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#268 - Dave Smith’s Israel Critique on Rogan: Is Modern Israel Biblically Legitimate? · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Is Israel as a nation that was reconstituted in 1948, is that the same biblical Israel?
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  Well, if you saw last week's podcast with Joe Rogan and Dave Smith,
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  you would come away thinking that that is not the case.
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  And some remarks that Dave Smith made and was validated by Joe Rogan,
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  it came across just not being familiar at all with what the Bible says.
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  Because, I mean, we could read the news all day long and maybe look at history,
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  and those are great things.
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  But when it comes down to it, what does God's word actually say?
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  Does it say in there that in 1948,
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  God is going to reestablish the Israel kingdom or Israel as a nation?
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  But first of all, we're going to take a look at what Dave Smith said on Joe
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  Rogan's podcast, and he uses a pretty crazy analogy.
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  This ridiculous religious superstition that somehow when God said Israel in
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  Genesis, he was referring to the state that was created that they named after that passage.
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  This would literally be on the level, Joe, is if I named my son Jesus Christ,
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  and then I told you, you have to worship my son.
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  Look, it's right there in your Bible. No, you named it after that,
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  dude. That doesn't count.
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  That's crazy. And they took the spot where it was. Yeah. I mean,
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  like- They took over and they did it in a horrific way, like the napka. Yeah.
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  You listen to some of those soldiers, the translation of some of those soldiers
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  talking about what they did and even laughing about what they did.
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  Some of them even smiling. In 1948?
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  Yeah, because it's not, it wasn't in 1848. Right. You know what I mean?
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  Like, these guys were alive, maybe not so many of them now, but like 20,
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  30 years ago, you could put a video camera in front of one of these guys and
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  ask them to tell their story.
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  Right, it was like 78 years ago. It wasn't that long ago. Yeah, that's right.
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  Yeah. All right, so is Dave Smith correct about this? Is what he's saying valid?
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  First of all, he's a Jew, so he's kind of like the anomaly.
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  I know there are some Jews out there that don't agree with the state of Israel,
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  and I mean, but what are we thinking about?
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  What are we looking at when we look at the people over there and Jews over there
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  recreating this nation?
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  I would say that if we look to the Bible itself,
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  God does make prophetic announcements at the very beginning of the Bible and
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  says when he makes a covenant with Israel, He says that if you obey this covenant,
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  if you keep your end of the bargain, if you keep up with it and do what I do,
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  what I command you, I'm going to bless you.
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  You're going to you're going to like basically rule over other nations. You're going to.
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  You're not going to borrow from other nations. Other nations are going to borrow from you.
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  You're going to be blessed. But if you disobey the covenant,
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  you're going to be thrown out of the land.
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  And that's what happens in the Old Testament when they go into exile into Babylon,
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  and then they are brought back.
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  And then that's what happens again with the destruction of the second temple
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  in Jesus's time, right after Jesus was crucified, that the Jews were dispersed
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  throughout all the world.
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  They were sent into exile to all parts of the world, not just to Babylon,
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  but to everywhere because they had to get out of there.
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  They were just basically dismantled as a nation.
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  But we see throughout 2,000 years that they're just kind of just wandering nomads
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  just all around the world, keeping their Jewish roots, keeping their Jewish
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  heritage and trying to stay as faithful as they can, but they're in exile.
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  And then after 2000 years come around, we just see that they're back in the
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  land, you know, and a lot of things could have happened to put them there, but it doesn't matter.
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  Like God made announcements that if you're faithful to your side of the bargain,
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  if you're faithful to your covenant, I will bring you back to the land.
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  And that's what actually happened in 1948.
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  I know other nations could have been a part of it.
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  England, you know, United States or all these things that could have built up
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  to it and putting them there and making it happen, but it doesn't mean that
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  it negates what God does.
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  We don't see God. We can't see God. We can't see angels. We can't see a lot
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  of the things that are out there.
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  But God uses human instruments to accomplish his will.
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  That's what happens in this world. Just because like evil people could be doing
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  something, but it doesn't make it that God's not behind them doing it.
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  And it might even be that Satan's behind people doing things.
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  But behind Satan is God.
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  Satan can only do what God allows him to do.
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  So, but this, like, in 1948, as Israel becoming a nation, I think it is valid
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  because we see that God promised that it would happen.
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  He said that, like, I'm actually going to just, a couple passages,
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  like, Jeremiah 30, verse 3, it says, the Lord declares he will restore Israel
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  and Judah to the land promised to their ancestors.
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  I'm not quoting it, but that's, there's a bunch of passages.
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  Ezekiel 36, 24, Ezekiel 37, 21 through 22, Amos 9, 14 through 15,
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  and Deuteronomy 33 through 5.
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  These were before they even went into the land.
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  Deuteronomy, when we're here at Deuteronomy, that's before they even go into the land of Israel.
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  Moses is writing this, and it's this covenant that if you obey the covenant,
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  like I said, that they would stay in the land. But if they disobeyed,
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  they would go out of the land.
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  But God makes that announcement. You're going to. You're not going to keep it
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  up. You can't keep your side of the bargain up.
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  You can't keep your side of the covenant. It's not really a bargain,
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  but like your side of the covenant.
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  And then they get tossed out of the land. And then we see that they're brought back.
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  God gathers them from all around the world. And then he reestablishes them in 1948. That is...
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  I mean, because we see over and over, people are saying that that is a satanic
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  nation that they've just been created and made themselves, and they've taken
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  the name Israel. No, like, they're Jews.
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  They're trying to be as faithful as possible to their religion,
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  but it's not to say that, like, they don't fail.
