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Episode 337: 'Malice' (SG-U 2.08) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

• 0:17
  Speaker 1: Get into gate.
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  Speaker 2: This is episode 337, talking some Stargate universe.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: If you want to be lazy, you can just call
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: it SGU. You know I do. I'm Mitch. Over there, Matty. Hey.
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: Hey, if you want to talk lazy. Brendan.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Hey, mate. I was just going to say.
• 0:34
  Speaker 3: Good to be here. Have a look at who wrote
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: and directed this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you know what?
• 0:38
  Speaker 3: I will.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking Malice.
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  Speaker 3: Malice.
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  Speaker 2: Episode 8 of Season 2.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of want to mention it now, but I
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: will wait until the end of the synopsis.
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: Simeon, that guy, makes his escape from destiny after killing Gin.
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  Speaker 3: No!
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Said Eli. Dr.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: Rush embarks on a vengeful mission after him. However, Young
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: and Greer have orders to retrieve Simeon alive as he
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: may hold information vital to Earth's defences.
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: Written and directed... Robert C. Cooper.
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  Speaker 3: It's so funny because I didn't realise that and I
• 1:20
  Speaker 3: liked this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't realise that until just before. Before you
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: got here, Mitch.
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  Speaker 4: Before you got here when Brandon got here, he was like,
• 1:25
  Speaker 4: it's the best episode of Saga Universe. I didn't say that.
• 1:29
  Speaker 3: I said it's my favourite episode so far. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, first time I hear when, you know,
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: it all kicks off and it's like, okay, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really keen to see what happened after the end
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: of last week.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: Because you had old Simeon teabag, Robert Knepper.
• 1:43
  Speaker 3: Captain Simeon and the Space Monkeys.
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: Going to Jin's room and didn't say a word. Just
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: presses the button. He said, hi there, pretty.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to fuck your eye holes.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: And prolled Dr. Mandy.
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She's there like, oh.
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  Speaker 3: Perry, Dr. Perry.
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  Speaker 4: Who's?
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: Amanda Perry's dead. Amanda Perry. Oh, thanks, James. Steve Perry.
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  Speaker 1: Perry's like, what? What? And he just taps the door.
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  Speaker 1: Door's closed. Cut to credits. It's like, oh, and here
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  Speaker 1: I am. I'm keen to see where this picks up from.
• 2:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you were like, I thought Simeon was going to just,
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: he wanted Eli's sloppy seconds.
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: Obviously, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then, I mean, okay, we'll get to the Rush
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  Speaker 2: stuff and they're just like, nah, everything checks out so far.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: We're pretty sure you're not lying anymore.
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, that's why we're in this f
• 2:30
  Speaker 2: * * * ing mess to begin with because you
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: keep giving him 17 chances.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: And then Rush goes off.
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  Speaker 4: We found out your latest lie, so you can't possibly
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  Speaker 4: be lying about anything bigger than the bridge of the ship.
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: And Rush is like, you know what?
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: Old Eli, he cock-blocked me before, but now I've got
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit of, no pun intended, an opening here.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go and check her out. And walks in,
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  Speaker 2: and she's just fucking dead on the ground. And I, like,
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  Speaker 2: stopped in my tracks. I was like, hang on, what?
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, what?
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  Speaker 2: And not that I needed to see that happen, but
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: it was a bit, it just sort of caught me
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  Speaker 2: that we watched him go in, she looked a little
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  Speaker 2: bit shocked, and then the next time we see either
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  Speaker 2: of them, she's been dead on the floor for some time.
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, man. And it was a twofer.
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  Speaker 3: Where's the airman who was meant to be guarding her? Oh,
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: my God.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they did say that he killed someone already. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess his watcher, right? But there was no guy
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  Speaker 1: out front of her room.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also, when Eli left.
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  Speaker 3: Last episode, there was no guard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because Robert C. Cooper is a hack writer. There are
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  Speaker 4: so many plot holes in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just with what you started with, just the like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's a twofer. Like when it happened and.
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  Speaker 1: Did someone come in first and was like, hey, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of my plot holes. TJ says that.
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  Speaker 1: She backs it up later. She was the second person
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  Speaker 1: to bring it up.
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  Speaker 4: But she says that to Rush, who it happened to.
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  Speaker 4: The only other time it's happened is when Young was
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  Speaker 4: trying to kill Telford while he was in Rush's body
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  Speaker 4: and Rush died.
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  Speaker 3: Back on Earth.
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  Speaker 4: So Rush is the one who experienced it and then
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  Speaker 4: TJ's trying to be like, oh, no, we don't really
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  Speaker 4: know for sure.
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  Speaker 2: No, but it's like not dead dead because Rush is
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: still there walking around. So it's like we might have
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: died temporarily, but he got brought back. We haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: someone dead dead die die.
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  Speaker 4: He only came back to life because Telford came back
• 4:25
  Speaker 4: to life on Destiny. It's like, well, unless someone's performing
• 4:30
  Speaker 4: CPR back on Earth in Amanda Perry's body, which that's
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: probably difficult to give her CPR. But he was saying
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  Speaker 4: she's on the machine.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She's saying that to Rush going. She shouldn't be suffocated.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know how this works. Like maybe Jin's body
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: got killed up here and then when they're properly dead, well,
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  Speaker 2: then it's Gin and Mandy is fine back there. But
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  Speaker 2: like five minutes earlier when they're kind of talking to
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  Speaker 2: Eli about it, they're like, we don't know. Because, don't worry,
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  Speaker 2: it might have been Mandy that got killed. It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Because then Gin's going to be okay. So, like, it
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  Speaker 1: was just a rush of emotions.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever they were talking to going, don't worry, it might
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  Speaker 2: have been the other girl.
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  Speaker 4: But the fact that they talk to when Rush is
• 5:13
  Speaker 4: the one who's experienced it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And TJ's going to be like... We don't know.
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: If I was Russian, we'd be like, well, I f
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  Speaker 3: * * * ing know because I died.
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't, though.
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: But he did. The problem is it happened off screen.
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  Speaker 1: No, I know, but he is still alive.
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  Speaker 2: I know that he died, but I'm talking in the
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  Speaker 2: sense of you're dead. When people go, oh, I've died
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: four times at an operating table, it's like, sure, but
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  Speaker 2: you're here to tell me about it. I'm sure you
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  Speaker 2: did technically, clinically dead for 40 seconds or whatever it
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  Speaker 2: might have been.
