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Men’s humanity still terrifies feminists | HBR Talk 389 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three hundred and ninety.
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  Speaker 1: Talk three ninety. Does this mainosphere seem kind of small
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  Speaker 1: to you? And I picked the title this time specifically
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  Speaker 1: because of last week revelation that the writer wasn't discussing us,
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  Speaker 1: she was just lumping us in with the people that
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  Speaker 1: she was discussing, who are only a fraction of the manisphere.
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  Speaker 1: We quite frequently get people that we haven't had before
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  Speaker 1: with some definitions. Because this individual, this writer here which
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  Speaker 1: I'll scroll back.
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  Speaker 4: To the top.
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  Speaker 1: The article is titled the in cell Trap. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she starts out saying she's writing about insults. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: then she goes into Reddit's Men's Right subreddit, which is
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  Speaker 1: not about in cells per se. It's a men's rights subreddit.
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  Speaker 1: The discussions in the men's rights subreddit are more about
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  Speaker 1: things like do process in criminal court, fair treatment in
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  Speaker 1: family court, the boy crisis in education where boys are
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  Speaker 1: falling behind instead of keeping up, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that is because of the ways that education has changed,
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  Speaker 1: where discovery learning is being thrown by the wayside, for
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  Speaker 1: by rote learning and things like that, and also political
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  Speaker 1: propaganda which doesn't provide any useful benefit to the kids.
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  Speaker 1: And then of course she gets into the manisphere, which
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  Speaker 1: the manisphere here we go, she defines incorrectly as a
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  Speaker 1: loose group of men who promote misogyny and anti feminism online,
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  Speaker 1: which that's maloney and I believe that.
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  Speaker 2: So, Hannah, either you are not part of the manisphere,
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  Speaker 2: or you are a man. And it's been zero days.
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  Speaker 1: Zero days, yep, that has post the meme zero days
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  Speaker 1: since since I've been called a man again, all of us, though,
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  Speaker 1: like every woman in the manisphere. The so called manisphere,
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  Speaker 1: and it's the manisphere is essentially a a loose group
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  Speaker 1: of different discussions and sets of activism and I guess camaraderie,
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  Speaker 1: communication and so on around issues affecting men and boys.
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  Speaker 1: And so it includes men's rights activists who want to
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  Speaker 1: ensure that mothers and fathers get equal treatment in court
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  Speaker 1: instead of one getting custody all the time and the
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  Speaker 1: other getting shut out of the child's life because kids
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  Speaker 1: need their fathers and dads need to raise their.
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  Speaker 3: Kids, and you know, and and then.
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  Speaker 1: You have guys who are pickup artists, completely different group
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  Speaker 1: of guys. You have in cells again another completely different
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  Speaker 1: group of guys. And you have men going their own way,
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  Speaker 1: another completely different group of guys, guys that call themselves
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  Speaker 1: red pillars, who are often more about traditionalism than specifically
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  Speaker 1: men's rights. But believe that that there is. There's an
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  Speaker 1: attack on masculinity, and they're you know, as a men's
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  Speaker 1: rights activists, I will agree that there is because feminists
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  Speaker 1: have said they want to feminize men and boys, and
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  Speaker 1: as a result, they've changed the education system. They've made
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  Speaker 1: demands for change in law and policy, both in government
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  Speaker 1: and in the corporate world. They've changed how the field
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  Speaker 1: of psychology works, how therapy is or is not available.
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  Speaker 1: So it is quite reasonable to say there's an attack
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  Speaker 1: on masculinity. But traditionalist conservatives and men's rights activists, while
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  Speaker 1: there's some overlip lap, are not all the same group.
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  Speaker 1: The men's rights movement, in addition to traditionalist conservatives, includes
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  Speaker 1: independence like me, includes an anarchical capitalists like me, basically
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  Speaker 1: people who pretty much have decided the government really can't
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  Speaker 1: do anything right and if the people want any any
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  Speaker 1: protection at all, eternal vigilance is the only answer you have.
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  Speaker 1: Communists a few communists. I know a few communists in
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  Speaker 1: the movement. We butt heads on things all the time
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  Speaker 1: because I'm very anti communism, but we still are able
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  Speaker 1: to agree that if something is a human right, that
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  Speaker 1: it's no less a man's right than that of a woman.
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  Speaker 1: We have in the movement. There are people that are
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  Speaker 1: semi woke. I don't think we have any super woke
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  Speaker 1: leftists that are really actively men's rights activists, because it
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  Speaker 1: kind of the super woke left really hates men in general.
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  Speaker 5: The ten Man and Lisa Brendon, Yeah, they're probably as
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  Speaker 5: close as you can get.
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  Speaker 2: We've had all sorts over the years, going all the
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  Speaker 2: way back to twenty fourteen, there have been there have
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  Speaker 2: been or even there have been some people who have
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  Speaker 2: tried to get involved in the men's rights movement because
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  Speaker 2: they're a little bit left leaning, Like it only takes
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  Speaker 2: them a year or two before they're like, this is
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  Speaker 2: too right way for me.
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  Speaker 4: I have to go.
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  Speaker 2: Because just because they disagree with other adjacent issues.
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  Speaker 4: I can name names.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could name several names, but we don't need
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 1: The sad thing is I mean, if you really want
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  Speaker 1: to name names, one of the earliest men's rights activists
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  Speaker 1: that that's known to be a men's rights activist, somebody
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  Speaker 1: who talked about, uh, the importance of equal treatment under
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  Speaker 1: the law and the damaging effects of unequal treatment between
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  Speaker 1: men and women, where you know a woman can make
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  Speaker 1: an allegation and a man's defense is compromised by the
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  Speaker 1: state accommodating her embarrassment or accommodating her feelings in some
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  Speaker 1: way or another. That would have been Ernest Belfort backs
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  Speaker 1: and he he talked about a bunch of different things,
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  Speaker 1: but he a one of the things that he he
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  Speaker 1: brought up was, uh, no no relation to us. The
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  Speaker 1: badger game. Uh. And uh there was the badger game
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  Speaker 1: and the honey trap and the honey trap. Uh it
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  Speaker 1: was if I remember the honey trap. Honey trapping is
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  Speaker 1: a woman getting a guy into a compromising position and
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  Speaker 1: then claiming to be a victim of that situation and
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  Speaker 1: using it for blackmail of some sort or otherwise taking
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  Speaker 1: advantage like the the c i A uses honey traps
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  Speaker 1: to catch people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, honeypot.
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  Speaker 4: It's called the honeypot.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, the honeypot. Whereas the badger game in a way
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of similar, but it involves breach things like
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  Speaker 1: breach of promise to marry.
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  Speaker 3: And I would I would have to look up.
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  Speaker 1: There's a good discussion on it, an article on it
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  Speaker 1: on Unknown misandry dot blogspot dot com. Believe it's a
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  Speaker 1: dot com, because I think all the blogspots are dot
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  Speaker 1: com and that's uh. That blog has quite a bit
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  Speaker 1: of information about, you know, some some misconceptions that people have,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, violent people can be male or female,
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  Speaker 1: serial killers can be male or female. All types of
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  Speaker 1: criminality can can be perpetrated by male or female criminals.
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  Speaker 1: And there are examples on there from news stories to
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  Speaker 1: prove it. And also about the history of law and
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  Speaker 1: policy on domestic violence. People will think that that was
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  Speaker 1: invented in the seventies, but it actually the nineteen seventies,
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  Speaker 1: but actually goes back to like the thirteenth century.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, just just to clarify, even even way back
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  Speaker 2: in the Game of Gate Days and long before that,
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  Speaker 2: but specifically in the Game of eight Days, it became
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  Speaker 2: obvious that there was this vendetta against straight, white susgendered
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  Speaker 2: Christian males, like it all came together in Game Agate.
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  Speaker 2: But it's been going on since well, it's been going
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  Speaker 2: on noticeably since the nineties, and it's been going on
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  Speaker 2: since long before that, in what we call the Frankfurt school.
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  Speaker 2: You will have to look that ship up for yourself
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  Speaker 2: because it has always been there. But like I said,
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  Speaker 2: about all these There are some people who who aligned
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  Speaker 2: themselves with the men's rights movement because because they realized
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  Speaker 2: that men were being discriminated against on on on this
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  Speaker 2: kind of basis. But then once it developed, they were like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not happening to white people, or straight people,
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  Speaker 2: or susgended people, or Christians. No, no, no, no demographic here,
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  Speaker 2: none of that is happening. Even though we even though
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  Speaker 2: it was made clear to us during game Agay that
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  Speaker 2: these are the series of demographics that are being lumped
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  Speaker 2: together as the Untermensch. It's just that for some reason
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  Speaker 2: that there were there were some men who were only
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  Speaker 2: interested in in in the fact that they as men
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  Speaker 2: were being discriminated against. But then when it came to
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  Speaker 2: the white thing and the straight thing, and the susgended
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  Speaker 2: thing and the Christian thing, they were like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's that's going too far. Even even though even
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  Speaker 2: though it's been made clear that this is happening and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is an unfortunate truth that we have
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  Speaker 2: to encounter there there are there are some men that
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  Speaker 2: only came to to to the Men's Life movement because
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  Speaker 2: of personal things that were happening to them, possibly because
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  Speaker 2: because of because of things that happened in the family courts,
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  Speaker 2: possibly because of things that had happened with the women
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  Speaker 2: in their life. And I don't know how to pussy
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  Speaker 2: foot around this because you know, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: add harmonym any men that happened to have encountered, you know,
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  Speaker 2: things in their personal life, but that has happened, like
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  Speaker 2: like when when they only encounter things that happen in
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  Speaker 2: their own personal life, but once those issues get fixed
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  Speaker 2: in their own personal life, they're like, oh, well, that's
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  Speaker 2: that's that's not important to you anymore. That thing's been fixed.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that you were still talking about white
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  Speaker 2: people and straight people, it's this gender people and Christians
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't matter to anymore because because because that's that's
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  Speaker 2: not affecting me in my life anymore. And this is
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  Speaker 2: it's it's people tend to push back on the things
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  Speaker 2: that aren't happening to them, and they tend to they
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  Speaker 2: tend to there's so many people who try to be
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  Speaker 2: different for the sake of being different, And that's what
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  Speaker 2: brought about the Frankfurt School in the first place. That
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  Speaker 2: I'm just being I encountered the things around me, and
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  Speaker 2: I pushed back on those things.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 1: In our own way, ended up in the movement after
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  Speaker 1: encountering things that demonstrated there was a problem. And then slowly,
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  Speaker 1: like everybody talks about the red pill, the moment you
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  Speaker 1: realized that the system isn't working the way that it
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  Speaker 1: should be working, Like the equal treatment in of the
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  Speaker 1: law is not happening, that the family court system is
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  Speaker 1: a mess, that the education system is not serving either
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  Speaker 1: sex of child very well, but they're doing even worse
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  Speaker 1: for boys than they are for girls, and all that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think for a lot of us it was
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  Speaker 1: almost like more like a red iv and it was
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  Speaker 1: a very slow drip because we start figuring out over
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  Speaker 1: the course of years that gosh, you know, some of
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  Speaker 1: these laws are written in a very discriminatory way, like
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  Speaker 1: laws on inanimate partner violence, on family violence have become gendered.
