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"Three Steps Back" episode 194 · DMV Mess Hall

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Hi folks, this is Rick Doc. Walker the DOC this.
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Is John Kime and you're listening to the mess hall with
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Rally Captain and Tailgate 10. What's up Rally?
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I'd ask how you're doing man, but you were there in person so
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I can't imagine it's good. How about this warmer?
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Hey, man, that Minnesota cold hits you differently than
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doggone DMV cold. And I had AI had a guy who came
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on the trip from Detroit and I was like, hey, man, you know, is
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this cold to you? You know, because Detroit is
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right at the Great Lakes, you know, Lake MI, the water comes
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right out there. He was like, Nah, bro, it's
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cold. And I said, OK, so if somebody
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from Detroit lets you know that it's cold, then it's cold.
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Yeah, but it was Smoot was on with B, Mitch and Finley today
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talking about it. And I almost forgot that Fred
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used to play up there. So they asked him, how did you
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handle it, man? I don't know how I forgot about
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that. You know, the whole Love Boat
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and everything else. But like, he asked him how did
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you handle it? And he says, I guess your blood
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has a chance to thicken when you're up there.
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And this is Fred. So I don't know if any of this
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is a fact or this is Fred just pulling stuff out of his butt,
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but he said that the guys weren't there long enough.
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You guys weren't there long enough for your body to kind of
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climatize to it. And I'm sorry, there's no way
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you could pay me to be there long enough, JP said during the
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game. At the beginning they were
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dropping fake snow through the stadium.
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I didn't see that even though I got there pretty early.
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But I will say there's there's something to say with what Fred
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is saying. As far as I don't know about it
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if it's thick blood or not, but I think your body just gets
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accustomed to it because I worked outside for I'd say it
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for the better or maybe 9 to 10 years.
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And what's cold to some people isn't cold to me.
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Now, what was cold in Minnesota? It was, it was cold.
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But I will say that based upon what I was able to my prior, my
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previous experiences being in the cold, I knew how to say, OK,
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yeah, it's cold, but I can deal with it.
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That makes sense. Versus some people are just
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like, Oh my God, it's so cold. The world's going to come to an
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end. I just got to get inside, you
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know, so, so I, I, I knew there was going to be cold.
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So mentally, I guess I just dealt with it a little bit
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better because the people on my trip, I told him there's two
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points that you're going to be cold.
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The first one is waiting for the metro rail to pick us up because
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it can come from anywhere between 9 and 15 minutes.
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So you're going to be you're going to be standing out in the
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cold, I said. The second is after the game
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once again, 10, 10, right, 10 to 15 minutes, 10 to 20 minutes
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waiting on the train. And so I said, so just prepare
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yourself for that time and you'll be OK.
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Because otherwise, I mean, you're inside or you're, you're,
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you're going into a warm car. So that realistically you're not
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going to be out there just in the cold.
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And, and before anybody asked, no, I did not tailgate.
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I got off of the train and took my yellow butt inside of the
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stadium. I was actually wondering before
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we get into the game though, we got some stuff we got to we got
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to chat about and we put out the bad signal to our listeners and
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they definitely answer the call. You guys responded.
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The video got seen 100,000 times and all the different socials
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and you guys were some people were trying to copy me on their
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emails to ticket reps and you don't need to do that.
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Trust me. They already know that we're the
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ones that asked you to reach out.
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Because I can see that they looked at it and I know that
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they heard the video and I got back to him and I don't know if
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anything's going to come from this.
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I'm not too sure what's going to happen, but all I know is we
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have to at least try, right? If nothing happens and we didn't
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do anything, then shame on us. If nothing happens but we did do
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something, then shame on them, right?
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And I actually sent a letter I got from the Colts to X, and you
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guys forwarded that to your reps Once the Colts figured out where
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they were playing in January, then they gave their fans back
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10% for that game that they were missing.
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So I'm holding out hope that our team does the same thing
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whenever it gets announced where we're going to play.
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Maybe they'll then do what's right and give us back that
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prorated game that we're not going to get because it's only
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fair. But if not, we at least try it
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man. Well, First off, once again,
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shout out and thank you to all of our listeners who took the,
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the, the gravitas, if you will, to say something, because a lot
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of people won't say anything. And what we know is this, we
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believe that our ownership, they're a fair group of guys.
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They are working class guys just like us, but they make more
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money at working, if you will. So, and they understand, they
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understand that, hey, you know what, we are getting paid
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basically off the backs of these people.
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So I, I honestly believe that when it comes down to it, the
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right thing will be done. And there's something said, that
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old adage, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
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You know, that's just how it works, man.
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I mean, like you said, if we didn't say anything, then no one
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will be the wiser. But the fact is people know.
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Now I got to tell you, man, a lot of this was even new to me.
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I mean, not to say that that I'm all knowing or anything like
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that, but a lot of the behind the scenes stuff just I was
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unaware of. So I'm being educated just like
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you, because normally what would happen is I get my invoice and I
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pay it because I just knew that I would already be at the game,
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so to speak, you know? What I mean?
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Yeah, no matter what, but but the fact is, is something needs
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to be said as far as the nuances that are involved with these
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tickets. And I am happy that I'm about,
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I'm about, I'm, I'm in the know, if you will versus not in the
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know. So, so shout out to to the
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different organizations who have done the different things to
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give the blueprint, if you will, for us to be able to possibly
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get something back in return. Yeah, I mean, there's a
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precedence and we're just trying to show them that hey, this has
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happened before, right? I'm, I'm doing a ton of research
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on PS LS right, Just to document what other teams did.
