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When UFOs Crash: Seven Shocking Cases · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Preston Dennett, and thank you for joining
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  Speaker 2: me for a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing something a little different, something I've only done
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  Speaker 2: a couple of times. I'm going to be talking about
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  Speaker 2: UFO crashes. In fact, the title of today's episode is
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  Speaker 2: when UFOs Crash Seven Shocking cases, and yes, UFOs do crash.
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  Speaker 2: I think we have enough reports to say for sure
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  Speaker 2: that this does happen. You might ask why, because I
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  Speaker 2: think there is a conception that ET's are so advanced,
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  Speaker 2: how could they possibly crash? And I think the reason
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  Speaker 2: we see so many cases is because our own gravitational
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  Speaker 2: magnetic field lines on our planet are very unstable right
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  Speaker 2: now especially, but have been for the last fifty or
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  Speaker 2: one hundred years, and you can look up the science
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  Speaker 2: on this. This absolutely is verified, and if you study
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  Speaker 2: the UFO accounts, the contact tee reports in particular, you
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  Speaker 2: will see that contactees have been told that ets fly
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  Speaker 2: their craft by harnessing the magnetic gravitational field lines of
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  Speaker 2: our planet, which are very changeable, very unstable, and accidents
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  Speaker 2: do happen even to those with very advanced technology. So
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  Speaker 2: I think that's why we see UFO crashes. Now, I've
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  Speaker 2: got seven cases for you today, coming from all over
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  Speaker 2: the world, five outside of the United States and two
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  Speaker 2: within the United States. So the locations of these events
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  Speaker 2: include Australia, Estonia, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Venezuela, and two within the
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  Speaker 2: United States, including New Mexico and Ohio. So what's really
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  Speaker 2: interesting about cases like these is they are far more numerous,
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  Speaker 2: I think than most people realize. It's certainly not just
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  Speaker 2: the Roswell UFO crash of nineteen forty seven or the
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  Speaker 2: other famous cases like the az Tech UFO crash in
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  Speaker 2: New Mexico or the Paradise Valley Arizona crash, Kexburg, Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 2: Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Those are the really well known ones.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the ones we all know about. But if
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  Speaker 2: you look into this, you will see that there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot more cases. And I am guessing that the
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  Speaker 2: vast majority of cases we never hear about at all
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  Speaker 2: because they have been effectively covered up. The seven I'm
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  Speaker 2: covering for you today, I'd be surprised if you've heard
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  Speaker 2: of these. I'm sure that there's some of them you've
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  Speaker 2: never heard of. Maybe a couple are pretty well known
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  Speaker 2: if you're really into this subject. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be absolutely surprised to find that you've
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  Speaker 2: never heard of some.
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  Speaker 1: Of these cases.
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  Speaker 2: What I like about this particular aspect of upology is
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  Speaker 2: it is one of the cutting edges of UFO research.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's three main areas that have the greatest
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  Speaker 2: potential for change. One is definitely contact tee accounts. People
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  Speaker 2: who are taken on board, people have face to face
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  Speaker 2: encounters with humanoids, So much potential there to learn about ets,
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  Speaker 2: who they are, where they come from, why they're here,
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  Speaker 2: what they have to teach us. So that's definitely a
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  Speaker 2: very important aspect of UFO research. I think the disclosure
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  Speaker 2: movement is definitely gaining steam and we're getting definite strides
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  Speaker 2: forward and getting some truth and transparency with this subject.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we're going to see great changes there
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  Speaker 2: for sure. But this particular aspect of UFO crashes, UFO
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  Speaker 2: crash retrievals, reverse engineering, this I think has absolute potential
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  Speaker 2: to change everything. It would be a complex game changer.
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  Speaker 2: All bets are off because if we can get our
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  Speaker 2: whole hands on this evidence, it would be absolutely conclusive
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  Speaker 2: there would be no more mystery, there'd be no more
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  Speaker 2: argument about who these guys are. You know, what's the
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  Speaker 2: nature of the extraterrestrial phenomena. I think we're dealing with
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  Speaker 2: extraterrestrials people like us, and I think these cases absolutely
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  Speaker 2: demonstrate that it's ironic because all of these UFO crash
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  Speaker 2: cases are purely anecdotal, resting solely on eyewitness testimony. But
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  Speaker 2: here we have the most conclusive, hands down, all bets
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  Speaker 2: are off evidence. If we could get our hands on
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  Speaker 2: these craft, this technology, these bodies, we would know for
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  Speaker 2: sure what's going on. And by all accounts, our governments
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  Speaker 2: all across the world one percent know what's going on
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  Speaker 2: and have these crafts and have these bodies and are
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  Speaker 2: reverse engineering it. So that makes this subject so important
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  Speaker 2: because it has the potential to change everything. So let's
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  Speaker 2: get started. The first case I'd like to cover today
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  Speaker 2: I call UFO Crash in Venezuela. This one occurred apparently
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  Speaker 2: around nineteen fifty two in the Amazonian jungle of Venezuela.
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  Speaker 2: It is a single witness case, but it was very,
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  Speaker 2: very thoroughly investigated, and it's really quite unusual, and there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of details in this one that I think
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  Speaker 2: argue for its veracity. Again, this case rests on the
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  Speaker 2: testimony of a single witness, but its credibility is vouched
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  Speaker 2: for by multiple witnesses, and the case was thoroughly investigated
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  Speaker 2: by UFO researchers. It first appeared in an article by
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  Speaker 2: Joel Maynard in the French magazine Lumiere don la NUIs
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  Speaker 2: Lights in the Night, that was in the September October
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five issue number three thirty five. The title
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  Speaker 2: of the article was a UFO crash with corpses in
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  Speaker 2: Venezuela in the early nineteen fifties, but it was also
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  Speaker 2: reprinted in the Flying Saucer Review the Autumn nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine issue. The witness is known only by his initials JP.
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  Speaker 2: It is in some ways a bizarre story, but again
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  Speaker 2: does contain details that align with other UFO cases. The
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  Speaker 2: witness JP was a pastry cook and a stonemason. He
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  Speaker 2: lived in Galicia, Spain, but around nineteen fifty one fifty
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  Speaker 2: two thereabouts moved to Caracas, Venezuela, where he had a relative.
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  Speaker 1: He had an adventure in his.
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  Speaker 2: Hearts, and he hoped to search for gold in the
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  Speaker 2: gold rich Amazonian jungle. So he and five others, after
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  Speaker 2: arriving there, gathered together food, gear, animals, weapons and all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of supplies, and about five hundred kilometers southwest of Caracas,
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  Speaker 2: they entered the jungle. Now this expedition turned out to
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  Speaker 2: be a disastrous failure and really ended up as a
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  Speaker 2: fight for survival. In fact, some of their party did
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  Speaker 2: not survive, and morale quickly dropped in the group because
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  Speaker 2: they found no gold whatsoever. They ultimately decided to split up,
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  Speaker 2: so JP and one other man went on alone, and
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  Speaker 2: they of course ran out of food and gear, so
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  Speaker 2: the other man decided to head back while JP continued
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  Speaker 2: on alone. So now he's all alone in the Amazonian jungle.
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  Speaker 2: His estimated location is south of Merita, deep in the
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  Speaker 2: heart of the Amazon Forest in Venezuela. So he's hacking
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  Speaker 2: his way through the jungle with a machete when he
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  Speaker 2: noticed something glittering and metallic some distance away at the
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  Speaker 2: foot of a volcanic mountain. This was some miles away,
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  Speaker 2: and thinking it might be the precious gold he had
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  Speaker 2: been hoping to find, he spent the next few days
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  Speaker 2: making his way towards the spot, and finally reaching the area,
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  Speaker 2: he was shocked to see something else entirely, a twenty
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  Speaker 2: five to thirty foot wide metallic disc shaped craft with
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  Speaker 2: a six foot wide dome on top. He said the
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  Speaker 2: craft was emitting a kind of beep beep noise. It
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  Speaker 2: lay at a slight angle on the train. It appeared
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  Speaker 2: to be resting on what looked like tripod landing gear. Now,
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  Speaker 2: at the time, JP had never heard of UFOs or extraterrestrials,
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  Speaker 2: and he assumed that this must be an advanced military craft,
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  Speaker 2: and he was intrigued, so he set up camp nearby
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  Speaker 2: and waited to see if the military would show up.
