatsoever, right at the point of attack,
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Speaker 2: just completely running around a block like I can't tell
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Speaker 2: you how uncommon that is for a linebacker in the
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Speaker 2: NFL to try and handle a block in that situation. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: maybe in a you know, a wide play where you think, okay,
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Speaker 2: I got to slip a guy. No, not at the
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Speaker 2: point of the attack. Dee Winners said, no, thanks, And
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Speaker 2: that is not the forty nine you know, that's that's
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Speaker 2: not NFL is certainly not the forty nine ers. I
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Speaker 2: mean I think that they just uh, they played they
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Speaker 2: they only ran power what's called gap scheme where you're
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Speaker 2: pulling from the backside. They ran a power left and
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Speaker 2: they got shut down with Anthony Bradford. I don't know
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Speaker 2: why they don't know power right with Grey's Abel that
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Speaker 2: that didn't work, and so they they didn't run one
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Speaker 2: more gap scheme. I don't believe the rest of the game.
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Speaker 2: They did have one trap where Gray's Abel was going
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Speaker 2: to go left to right on a trap, which is
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Speaker 2: different than power, but other than that, it was all
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Speaker 2: zone blocking lead zone blocking, as I said with Robbie Utz.
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Speaker 2: And another a play called duo where it's when you
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Speaker 2: look at where the running back looks like he's just
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Speaker 2: blasting it straight up in the middle. Chances are it's
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Speaker 2: a play called duo where you got heavy double teams.
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Speaker 2: It's always a strong side play. And they were just
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Speaker 2: moving guys, and I thought there was a great you know,
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Speaker 2: tandem with Charbonne and ca nine. Obviously, I know you're
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Speaker 2: gonna ask me about the third and seventeen and the
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Speaker 2: nineteen yard run there, but yeah, I would say schematically
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Speaker 2: relatively simple. Not They didn't try a lot of stuff,
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Speaker 2: not a lot of bells and whistles, whereas the forty
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Speaker 2: nine ers were trying to do all this misdirection. As
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Speaker 2: I said, you know the idea that I know that
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Speaker 2: wasn't your question, but I just want to make the
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Speaker 2: contrast Seattle's running game versus San Francisco. The idea that
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Speaker 2: you'd have usteff on the field for nineteen plays, but
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Speaker 2: you'd only put him in the backfield once. That ain't
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Speaker 2: forty nine of ball. What is this? And so so yeah,
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Speaker 2: you're just all over Seattle just you know, they said
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Speaker 2: rock fight my ass. You know, here, here's a freaking
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Speaker 2: Louisville slugger to your freaking cranium. I mean it just
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Speaker 2: that's the mentality, Like like the two things that you
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Speaker 2: hear coaches talk about the most in my in my
19:27
Speaker 2: experience is execution and physicality. Execution can be everything, right,
19:33
Speaker 2: offensive line have to execute the you know, obviously quarterbacks
19:36
Speaker 2: and receivers execute, but but that's a part that you
19:40
Speaker 2: don't have to appeal to a player viscerally. Uh. But
19:45
Speaker 2: but the physicality, you gotta freaking dig deep. You gotta
19:49
Speaker 2: appeal to these guys like you go out there and
19:52
Speaker 2: you dominate, and and that's where the motivation all the
19:56
Speaker 2: you know, the you know, the Danzel Washington movies and
19:59
Speaker 2: the I mean, if you've ever heard a really fiery speech,
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Speaker 2: either a pregame speech, it has it's appealing to physicality.
20:10
Speaker 2: How determined are you to be physical? And the Seahawks
20:15
Speaker 2: just they just they took a team that has had
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Speaker 2: the reputation, as they said, winning his team in the
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Speaker 2: NFC since twenty nineteen, with a reputation of being the
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Speaker 2: most physical, and Seattle said, no, it's over. It's over.
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Speaker 2: Those days are gone. And oh, just I mean, damn,
20:33
Speaker 2: you gotta you don't love. I don't care if it's
20:35
Speaker 2: thirteen to three, you missed two field goals. I don't
20:37
Speaker 2: care thirteen to three. You know what, I liked that
20:40
Speaker 2: it was only thirteen to three, because that just rubs
20:42
Speaker 2: their freaking nose in it. More.