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And I hate to say it, but the Cowboys gave their fans, I want
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to say it was 30 years to pay their PSL.
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Now that stadium was built a very long time ago and I
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seriously don't think that we're going to get anywhere near that
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to pay hours when it comes out. But best believe it's an example
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that I'm going to show them whenever I get a chance to have
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a discussion with them and go from there.
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But all we can do is try, right? And that's why we really
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appreciate our listeners on top of the fact that you guys
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support and listen to the show. But when we put ass like that
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out, you don't hesitate and you reach out.
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You reach out respectfully and you just try and do what's right
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for the rest of the fan base. The thing about Jerry Jones,
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man, and and and and no one like the Cowboys, but you got to give
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credit where credit to do. Jerry thinks I was
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out-of-the-box and he understood or understands that once again,
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these are working class people. Yes, you're going to have your
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suite holders, you're going to have your, you know, your upper
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echelon of people who can fork that money out.
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You know, what's the tunnel pass cost?
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What 10,000 dollars, $30,000 is like that.
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I mean, the average guy just doesn't have that.
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But what the average guy can do, and I've always said this, and
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this is something that also is in my company's modeled by, you
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know, none of us are rich. However, if you allow me to make
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a payment on something, I'll be just as rich as the next man.
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And that's why we are able to have the amount of people come
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to games the way that they come to because of the payment plan
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aspect of things. Yeah, it's, it's crazy because
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their payment plan range from 16,000 to $150,000 per seat back
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then, right? And this was what, 2013 when
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that thing was built right around there and it was a 30
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year financing plan, right? That's a mortgage.
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It's a 30 year mortgage that he gave people.
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And I'm seeing now that teams like the Bills and the Titans
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are giving A3 or A5 year plan, right?
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I mean, it's, it's crazy to me and I'm dumbfounded by the fact
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that Jerry Jones is actually doing something positive.
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But like you said, you know, he knows his fan base and I'm
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hoping ours understands that and listens as well.
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Grant, they had to pay interest on it.
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I think it was an 8% interest, but 8% interest over 30 years.
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If you can pay this thing off sooner then hey, I'm all for
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that, especially my PS LS going to be axed, but I don't want to
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even jump into the PSL conversation.
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We we just want to thank you guys for reaching about our
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season tickets for next year. The auto what a renewal happens
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on December 15th if you're signed up for that and some
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people didn't even know that there was an auto renewal right.
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So it's, to me, part of the show is about educating the fan base
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and also talking about the actual team itself and jumping
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into the team itself. Man, before we get into it, you
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were out there. Did you tour the stadium?
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I did not tour the stadium. I was busy doing SB Vince stuff.
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Once again. I mean, don't get me wrong, I
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I've always told people that I am a fan.
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However, I'm a business owner as well.
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And so there are a lot of times when I'm just not able to kick
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back and do the things that other people would do.
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Because as you know, we've got a giant trip coming up here next
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next Sunday. And so you know, it doesn't
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stop. I I won't stop until probably
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after this Giants trip because I'm not doing anything for the
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Philadelphia Eagles game. I'm going, but I won't, I won't
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be putting on a trip for it per SE.
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So after this, I'll be able to slow down a little bit and I'll
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be able to actually become a fan, if you will, once again.
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Is there even a demand to go up to Philly for the last game of
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the year? I can't because they haven't
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come up with the time. I can't put a bus trip together.
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There's always people who want to go.
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Don't get me wrong, people, people always want to do things.
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But I don't think that it's fair that they now this is another
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subject all together. They haven't come up with the
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time and we know why because they want the biggest rating for
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The Big Bang for the buck and they want to make sure that
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possibly we could play spoiler. So they want the biggest
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ratings. I get it.
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But as far as anything outside of that that hurts me or hurts
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people who want to go and I, I can't plan anything because if
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the time is TBD. So Speaking of, I know this is
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off topic. Have you been affected yet by
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games being flexed out of spots with your trips?
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Because I don't think we've. OK.
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Yeah, because we haven't really had that.
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I know that it was one thing that I want to say the Colts
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owner was fighting that Thursday night games or games like that
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can't be moved out of that day because it's just going to
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drastically change fans travel plans, right?
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And being, you know, a travel planner like you are, I can't
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imagine that logistical nightmare of all of a sudden
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your game from a Thursday getting moved to a a Sunday at
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4:00. Like, what are those fans
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supposed to do that bought those tickets and those hotels and
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everything else? I think the, the only thing that
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is really ever affected me is when the the president was
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closing down the streets for something.
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I don't remember what it was. And, and as you know, my bus
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stops are the Pentagon and Arundel Mills.
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So we couldn't, we couldn't park at the Pentagon.
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So I had to have everybody go out to basically Springfield
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Mall for the pickup because that was far enough out of the way.
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So that's the only thing that's ever really changed, if you
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will. But but as far as flexing the
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time, now back back, if it did happen, people were just excited
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because if they flexed it, that means that we were doing pretty
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good. So yeah, we were doing pretty
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good. So they wanted to be a part of
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the action. So now that's never happened.
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Yeah, this was our first one o'clock game in a long time, and
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I'm not going to say I missed it.
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I enjoyed actually having a majority of my day.
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And you started off by talking about kind of preparing for the
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cold. I went out Sunday morning and it
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was 30° here to go play pickleball.
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And I got to the court and there were two people there, right?
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I'm guessing everyone just like, Nah, it's way too cold.
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I'm not going out there. But I haven't played in a long
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time. So I was trying to get some
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exercise in and, you know, get something done.
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Turns out it was packed later on but we were already playing and
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I didn't get a chance to actually go back out.