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  Speaker 2: But some days later they still hadn't shown up. This
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  Speaker 2: beeping noise stopped, so JP decided to make a closer inspection.
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  Speaker 2: He walked right up to it with his gun and
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  Speaker 2: touched the tip of his rifle to the craft, and
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  Speaker 2: was amazed to find that his gun kind of stuck
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  Speaker 2: to it, as if the craft was a powerful magnet,
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  Speaker 2: so he pulled that off. He climbed around to the
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  Speaker 2: other side, higher up against the slope, and this is
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  Speaker 2: when he noticed an opening into the craft with a
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  Speaker 2: small ladder, a metallic ladder leading down to the ground,
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  Speaker 2: and at the base of this ladder was the body of.
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  Speaker 1: A small being.
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  Speaker 2: The body was about three and a half feet long
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  Speaker 2: at a very large head, kind of yellowish skin. The
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  Speaker 2: eyes were covered with a mask of some kind, a
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  Speaker 2: little technological device of some kind. But he could see
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  Speaker 2: that the being had almost no nose, just two holes
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  Speaker 2: for nostrils, very thin lifts. She had very long arms
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  Speaker 2: with hands ending in six fingers, was wearing a torn
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  Speaker 2: one piece garment that exposed the body. Now further report,
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  Speaker 2: in this case the being was well endowed. Probably not true.
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  Speaker 2: That actually comes from another witness who took the notes
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  Speaker 2: on this case, but we'll talk more about that later.
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  Speaker 2: At any rate, removing the mask, JP saw that this
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  Speaker 2: being's eyes were very large, almond shaped and wrapped right
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  Speaker 2: around the side of the head, very much the typical
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  Speaker 2: grays we hear about today. Again, the idea of aliens
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  Speaker 2: was completely foreign to him. So he's looking at this
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  Speaker 2: thing and wondering if it might be some kind of
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  Speaker 2: devil or something, but seeing that it was clearly dead,
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  Speaker 2: he realized that no, this had once been a living
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  Speaker 2: being and whatever it was was definitely not human. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't until much later that he realized that this must
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  Speaker 2: have been an extraterrestrial, so he decided to bury the
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  Speaker 2: body out of respect. Afterwards, he examined the mask that
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  Speaker 2: had been on this ET's face placed it over his
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  Speaker 2: own eyes. During the day, he said he could see
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  Speaker 2: nothing through it, it was just a blur. But at night
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  Speaker 2: he was shocked to see that it gathered enough light
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  Speaker 2: in the darkness so that he could see quote an
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  Speaker 2: infinity of stars. So this sounds kind of like night
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  Speaker 2: vision goggles, which, according to Colonel Corso, was one of
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  Speaker 2: the things one of the technologies that was retrieved from
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  Speaker 2: the Roswell Ufo crash. So you can take that report
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  Speaker 2: for what it is. At any rate, JP instantly realized
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  Speaker 2: the value of this object and decided to keep it
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  Speaker 2: as proof of his experience. His next step was to
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  Speaker 2: inspect the craft more closely. He tried to scratch it
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  Speaker 2: or dent it, but of course was unable to do so,
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  Speaker 2: so he crawled around it and was amazed to see
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  Speaker 2: a transparent porthole on the dome section. So he climbed
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  Speaker 2: up and peered through the porthole, and he saw three
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  Speaker 2: additional identical looking little men sitting in seats facing a
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  Speaker 2: very simple console. All three of them were lifeless. He
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  Speaker 2: finally summoned the courage to go inside the opening. He
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  Speaker 2: said he saw kind of like spiral staircase leading up
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  Speaker 2: to the dome on top, but was never able to
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  Speaker 2: get inside of it. He found no opening endo it.
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  Speaker 2: He saw that the floor looked almost transparent. It was
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  Speaker 2: dark in there, so he had to use a flashlight,
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  Speaker 2: and he saw what looked what he described something like
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  Speaker 2: bones beneath it. He didn't know what it was, but
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  Speaker 2: he was very spooked, so he exited the craft and
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  Speaker 2: decided to leave the area, hoping to return later better
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  Speaker 2: equipped and with more people. The only item from the
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  Speaker 2: craft that he brought with him was this alleged alien
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  Speaker 2: mask or night vision goggles, whatever it was. He finally
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  Speaker 2: found his way back to Caracas, Venezuela. He tried sharing
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  Speaker 2: his story with various people in the hopes of getting
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  Speaker 2: supplies and money for another expedition, but most who heard
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  Speaker 2: his story were skeptical. So finally JP revealed that he
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  Speaker 2: could prove his story that he had an artifact. As
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  Speaker 2: he spoke about it, there was an American in the
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  Speaker 2: bar where he was talking about it, perhaps a CI agent.
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  Speaker 2: That's JP's suspicion, because two days later, after talking about
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  Speaker 2: this alleged alien artifact, JP returned to his residence and
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  Speaker 2: found his room ransacked. Nothing else was stolen, the place
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  Speaker 2: was turned over and only the mask was missing, only
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  Speaker 2: these goggles. So JP, by now learned about the idea
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  Speaker 2: of extraterrestrials and UFOs was finally able to understand his experience.
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  Speaker 2: He really wanted to return to the site, but now
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  Speaker 2: he had no proof, no way to get funds, and
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  Speaker 2: ultimately he ended up moving back to Spain in the
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  Speaker 2: hopes of returning one day. He never did. He found
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  Speaker 2: that people were still not receptives to his story. Many
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  Speaker 2: other events happened to him which prevented him returning, including
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  Speaker 2: being jailed for not having his identity papers. He joined
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  Speaker 2: the French army hoping to meet someone who would listen,
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  Speaker 2: and he did. He met a French officer who not
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  Speaker 2: only took JP's story seriously, but wrote down a complete report. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: this officer sat on the report for twenty years. Can't
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  Speaker 2: blame him, what's he going to do with it? But
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  Speaker 2: he only revealed it when he heard it mentioned at
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  Speaker 2: a UFO lecture in France, and this is what led
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  Speaker 2: to the story being researched by Joel Maynard, the French researcher,
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  Speaker 2: and his colleagues. So Joel Minard and others finally managed
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  Speaker 2: to track down the witness and in nineteen seventy seven
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  Speaker 2: got the full story from him first hand. By then
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  Speaker 2: he was old and ill, but as Joel Maynard writes,
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  Speaker 2: the immediate impression made on both of us by him
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  Speaker 2: was good. There was nothing of the weird or way
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  Speaker 2: out about JP, nor of the visionary fanatic. He just
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  Speaker 2: appeared to be simply what he was, a retired stonemason.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: JP said that he had suffered ill health ever since
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  Speaker 2: his Venezuelan expedition. He also said that the discovery quote
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  Speaker 2: poisoned his life. He believes that the craft is still
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  Speaker 2: probably there, waiting to be rediscovered. Joel Maynard said that
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  Speaker 2: JP's current testimony and memory matched precisely with the testimony
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  Speaker 2: recorded by the French officer, with the one exception of
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  Speaker 2: the et being allegedly well endowed. JP did not recall
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  Speaker 2: saying that or even remembering that detail, so perhaps that
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  Speaker 2: was an addition by the French officer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's an odd detail, not sure what to make of it.
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  Speaker 2: But Joel Minard was absolutely convinced the case was genuine.
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  Speaker 2: As he says, and I quote, my colleague and I
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  Speaker 2: have had much discussion about the personality of JP. We
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  Speaker 2: weren't dealing with a madman, nor so we think a fraudster.