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Speaker 3: Here Mellen with us Monday morning quarterback session. We do
20:48
Speaker 3: have a little bit of breaking news. I think we
20:50
Speaker 3: should mention here and I'll get just a quick reaction
20:53
Speaker 3: from you, Hugh on it as Pete Carroll has in
20:57
Speaker 3: fact been fired this morning by the Las Vegas So
21:01
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll got another shot in the National Football League.
21:04
Speaker 3: He lasted just one season, posted the worst record in
21:07
Speaker 3: the NFL this year. He got thirty seconds for me
21:10
Speaker 3: on Pete Carroll's demise there in Vegas.
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Speaker 2: No schudenfreud from me or whatever however you pronounce it.
21:16
Speaker 2: You know, I just kind of look at he's probably
21:18
Speaker 2: done coaching, may you know, probably in the Hall of
21:21
Speaker 2: Fame at the college level, maybe at the Hall of
21:25
Speaker 2: Fame at the NFL level. And you know, he's the
21:29
Speaker 2: coach this is a franchise that has been around fifty years.
21:32
Speaker 2: He's the coach that brought the one Lombardi trophies. So
21:36
Speaker 2: and an innervator in terms of bringing a college mentality
21:42
Speaker 2: of hey, how do we support the players? He was
21:46
Speaker 2: a cover two guys shell guy at USC. He was
21:49
Speaker 2: totally different at Seattle with a single high cover three.
21:56
Speaker 2: Very influential for for you know, the better part of
21:59
Speaker 2: a decade in terms of the schematics around the NFL.
22:02
Speaker 2: And you know, and won a lot of games. So
22:06
Speaker 2: I think that you can have two truths. John Schneider
22:09
Speaker 2: did the right thing at the right time relative to
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Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, and we can we can stop for a
22:18
Speaker 2: minute and tip our hat and be appreciative of what
22:21
Speaker 2: he brought. That would be my thought. Yeah, absolutely all right.
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Speaker 3: We continue a lot more to discuss about Saturday night,
22:27
Speaker 3: the path moving forward, the season at large as a whole.
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Speaker 3: We'll discuss at all with our top analyst, Hugh Millineck
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Speaker 3: Sports Radio ninety three point three kJ RFM, Niners.
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Speaker 5: Half second out and go with a six yard lot
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Speaker 5: of Seattle.
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Speaker 2: Two receivers left and one right. Shot gun staph Party.
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Speaker 5: He looks right, he throws short, caught by McCaffrey.
22:47
Speaker 2: No, he juggle it and it's picked off. What let's
22:49
Speaker 2: pulled away? Trake Thomas picks it up. Man, Drake Thomas
22:57
Speaker 2: has turned out to be a solid player.
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Speaker 3: It's Chuck Buck, It's Ashley, Yes, it's chucking Back in
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Speaker 3: the mornings, Monday morning quarterback session, we're talking about the
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Speaker 3: seahawks thirteen to three win over San Francisco that locked
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Speaker 3: up the division, the number one seed, home field advantage,
23:12
Speaker 3: the bye, everything, everything in the world all at once,
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Speaker 3: and we've got our QB one with us Hugh millen
23:18
Speaker 3: to discuss it. We wanted to dive further into the
23:21
Speaker 3: defense and just to kind of set the backdrop for
23:24
Speaker 3: this question here. I mean, rock Perty had been just
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Speaker 3: absolutely on fire coming into this game over nine hundred
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Speaker 3: yards passing over the course of the last three games combined.