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I really wasn't in the mood to go back out after watching what
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the hell we just watched, but I know some of our listeners did a
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stadium tour and it looked awesome.
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And the only reason I ask is because the team that won the
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bid is also the same team that helped construct the Vikings
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stadium. So I am curious to see what
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they're going to kind of tie in from Sofa because you did that
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earlier this year to whatever the hell What's U.S.
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Bank? Yeah.
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U.S. bank to whatever we're supposed to look like.
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So it it's going to be exciting once that actually happens, but
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also scary. Yeah, it, it will be, but I got
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to tell you. So I think it's what is it.
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HKS is the the the company and I, I did do the stadium tour at
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Sofi and that was Immaculate. So if that's the case and they
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bridge U.S. bank with Sofi, man, we're going to be in for one
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hell of a ride, bro. And I mean, I just look at all
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of the, the, the new things that think about the new technology
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that's going to come out between now and 2030 or even 2031.
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You know, I look at what U.S. Bank has done and, and, and U.S.
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Bank is probably what, 4 years old now?
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Five years. Old She She opened in 2016 man.
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God Dang it, do you know what I'm saying?
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That's it's crazy and it's still top notch, but it was 2016, nine
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years ago. Yeah, because I, I remember
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going to the Metro Dome back in 2013, I believe, and I was in
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awe with the Metro Dome, even though the people were like it.
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It's terrible, you know, it's old, but I, I was in awe with
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the Metro Dome and but now and I was actually talking to some
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fans who said that believe it or not, they are happy with U.S.
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bank, but they would rather be at the Metro Dome.
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I know that's hard to believe, but hey man.
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They elaborate why? Or was it tailgating?
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Or what would it have to do? With they just enjoyed the
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inside of the stadium. That's what he told me.
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It wasn't tailgating, it was just they just enjoyed, I guess,
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how the roles were set up back then.
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Yeah. I could, I mean, I got some
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friends that had season tickets for the Raiders, right?
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And it was more personable. You were on top of the team.
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You were right there. And being an Allegiant, you're
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so far removed from everything. It just feels a little more
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sanitary, right? And going to, you know, the
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Giants game out there, their stadium, there's no personality
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there because they just got to rotate those signs between the
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Giants and The Jets. So it is just so neutral and
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kind of boring. But I am looking forward to what
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ours looks like. I'm not going to lie.
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I was hoping you were going to tailgate because I sent you that
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picture of the guy from the Tailgating Hall of Fame that he
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posted on the Facebook group thinking, oh, man, Rally
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actually did tailgate. He bet up with one of the
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tailgating Hall of Fame guys out there.
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But no, not for you. No, man, once we got off the
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train, Ted, I got to tell you my mind was made-up.
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I, I saw the tents that had that looked like they had heaters in
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them. But the other thing was so once
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you got off of the train, you had to kind of so the train let
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you off basically right in front of the stadium, which means
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you're, you're, you're out and you can go up to get to the
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tailgate. You kind of had to go around, if
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that makes sense. And so I was like, now let me
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just go up these steps and go inside.
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Let me tell you, it was so cold, Ted and I never thought I'd see
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this 'cause I thought animals could handle the cold.
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I saw dead pigeons on the steps. Walking UPS I mean.
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That what are they doing there? It's winter.
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Well, I mean, where the pigeons gonna?
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Where the pigeons gonna go, bro? No, pigeons don't go.
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No, they don't like no. I thought all birds flew S for
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the winter. What are you talking?
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About no brother, no man, these pigeons were I should have took
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a picture of these pigeons. They were they were DOA brother
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on the steps and people were just walking around them.
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And so if you're a listener and you were at that game and you
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saw the dead pigeons collaborate, what I'm saying
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because I couldn't believe it. And I and then the pigeons, now
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some pigeons were all huddled together.
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They were, I mean, they were just like really together.
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And let's face it, pigeons normally are are afraid of
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humans. So when you walk up, they'll fly
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away. You got these pigeons.
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These pigeons just stay there, bro.
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They were like, you ain't leaving this, this little warm
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spot here. That's crazy man.
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So no tailgating, but I'm assuming you you're on the field
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pregame. That's the negative, Sir.
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What so? That didn't that didn't happen
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you. Didn't do anything at this, did
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you? OK, so here's the real reason
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you just hung out of White Castle.
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That's what happened. Now let me tell you, I had White
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Castles probably five times. 5 * 5 times and how many days you
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were there? So that was your.
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Tailgate and you're just hanging out of White Castle.
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That was my tailgate. Now I will tell you this.
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They have this drink that pays homage to the old team persona,
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the purple people eaters that drink, and I'll take it I'll
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show you a picture of that Oh brother, that sucker.
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His own point is purple, its own point, and I don't know what
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they mix in it, but let's just say the captain was feeling
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mighty fine. I'm.
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Guessing you're on a sugar high too after having that thing.
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No, it wasn't sugar, it was alcohol, brother.
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Well, you needed every little bit to get through that game,
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man. So no tailgate, no pregame pass.
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Because I was going to ask you what was the team's vibe?
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So could you, Where were you sitting?
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Because I didn't see you on the broadcast.
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Yeah, I was sitting in the zone. I was.
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Sitting We never scored, so they never showed you.
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Well, actually, when the Vikings scored, I saw myself on the big
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screen, but I was sitting right there in front of the V, if you
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will, in the end zone. You in the end zone that we
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threw the tackle eligible pass through with Brandon Coleman
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going out on the. No, and that pissed me off.
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But anyway, I'm that that I'm not even going to get into that,
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but just. We're going to get into that,
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man. We definitely got to get into
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that. So so ahead of time.