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  Speaker 3: We don't know how... Gin died.
• 5:47
  Speaker 4: Like, we don't know whether Simeon, like, just strangled her.
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  Speaker 4: We're assuming he doesn't have a gun. I didn't see
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  Speaker 4: any gun, like, bullet wounds.
• 5:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: It was a crime of passion.
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  Speaker 4: He.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he's definitely strangled.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: I just went to strangled, but... He definitely... Whoa. When
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: was she 12? Mate, it's tea bag. Come on.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen the show. Yeah.
• 6:07
  Speaker 1: Oh. Do yourself a favour. Just watch the first season.
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: You should. Did you watch that British children's show called
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: Teabag when you were little? There was the witch and
• 6:16
  Speaker 3: she had the little sidekick named Teabag and she would
• 6:18
  Speaker 3: do the little into the water and the tea and
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  Speaker 3: she had magic powers.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Oh, yeah, the soap opera.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, that's Passions. You're thinking of Passions.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, what a show.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, that was American. Teabag was British.
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  Speaker 4: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't know that one. Talk amongst yourselves.
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  Speaker 3: I'll see if I can find something. It was on
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  Speaker 3: the ABC. Hey, Rush. Sir, there's more. Gintold Homeworld commands
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  Speaker 3: some things.
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  Speaker 6: You'll want to hear.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: That was so good, man.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: That was primal shit. Yeah, that was a good scream.
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: That was so good. Like, I feel we talk about
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: it a bit. But I don't think we've done justice
• 7:09
  Speaker 2: for Robert Carlyle. Like, how much he makes you hate Rush.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How good he is at that.
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  Speaker 4: And this thing, we do take it for granted with
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  Speaker 4: just how f * * * ing good he is
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  Speaker 4: at what he does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. He's absolutely phenomenal. And, like, all the
• 7:24
  Speaker 3: other cast talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: Like, in some of the special features and audio commentary
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  Speaker 4: for this episode, the guy that plays Scott, Brian J.
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  Speaker 3: Smith, he's like.
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  Speaker 1: It's just.
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  Speaker 3: He goes.
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  Speaker 4: Doing those scenes in the desert with Robert Carlyle, he's
• 7:41
  Speaker 4: like just some of the– I felt just so lucky
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  Speaker 4: just to be able to just be in the.
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  Speaker 3: Same shot as him. That's his best work of the
• 7:47
  Speaker 3: season so far is working with Rush. Honestly, I feel
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: like he's come into his own not only as an
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  Speaker 3: actor but this character has. It just– yeah, I don't know.
• 7:58
  Speaker 3: It felt really– it felt like he was– Getting the
• 8:03
  Speaker 3: energy off Carlisle.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 8:05
  Speaker 4: I reckon it probably would have helped too that, you know,
• 8:06
  Speaker 4: Carlisle directed the episode.
• 8:09
  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago. So they were able to
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: sort of see his process.
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  Speaker 4: Cause there was, there was a few things in that
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  Speaker 4: episode where they talked about like how Robert Carlo was
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  Speaker 4: just such a great director because he would just walk
• 8:20
  Speaker 4: up to one of them and say, just say, he
• 8:22
  Speaker 4: would just give them one word.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, he's an actor's director.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then he said in the scene where Eli comes
• 8:28
  Speaker 4: to see his mom in the hospital, there's a moment
• 8:31
  Speaker 4: where Eli picks up a photo and what Robert Carlyle
• 8:35
  Speaker 4: had done is he'd actually contacted David Blue's mother and
• 8:38
  Speaker 4: got a photo of David Blue as a child with
• 8:41
  Speaker 4: his mother and put it in that photo frame so
• 8:44
  Speaker 4: that when David Blue picked up that prop for the
• 8:46
  Speaker 4: first time, he saw a photo of himself and his mother. And, like,
• 8:50
  Speaker 4: the reaction, he'd, like, they said there was just this
• 8:52
  Speaker 4: amazing reaction on David Blue's face.
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: We didn't get it, but.
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: We weren't rolling the cameras, but it was amazing.
• 9:00
  Speaker 4: So I think that probably would have helped too, like
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: people understanding and, and just, it seems like Robert Carlo
• 9:05
  Speaker 4: just seems to be so giving and, and, and understands
• 9:08
  Speaker 4: his character and, and he's, he's not selfish. He's willing
• 9:11
  Speaker 4: to share and, and he brings everybody else up to
• 9:14
  Speaker 4: his level. Like, yeah, I haven't seen anyone not talk
• 9:17
  Speaker 4: amazingly about him.
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: I saw an interview with him and he, he kind
• 9:21
  Speaker 3: of acknowledged that there's a bunch of young actors in
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: this show. Like he's talking about SGU in general. And
• 9:27
  Speaker 3: he's just, he said, I wanted to come with incredible
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: intent just to show everybody that I am taking this
• 9:33
  Speaker 3: deadly seriously, even though like it's, it's this kind of
• 9:37
  Speaker 3: third spinoff of this sci-fi franchise. He's like, if I,
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: if I can bring it as much energy as I can,
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: then hopefully people will feed off that and, you know, take.
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  Speaker 1: It as seriously as I am.
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it shows, especially in these, in the late,
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: from this point on, I feel like it just starts to,
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: it's just the creams rising to the top.
• 9:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the back half of season. two is definitely they
• 10:01
  Speaker 4: were finding there it is.
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: Such a shame it didn't continue to especially when they
• 10:05
  Speaker 3: talk about you know destiny's mission maybe it is the
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: best way that we can get home is to complete
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: destiny's to keep.
• 10:11
  Speaker 4: Going yeah keep going the best way back is forward
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: yeah so yeah Such a shame. They spoke about there's
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: the scene where it's just Greer, Scott and Rush and
• 10:20
  Speaker 4: they're walking along and it's the moment when Rush breaks
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: and he goes and sits down on the rock and
• 10:26
  Speaker 4: just starts crying. And they were just talking about the–
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: that was all done in a wide shot. So it's
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: like he had to time his breakdown to hit a
• 10:36
  Speaker 4: perfect mark to then sit down in the exact spot
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: where the other camera is going to be perfectly set
• 10:42
  Speaker 4: on his face and then have a full mentee be.