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  Speaker 2: His account ran true in every respect. The man didn't drink,
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  Speaker 2: He seemed well integrated in his milieu. What was dominant
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  Speaker 2: throughout in his behavior was a vast lassitude, a certain
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  Speaker 2: sort of disillusioned, disappointed sadness. So yeah, they got plenty
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  Speaker 2: character witnesses who vouched for his integrity and honesty, but
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  Speaker 2: he was a broken man now. Gordon Creighton, editor of
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  Speaker 2: The Flying Saucer Review, was also convinced that the case
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  Speaker 2: was genuine, as he writes, quote as for my opinion
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  Speaker 2: about this fascinating story, my considered answer must be that
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  Speaker 2: I think it is very, very probably totally true. And
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  Speaker 2: he cites the many details that match up with modern
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  Speaker 2: day accounts to bolster this opinion, and the fact that JP,
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  Speaker 2: his character and the other people who vouched for his
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  Speaker 2: character seem to be entirely honest all about that crazy
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  Speaker 2: to think that this craft might still be out there
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  Speaker 2: just waiting to be discovered. And yeah, a single witness case.
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  Speaker 2: That's not unusual with these UFO Crush accounts. And I
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  Speaker 2: think if the researcher's Joel Maynard, the French researcher, and
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  Speaker 2: Gordon Creighton, the UK researcher, hadn't endorsed this particular case,
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  Speaker 2: I might not have covered it. But they're good researchers
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  Speaker 2: I think highly respect And there's details in this account
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  Speaker 2: that really match up with not only other UFO Crash
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  Speaker 2: retrieval accounts, but modern day contacte accounts, such as the
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  Speaker 2: description that the man gave of these humanoids, which sounds
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  Speaker 2: like grays to me. Such a shame he didn't get
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  Speaker 2: more artifacts from his craft, or the stuff he did get,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't able to keep hold of it. You can
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  Speaker 2: see it kind of ruined his life. So my heart
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  Speaker 2: goes out to him for sure, as it does to
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  Speaker 2: a lot of other people who find themselves embroiled in
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  Speaker 2: these kinds of events. So let's move to the next case.
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  Speaker 2: This one is so fascinating to me, really interesting aspects
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  Speaker 2: to this one, which I call UFO crash in New Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: This apparently occurred in nineteen fifty two in an undisclosed
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  Speaker 2: location in the New Mexico Deserts, of course New Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: What I like about this case is it's got a
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  Speaker 2: lot of details that we hear in modern day contact
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  Speaker 2: E accounts in terms of the description of the ets
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  Speaker 2: and the interior of the craft. But also it's a
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  Speaker 2: multiple witness case with witnesses who are widely spread, don't
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  Speaker 2: know each other, and are reporting the exact same details.
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  Speaker 2: And there's another really fascinating aspect to this case which
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  Speaker 2: I'll cover after we hear all the details. This case
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  Speaker 2: comes from pioneering UFO crash retrieval expert Leonard Stringfield. You
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  Speaker 2: can't talk about UFO crash retrievals without mentioning Leonard. He's
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  Speaker 2: the go to guy. This case was published in his
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  Speaker 2: book UFO Crash Retrievals The Complete Investigation Status Reports one
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  Speaker 2: through seven. Again, this is a multiple witness case involving
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  Speaker 2: a mysterious film which apparently depicts a UFO crash retrieval
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  Speaker 2: incident that took place at an undisclosed location in the
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  Speaker 2: New Mexico Desert around nineteen teen fifty two. The first witness,
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  Speaker 2: the primary one, is known only as mister Te, a
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  Speaker 2: military radar specialist. In the spring of nineteen fifty three,
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  Speaker 2: this witness, age twenty, was stationed at Fort Monmouth in
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  Speaker 2: New Jersey. At that time he held a secret security clearance. Now,
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  Speaker 2: without any warning, any preamble, this witness and a small
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  Speaker 2: select group of other military radar specialists were summoned to
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  Speaker 2: view a special sixteen millimeter film at the base theater. Now,
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  Speaker 2: they received no briefing at all, but were just sat
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  Speaker 2: down and told to view this film. The lights were
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  Speaker 2: turned off and the film began then that had no credits,
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  Speaker 2: no titles, no music, no sound, that had the usual
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  Speaker 2: flaws and scratches often seen in early grainy army photography.
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  Speaker 2: What mister Te and the others saw left him speechless.
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  Speaker 2: The film showed, sitting on the desert landscape, a silver
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  Speaker 2: disc shaped object with a dome on top. At the
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  Speaker 2: bottom was an open hatchway. The craft was partially embedded
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  Speaker 2: in the desert sandy soil. That was the first scene.
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  Speaker 2: There was a sudden cut, and the next scene showed
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  Speaker 2: ten to fifteen military personnel dressed and fatigues with no
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  Speaker 2: identification patches standing around the craft, which the witness believed
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  Speaker 2: was disabled. Seeing the men around the craft allowed the
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  Speaker 2: witness to estimate its size, which he measured as about
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  Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty feet wide with a hatch, the open
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  Speaker 2: hatch being about two and a half feet wide and
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  Speaker 2: three feet high. Then there was another cut, and the
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  Speaker 2: movie now displayed a brief glimpse of the interior.
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  Speaker 1: Of this craft.
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  Speaker 2: There were muted pastel colors which were not very clear
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: in the grainy overexposed film. There was not much else
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: inside except a panel with a few simple levers. There
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: was yet another cut, and the fourth scene showed the
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: interior of an army tent. Inside the tent were two tables.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: One table had two small, alien looking dead bodies on
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it and the other table had only one. And as
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Leonard Stringfield says and I quote, mister te said, the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: boyes appeared small by human standard, and most notable were
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the heads, all looking alike and all being large compared
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to their body sizes. They looked mongoloid, he thought, with
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: small noses, mouths, and eyes that were shut. He didn't
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: recall seeing ears or hair the skin, he said was
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: leathery and ashen in color. Each wore a tight fitting
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: suit and a pastel color yellow was mentioned now. At
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: this point, the movie abruptly ended still with no credits,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: which was unlike other films the witness had seen depicting
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: military operations, and in fact, the witness said that neither
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: he nor the other men viewing the film spoke at
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: all during its airing. They all just watched in shock
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: and confusion. Once the film was over, the officer in
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: charge turned on the lights and told the men think
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: about the movie, don't relate its contents to anyone.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And that was it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: There was no other explanation by the officer in charge,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: but the implication was that this was a real event.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: The witness obeyed the instructions and told nobody, not even
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: his wife. Shortly after viewing the movie, the witness said
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: that he heard from a couple of top security officers
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: on the base that a UFO had crushed in New
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Mexico one year earlier, in nineteen fifty two, and that
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it had been recovered along with its occupants. Then, two
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: weeks later, mister te was approached by an intelligence officer
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: on the base who had a message for him, the
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: intelligence officer told him, quote, forget the movie you saw,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it was a hoax. At the time mister Stringfield investigated
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the case, mister te was a civilian holding a high
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: technical position, and he says he does not believe the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: movie was a hoax, and he explained that the reasoning
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: behind his opinion is that it would have been very
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: difficult and costly, even for a major Hollywood movie studio
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: to make the alien bodies look so real, even for
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: a makeshift amateur film, and for what reason, he added,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: as the witness says, the five minute long movie was
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: certainly not a Walt Disney production was probably shot by
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: an inexperienced cameraman because it was full of scratches and
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: had poor coloring and texture. So the witness told Leonard
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Stringfield that at the time he viewed the film, he
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: had zero interest in UFOs, nor does he currently follow
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the subject, but he does wonder why they showed it
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: to him and if it was in some way in
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: any relation to his being a radar specialist. He later learned, however,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that he was not the only one who saw this film,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: as Leonard Stringfield says, years later he met an old
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Army acquaintance who was also a radar specialist. To mister
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: t E's surprise, he learned from this man that he
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: too had seen the same film at another base under
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the same similar hush hush conditions. So Leonard Stringfield published
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: this report in his status Report on Retrievals of the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Third Kind, and this is when he learned, as a
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: result of publishing this that other officers had apparently seen
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: this film. As Leonard says, as a result, word has
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: come from far afield of others having knowledge of the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: secret movie film. Really interesting confirmation came from Joan Jeffers,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: who reports that in a acquaintance of hers was an
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Air Force colonel. He requested anonymity. He was stationed at
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a radar facility in Maine, and he had told her
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: about this film. And when she read mister Te's report
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: in Leonard stringfield Stats reports, she was absolutely struck by
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: the similarities of the report she had heard from this
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Air Force colonel. So she was able to obtain confirmation
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: from her colonel friend. After much persuading, he agreed to
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: tell her what he remembered, and he says he saw
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: this same film apparently in nineteen fifty six and describes
