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Sharri | 9 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening history in the making as Israel and Hermas
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Speaker 2: are set to sign a peace deal which will see
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Speaker 2: the hostages come home. We'll cross live to Israel with
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Speaker 2: the latest and the deal should be signed this hour,
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Speaker 2: so don't go anywhere. A great news day today, with
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court banning a repeat of the hateful Palestinian
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Speaker 2: protest at the Opera House. The lawyer behind the Jewish
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Speaker 2: group submission would join me live and horrific footage shows
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Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian activist harassing a Jewish academic at the
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Speaker 2: University of Sydney today eating.
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Speaker 3: Anything political injuries what I like.
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Speaker 2: In breaking news, the University of Sydney has now suspended
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Speaker 2: this pro Palestinian academic. I'll show you this exclusive footage
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Speaker 2: in a moment, but first, well, they're finally coming home.
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Speaker 2: It's an announcement that felt like it would never happen,
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Speaker 2: that we'd.
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Speaker 4: Only dreamed of.
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Speaker 2: Twenty living hostages who've been held in underground tunnels in
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Speaker 2: horrific conditions for seven hundred and thirty two days. They're
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Speaker 2: coming home, set to be freed on Monday, American time
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Speaker 2: and historic day today, President Trump announcing that Phase one
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Speaker 2: of the peace deal has been signed or will be
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Speaker 2: signed tonight, has been agreed to by Hermas and Israel.
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Speaker 2: President Trump said this could be the start of peace
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: The whole world came together, to be honest, so many
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Speaker 1: countries that you wouldn't have even thought of it. They
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Speaker 1: came together. The world has come together around this deal.
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Speaker 1: So great for Israel, so great for Muslims, for the
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Speaker 1: Arab countries, and so great for this country more than Gaza.
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Speaker 1: This is peace in the Middle East. It's incredible thing.
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Speaker 2: And in a heartwarming, an emotional moment, here was the
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Speaker 2: President breaking the news to the hostage families that their
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Speaker 2: loved ones would finally be coming home.
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Speaker 1: The hostages will come back.
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Speaker 4: They're coming or coming back on Monday.
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Speaker 2: This is the first phase of Trump's twenty plus point
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Speaker 2: peace plan, which centers on Hamas agreeing to release all
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Speaker 2: the living hostages, believed to be around twenty although we
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Speaker 2: don't know for certain. They will be released in one go,
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Speaker 2: no drips and drabs, and in return, Israel will have
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Speaker 2: to release one thousand, seven hundred Palestinian prisoners, many terrorists,
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Speaker 2: and Israel will also withdraw from heavy populated areas in Gaza,
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Speaker 2: and it'll pull back from the nets Riom corridor, but
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Speaker 2: it will still retain a presence in the crucial Philadelphia corridor.
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Speaker 4: On the border with Egypt.
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Speaker 2: Now, come Monday, there won't be a dry eye to
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Speaker 2: see those poor twenty boys released after two years in
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Speaker 2: underground tunnels in the most terrible conditions known to man.
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Speaker 2: One of those coming home is Alina Gritsuski's boyfriend Matan.
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Speaker 2: They were kidnapped together on October seven, but she was
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Speaker 2: released under an earlier deal.
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Speaker 4: She told me a year ago.
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Speaker 2: How much she ached for Matan to come back to Israel.
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Speaker 5: It's difficult with the empty bed and wake up, and
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Speaker 5: it's the same nature. It's continual, but I wake up
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Speaker 5: strong because if the hostage can survive a you're there
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Speaker 5: and fighting for her life as they need to come
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Speaker 5: to wake up all morning to still fighting for Denn.
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Speaker 5: So they come home.
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Speaker 2: And Israelis were celebrating today the families of hostages remaining
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Speaker 2: cautiously optimistic after being let down so many times by
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Speaker 2: deals that never eventuated, and Palestinians were also celebrating today.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at these scenes from Gaza. Now this
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Speaker 2: is all because of President Donald Trump. He drove this
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Speaker 2: peace plan personally. It's a great triumph for him and
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Speaker 2: for his legacy. This can't be overstated. Trump one individual,
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Speaker 2: the President. Trump himself forced this deal into existence through
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Speaker 2: sheer determination. The players who helped him make this happen
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Speaker 2: Mirco Rubio, Steve Whitcoff, and Jared Kushner. So while Trump
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Speaker 2: is rightly getting the credit he deserves from most sensible
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Speaker 2: people today and he did tweet Blessed be the peacemakers,
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Speaker 2: the credit should also go to Benjamin Netanyahu for this.
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Speaker 2: And here's why, like it or not, this peace deal
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Speaker 2: would never have happened without Israel's strike on the Hamas
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Speaker 2: leadership in Qatar. Nettiyahu indicated he'd go after the Harmas
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Speaker 2: billionaires themselves, even if they're living in Doha. They were
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Speaker 2: no longer safe now after this strike. Qatar complained heavily
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Speaker 2: to Trump, claiming their nation was meant to be protected
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Speaker 2: an immune from Israeli attack, and Trump pledged to protect
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Speaker 2: them in the future. He even signed an executive order
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Speaker 2: that said an attack on Qatar would be treated as
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Speaker 2: an attack on the United States. But this was all
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Speaker 2: predicated on a deal to free the hostages and end
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Speaker 2: the war. Israel has also successfully defeated Hesbalah, destroyed Iran's
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Speaker 2: nuclear program, and has eliminated multiple successions of Hamas leaders.
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Speaker 2: It's also severely weakened their forces, So we have to
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Speaker 2: be clear about the critical role Israel's strength and military
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Speaker 2: strategy over the past two years has played in this,
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Speaker 2: especially its recent decision to target Hamas in its safe
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Speaker 2: haven of Qatar. So this is all what led to
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Speaker 2: the peace deal. Now, the strike gave Katar the incentive
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Speaker 2: to get involved to reach a deal, and it's why Edna,
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Speaker 2: who speaks time and time again about peace through strength
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Speaker 2: and Bibbi had an emotional call with Trump thanking him
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Speaker 2: for his global leadership. But again, Trump was the driving
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Speaker 2: force behind this deal, his personality, his force of nature.
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Speaker 4: He kept in insisting.
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Speaker 2: Publicly that everyone was agreeing to the deal, even though
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Speaker 2: they weren't exactly. But it also shows how pressure could
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Speaker 2: have been brought to bear on Katar and Turkey and
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Speaker 2: others earlier by America and by.
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Speaker 4: The international community.
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Speaker 2: But instead we saw the United Nations too busy pressuring
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Speaker 2: Israel and yet alban easy dared to take some credit
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Speaker 2: for this deal.