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  Speaker 1: So if the person who is a victim is male,
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  Speaker 1: he has less recourse and there are less avenues for
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  Speaker 1: him to get help. He may not be able to
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  Speaker 1: get any justice in the court system. If he has
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  Speaker 1: children with his abuser, he may lose custody, he may
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  Speaker 1: be he may have to worry that his abuser has
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  Speaker 1: custody of his children. When that happens to women, everybody
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  Speaker 1: gets all up in arms, right, everybody recognizes that these
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  Speaker 1: are circumstances that should not be happening. That the victim
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  Speaker 1: of the abuse should be able to get out of
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  Speaker 1: the home. That if there is a perpetrator of abuse
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  Speaker 1: in the home, that that person should not be the
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  Speaker 1: one in charge of the children.
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  Speaker 4: And that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if there's if there's proof of abuse escaping,
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  Speaker 1: that shouldn't break the bank for the individual that's getting
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  Speaker 1: out of that situation. That shouldn't That shouldn't matter whether
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  Speaker 1: the victim is the wife or the husband. But it does.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's sort of where I came in that
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  Speaker 1: and false allegations, because I dealt with that case that
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  Speaker 1: that's titled seven Years in Hell in the article that
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  Speaker 1: I wrote about it on a Voice for Men a
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  Speaker 1: voice formen dot com. But there were other instances that
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  Speaker 1: I had witnessed then. They all seemed to revolve around
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  Speaker 1: the gendering in the Violence Against Women Act, And none
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  Speaker 1: of that kind of thing happened under Ronald Reagan's Family
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  Speaker 1: Violence Prevention and Services Act. If somebody was abusing their
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  Speaker 1: father or their mother, or their son or their daughter,
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  Speaker 1: their husband, their wife, anyone in their household, their brother,
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  Speaker 1: their sister. They were all treated equally under the law.
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  Speaker 1: They were all treated. The victim was treated with compassion.
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  Speaker 1: The perpetrator was treated as an individual who needed treatment
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  Speaker 1: for a behavioral disorder, because any adult that handles conflict
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  Speaker 1: with violence is in need of either education that helps
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  Speaker 1: them mature or treatment for a behavioral disorder.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to continue my thought, some people are just iconoclastic.
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  Speaker 2: They they push back on whatever seems normal to them.
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  Speaker 2: And and a lot of people, especially young people, because
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  Speaker 2: they're naturally rebellious, find themselves surrounded by this left wing
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  Speaker 2: feminist ideology. But they are able to escape into this,
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  Speaker 2: into this community, this enclave, this online enclave of men's
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  Speaker 2: rights advocates, of of people who reject the feminist dogma.
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  Speaker 2: But then once they find themselves entrenched in that community,
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  Speaker 2: that becomes the norm and so and so. Then they
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  Speaker 2: see the menzarites advocate community as the norm and and so. Then,
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  Speaker 2: because they are natural rebellious iconoclass, they go, well, now
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  Speaker 2: that this is the thing I'm surrounded by, I have
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  Speaker 2: to push back against that, and they completely and they
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  Speaker 2: completely forget that the media and the education system and
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  Speaker 2: the government around them are still all died in the
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  Speaker 2: world feminists, but they don't care about that anymore because
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  Speaker 2: because the community, the community in which they've embedded themselves,
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  Speaker 2: is now the norm and and and they lose track
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  Speaker 2: of the whole of the perspective. And that is, whatever
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  Speaker 2: is subjectively normal to them becomes their enemy. And and
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  Speaker 2: this is what we encounter year over year. It's people
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  Speaker 2: who want new things, who want novelty, and then they
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  Speaker 2: get bored of the novelty, and so and and and
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  Speaker 2: so they extract themselves back into the original thing that
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  Speaker 2: was always the thing that pushed them in in into
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  Speaker 2: the into into the outlying movement in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: And this and this is it's it's it's difficult, but
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  Speaker 2: it's important to figure out the difference between people who
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  Speaker 2: reject things just because they're normal and people who reject
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  Speaker 2: things because they're fucking wrong. And this is why Honey
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  Speaker 2: Badger Radio has has been going for a dozen years
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  Speaker 2: and more, because we're not just rejecting this because it's normal.
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  Speaker 2: We're rejecting it because it is the overlying all encompassing dogma,
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  Speaker 2: and it's always been wrong and that's never changed, even
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  Speaker 2: when Trump got in power for the first term, even
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  Speaker 2: when in Trump got in power for the second term.
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  Speaker 2: There are people pushing back on Trump now because he's
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  Speaker 2: not doing enough and because he's doing some some some
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  Speaker 2: pretty mad ship and they're like, well, there's and it's
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  Speaker 2: the same in ever in any other given country. We've
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  Speaker 2: got all this fucking infighting in the UK between Reform
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  Speaker 2: and UH and and Restore, and it's hard to cut
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  Speaker 2: through all these iconic class who are just being different
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  Speaker 2: for the sake of being different and and and it's
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  Speaker 2: fun to see, but you know, it's you have to
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  Speaker 2: you have to get your eyes on the prize. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you have to actually keep broadening your perspective to to
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  Speaker 2: to what is actually fucking up our countries. And it's
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  Speaker 2: it's still not the right wing. Despite all the ship
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  Speaker 2: that Trump is doing, that all the bad ship that
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  Speaker 2: is happening in America is because of the left wing.
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  Speaker 2: Just despite what what Reform or Restore are talking about doing.
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  Speaker 2: All the bad ship happening in the UK is because
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  Speaker 2: of the left wing. And it's I call it left
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  Speaker 2: wing reductively. But but you know what I'm talking what
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about, it's some fucking there. There are people
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  Speaker 2: who who will There are political tourists, you know, who
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  Speaker 2: who will go from movement to movement because it feels
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  Speaker 2: like the most novel thing And it's hard to tell
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  Speaker 2: them apart when they first get in to it, but
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  Speaker 2: it's yeah, eventually you'll notice them because because because they
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  Speaker 2: just hopped from side to side because they're bored.
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  Speaker 5: It's like it's like it's like being a play runner
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: for people to help the help on to the latest trend.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Then the sad thing is, you know, you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: get you get people who come to the movement that
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: are in crisis as well, and UH, and sometimes they
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: they come in because of an event in their demographic
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: or their community. In twenty eleven, there was an incident
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that has been forever referred to as Elevator Gate, in
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: which a member of the atheist skeptic community UH went
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: on a huge rant about sexism in in the atheist
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: skeptic community.
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: And UH.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: After she gave her speech about this, some guy asked
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: if she would like to talk more about it over coffee.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Really was interested in her ideas, and she took it
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to mean that he was inviting her for romance for
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: lack of a better term, and you know, he didn't
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: he didn't say that, but it was something that she assumed,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and it divided the atheist skeptic community, and we got
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: this influx from the atheist skeptic community into the men's
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: rights movement, and they were fine for a while, and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: then they discovered that there were actually a lot of
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: conservative Christians in the men's rights movement, and there was
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: a knockdown, drag out internet slap fight between the atheists,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: especially the ones I would label anti theists, because there's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: two types. There's people who are are perfectly satisfied to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: just not be involved in religion, and then there's people
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: who get offended that those of us who are religious,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: those of us who are Christian are involved in religion,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and so they get heated. And I had my fair
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: share of arguments with people in that slap fight, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it was essentially, you know, standing my ground for people's
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: right to make their own choices. And I'm not going
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to tell them they can't be a men's rights activist
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: if they're atheist, but they can't tell me, I can't
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you know, push for better law uh and and better
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: policies that are that treat both sexes equally just because
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not atheist. So you know there that that was
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: one of many instances. But so what this this lady
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: is doing when she is condensing the entire movement down
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: to pick up artists and in cells, is she is
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: ignoring most of the issues that men face. Being stuck
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in a position of not being able to make the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: relationship you want with a partner isn't the only issue
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: that men face.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: It's a big issue.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It's contributing to many of the health crises that men
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: are experiencing, including the suicide crisis. But it isn't alone.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It stands right alongside of men losing contact with their
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: children because the court system that favors mothers doesn't protect
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: children's right to be raised by both parents or father's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: right to raise their children and protect and nurture them.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It only protects mothers, and it stands right alone alongside
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: men who go through ordeals where they're dragged through the
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: bowels of the court system for seven years or, in
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the case of one of my friends, twenty years. Because
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: when a woman decides to accuse a man of something
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: that's a violation of any part of the Violence against
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Women Act. If she lies, if the allegation itself is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a lie, is she commits processed crimes like perjury, the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: system is designed so that she can't be held accountable
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: for that, and so there's no deterrent to stop that. So,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: even though the issue of domestic violence affects both sexes,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: when the person making the allegation is a psychopath or
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: a sociopath, or has some other reason why they're lying,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: uniquely in the case of female liars, they get away
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: with it, and the victim of those lies doesn't have
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: any recourse and he might actually go to jail, sometimes
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: for years without having done anything wrong. Like, those issues
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: stand right alongside men's relationship issues, but it's a lot
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: easier for feminists to smear men by holding up a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: few examples from within the relationship issues discussion. And people
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: who consider themselves to be they don't do anything for men,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: but they consider themselves to be men's rights activists, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: really they're white nationalists or you know, like this this
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: individual that she's talking to in the article. When I
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: looked up the account of the first individual that she mentioned,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: he was a pretty obvious troll, not somebody who is
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: engaged in serious discussion trying to solve problems. I didn't
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: see any recent posts in the men Right subreddit that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: were this guy, you know, talking about men's issues and stuff,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and I didn't see any prominent participation at all there
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: with him. So this is somebody. This this individual that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: wrote this, looked for somebody to smear us with, and
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: they won't talk. I guarantee you this article is not
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: going to bring us up much if they talk about
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: us at all. I don't remember seeing us in it
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: when I skimmed it. They're not going to talk about
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: people who write to their legislators and point out that
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: if you incentivize divorce, you get more divorce, and that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it's better to not incentivize divorce in law. They're not
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: going to talk about people who write to their legislators
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and suggest it's very important, given the known benefits of
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: father involvement, that our system not be designed to deter
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: father involvement in a child's life. They're going to write about,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you know, people who are mad that something happened to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: them or something something happened to somebody they know and
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: are going off about it, and they'll take them out
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of context, or they're going to write about trolls, or
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: they're going to write about people who are who have
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a misguided attitude about getting along with other people of
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: different races and decide that that being being unified with
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you know, having a sense of unity with your your roots,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: means that you have to be vain about it and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: angry at everybody else who isn't part of that. And
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: they'll they'll find something that they've said that they might
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: remotely connect with us, and and that's who they'll talk
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: about because they don't want to try to argue with
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: us about the real issues. If they do, they'll expose
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: themselves as antimil bigots who are trying to maintain a
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: system that a lot of grifters are making a lot
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of money on. And for example, in the domestic violence
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: victims advocacy industry, you know, there are shelters that help people,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and then there are organizations that they'll have a shelter
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and they're constantly raising money for it, but the bulk
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of that financing goes to six board members that meet
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: five times a year and don't do anything. And you
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: know you have to be careful with that with any charity,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: but they want to protect the ability to do that
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: because a lot of them make a lot of money
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: off of it. So so that's what we're looking at
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: right here. So when we see this these definitions the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: manisphere is this right, this is what in cells are
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and so on? What we what we read previously after
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the description of the man the sphere and the statement
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: about victimhood and so on. And you notice as you
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: get through go through this article, this is more about
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: poisoning the water and deciding what you're allowed to think
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: about us than it is about giving you information so
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you can decide what you think about us. But I
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: think we stopped last week at the end of this
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: paragraph where they tried to associate us with with a
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: few killers, and we our next bit here is the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: bit about radicalization. And I take issue with the term
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: radicalization too, because that can just be used as a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: thought terminating cliche. Right If all you say is I disagree,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: someone can come back to you and sale it's because
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you're being radicalized.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: It could just be deradicalization. In most cases, that's all