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I'm assuming you at least got there to watch warmups.
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I did. OK, what was the vibe of the
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team? Right?
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We're coming off that high. Even though we lost against the
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Broncos on Sunday night. We finally have the entire
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offense out there except for Austin Eckler that we're
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supposed to have for Week 1 of the season, right?
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Like, what did it feel like? Was was the guys excited?
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They came out wearing their Capitals jerseys to support the
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caps because they're on a heater right now, I mean.
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Some of the stuff that we don't get a chance to see cuz we're
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watching on TV until they cut to it at 1:00.
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Yeah, but everybody looked like they were ready to go, man.
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I mean, look like any other any other game until it didn't.
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And I, I, I don't know, once again, I never played in NFL, so
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I don't know. But I just felt like we were, we
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were destined to repeat what we did the week prior.
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And, and based upon that, I said we're going to win.
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And I, we talked about it. I matter of fact I made
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reservations because I said we are going to have victory steak.
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Yeah, I actually just took my victory steak that I was going
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to make for dinner tonight after we record and I just put the
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freezer. I mean, we're not going to.
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I don't know if we're winning again the season.
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I'm not trying to be funny about it, but right now to get shut
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out by the Vikings, who got shut out the week prior by the
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Seahawks who have just had a horrible offense all year.
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They got outscored 49 to 6 their last two games and they dropped
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the 31 bomb on us. I just, I don't know what I'm
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watching right now when it comes to this team and my FanDuel
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account was zero. I reloaded on Sunday thinking
21:32
the spread didn't change once they said Jason was going to
21:36
play because we were getting 2 points.
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I'm thinking, oh, we're going to freaking just rob Vegas out of
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all this money or FanDuel. Nope, they got one over on me.
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I'm I pretty much have to reload my account again after all the
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parlays and everything else I put in, right?
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Chris Rodriguez touchdown, was it a Jeremy Mcnichols over 9
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yards receiving right? Jayden over 1 touchdown pass.
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I just all these things that should have happened, right?
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And I'm guessing you put in a couple parlays too.
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Let's just say this Thank God that Minnesota does not allow
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online betting. Because I mean, Mcnichols to
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have over 9 yards, that is solid.
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That's so simple, man, that I just it, it was unbelievably
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frustrating. And first, OK, they, they
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actually received the ball. They did not respect us at all.
22:32
I said, you know what, we're taking the ball.
22:33
They drove it right down our throats, Our defense that
22:36
stopped the Broncos from time to time and actually put up a fight
22:41
against them. Thinking JJ McCarthy, who's
22:45
different beat reporters were saying they're going to draft a
22:47
new quarterback next year because this kid is so bad.
22:50
Just carved us like a hot knife through butter, right?
22:53
And thinking, OK, that's fine, right?
22:56
The offense drove right down the field, got the ball all the way
22:59
down to the two. And this is just what I I'm I'm
23:03
so mad at some of our fan base about this.
23:06
The tackle eligible play just three pass players in a row.
23:10
I mean, what were you thinking when all that was going on?
23:14
I said, all right, here we go. We're going to run this ball and
23:17
get in the end zone because I like you.
23:21
I I even though I wasn't able to bet, but in my mind I was
23:24
saying, OK, here we go. Rodriguez C Rod, he's going to
23:27
get a touchdown. Nope, Nope, Nope.
23:31
And Nope. And then I said to myself, you
23:34
know what, tell me you don't want to win a game without
23:38
telling me you don't want to win a game.
23:40
And that's how after that I really started feeling that way.
23:43
And then when they so the ball's on the two, so the defense is
23:50
basically tired because they just got drug opening
23:55
possession. They're tired now they get back
23:58
on the ball on the 2 yard line and here we are.
24:02
They go for 12 minutes. I said, there's no way you can
24:05
win a football game. Being on the field, your
24:08
defense, being on the field that long.
24:10
They're human beings. They're not robots.
24:12
They get tired even though they get paid to play at the end of
24:16
the day, you know, it's like Madden.
24:18
Your meter goes down, if you will, you're you're a healthy
24:21
meter or, or Call of Duty. Then you get shot so many times,
24:24
you know what I mean? And that's what this reminded me
24:27
of. The meter just went down and
24:29
kept depleting, kept depleting until I really didn't feel that
24:33
they had anything left in them. And at that point it was just
24:37
like, hey guys, let's just get off the field.
24:40
That's how I felt. I mean entire possession in the
24:42
first half it was 18 point or 18 minutes, 48 seconds to 11
24:46
minutes, 12 seconds, right. That drive that that 98 yard
24:50
drive took 12 minutes and in they had a chance to stop them,
24:57
right? There were some 3rd and logs in
24:58
that drive, there was a 1/3 and 9, a third and eight, a third
25:02
and 12, right. They converted everything and a
25:06
team that was 30% all year on 3rd down.
25:11
Just I don't know what the problem was.
25:14
And we didn't blitz right. They just let McCarthy pick
25:17
apart the zone. We couldn't get any pass rush
25:21
against them at all. And Kevin O'Connell, it looked
25:25
like he was playing chess, and it looked like DQS off defense
25:29
was playing checkers, at least on the TV.
25:31
Well, it seemed to me that they were trying to not get burnt by
25:37
Jefferson and have him do the gritty on us.
25:40
That's what it seemed like to me, even even though I got to
25:43
tell you their graphics were on point.
25:47
Because I think he got a first down and he did a little bit of
25:50
a the gritty and the next thing you know, they have a gritty
25:54
Tron, if you will, to where they put the players up there doing
25:59
the gritty and little kids are doing the gritty.