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Speaker 3: He was responsible for thirteen touchdowns over those last three
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Speaker 3: games combined. I mean, he was doing no wrong really
23:41
Speaker 3: for San Francisco, and Hugh he runs into Mike McDonald,
23:46
Speaker 3: felt like he didn't get a clean pocket the entire game,
23:50
Speaker 3: throughout the contest, all the way up to the very
23:53
Speaker 3: last snap of the game. So what did Mike McDonald
23:57
Speaker 3: and the defense do so well to confuse him?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had been averaging two hundred ninety seven yards,
24:03
Speaker 2: as you said, and one hundred and forty three passer
24:06
Speaker 2: rating over the last three eight weeks, and he gets
24:08
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty seven yards and a sixty four
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Speaker 2: point nine passer rating, just literally more than halved what
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Speaker 2: his performance had been. And you know what what impresses
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Speaker 2: me is just how Seattle was so on point on
24:25
Speaker 2: eleven guys when they wanted to play cover four Mike
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Speaker 2: McDonald with which is a forty three under zone, six
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Speaker 2: plays nineteen yards, three point two yard average for the
24:37
Speaker 2: forty nin ers when they want to play a two
24:38
Speaker 2: deep cover of a two deep five under, they had
24:42
Speaker 2: four plays fifteen yards. That's three point seven yards the
24:46
Speaker 2: three deep that Pete Carroll had four plays nineteen yards
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Speaker 2: under five yards. These were talking past he's not running
24:54
Speaker 2: stats these you know, these are passed under five yards
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Speaker 2: the uh. But what probably I when when they rush
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Speaker 2: five they had eight plays forty nine ers had thirty
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Speaker 2: two yards exactly four yards, so they were sound. They
25:10
Speaker 2: only brought six guys one time. It was the fourth
25:14
Speaker 2: down and Seattle played a two deep three under zone.
25:18
Speaker 2: Now let me just try and to express to you
25:19
Speaker 2: what that means. If you're the usually if you rush
25:23
Speaker 2: you have four guys, you have seven guys playing zero.
25:26
Speaker 2: If you're gonna play a two deep, you gotta have
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Speaker 2: five under. Seattle played two deep, three under, and yet
25:32
Speaker 2: they still were able to glove up the uh. The
25:36
Speaker 2: route combination where they're trying to get George Kittle on
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Speaker 2: a sale, the safety in the corner in the position
25:42
Speaker 2: to squeeze on it. The pressure came fast. Like there
25:46
Speaker 2: if you played, if you played a grease board argument
25:50
Speaker 2: with an offensive coordinator a defensive coordinator, and a defensive
25:53
Speaker 2: coordinator goes up and says, well here's a two dep
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Speaker 2: three under. The offensive coordinator laugh, and it just start
25:58
Speaker 2: drawing up left you all, you can't come for this,
26:00
Speaker 2: you can't cover this, look at these holes, like, what
26:02
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Two deep three hunderd And yet
26:04
Speaker 2: they did that on the fourth down. The probably what
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Speaker 2: I like the best when they played Mando Many. They
26:12
Speaker 2: played nine plays of man a man. The forty nine
26:17
Speaker 2: ers had eighteen yards two yards per play in Mando Man.
26:23
Speaker 2: And every single time they kept us a post safety
26:26
Speaker 2: in the middle. They didn't They didn't play any cover zero.
26:28
Speaker 2: They didn't get crazy casino and leave the middle exposed.
26:32
Speaker 2: But a couple of plays I loved the play where
26:35
Speaker 2: they they ran a bunch of misdirection. We got we
26:38
Speaker 2: got us Jeff going in motion. We're gonna fake fly sweep.
26:43
Speaker 2: There was there was all these things buzzing around, and
26:46
Speaker 2: I know that Kyle Shanan was going, oh, I love this,
26:51
Speaker 2: I love this because he's gonna put Juwan Jennings running
26:56
Speaker 2: behind the line of script. Some people called a submarine
26:59
Speaker 2: round and and he Sanahan was looking go oh yeah, yeah, man,
27:03
Speaker 2: we got cover one, great, great great, Andrek Wolan went
27:07
Speaker 2: from one slot and he sprinted across and they had
27:12
Speaker 2: and Drake Thomas didn't pick him. I know Kyle Sander
27:16
Speaker 2: was hoping Drake Thomas they had it. They had it
27:18
Speaker 2: scattered out and Rik Wollen when you see a coat
27:22
Speaker 2: when the players watch the all twenty two, the zoom
27:25
Speaker 2: lens is pulled back, and so all the players like
27:28
Speaker 2: you got twenty two little ants. I mean that's an exaggeration.
27:31
Speaker 2: But when you see like real speed, it just you
27:34
Speaker 2: just go whoa because the camera lens is so far.