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: We need to deradicalize you.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: We have the right to take your property, money you earned,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: or your car, your house, your land, whatever, if you
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: have any because we're going to give it to Group
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: X that has suffered indignity why throughout their history, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: this is this is to help them get back on
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: their feet. I disagree. Well, you're being radicalized. You've been radicalized, right.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That's you saying no, my boundaries are here, stop and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: them saying, oh, you can't, you can't have boundaries. You're
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: being radicalized.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: So it's similar with misogyny. Right. We get told that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: misogyny is hatred of women. But most of the time,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: when I see somebody called a misogynist, it's because he
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: or she criticized the behavior that men cannot get away
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: with without being criticized. But the person engaging in the
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: behavior was a woman, and since the perpetrator of the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: behavior was female, the criticism is of a woman. Suddenly
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: he's a misogynist or she's a misogynist for saying that,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: even though what's being said ultimately is women cannot have
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: equal accountability to men. And so a lot of these
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: terms that get used against us are thought terminating cliches,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: there may be a logical way to use that term.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: You're radicalized if you start thinking it's okay to engage
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: in violence against other people over mere political disagreement. They're
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: not coming to you and doing things to you. They're
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: not making your house, they're not taking your car, they're
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: not assaulting you in the street, they're not breaking in
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and so on. But you're going to do it because
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you're you're justified, you're on the right side of history.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You've done something to solve a problem, you know whatever,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: When you've bypassed the normal civic means writing to politicians,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: sharing ideas in the public forum, contacting media and getting
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: coverage of the issue, or becoming media and covering it yourself,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and you know you're you're radicalized if you start considering violence,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Like if we decided that instead of having a conference
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: every year and seeing what ways we in our communities
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: could could help men, if we decided we're going to
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: take to the streets and set fire to neighborhoods as
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Antifa has done, we would be that would be radicalization.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But we get called radicalized. We get called radicalized for
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: suggesting that if something is a heinous act that men
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: should never get away with doing, then women shouldn't get
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: away with it either. That's that's what we get called
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: radicalized for it.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Nor should the men who have been recruited into women's
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: emotional manipulation. Yeah, which covers quite a lot of things
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: more than than seem intuitive.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're an adult, you should not let another
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: adult talk you into doing something stupid, even if they're
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: very persuasive, very attractive, you know, and so on. Just
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: like it's not possible for a woman or a man
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to be groomed into a relationship or into sex, but
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: women do often claim that they have been groomed into No,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: not if you're an adult. If you're a kid, that's different.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Kids are not emotionally or psychologically mature enough to handle
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: any kind of discussion like that. They can't fight back
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: intellectually if somebody's conning them. An adult can A capable
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: adult can do that. But so again, like as I,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: as I look at this, radicalization is another buzzword that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: it just means what they want it to meet in
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: the moment. So she says, I wanted to meet in
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: real life the men who post misogyny online to understand
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: their hatred. So this tells you the outlook she had
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: when she went looking for the people she was going
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: to meet with, and and then when she talked to them,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: she was already she already had a bias, she'd already
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: made her decision, and she already knew what she was
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: going to tell you about them. Uh. And starting out,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: she went with alex alex is on Reddit as fems
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: are the gender KKK.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: MH, well.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: That's fair, that's a fair name. Fems are the gender
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: KKK is a is commentary on feminism.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And the reason that a lot of men's rights activists
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: compare feminists to the KKK is because they support yeah,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: because they are the KKK. They support a lynch mob
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: style of behavior of a response to accusations against men.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: In theory, they're the same. But the KKK only existed
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: for a few decades before they got asses handed to them.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: They're kind of a joke now.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And they were never able to enter, you know, political discourse,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: let alone political power. Feminists came on the scene and
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: they were immediately ushered into political discourse and political power
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: by the It's the difference between a kitten and a
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: fucking lion. Feminism is the lion.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: By the Rockefellers too, by the way Ford Foundation, the Rockefellers,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you know, several very wealthy organizations started by highly successful individuals.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: The KKK historically, they had their power in segments of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the United States for a long time. And you can
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: trace the origins of the Democrat Party back to the KKK.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: It it's not that the KKK started the Democrat Party,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: but the people who started the Democrat Party and the
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: people who were members of the KKK in the South,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: if you did a ven diagram, it would almost be
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: all the same color and there you wouldn't be able
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to see very much that wasn't overlap, and that was
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that was then. Now the KKK is a laughing stock.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: The Democrat Party is kind of a laughing stock right
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: now too. So you have sort of a little combination there.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: The Republican parties now far behind it, just they have
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to get their act together. They have to decide whether
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: they're going the the old guard, that the root of
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the old guard that was establishment Republican Party, or whether
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: they're going the with the new guard, that is the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: tear down the system and rebuild it wing of the party,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: because that's the ones that are having success right now.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So we'll see who who comes out on top of
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that wrestling match. Probably within the next ten years or so,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: one part of that party is likely to either be
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: eliminated or break off and form another party.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Can we go ahead and can we go ahead? Can
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: we go ahead and call feminism the f FF the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: feminism fuckery fura whatever it is?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: How about we just how about we just call them feminists.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's an ideology, right, and they have a dogma.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: They have their belief that the evolution of law and
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: policy throughout history around the relationship between the household and
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the government and and the cultural standard that the father
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: and husband of the household was the head of the
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: household and was the shield between the rest of the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: family and the government, that that oppressed women. And they
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: have this storyline that men did that solely to oppress
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: and control women, and not for any degree of protection
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of women and children, not to facilitate, you know, women's
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: role as mothers and wives, but just to oppress them,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: which I think is bologney. I've always thought that was bolooney.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: But that's an ideology because they have that type of belief.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: They have a moral and ethical code, which I also
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: disagree with because their ethical code treats it as less
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: of an evil to do harm to male human beings
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: than to female human beings, and less of a boon
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: in society to help male human beings than to help
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: female human beings. And I think it's it's just as
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: important to help both sexes, and it's just as evil
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: to harm both sexes. It doesn't matter what the person's
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: demographics are. I don't care where you came from. I
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: don't care what your beliefs are, what you do in
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: your life. Doing harm is the same and helping someone
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: genuine help is the same for everybody in terms of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: good or evil. But that's their code, and they do
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: have one.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Right they have.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: You could almost call them a religion, because the patriarchy
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: theory treats men like they're both God and the devil.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: But it's more like a cult. Right, And so while
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: they're calling us an ideology, and they refer to sell
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: ideology even though in cells mostly just talk about their
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: circumstances and how they feel about them, feminists do have
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: an ideology, and uh, I think it's one that is
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: harmful and dangerous. It hinders both sexes.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And it extends from them cells to whatever the word
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: is for women who are who are having all the
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: sex they ever wanted from all the six inches and
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the six figurers and the sex packers, but they're still
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: but they're still feminists one.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: So if them cells, they can get the sex state
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: they want, but they can't get the men that they
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: want to cut to commit.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the main problem with themselves.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is an issue. And and if
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you if you start competing based for for attention from
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: men based on things official things like just how they
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: look or just how much money they make and things
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: like that, you end up in that situation you're gonna
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: compete with all the other women who are superficial about
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: their relationship standards.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: So yeah, uh, fem cells.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: It's it's hard to call them involuntary because they they're
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: in their situation because they have toxic standards. It's toxic
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to ignore the important things that you need to build
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a relationship with somebody and only look at superficial details.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: But so when we look at this alex is on
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: on Reddit as fem's are the gender kkk this, he
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: tells me, stands for feminists or the gender ku klux Klan.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: She she won't analyze this right, She won't say what
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: this means to her or whether she agrees or disagrees
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: with it. She just puts that out there. We mess
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: John Reddit then speak on discord, a platform first built
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to help gamers communicate, but which is now used for
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: other purposes. It was instrumental in organizing these Charlottesville Unite
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the Right white nationalists rally in twenty seventeen, and the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian military uses it to direct attacks against Russia. I'm
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: not quite sure why she felt it was necessary to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: mention both of those. Actually, the only thing I can
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: think of was the Charlottesville thing is poisoning the water.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And I guess she thinks the Ukrainian military's use of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: it redeems it. But I mean it is a widely
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: used platform for a lot of different things. In fact,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: we're using it, and if somebody does happen to send
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: us a superchow, I will be reading it from a
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: discord chat. So, and we started the show bye by
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: entering a website that we link to each other in
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: a discord chat. So there you go. But it's not
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  Speaker 1: something that is ideological like discord doesn't. You're not limited
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  Speaker 1: to where you know, you have to be from a
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  Speaker 1: particular group of people to have a discord. You say that, now, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they could change, right, change.
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  Speaker 4: That's gonna that's gonna change in March anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you have to give your idea in the UK, now,
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  Speaker 1: don't you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't have any idea.
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  Speaker 5: Also, the passport change is going to come in next
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  Speaker 5: off as well. So if you're born born national, you
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: might get rejected.
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  Speaker 4: So I might. They might deport me.
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  Speaker 1: Now where would they send you.
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  Speaker 4: Back to Jamaica properly?
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  Speaker 1: That's that's different. How long have you lived in the UK.
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  Speaker 5: Since I was born? So I was born here in
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: eighty five. My mom came here in sixty six.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that what they're criticizing the idea?
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  Speaker 2: I think you'll be fine.
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  Speaker 1: So they're mad that we don't want that our country.
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  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say we, but that in in my country.
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  Speaker 1: In the United States, there is consideration of the idea
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: that giving birth to a baby in the United States
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't necessarily automatically make the baby, and therefore the mother
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  Speaker 1: a US citizen. The whole world is shaming us for that,
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  Speaker 1: just for considering that. Maybe you know, if somebody illegally
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: immigrates here or over visa and then gives birth here,
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  Speaker 1: that giving birth here doesn't automatically give them the ability
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  Speaker 1: to be a citizen. But the UK is going to
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  Speaker 1: do that, and the UK is one of the countries
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  Speaker 1: that's shaming as for it.
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  Speaker 2: And then they're not going to use it to crack
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  Speaker 2: down on migrants, not even second generation migrants or even
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  Speaker 2: third generation migrants, because we know how the UK works.
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  Speaker 2: The UK. The UK government is only going to crack
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  Speaker 2: down on British people of those of various demographics I
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: outlined just now, namely men, white men, suspended men, straight men,
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  Speaker 2: and Christian men. They're going to make exceptions for anyone
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: who doesn't fall into those categories. And you know, maybe, uh,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: maybe they'll maybe they will crack down on the likes
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  Speaker 2: of meat and they'd be like, no, we have to
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: deport this doctor, random cam fellow. And then I'll be like, well, well,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: are you going to deport me to Connecticut? Hopefully yes,
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  Speaker 2: please do deport me to the United States. That would
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: solve a shetload of problems for me.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go. Well, if they started doing that, when
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you be considered politically or persecuted at that point
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  Speaker 1: in time. I think that's one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: qualifies you to file refugee status.
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  Speaker 2: I would hope so, because it takes fucking years to
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: actually migrate to the United States along of the usual
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  Speaker 2: legal lines. So yeah, please please do British government fucking
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  Speaker 2: fast track me there we go to the United States.
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  Speaker 1: We'll tell you, I hate to see people having to
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  Speaker 1: leave their home land, but I know that it's not
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  Speaker 1: the way that it was before. It's changed.