26:00
So, you know, I always tell people, even though the on field
26:06
play wasn't wasn't good, the overall fan experience at the
26:10
stadium was good. So if I was a Vikings fan, man,
26:15
I'd be loving life. But even as a commander's fan,
26:20
I'm I'm all for a giving credit where credit is due.
26:22
So if I if I had a look on a positive thing, it would be that
26:26
the state of experience for the Vikings fans.
26:28
How about that? And that's terrible if if that's
26:30
all I can get positive of my experience in Minnesota besides
26:35
these White Castles. I've got some friends that are
26:37
Vikings fans and I, you know, I, I didn't really communicate to
26:40
go back and forth with them because of what happened.
26:42
And I don't even like doing that anyway.
26:44
But they were so happy. I mean their team has been
26:48
horrible just like ours, right? And so I'm, I'm happy for them.
26:52
Like my my wife's cousin is a die hard Vikings fan.
26:56
So he and I text back and forth and he tries to text me about
26:59
fancy football advice asking if he should start Bill and all
27:03
this other stuff in different parts of the year.
27:05
And I'm happy that his team won. But I am so angry at the fact
27:10
that this is now 8 games in a row, right?
27:13
This was so was a winnable game. This should have been a winnable
27:17
game to get our ass kicked so much by a bad Vikings team.
27:24
What does that make us at this point?
27:27
Right. And we were all hanging our hats
27:29
on the fact. That a worst commanders team.
27:32
But we were all happy about losing to the Broncos because
27:36
the Broncos are so good, right? And now we don't even score a
27:41
single point against the Vikings.
27:43
It's just, it's beyond frustrating, man.
27:46
Yeah, it was Ted and and I'm here to tell you that.
27:50
As I said, tell me you don't, you don't want to win a game
27:53
without telling me you don't want to win a game.
27:55
And that's what it felt like. It also feels, now I'm not going
27:59
to say that this is the case, but it feels like maybe they've
28:06
done the talent a little bit. You know what, just just just
28:10
get out of this. It reminded me of the teams in
28:12
the past. We've we've been through this
28:14
before and we've seen a lot of teams.
28:17
Oh, a lot of times when the team said, all right, you know what,
28:21
just get out of it healthy, as healthy as you possibly can be,
28:25
you know, put up a fight, but just enough to get out of it
28:28
just to so we can go home. That's what it seemed like we
28:32
talked about. We talked about it on the last
28:34
pod how teams in the past that you're referencing guys would
28:38
make business decisions and I went back and watched you all 22
28:43
today. I don't know why, but I I wanted
28:46
to figure where guys actually open, right?
28:48
What, what the hell happened? Like tried and put an answer to
28:51
the final box score and guys were trying.
28:55
It's just there were maybe 3 passes.
28:58
I feel that Jayden missed because he got happy feet or
29:01
because he stared a couple people down.
29:04
Other than that, guys were covered.
29:06
Guys just weren't getting open. And we talked about that play to
29:11
Brandon Coleman, right? The tackle eligible in the end
29:13
zone, right? And I posted a video of that and
29:17
fans were defending the play call saying Coleman was open.
29:20
Like, to me, you don't even call that play.
29:22
You hadn't won a game in 63 days.
29:25
You just drove down the field. Chris Rodriguez is getting 8
29:29
yards of carry and you decide to get cute.
29:32
It just, it reminds me of Kingsbury loves a cheddar Bob
29:37
and shoot himself in the foot. All of a sudden we're driving
29:39
down the field, right? And next thing you know, he goes
29:43
Wildcat and just throws a wrench in the rhythm that the offense
29:47
has. And he just did it again.
29:49
And after we didn't get it at the two, I almost felt like, I
29:53
don't want to say the guys gave up because they didn't see it on
29:55
the film, but I feel like they just lost all of their desire to
30:00
play that day. I could probably agree with you
30:04
on that. Here's the other thing, Ted,
30:07
those guys, once again, I always use the human reference.
30:10
They're human. They felt that they could beat
30:12
the Vikings and once they once it didn't happen to the way that
30:17
we as fans thought, imagine how they felt.
30:20
Well, damn, OK and they stayed in it for a little bit.
30:24
I'm I'm not going to say that that business decisions were
30:26
being made. They, they tried to stay in as
30:29
best as they possibly could. But then after a while it did
30:33
seem that way. You know, even even after that
30:37
first drive and, and we didn't score, I believe that their
30:40
heads were in it. But then once they went 14 or
30:45
nothing and then we were thinking, OK, you know what, 14
30:48
nothing. We get the ball back half time
30:51
and things didn't go our way. That's when that meter that I
30:55
was telling you about just started to just started to go
30:58
down, go down, go down. I mean, they still put up an
31:01
effort, but it wasn't the type of effort that we saw week
31:07
prior. Yeah.
31:09
I mean, we've been down by two touchdowns before, right?
31:13
Getting the ball at half right and run that thing back, OK, we
31:18
get the ball in 23. We start off right there.
31:22
We're so definitely within this game, right?
31:24
It's just it's JJ McCarthy, it's the Vikings, right?
31:27
If we can just get a drive together.
31:30
I just feel we couldn't do it. And what were you thinking when
31:34
Jayden threw that pick and you saw him run down there and try
31:38
to make that tackle? Well, I thought that at that
31:43
point in time he's on defense and make a play, but I didn't
31:48
think that Well, so, yeah, I thought he was on, hey, he's on
31:54
defense trying to make a play or, or slow the guy down.
31:58
But I didn't realize that the guy was going to push the crap
32:01
out of him and and make him fall on that elbow.
32:06
So it's just it's football, bro. I mean, it is what it is.