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Speaker 6: Throughout this devastating conflict, Australia has consistently been part of
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Speaker 6: the international calls for a ceasefire, for the return of hostages,
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Speaker 6: and for the flow of humanitarian aid to Gaza. We've
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Speaker 6: always acknowledged that the leadership of the United States of America,
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Speaker 6: together with the Arab League, is vital to achieving these goals.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is beyond the pale.
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Speaker 2: The Australian, British, French and other countries kept demanding that
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Speaker 2: Israel withdraw despite her still being in power, and then
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Speaker 2: they recognized a Palestinian state, as if this was the
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Speaker 2: answer to peace. They failed comprehensively to understand that fundamental
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Speaker 2: prerequisites for any deal has always been.
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Speaker 4: The release of the hostages.
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Speaker 2: The war could never end until the kidnapped, starved, and
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Speaker 2: tortured hostages were back home. So Trump's peace plan has
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Speaker 2: happened despite Albanezi, stymer Khni and Macron's efforts to reward
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Speaker 2: the terrorists with statehood before they even released the hostages.
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Speaker 2: And Trump has even vowed that if Hamas didn't accept
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Speaker 2: the deal, they would be obliterated, and he said he
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Speaker 2: backed Israel to continue its military campaign.
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Speaker 4: And this shows that appeasement never works.
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Speaker 2: It didn't work against the Nazis, and it wouldn't work
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Speaker 2: against Humus and their financial backers in the region, and
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Speaker 2: Israel knew this.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: The second phase of the deal would see Hamas demilitarize
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Speaker 2: and then a further withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. Instead,
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Speaker 2: Gaza would be governed by a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee
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Speaker 2: made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, and they'd
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Speaker 2: be oversight by a new board or Committee of Peace,
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Speaker 2: where Trump himself is the chair.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: Trump said today this could finally mean peace in the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. It's a big hope, it's a big ask,
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Speaker 2: but Israelis deserve security, and Palestinians also deserve to live
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Speaker 2: in peace and safety if this comes off, even.
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Speaker 4: If it's just the hostages that are brought back home.
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Speaker 4: America did this.
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Speaker 2: Trump did this, Israel did this, not the UN They
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Speaker 2: did nothing but criticize Israel, not Albanesi, Macrons, Starmer or
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Speaker 2: Khni who did nothing but reward terrorism. This deal and
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Speaker 2: we hope the release of the hostages within days is
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Speaker 2: entirely thanks to President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahoo. Well,
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Speaker 2: it was a good news day today, the best we've
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Speaker 2: had in a long time. Three Supreme Court judges banned
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Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian rally from taking place at the Opera
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Speaker 2: House this Sunday. They said, given the extreme safety risks
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Speaker 2: as outlined by New South Wales Police, it could not
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Speaker 2: proceed at the Opera House, which I only holds six
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Speaker 2: thousand people. On the fore court, the judges ruled that
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Speaker 2: the risk to public safety associated with this public assembly
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Speaker 2: is so significant that it would be irresponsible to allow
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Speaker 2: the public assembly to proceed. South I was Premier Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins welcomed the decision. He also rejected a request to
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Speaker 2: light up the Opera House sales in the Palestinian flag.
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Speaker 8: I think it's the right decision. I'm glad that common
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Speaker 8: sense has prevailed here. We expect all applicants to abide
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Speaker 8: by the Court's decision. I think reasonable people in Sydney
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Speaker 8: would expect the police to uphold this judgment on the weekend.
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Speaker 8: I know that there's been many Palestinian Action Group protests
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Speaker 8: over the last two years, something approaching one hundred during
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Speaker 8: that period of time.
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Speaker 2: Sensible commentary as usual from the premiere. Now this has
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Speaker 2: been treated as some grave injustice by the Palistine Action group,
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Speaker 2: which was carrying on about a genocide outside court and
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Speaker 2: the right to free speech. But this is utter nonsense
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Speaker 2: for two reasons. Well, firstly, they can still protest, there's
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Speaker 2: no free speech issue. They can protest in Hyde Park
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Speaker 2: in Bankstown as they did on Tuesday night on that
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Speaker 2: anniversary of October seven, just not at the Opera House.
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Speaker 2: And secondly, what are they actually protesting?
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Speaker 4: A peace deal has been.
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Speaker 2: Agreed, Palestinians are celebrating in Gaza.
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Speaker 4: Israelis are celebrating, so what are they still protesting? It's ludicrous.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if Palestinians are celebrating in Gaza, then surely
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Speaker 2: the group that claims to represent them should take their
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Speaker 2: queue and be celebrating too. Yet this group still plans
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Speaker 2: to go ahead with their protest on Sunday. It'll just
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Speaker 2: be on George Street, not at the Opera House. And
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Speaker 2: can you imagine this absurd spectacle this weekend? I mean,
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Speaker 2: Israel suspending military operations withdrawing from populated areas in Gaza
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Speaker 2: and these idiotic protesters marching down George Street. The protest
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Speaker 2: has no purpose now with a peace deal about to
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Speaker 2: be signed tonight, its only effect will be to intimidate
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Speaker 2: Australian Jews. Now Sky News reporter can he heatly asked
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Speaker 2: an organizer, Damien Ridgual about this outside the court.
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Speaker 9: If there's a ceasefire in the next forty eight hours,
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Speaker 9: is there still a need.
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Speaker 10: To protest and time, Yes, because this goes beyond just
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Speaker 10: the genocide over the last two years. Obviously, it's important
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Speaker 10: because Israel has only been able to carry out a
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Speaker 10: genocide because they have been armed by countries like Australia
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Speaker 10: and the United States, because of the political support that
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Speaker 10: they've received from those governments. We've seen hundreds of thousands
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Speaker 10: of Polacinians have lost their lives because of that complicity.
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Speaker 10: We need to end the policy of complicity with an
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Speaker 10: apartheid regime, which has been a pressing Palestinian since nineteen
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Speaker 10: forty seven.
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Speaker 2: Quite aside from all of those inaccuracies, he is wrong.
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Speaker 2: This is a time for celebration, not protest. But it
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Speaker 2: shouldn't surprise us because was forty eight hours after the
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Speaker 2: deadly massacre in Israel two years ago. Another Palestinian pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian organizer Josh Lees said this, and that same organizer
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Speaker 2: refused to condemn Hermas in an interview.
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Speaker 11: With two GB Do you view ha MESS as a
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Speaker 11: terrorist organization or a group of freedom fighters?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you want to start with that question.
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Speaker 11: But that doesn't we can get it out of the
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Speaker 11: way if you answer it and can start.
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Speaker 1: That's not where the conversation can start. That's the problem.
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Speaker 7: Then you know we've been obviously.