27:37
Speaker 2: And Rik Wollan sprinted all the way across and took
27:41
Speaker 2: Juwan Jennings and he grabbed him and he freaking threw
27:44
Speaker 2: him on the ground for a one yard loss. And
27:47
Speaker 2: Kyle Sanadan is going, what whiskey tango foxtrot is going
27:52
Speaker 2: on around here? Other plays and Man and Man a
27:55
Speaker 2: throwback screen all this misdirection. They wanted to put on
27:58
Speaker 2: a magic show every damn play with with all the
28:00
Speaker 2: different things going, and Seattle just said, do your little
28:04
Speaker 2: magic show. At some point you got advanced the football, pass,
28:07
Speaker 2: the line scrimmage. They were just so disciplined in their eyes.
28:10
Speaker 2: They have a throwback screen to uh to uh. George
28:14
Speaker 2: Kittle in Man and Man and Nicky Man worry he
28:18
Speaker 2: sniffs this thing out. There's three linemen to block him.
28:21
Speaker 2: Uh uh, Emon Worry just sniffed, you know, I went
28:24
Speaker 2: around those guys dropped him for six yard loss. Uh.
28:28
Speaker 2: Misdirection in some sense, a little whip route where you
28:31
Speaker 2: start the shallow cross and then snap back out. You
28:34
Speaker 2: try and take an advantage of a over aggressive corner.
28:39
Speaker 2: Witherspoon is out there, he follows the shallow cross with
28:42
Speaker 2: that beautiful athleticism. He sprints back. Uh party, throws it
28:46
Speaker 2: out on the flat, throws it high and and Witherspoon
28:51
Speaker 2: just buries the receiver in the chest minus one yard,
28:55
Speaker 2: like like, these are the things. These are so crushing
28:58
Speaker 2: when they're just their reaction the uh uh? What are
29:04
Speaker 2: what are some other ones that I love? The uh uh?
29:08
Speaker 2: How about the uh there's okay, here's another part of
29:11
Speaker 2: their their pass defense that I love. So coaches, when
29:16
Speaker 2: you play every team in the NFL has a drill
29:18
Speaker 2: called the seven on seven. It's a pass only drill.
29:22
Speaker 2: So if the quarterback, so they're oftentimes the linebackers are
29:25
Speaker 2: getting deep and sometimes you have to throw a check
29:27
Speaker 2: down that you want don't want to and then the
29:29
Speaker 2: defensive coaches always woof, they go yeah, five yards plus
29:33
Speaker 2: a headache. Five yards plus a headache. You know you
29:36
Speaker 2: want to check down in zone, We're gonna come and
29:39
Speaker 2: wrap your ass. Well, guess what fourteen times that rock
29:44
Speaker 2: party through where the air yards are one to six,
29:47
Speaker 2: those are in that that's generally where you go with
29:49
Speaker 2: a checkdown. What does that mean? That means brock Perty
29:51
Speaker 2: has been given a play he wants to throw the
29:53
Speaker 2: ball down the field. This the Seahawks are defending the
29:56
Speaker 2: play and he and he's got to go to his checkdown.
29:59
Speaker 2: He gets ten completions out of it because they forced
30:01
Speaker 2: some incompletions, and twenty three yards after the catch. Twenty
30:07
Speaker 2: three yards after the catch on ten completions, that's two
30:11
Speaker 2: point three. Well two point three. Wait a minute, if
30:15
Speaker 2: you're six feet tall, that's two yards already. That means
30:18
Speaker 2: if you just stopped and you just fell forward with
30:21
Speaker 2: your with the football above your helmet, that's that's the
30:25
Speaker 2: yards after the catch that see it they're tackling was
30:28
Speaker 2: crazy five yards aheadache. How about the time, Oh, let
30:32
Speaker 2: me do all this, you know, bells and whistles, and
30:34
Speaker 2: let me go a flea flicker, and we're gonna try
30:37
Speaker 2: and go post wheel. So we're gonna post. Nope, Riek
30:41
Speaker 2: Wols got the post. We're gonna go a wheel route.
30:43
Speaker 2: We're gonna kind of stutter and stutter try and get
30:45
Speaker 2: George Kittle on a wheel route up the sideline which
30:48
Speaker 2: has burned the sea X. By the way, I mentioned
30:50
Speaker 2: that this forty nine ers since twenty nineteen rushed for
30:55
Speaker 2: what I say, one one hundred and fifty one yards
30:58
Speaker 2: per game. They throw for two hundred and fifty six.