• 10:45
  Speaker 4: And they were just like, how does someone do that,
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: you know? It's like when you hear about actors and
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: actresses who can just like cry on cue, they can
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: just give you the single tear and you're just like,
• 10:53
  Speaker 4: how the hell do people do that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, yeah, they just talked about how amazing it
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: all was. I wonder if Robert Carlyle kind of gave
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: Robert C. Cooper some tips for this directing because it
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: did feel like that kind of 1970s Western, like a
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: lot of those kind of wide shots that zoomed in
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: and zoomed out. I was like, oh, and we've spoken
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: about that before. Robert Carlyle loves those old Westerns. He
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: used to go to the cinema all the time with
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: his father, who was a single parent, and it just
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: felt so amazing for him. Yeah, and I think they did.
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: Say in the commentary that Cooper is a bit of
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: a Western fan as well. So it was just the
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: two of them were really just like living their best lives,
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: enjoying things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is better than his opening... Direction one.
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: What's his name? Satita or whatever it was. Satita. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you will be glad to know because I always
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: like to mention it every time and I've been so
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: looking forward to mentioning this. This is the last of
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  Speaker 4: eight episodes directed by Robert C.
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: Cooper. Wow. So he did go out.
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: On a high.
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  Speaker 3: Visually it is quite interesting.
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  Speaker 4: The shooting location was actually down in New Mexico. They
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: travelled to New Mexico to do this. They'd actually found
• 12:12
  Speaker 4: this location back when they were scouting for air in
• 12:15
  Speaker 4: season one. Someone else found the location and said, oh,
• 12:19
  Speaker 4: I really want to shoot here.
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: We have to shoot here. And Robert C. Cooper is
• 12:23
  Speaker 3: going to Robert C.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: Cooper.
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  Speaker 6: When we were down in New Mexico last year shooting
• 12:27
  Speaker 6: in White Sands, Andy Mikita did some scouting in some
• 12:30
  Speaker 6: various other locations. We were looking at other ways to
• 12:34
  Speaker 6: get outside the usual locations that we shoot.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, we got to go back and shoot there.
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: What he meant was he wanted to go back and
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: shoot there.
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  Speaker 6: Because he said it was such a cool location, and I,
• 12:42
  Speaker 6: of course, stole it from him.
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  Speaker 3: You son of a bitch.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: Of course I stole it from him.
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. You stupid son of a bitch. Oh, Cooper.
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then, like, a Mufasa death?
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: We're just ripping off the Lion King now? Yeah. Like, really?
• 13:07
  Speaker 3: When I got to that, I was like, because, again,
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: No memory of this episode either. So I was just like, really?
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: That's what we're doing? We're going to move faster than Simeon?
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: I thought it was.
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: They even called them Space Buffalo in the special features.
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: They were like, okay, so there's going to be this
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: big herd of Space Buffalo.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: And they were dinosaurs anyway. They were two-legged dinosaurs. But
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: they were calling them Space Buffalo. I think it was...
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: If Rush was going to win the battle against Simeon,
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: he was always going to have to use his intelligence. Oh, absolutely.
• 13:39
  Speaker 6: And.
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he obviously didn't have the tactical advantage like Simeon
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  Speaker 3: has all that training.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't hate it. I didn't like the CGI.
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't hate it, but it was lazy because
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: it was also like, you know, Rush was complaining that
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: we're never going to catch him, blah, blah, blah. And
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: before Scott had to like retreat, he was like, yeah,
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: but we've shot him now.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: He'll be working slower.
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: But just the shot at the end, it was like,
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: You saw Simeon out in that big field, like out
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: in the big opening where he dies. Rush is looking
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: through his little telescopic lens thing. Then he looks over
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: and sees the herd and looks back. And it's been
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: a whole thing where it's like they can't keep up
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: with him, they can't keep up with him, blah, blah, blah.
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: Then Rush is somehow able to run hundreds of metres
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: in another direction, set up some C4, run all the
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: way back, and Simeon's still only about three metres ahead
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: of where he was before Rush did that.
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been shot in the leg.
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: But he's, like, standing at, like, Simeon's not going to
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: stand out in the middle of a fucking field and just, like,
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: take a break. He would have stopped before then if
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: he was going to stop and rest. Yeah, I noticed
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: that this time around, too. I'm like, did you take
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: three steps?
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Rush could sprint, bro. He used to be a
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: beach sprinter. I don't know if you knew that.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: But it's like, what if, like, they could have had
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: Eli and, oh, not Eli, they could have had Greer
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: and Scott be the ones to, like, set the explosion
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: or something like that or something or, you know, the
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: fact that they found out how to track through the-
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Give James something to do.
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, my God. Those two shots, those two ultra,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: ultra slow-mo shots.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: I thought the first one was cool. I mean, they
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: look great. They look great.
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, doing the same thing twice. Jim Menard on the.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Special feature was like, that's the coolest shot Stargate as
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: a series has ever done.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, really? Hang on, mate. Really?
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Hold the phone.
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: Do you not remember Heroes when Jack went down in
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: slow motion and there was the Alkesh coming across?
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: That was the best. That was Peter DeLuise, was it? No,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Martin Wood.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: I thought it was DeLuise.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: Heroes. oh, I think that might have been, oh, he
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: could be right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: Or it could have been, it would have been Wood
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: or DeLuise. Then you've got Wood doing the blowing up
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: of the original pyramid on Abydos at the end of
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: Full Circle.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like, are you joking, mate? Oh, Andy Makita was
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: here as part one. Oh, that was Makita.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: He was both.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Imagine what he could have done.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: He was supposed to do this episode. He was supposed
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: to shoot on this location.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Imagine what he could have done.
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Written by Cooper and directed by Makeda, yeah.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then in the special feature they talked about
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: the first time they did the shot with Lieutenant James,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: Cooper was like, oh, so there was something wrong with
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: the camera. We didn't know how to use it, so
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: we had to do it a second time. And, you know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: she was just so gung-ho about it.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: So you fucked up. So you fucked up, Cooper.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Is that the last shot?
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the last shots when Rush is walking
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: kind of, off into the sunset and they zoom in
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: and then they kind of pan quickly to the left.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone caught that. No?