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Speaker 11: Why don't we just answer. Let's just answer the question
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Speaker 11: and then I'll move on. It's pretty simple. You you've
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Speaker 11: got the power answer the question.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think we should start with the fact that
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Speaker 1: Israel is a terrorist state.
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Speaker 2: Actually, and another Palestine Action Group organizer the time of
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Speaker 2: the Upper House protest, Asalah Sahara, said at the rally
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Speaker 2: two years ago that Hamas had the right to resist.
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Speaker 5: So to anyone who comes out with an argument that
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Speaker 5: says her Mask is a terrorist organizationization, let.
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Speaker 12: Me tell you that internationally recognized that we Palestinians as
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Speaker 12: Hamas have a right to resist.
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Speaker 2: Ethnicle, Well, this is clearly inflammatory support for terror group,
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Speaker 2: but it was even more shocking given it was right
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Speaker 2: after October seven, long before any Israeli response had even started.
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Speaker 2: Now in court, the Jewish groups did make one submission
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Speaker 2: to this case. It essentially argued that they were not
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Speaker 2: opposed to pro Palestinian protests and had not made any
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Speaker 2: similar submissions previously, but they were against this one because
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Speaker 2: the location was traumatizing and the timing was provocative. The
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Speaker 2: Palestine Action Group tried to have this submission from the
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Speaker 2: Jewish groups exclude it from the judges consideration, but they
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Speaker 2: rejected this. The judges said it was a relevant consideration,
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Speaker 2: although it wasn't referenced in the judgment, which focused on
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Speaker 2: physical safety and security. But one journalist outside court asked
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Speaker 2: Damien Ridgewal this very important question, the.
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Speaker 6: Domian A, you missing the point that they're allowing you
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Speaker 6: to demonstrate.
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Speaker 4: It's just not at the opera house with us.
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Speaker 13: It's uncertain.
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Speaker 4: And that's exactly right.
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Speaker 2: No one is stopping free speech, no one is stopping
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Speaker 2: their hateful protests.
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Speaker 4: It's just the.
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Speaker 2: Attempt to take over major landmarks that's so deeply objectionable. Now,
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Speaker 2: I was blown away when I heard from a labor
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Speaker 2: defense minister, the Joel fitzgiven cut straight to the heart
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Speaker 2: of this point.
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Speaker 14: Today, I don't know what they're protesting about now, given
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Speaker 14: we were on the verge of a peace deal in
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Speaker 14: the Middle East. But what they could do, because they're
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Speaker 14: going to insist on protesting on someday regardless of whether
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Speaker 14: they can use the Opera house, what they should be
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Speaker 14: doing now is to use their gathering if they must
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Speaker 14: have one, to put pressure on HMAS to follow through
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Speaker 14: on this piece deal.
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Speaker 2: And when Joel Fitzgibbon was asked about the Australian government's
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Speaker 2: role by Kieran Gilbert, he said in his answer that
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Speaker 2: the recognition of Palestine at the United Nations was premature
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Speaker 2: and even futile, and he spoke strongly about how Jews
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Speaker 2: have a right to feel safe in the city.
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Speaker 14: The right of peaceful process is a key tenant of
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Speaker 14: any democracy, but people are entitled to feel safe. The
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Speaker 14: people who are organizing these events. Not all of those
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Speaker 14: who march will gather, because they vary significantly in their
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Speaker 14: attitudes and their understanding of the issue. But these people
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Speaker 14: who are pushing these protests are extremists themselves. As a community,
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Speaker 14: we need to be sending the message. But while we
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Speaker 14: support peaceful protests, we don't support that sort of extremism
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Speaker 14: on the streets of our capital cities or anywhere else
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Speaker 14: for that matter.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you'd never hear that from Anthony Albanesi or
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke that they're extremists. Such stunning moral clarity from
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Speaker 2: Joel Fitzgibbon. It's a reminder of how the Federal Labor
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Speaker 2: Party used to be a long standing ally of Israel's
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Speaker 2: and the Jewish community. That is, until Penny Wang and
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Speaker 2: Albanesi sees control with a left wing takeover of Caucus,
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Speaker 2: and with it any sense of genuine leadership and the
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Speaker 2: ability to call out the most brutal of terrorism disappeared.
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Speaker 2: Let's cross live to tell Aviv now we're former Israeli
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Speaker 2: government spokesman Ilon Levy joins us, and terrific to see
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Speaker 2: you again, Elon, on such a good news day. And first,
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Speaker 2: can you tell us what's happening this hour?
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Speaker 4: Do you know?
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Speaker 2: If the deal is meant to be signed imminently.
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Speaker 12: There is immense relief in Israel, But the nightmare that
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Speaker 12: began two years ago when Hamas invaded Israel and snatched
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Speaker 12: hostages from their beds from a music festival. That nightmare
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Speaker 12: might be close to an end. Now, look, let's not
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Speaker 12: get our hopes up. The deal now is not a
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Speaker 12: peace deal. It doesn't even end the war. It's a
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Speaker 12: ransom deal. It's a ransom deal that gets the hostages
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Speaker 12: out in exchange for Israel releasing hundreds of convicted terrorists
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Speaker 12: from its jails and redeploying inside Gaza. Today, the Israeli
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Speaker 12: government is meeting. It has one item on its agenda,
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Speaker 12: and that is approving the framework to get all the
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Speaker 12: Israeli hostages out. Israel is hoping that that release could
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Speaker 12: be as early as Sunday.
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Speaker 2: So can you tell us the timeframe for this or
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Speaker 2: the Israeli government, the cabinets meeting now, if they approve
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Speaker 2: approve it, do they have representatives on standby in Egypt
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Speaker 2: to sign the deal.
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Speaker 12: President Trump has said he expects that the release could
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Speaker 12: happen by Monday. The negotiating team has been in Egypt,
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Speaker 12: those intense talks happened overnight, And as soon as the
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Speaker 12: Israeli government approves the deal, then the ceasefire can come
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Speaker 12: into effect and we can make preparations to receive those
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Speaker 12: hostages who have been starved, who have been tortured, who
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Speaker 12: have been abused in the dungeons under Gaza. But you know,
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Speaker 12: this is just phase one of the deal. It doesn't
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Speaker 12: end the war that Hamas began completely. That's going to
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Speaker 12: require President Trump's full plan, including the disarmament of Hamas,
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Speaker 12: the demilitarization of Gaza, the deradicalization of the popular But
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Speaker 12: the genius of President Trump's plan first, you get the
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Speaker 12: hostages out immediately in one go, and then you negotiate
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Speaker 12: the terms of the deal to end the war. It's
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Speaker 12: the first proposal that tells Hamas, no, you don't get
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Speaker 12: to keep the hostages as bargaining chips for better terms
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Speaker 12: to end the war. You have to let them all out.