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Speaker 2: Like I've seen him hit these wheels. Guess what Julian
31:04
Speaker 2: love is Just like it's like he was in the huddle.
31:06
Speaker 2: No no, no posts, no wheel. Let's check it down
31:09
Speaker 2: to Christian McCaffrey. Well, there's Emn Worri and Ernest Jones
31:13
Speaker 2: to just smack the hell out of the three yards
31:15
Speaker 2: and and Kyle Shannan's going We practiced that, we got
31:19
Speaker 2: a fleet flicker, we got post wheel, We didn't practice
31:21
Speaker 2: getting three yards and a headache like like. So it's
31:25
Speaker 2: just it's just all over this damn tape. It's just
31:29
Speaker 2: they're so tied together. They only played man and man
31:32
Speaker 2: as I said, uh, when I say nine times eighteen
31:36
Speaker 2: yards the rest of the time their zone. And they're
31:39
Speaker 2: so and different zones. As I describe, they are so
31:43
Speaker 2: tied together they have an awareness of where everybody is
31:47
Speaker 2: and where their help is. Drake Thomas had a hell
31:50
Speaker 2: of a game. Oh man, just my eyes get watery
31:56
Speaker 2: just thinking about what a freaking bootstomp that was against
32:00
Speaker 2: your arts rival.
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean you mentioned Drake Thomas. I mean,
32:03
Speaker 4: this defense doesn't need a lot of luck. They create
32:07
Speaker 4: some of it. And then just like you said, we're
32:08
Speaker 4: just smothering and their tackling was unbelievable. But all of
32:12
Speaker 4: a sudden, you do get some with that. I mean
32:14
Speaker 4: kind of the drive that they're getting ready to go
32:16
Speaker 4: down there and possibly turn it into a one score game.
32:19
Speaker 4: And I think the ball was tipped a little bit.
32:22
Speaker 4: Then it makes him go behind Christian McCaffrey and it
32:25
Speaker 4: goes off his hands right into Drake Thomas's belly. I mean,
32:28
Speaker 4: you can't help but get a little bit lucky in
32:31
Speaker 4: a situation like that, right.
32:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say. So, you know, it's a second
32:37
Speaker 2: and six and the forty nine ers have a bunch
32:41
Speaker 2: left and Seattle's playing what's called a cover four with
32:46
Speaker 2: a component to what's called poachs. What that means it's
32:50
Speaker 2: a fourty three under Well, if you only have three
32:53
Speaker 2: guys underneath, you have to play what's called man concepts
32:56
Speaker 2: within a zone, and that's really critical. Yeah, Drake Thomas
32:59
Speaker 2: against Christian McCaffrey, it's like manned man because the safety
33:03
Speaker 2: to his side is the term poach is. Let's say
33:08
Speaker 2: I'm brock here Rock party, and i am sitting there
33:12
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at I got three receivers to my left.
33:15
Speaker 2: Three man concept. Originally I thought it was an option
33:20
Speaker 2: route to Christian McCaffrey on the right, but you got
33:23
Speaker 2: an inbreaking route coming from the opposite place. So McCaffrey
33:30
Speaker 2: was only going to break to the flat. He was
33:32
Speaker 2: not going to break inside. He did not have that option.
33:35
Speaker 2: But Drake Thomas doesn't know that, so he plays inside out.
33:40
Speaker 2: He's got a guard what's called the Texas route, the
33:42
Speaker 2: angle route inside, he's got a block. He's got to
33:45
Speaker 2: cover that first. Kittle had been on that side to
33:48
Speaker 2: clear out the corner, so you got a one on one.
33:51
Speaker 2: If you're San Francisco, you like that matchup. The safety
33:54
Speaker 2: to that side was poaching, meaning he's looking even though
33:57
Speaker 2: he's on the side away from the bunch. He's looking
34:01
Speaker 2: over to any crossing route to that side, and so, uh.
34:06
Speaker 2: But I thought Drake Thomas had pretty good coverage. He was,
34:10
Speaker 2: you know, in a position where you're right a perfect throw,
34:14
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a touchdown. But boy, Mafy gets his
34:17
Speaker 2: hand up. And that's one of the things that's another
34:19
Speaker 2: part of this past defense. I thought the edge rushers,
34:24
Speaker 2: they were converting speed to power all night. What do
34:28
Speaker 2: I mean? They were getting a what what's called a
34:30
Speaker 2: wide nine technique wide and then they were bursting up.