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the same details this film having no credits, It just
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: started abruptly, exactly as mister te had described and showed
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the same exact scenes as Joan Jeffers says. The movie
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: showed a circular metal, silvery disk on the ground. The
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: inside was well lit of a light color with smooth walls.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: The scene shifted to show at least three bodies lying
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: on tables. The beings were short, all looked alike and
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: did not have any ears or hair. They all appeared
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to be dead. When I asked the color of their skin,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the reply was ashen or gray. I asked the number
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of diges on their hands, and he held up four
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: fingers with his thumb out of sight. I asked if
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: they did not have a thumb, and his response was affirmative. Next,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I questioned him about the clothing and he said it
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: was quote pale green and yellow. Now, the colonel evaded
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: or refused to answer any other questions, saying only that
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: he and the others who saw it with him did
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: not discuss it as it was military business and you
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: don't discuss military business, and that he believed he had
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: been shown the film because it was a UFO that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: they had been tracking, which had crashed. He also intimated
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that he had considerable other inside information about UFOs, but
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: absolutely refused to reveal any of it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Leonard Stringfield did hear of other reports of people who
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: apparently viewed this same film, but he was unable to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: confirm their testimonies.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: This was basically hearsay.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But he finds the reports of this movie very believable,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: not only because of the consistency of the descriptions of
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: the et bodies from other similar cases, but because of
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the high credibility of those who viewed it. And as
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Leonard Stringfield says, I cannot believe that the movie used
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: make believe cadavers and was a trick on a select
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: group of personnel holding the highest degree of security clearance.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: That sounds like a legit case to me. Again, we
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: see the details described of the et bodies in the craft,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: the same sort of details contact tees described almost always.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Contact tees describe the interior of these craft as being
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: very sparse, almost nothing in there, and we see that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: in this account, even the description of the et bodies,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: even the colors of their uniforms, or the interior of
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: the craft. All of this matches up, and this being
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a multiple witness case with witnesses who don't know each
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: other and reporting the same details.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to see how people can make
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: something like this up and have it matched so perfectly.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But to me, the most.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Interesting aspect of this case is that they are showing
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: this film to all kinds of people. Apparently quite a
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: few people, only a few have come forward. Why are
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: they showing this film to these personnel, these military personnel?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: This comes up in a number of other cases of
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: this kind, and it appears that this might be sort
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of a test run to see how people would react
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: when they are confronted with this kind of information. Hard
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to say for sure, but I really wonder about it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Makes me wonder how many.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Other witnesses there are who saw this particular film, where
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: that craft is now, and what happened to these bodies
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: and so forth. It's infuriating to think how many of
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: these cases there are that we never even hear about.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: All right, let's move to the next case. This subject
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: gets me all riled up every time because I think
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: we deserve to know the truth. Here's another case, and
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you haven't heard of this one. It's gotten
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: pretty much zero publicity, no real investigation in it. Again,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: this is an anecdotal report. There are multiple witnesses, the
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: only one has come forward. I call this one UFO
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: crash in Ohio. This one occurred in April nineteen seventy
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: seven in Xenia, Ohio, which I happenstance is not that
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: far from Right Patterson. And if you know about UFOs,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you probably know about Right Patterson Air Force Base as
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: being the location where a lot of crash retrievals, the hardware,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: the craft themselves, the bodies are shipped to and studied.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: So that's apparently what happened in this case. I think
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you'll find it really amazing. This amazing case comes from Newfork,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the National UFO Reporting Center. Again, the witness is anonymous
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and the case has not been formally investigated. The reporting
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: witness is the son of the primary witness. It is
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: actually a multiple witness case involving the man's father, aunt, uncle,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and cousins. So a total of at least six people
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: around eight pm when moonless evening in April nineteen seventy
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: seven that date is approximate. The six witnesses were outside
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: their farmhouse on the outskirts of Xenia, Ohio, having an
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: evening cookout. This was an activity they frequently enjoyed, and
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: at some point during that evening, the darkness of the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: night was pierced by a brilliant glowing object that zoomed
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: at high speed, very low over their heads, lighting up
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the area like daylight. The object was on a downward
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: trajectory and had no sooner appeared when it crashed into
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a huge oak tree about fifteen hundred feet away alongside
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the road leading to the house, and as the reporting
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: witness says and I quote, they all freaked out and
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: ran inside the house. They first thought that the Soviets
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: had launched nukes and World War three had started. After
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a while, when nothing else happened, my uncle went outside
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: with a flashlight to investigate. He noticed a smell in
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: the air and a really dense fog bank coming from
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the area of the oak tree. He walked closer and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: started to hear a sound which he likened to bake
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and frying in a skillet, which turned out to be
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the tree sap being boiled, which also explained the smell
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: in the air. He tried to find the tree in
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the fog bank to make sure it wasn't on fire,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and that's when he saw the lights that were posting
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: around the edge of the saucer like a heartbeat. I
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: remember him saying it was twelve to twenty feet in
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: diameter and circular. So seeing that the craft was definitely unusual,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the man immediately ran in and called the Green County
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department, who agreed to send over a patrol car. Meanwhile,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the family looked out the window of their farmhouse and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: were amazed to see quote tiny people moving around in
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: the fog. Soon the policeman arrived and with the other
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: man went outside and they saw that this object was
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: still lodged in the tree, and the officer said, I
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: have no idea what this is now, per the uncle,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: the officer went to his cruiser and radioed dispatch to
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: contact Right Patterson Air Force Base, which by coincidence, was
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: located about twenty miles away to the west. The officer
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: was contacted by dispatch and told that personnel from Right
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Patterson were on their way and to order every want
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: to stay inside the house, including the police officer, until
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: they arrived. Shortly later, the Air Force arrived with a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: personnel van, a military car, and at least one double
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: axle flatbed truck with a mounted crane lift behind the cab.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: The military officers walked around with boxes that they later
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: learned the witnesses were radiation detectors, and after some time
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: an Air Force officer came inside and delivered an explanation.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Or the reporting witness and I quote an Air Force
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: person came inside and told.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Them, sorry, folks, it was just ball lightning.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: There was a significant amount of radiation in the area,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and then it was not safe for them to stay.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: They were told that they would be.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Put in a motel in Fairborne for the night and
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: then brought back after five pm the next day. Of course,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: by then all evidence of the crash was gone in
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: terms of the bodies and the craft itself. Another reporting
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: witness was eight or nine years old at the time,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: and all he remembers is quote sitting around the dining
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: room table and listening to my uncle ranting and raving
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: about what they saw. I remember him telling my dad
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: that this was not ball lightning, and he knows it
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: was a UFO and the Air Force.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Was recovering it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: The next day, my dad and him went back after
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: five pm, just them. My dad said the yard was
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: trashed from the trucks around the tree. The tree was
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: still standing but was dead, and he said that they
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: saw little tiny bootprints in the field next to the trees,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and also military bootprints like they were chasing or rounding
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: them up. My aunt was so freaked out by the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: tiny people that she wouldn't return until Sunday. They ended
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: up moving to Fairbourne a few months after the event.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I know this probably sounds too good to be true,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: but this is what I remember. In fact, it was
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: thirty nine years after the incident in twenty sixteen that
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: the report witness did report this to Newfork, and he
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: only did so after talking to his father and asking
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: him about the event and having him describe it, and
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: his father said, wow, I can't believe you remember that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: It's such a shame that in so many of these
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: cases we never hear anything about them because the military
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: comes in scoops all the evidence up very quickly and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: basically lies to the witnesses, threatens to the witnesses. Can