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  Speaker 5: But plus, my family wrote my family is the wind
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  Speaker 5: Rush generation, so we were caught up in the wind
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  Speaker 5: rush scandal as well. Now see my uncle, so back
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  Speaker 5: in the fortiest the government advertised a lot of jobs
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  Speaker 5: in Jamaica for to come to come over here for
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  Speaker 5: the jobs off of the World War two. Mm hmm,
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  Speaker 5: and a lot of they were like grandfather that a
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: lot of Jamaicans were. Grandfather didn't they didn't get the
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  Speaker 5: papers sorted in time. So what my uncle had to
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  Speaker 5: do he had to go all his papers sorted out
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  Speaker 5: and he lost he lost his pension, but he got
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  Speaker 5: it back eventually because he was he came over here
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  Speaker 5: during the during the during the fifties. Same thing with
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: my stepdad. Same thing with my stepdad as well. If
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: it wasn't the four trip to France in the seventies,
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: he would have faced the same play as his.
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  Speaker 1: Brother, which was having to go back to Jamaica.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, he's told out. He thought about all his
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  Speaker 5: paperwork in England. I see so on the on the
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: fret on the threat of going back to Jamaica. But
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  Speaker 5: by the time, because he's in his eighties, he's in
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  Speaker 5: the seventies now. So if it was if it was
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  Speaker 5: to go back to Jamaica, he wouldn't know anybody. He
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: would have had a family of in Jamaica.
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  Speaker 1: And no support system at seventy years old.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it'll be quite a thing to do to somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Which this is one of the reasons why I like
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  Speaker 1: even though I'm I'm in my stands. People told people
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: may stands before on borders, I think that you don't
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: if you don't have borders, you don't have a country, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you should be able to know who's coming into
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  Speaker 1: your country, and you should be able to like we've had.
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  Speaker 1: I had a neighbor that put MS thirteen gang graffiti
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  Speaker 1: all over the apartment complex where I live last year,
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  Speaker 1: and uh the year before, and so so this wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just it's something that I'm talking about. You know this
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  Speaker 1: this happened out in you know, some other state. No,
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  Speaker 1: this was in my backyard. We didn't ever taken away
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: by ice that had things on his electronic devices that
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: were so vile and and graphic and disgusting that I
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: think if I described them on YouTube, our channel would
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: get banned. And this was it was just disgusting, and
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: this was criminal activity. It wasn't just drugs. This was
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: abuse of human beings and animals, and it was This
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  Speaker 1: is something that you know, I'm I'm versed in because
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: it happened close by, right, And I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: any nation is wrong to say we do not want
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  Speaker 1: people coming into our country and committing horrific crimes while
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  Speaker 1: they're here. We don't want people coming into our country
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  Speaker 1: and hurting people. And we don't want people bringing children
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  Speaker 1: into our country and selling them to criminals in our
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  Speaker 1: country to enslave them. None of those things should be happening.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't change the fact that we're going to have immigration,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a good thing that we have people coming
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  Speaker 1: into our country who want to be here because they
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: want to contribute as part of the country, contribute to
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  Speaker 1: our culture and be neighbors. And I have some great
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: neighbors that are legal immigrants, first generation legal immigrants, who
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: are just absolutely livid that our neighborhood got flooded with
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: people who came with the caravans and when they saw
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  Speaker 1: that graffiti. I lost neighbors because they moved away because
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: they were scared. They knew who those people were, and
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: they fled the neighborhood. They were afraid they might get murdered. Right,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: that's a very complex discussion, But for Pete's sake, if
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: somebody's been in a nation from birth and they don't
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: speak a language of the nation of their parents' origin,
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  Speaker 1: and they have a support system here and would be
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: going to where there's no support system, or they're elderly
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: or things like that, those are things. Those are considerations
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  Speaker 1: that should protect an individual from being sent away into
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: an environment where they're going to suffer or die because
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: of their circumstances. And that's again, you know, we talk
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: about these things from a men's rights perspective. But it
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether that individual is male or female, old
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  Speaker 1: or young. You know, whether they're able bodied or disabled.
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  Speaker 1: If you're going to put them into a bad situation
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: after a lifetime here or a lifetime in the UK,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that's abuse. We ought to be able to keep gang
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  Speaker 1: members out of the country without abusing people who like you,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: have no control Richard, over you being in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't come to the UK against you know, somebody
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: else's will, deliberately if you were here from birth. You know,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: if you're there from birth, you're a little young to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: be making deliberate choices. I mean, it sounds like your
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: your folks were kind of scammed.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: But uh yeah, that's that's crazy.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: We did get a super chows.
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  Speaker 5: It's the biggest scandal a few years ago into the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I hope they don't do that to you. I
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  Speaker 1: really hope they don't do that to you. That's insane.
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  Speaker 5: What looks what possible needs for you and they came in,
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  Speaker 5: They've got a new law in place.
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  Speaker 4: I need to do more research about it.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, your support network should be helping you with that
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  Speaker 1: as well. Uh, Meredith G sent us five dollars and said,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: HBr talked three ninety honey for the Badgers. That's uh,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Meredith G are top g usually sends us a comment
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Uh, But but yeah, I I
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  Speaker 1: hope that it's hard to expect governments to get their
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: heads on straight with with regard to that, but I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: certainly hope that they do when when they're looking at
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: how they're treating the elderly, people with disabilities, people who've
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: had a lifetime in a nation that speaks English and
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: they're thinking of sending them to a nation where there
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: are many people who don't. A large, large portion of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the culture is built around an alternative to English that
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: they don't have, whether you know it's another complete language
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: or whether it's a dialect that you wouldn't understand, Like
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: that's just that's just wrong.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't understand patrol anyway.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, that's exactly what I mean right there. Heck,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I know people, or have known people rather that were
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: born and raised in the United States and fluent in
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Spanish in the United States that if they went to
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the country of their ancestry and tried to speak Spanish
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: there that nobody would understand them. And I mean there
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: are parts of the UK, like you know, I often
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: have trouble understanding your accent, Richard. And sometimes we get
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: our slang terms mixed up.
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  Speaker 3: Between the US.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: And it's not just you. When I went to ICMI
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: sixteen and ICMI eighteen in the UK, I had asked
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of people to repeat themselves. But we're both
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: we're all speaking English. It's just we're speaking I'm speaking Ohio.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: And you know, people in the UK are speaking various
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: dialects from all over the UK, and sometimes if I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: go to different parts of the US, I don't understand
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the language. Like I had a customer that that was
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a bit more Southern in his origin than Ohio come
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: into my convenience store where I worked years ago, and
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: he says to me, so wrong your iron machine. And
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know what he's talking about.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: We don't, we don't. I don't have an iron machine.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what an iron machine does, Like
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: what is it? Is it a machine made of iron?
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: So I looked at him, I was like, can can
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: you say that again? I didn't understand, so more slowly
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: a little bit more slowly, but not much more slowly.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: He says, strong your iron machine, what the okay you know?
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm not trying to play dumb, I
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: really don't understand what you're saying to me. And finally
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I asked him, you know, what does the iron machine do?
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: And he goes, you use it to put iron in
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: your tars. And it took me a split second before
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: I went, oh, hair in your tires. He's asking me
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: what's wrong with the air machine? And it's a different
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: accent in the same country. I had zero understanding until
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I asked him what it did, and of course he
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: thought I was an idiot, But you know, that's that's it.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: We speak American English and in various parts of the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: country that doesn't even mean the same thing.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Ironically, despite the fact that if you travel one hundred
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: miles in any direction in Britain, they have a completely
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: different accent, we can still understand each other and if
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: you ask me, if you ask me, you can identify
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: how British someone is more by their voice than by
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: their appearance. Now this doesn't work universally. You have the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: likes of ash Sakha, who is a bank Ladeshi immigrant,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: but she sounds like someone who was educated in Oxford.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: And to some degree you can, because as you are
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: integrated into Britain, you develop the accent of the British
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: and and to that degree you can sort because it's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: difficult to fake unless you're particularly good at accents like theater,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: kids like me are quite good at doing. But another
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: way of ascertaining it, it's that the devotion given person
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: has to any given country. You could Ash, You could
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: ask ash Saka who to whose country she is the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: most devoted and she will say, in a perfect Oxford accent,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Bangladesh boys, we're winning boys, and and and today you
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: can go, oh, okay, well, I guess it doesn't matter
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: what your accent is. You're a traitor to the country
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: in which you currently reside. But yeah, it it still stands.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: This is me trying not to be racist, because, as
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: I keep saying, your voice and your accent has nothing
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: to do with race. Your voice and your accent is
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: something almost entirely culturally defined and and and and this
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: is a good way of pulling it apart because like
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: fifty percent of people who live in London do not
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: speak in an English accent. They talk in this I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: believe it's called roadman accent. And and and if upon
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: interviewing such a person, it kind of doesn't it kind
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: of doesn't matter what questionnaire they can answer when it
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: comes to the history of England. If you're taught like that, right,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: if you like that's that's a pretty good indicat that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: that you're only sub English. And if you can't even
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: talk in the English language, then it doesn't really even
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: matter what your accent is. You kind of you definitely
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: don't belong here. And it's much the same in the
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: United States, because God bless you, you're still talking English
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: because it is the best language. And and and if
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: someone gets there, and and and they can't even talk
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: in an accent that can be understood by the majority
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: of Americans. If you can't even talk in the English language,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: then you don't belong there. And it doesn't matter what
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: color your skin is, It doesn't matter what your physiognomy
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: is in in terms of what what what race you
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: look like?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: The history of people that don't speak English and being here,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: my here, but you know, it's it's still the main
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: language in the country. And usually people who immigrate here
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: to stay will do their best to learn it. But
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's the second generation and not the first generation
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: that picks it up the best. But in any case,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: you know it is it can be quite a barrier.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: One of my childhood friends, his mom was unable to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: learn to speak English, but she could speak American sign language,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: and so it gave her the ability to speak to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: some people in the community who couldn't speak Spanish. But
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of times her kids had to translate for her.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: And it's a rough situation, and it's ideal for people
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: to be able to in their community. When you want
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: to go into a store and you want to go
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: up to say the butcher counter and order something, that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: to be able to speak and the butcher understands you.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: And I always realized it was a bit of a disadvantage,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: but I never really got it until I went with
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: my mom to our sister city in Japan as an ambassador,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and I don't speak Japanese. We had a we had
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: have a translator, and uh, like, I only speak English,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: that's the only language that I speak, and I only
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: speak really the American version of it. I keep learning
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: new words when I UH when I speak to people
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: from England or learning new meanings for words that I
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: thought I understood. But Uh, in Japan, we were we
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: were at a hotel overnight and we needed a medication
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: and over the counter medication, and uh. The hotel was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: in an airport and we had how we had to
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: go down into the airport and try to buy from
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: a vendor. And the vendor did not speak English because