34:33
Speaker 2: But they weren't trying to go around the tackles they
34:37
Speaker 2: were they were they were running and then they would
34:39
Speaker 2: convert that speed and then bullrush them late. So they
34:42
Speaker 2: were squeezing the brock purty all night. And then I
34:46
Speaker 2: thought there was good pressure from the inside. Maybe not elite,
34:51
Speaker 2: but there was just constant pressure. And there was a
34:54
Speaker 2: few times you saw it. Purdy got whipsawed. And but
34:58
Speaker 2: but I thought the ends, you know, a Hall was
35:02
Speaker 2: just you know, he got suspended. He came back like
35:04
Speaker 2: a man who was suspended and pissed the hell off.
35:07
Speaker 2: He he had a hell of a game and and
35:10
Speaker 2: Mafey got his hand up, and yeah, there's a little
35:12
Speaker 2: bit of luck. But you know what, Drake Thomas, that
35:14
Speaker 2: was a that was an unbelievable athletic play. You know,
35:18
Speaker 2: if JSN caught a tipball like that, you'd go, WHOA.
35:21
Speaker 2: That just shows the type of hands hand eye coordination
35:24
Speaker 2: that JSN had for Thomas to make that interception. Yeah,
35:30
Speaker 2: that was that was That was a hell of a play.
35:32
Speaker 2: But you know what, he he uh diagnosed in the
35:35
Speaker 2: running game and in the passing game. He was part
35:38
Speaker 2: of those five yards and a headache crowd. Uh wow.
35:42
Speaker 2: Uh so, so yeah, they got fortunate there play the game.
35:45
Speaker 2: But but just credit his athleticism to be able to
35:48
Speaker 2: have the hands and somehow uh turn that into his interception.
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Speaker 2: Look up rock party, all.
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Speaker 3: Of you during the break and tell me that that
36:10
Speaker 3: isn't a spitting image of a young John Harbaugh. By
36:13
Speaker 3: the way, somebody might want to find out if John
36:16
Speaker 3: Harball was in Gilbert, Arizona in nineteen ninety six, because
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Speaker 3: I think that's his son. We'll talk about things other
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Speaker 5: Big hold a run throw and still growling rock down
36:31
Speaker 5: from behind as he crossed the thirty five and the
36:35
Speaker 5: Seahawks are averaging about eight yards of carry.
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Speaker 2: Pau Joe Buck he has been on the call there.
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Speaker 3: Seahawks win over the forty nine ers Saturday night, thirteen
36:48
Speaker 3: to three, and there was much joy here.
36:51
Speaker 2: We are on Chuck It Back in the Morning.
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Speaker 3: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM, breaking it all
36:56
Speaker 3: down for you Monday morning quarterback session. Mike Holmgren joins
36:59
Speaker 3: us at nine o'clock.
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Speaker 2: We've got Hugh millin right now.
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Speaker 3: Ken Walker Zach Charbonay, both effective in the game Saturday.
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Speaker 2: We've been waiting for that all season long, Hugh.
37:09
Speaker 3: And I got to ask you though, because Troyigman said
37:12
Speaker 3: it was the play of the game the third and seventeen,
37:16
Speaker 3: the handoff to Walker, which for the second time in
37:20
Speaker 3: what three weeks, it's felt to me like it was
37:22
Speaker 3: just a throwaway play.
37:24
Speaker 2: That ends up going for a first down.
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Speaker 3: He gets nineteen yards out of it, moves the sticks,
37:29
Speaker 3: keeps the drive alive, and you got points I believe
37:31
Speaker 3: on that drive.
37:32
Speaker 2: So talk about how they're.
37:34
Speaker 3: Executing this throwaway player they just getting lucky.
37:39
Speaker 2: Well I think they're getting a little bit lucky, but
37:41
Speaker 2: they're getting incredible execution by a ton of people on that.