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Speaker 12: And thank god, the United States put some real pressure
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Speaker 12: in these hostage talks.
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Speaker 2: No exactly, and Trump is rightly getting credit for this today,
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Speaker 2: as he should. But Elon, it also wouldn't have happened
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Speaker 2: without Israel's strength military strategy, taking out majority of Hamas,
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Speaker 2: multiple leaders of Hamas, hezbala Iran, and then of course
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Speaker 2: the strikes on Qatar.
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Speaker 4: What do you think.
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Speaker 12: Israel has been under immense international pressure for the last
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Speaker 12: two years to just pay any ransom and leave Hamas
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Speaker 12: on its feet, to take a partial deal that would
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Speaker 12: get some of the hostages out and would let Hamas
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Speaker 12: keep the rest of them. Has bargaining chips to survive
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Speaker 12: the war that had started. But we're here now with
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Speaker 12: a ransom deal to get the hostages out because Israel
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Speaker 12: put unrelenting military pressure on Hamas, because it killed their
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Speaker 12: entire leadership, because the remaining leaders were scared they were
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Speaker 12: going to get obliterated if they continued fighting, and because
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Speaker 12: of diplomatic pressure, Hamas is more isolated than it has
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Speaker 12: ever been before except for some of those lunatic left
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Speaker 12: protesters on the streets of your city and the UK
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Speaker 12: and New York. Hamas is isolated, and there's pressure on
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Speaker 12: Hamas to say it's game over. This would not have
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Speaker 12: happened if Israel had not pushed ahead with its military
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Speaker 12: plan to dismantle Hamas's terrorist army so it cannot threaten
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Speaker 12: another October seventh massacre and take more hostages in the future.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Illin Lavy, thank you so much for joining us.
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Speaker 8: Thank you.
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Speaker 4: Sure's historic day, all right.
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Speaker 2: For more on this peace deal, I'm sure. Owned by
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Speaker 2: former Ambassador to Israel Dave Sharma and former Victorian Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party president Michael Kroger.
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Speaker 4: Dave, starting with you, what's your reaction.
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Speaker 2: To alban Ezi trying to claim some credit for this today.
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Speaker 9: It's completely ludicrous, Cherry Anthony. Albernezi sidelined Australia from any
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Speaker 9: position of relevance. He's downgraded and damaged our relationship with Israel.
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Speaker 9: Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State, talked about how
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Speaker 9: initiatives like Australia's had disrupted peace negotiations. Donald Trump called
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Speaker 9: it disappointing. I mean, the idea that we had any
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Speaker 9: role to play in this whatsoever, is just complete. You know,
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Speaker 9: it's the product of a very fertile imagination. That's all
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Speaker 9: I can say.
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Speaker 4: I like the way you put that, Michael.
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Speaker 2: This is a win, of course for Trump and Di Yahoo,
23:54
Speaker 2: and it comes despite Albanesi, starmer Kanne and others.
24:03
Speaker 15: Well, they've embarrassed themselves and just echo what Dave Sharmas
24:06
Speaker 15: just said. He's absolutely right. Look, Shari, let's call a
24:09
Speaker 15: spade a spade here. What happened today. I know we're tiptoeing.
24:14
Speaker 15: It's baby steps, but it's.
24:16
Speaker 13: Going to get there.
24:16
Speaker 15: One way there there, It'll be two steps forward, one
24:18
Speaker 15: step back. In the next few months. But let's be
24:21
Speaker 15: freak about what's happened here. The attempt by the Palestinian
24:26
Speaker 15: savages organization known as Hamas to destroy the Jewish State
24:31
Speaker 15: of Israel has failed. Hamas have been defeated. The Jewish
24:36
Speaker 15: State of Israel have prevailed, and that has a lot
24:40
Speaker 15: to do with Trump bombing the Iranian nuclear facilities. This
24:44
Speaker 15: would never have happened without Trump doing that, without the
24:47
Speaker 15: Israelis taking out Hesbalah, defeating the Iranians in their short
24:53
Speaker 15: lived war some months back, and if they can be
24:56
Speaker 15: bothered their attacks on the hooties. This has come about
25:00
Speaker 15: through strength. And what's happened today is civilization has defeated barbarism.
25:06
Speaker 15: That's what's happened. And these these humans scum parading as
25:11
Speaker 15: heroes of Palestine. No no Arab nations support these people anymore.
25:16
Speaker 15: Only Iran. The Jordanians don't like Hamas, nor the Egyptians,
25:20
Speaker 15: the Turks, the Pakistanis, the Indonesians, the Kwajis, the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, Sudan,
25:29
Speaker 15: none of the abraham Court countries. No one supporting these
25:32
Speaker 15: savages any longer. And that's what's happened. The Jewish state
25:35
Speaker 15: has won the war, and let's be frank, that's what
25:37
Speaker 15: happened today.
25:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's why Israel's role in taking on
25:41
Speaker 2: has balan Iran and cutting off the financial support was
25:45
Speaker 2: so required it.
25:46
Speaker 4: Dave, I'm really keen for your view.
25:48
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got more expertise really than anyone on
25:51
Speaker 2: this because as ambassador you dealt face to face with
25:55
Speaker 2: the Palestinians as well. What confidence do you have that
25:59
Speaker 2: there that the president will be able to find an
26:03
Speaker 2: independent committee to govern Gaza.
26:10
Speaker 9: I think if her mask has gone from the scene
26:13
Speaker 9: and Arab states, neighboring states have strong confidence that the
26:19
Speaker 9: US is invested in this process. And I think it's
26:21
Speaker 9: pretty clear that President Trump is invested in this process.
26:25
Speaker 9: His senior officials are there in Egypt right now, he's
26:27
Speaker 9: talking about visiting. Then there will be the ability and
26:31
Speaker 9: the willingness on behalf of neighboring Arab states, Egypt, Jordan,
26:36
Speaker 9: the UAE, potentially the Saudi is to make a contribution
26:41
Speaker 9: to Gaza, whether it's through reconstruction efforts or whether it's
26:44
Speaker 9: through security efforts, putting in some sort of light security
26:49
Speaker 9: force to guarantee law and order. I think they've been
26:51
Speaker 9: wanting to make sure that her mask has gone from
26:54
Speaker 9: the scenes and the wars stopped before they take on
26:56
Speaker 9: those responsibilities. But I think there's a good chance of
26:59
Speaker 9: it happening now.
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Speaker 2: Michael, what do you think about the plan in the
27:04
Speaker 2: context of history, Because there were a lot of American
27:07
Speaker 2: presidents who tried to deliver peace in the Middle East.
27:10
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton told me himself it.
27:12
Speaker 2: Was his biggest regret from his presidency that he couldn't
27:15
Speaker 2: make Camp David deal happen. So we're a long way off.