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: The camera.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: No.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't horrific, but I was just like, oh,
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: what are they going to do here? And then it
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: cut and then it, because it started with a really
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: wide shot as after Rush had killed Simeon and then
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: it zooms in slightly and then just goes clink to
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: the left.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: They did talk about, they used a, I almost grabbed
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: the audio for you guys, but I was so bored
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't. They used a camera that had like a
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: 400 times zoom on it.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, great landscape.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that did so much of the heavy lifting. Yeah.
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: They did say like Cooper actually like went out and
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: scouted a bunch of places while he was writing the
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: episode and like so wrote scenes to specific sort of spots.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I liked it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: The old Boxer Boys trip.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: I like it how Rush didn't really give a shit.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: that he was going to get left behind.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: He didn't run at all.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Did he? I feel like at this point, like near
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: the end, when, when all the, when all the destiny
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: crew come out and surprise him, I feel like he
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: already had in his head. I've already kind of pre-programmed
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: and I know where destiny's path is.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: So I'll just gate to the. Yeah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: He was like, Oh, okay. I don't think he really
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: cared the whole way back.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: He was thinking, all right, well, I'm going to gate
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to this place and see if it has water or
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: go to this place and try and catch up. Yeah,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: he definitely wasn't expecting anything to happen.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Definitely wasn't expecting Chloe to save the day.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right? I knew Eli would do it. Well, he didn't. Wait, what?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Who was it? C-H-L-O-E, Chloe. Chloe, Chloe, Chloe.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: It was also the most O'Neill glasses that I think
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Scott's glasses have ever looked for me.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: There was just something about those and particularly how they
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: looked side on. I mean, nothing tops the O'Neill sort
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: of like goggly glasses.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in the special features they did say the wind
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: was the worst thing. So they all had to wear
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: these sort of goggles and stuff to try and keep
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the wind out. I know I'm referencing the special features
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: a lot and that's only because... Every other special feature
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: for any other episode of this entire season, the entire
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: special feature has been about three minutes long. The special
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: feature just for this shooting location was 20 minutes long.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Mate, Cooper's got a lot to say.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. This is the scene where Rush breaks down.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: SIGHS Those two guys are just like looking at him going,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: what the.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: F * * *?
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Hands in the water. Everyone's given Rush water all
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the time in this show. Yeah, right?
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Never takes a piss. He never declines it either.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: He's never like, no, I'm fine.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It's your ration. I didn't see why you would blame yourself. Wait, what?
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: For what it's worth.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: What do you mean for this to happen?
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I brought her on board.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: I understand why you kept the secret. I thought you
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: couldn't trust growing up. We're gonna have to work these
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: things out.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: All of us together, from now on, learn to trust
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: What happened to following orders? Yeah, well, some things are
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: more complicated than that. Congratulations. You know what I'm saying?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: We have to try and figure out what's right.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he killed her, essentially, because he withheld the
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: truth from everybody. Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's paying for the consequences.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Well, he's not paying for any consequences.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Mandy and Gin are the ones that paid the consequences
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: for his actions.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: The ultimate one, yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: As remaining suffering. As much as he will ever pay.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Like, off the back of what we have previously said,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: that he doesn't feel remorse. He doesn't feel responsible for
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: anything that either he does or that comes from what
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: he does.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So finally he has. And it was monumental for him.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It just.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: And I don't know if this is the feminist in me,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: if this is the 2026, but it just, it felt
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: a little cliche for me in that the only way
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: any of these men were motivated to do anything was
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: because Robert C.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Cooper killed off a bunch of women. Like he killed off.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Mandy and Gin and then Park almost copped it as well.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: It was weird too the way that Rush was able
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: to kind of like, he was on a rampage. He's
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: gone through the gate to go after Simeon. He would
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: have done it whether Park was there or not. It
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: didn't matter.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: But then he was able to just put his rage
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: on hold to then.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Save Park.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then continue on with his rampage.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, then you've got that weird scene with Eli where
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: he's like, give me a gun.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going. That was crazy. Just doing rush.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Shut up, Eli.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: We've already got Rush doing that. Yeah. Meanwhile.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: park was like just and held at gunpoint by simeon
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: dragged through had a bomb strapped to her back she
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: walks back through and she's.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Like no i'm good okay i'm just gonna go back
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: to work now.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: There was definitely i think park like uh that actress
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: was playing it really really great that she was rattled
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: but she she still went back i i don't know
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: because i don't remember but The way that Volker was like, oh,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: my God, I'm so sorry.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I can't.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was weird.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: That was weird because she was like, no, it's fine.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's fine.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, she's still fine. No, no, no.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did all you could. And he's like, I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: just want to get back to work. I just want
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to get back to work.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Well, because he likes her, right? That's the undertone. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: they might have been getting close. And the fact that
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: he couldn't save her. But Park's been banging Greer, though.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's his name?
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Volker.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Volker likes her. Oh, you reckon?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure they've shown that before. Yeah, okay.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of the undertone is that, like, he
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: felt helpless, emasculated that he couldn't defend the woman that
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: he's probably in love with. Oh, yeah, he definitely felt
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: like shit. Like, I really like that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think he could have done anything else.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Unless one of them died.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what Volker did was saved her life. You know
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: If he'd have tried something out of his depth, there's
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: no way he's taking down Simeon.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: She'd be dead.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: But I absolutely understand if Park is just like, I
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: can't believe you.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Let that happen or whatever.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: But it's like, I could be talking out of my ass,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: but I don't know if we keep exploring any of that,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: if there is any residual tension between Volker and Park
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: by next week's episode.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: I don't remember.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: I hope there is, because I feel like that would
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: be a really interesting thing to explore.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: But I don't know.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: But it just felt like, there were just all these
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: damsels in distress that were, you know, fought up just
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: so these men could, you know, have a mental breakdown
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: to have a mental breakthrough.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Like, it just felt a bit... I didn't read a
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: lot of that.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I understand it was a Western, but it was just like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: you know, just like Eli having the exact same response as.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Rush just felt kind of repetitive.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: And, like, I can understand one person going on a
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: rampage because if you think about it, Eli and Gin
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: only hooked up last week. I actually completely forgot that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: I didn't remember that Gin died so quickly after she
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: and Eli hooked up. I remember them being in a
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: longer relationship.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, I didn't realise these things
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: happened so close together.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have been anywhere from eight hours to...
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: A week. We don't know. But as an audience, it's
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: only been like one episode. So for me, I think...