32:11
I'm sure that he when he was in LSU, he threw a pick and and he
32:15
probably tried to make a tackle and made the tackle or whatever.
32:18
Have you even even in this first his rookie season, I'm sure he
32:21
threw a pick and try to make a tackle.
32:24
Man, Things happen, man. You know, a little scrape can
32:28
turn into something big after getting hit like that.
32:32
So I'm happy they took him out to save him from himself.
32:37
I think that was a smart thing to do from the coach, even
32:39
though they said that he could have gone back in, but we
32:42
weren't coming back and save the key from himself.
32:47
Live the fight another day. Yeah, this was actually DQ
32:50
talking about if Jayden could have come or could have played
32:53
again, give you an update on Jayden.
32:55
Obviously fell on his elbow, was questionable to return and could
32:59
have. It was it was my decision to sit
33:00
him out. Just, you know, as a team at
33:03
this point, we were off and felt like that was the right call for
33:07
us to go. So DQ came out today and said
33:13
that, you know, they're going to evaluate Jen for some reason,
33:17
his press conference, the beginning part of it was not
33:20
streamed and they also didn't stream it on X.
33:22
You had to kind of hunt it down. And not saying they do that on
33:25
purpose, but it's just kind of odd that that happened after
33:29
that butt whooping. But let's see here.
33:31
Just looking at what Jon Kime said.
33:33
Quinn said doctors examined Jaden Daniels today and there's
33:36
no long term concerns. Quinn said there is soreness,
33:39
but no update yet on this week as to if Daniels will be
33:43
available to play. And I know you're in the end
33:47
zone. You probably haven't had a
33:48
chance to go back and watch a game.
33:49
I don't recommend anyone goes back to watch the game, but
33:54
pretty much depending what you're into.
33:56
But there were a couple times where Jayden slid or he dove and
34:00
he put down that left arm to brace himself, right?
34:04
So to me that was a positive sign that if he's putting that
34:07
thing down there, he's OK, right?
34:10
He put some padding on it and he's OK.
34:12
There's a video I want to say that Grant Paulson took because
34:15
he was right down there on the sideline of Jaden just throwing
34:19
his helmet on the ground. I think they were telling him
34:20
he's not going back in anymore and realistically, he should not
34:24
have gone back in anymore. And we talked about this.
34:26
I think you and I might have disagreed on it.
34:28
I want Jaden to play, and this was prior, prior.
34:31
I know last week you definitely said you wanted to go in, but my
34:34
caveat was Jaden needs to play. He needs the reps Put him in
34:39
there if the offensive line is healthy and if it's not a
34:42
blowout, it turned into a blowout and they should have sat
34:46
them, which is what they did and I'm happy they did that.
34:49
I've always said if a player is healthy, play them.
34:52
I I never said give up on the kid.
34:53
If he's healthy, play them and he's been cleared, play them.
34:57
If not, there's no sense in doing that.
35:00
Knowing he could have gone back in if it was a bigger game or
35:04
something happened, I'm fine with the fact that he didn't,
35:08
right? If he could have magically been
35:09
cleared, it sounds like he could have magically been cleared to
35:11
go back in. Don't put it back in there right
35:13
and if. If this was a 7 point game,
35:17
yeah, he goes back in. But I think at that point it was
35:21
only a 14 point game. But realistically it was more
35:24
than a 14 point game. The way the offense looked, the
35:26
way that Minnesota just had our number, they were just off
35:31
Minnesota. Their defense dictated
35:34
everything. The offense didn't dictate a
35:36
single thing. And that's what was so annoying
35:40
because you know what Minnesota likes to do?
35:42
They don't fool you at all. They blitz and blitz and blitz,
35:45
and you got to beat it. And I went back and looked at it
35:49
and it just didn't seem like there were any routes or any
35:51
plays that were called to address that blitz, right?
35:55
A lot of these actual routes that were being run were longer
35:58
developing routes. And guess what?
36:00
Kid didn't have time to throw. They never moved the pocket on
36:03
him to try and buy him some more time.
36:05
And then eventually he just got happy feet because he was
36:09
getting pressured left and right and he thought people were there
36:12
even though they weren't. And it's it's just upsetting,
36:16
man, because the Broncos game gave me faith that we would be
36:20
competitive the final five games of the season.
36:24
This game, I don't know if we're going to be competitive the
36:27
final four games of the season. And guess what?
36:30
It's all against the vision. Oh, and it's also going to be on
36:33
Hard Knocks. Well, the only thing I can say
36:38
is even though you we are coming to the end of the Commander
36:45
season, a lot of these players still need to play well because
36:50
if the Commanders don't keep them, they need to put up tape
36:54
for their next team, if you will.
36:57
So may not feel they have anything to pay for.
37:00
But if that's your job to be a professional football player,
37:04
you're going to want to put the best foot forward because you
37:08
don't know what tomorrow's going to bring to you.
37:11
And I hate to say that, but that's just a realistic aspect
37:14
of it all, you know? So I'm hoping that even though
37:19
the Giants are favored, that we don't look at that and we put
37:23
our best foot forward and we know that we've had an issue
37:26
sometimes at the Meadowlands, man.
37:28
And so I'm just going to do what I can do.
37:32
And I'm going to cheer my butt off like I always do.
37:35
And I'm going to ask everybody else.
37:36
They do the exact same thing. And hopefully Jayden plays.
37:41
He's he's well enough to play. And oh, you know, our prayers go
37:44
out to. Ertz.
37:48
Ertz Zach Ertz, definitely. It didn't torn extra.
37:53
It didn't look good live at at the stadium.