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: you imagine this colonel telling this family, oh, that was
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: just a fireball, pay no attention, not thing's here, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: don't talk about it. It's a little ridiculous, honestly, really
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: such a shame. We very nearly did not hear about
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: this case at all. Again, more indications that this is
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: probably far more common than even UFO researchers know about.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I have no idea how many cases like this there are,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: but I'm sure it's not just a few. So now
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: let's move to the next case, which in some ways
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: is remarkably similar in that this UFO strikes a tree.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I call this next one UFO crash in Australia. This
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: one occurred you know the exact date, February seventh, nineteen
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: eighty in Sterling, Australia. This one is very well verified,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: multiple witnesses, physical evidence has been thoroughly investigated by researchers.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Even the police showed up, so there is no denying
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: that something really profound happened with this case. This very
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: unusual case occurred at the Glen Alta studhorse farm located
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: on Old Kerree Gully Road. This is just outside of Sterling, Australia.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: The case was investigated by Horry Aspinall, Jane Brooks Dean
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Povisan and others. Those are all Australian UFO researchers. There
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: is one primary witness by the name of Darrell Brown.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Darrel was twenty one years old at the time. He
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: worked at the farm and on this evening he was
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: babysitting and watching over the property. Was around nine fifty
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: pm on February seventh, nineteen eighty that the first signs
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of something unusual occurred when the two great Danes outside
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: on the property started howling. Darrel was watching TV at
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: the time. Then he and the kids heard a loud,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: crashing noise coming from outside. As Darrel says and I quote,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I was lying on a bed in one of the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: second story rooms, watching television with the children when the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: two dogs outside started to howl in quite an eerie fashion.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: It was a sound I had never heard before. Less
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: than a minute later, there was a tremendous crashing noise,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and I thought a tree had fallen on the house.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: This seemed rather strange, as there was no wind that night.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I raced to the window and looked out, but could
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: see nothing in the darkness. Accompanied by the kids and
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: with torch in hand, I went downstairs to see what
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: had happened. As soon as I opened the door, the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: dog raced inside and sat down, shivering and shaking. One
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: of the dogs is a huge Great Dane that is
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: not easily intimidated. I went around to one side of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: the house but could find no sign of damage. As
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I was coming back, however, loud creaking and cracking noises
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: were plainly audible from the cypress pine that stands close
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to one side of the house. Now, this cypress pine
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: tree is a big one. It was first reported to
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: stand about two hundred and ten feet tall, probably an
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: exaggeration because later reports adjusted it down to about one
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty feet. This is likely more accurate, as
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: these types of trees generally don't grow larger than one hundred.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: And fifty feet.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: It was too dark to see what was causing the noise,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: so we brought the kids back into the house and
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: ventured outside with his torch this flashlight and showed it
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: up into the massive tree and was absolutely stunned at
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: what he saw. About sixty to ninety feet up. About
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: halfway up the tree, lodged in the branches was a long,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: yellowish craft of some kind, hemispherical in shape, and as
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Darrel says, I reckon it was about eight meters in length.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: It looked very much like the hull of a boat.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Was not making any noise, nor did it appear to
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: be moving, though the branches were creaking under its weight.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I raced inside and immediately phoned the police. Though I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't really terrified, I decided to play it safe and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: stayed there until they arrived. However, when the police phoned
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: back to say they couldn't find the place, I went
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: up to the front gate to show them the way down.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: So the police arrived shortly later. They shown their spotlights
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: up into the tree, but by then the object was gone.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: After an hour of searching, the police just left. But
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: the next day the property was a beehive of activity
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: as media and UFO researchers showed up to investigate. Researchers
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Hori Espinal and Dean Piovisan climbed up to the midsection
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: of the tree to inspect and take photographs of the damage,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: and they found that a branch about three feet in
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: circumference had been smashed and splintered. It showed no evidence
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of being unhealthy and just dropping off. It was a
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: healthy branch. In fact, that whole section of the tree
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: showed damage, with deep gouges in the trunk and four
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: branches below it were broken. It also appeared that the
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: roots of the tree itself were somewhat loosened, and it
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: appeared to the investigators as if the trunk had been
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: almost twisted around full circle. Weirdly, there was little or
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: no debris on the ground itself. Investigators did test the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: area for radiation, which came out negative. However, and wisely,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: they used an infrared detector as well, which showed that
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the tree was emitting unusually high amounts of heat, far
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: higher than any other trees in the area, and there
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: were other unusual effects. The horses in the stalls were
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: very much spooked after the incident, and the manure in
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the horse's stable was an unusual black color that morning,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: when normally it's a golden brown. Also strange, one of
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the rugs on a horse in the field had been
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: unbuckled and placed by the gate by someone or something,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: so that's a bit of a mystery. Another unusual thing
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: was that amateur radio operators in nearby Adelaide reported a
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: transmission blackout on that evening at that time. Finally, for
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: two days after this incident, the dogs refused to go
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: anywhere near this tree. Now, there was some speculation that
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the damage was due to nature causes, though nobody could
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: pinpoint any cause. In other words, this branch didn't fall
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: because it was dead, and frankly, it wasn't even there.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: So what happened to this branch? Now?
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: The witness, Daryl, reports that he definitely saw something unnatural
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: up there. Prior to this incident, he did not believe
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: in UFOs, as he says, do I believe that there
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: is life out there somewhere in the universe. I have
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: never given any great credence to all of the stories
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: you hear about UFOs. Naturally, he does admit that after
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: this incident he is having second thoughts. Now there is
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: some really interesting possible confirmation of this incident involving a
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: very unusual UFO encounter which occurred on that same night,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: slightly earlier in the South Australian town of all Date,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: this is only about three.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Miles from the incident.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: That's close enough to think that these two incidents might
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: be related. Given what the two witnesses report, the connection
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: seems undeniable because again. It was on that same night,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: at nine point thirty pm, This is twenty minutes prior
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: to the apparent crash, that Rob Tyndale called his twin
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: brother Phil to come outside and check this out. So
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: it was Rob who first saw this bright yellow object
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: quote bobbing around, and he called out his brother Phil.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: They're both ten years old, and sure enough, this yellow
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: object was hovering and moving around above the trees, about
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: a half mile away, and they watched it for a
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: few minutes when a second, slightly larger object appeared. The
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: larger object was emitting a red light and it zoomed
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: up at high speed to the yellow object, stopped and
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: reversed its course and then repeated the action quote as
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: if to prompt a reaction. Now, the yellow craft then
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: took off with the other object in pursuit. The yellow
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: object would stop suddenly zigzag changed directions instantly, covering great
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: distances in a split second. They did notice that the
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: smaller yellow object would sometimes stop in mid flight and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: would shake back and forth quote as if caught by
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: some invisible force, and then it would dart away. Both
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: objects made no noise whatsoever. So they watched this for
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: about fifteen minutes when finally the yellow craft moved off
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: behind the hill, followed by the other object. Now Phil's
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: brother Robtondale, does confirm this testimony, saying, quote, certainly there
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: were two lights. One appeared to be chasing the other.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: They both dipped below the horizon. It was a very
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: memorable thing, so amazing. The most interesting aspect for me
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: about this case is the witnesses who saw these two
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: UFOs flying around. They disappear over the horizon minutes later,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: apparently they crash at another location. So there's absolute confirmation
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: there or corroboration. It's like these two UFOs, whoever was
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: piloting them, we're getting a little too wild, having a
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: good time, and one slipped up and had an accident.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: This is technically not a UFO crash retrieval in terms
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: of the government coming in and scooping this up. Thankfully,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: the ETS got there first and rescued their own. Man,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: and I'm glad about it. I think our government has
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: enough of these craft and they're certainly not going to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: show us so they.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Don't need anymore.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Man. Oh man, how many cases are there like this
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: that we haven't heard about?