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: And Park was in... I mean, not Park. Amanda Perry
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: was in her body for most of last episode. Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: And that was kind of it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: So to me, it almost cheapened Rush's reaction that Eli
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: had the exact same reaction.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, and a gun. Oh, this man killed
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: my woman, so I'm going to kill him. Like, I
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: would have liked to have explored... Eli maybe just being
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: more like, Oh, I just met her. I, you know,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: we didn't even get a chance to, I think I
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: could have loved her.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Like I didn't mind it because he's a guy that's like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: he's clearly, he's never the guy that's gotten the girl,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you know? And even the ones that he thought that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: he had, you know, didn't things get taken away from him,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the whole thing with his mom, blah, blah, blah. Finally
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: something has happened to him. And it's like, it's like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: you know, years and years and years all wrapped up
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: into one and then gets taken away from it. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of like a, you life like what
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: have i done to deserve all this shit like why
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: does nothing good happen to me type thing yeah so
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: i actually didn't mind that he had the same way
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: even if it was like a even if like rushes
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: was dessert it was earned because it was years of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: build up you know that he's had this friendship with
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Perry and then he's lost his wife and he sort
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of had to deal with that and come to terms
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: with that and get over, not get over it, but
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: get some kind of closure from it, get a second,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: second chance with Perry and.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Right, when he's willing to admit it and he's willing
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to take that next step, clearly she's been interested in
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: him for a while. He's finally ready to do it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: She gets ripped away from him. So like that one's
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: like an adult earned over years and years. Whereas then, yeah,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I didn't mind if you're going to look at, not you,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: but like just if we look at Eli's as being
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a bit childish, like, oh, I'm a real man, give
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: me a gun, I'm going to go hunt him and
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: shoot him. It's like, you're going to get capped as
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: soon as you walk through the gate.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Like, he just.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but so would Rush. Rush had the exact same situation.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Rush was like, he didn't say it out loud, but
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: he went and got a gun and then he went
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and hunted it. Like, Rush and Eli did the exact
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: same thing. You know, it's just Eli didn't get a
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: chance to do it because he talked about it rather
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: than just doing it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been nicer to get a different
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: reaction because Simeon killed.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Two partners but with one murder yes you know and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: yeah that's a nice sci-fi thing where it's like we
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: can explore that so if they have both have the
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: same reaction it kind of misses an opportunity to see
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: what the.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Other side could be yeah because you're exploring the same
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: death in two different ways i think would have been
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: more interesting and then i even would have liked some
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: kind of line where it's like maybe towards the end
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: um rush like just you know uh just tried to
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: be like, oh, you think you're tough. The only way
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: he did this was by murdering and taking hostage these
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: women because you can't take on, you know, someone equal
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: to you or a man or, you know, whatever. They
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: didn't even do that. It's like, he could have taken Volker.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Why did he take Park? You know what I mean?
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: He clearly goes for the weakest person in the room. Yeah,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: the episode's called Malice. He's intentionally trying to break the
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: hearts of these people by destroying the most innocent. But
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: he doesn't know that Park is the most innocent for
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: all he knows.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: If he'd have grabbed Camille, are we going to say
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Camille's the most, you know, innocent person in the room?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Compared to others.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I think him being, if it's like a chauvinistic thing going,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take the woman because she's weaker than
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the man.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I would have liked them to call him out on it. Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: And just talk about it or, you know, it just
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: felt a little bit, And it's just the Cooper-ness of it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: It's easy money. It's like a wolf eating a lamb.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: It's easy.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm saying Cooper wrote it. You know what
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I mean?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Park and Volker didn't have to be the ones in
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: that room. It could have been Park and Brody and
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: he took... Sorry, it could have been Volker and Brody
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: and he could have taken one of the men.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: But he didn't. You know what I mean? To be fair, though...
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Park was amazing in that scene when she's got the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: ball in her back. She was incredible. I felt more
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: connection to, if it was Brodie Ogling, like, fuck, I
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: don't give a shit.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: If it was Volker, I'm like, yeah, who cares?
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: But it just, it's three women in a row kind
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: of thing, you know, and it just felt a little
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: bit repetitive and just a little bit, you know, like.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Hang a lantern on it. Talk about, you know.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: And saying that, like, again, I wasn't as worried about it.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about that while watching. But sometimes I'm like,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I i kind of just appreciate a he
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: does have a face and he does have a name
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: and he does speak but a bit of a faceless
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: just purely evil motiveless villain like oh yeah he's so
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: basic he's going to pick off the women because he
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: like subconsciously knows that's the only ones he could definitely
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: take down yeah is the cute little redhead in a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: room who's got the mind of someone from across the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: universe sort of thing.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: But I just would have loved the show to talk
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: about it and explore it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: But I mean, even if the show doesn't explore it,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: I don't mind this episode being the show's excuse to
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: just have a villain for the sake of having a villain.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It's the most evil thing you can do.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Right, but we've then also lost two of the most
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: interesting female characters in the show just to be able
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: to kill this faceless, nameless, boring villain.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Especially when they're going around and they're just like, Matthews
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: is dead on the ground.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like, who the fuck is Matthews? He's just another
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: person that put in a soldier's outfit. But then if
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: they kill off them as an audience, I don't.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Give a shit. I think if this was the penultimate episode...