27:20
Speaker 2: But if Child can deliver.
27:21
Speaker 15: This, no, it's an extraordinary achievement by Trump, utterly extraordinary.
27:29
Speaker 15: I mean, like you, I've discussed with Bill Clinton when
27:32
Speaker 15: he was here in two thousand and one, the failure
27:34
Speaker 15: of his peace deal with Arafat in December two thousand
27:36
Speaker 15: and January two thousand and one, when he couldn't get
27:38
Speaker 15: Arafat to sign, and his conclusion was that Arafat didn't
27:41
Speaker 15: actually want peace in the end. These people in the
27:44
Speaker 15: Middle East they respect strength, you know. I know that
27:47
Speaker 15: sounds pretty corny, but that's the way they roll there.
27:50
Speaker 15: Trump's role in this has been pivotable, pivotal. Just imagine
27:55
Speaker 15: how things would be going if Kamala Harris was the
27:58
Speaker 15: president of the United States. Just just imagine that Iran
28:01
Speaker 15: would still have nuclear facilities hesbla would still be going strong.
28:06
Speaker 15: So with the hootings blah blah blah. And if we
28:08
Speaker 15: listen to Penny Wong, who on the eighth of October
28:11
Speaker 15: twenty twenty three called on the Jewish state of Israel
28:15
Speaker 15: to exercise restraint, That's what Penny Wong said to the Jews.
28:19
Speaker 15: You should be restrained. You know they've beheaded, They've beheaded, raped, murdered,
28:24
Speaker 15: garrotted seven limbs. We know what they did to women.
28:29
Speaker 15: I've seen the video which will never get out of
28:32
Speaker 15: my mind. Penny said, let's let you people in Israel
28:37
Speaker 15: just be restrained. In your response, well, Penny, shame on you.
28:40
Speaker 15: You are a fing You and Albanezi our figures in
28:42
Speaker 15: history will be long, long in the dust. Donald Trump,
28:47
Speaker 15: this is a soaring achievement by Trump, And for whatever
28:50
Speaker 15: faults he's got, this is an extraordinary achievement by him
28:53
Speaker 15: and would have only has only come about because of
28:55
Speaker 15: his strength. The twenty seven minutes American force spent in
29:02
Speaker 15: over the skies of Iran, not a scratch on the
29:05
Speaker 15: arm of any any pilot twenty seven minutes they were
29:08
Speaker 15: there and this has come about.
29:12
Speaker 2: Because of that, exactly, Dave, just very quickly before we go,
29:16
Speaker 2: the pro Palestinian protest won't be at the Opera House,
29:19
Speaker 2: but it will still go ahead on George Street in
29:21
Speaker 2: the middle of the city in Sydney this weekend. Are
29:24
Speaker 2: you worried this is a sign that even if there's
29:27
Speaker 2: peace in the Middle East, the problems, the anti Samitism
29:31
Speaker 2: will still continue in Australia.
29:35
Speaker 1: I am.
29:35
Speaker 9: I mean, look, I have to ask myself what are
29:37
Speaker 9: these people protesting about. There's a ceasefire, Hostages are going
29:41
Speaker 9: to be released, there's going to be no more fighting
29:43
Speaker 9: in Gaza, and humanitarian aid is going to be increased.
29:46
Speaker 9: But these people still want to protest against Israel I
29:49
Speaker 9: presume in favor of radicalislam mist organizations like com US.
29:54
Speaker 9: No doubt they will demonize Jewish people again. And you know,
29:57
Speaker 9: I think what has happened in Australia is we've allowed
30:00
Speaker 9: anti Semitism to become normalized over the last two years
30:03
Speaker 9: and that's a gross father of our political leadership and
30:07
Speaker 9: our law enforcement as well.
30:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely agree with that, Dave, Sharma, Michael Kreger, thank
30:12
Speaker 2: you both so much. Now still to come, Cameron Milner
30:15
Speaker 2: and Matt Canavan will join me after the herald of
30:19
Speaker 2: Channel nine Councils Justin Hems and shocking footage of a
30:23
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian activist harassing a Jewish academic at the University
30:27
Speaker 2: of Sydney today.
30:29
Speaker 11: Look at the parents you're in parent.
30:35
Speaker 4: Now suspended.
30:36
Speaker 2: I'll show you those awful scenes after the break. Now
30:43
Speaker 2: it's hard to overstate just how disturbing this footage is.
30:48
Speaker 2: Jewish Australians being targeted on university campus whilst celebrating their faith.
30:54
Speaker 2: A pro Palestinian activist has been filmed hurling vile abuse
30:58
Speaker 2: at a Jewish academic and students who had gathered to
31:02
Speaker 2: celebrate Succot, a Jewish holiday. She calls them filthy Zionists
31:07
Speaker 2: have a look saying.
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Speaker 12: Anything political or just existing.
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Speaker 14: With Jewish water.
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Speaker 2: I like you, can you tell me who I am?
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Speaker 4: Insist you.
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Speaker 2: I have no problem with you, whether they are Jewish,
31:23
Speaker 2: whether they are Christian, whether they are most time Zionist
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Speaker 2: is the lowest form of rubbish Christians, the most disgusting
31:34
Speaker 2: thing that.
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Speaker 4: I never wanted.
31:38
Speaker 2: Parent, SI, you're in parent, Si, excuse, why are.
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Speaker 1: You why? Because of what.
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Speaker 6: Club you am?
31:53
Speaker 4: The rast am I only thing?
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Speaker 2: Interns Paris are the genus.
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Speaker 12: Line.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 2: We approach the University of Sydney for comment this afternoon
32:13
Speaker 2: and they said this in response. We're disturbed and appalled
32:17
Speaker 2: by the vision that depicts verbal abuse and harassment on campus.
32:21
Speaker 2: Such conduct is utterly unacceptable and we're taking immediate action
32:25
Speaker 2: under our codes of conduct, including suspending a staff member
32:29
Speaker 2: involved pending further assessment. So that woman hurling the abuse
32:34
Speaker 2: was a University of Sydney academic, now suspend it. The
32:38
Speaker 2: Executive Council of Australian Juries Head of Legal Simone Abel
32:42
Speaker 2: joins me. Now, Simone, thank you for your time. You've
32:45
Speaker 2: now reported this to New South Wales Police. I want
32:48
Speaker 2: to ask you what's your reaction to seeing those sort
32:52
Speaker 2: of scenes, Sharry.
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Speaker 16: It's always horrific. Unfortunately, we see these so frequently and
33:01
Speaker 16: have seen them over the course of the last two years.
33:05
Speaker 16: You know, the intensity of it, the violence and the
33:08
Speaker 16: words and the behavior, and it's got to the point
33:12
Speaker 16: now where as shocking as it is, it's become almost normal.