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Drives me crazy.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Thinking about it, but an amazing case that definitely deserves
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: to be well known. All right, let's move to Estonia.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Now this case, you may have heard, this did get
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: some publicity. It's super interesting. I call this one UFO
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: crush in Estonia. This one I'm not going to say
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: occurred in nineteen eighty four.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Because we don't know when it occurred.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: But in nineteen eighty this is when information about this
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: case really started to come out. This one occurred in Tellinn, Estonia.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: But by all accounts, this is a crash apparently that
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: occurred thousands upound thousands of years ago. This is certainly
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: what the evidence is showing us. And I like this
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: case because it does involve a number of witnesses. I
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: was able to verify the names of some of these
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: scientists involved in this case. These are legit scientists. They
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: did exist. Their specialties are absolutely verifiable.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: You can look them up.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: This is a fascinating case on many levels. The primary
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: source for this case is Russian ufologist Paul stone Hill.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: The information for this segment comes from an article titled
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the Reported Discovery of a Buried UFO in Estonia. This
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: was published by Gordon Creighton in the summer nineteen ninety
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: eight issue A Flying Saucer Review, of which Gordon Creighton
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: is the editor. Hears that the actual crash date is
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: much older, but information started to come out around nineteen
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: eighty four, though some sources say nineteen sixty nine was
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: also published in the now defunct website above TopSecret dot com.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: But according to researcher Paul Stonehell, he says that in
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four, Soviet geologist Nikolai Nikolayevik Sochevanov was given
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a piece of dense, silvery metallic material by an inventor friend,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: who told him that the piece of metal had been
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: retrieved from a farm outside of Tallinn, Estonia. Per the
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: account given to Nikolai, workers were digging a well on
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: the property and had dug down about nine to ten
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: feet when they hit upon something solid and metallic. So
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: they dug deeper, and they saw that the metal object
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: was the very edge of a much larger metallic plate
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: shaped object buried in the ground. At the edge, it
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: was only about a half inch thick. Nevertheless, they tried
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: to drill it, and their drill was not able to
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: penetrate the metal, so they brought another drill with a
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: compressor to the site and reportedly were able to break
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: off a piece of the metal plate and sent it
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: off to two different scientific laboratories in talynn Estonia. The
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: results of the analyzes were completely contradictory, with one saying
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the metal was nothing but cast iron, but the other
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: saying that it was composed of a complicated titanium alloy
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: which included the presence of gallium and germanium. You can
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: look up those elements. It's pretty interesting. So this prompted
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: further studies, and the metal was then sent to the
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Moscow Institute of Physical Engineering, the United States Institute for
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Raw Mineral Metals, and reportedly to the Russian Laboratory VAM,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: which translates to the United Institute of Aviation Materials.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: These labs, according to the report, showed that the metal,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: which had a silver color, was very dense. Two of
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the Soviet scientists, both metallurgical experts, who study the sample,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: per Nikolai quote, had no doubt whatever as regarding the
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: extraterrestrial origin of the artifact. In fact, one scientist, mister
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Kishkin wrote, the use of such alloys is unknown in
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: aviation technology. Alloys of this kind must be very resistant
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: to heat and possess the correct resistance to withstand being
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: boiled in acid mixtures of any concentration whatsoever. In other words,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: the allys had been subjected to every known test, none
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: of the known laboratories could produce such an alloy, and
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: that the metal was not part of a meteorite, nor
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: was it of terrestrial origin. One scientist, Herbert V believed
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: conclusively that the object was artificial in origin. Another scientist,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Ernest Parv, who transported a sample of the object, reportedly
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: died of cancer shortly after handling the sample. Also, there's
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: a report that one person who handled the sample said
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: it gave him an electric shock. Others reported it being
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: very cold or hot. Russian UFO researcher Marina Popovich reportedly
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: went to the site and confirmed the presence of the object.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Now I was not able to confirm any of these details,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: but hearing the results of these analyzes, Nikoleyevich Sochevanov went
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: to the site and determined, apparently using dowsing, that the
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: object was forty five feet in diameter with an estimated
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: weight of two hundred tons, thirteen feet high in the
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: center and thinning towards the edges. It appeared to be
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: lying at a thirty five degree angle in the ground.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: One third of the alleged craft was located close to
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the farmhouse at a depth of about nine to twelve feet,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and the other side, tilted downward, was at a depth
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: of forty seven feet.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Reportedly, there were magnetic anomalies measured in the vicinity of
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: the object. Here's where it gets even more interesting because
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: per the geologists who studied this, the terrain of this
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: location is more rainal. This means that it was deposited
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: by glaciers, which led them to conclude that the object
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: could be as old as ten thousand years now. Reportedly,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: this object was located at Hobuku's thirty four in talynn Estonia,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: with the owner of the property being a man by
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the name of Virgo neat Now. According to one source,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: he died of a stroke shortly after this strange object
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: was discovered. Reportedly, Nikolai sent a full report to the
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Soviet military. Report was taken seriously, and Nikolai was told
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: that first their studies should be undertaken and that any
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: publicity of this matter was absolutely verboten.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Forbidden.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: The military want of the object excavated, but apparently there
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: was a problem with funding this event. A year passed
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: in the company that was put in charge of the excavation, Volna,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: failed to complete the project. Apparently they ran into all
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: kinds of problems. When they tried to remove the object,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: it would bury itself deeper. Again unconfirmed, but eventually the
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: owners of the property became tired of the constant visits
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: to their property, neighbors were becoming suspicious, and reportedly this
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: object was never excavated. In fact, Estonia regained independence from
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the Soviet Union in nineteen ninety one, so apparently the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: whole matter was dropped or is now out of Russian hands.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So whether or not the alleged craft still remains there
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: is a matter of speculation and conjecture, and in fact,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Nikolai Sochevanov has since passed away, so it's not like
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: that this mystery will be solved anytime soon. That's a
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: fairly well verified case. I think it's authentic, I really do, yes.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: It is sparse on details, It's hard to find information
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: on this case, and how weird is it that this
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: craft could still be there buried in this person's yard.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: We haven't heard any more information on it, and would
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: we if the governments went in there and scooped it up.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Probably not, so it might not still be there.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: But it could be.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: It's very odd and it's interesting to me how the
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: scientists who really studied this determined that, yes, this had
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: to have been there for thousands of years, given that
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: this was buried so deeply underground. A fascinating case and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: again makes you wonder how many other cases, how many
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: other craft there are buried somewhere out there or lying
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: in the jungle that we don't know about and are
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: just waiting to be discovered. Amazing. All right, let's move
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: on to Mexico this time. I call this one obviously
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: UFO crash in Mexico. This one occurred around nineteen eighty
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: nine in Santa Rosalia, Mexico. This is technically a single
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: witness case. Though there were a bunch of people there,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: only one has come forward. It's a fascinating case and
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: there's little details in it that I think really speak
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: to its veracity. The sole witness in this case is
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Mexican physician doctor Raphael Lara Palmeros, now a UFO researcher,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: apparently because of what he experienced, and again there's not
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: much detail to it, but it does apparently involve multiple witnesses.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: The account appears in the Flying Saucer Review Winter two
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: thousand issue in an article by Gordon Creighton titled doctor
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: saw crashed You UFO and small Corpses in Mexico in
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. Now, per doctor Palmero, in nineteen eighty nine,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: he and two companions, an engineer and an architect, were
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: at an electric plant at the city of Santa Rosalia
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: in southern Mexico, and I think it's this one because