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it would have hit harder. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Because I was disappointed. We've almost got there sort of thing.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And it's been a year.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Listen, I was disappointed that Eli. Draw out a year
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: of the Bush alliance. I was disappointed that Eli and
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Gin didn't get an opportunity to kind of see where
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: this relationship was going.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so quick. Or that it was real.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And I think it is real because he's,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and Eli obviously tormented. I would have liked to have
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: seen his emotional state be a bit more devastated because,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: he'd be mourning the potential. You know that if you
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: fall in love with someone, you look into each other's eyes,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: something happens, something clicks, and you're just like, oh, this
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: could be so many possibilities. And then that literally got
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: cut short. That would have been really nice to explore that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I've just recently been mourning potential. And, yeah, it fucking
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: sucks because you just think about what could have been.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: And that's the thing that you miss the most. I
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: actually think what would have been more interesting would have been, say, Simeon,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: because he just wanted to kill Gin. I don't even
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: think he understood the Mandy of it. He wasn't trying
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to do that. He just wanted to get Gin. He
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: was confused. Yeah, he just wanted to get Gin.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, if anything, when she goes, oh, I'm sorry, I'm Dr.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Mandy Perry.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: And he's like.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Off Ginn?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? I would say that too
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: if I didn't want to get killed. He didn't actually
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: understand how the stones work.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: He was like, oh, you guys can transport back to
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Earth pretty quick.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: I think what would have been more interesting to explore
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: over the long term is say Simeon goes in and
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: he goes to kill Ginn. He quote unquote kills her, right,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: by strangling her.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: Someone finds her. resuscitates her, Gin comes back to life.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: But the trauma, Amanda Perry's body can't survive it. They
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: couldn't revive her on her end because of her disabilities.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: And Simeon, while trying to kill Gin, actually kills Mandy
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: and doesn't kill Gin. That still gives you Rush going
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: and having his revenge story.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: But then you.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Still have the story element of being able to explore
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: the Eli and Gin storyline.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: But then also.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: because the last time Rush kissed or had an interaction
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: with Mandy, it was in Gin's body, he then has
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: to watch Gin and Eli with this sprouting relationship and
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: just tortures him even more, even after he's killed Simeon,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: that every time he looks at Gin, all he sees
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: is Mandy.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially because Mandy's body is on the ventilator.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: So in theory, like, she could be kept alive. Yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: and that's what I mean.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: It just feels lazy and it feels like dumb writing
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: to write out two of these incredibly interesting characters.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Definitely. Way too soon. Like I said, I just thought
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the Gin Eli thing went on much longer than this. Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: So it just feels like such a waste.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: And then also, and this is, you know, this is
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: the 2026 of it all, but it's also like what
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: it does psychologically for men, some men I think, especially
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: men in the armed forces, is all those other– soldiers.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: That died, no one wanted revenge for them.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: No one said, oh, you killed Airman Matthews or whatever.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go through the gate.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: It was just like, so there's all these soldier men.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, okay, that's collateral damage.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: So it's almost like their lives weren't worth anything. There
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: was no one there to be like, I'm going to
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: mourn this person or I'm going to go and get
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: revenge for this person.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, classic side characters.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like those lives are disposables. You know what I mean?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, that's, that makes me feel icky
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: as well. It just, I don't know.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I just visually this episode was gorgeous, but I just,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't connect with the writing. I just think there's
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: just so many better ways that this could have been done.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: And I think you're right, Brendan.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I think it would have been really cool if this
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: was much later in the season after maybe like Simeon
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: had been playing us. Maybe Simeon was actually real, like
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: instead of being such a mustache twirler, He could have
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: been playing good like Varo for episodes and episodes and episodes.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: And then finally he reveals his true colours after people
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: have gotten to know him and like him and realise
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: that he's been fake this whole time and he played everybody.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: That I think is a more interesting. That would have
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: been better.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: That would have been a better reveal.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: What was his actual motive, Simeon?
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Because I'm going to kill her, get some guns and
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: then gate to a planet?
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And then also before that. Yeah, what did they say?
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: They try and get back to the planet where they
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: left the other Lucian people.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Was that in the previous galaxy?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Which galaxy was that in? When did we leave the
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: previous galaxy? Was it? No, that was last season, wasn't it?
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: It was in between episodes of last season. I think
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Incursion was the new galaxy. Yeah, the Lucian Alliance arrived
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: after we'd gotten into the new galaxy.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, it's like. What was his motive?
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: What was his motive to kill Gin?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: No, that was.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I understand why he wanted to murder her, but what
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: was his plan?
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was. Leave for a fucking desert planet? No,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I think it was what Mitch said.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: He literally just left with a remote and wanted to
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: backtrack to try and find the other Lucian Alliance people,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: which is a pretty shitty plan.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: That sucks.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: He doesn't know how those fucking remotes work.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: As a soldier, though, is that better than just sitting
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: in lockup? Of an enemy?
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: But he wasn't in lockup.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: No, but, like, he's also, like, what is he doing?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Sure, he's free and he's, like, he's getting occasional piss
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: water and some, like, dried fruit.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But, like, for him that may as well be.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: He chose that. He chose that over going with the
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: other Lucian Alliance people.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but now is he full of regret going, oh, shit,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: maybe I should have.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: But what is it that Gin did that made him
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: want to kill her that then he had to go
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: on the run?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Just playing ball with the enemy. Yeah, which they were
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: all doing anyway.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: But it's like everybody was.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: They had that bullshit line about, oh, they're from the
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: same clan or whatever. But it's like we don't know
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: what Gin gave up.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: We don't know any. Is it just like.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: No, because I think.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Well, for him, like the idea that she is getting
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: whatever privilege, like where it's like, oh, it's time to go.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: And he's like, to go what?
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: And it's like, that's nothing that concerns you. So the
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: idea that she's being treated quite. He's already said to Gin,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I hear you're getting pretty friendly with one of these,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: you know, people on the ship.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: So like the idea that she's playing ball, she's seemingly
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: being welcomed into their circle, she's getting privileges that he's
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: not getting. Because he's been a dickhead. Why would he
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: not assume that she's given up? If he knows he's
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: giving them lives.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: But he's been given every single, the same opportunity that
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Gin has been given. He chose to walk into the
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: commissary and say something disgusting to Park immediately.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Because he's a fuckwit.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's like, why did we not explore that?
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Like it just, we've just ended three really interesting characters.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: For not a lot of payoff. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Like you've ended all these threads that we can't then
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: explore in next week's episode. Like it's, it's, it's Robert's
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: who could be just going, well, I'm going to make
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: a really cool episode and whoever's got to.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Write the next one and just deal with, deal with
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: the things.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: That I've, that I've done. I've ended all these character
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: arcs and you just have like.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it should have been the end of season.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: Like have last week's still, but just take this episode
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: out and put it at the end. And then at
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: least we can kind of experience what these characters could
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: have been.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: And then there was some other like bullshit, like plot
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: holes and stuff as well with the whole, the ship
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: having to leave and then travel for four hours and
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: stop and then blah, blah, blah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: It's like, why was there a timer? It wasn't a plan.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: When Simeon left the gate room, like when he went
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: through the gate with Park, That wasn't a scheduled stop.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: No.
