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Color "Blind" · Why We Do What We Do

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  You're listening to Why we Do what we do? Welcome to Why we Do
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  what we Do. I am your Red and Green host Abraham, and I'm
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  your All Gray host Shane. Ah, it's okay, okay, it's great.
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  Florida by the way, So any book you read Florida is celebrating band book
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  Week. Yeah, that is true. This week you should be aware of
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  deaf dogs. It's a sad thing and it is real and there are dogs
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  out there that need little ducky hearing needs. And related to that is International
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  Deaf Awareness Week more generally speaking, so all those audiologists out there, we
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  did a three part series I believe on audiology back in the day. We
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  did. We could go check that out. But yeah, it is Deaf
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  Awareness Week and Dog Deaf Awareness Week as well, and also related it's International
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  Interpreters and Translators Week, so you know, for those folks working with the
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  NEX community. I thought that was really cool. And to wrap up,
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  and as we enter fall, it is National Fall Foliage Week, which I
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  saw somebody was like, Hey, I can't wait for fall where I get
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  to watch all the trees die and go see the colors change because the trees
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  are dying, you know. I thought that was a funny way to look
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  at that. But I also love fall colors and totally seeing the leaves change.
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  It's beautiful leaf peeping as they call it. Is that what they call
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  it? Oh? Yeah, I even heard that term. I have never
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  heard that. Well, I've never heard that term because the leaves don't change
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  in Florida, so everything's days green all year round unless it's like a light
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  brown from the sun just roasting it. That's the only time it ever changes.
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  But yeah, we don't have seasons here. We have hurricane season,
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  but everything is summer until it's hurricane season, and then that's just a subset
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  of summer, you know. Yeah, then it's light summer and then summer
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  again. Yeah, exactly, it's basically just all hot. Yeah. There's
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  a term to describe the past time of people who will sort of go out
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  into areas to watch the changing colors of leaves. They call it leaf peeping.
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  That's adorable and of course has subverted sexual undertones, but of course it
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  does. Yeah, what doesn't anymore? What does it mean? Exactly?
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  Yeah, But we are actually not talking about leaves or national holidays. We're
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  talking about psychology things. And one of the things that we were thinking about
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  recently we have talked about in the past, and we're finally executing on is
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  understanding color, specifically when you have trouble understanding color. Yes, I mean
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  historically we have done. We did the episode on color psychology, which turned
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  out to be just silliness. But what we'll find here is that we are
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  talking about something called color deficiency, which most people know as color blindness.
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  Yes, not the color blindness that has been used as a sort of political
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  position if you will, to ignore other individuals race or ethnicity. That is
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  not the point of this episode. Probably an interesting discussion in and of itself,
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  because we are now back at a place where people are debating the merits
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  of political color blindness with respect from people's race and ethnicity, even though that
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  argument had been gone for a while. We've been resurrecting our Confederate ghosts and
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  giving them a microphone and a lot of power for some reason. Yeah,
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  somehow, Stonewall Jackson is running for the Republican candidacy this year. So it's
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  ridiculous. Yeah, so we're back at that, unfortunately, but we are
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  not talking about that for the purposes of this episode. We're only talking about
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  color as it relates to the deficiency in our ability to perceive color for some
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  folks. Yes, so I think we could probably dive in. Yeah,
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  we can start hitting on what this thing is. I did not say yet
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  that's the way you can support us. And I'll talk more about that at
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  the end of this, but otherwise we are ready to get started. Shame.
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  Yes. So, color blindness or color deficiency is described functionally as inability
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  to visually distinguish between certain use of colors, meaning one would not recognize certain
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  colors as looking different from other colors. For example, if a color deficient
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  person could not distinguish between say, red and green, then if tasks was
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  selecting a red color out of the array of red and green, they would
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  not be able to do so with any sort of great chance of accuracy.
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  There would be some struggles with being able to do that particular task. Yeah,
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  beyonds like happening to give a lucky guess and probably would just say I
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  can't tell the difference, right, but yeah. Now, an important understanding
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  here that probably not a lot of people had this misconception of how this works.
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  But color blindness does not mean that those colors are invisible to a person.
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  Like if they're red green and you wear like a you cover yourself head
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  to toe with red or something like that, you don't just disappear to the
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  background and they see through you. It just means that those colors all look
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  about the same. They have trouble telling them apart from one another. Now,
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  sometimes they could look all gray, like they're looking at a color and
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  it kind of just want it doesn't really have much to it. It kind
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  of looks like a gray, or it could look like another color to them,
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  where they just have trouble telling any of them apart. So one person
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  I knew said that everything looked to them like the color brown looked to them
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  in terms of the reds and the greens all look they said, just look
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  like brown, right, And so I'm sure it's different for different people.
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  But what they can see in those colors is when a color like let's say
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  they struggle to see red and green, they can tell a lighter shade of
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  red from a darker shade of red. They'll just look more like they'll kind
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  of look the same as a lighter shade of green and darker shade of green.