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: they were in Japan. They spoke Japanese. We didn't speak
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Japanese because we were from Ohio. We spoke English, and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: so we had to use hand gestures and the very
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: few words that seem to be understood by people all
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: over the world that you know, even if they don't
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: speak English, to try to to get.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: What we needed.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: And it was it was amazing how crippling that was.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: As the minute you can't communicate. But I mean, you know,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: English and English are not the same language either. There's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: at least one racial slur in English English that sounds
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: like you're asking somebody if they have dined yet in
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: American English. So I had somebody say, UH say that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: to me one day, Uh in conversation, and I am,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: you know, no, I haven't I haven't had lunch yet.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: And they just looked at me like I was nuts.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: So wait what Yeah, my In my neighborhood, if someone
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: says geet, it's usually in a sentence followed by the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: word yet get yet. No, No, I haven't eaten yet.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: What do you want to get? You know? And it's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a slur, because that's not
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: something that we say around here.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not it's it's it's like, it's like,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: it's a too syllable but I don't know what it means.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's a word, yeah,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: the six word phrase that is expressed in English in
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: a too syllable word joy.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I've had conversations like that where somebody says
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: that's something, and I'll answer what it sounds like to me,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and and they have no idea why I didn't understand
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: what they just said. So, but none of that has
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: anything to do with Discord other than the fact that
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Discord the UK is about to screw up discord because
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: everybody is going to be considered teenagers until we give
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: them personally identifying information that can be used to steal
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: our bank accounts, which I'm not doing. So if they
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: want to call me a teenager, that's fine. I'll be
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: a I'll be a fifty three year old teenager. But
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: so Alex here, she's she's going to she's gonna dismantle
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Alex on a discord voice call, Alex sounds harsh and paranoid.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: He's concerned. He says that speaking to me is giving
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the enemy, the feminist ammunition. This indicates that he knows
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: that she's about to do a hit piece on him.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: That's when you're in that situation, the best thing to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: do is not talk to the media. You have if
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: you're going to talk to the media, record the entire conversation.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Make sure they know you're recording. But do record, of
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: course with me. That resulted in the media not using
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: my portion of an interview that they did of the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: attendees of a conference for a hit piece they were
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: doing on the movement. I was the only person that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Jeff Charlotte interviewed for GQ magazine and then didn't include
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: in his article because I had the ability to prove
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: what I actually said versus what he was telling people.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody said, and that article contains multiple lies in it
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: about claims of things that people said. So I'm kind
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: of glad I recorded, and I am. I let him
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: know I recorded too. We were in Michigan, and I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's a two party state or a
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: one party state. But always, always when you're talking to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the media, be recording. But he agrees to meet me,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: she says, because he has a perspective he needs the
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: world to hear. Outside Blackburn Station, he looks mild and apprehensive,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: apprehensive around forty years old, with intense blue eyes and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: fading hair. We walk through an empty retail park, past
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: sprawling gray homeware stores and gems, to pizza hut, where
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: we've agreed to have lunch. This is a very feminine
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: writing style, by the way, I don't usually see this
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: in news articles from male writers. It's the It creates
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: a mood and it sort of characterizes the person a
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: little bit. Alex is a radical. I reject objectification, he says,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: almost immediately. I reject the term misogyny. It's a feminist
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: hate dog whistle. So again, there's no she's not giving
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: any reason why that makes him radical. It's not giving
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: any reason why he's wrong in her mind to reject
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: these things. She's just putting it out there. He's a radical.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: These are the things that make him a radical. Objectification
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: is the feminist term for viewing someone specifically with sexual
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: ideas in mind, basically treating someone as a sexy person,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: or treating someone as a person that you would want
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: to flirt with or have sex with which they're a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: little bit obsessed with that. They use the term sex
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: object and as a means of indicating that the individual
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: with this perspective doesn't see the individual they're looking at
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: in this manner as a human being, but as an
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: object that they can use. But when you get into
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: descriptions that they give of the behaviors, the speech patterns
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: and thought patterns around it, they're not talking about objects.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: The people are not talking about others as objects. They're
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: talking about others as people. And what they're talking about
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: wanting is aspects of romantic relationships. It's not It's another
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: one that bugs me, right, it's a thought terminating cliche.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: And men and women both do this. Men and women
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: both look at each other this way. Men and women
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: both think about each other this way, and women they're
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: way of engaging with each other. Interacting with each other
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: is affected by it and colored by it, and men
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: and women, as adults, you know, learn to control their impulses.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: So even if you have thoughts or ideas, it doesn't
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: necessarily mean you act on them. And even you know,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: those thoughts and ideas might be limited to smaller groups
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: of people. You may interact with people of the opposite
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: sex all the time and never think of them that way,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: But somebody that comes along and presents in a particular
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: manner that strikes a chord with you, and then you
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: might view them that way. But when you talk to
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: feminists about this, or when you listen to what feminists
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: have to say about it, it all gets lumped in
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: as a means of belittling and looking down on someone
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: when the looker is a man and the looked at
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: person is a woman. But they don't want to do
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: the same thing when the looker is a woman and
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: the looked out person or looked at person as a man.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: And like I said before, misogyny gets mostly used to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: as a thought terminating cliche where you know this this
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: for instance, this, this use of radical alex is a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: radical for rejecting these two feminist concepts. She would call
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: him a misogynist as well for rejecting feminism, but she
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't call herself a missandrist for rejecting men's human rights activism.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: About ten years ago, Alex started to think men were mistreated.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: And again this is this is very careful phrasing. About
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: ten years ago, Alex started to think that men were mistreated.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: He heard people talk about male violence and found it insulting.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: So she immediately went to that it's deeply fucking offensive
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: to be quite frank, me being told I'm responsible for
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: the violence of other men, he says. When Alex warms
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: to a theme, he talks faster and louder and vibrates
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: with anger, like he's orating from his pizza hut pulpit.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: So notice what she did there. He started to say
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: something that is reasonable and rational here, And so what
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: she did was describe him in a way that makes
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: him seem laughable in order to distract you from the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: fact that why would you say somebody is responsible for
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: somebody else's violence.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: She had to.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: She couldn't argue with what he said, so she used
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: an ad hominem attack. He leans forward. Should I tell
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: you to take response ability for other women and stop
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: killing children? Fucking absurd? He has tomato sauce around his mouth. Okay,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: so you know this paragraph is the reason why I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: picked a story pro abortion. Women have made abortion being
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: aborted the leading cause of human death in the world.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: Abortions outnumber This is elective abortions, by the way, not
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you know, the mom's gonna die and the baby's gonna
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: die and we can save one of them. This is,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: you know, she just doesn't want to have a baby, right,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: They've made they've made that number so high worldwide that worldwide,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: it outnumbers cardiac deaths. It outnumbers deaths from pulmonary causes,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: It outnumbers strokes. It outnumbers poverty, starvation, war, any disease
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: you can name, including cancer. So, if somebody was going
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: to generalize to an entire sex, if you look at
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: criminal violence, less than one tenth of one percent of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: the world population are perpetrators of criminal violence. But the
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: leading cause of human death in the world is being
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: aborted during gestation. Now, don't I don't feel responsible for
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: other women choosing that, especially after thirty years of pro
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: life activism.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: And donating to.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Abortion alternative organizations that help women that you know, choose
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: to keep their baby that they know. They get clothes
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: for the baby, they get food, they get help finding
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: a job, they can get education, help with an education
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: so that they're not stuck relying on tax dollars to
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: support their lifestyle. I don't feel responsible for that, and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think a man should feel responsible for somebody
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: else's crimes either. But this woman writing this article could
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: not make an argument as to why she thinks they should.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: All she could do was paint Alex as a clown
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: in the most mundane, mundane terms that she could possibly
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: come up with. I find that absurd and offensive. I mean, like,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: that's what we're dealing with, right when you hear you
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: read stories about the manisphere, that's.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: The whole manisphere, and then they do.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Something like this, watch for this stuff. Keep in mind,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: are you being manipulated? Are you being told something about us?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Or are you being given evidence so that you can
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: judge us on your own? The average person is a
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: missandrist Alex informs me, both men and women hate men.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Feminism is the most successful hate movement to exist ever,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: he says, there's loads of radical feminists cackling like hyenas
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: in glee at the Ukraine war and hoping it spreads
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: so men in the West will get drafted and die.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Where's the lie? Someone tell me where the lie is.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: It's funny because when I found this, I had just
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: had an argument on x with a lady who was
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: really deeply offended that there were there were men talking about,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: you know, hoping that this war would end because there
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: are men being drafted and dying. There are men in
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Ukraine being drafted and dying, and there are men in
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Russia being drafted and dying, and there are men from
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: other countries that are volunteering. They don't even have to
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: get drafted. They get called into it, they get caught
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: up in it and conned into it, and they're dying
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: and it's horrific war. The best thing that can happen
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: in a war is for it to be over right.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: But she was mad because she thought it was it
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: was misogynistic that they only cared about the men. Well,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: the women have been displaced and the women have lost
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: their families. Yes, that's true, and we feel sorry for them.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: But the issue that we're talking about is conscription, and
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: outside of a handful of countries in the world, women
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: don't get conscripted, so they're not part of the discussion.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: They might be part of the discussion as in, we
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: don't support doing this to the men in our lives.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: We care more about them than to support something like that.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: But they're not the victims in this situation.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: It's not that quote by I forget who it was.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: It might have been Virginia Wolf. Men are afraid that
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: will kill them. Well, yeah, it's maybe men ought to
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: be afraid that they will fucking die in a war
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: that women voted for.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. And and women never have to really consider
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: whether or not that might happen to them, unless, again,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: they're one of the from one of the handful of
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: countries where women get conscripted.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: And even in.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Those countries, men still face a harsher environment. They still
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: have duties in the military that women do not. It's
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: not equal anywhere, actually, whether whether you're you're in one
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: of the nations that has society wide like there are
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: some nations that you when you graduate from the public
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: education system, you have a certain number of years of
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: public service that are militarized, varying degrees of militarization. Anyway, Oh,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: we just get a tornado watch. I hope that's not
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: giving me. Last year when it did this, it was
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: giving tornado watches, giving me tornado watches from uh cold water.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: But no, this says Dayton. Okay, that's great, all right?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Can we Brian? Are you still there? We can we
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: carry on this show without how I don't mean that.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it'll be fine.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: All right, I am here, can you hear me?
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, good?