33:17
Speaker 16: Just the other day I was at the University of
33:19
Speaker 16: Sydney and I walked around the campus. I saw Taliban
33:23
Speaker 16: flags next to Palestinian flags, and you know, it's hard
33:28
Speaker 16: to escape this kind of environment of escalating terror and abuse.
33:32
Speaker 16: It's very threatening to Jewish people.
33:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just awful to see and we hope the
33:37
Speaker 2: New Southeist Police investigate and good to see that university
33:40
Speaker 2: has taken some action this afternoon. Now, I also want
33:43
Speaker 2: to ask you about the court's decision today the Supreme
33:46
Speaker 2: Court on banning the protests of the Opera House.
33:49
Speaker 4: Now, that was of.
33:50
Speaker 2: Course very welcome. I was surprised to see the judgment
33:53
Speaker 2: focus on physical safety. What did the Jewish community in
33:58
Speaker 2: their submission argue to the.
34:03
Speaker 16: So actually, I think we're really pleased with the way
34:06
Speaker 16: that the court approached this because it should have been
34:10
Speaker 16: always a focus on public safety. That is of paramount
34:15
Speaker 16: concern and I think, you know, one of the things
34:18
Speaker 16: that we've seen that's fallen by the wayside over the
34:20
Speaker 16: last couple of years with these many hundreds of protests,
34:24
Speaker 16: has actually been a prioritization of public safety. And as
34:29
Speaker 16: the Executive Council of Australian Jury, together with the New
34:33
Speaker 16: South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies. We both submitted an
34:37
Speaker 16: affidavit in which we argued that the location and the
34:41
Speaker 16: timing of the protest were problematic. So, of course we're
34:44
Speaker 16: not opposed to protests, they're part and parcel of living
34:47
Speaker 16: in a democracy. But on this occasion, the timing being
34:53
Speaker 16: the second anniversary of the larger scale massacre of Jewish
34:58
Speaker 16: people since the Holocaust was utterly insensitive and inappropriate. And
35:03
Speaker 16: then also, of course the location the scene of the
35:06
Speaker 16: crime two years ago. You know, we've all seen the
35:09
Speaker 16: horrific footage where protesters lip flares, burnt the Israeli flag,
35:14
Speaker 16: shouted where's the Jews? If the Jews? It was horrific
35:19
Speaker 16: and it caused our community a lot of trauma. And
35:22
Speaker 16: it happened at the Opera House, and it happened at
35:24
Speaker 16: the Opera House because that is a national icon, and
35:28
Speaker 16: we just felt that we could not have a repeat
35:31
Speaker 16: of the events on the October the ninth two years ago.
35:36
Speaker 2: Look, as a lawyer, as head of legal at one
35:38
Speaker 2: of the peak Jewish groups, you've been trying to navigate these.
35:42
Speaker 4: Sort of areas.
35:44
Speaker 2: Do you think we need new laws to deal with
35:47
Speaker 2: the level of hatred and the support for terrorism on
35:50
Speaker 2: our streets.
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Speaker 16: I think really what's happened over the last two years
35:56
Speaker 16: has been quite unprecedented. I mean we've seen anti Semitic
36:00
Speaker 16: incidents rocket in a way that they never previously had before.
36:05
Speaker 16: So my organization, the Executive Council of Australian Jury, has
36:08
Speaker 16: been recording anti Semitic incidents now for thirty five years
36:12
Speaker 16: and providing reports to government and other stakeholders. We've seen
36:16
Speaker 16: an increase from October to December of twenty twenty three,
36:21
Speaker 16: after you know, the attacks in southern Israel by a
36:24
Speaker 16: terrorist organization come US. We had a seven hundred and
36:27
Speaker 16: thirty eight percent increase in anti Semitic incidents over the
36:30
Speaker 16: two month period, and then following that we had over
36:33
Speaker 16: three hundred percent increase in the reporting period for that year.
36:38
Speaker 16: And I think you know what that speaks to is
36:40
Speaker 16: that we're in a you know, uncharted territory here in
36:44
Speaker 16: terms of what's happening on our streets, and we need
36:47
Speaker 16: to address that. Now. We have laws, of course, but
36:50
Speaker 16: we need those laws to be enforced and we also
36:52
Speaker 16: need some additional protection. So, for example, the piece of legislation,
36:56
Speaker 16: the Summary Offenses Act, that was you know, which the
37:00
Speaker 16: case was brought under. Today, I think what we would
37:03
Speaker 16: like to see is we would like to see that
37:06
Speaker 16: piece of legislation slightly tweaked because basically, at the moment
37:10
Speaker 16: you have a situation where if protest groups decide not
37:13
Speaker 16: to seek the permission of the Commission of Police for
37:17
Speaker 16: their public assembly, then you know, the police are a
37:21
Speaker 16: little bit powerless to restrain that. And we would like
37:24
Speaker 16: to see the police in a position where if they get,
37:27
Speaker 16: if they get notice of a protest that they think
37:29
Speaker 16: is going to contravene the law in somewhere, they should
37:33
Speaker 16: have the ability to actually prevent that and apply to.
37:36
Speaker 4: The court for a probition order.
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Speaker 2: So sensible and important, all right, simonon Able, thank you
37:41
Speaker 2: so much, and congratulations on well you're on the new
37:45
Speaker 2: southeas police win today. Right still to come, Israeli businessmany
37:48
Speaker 2: Our Woldman joins us two years after his daughter was
37:51
Speaker 2: murdered at the Nova Music Festival and nine councils justin
37:55
Speaker 2: Hem's brilliant restaurants from its Good Food Guide. Cameron Milner
37:59
Speaker 2: and Matt are up next.
38:05
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
38:05
Speaker 2: We're still a way to news out of Israel and Cairo.
38:08
Speaker 2: The moment we do, we'll bring it to you life.
38:11
Speaker 2: But let's bring in now former chief of staff to
38:14
Speaker 2: Bill Shotton, Cameron Milner and National Senator Matt Canavan. Matt
38:19
Speaker 2: the Australian in the paper today coined a new term.
38:22
Speaker 2: They're calling Chris Bowen Chris Information, the Minister for Chris Information,
38:27
Speaker 2: this after he misrepresented the maths behind the renewables rollout.
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Speaker 13: Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
38:37
Speaker 13: Chris has been out there climbing. Everybody else is engaged
38:41
Speaker 13: in disinformation. Often it is the people making these sort
38:44
Speaker 13: of accusations of themselves engaging in the same sins, and
38:49
Speaker 13: so Chris has been has been caught red handed here
38:52
Speaker 13: really seemingly mixing up New South Wales figures with national figures.