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: So why was there a timer? Whenever Rush has stopped
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: the ship, there's never been a timer. It's been a
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: plot point this whole season.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: And did it happen again where they go, look, if
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: you're not back in the ship anyway, we'll just jump
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: into FTL.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: We have to be in there for four hours. Then
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: we'll bring us out.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: We'll bring us out.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: There also shouldn't have been a timer then, right?
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: There shouldn't have been a timer then either.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: But there was. They're like nine hours. It's like, yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: So I'm just like, well, that's just lazy. That's lazy
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: writing as well, just to try and put a time
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: limit on it. When the time passed really quickly anyway, like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: If you think about it, it was nine hours the
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: first time, then another four hours, then I think it
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: was another nine hours or whatever it was on the timer.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: How long is daytime on this planet?
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Right, right. It all looked like it was the same
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: day and all that kind of stuff. of thing. Yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: because they said, what was the first timer?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Like eight hours?
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Eight hours or something. And then it was four hours
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: through FTL and then it was another eight hours and
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: he went. I think nine even.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: No, they said you've been gone for nine.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, right. And hence that's why you would have missed it.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: But you're lucky Chloe was there. He's like, oh, good
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: for her. It's like, no, mate, good for you. Yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I just, I don't know. Like I said, it's a
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: really well, like a really good looking episode.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: But I just think. Yeah, I think that's what I
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: like most about it. It just cut too many ties.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: There was no Camille again. There was no Camille in
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: this episode. Not even for a beat. The only thing
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I'll say that I did like, and again, it kind of,
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: as good as the park thing was, It didn't go anywhere.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: But what I really liked is the symbolism of the
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: way Young was able to save Park's life was to
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: break the glasses that Volker or Brodie had fixed for him.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: If he hadn't have done something nice for them, they
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have tried fixing his glasses and then he wouldn't
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: have had.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: The thing to.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: save park but also the fact that he was without
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: his glasses for so long and he hated it the
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: fact that he was willing to do something um selfless
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: for a change in breaking his glasses to then be
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: able to save park's life i found that a really
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: sim like a nice symbolism um but then yeah it
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: didn't really go anywhere for the rest of the episode
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: park just went okay i'm back to work and i'm
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: hoping it was.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Park's choice like that i think it's jennifer spence is
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: her name i think.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping it was kind of her choice to be like, no,
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: I want to play it rattled and awkward, but still
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: be like, no, I want to, I want to get
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: back to work like that. Her way of processing that
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: trauma that she's just been through. Yeah. I just, I
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: thought it was also very, very telling too, that it's like, well, what,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: why didn't Cooper give Park the opportunity to be like, well,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: now that I'm, she could, she could have joined the hunt.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Like instead of going back through the gate after the
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: bomb had been set off, she could have been like, oh,
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: I want a piece of this piece of shit now.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Like, But, of course, Cooper's not going to write that. So....
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I really like the visuals, especially when Rush would just
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: walk out into that wide shot. He's walking with nothing
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: but a pistol. Yeah.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Or a Glock, I don't know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually took me... He walks out of there
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, this is so cool. It's like
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: an old school Western. Yeah.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: He would have absolutely loved that, Carlo. I think just
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: for Craig's benefit, I think... I think it's a chicken
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: and rooster thing. I think all Glocks are pistols, but
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: not all pistols are Glocks.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, I think that might be a thing.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: We're not going to Google it. No.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: There was, what did I call it the other day?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: The muzzle? No, I called it something instead of the barrel,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: something stupid. I can't remember.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: I did get confused for one minute because I didn't
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: see Rush pick up a remote when he went through
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: the Stargate after Simeon. So, yeah, there was all those
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: cool shots of him just with a pistol, but then
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: there's other shots where he's like holding the remote. And
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: you just notice every now and then you'll actually see
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: he did have the remote in his back pocket. But, yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: for the first time I saw it, I was like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: where the fuck did he get that remote from? But
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: it makes sense because there's no way he's just going
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: to walk through the gate with no way.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: To get back.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, he grabbed it off the DHD console thing. Yeah,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: I missed that sort of as he walked through. But
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: it makes sense because, oh, no, they sent the keynote
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: after him.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I did like when he's like, shut up. I liked
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: it how Simeon could just knock that Keno from 100
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: yards away and then couldn't shoot for shit afterwards. Like
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: he got Greer when Greer was just standing there like
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: an idiot. Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: But also like why didn't he just, why didn't he
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: take out Hark and Rush while like Rush was working on,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: why didn't he just shoot them? Because like that would
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: have set off the bomb and then the like, yeah,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe he was just waiting for the team to come through.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: You want to do like the most damage as possible.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: But if I've put a bomb on the back of
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: a human being as a decoy and I'm up there
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: in a sniper position and I see, and I see
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: someone trying to disarm the bomb, am I not going
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: to take that person out?
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: And just a little bit.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I did love that.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: The, the audio commentary was Dr. Park and Lieutenant Scott.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: And they even had a little bit of an issue
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: with some of Cooper's direction. This is when Simeon is, like,
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: you know, doing his rampage through the ship. And it's
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: right as the doors open as he goes and grabs
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Park and Volker.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, this right here. Look at that. Just a mean machine.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Although I never figured out where that smoke came from.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Where did the smoke come from?
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I just assumed it was the gunshots.
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: I can never figure out, like, because did he put
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: one of the mines to open the door?
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: But why would it?
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't the door be open?
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: It's such a cool effect, but I was like, where
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: did that smoke come from? Good point.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, when he was walking through the corridor.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's that great shot where the doors open and
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Simeon just walks through this smoke.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: It's kind of like the issue you had with back
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: in Satita. Yeah. We did this in Satita.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, where Ronan walks out of the exploding warehouse with
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: not a scratch on him.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Simeon walks through this smoke that just appears out of nowhere.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: The only, yeah, the only smoke, well, I wouldn't call
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: it smoke even. It's kind of like a mist that
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: comes out of the consoles. Oh, yep. And I always.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Like the dry ice kind of. Yeah, I always just
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: assumed that that was some type of technology in that
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: they breathe it in and they exhale and that's the
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: way the ship can interact with them. Oh, yep.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Just my stupid theory.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could buy that. Shame Cooper didn't write it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I think there was something similar in Farscape.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: That's why.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: Oh, and Jacob was supposed to join in this episode,
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: but he couldn't, so he did send me through some notes.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: His notes for Malice just simply say, God, I hate
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Simeon so much. God, I'm in love with Park. Eli's
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: give me a gun line hit really hard. Okay, he
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: must have liked Eli's give me a gun.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. It was like they both
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: were doing that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: And it's like, Eli, come on, dude.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Why not even... jerk off straight. You should see your
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: computer screen. Your mum cleans it every day.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I like when Young comes up to me and goes,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: what are you doing?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: And he's looking down at Young and he's like, are
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you giving me an order?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, fuck off, mate.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I don't mind you getting a gun, but when you
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: look at the commanding officer of the military of the
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: ship and you're like, do you think you're the boss
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of me or something?