37:47
Speaker 2: So the ball's on the left hash and one of
37:51
Speaker 2: the components is if you're going to try and one
37:54
Speaker 2: run wide right, which they did, you can have one
37:59
Speaker 2: of three plays is generally speaking, where the running back
38:03
Speaker 2: can align at the snap of the ball. Generally you'd say, okay,
38:07
Speaker 2: if the quarterback's under center, that that running backs can
38:09
Speaker 2: be like a tailback or what's called the dot position
38:12
Speaker 2: right behind the quarterback. And then you sometimes if you're
38:16
Speaker 2: in shotgun, you try and go wide zone. The running
38:21
Speaker 2: back is on the quarterbacks left. He's aligned up like
38:24
Speaker 2: in the B gap between the guard and the tackle
38:26
Speaker 2: on the left side, but he's trying to get wide right.
38:29
Speaker 2: In this case, you've got the running The first part
38:32
Speaker 2: that helps make it is it's what's called a quick
38:35
Speaker 2: pitch because he's aligned to the side like a sidecar
38:39
Speaker 2: and a motorcycle like he right, so he's aligned to
38:41
Speaker 2: the right side, and so you quick pitch it to him,
38:45
Speaker 2: and you had a bunch of great blocks. First of all,
38:49
Speaker 2: that there's one who's sits number twenty seven for San Francisco.
38:53
Speaker 2: He's the unblocked safety. He you got Canine who's running
38:57
Speaker 2: it wide, and and yet he cuts it up on
39:01
Speaker 2: the numbers. So he starts to go wide. The numbers.
39:04
Speaker 2: The bottom of the numbers are twelve yards from the
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Speaker 2: sideline and the top of fourteen. So so there was
39:12
Speaker 2: a lot of space that San Francisco still had to
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Speaker 2: defend outside of the numbers, but Canine cuts it up.
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Speaker 2: Here's Bobo. First of all, he was in the slot.
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Speaker 2: He takes on a protocol block with who's forty eight
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Speaker 2: the linebacker for I should have this damn roster. But
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Speaker 2: but he takes on an inside linebacker.
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Speaker 3: Whoever's gonna go around was the first guy that you
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Speaker 3: were talking about, Yeah, then Tatum Bethune is the other guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a middle linebacker, so he is. Uh so
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Speaker 2: Bobo's got to take on a big Bobo six foot four,
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Speaker 2: big receiver. But but Bethune is coming full speed and
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Speaker 2: I call it a protocol block because somebody's going into
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Speaker 2: concussion protocol. That was a big hit. But then you've
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Speaker 2: got We've talked about how Sundell. He's not gonna win
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Speaker 2: a lot of power contests, but he's a great athlete
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Speaker 2: by center standards. He gets he is all the way
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Speaker 2: outside the numbers and he gets really good wood on
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Speaker 2: a on a dB Gray Zabel from left guard. Remember
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Speaker 2: this is a quick pitch to the right. Gray Zabel,
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Speaker 2: He's gonna block the inside backer on away from the
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Speaker 2: point of attack. He's got a sprint over there. He's
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Speaker 2: got to run diagonal. You can't run to the guy.
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Speaker 2: You got to run to the spot where the collision's
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Speaker 2: gonna take. He rides him for about eight yards. Uh
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Speaker 2: Sour was also took a dB A. Are you so
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Speaker 2: you got guys from the backside, the backside, tight end,
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Speaker 2: the backside guard the center. Those guys were way behind
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Speaker 2: the play because what do we say, Canine was was
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Speaker 2: in the B gap on the on the play side,
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Speaker 2: meaning on the right B gap between between Bradford and
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Speaker 2: uh and.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 2: Lucas seventy two Lucas damn yeah, Lucas, Yeah, between seventy
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Speaker 2: I'm looking at so many notes, so he was those
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Speaker 2: backside linemen had to get all the way over. They
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Speaker 2: rode wrote it out, and then Canine did a great
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Speaker 2: job of of just seeing a lane right up the
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Speaker 2: numbers where everybody had the perimeter defense and tried to
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Speaker 2: flow towards the sideline. But an event, just beautiful blocking
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Speaker 2: by a number of people. I mean, I just said,
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Speaker 2: you know, I just said you know. And even JSN
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Speaker 2: had a little bit of a block on the overhang
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Speaker 2: defender the the nickel dB. So uh, that's all I
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Speaker 2: can tell you. Just great blocking and very difficult blocking,
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Speaker 2: very very any one of those you don't make, San
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Speaker 2: Francisco gets the tackle money.
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