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: that's really the only electric plant there. You can see
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: this image here when they stumbled upon what appears to
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: be a UFO crash retrieval operation complete with alien bodies.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: They were drawn to the scene by the presence of
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: considerable military equipment and activity, including helicopters, jeeps, and a
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: large group of high ranking Mexican Army officers. They did
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: also notice that some of the officers there were not Mexican,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: but were fair haired and blonde, so presumably Americans. That
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: was his impression. So they were all assembled around a large,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: almost house sized silver gray spherical shaped craft. The craft
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: had no markings, no lights, just one large squarish porthole
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: at the mid section. The craft looked very smooth, and
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: in fact had an almost rubber or plastic texture. But
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: lying next to the craft were two apparently alien bodies,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: each the size of a small child about four feet high.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: They were burned badly. Their skin appeared to be bluish,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: perhaps doctor Palmero's thought because of the burned condition. They
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: wore one piece metallic jumpsuits that appeared to be visibly
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: fused with their flesh due to having been burned so badly.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Now the witnesses were able to peer inside the porthole
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and saw that the inside of the craft was largely
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: featureless except for two empty seats. One reason doctor Palmos
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: may have been able to approach the site is that
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: he was wearing a medical lab coat at the time.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: He says that the military officers did subject him and
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: his two friends to close interrogations, but they ultimately agreed
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: to let them stay and observe, but only from a distance,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: and only after confiscating their cameras. Doctor Palmos was not
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: only deeply impressed by the scene, he was also impressed
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: by the atmosphere of quote tremendous tension and nervousness which
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: was apparent among all the military officers there. He later
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: learned that the public, including the media and newspapers both
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: at a regional and local level, were fed a bogus
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: cover story that the silver Gray Sphere was nothing more
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: than an ordinary marine buoy that had been washed up
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: on the beach by the waves. Santa Rosalia is a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: coastal city and the electric station lies directly on the coast. Now,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Doctor Palmos also learned that the original discoverer of the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: craft and the bodies was a local farmer by the
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: name of Jose Renteria. There was some rumor that he
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: had pulled the bodies out of the craft. So after
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: learning the identity of this witness, doctor Palmeros did his
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: best to contact the man, but soon learned that the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: gentleman had disappeared and was untraceable.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: You want to know more.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: About that case, I would love to speak to the witness,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: doctor Palmeros. It's interesting to me how he kind of
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: stumbled upon this incident, and because he was a doctor
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: and wearing a lab coat, he didn't attract a whole
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: lot of attention. I think they assumed that he was
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: part of the crash retrieval team, and that allowed him
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: to approach closely either way. After interrogating him, they let
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: he and his friends watch from a distance, of course,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: after they confiscated their cameras, so they had no physical evidence.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that this case was covered up
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: in the way we hear about in other cases people
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: saying it's, oh, just a normal aircraft crash or in
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: this case, a buoy that had washed him from the ocean,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: which it so clearly wasn't. One detail that really to
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: me mark this is being a genuine case is that
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: the doctor was able to look in through the window
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and saw that there was really nothing inside this craft.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: That is very consistent detail in onboard contact ee reports
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: again as I said earlier, but also in these crash
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: retrieval reports, and again the description of the ets that's
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: very consistent. So many of these cases, it's insane.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: Now, let's move to the last and final case in
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: this compilation. This one did get some publicity. You may
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: have heard of it, but definitely deserves to be widely known.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I call this one the UFO crash in Kazakhstan. I'm
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: going to give you a two fur here. This is
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: actually involving two separate UFO events in Kazakhstan. Both are
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: equally fascinating. The first one occurred in August of nineteen
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: ninety one in the tian Shan Mountains at the foot
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: of the Tianshan Mountain Range in Kazakhstan, a huge mountain
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: range spreading over several countries. This case is amazing because
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: it does involve a lot of witnesses, some really interesting
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: physical evidence in terms of electromagnetic effects and physiological effects,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: as well as far as I know, there's only one
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: witness who's come forward to talk about this. This could
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: also be a case involving a reverse engineered craft, one
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: that's our own.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: You can make up your own minds about it after
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: I just present the facts as we know them. Either way,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: incredibly fascinating, and the second case is also just mind boggling.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: This very interesting case was.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: First published in the magazine Evidencia Obni, issue number seventeen,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, and was later reprinted in Flying Saucer
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Review the summer nineteen ninety nine.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Her Gordon Creighton. There are several.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Sources and multiple witnesses to this event, and he wrote
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: about it in an article titled did a huge UFO
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: crash in Kazakhstan in nineteen ninety one? So Reportedly the
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: main source is actually Russian ufologist Nikolai Zubotin, director of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: the Russian UFO group RUFO rs RUFORS, who received it
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: from a first hand witness by the name of Amil
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: baucherin so a Mel. The primary witness told Nikolai that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: he had been invited to the site along with a
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: group of military officials. In fact, he included his handwritten
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: sketch of the object due to the fact that the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: people there found it impossible to photograph or videotape the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: object any closer than a distance of fifteen hundred feet
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: because of intense radiation emanating from the object, which caused
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: the film to be completely clouded, and in fact it
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: also damaged various equipment. Amial said that he himself suffered
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: damage to his eyesight and that others there said that
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: their skin was burned by coming too close to this object.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: All the watches anyone wore stopped when they approached. Within
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  Speaker 2: nineteen hundred or so feet, which also showed a total
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  Speaker 2: absence of any magnetic field. This object was found at
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  Speaker 2: the base of the Tianshan Mountains, a massive mountain range
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  Speaker 2: spanning several countries including China, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Southeast Kazakhstan.
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  Speaker 2: The object itself was tubular shaped. It apparently cracked in
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  Speaker 2: half upon impact. There was a prominent skid mark showing
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  Speaker 2: that the craft had come down with some force before
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  Speaker 2: coming to arrest. Now per a Meal, there were some
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  Speaker 2: prominent symbols visible along the side of the craft. One
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: end had two blacks stripes, the other had two darkened portholes,
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  Speaker 2: and per a Meal, the object was quote absolutely enormous.
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  Speaker 2: They estimated the size was something along the lines of
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  Speaker 2: two thousand feet by three hundred and ninety feet. Military
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  Speaker 2: investigators first arrived on the scene in August of nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety two, though it appeared to them that the craft
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  Speaker 2: had crashed earlier, perhaps in August or September of nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety one. UFO researcher Grigor Jerikov, another member of the
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  Speaker 2: Russian UFO group, says that the first group of researchers
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  Speaker 2: not only were unable to get any photographs after approaching
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  Speaker 2: to within fifteen hundred feet of the object. They too
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: suffered radiation burns and their equipment also suffered. Apparently, at
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: some point an Ni eight helicopter got too close to
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  Speaker 2: this object and crashed as a result. And as Grigor
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  Speaker 2: Jerikov UFO researcher It's quote, the skid track of the
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  Speaker 2: craft along the ground is about eight hundred to one
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  Speaker 2: thousand meters long and is clearly visible. It must also
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  Speaker 2: be completely visible from space. The craft's course was from
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  Speaker 2: due west to due east, flying on a very level trajectory,
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  Speaker 2: and if we are not mistaken, its side really is
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  Speaker 2: six hundred and twenty meters long and one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: twenty meters wide, and that is where the matter remains,
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  Speaker 2: at least for now. But as it turns out, it
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  Speaker 2: is not the only reported UFO crash in Kazakhstan. There
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  Speaker 2: is another equally dramatic, though perhaps not as well verified,
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  Speaker 2: incident which took place near Arklik in the Turgae region
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  Speaker 2: of Kazakhstan, and this case comes from Russian journalists Tatiana Leonova.