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: I uh.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: I went to unplug my power cord and it I
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: I hit my my headphones. I unplugged a power cord
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: so I can just run off toward the safe spot
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: with the computer. So I'm walking now. It's huh oh yeah,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: it's fully charged, just be plugged up until right now.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: So there's probably not gonna be a tornado. Most of
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: the time when we have a tornado watch, it does
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: not hit where I am. But we did actually have
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: an F three go directly over the apartment one time,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: and actually one of my stupid moments the skill at all. Yes,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: the storm was really quiet, it wasn't coming down, you know, heavy,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: there were no there was no hail, There were no
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: evidences that we usually see or that I'm used to
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: seeing when a tornado has hit an area where I was,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: which you know, when I was growing up, I grew
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: up in northwestern Ohio instead of southwestern Ohio, so like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: we'd get f ones, we geft, Who's that's about it,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: aside from the F five that hit Van worked. But
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: then in twenty nineteen on Memorial Day, we were filming
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: outside because it was really interesting, very big differences in
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the way the clouds looked, and you know, things that
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: are evidence that a tornado is probably happening close by,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: but just not the ones that I was really used to.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: And the lightning was pretty interesting, or you know, We're
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: filming out the front door into the parking lot area
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm like painting back and forth, and then I
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: heard I heard the sound of the tornado. So I'm like,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: all right, we were gonna have to mosey into the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: bathroom because there's there's one probably within a mile of us.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I can hear it. And so my husband and my
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: son and I started heading toward the bathroom, and all
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, after we had shut the door, we
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: start walking. My ears pop and I turned into a
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: trill sergeant, now go shoving both of the guys and
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: my husband was like, what are you doing? You know,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: shoved me in first, and we just barely got the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: door shut when it through the base of our We
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: have a little greenhouse out in our back patio. It
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: takes up like the entire back patio area and uh
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: but it's not a big area, and it has four
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: by four boards as its base, and it threw that
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: up against the side of the apartment loudly. And that's
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: that's the only thing really that we lost was that,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: and it was it's plastic. There wasn't something. You know,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: we really lucked out because if that had if we'd
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: still had the door open, we'd have gotten sucked outside
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: for sure. But never do that, guys. That was really dumb.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: And I put the video on Twitter the next day
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of local news agencies contacted me
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: and asked if they could use it, and I said, sure,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: but only if you tell people this video shouldn't exist
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: because I should have already been in our safe spot
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: because I don't want anybody else doing this because they
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: see this and it looks cool. You can see the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: F three tornado. When I went back and looked at it,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: there was just one lightning flash where you can identify
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: the funnel cloud. It was rain wrapped and it was
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: already over the military base, so it was way less
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: than a mile away. Uh. And like I said, it
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: was three seconds away. So so that was bad. But
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: we lucked out, you know. And uh, and we did
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: not We did not die in the tornado. Everybody else
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: that got hit the area was so bad. Trotwood looked
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: like it had been carpet bombed. And uh, there were
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: parts of Beaver Creek also that looked like they had
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: had bombs dropped on them. Most of my route to
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: and from a couple of the different houses that I've
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: worked at, uh just were was completely blocked off, completely demolished.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: And uh that was that was a heck of a thing.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: So when what we had happened, we had a piece
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: of plastic that we could replace got torn up. But
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: areas you know, to the to the west of US,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: to the south of US, to the east of US,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: and to the north of US, there was a there
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: was a death here. There was a death in Salina
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: and h there were a lot of people that just
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: completely lost their homes, and there were there were like
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: seven tornadoes bouncing around the Miami Valley at the time.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: So even though I'm probably not gonna get hit tonight,
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: there's probably not gonna be anything. Come here, I'm gonna
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: sit here on the floor in the bathroom and finish
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: this live stream because I'm not taking that stupid chance again.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: You get lucky, you get to get lucky once and
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: then after that you have to be smart or else.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Well, thank thank god, we have women protecting you from
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: these tornadoes.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with their with their tornado shield was that's that's
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: what we need tornado shield laws for. It's illegal for
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: the tornado to strike my apartment complex or anybody else
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: that I care about. So that pretty much covers the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: entire world. No more tornadoes, guys. I solved it. We
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: just outlaw them. So let's see.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: He goes on.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Dating is a big part of the problem. Alex thinks
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: women practice something called hypergamy, selecting men who are richer,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: more successful, or more powerful than them. Men have to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: earn status for romance. That's how women set it up.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Because women actually control relationships. And again, where is the lie.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: If you went back before the existence of romantic chivalry,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: that might be a different story. His families controlled relationships
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: for the most part back then. But when it's individual
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: to individual and men do control relationships, we're the ones
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: whose approval gets sought, We're the ones who get asked out.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: We're the ones who mistakenly think that we don't have
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: to bring anything to the table because we are the table.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, there are a lot of women who think
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: that the only thing that they need to consider in
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: a relationship is how much does he make, and how
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: how powerful is he socially right, or how how much
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: business does he control? And that's probably part of the
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: reason why the divorce rate has gone up so high.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not a thing, it's not none of this exists.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, see again, she makes no argument here, She doesn't
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: say anything. She just says, Alex thinks the problem that
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: women practice something called hypergamy. It's which she puts in
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: quotes quotes as if it's not a word that has existed.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Then she says in the next paraph the idea of
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: hypergamy dates back three thousand years to this the rest
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: or cast system.
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  Speaker 2: Three thousand years by us. Try a million years. Try Ever,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: since it's fucking single cell organisms divided into male and females.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have. You have different cultures doing things different ways, right, uh?
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: In in a lot of Eastern culture. Where in in
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: the Hindu culture, if I understand correctly, the idea of
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: a dowry is different than it is in Western culture,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: and it's for different reasons. But there was oh gosh,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: this is shaw is his name has talked about this
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: and I listened to his his stream on this. There
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: there are two distinctly different ways that male female relationships, courtships,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: marriages and everything had been handled with regard to what
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: value someone brings into a family. And it depends on
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: what the culture expects of a wife. So if a
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: wife is expected to be a part of the family business, basically,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: you know, historically families there weren't there wasn't welfare, there
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: weren't you didn't go someplace and get a job. You
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: your family ran a bakery, or your family were sheep
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: herders or had had a farm, or you know, your
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: family was mostly military or you know, things like that.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: If the women were expected to be an integral part
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: of that where their labor contributed to the gaining of
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: resources and the family the bride price. The dowry was
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: what the groom paid to the father of the bride
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: for taking one of the workers from his family. But
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: in historical cultures where the wife was not supposed to,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: you know, not expected to contribute in that manner, then
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: the bride was expected to bring money into the relationship
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: with her, So she would bring a dowry when she
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: got married, and usually her father paid it to the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: groom so that you know, he was not sending his
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: daughter in to weigh the groom down economically, and in
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: that way, you know, he didn't have to worry that
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: his daughter was going to starve. And so there's in
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: both instances, you know you would want if you were
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: part of a family that you're going to lose a
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: worker and you're you're arranging a marriage and you're trying
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: to in a lot of those old circumstances, you're trying
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: to build an alliance with some other family with a
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: similar type of business to yours, or a related type
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: of business to yours. Oh, you you make cloth from wool?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Guess what we're sheep hurders. Let's uh, let's make an
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: arrangement here. You know, something along those lines, not quite
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: necessarily that, but something along those lines. You would want
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: to maximize how much you would get from the groom,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: and in order to do that, you're going to look
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: for a more successful room. Right. But if you were
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: sending your daughter, you've been support and taking care of her,
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: and you're sending her out in the world to be
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: married to someone else, and that guy is going to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: be supporting her and taking care of her now from
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: now on, and you're not, You're going to look for
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: the best guy for that job too. So when families
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: controlled relationships, when courtship was you ask the father for
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: permission to court the daughter, and for permission to ask
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: the daughter's hand in marriage and so on. Getting dad's
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: approval pretty much created hypergamy. Women didn't necessarily approve create that,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: but they most certainly approved it, because who wants to
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: marry into a situation where they're going to struggle more
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: than they did before they got married. You want to
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: struggle less. You want to have your ducks in a
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: row and have a good life with your partner.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: And I presume. I presume a lot of this made
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: sense when women spent so much of their time pregnant. Yeah,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: and in the process of just stating those babies. And
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I would think a lot of this was solved, particularly
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: in the West, with all of these medical advances, when
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: women didn't have to spend most of their time pregnant,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: they could take up some of their time pregnant with
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: the one or two children that was required to keep
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: the family going and indeed the species going. I would
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: imagine it was different in ancient India when they had
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: to keep pumping out babies because most of them would die.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: A lot of ancient cultures that was the case. That's
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: why it used to be so normal to have families
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: that were you know, this woman had thirteen kids or
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: fourteen kids. But then when you go to the local
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: graveyard that in their area and you learn about more
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: about that family, there are several gravestones with you know,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: six or seven or eight year lifespans or one year
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: lifespans or less on them. Because back then people would
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: die if they got pneumonia. They didn't have medication for
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: that that could guarantee survival. People would die if they
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: got in much larger numbers than today. If they got influenza,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: or even if they got various types of pucks, and
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: even if they didn't immediately die from a lot of
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: these things, they may develop lifelong health problems that eventually
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: killed them. So and then there were accidents. And that
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: was the other thing. Back then, it wasn't just that
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: women were part of the family business. As soon as
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: your child was old enough to so much as follow
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: and instruction and carry a bucket full with water in it,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: your your kid was old enough to work. And what
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: we have today where we raise our children in the
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: safest possible environment and we send them to to a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: school system to educate them, or we educate them at home.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: Uh And and they're expected to be able to read
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: and write and and use arithmetic in their daily lives.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: And they're expected to know the history of their their
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: country and their world. And they're expected to know facts
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: about their government and their culture, even the parts of
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: their culture that they aren't involved in. Like that that
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: didn't exist throughout history. You had, you know, a time
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: period where life was work from from about the age
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: where today you would start kindergarten until you died or
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: until your family took care of you, you know, in
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: your golden years, which didn't last very long. And even
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: though there were people who got old, right, you always
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: hear the the life span, the average life span historically
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: being stated at like fifty years old or even in
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: the thirties. It's because so many people died in infancy,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: in early childhood, and even in the start of the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: industrial age, children worked in environments that were extremely dangerous.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: My great aunts worked in textile mills when they were young,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: and they worked in textile mills before labor laws that
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: prevented children from working in those mills. It was it
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: was a whole different world. So people had a lot
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: more children, partly because children were part of the family's
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: workforce and partly because children were a big gamble. You'd
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: go through all of that, all the pregnancy, gestation, childbirth,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: in the first year of the child being completely helpless,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: and then the early years of the child being you know,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: a walking disaster because they're going to get into everything.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: In hopes that the child would contribute as a member
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: of the family once they got old enough to start
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: doing simple tasks, but a lot of times the child
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: never got that old, so but yeah, all of that.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: They don't consider those things, and they don't consider why
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: something that might have been functional three thousand years ago
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: as a problem today. There's a lot of things that
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: might have been functional three thousand years ago that we
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: don't do anymore because we now have better ways of
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: doing them. And if you want to create a family
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: bond three thousand years ago, it's a different environment. You
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: have your parents, your siblings, your cousins, aunts, and uncles
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: are all around. They're part of your community to support
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: the continuity and dedication in your marriage. Today, one of
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: my daughters lives several states away. She doesn't have any
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: of her immediate family around, and her husband is from
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: another country, so he has that of his immediate family
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: around either, And so they have to have their dedication
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: has to be based on having common goals, common interests,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: common common moral codes and ethical codes.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: They can't be unequally yoked. They can't. One of them
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: have a very strong religious belief system and the other
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: one have none. They can't if they do that, each
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: one of those things takes away from how easy it
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: is for them to maintain a sense of dedication and
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: intimacy and understanding of each other and things like that.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: Their closeness is based on their unity, is based on
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: unifying principles in their personalities, in their interests, and it's
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: based on a very strong foundation. And if you don't
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: have that strong foundation, you have what we have today
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: a high divorce rate. So it doesn't it doesn't make
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: sense for hypergamy to be as prevalent today as it is.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't help foster that that dedication, that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: caring and concern. It doesn't help the foster love it
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: only it only makes you view your partner in a
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: utilitarian light, which is not healthy.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Y I'm I'm reminded of the Industrial Revolution, which was
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: indeed led by the British and later in the rest
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: of Europe and then later in the North Americas. We
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: are we in Britain, we are grown up with this,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: with these history lessons drilled into our heads. Of how
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: much the the working class of Britain had it drilled
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 2: into them, not just psychologically physically, the the the Industrial
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: Revolution wasn't just replacing humans with machines overnight. No, it
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: was very much humans operating those machines overnight, and and
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: and the working class of Britain were very much put