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  The Bible shows over and over that Israel repeatedly fails, but,
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  like, it doesn't negate that their relationship with God, their covenant relationship with God.
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  So when they're talking about this, I know, David, it just sounds like this
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  is just very newsy and very just, you know, typical and very just like what people are aware of.
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  They're not because they're not familiar with the text of the Bible,
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  what it says, the prophecies in the Bible.
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  And it kind of just shows like maybe where we're at, like in our time in history
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  that God, after 2000 years, like Israel was just scattered, but now they're
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  brought back into this land to be there.
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  You know, it's, I mean, it could be forever, you know, like,
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  or not forever, but like a long time before we see that Jesus comes back,
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  but it just, it could show that like, that God is moving. He's making things happen.
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  His, the nearness of his return could be right around the corner.
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  So it's like this idea of the Israel is that's not the real nation of Israel is kind of foolishness.
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  If you're really aware, I know just to, just to say that, like.
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  Because they're doing something wrong or they've done something wrong that that
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  doesn't, that removes their validity.
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  It doesn't make sense because even in the Old Testament, we see that there were evil kings.
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  If you go through the history of the kings, it's like there's only one or two
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  that are good, godly kings.
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  They're known for being evil kings. That's like the history of them.
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  And like David was a good king, but he also waged war. He waged war and he had
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  a lot of blood on his hands.
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  He did. And that's why he couldn't build the temple, the first temple.
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  And his son, Solomon, had to build the temple because he had so much blood.
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  He waged so much war, which kind of leads me into my next point I'm going to
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  be talking about with what Pope Francis, not Pope Francis, Pope Leo,
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  the current pope, recently said about kind of taking shots at what.
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  The United States and Israel is doing with the war that is happening in Iran
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  right now, saying God does not hear the prayers of people that are waging war,
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  which is kind of like just a shot at a little bit below the belt.
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  I mean, God gives nations governments and governments are to do things that
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  just personal individuals aren't to do.
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  God has given nations and governments the ability to execute justice,
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  to if someone does something wrong, if someone murders someone,
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  to have them executed. That is actually justice.
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  And so just to like take a shot at like what Donald Trump, and I know he didn't
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  say him specifically, it just, it doesn't align with what scripture says.
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  And I could go in forever about Catholicism because like I struggle with Catholicism a lot.
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  And I'm going to be more vocal about it because of how so many people that are Catholics right now.
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  I'm not saying every Catholic, but a lot of Catholics right now are very much
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  driving this anti-Semitic spirit that is, it is going at Israel.
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  It is going at Jewish people that they are, they are throwing like cause to the wind.
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  They don't care anymore. They're just because they see them.
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  I'm not saying all of them, but if you buy into this full ideology,
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  if you really get wrapped up in it, you see yourself as you are the,
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  the heir apparent, that you are the ones that are God's, like you are the,
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  like the one that he has a covenant with specifically.
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  And he doesn't necessarily have a covenant with Gentiles.
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  He has a covenant with the Jewish people, with Israel, but he grafts Gentiles in through Christ.
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  And so I just, I see this kind of ramping up more and more about that I hadn't
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  seen before, because over and over in my life, I have wanted to become Catholic
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  because I'm drawn to that.
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  The way that they do things, which they are kind of just the inverse,
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  a replica of the Jewish people.
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  They do things in a lot of way that aligns almost like a mirror image of Israel.
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  That's why they have priests.
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  That's why their whole Catholic law is almost like the oral law that the Jews have,
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  which I think that's great that they're doing that, but they're laying claim
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  to things that aren't necessarily given to them.
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  And I think that we need to have our headset right that as Gentiles, we are not Jews.
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  The covenants weren't made with us. Even the new covenant itself is made with
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  the nation of Israel and with the house of Judah. That's what it says.
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  It's not made with the Greeks or the Romans or any other nation out there or
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  the United States. It's made with the Jewish people. But in God's like.
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  Fulfillment of consummating all of human history together. He grafts nations
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  in to be a part of this community of this people.
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  We don't, we don't become Jews, but we get to be like of every nation to celebrate
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  and to be sharing this commonwealth that Israel has.
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  So I think it's no in our place, but, but Pope, I keep saying Pope Francis,
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  Pope Leo, him to take a shot, you know, at, at the United States for what they're doing in Iran.
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  Cause we could go into all that, just war, why we are there, what we're doing.
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  I think I would say this about the war of Iran just quickly,
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  because everybody's saying, is it a good idea that we are at war with Iran right now?
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  And for me personally, and I don't know about you, my answer will be,
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  I will tell you maybe in a couple of years, or I'll tell you a couple of weeks
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  or a couple of months from now. I don't know. And you don't know.
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  Nobody knows exactly if it's the right thing.
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  And if you think you do, you're probably just buying into something.
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  We really don't know if it's a good idea.
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  We don't know if this is going to turn out well or not. We don't know.
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  And only time will tell whether it was a good idea or not.
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  But either way, us being in war with Iran, it is God's hand doing it.
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  Any war that is happening, God's hand is a part of it.
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  And I mean, you could say that God's hand is a part of anything that goes on
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  because everything happens according to his secret decreed of will.
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  Nothing actually happens outside of his will. We think we have free will. We're.
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  God is the one who's directing all of our steps. God is the one who has the
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  king's heart in his hand, has Donald Trump's heart in his hand,
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  and God turns it whichever way he wants.
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  So every ruler that is out there that is making these decisions,
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  we're going to find out whether it was a good decision or not down the road.
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  So I wouldn't buy in too much that it's a good idea because that's the question
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  people are being asked over and over.
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  We just don't know at this point, but we will find out.
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  All right, we'll leave it at that. Have a great day. Have a great week and I'll
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  see y'all in the next one.