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  Speaker 2: This was reported on the Anamalian dot com website and elsewhere. Now,
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  Speaker 2: she said that the primary witness was a friend of
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  Speaker 2: her father's and that's how she heard about it. The
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  Speaker 2: primary witness is a shepherd by the name of Serjimbei.
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  Speaker 2: One evening in June of nineteen seventy nine, he said
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  Speaker 2: he was awakened by a strange glow coming from above
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  Speaker 2: and not far away from his home. So curious, he
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: saddled up a horse and rode several miles towards where
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  Speaker 2: he saw this glow. Arriving at the site, the glow
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  Speaker 2: was gone, but he did find the remains of a
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: strange looking aircraft. He first thought it was a plane
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: or perhaps a crashed Soviet satellite, but upon closer inspection,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: he saw that it was a silver disk which appeared
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: to be half buried in the ground. He was very
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: reluctant to approach it and turned around to get away,
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  Speaker 2: and this is when he came upon a coal black
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  Speaker 2: egg shaped object with an appearance of polished stone. So
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  Speaker 2: he started looking at this thing, and that's when it
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  Speaker 2: opened up and a tall humanoid emerged. Now the witness
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  Speaker 2: was frightened, but also curious, and this figure immediately approached
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  Speaker 2: the shepherd, who could now see that this figure was
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  Speaker 2: not human, was certainly humanoid in form, very tall, thin
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  Speaker 2: arms and legs, large glittering eyes. The shepherd offered to
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  Speaker 2: take this apparent extraterrestrial home, and the invitation was accepted
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: by the strange visitor. So, apparently, per the witness, this
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  Speaker 2: et got on the horse and the shepherd walked him home.
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  Speaker 2: They went into their hut, they tried to feed their
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  Speaker 2: strange visitor.
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  Speaker 1: The visitor would not.
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  Speaker 2: Eat meat, but did eat the dried goat, cheeseballs, and
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: drank tea. The very next morning, military officers arrived on
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: the scene, and the witness sensed that they were looking
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: for this strange visitor, so he hid the et in
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  Speaker 2: his hayloft. Officers asked the shepherd if he had seen
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: anything strange the previous night, which he denied. But per
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: this witness, the et actually lived with him for two weeks,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: never spoke, but apparently understood everything said to him, and
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: did in fact interact with some of the other villagers. Now,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: it was during this time that the father of Russian
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: journalist Tatiana Leonova visited the man and brought her along.
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  Speaker 2: She was then nine years old. Her father was a veterinarian.
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  Speaker 2: So the shepherd, the primary witness, took him to meet
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  Speaker 2: the alien visitor, and Tatiana secretly spied on the meeting.
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  Speaker 2: She looked in through the stable windows and saw it.
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  Speaker 1: She said.
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  Speaker 2: The figure had grayskin, a large head twice the size
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  Speaker 2: of a normal person, huge black eyes that covered most
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: of its face, so apparently a gray and the et
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: apparently left when more of its kind came and retrieved him.
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  Speaker 2: This was on June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy nine that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: this et suddenly disappeared, and was the day before this
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  Speaker 2: there was a widely viewed, well authenticated sighting of a
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  Speaker 2: fireball like object at Berryazhka. This is near the city
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: of Dorzovinsk. This is about sixty miles away and reportedly
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the location of a significant stockpile of Soviet nuclear weapons
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: that could be a factor here. But according to the report,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: which interestingly comes directly from UFO documents sneaked out from
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Russia by researcher George Knapp, a group of people were
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: camping in the area sitting around a campfire when a
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: group of nine foot tall ets showed up. They were
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: described as very thin, dark in color lark pink shining
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: eyes with white belts around their waists. There were about
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: twenty children between ages of ten and fourteen who saw them.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: One of the witnesses was Vetlana Kavaceeva. In fact, the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: witnesses were so frightened that they fled the area, and
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: when they returned, the humanoids were gone. But the next
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: day strange rumbling noises were heard, and of course that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: was the day that the Shepherd's et left, so researchers
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: are connecting these two incidents. Reportedly, this second incident caught
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: the attention of the military, as one of the witnesses,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Sveta Havaceva, was there and she told her father about it,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: and he was a police chief, so he reported it
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: to the military, who, along with KGB agents, interviewed Sveta
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: and the other witnesses. So this incident was also reportedly
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: published in Soviet magazines, got quite a bit of attention.
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  Speaker 2: There was evidence that the ets or something was there,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: because reportedly a metal chair was found deeply depressed into
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: the hard packed ground, and there were several giant footprints
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: in the hard packed soil.
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  Speaker 1: So there you go.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of really interesting UFO crash incidents in Kazakhstan.
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  Speaker 2: That first craft was a pretty big one. Maybe it
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: is our own I don't know. I'm out on the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: fence about it, leaning towards that being et, but again,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: you can make up your own minds about it. And
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: I wonder if it's still there. It's a lot of
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: these crashes that people stumble upon are out there in
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: some very remote location, so perhaps a lot of these
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: are discovered by pure accident. But amazing to me the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: evidence in that first case, with the photography being all
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: screwed up because I couldn't get near this craft because
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: of the energy fields coming off of it, clouding up
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: all the film making people ill, really really interesting. And
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: that second case, wow, can you imagine coming upon a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: UFO crash and seeing a live et and communicating with
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: it and having this whole almost relationship with it and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: then it got to go back home. It looks like
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: pretty well verified case actually, particularly the second part of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: that second in case. But again I'm just reporting the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: facts as we know. Then I'm not gonna try to
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: say that these cases are absolutely provable, because they're not.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: They're purely anecdotal, And yes, there is some physical evidence
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: here and there that almost always, as we've seen in
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: this episode, gets scooped up, covered up. So this is
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: incredibly frustrating. This is why I think this particular aspect
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: of euthology is so hard to move forward because when
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: people get their hands on hard evidence that puts them
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: in great danger, and we know people have lost their
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: lives over this subject. This coverup is no joke. So yeah,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: this particular aspect of eupology is so important because, as
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I said earlier, it has the potential to change everything.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Here is the smoking gun evidence that can no longer
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: be denied that if we could get our hands on
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: it in the public arena, has the potential to us
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: spand our knowledge in pretty much every field of science,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: whether it's chemistry or metallurgy or astronomy or biology, and
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: really beyond that, it would change everything in terms of history, education, business, economics, politics, religion.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Everything would be turned up on its end, which may
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: be one of the driving forces behind the cover up. Honestly,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: I think really what the cover up comes down to
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: is greed, power control. The fact that the folks behind
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: the cover up do have this technology and are reverse
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: engineering it and don't have our best interests in mind.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Shame on them.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: I hope you guys are watching this. You should be
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: on the right side of history. It's not too late,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: because the ets are out there. The time is coming
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: when there is open official contact and for that matter, disclosure,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: because of one simple fact. Ets are out there and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: this subject is real, so sooner or later it's all
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: going to come out. I don't think this cover up
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: is ever going to end voluntarily. I'll underline that the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: only way our governments or the folks behind.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: This cover up.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Let's face it, it's not just governments. It's the cabal, it's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: the one percenter. It's the military industrial complex. It's the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: insurance and banking and energy and pharmaceutical industry that are
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: really behind this. The highest levels of the military, the
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: intelligence agencies. That's where you look to see who's behind
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: the cover up. And they're not going to do it voluntarily.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: They will only release this information kicking and screaming, and
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: only if it's to their benefit. The only way this
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: will ever come out is if there's a huge leak, somehow,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: some insider finds a way to get this information out,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: or there is a complete and total revolution. I don't
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: see it happening any other way. Just my two cents
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: or ten cents for inflation.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed this episode. I think it's a
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: truly important subject, so I truly appreciate you guys watching.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Hope you learned something. I hope you found it interesting.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Until next time, keep asking those hard questions, keep searching
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: for the truth because it's out there. Most important of all,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: keep having fun, and I'll see you next time for
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal.
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  Speaker 1: Sign it off for Nemo