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: in charge of those machines and that and and that
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: became uh something that something that was called the Satanic mills.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just men who were put in charge of
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: these things, it was women and children as well. And
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: this this was what what took the British Empire from
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: something that was only in charge of Britain to something
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: that was able to enhance the product the productivity of
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: the entire world. Now this is often called colonialism, and yes,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: I guess that's kind of what it was. But just
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: like the agricultural Revolution was, you know, it was was
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: these pioneers spreading across the world like telling people, you
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: know you can, you can, you can farm things, right,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: you know you can. You can take the land into
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: your into your own hands. And you don't have to
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: be nomads anymore. You don't have to wander across the
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: earth hunting and gathering. You can, actually you can. You
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: can make these things called farms. And the same thing
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: happened in the Industrial Revolution. Well, we created these things
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: that you that we call mills, and and it's going
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: to take uh, the the the devoted effort of not
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: just your men but your women and your children, and
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: yes it did suck. There's all manner of horror stories
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: from the eighteen hundreds and the early nineteen hundreds of
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: of what you have to put your people through, your
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: men and your women and your children, and and and
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: once they get there, you can you you can change
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: the world. But it's going to take the effort of
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: all of the above.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: And and and this this relates to the great men,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 6: create good times, good good times, create weak men, week
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 6: men great and.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: All that shit. But it's it's it's not to do
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: with men. I know, I know it's phrased as men,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: whereas what it means is your man. But the point remains,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: when people are put through exercise, they eventually they've become
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: better off for it. And I don't I don't want
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: to sound like it's downplaying the dark shit that British
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: people had to go through in the eighteen hundreds. But
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: the whole point is that it makes your offspring better off,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: It makes future generations better off. But that doesn't mean
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: that the whole paradigm changes for your for your future generations.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: It sort of takes a conscious effort to change some
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: aspects of culture, even even romantic Romantic chivalry in Ghana.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: Centrism happened as a result of the conscious efforts of
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: cortisons in the French aristocracy in the thirteenth century. So
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: you had they they wrote, I guess what what you
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: would consider to be the predecessors of proclamations blog posts.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: You know, they there their letters to each other and
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: their their way of communicating with their their community. Yeah,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: they expressed these ideas of of that are the foundation
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: of romantic chivalry. That prior to that, I think the
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: dedication and uh, the effort that that was supposed to
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: be put into maintaining a relationship. It was not so
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: one sided as it is today, the idea that you know,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: the man has to do all the seeking and the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: woman has to make all the decisions. Like prior to
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: that particular philosophy, you know, you had the whole family
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: involved in helping couple's form, helping their their young find
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: compatible future partners. But you also had this expectation that
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: the wife would be as dedicated as the husband, and
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: that each would do their best to make the other happy,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: and each would do their best to defend and protect
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: in various ways the other, and and today, you know,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: we we don't have quite the same expectations of women
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: that we used to, and I think it takes away
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: from both sexes. I've had occasion to be very protective
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: of my husband under a variety of circumstances, not necessarily
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: circumstances of physical violence and physical danger. Although there is
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: an element of that in choosing not to put oneself
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: in danger because you know that he's going to have
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: to protect you, right, but other other things, and it is,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: it's almost it feels like an accomplishment to succeed in
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: that protective effort, and it's it may not feel the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: same as you know, scaring off a big scary dog
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: or another person that is that's trying to be violent.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: But I don't think very many women get that experience
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: because they're not taught to care that much. They're not
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: taught to keep their husband's interests in mind. They're taught
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: that it's his job to keep their interests in mind.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's again that whole paragraph, that's another good
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: reason to pick this story when you look at these issues,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: just looking at today and clucking your tongue and saying, oh,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: he thinks this is true, and he objects to, it
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't really tell the whole story. Yeah, if you want
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: people to have successful relationships, you have to give people
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: the tools and foster the right type of attitudes toward
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: each other and the right environment. If you're doing exactly
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: the opposite, you tear people's relationships apart. And you know,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: there was in the United States, has been that my generation.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I know I'm speaking to boomers, to gen xers,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: to millennials, to zoomers, and possibly even to some from
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Alpha at this point, but my generation has a fifty
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: percent divorce rate. That's terrible, and the next generations have
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: a lower divorce rate. But it's because you guys aren't
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: getting married at all, like not even trying to start
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: lifelong relationships. And I think that's that's a heartbreaking thing.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: It's something that's been taken away from you, and it's
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: something that's you're missing out on. And it's because women
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: have not been raised with the accountability that they need
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: to contribute functionally to their side of the relationship. And
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: at the same time, men have have been made vulnerable
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: to legal maneuverings and social maneuverings. They can destroy their
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: lives and so they don't trust women now, and they're
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: not wrong.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, evolution has prepared men to protect women and has
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: prepared women to preserve men. And these may seem like
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: subjectively different concepts, but there's that there's an important difference
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: in it in that subjectivity. But because men and women
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: are both very empathetic creatures, very unusually empathetic creatures. When
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: it comes to the animal kingdom or need any animal kingdom,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: men protect women and men and women can observe this
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: protection and reciprocate it, and women can also protect their men.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: And while women preserve their men, men can witness this
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: and also preserve their women. And it works out quite wonderfully.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: It has worked out quite wonderfully for thousands of years,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: if not millions, depending on what you consider to be human.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: And yeah, we've done this, we've we've we've observed each
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: other doing what we can to help the other continue
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: to exist. Men protect women. Women observe this, and so
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: they protect their men. Women preserve men, and so men
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: observe this, and so they preserve their women. And it's said,
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: it's worked out for a long time until this bullshit
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: came along that told women, no, not only do you
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: not need to preserve your men, but your men don't
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: need to. Well, your men do need to protect you,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: but given that you don't need to preserve them, they
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: should not learn from you nor preserve you either. And
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: this throws a big old fucking monkey wrench into the
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: whole thing. And this is why we found ourselves in
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: this situation where women don't feel the need to preserve
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: their men anymore, and men have observed this and gone, well,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: why the fuck do I need to protect you anymore?
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: And yes, both sides of this are a fucked up
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: state of affairs, but let us not forget where it started.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: It started with the with women being convinced that they
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: don't need to preserve their men anymore, let alone protect
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: them like you're by the transitive prophecy.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: Ah, it's I think a lot of people don't even
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: understand the how and why of it, right, Like a
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: simple example in in Christian wedding vows, in the woman's vow,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: I think in some denomination since in both but you,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: the one I grew up with. It's just in the
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: woman's vow, you you promise not only to love, honor,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: and cherish, but also to obey and I know a
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: lot of women object to this, which if you don't
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: trust him enough to agree to that knowing that he's
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: not going to just use it to order you around
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: like a jerk all of a sudden, then you shouldn't
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: be marrying that guy. But you know the reason for
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: that is because you can't protect someone who does not
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: obey you when you tell them what to do to
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: be safe. And you can't you can't have a consistent
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: attitude of don't tell me what to do and the
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: rest of the time and then only in moments where
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: there's danger get it right, because you don't even always know.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: And a silly example of that is one night we
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: were out on our front porch, the same one we were,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: the same door we were filming at when when the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: tornado arrived. But this was just a regular, you know,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: normal calm weather night, and we were there are some
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: stray cats in the neighborhood that we help get into
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: six to get them home, get them spade or neutered,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: so we don't have the neighborhood overrun with a bunch
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: of stray kittens and stuff. But in any case, we're
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: out there doing that and there's a thing that happens
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: if you put out too much dry cat food and
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: there's not enough cats to consume it. Certain types of
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: creatures like that besides cats. And so I'm out there
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: interacting with these cats, and all of a sudden, my
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: husband looks at me, and in the command voice which
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: I almost never hear. I think I've heard it like
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: three times in my whole life, he says, get inside now.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: So I did, because you don't question that. That was serious.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: And so I step in and I turn around as
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: I'm coming in the screen door and look back. There's
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: a skunk waddling right out onto the porch where I was.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: I'm allergic to animal musk, and I know this because
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: I'm allergic to any type of perfume.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: You're allergic to everything out of Yeah.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: Animal musk has a particularly harsh effect on me, at
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: least the type they use in perfume, which I don't
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: think comes from skunks, but it is a musk, And
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: I have no idea how skunk MutS musk affects me,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: or at least how badly.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: I get a little teary eyed, and you know, watery
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: nosed when I smell it. But I think everybody does.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: And this is the thing. It didn't even stink. It
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: just waddled out there like we couldn't smell it until
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: it was right there, or at least I couldn't. He
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: might have, and then he scared it away and protected
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: me from the thing that might have caused an allergic reaction,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: the wild animal that he didn't want around his wife, right,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: which it doesn't seem like that big of a deal,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: but it is because it could have had It could
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: have been dangerous. You know, he could have been sprayed,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't. But if he had been, the preserving
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: end of it would have been that I would have
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: taken care of him. Even if I had to put
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: a cloth over my face, I would have taken care
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: of him. I wouldn't have laughed at his situation. I
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: would have been compassionate because he's my husband and I
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: love him, and I don't want him to feel bad
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: about that. You know, he just risked himself to protect me,
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: And if something bad does happen to him, I take
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: care of him, and he does his best to keep
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: bad things from happening to me. But if something bad
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: has happened to me, he takes care of me. And
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: you know, if he had been sprayed and it looked
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: funny or looked ridiculous or anything like that, I wouldn't
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: tell you, guys, because that's his reputation and I might
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: not have the same physical strength. I certainly can't. I
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: can't lift him that he can lift me, right, But
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: I can protect his reputation. You preserve it, and that's
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 1: what I would do. Under that circumstance. I really don't
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: have anything to protect in terms of like, there's no
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: his reputation doesn't really have any vulnerabilities. He's a good guy.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: He's pretty awesome. And don't tell me I'm biased. I
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: married the handsomest guy in the world and the coolest
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: guy in the world.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: That would be me.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: But no, no, that would be my husband. But and
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: I know every woman should be saying that, right, So
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: that would cause the biggest argument among the any women
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: in our audience. But that's that's what should happen in
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: a relationship. But if we're only training guys that it's
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: their job to protect, and we're not training gals that
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: it's our job to preserve and to protect in our
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: own way, right, we are only we're only training up
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: half of the relationship. And that's like only building half
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: of a bridge, you know, the other half. If you
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: don't have the other half, the minute that you get
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: past the edge of the first half, you are falling
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: into the river. And that's really why we have such
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: a such a high divorce rate. And yeah, a zoomers,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of zoomers that aren't married yet. I
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, seniors, Dix, if you're a zoomer or a millennial,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of zoomers that are pretty young.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 4: Although I'm I'm I'm a sillennial.
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: Are you as millennial? Yeah, it's just called ennials. I
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: don't know. I might have that wrong, but you're right.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: Or are you us aennal with an X?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: That means people were born in nineteen eighty two, because
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: I'm one of them to.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I was born.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: In Okay, Okay, Yeah, you guys are both quite a bit.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: We don't like identifying with millennials because most of them
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: are fucking cuks.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: Well that's fair, and I probably millennials feel the same
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 1: way about zoomers, and zoomers will feel the same way
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: about gene alpha. And I think boomers felt the same
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: way about gen X. But uh, and and like there's
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: zoomers with an X at both ends of gen X,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: because you have people who were on the cusp between
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: boomers and gen X that have a lot of boomer traits.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: I have family that's that age. That's uh, they act
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: more like my parents' generation than mine. And and then
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: of course there's zoomers with an X that are the
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: cusp of gen X and millennials, and most of them
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 1: act more like gen xers than they do millennials. So
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: it makes sense that zoomers with that xenioles would Yeah,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: it's zoomers with an X. Xenioles with an X and
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: xenials with a Z is what I'm thinking of. But
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: it would make sense that xeniols with a Z would
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: would act more like millennials than zoomers. So I wonder
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: what they're going to call the cusp between zoomers and Alpha.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: It's called generation Beta. That's the main one after Alpha,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 5: after alpha. Generation beta.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean the the year that the Zoomer
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: generation stops and Alpha starts, there's a cusp there.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 5: I mean Alpha stas Alpha stas twenty twelve and stops
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 5: at twenty thirty five.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's tempting to say it all changed when
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: when it all changed with the Internet, but it's not.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: It all changed when feminism took over everything, which was
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: at some point during the eighties, and so most of
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: us during the eighties, like we have an identity crisis
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: on top of an identity crisis. We like I for one,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: do not like being crushed into this identity of millennial
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: or gen X or any of the above, Like, well,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: I reject your your identity politics whatsoever it is that
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: you chares to encroach on me when it comes to
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: identifying me as to exactly what fucking decade I was born.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: None of this is important. I have far more in
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: common with Gen X than I do with millennials. I
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: have far more in common with boomers, who I like
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: the fucking zoomers, who I don't like.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, I didn't care about it much either
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: until zoomers started calling gen xers boomers because our generation
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist. And then then I had to think about it,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: because you know, you had that slap fight that's been
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: going on on TikTok and YouTube between influencers of different AGAs.