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: I'm going to help on the planet and I don't
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: care what you say. I'm not going to be able
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: to figure out how to stall the clock and the
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: time we have.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: What exactly do you think you're going to do on
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: the planet?
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Something.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: He's already injured two more Marines.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: These are highly trained combatants.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: Do you even know how complicated ancient programming algorithms are?
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: Because Rush didn't solve it, and he's had a couple
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: of months.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: I need you to get back to the bridge.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: Even if I could... Find a way to quickly bypass
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: all the protocols and add time to the clock. I
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: have no idea what the consequences might be down the line.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: For all I know, we may end up burning out
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: all our power before we reach the next star. Are
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: you ordering me to do that?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I am considering the fact that we may be able
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: to save lives on Earth.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: Only if we catch Simeon alive. And if he just
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: tells you what you want to know. Because, really, what
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: are the chances of that? Now, are you going to
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: let me have one of these weapons or not?
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: You're angry?
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Is that it, Eli?
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: I get that.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I also know that this is not something that is
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: in you, and that's not something that you should be
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: ashamed of.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Now, listen to me.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Killing someone, no matter how much you think they deserve it,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: is going to change you.
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: All right?
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Don't you act like you were the only person aboard
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the ship that has lost someone that they care about.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the line.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: That could have been better conversation. That could have been
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: part of the Scott and Rush conversation. I think they
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: did touch on it a little bit. But also, Eli,
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: how do you think your fat ass is going to
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: catch up with Simmon in the first place? He's got
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: like how many hours? He's got like a nine-hour head
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: start on you.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like he knows that. What the fuck do
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: you think you're doing?
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I can't help on the ship, so
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go and be a burden on the planet?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: And he was an asshole to everybody on the ship too.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: He's like, mate, you got laid once.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I can't get it.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Like, whatever. And then, like, that's why I like that
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: line from Young. Don't pretend you're the only one, mate. Like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: you've been dancing around Chloe trying to get your end
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: wet after her father died and sacrificed himself for all
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: of us. Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Now you think it's.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Like, super difficult to be emotional about dead people just
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: because it happened to you? Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Like, come on, mate.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why, like, it just screams of that's
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: all Cooper thinks grief is.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Is anger.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Like, there's no more complex feelings about grief than anger
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: and revenge.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, really? Yeah. Yeah. Got a whole
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: squad of people out there trying to kill the guy. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: Like, Eli, Scott's got, like, a nine-hour head start on you.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: What the fuck do you think you're going to do
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: to help? Yeah, the only thing I reckon he's probably like,
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: I can't just... sit here I have to even if
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: like it's futile I need to at least for my
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: own sanity, just try to do something.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: You just went about it the wrong way.
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: But also if I'm, if I'm math boy, I'm going
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: to be like, well, and if, if, if I'm, if I'm,
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: if I'm, if I'm fat math boy, I'm going to
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: be like, okay, what have I got better chances of
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: running around on a desert planet with a Beretta or, or,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: turning this fucking ancient ship around that has all these
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: fucking guns on it, flying directly to that planet and
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: just blasting Destiny's main weapon directly at Simeon. That would
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: be cool. Yeah, that's what I'm going to be fucking
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: working on doing.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: They trace instead of the monsters.
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: They track Simeon's remote and just fucking nail him from orbit.
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Isn't that what, that's the one thing Eli did manage
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: to do. Chloe managed to figure out the ship. Eli
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: managed how to figure out how to track a remote.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: So he was fucking useful, not on the planet. So
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: And like I said, it's just Cooper going.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Oh, you kill me woman, me mad, me kill you. Like,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: come on, man.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: That's what you think men are? Like, we're a little
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: more complex than that.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Not much. Speak for yourselves. You know?
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: So it's like, basically, according to Cooper, every civilian, when
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: they lose someone, just wants to be Rambo.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, come on. Absolutely.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but even I know, even if I want to
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: be Rambo, I'm not going to look like Rambo. I'm
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: going to look like fucking Eli wanting to be Rambo.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Self-awareness. Self-awareness.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Cooper.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Glad it's your last episode, you piece of shit. It's
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: not the last one that he wrote, though, is it? Yeah,
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think it was just his last direction. Let
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: me have a look.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Eight episodes directed. Directed. Across the franchise. Yeah. Only eight.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, I know, right?
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Wow. I don't think he ever directed any SGU. He
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: only directed Atlantis and Universe.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, SGA.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: You mean SG-1?
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: SG-1.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Sorry. What did I say? SGU. Oh, sorry. Yeah, he
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: didn't direct any SG1.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Thank God.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: He only directed Atlantis because his first one was like Satida.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: So he only directed Atlantis. And so he would have done, what,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: four or six Atlantis episodes and then this was his
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: second universe?
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Alliances is written by a woman. Holy crap. A woman?
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: I won't be here next week.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: This is a woman?
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: No, it's in two episodes. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Still won't be here? Still won't be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: We record two at a time, remember?
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: Visitation is written by Remy, so that could go either way.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Cooper writes Common Descent. Ooh, Linda writes a second one.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: She writes Blockade. Yeah, so I think Cooper's got one
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: more writing credit in him, but this was his last direction. Thanks. Ooh,
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Peter comes back, though. We've got a couple of Peter
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: DeLuise episodes coming up. Peter? Peter. Peter. We shall see.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And that's episode 337.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: God, I was like holding my breath until you got
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Well done. Well done to you.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, Eli.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, boy. Give me some visitation. Choke me like Simeon did. Oh, Jesus. Oh,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: block my windpipe.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Gin.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I want to wear your hand like a necklace. Chirk me.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Chirk me, math boy.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Get into the gate.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Ah, I understand. Get into the gate, you crazy, crazy kids.