37:57
So I know that from all the replay guys who can rewind and
38:01
go back and rewind and go back again.
38:03
I know you guys saw something and I don't even want to see it
38:06
because it it didn't look good live.
38:08
Not as ugly as what happened to Jaden with a dislocation, but I
38:12
think Chuck Hernandez put it in slow MO on his ex and yeah, I
38:15
mean live. He landed on his head, so you're
38:19
thinking, Oh my gosh, what happened there?
38:20
But then you see him grab his leg.
38:22
At that point, then I had texted you to let you know he's crying
38:25
on the cart, right at that point when the player is doing that
38:29
and the player like him is crying and bawling on the cart.
38:32
And Mariota basically put his hand over top of him to
38:36
basically pray with Zach, right? It's you got to think his career
38:40
is done. And they don't wish that on
38:42
anybody. But realistically, it's December
38:45
torn ACL to go through rehab again at his age, I can't see
38:50
him stepping on the field again as a player.
38:53
It's he's been playing for way too long.
38:55
And why? Why come back and do that?
38:57
And the only bright spot, if there is one, is that means we
39:03
can see what Ben Senate has. We can see what Coulson Yankov
39:07
has. These other guys are going to
39:09
get a shot and step up because like you said, people are
39:12
playing for contracts, People are playing to put up tape and
39:15
those guys are under contract. But NFL contracts, they're not
39:18
guaranteed. It's not like the NBA.
39:20
You can still get cut, right? So put up some tapes to prove
39:23
that you should be on this 53 next year because right now I'm
39:27
not seeing a lot of guys that deserve to be on this 53
39:30
guaranteed next year. Other than what Tonsil Terry,
39:36
right, Chris Rodriguez, Jordan McGee, I I can't think of very
39:43
many other guys that are a lock. San Ristell, he still had a bad
39:46
game. Man, it was overall just bad.
39:53
There's no way you can sugarcoat it.
39:54
It was bad. They know it was bad.
39:56
They put up a goose egg. I don't know how many fans from
40:00
opposing teams sent me Donuts, you know?
40:05
So. So they were tweeting you
40:07
Donuts? Send me Donuts, not tweeting,
40:10
but Facebook and Instagram. So, you know, it is one of the
40:14
things that hey, it happens And and I one of the things that the
40:19
Vikings were always trying to they were trying to say, aw man,
40:23
you know, good luck and sorry for you.
40:25
I said, hey, man, this is a part of life.
40:29
In life, you can't win them all. And and this is sometimes is the
40:32
best way to build up character, you know, and we, let's face it,
40:36
we got a lot of character because we could have some bad
40:38
years, bro. And so this, this is no
40:40
different than before. We just didn't want it to happen
40:43
under this new regime. But this new regime's got to
40:48
take their lumps too. So welcome.
40:51
And I know that you guys are going to do something different.
40:55
I don't know what you're going to do, but I feel that you guys
40:58
are going to do something to to, to, to tell Dan Quinn, hey, we
41:03
can't have much more of this. Even though they understand that
41:05
it's, it's football, it's sports.
41:06
But don't be surprised if some changes happen some somewhere, I
41:12
don't know where, but I wouldn't be surprised.
41:14
Yeah, I mean, I just, I don't know if Kingsbury is going to be
41:17
here. He's going to get a job
41:18
someplace else. But last year we're all saying,
41:21
I hope he doesn't leave. I hope he doesn't leave now
41:23
after this game. You got fans saying I hope he's
41:25
gone. I hope he does get a job offer
41:27
someplace else, right. And I don't know what's going to
41:29
happen because that means we're going to have a whole new
41:31
defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator.
41:32
But those are discussions for the offseason.
41:36
I I did have fans from other teams saying, is DQ on the hot
41:40
seat? And to me, no, his job is not at
41:43
risk at all. Considering what he did last
41:46
year. He's fine.
41:47
Him and Peters are perfectly fine.
41:50
I think this is our worst losing streak since 196019601961,
41:55
right? We lost seven games in a row one
41:58
year and then we lost the next game the next year.
42:00
So it was eight in a row then. But I can't remember being a fan
42:05
where it's just been this long since we've won an actual game,
42:09
obviously since I wasn't born back then.
42:12
But The thing is, it just, it doesn't feel like that like
42:16
gloom and doom because maybe the injuries and the fact that we
42:22
finally have a quarterback, but then there are some out there
42:25
calling him RG4, right? He's just.
42:28
Ain't good. No, right.
42:30
And he's just, he's injury prone.
42:32
I mean, what are your thoughts or response to those people?
42:37
I say calm down. Or as if you were you're old
42:40
enough to to know the movie stripes.
42:43
Lighten up, Francis. That that's that's how I look at
42:47
it that and if you know that quote, then you know that quote,
42:49
but lighten up, Francis. We're so split and so fast to
42:57
come to a judgement to where nobody was saying that last year
43:01
everybody was on his jock and you know he gets healthy and we
43:09
play better next season, you'll be back on his jock.
43:13
So let what happens need to what's happening right now
43:17
unfortunately or fortunately needs to happen because as long
43:23
as we continue to think that we're this team that we're not,
43:28
then these results will happen. It's time to get back to playing
43:32
the type of football that we need to play.
43:35
And the other thing is this obviously it shows that whether
43:40
the timing is off, whether he's not feeling right or
43:44
uncomfortable, whatever it is, this isn't the same Jayden.
43:48
This isn't the same offense. Yes, the offense of coordinator
43:52
still there, but this isn't the same and it shows.
43:56
So we got to, we got to take our feelings out of it and put this
44:00
in perspective because it, it doesn't look the same, you know,
44:04
So just, I always say, you know, just just calm down.