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 4: That's he called older people grandpa.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and uh, well, I mean they can call
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: me grandpa if their grandma, if they want. I mean,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: I suppose some of them would call me grandpa, considering
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: how often I get called them in But I my
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: my grandson is Jen Alpha, so there you go. But
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: in any case, I had to think about it. You know,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: there were similarities between Boomers.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: And Gen X.
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: We all played outside unsupervised, went downtown with our friends
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: at the age of ten to twelve years old without
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: parents coming with us, and stuff like that. But the
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: Boomer generation grew up being taught to duck and cover
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: if a nuclear bomb was going to get dropped on
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: their communities. And my generation, our moms were the first
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: generation too, for whatever reason, decided that they all had
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: to work even if there wasn't a crisis, and so
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: it was pretty common for there to be a whole
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: neighborhood full of kids that were home alone from the time,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: you know, school let out. You'd welcome from school, you'd
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 1: let yourself in, and you'd be there for an hour
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: before mom got home, you know, possibly more before mom
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 1: or dad got home. You were lucky if you had
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: an older sibling there, but I was the older sibling,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: so that wasn't and at my house that wasn't the case.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: My mom was home, but most of my friends, either
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: mom or dad or both would not be home when
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: they got home from school, and you know almost all
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 1: of them. Dad wasn't home, so you know, until after
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: five o'clock, sometimes later, depending on where he worked. And
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 1: we probably we talk about different things, like we were
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: the last generation to get to do a lot of
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: the you know, running around outside on your bicycle without
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: a parent outside watching you, going down the street to
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: the park, getting into fights with other kids without somebody intervening,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And you know, we we were
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: kind of raised like they call it free range parenting now,
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: like it's something new and novel, but the whole of
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: Generation X was raised that way and so it became
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: something to you can classify a group of people based
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: on that. You know, during this timeframe, the culture supported
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: these things, and so you know, if you're if your
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: gen actually can remember things like that you knew a kid,
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: you knew at least one kid that that had a
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: key chain around their neck, like usually it was on
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: a on a shoe string or something, and you knew.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: You also knew at least one mom that pulled the
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: strings out of the hoods of all of her kid's
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: coats because she didn't want them to get strangled on
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: the slide at the park in case she wasn't going
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: to be there.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: I like to think of as as the Calvin generation
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: and the post health in generation. You're anyone who's ever
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: you know, read Covenan Harvest.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, I was wondering, if you're going with Calvin.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: I am going with those of us who were who
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: were allowed to just wander off into the woods and
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: play with their imaginary pet tiger. Yeah, and that's that
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: was that that was the cutoff. Doesn't matter when you
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: were born, it was it was if you were allowed
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: to just go off into the wilderness and just live
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: your life as a child. And you know, at some
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: point that changed, and it was at some point during
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: the nineties, you know what I mean.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: Yep. And a lot of things led to that change.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we had changes in population, changes in crime rate.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of gen xers, a lot of
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: gen x women did the helicopter parenting thing, which is
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: as one of our commenters here. I think it was
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: art force. Yeah, helicopter parenting is deeply feminine, and yeah,
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: you know those were those were changes that took place,
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: I think largely because the living environment was changing as
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: the population grew and so on. And also you sort
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: of had I think gen X had less faith that
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: our kids would follow our rules than the boomer generation
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: had that we would follow theirs, partly because we didn't
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: employ the same harsh degree of discipline, you know, like
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of us. I don't. I don't think I
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 1: ever had to spank any of the kids. Well, I
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: couldn't have spanked the girls because they were they were
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: my stepdaughters, so that would have been illegal anyway. But
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: my son, you know, when he was younger, you just
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: redirected him. You didn't have to use any kind of
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: harsh discipline most of the time. And when he got older,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: he understood being told and having things explained to him.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to say because I said so, Because
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: if I actually said the real reason why I was
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: telling him to do something, you know, he got it.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: And he understood the command voice too. That's a sign
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: of danger and I better do what mom says and
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: ask questions later, right, or I better do what dad
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: says and ask questions later. So there's not a we
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: didn't We didn't have quite the level of you know,
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 1: you're grounded, you're getting a spanking, you're standing in a corner,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of thing to deal with. But
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I think a lot of parents
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: didn't didn't think their kids could be trusted to avoid strangers, right.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: And then at the same time, you know, uh, the
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: gen the millennial generation was probably the last generation to
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: have real freedom on the Internet as kids, because you know,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 1: I raised a zoomer, My my son is a zoomer.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: My daughters are millennials. You know, like they're they're not
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: that far apart from each other, but they're far enough
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: from the cusp that it's it's enough. It's a difference,
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: Like you can tell, there's a bit of a difference.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, at at my house, we didn't
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: have privacy on the internet for the kids. They if
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: they were on a computer, it faced us. If they were,
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: you know, doing stuff on their phones, they were in
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: the living room with us. They weren't off in a
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 1: corner somewhere talking to somebody that that could get them
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 1: in danger. And I think that for my daughter's generation
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: that was kind of unusual, but for my son's generation,
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: I was becoming more than norm because you kind of
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: know there's too many. Well, of course, if you were
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: an early adopter of internet use, you already knew that
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: you couldn't trust strangers on the Internet to talk to
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: your child. But yeah, each generation has their thing that
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: they realize is more dangerous than their parents realized when
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: they were kids, and so each generation becomes more protected
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: than the last, and more and more. But I think
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: half the reason why gen X and gen Z are
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: at each other's throats is that gen X is largely
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: the parents of gen Z, where with millennials there's a
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: significant portion of them that are the younger siblings of
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 1: gen xers. So there you go. And yes, art Force
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  Speaker 1: the fourteen to four modem that took forever to load
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  Speaker 1: a web page that was nothing but one color of
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  Speaker 1: text on a single color of screen. But in any case, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And Manganka ninety two mentions the Satanic panic doing a
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  Speaker 1: huge number, and I think you're right there too. All
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  Speaker 1: of the concerns over comics and rock and roll and
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  Speaker 1: games and movies and TV, when the real answer is very,
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  Speaker 1: very simple. You teach your children right from wrong and
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  Speaker 1: smart from foolish, and they won't be susceptible to those
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  Speaker 1: influences if those influences are bad, and if you don't
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  Speaker 1: teach them, even if you eliminate all of those influences,
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  Speaker 1: there will be something that will come along and corrupt
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  Speaker 1: them and damage them. But unfortunately, it took two generations
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  Speaker 1: of panic over entertainment media of various types and bay
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  Speaker 1: care centers of all things to fix that for people
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  Speaker 1: to understand that, And I don't even know if parents
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  Speaker 1: understand that today. So but in any case, I think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to call it a show. It's twenty after
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  Speaker 1: nine and we've got to get into the after show.
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  Speaker 1: I will continue with this article next week, and Richard,
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  Speaker 1: you are more than one welcome to come back next
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  Speaker 1: week if you're available.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I spent all my time.
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  Speaker 5: I spent all my childhoodn't they they they.
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  Speaker 4: Bake as for the spot.
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  Speaker 5: Oh jeez, Yeah, from like one to yeah, one to five,
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  Speaker 5: and then from five to.
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  Speaker 4: Five to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot of time in daycare. Yeah. Actually, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 5: It was like certain like yeah, day care for infants,
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  Speaker 5: and you had like after school clubs for like toy
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  Speaker 5: like for like eight to eight to eleven year olds.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm guessing you had your hobbs as well. You
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  Speaker 2: had your pet tiger, You had your fluffy animal that
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  Speaker 2: you thought of as a tiger that was alive.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: That was That was That was the transitional period where
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  Speaker 2: we still had our imaginations and we could still indulge
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  Speaker 2: in those imaginations before the government forced us to take
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of fucking medication that made us forget that
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  Speaker 2: we had ever had a fluffy toy that we imagined
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  Speaker 2: was a real tiger.
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  Speaker 1: Oh go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: Oddly enough that it put me on my decation for
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  Speaker 5: my orderism at the time.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They started we will bring back hobbs, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: If it fucking kills me, we will bring back the
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  Speaker 2: hobbs that every Calvin deserves.
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  Speaker 1: We could talk about the medication thing quite a bit,
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  Speaker 1: not tonight, but just briefly. I remember when I was
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  Speaker 1: in school, when I was going through I had like
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  Speaker 1: one kid in my class that was on riddling when
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  Speaker 1: I was in junior high that I knew of or well,
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  Speaker 1: he was a year ahead of me. I was in
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  Speaker 1: the seventh grade. He was in the eighth grade, but he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one kid that I knew of that was
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  Speaker 1: on riddling, And by the time two years later my
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  Speaker 1: brother was that age, there were several, but it was
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  Speaker 1: still you know, like a handful out of one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty kids in the class. And by the time
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  Speaker 1: my son was in school, most of his classmates, like
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  Speaker 1: he was in the minority because he was not on
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  Speaker 1: riddling and he was not on a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, like those were the two big things.
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  Speaker 1: You're either they either need to calm you down or
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  Speaker 1: they need to undepress you. And I he just grew
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  Speaker 1: up normally like we didn't. We didn't have to do
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  Speaker 1: any of that stuff, and we weren't. You know, if
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  Speaker 1: somebody had come to me and said we needed to,
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  Speaker 1: I would have been very very pushy about no, because
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  Speaker 1: most kids don't need those drugs. There would have had
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  Speaker 1: to be a real serious issue that merited medication, right,
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  Speaker 1: But by that time, it was pretty normal for most
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  Speaker 1: of the students in the class to be medicated with something.
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  Speaker 1: Riddlin adderall was another one that was really commonly used,
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  Speaker 1: multiple different selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, a few kids in
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  Speaker 1: junior high age antipsychotics, not just anti anxiety meds, kids
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  Speaker 1: with diagnoses that you usually used to only hear neurotic,
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  Speaker 1: middle aged women, you know, getting after their kids moved
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  Speaker 1: out of the house and stuff like that. So it's
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  Speaker 1: definitely a big change over the generations with that. But
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  Speaker 1: but with that, I will thank everybody for listening. I
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  Speaker 1: thank all my co hosts for going over this garbage
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  Speaker 1: with us, and I will call it garbage because I
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  Speaker 1: write better stuff, so so that entitles me to call
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  Speaker 1: it garbage. Thanks very much Brian for working in the
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  Speaker 1: background to make sure that we could do this, and
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  Speaker 1: good idol