38:57
Speaker 13: The question that was asked to Chris in the Parliament
38:59
Speaker 13: today is the relevant one. Where's your map? Why doesn't
39:02
Speaker 13: the federal government have a map that's transparently publicly available
39:07
Speaker 13: about all of the areas that are going to be
39:09
Speaker 13: covered by solar panels or wind. You can go into
39:12
Speaker 13: every state government's website and see where there are oil leases,
39:14
Speaker 13: where there are gas leases, where there are coal mining leases.
39:17
Speaker 13: They have wonderful transparent maps available. Why hasn't the federal
39:20
Speaker 13: government done this for its massive renewables rollout.
39:25
Speaker 4: That's so true, Cameron.
39:27
Speaker 2: You've written your column this week on anti semitism the
39:30
Speaker 2: federal government's response to it. I played a clip I
39:33
Speaker 2: don't know if you saw it of Joel Fitzgibbon earlier
39:35
Speaker 2: in the show, and it was yet another reminder how
39:38
Speaker 2: much the labor parties.
39:40
Speaker 3: Changed olic I agree Shari, and I think the whole
39:44
Speaker 3: nation's changed in the last two years. I'm to have
39:46
Speaker 3: absolute respect for the fact we're about to have peace
39:48
Speaker 3: breakout in the Middle East, which is fantastic, amazing, But
39:52
Speaker 3: let's reflects the nation about how far we've changed in
39:55
Speaker 3: the last two years, Shari, and anti Semitism is absolutely
39:58
Speaker 3: outbreaksolutely outbreak of eighty seventies on elbows watch, and where's
40:02
Speaker 3: a nation have to reflect on that as much as
40:04
Speaker 3: we reflect on hopefully peace breaking out in the Middle.
40:06
Speaker 4: East as well.
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Speaker 1: Well.
40:08
Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean Albinize trying to claim some credit for
40:11
Speaker 2: this peace deal.
40:11
Speaker 4: The only thing he can claim credit.
40:13
Speaker 2: For is overseeing the rise in anti Semitism here in Australia.
40:17
Speaker 2: We've seen all the Trump haters finding it very hard
40:20
Speaker 2: to give Trump proper credit for this deal.
40:25
Speaker 13: Well, I think what it shows, Shari is that those
40:28
Speaker 13: going to most of those, not everybody, but most of
40:31
Speaker 13: those going to these Free Palestine protests actually want the
40:34
Speaker 13: conflict to continue, not peace, because they're still protesting even
40:38
Speaker 13: as peace breaks out. They're still doing protests. And now
40:42
Speaker 13: the question is best, what are they exactly protesting about?
40:45
Speaker 13: Some of them? Of course, some of them actually want
40:47
Speaker 13: to see Israel wiped off the map and therefore hardly
40:52
Speaker 13: wanting peace. They want more conflict in the Middle East.
40:54
Speaker 13: So let's hope this peace deal holds because there's too
40:57
Speaker 13: many people have died over the past too No so true.
41:02
Speaker 4: Now I want to turn to this most bizarre story.
41:05
Speaker 5: Now.
41:05
Speaker 2: Nine Publication and sixty Minutes ran a series of stories
41:09
Speaker 2: making allegations about James's Justin Hams's restaurants, workplace allegations. There
41:15
Speaker 2: were just allegations, nothing's proven, and Justin Ham's also commissioned
41:20
Speaker 2: an sc to conduct an investigation. But now the Good
41:24
Speaker 2: Food Guide, which is owned by Nine, has counseled him
41:28
Speaker 2: dropped his restaurants from their addition, I mean, Cameron, isn't
41:32
Speaker 2: this a case also of the pot calling the kettle
41:33
Speaker 2: black given nine serious allegations over sexual harassment at their workplace.
41:40
Speaker 3: Well, I think everyone's going to be careful that. But
41:41
Speaker 3: I think Justin's got an issue here. I mean, he
41:43
Speaker 3: might have got a friendly sc but the reality is that,
41:46
Speaker 3: you know, what happens to the front of house has
41:47
Speaker 3: got to match the back of the house. I mean,
41:49
Speaker 3: he can't have a great menu of food for the
41:52
Speaker 3: people at the front and then allegedly staff on the
41:55
Speaker 3: menu for VIPs. I mean, that's appalling, and so he's
41:58
Speaker 3: got to clean up his act if he wants to
41:59
Speaker 3: be in a Good Food Guide or even be in
42:01
Speaker 3: a Good Boss Guide.
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Speaker 2: Matt shouldn't the industry standards, though, be enforced by courts
42:07
Speaker 2: and regulators, not media companies who own the guidebook and
42:11
Speaker 2: have made the same allegations when they have problems internally themselves.
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Speaker 13: Look like, I don't know anything about these allegations, so myself,
42:21
Speaker 13: I don't even know I've been. If I've ever been
42:23
Speaker 13: to one of these restaurants, I'm sure they're great. Look,
42:26
Speaker 13: I just, I just I think your point is pertinent,
42:31
Speaker 13: though Shari. People in glasshouses should probably be careful about
42:35
Speaker 13: throwing stones.
42:36
Speaker 2: Have you seriously not been to a Justin Ham's restaurant?
42:39
Speaker 13: How that possible, Matt, I could take into some great
42:42
Speaker 13: places up here in central much more, much more at
42:46
Speaker 13: home at Piali in you Sefros have got a great
42:49
Speaker 13: barbecue restaurant. Just open, come up to your panel. I'll
42:52
Speaker 13: share a good time.
42:53
Speaker 2: I think last time you came to Sydney, we went
42:55
Speaker 2: you and I went to Bill's in Double Bay. Next
42:58
Speaker 2: time you come, very Joe in Bondyk all right.
43:04
Speaker 13: Okay, look forward to it.
43:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, Kara Milna, Matt Canavan, thank you
43:09
Speaker 2: both so much for your time and.
43:11
Speaker 4: Still to come. E L.
43:12
Speaker 2: Woldman a businessman, a billionaire, a father who lost his
43:16
Speaker 2: daughter in the Nova Music Festival, and he joins us life.
43:24
Speaker 2: On October seven, twenty twenty three, Daniel Waldman was having
43:28
Speaker 2: the time of her life at the Nova Music Festival,
43:32
Speaker 2: that is until the twenty four year old was gone
43:34
Speaker 2: down in a car trying to escape the terrorists. Her father,
43:39
Speaker 2: Israeli businessman E. L. Waldman, joins me. Now, E L,
43:44
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Now I first interviewed you
43:46
Speaker 2: shortly after the attacker, maybe a couple of weeks two
43:49
Speaker 2: years ago.
43:50
Speaker 4: How are you doing two years on?