44:10
And I know we don't want to calm down.
44:13
We, we were, we were 60 minutes from freaking the Super Bowl.
44:16
Basically, we don't want to calm down.
44:19
We want, we want to go back to there.
44:20
But, but that's why it's in the rear view.
44:24
It's not in front view. It's in the rear view that
44:27
happened. Focus on what you can and that's
44:30
what we need to work on. Best believe I'm sure there was
44:34
some furniture movement with DQ. Trying to figure out what the HE
44:39
double hockey fix is going on with my squad.
44:43
I mean, he said that, DQ said. They're they were lost, but
44:47
they're not lost anymore. Well, I don't know you.
44:52
You went deep. You went deep into the forest,
44:54
bro. And I don't see no bread crumbs,
44:55
so I don't know how you going to get out of it.
44:58
They they were definitely lost this week.
45:00
The offense, the defense, I mean, maybe special teams was
45:04
OK, but they were definitely lost this week.
45:05
And this is actually what he had to say during the beginning of
45:08
his press conference when I told the team was I thought we took a
45:12
step forward last week. And tonight I thought we took
45:16
three steps back and we didn't find our rhythm and let them
45:21
live into there. So tonight, to me, none of it
45:25
was acceptable, man. It's it's unacceptable what we
45:31
watched and they're going to learn from it, right?
45:34
And This is why I want Jay in to play, right?
45:39
Guys like him that are blue chippers, they don't face
45:42
adversity like this in college, right?
45:44
This is what builds your character and this is what I
45:47
want to see. How do they bounce back?
45:49
How do they respond right going against the defense like that?
45:52
That is going to come at you from every angle.
45:54
Best believe he's going to make sure he's prepared next time.
45:58
Right and this was a tough landing spot for him to come
46:01
back from. The Giants probably would have
46:03
been a lot softer but the kid needs reps and those of you out
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there that don't want him to play against the Giants even if
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he is healthy, I'm never going to agree with you because he's
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got such few reps under his belt and it's obvious.
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This showed me he needs more experience and only way to get
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it's by playing. Definitely.
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And I got to go back, Ted, for to the beginning of the show, if
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you will. A big shout out goes to the
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basically 350 people that came to the rally Saturday night at
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the Rabbit Hole. I got to give you guys your
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props because it was cold and you guys endured the cold even
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though it was warm inside. Big shout out goes out to Terry
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Mclaurin's dad. He got up and said a few words
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as well as JD 5, Mama 5. She got up on stage and said a
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few words. So, you know, so it all wasn't
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backed, if you will, the the the the playing on the field.
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Yes, we can't control that, but what we could control we did and
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we shut the rabbit hole down, man.
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So a big shout out to you guys. That's awesome.
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Actually, I saw DJ Chuck's Instagram, he had a bunch of
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pictures, everything else. And I think, I mean, obviously
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you got the the Oakley ones, so they're sunglasses.
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I'm going to say man, go live right there so we can watch you
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because I'm sitting here and it's Saturday and it's 6 O
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clock. Like damn, I kind of wish I
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could see what rally was like right now, what was going on or
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I wish someone that was there, I don't know, like KJ and all the
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guys travel man put up a feed for us so we can see it because
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we lived through your guys pictures when you all are on the
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road and it looked like a blast. And there were people that
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replying to my Twitter saying I can't imagine spending money on
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this team or this and that and going on the road because I
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sent, you know, hat tip to all the fans.
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There were a lot of burgundy and gold in the stands.
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I'm not sure from your perspective how many you saw,
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but Jason said and we, we reference some guys because he's
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a friend, He's also a listener, said that tickets are dropping.
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Where's everyone buying them? Right.
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I know a lot of our fans decide to go up last minute.
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Minneapolis, MN is a hub. You can get flights dirt cheap.
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Game tickets were dirt cheap and you guys flew up there man.
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And hat tip to all of you that represent the burgundy and gold.
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I'm just bummed for you guys that it didn't turn out like we
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all thought was going to happen. But I know they're going to get
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it right. I just don't.
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I don't know where I'm man. And it's going to be interesting
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to say, and I know some people are wishing the season was over.
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We only get 17 games and I am never going to say I wish it was
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over yet, right? Not until the very, very last
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play of that last game am I ever going to say that.
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But right now, we'll wait till we recap the Giants game.
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We got games to play it. You can wish it it wasn't there,
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but we got games to play and matter of fact, what in five
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days basically we'll be playing a game.
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So get yourselves together, people, because we got to get
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right back on this bus literally again.
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Well, let me know how the rally is.
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We'll we'll sync back up this week to chat about the giants.
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But before we go, I also want to send a thank you and a shout out
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to Claire. Claire is one of our P1
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listeners. It is her birthday.
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Happy. Birthday.
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And chimes in on YouTube. We wish more of you guys would
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chime in on YouTube. I watch you.
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I can see you watching and listen to the show.
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Leave us a comment. There was another listener a
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couple of them up there that replied about the ticket
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situation, how bad it was international game.
49:38
We just appreciate you guys interacting.
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Seriously, it means a lot to rally and me especially, you
49:42
know, during a season like this. Yes, indeed.
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Hats off to you guys because once again, I always tell you
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guys, me and Ted get tired of talking to each other.
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We want some feedback from everybody else.
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We know you listening, so hey, do us a favor and talk to us.
49:59
And you never know, you might get a surprise in return.
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But I hear the music playing in the background which lets me
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know I always say this brings another episode to the mess hall
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to a close. Remember, you RIP it hard.
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You don't RIP it at all. Rally Captain Tailgate, Ted Ow.