43:54
Speaker 7: Well, obviously, personally it's very difficult. The loss is amazing,
43:58
Speaker 7: and we missed Danielle and Noam and other people that
44:03
Speaker 7: have gone in October seventh. But we look into the future,
44:09
Speaker 7: we look forward, and today is a very significant day.
44:12
Speaker 7: It's a very important day. We think this is the
44:16
Speaker 7: embankment of a new period of time, a new world
44:19
Speaker 7: where we hope to get all of the hostages back
44:21
Speaker 7: home and this war and this you know, suffering from
44:27
Speaker 7: both sides and be able to go and build a
44:29
Speaker 7: new Middle East and a new world here.
44:32
Speaker 2: Now, you've had a lifelong interest in pace between Israelis
44:37
Speaker 2: and Palestinians. What are your impressions of the detail of
44:41
Speaker 2: Trump's pace plan and how it differs from others.
44:46
Speaker 7: You know, I think the most important thing here is
44:48
Speaker 7: that Trump and his team is forcing this still on
44:52
Speaker 7: both sides. So Trump has been able to gather all
44:57
Speaker 7: of the Arab countries, all of the Arab countries to
45:01
Speaker 7: support his deal and then putting a lot of pressure
45:03
Speaker 7: on Hamas to accept this deal. They cannot not accept
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Speaker 7: Trump's deal, the same thing Trump is doing on our government.
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Speaker 7: On Bibi says, this is the deal. You have to
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Speaker 7: sign here and here and here, And I think both
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Speaker 7: sides are being put in a box which is a great,
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Speaker 7: great achievement. And this still has been signed. And now
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Speaker 7: we hope to be executed, and I think it will
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Speaker 7: end this horrible war and we'll go to the next
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Speaker 7: stage of building bridges, building, you know, the future for
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Speaker 7: both people in the Middle East, in this area.
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Speaker 2: Do you still believe a two state solution is possible?
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Speaker 7: You know it is I believe the only solution for
45:45
Speaker 7: the Palestine and Israeli solution. If you remember, in nineteen
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Speaker 7: seventy three, we had a war at Ayomkipur War where
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Speaker 7: the number one enemy for Israel was Egypt, and no
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Speaker 7: one has believed that we will be able to do
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Speaker 7: peace with Egypt with our number one enemy. Four years later,
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Speaker 7: in ninety seven, one guy Sadad, which the Egyptians did
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Speaker 7: not support, in the Israelis did not trust, is asked
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Speaker 7: to come and talk to our parliament, to the Knesset begging.
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Speaker 7: Our Prime minister was smart enough to invite him to
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Speaker 7: the parliament and those two guys have done peace, just
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Speaker 7: two people between the worst enemies of Film Kippur of
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Speaker 7: nineteen seventy three war. Well, that shows that I hope
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Speaker 7: now this crisis that we're in, which is an huge,
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Speaker 7: huge crisis, is also an opportunity. It's an opportunity to
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Speaker 7: change the leaders on both sides and have leaders that
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Speaker 7: are brave enough, courage is enough, and smart enough to
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Speaker 7: lead the two people to build a solution for both
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Speaker 7: people to live in this area and peace and continue
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Speaker 7: into the future. So we need to do this, and
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Speaker 7: I believe that the only solution will be a two
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Speaker 7: state solution for the Palestine in Israeli side by side,
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Speaker 7: with a lot of synergy between them on the business
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Speaker 7: side on agriculture, and a lot a lot of you know, aspects,
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Speaker 7: a lot of synerghy between the Palestinian and the Israeli states.
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Speaker 2: This won't be able to happen the vision of two
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Speaker 2: states while Hamas remains militarized, will it.
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Speaker 7: Tamas says to go, Hamas says to be eliminated, the
47:24
Speaker 7: same as al Kaida, the same as isis, the same
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Speaker 7: as the Nazis. Hamas cannot exist any longer and we
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Speaker 7: will make sure that Hamas is gone. But Palestinians and
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Speaker 7: other leaderships, we hope to put new leadership for the Palestinia,
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Speaker 7: and not just in Gaza. I believe also the PA
47:42
Speaker 7: should have renewed leadership for the Palestinian Authority, the same
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Speaker 7: as I believe we need to change the leadership here
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Speaker 7: in Israel.
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Speaker 1: And I hope.
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Speaker 7: Those two leadership will be able to bring us to
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Speaker 7: a great future between the two people, because I believe
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Speaker 7: we can do this.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible to hear you speak this way, given what
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Speaker 2: you went through on October seven. You know we've only
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Speaker 2: got a couple of minutes left, but can you tell
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Speaker 2: us just in that time, how you pinged your daughter's
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Speaker 2: phone went to find her at the music festival site.
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Speaker 7: I came back only on October nine. If I was
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Speaker 7: here in October seven, I would have gone down, and
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Speaker 7: I believe that may would have found her alive, because
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Speaker 7: I believe she was wounded and unfortunately stayed there for
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Speaker 7: some time. But yeah, I had from the SOS called
48:36
Speaker 7: from our phone a text message for our location. The
48:39
Speaker 7: car drove down. There was still fighting around us. Some
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Speaker 7: of our units had got losses while we were there.
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Speaker 7: And we've seen bodies of both theorists and some other
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Speaker 7: We found the car. The bodies were already taken out
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Speaker 7: on Sunday morning, and we found the car, We found
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Speaker 7: the belongings, and it was very difficult to see this.
49:07
Speaker 7: We still did not know yet what happened to Danielle
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Speaker 7: and no on because we're not sure if they're still
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Speaker 7: hiding or were kidnapped or were killed. There were no identification.
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Speaker 7: Only three days later the two bodies of Danielle and
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Speaker 7: now were identified and we were noticed and buried them together.
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Speaker 2: But I think it's it's, of course the saddest but
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Speaker 2: just the most remarkable thing that you, as a dad,
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Speaker 2: you went there, you tracked her phone.
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Speaker 4: You went and found her remains, and you.
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Speaker 2: Know, you went and collected her and you brought her
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Speaker 2: home even while there was so much danger around you.
49:43
Speaker 2: You know, it's always touched me since we first spoken,
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Speaker 2: and you know, Danielle was hoping to get married to
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Speaker 2: her boyfriend in the future.
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Speaker 4: And just what you've dealt with as.
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Speaker 2: A family, the grief, it's beyond and I really appreciate
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Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 4: Eal. Thank you so much much for being with us.
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Speaker 7: Thank you very much, really hope it's going to happen,
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Speaker 7: and we hope there will be no more feelings on
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Speaker 7: both sides and a relief to all the suffering on
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Speaker 7: both sides.
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, hope.
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Speaker 2: For nothing more about peace. All right, that's what we've
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Speaker 2: got time for. I'll see you Monday at eight. Here's
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Speaker 2: Paul Mary