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  Right, they can tell the shades, they just can't necessarily distinguish the
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  different colors, right, So they can they can distinguish shades, but not
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  hues. Yes, that's exactly right, there's a much more efficient way of
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  saying it. That's why we're here together. That's why you and I do
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  this together. Help each other out. You know. That's right. So
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  I think part of the discussion what will be helpful here would be to understand
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  how the eye works to actually receive light, because in order to see things,
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  the eye has to receive and accept and like basically translate light into signals.
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  Yeah. Yeah, And so understanding how the process were for most people
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  will help us understand where it doesn't work for people who are colored deficient.
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  So this is sort of early. You know, people are not super disconnected
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  from this, I think. But nevertheless, it's some good refresher course on
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  this, if you will. And our optimologist listeners are like skip, I
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  know all this already, I would hope. So we're listening with like they're
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  just waiting for me to screw something up. I'm sorry if I do,
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  Yeah, email us if we have Yeah, yeah, definitely. Now I'm
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  not an optimologist, but I'm going to do my best with this. So
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  as I understand this based on science and everything that I've learned elsewhere, light
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  enters the eye through the people, through the lens Basically, as it passes
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  through the eye and look with the eye, it's going to land on the
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  photo sensitive cells on the back of the eye that are called the retina,
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  the whole like part of the eye, and the retina is composed of rods
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  and cones that contain photopigments, which are proteins that are sensitive to specific wavelengths
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  of light. So essentially, when stimulated by light, those photoreceptors, basically
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  it converts those two electrical signals that are send to the brain, and what
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  they send depends on which ones were stimulated and how they were stimulated, right,
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  and so mostly you have those rods and cones. Rods are photoreceptors that
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  are very sensitive to light and dark and therefore they operate best and low light
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  conditions. And actually, if you haven't noticed, this is why it's so
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  difficult to see colors in the dark, is because color receptors or cones,
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  which I always you know, I remember that by sea for color see for
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  cones if it helps. Yeah, because color receptors work primarily with a lot
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  of light. When you're in the dark, the actual colors that you can
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  see, regardless of what your color vision is like. The colors become very
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  muted and dark and difficult to distinguish. The dark the lower the light condition,
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  you can still see details, you can still see shapes because the rods
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  in our eyes process the low light condition, but our cones are really unable
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  to process light when it's low qualities and low amounts of light like that,
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  and so in the dark, most things look gray and black and whitish.
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  Would that being said, the classifications of colored deficiency specifically are based around trichromatic
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  perceptions of color, red, green, and blue. Kind of like when
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  I don't know if you've did this when you're a kid, I definitely did
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  this. You get really close to a TV and you see like those little
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  red, green, and blue dots that are that make up like a television
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  screen. A lot of times what you'll notice is like those colors make up
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  the images, Like those are the things that the screen projects, right,
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  It's like those three colors, right exactly. So this is why most people
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  have what are called trichromacy. Try being three. So the names are based
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  on colors and type of deficiency. You've got proto, which is red,
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  utero which is green, and trite, which is blue. And then anomaly,
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  which means specifically, in this space there's a partial inability to perceive some
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  of the three colors, or enopia, which is a complete inability to perceive
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  one or more of the primary colors. Color cones essentially mimic each other,
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  so it becomes difficult for signals to clearly indicate which wavelength is doing the stimulating,
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  which means essentially you've got these cones. They are very similar, they
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  copy one another day do these things, and so it's really difficult to tell,
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  like which colors are being missed, which hues are being missed, unless
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  if somebody has a pretty significant or severe deficiency, sometimes it gets a little
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  bit messy, right, And so as you said, basically you can tell
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  what colors, You would describe what color someone is deficient and perceiving with the
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  name assigned to it. So if you heard the name assigned to it,
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  you would then also be able to tell which colors were difficult. The most
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  common type is dou tan, and this is anomaly of the M wavelength or
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  the M cone, and this is a red green color deficiency. Specifically,
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  people with dou tan or using the nomenclature, would just described due to anomaly
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  would mean that this is color deficiency, would have in trouble seen green.
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  They may have difficulty telling the difference between green and yellow and blue and purple,
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  and those would kind of appear to be just very similar, if not
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  completely the same as one another. So that's the most common type that you'll
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  see among people out there is this. It's generally referred to as dutan or
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  deuter anomaly, but you could also have duter anopia, and that would be
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  the complete absence of the ability to detect green. So I think that's an
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  important thing that we need to hit on, is that anomaly versus anopia.
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  And you are we kind of already said this just but to be clear,
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  it's you're talking about a spectrum or varied versions of this. There are varying
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  levels of discrepancy where it's not just somebody who has dutan cannot see those colors.
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  It's specifically that they are varying levels and degrees of the impact of this.
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  Exactly right, Yeah, all right. So the next most common is
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  protean or protonomaly or proteinopia, which is the anomaly of the L cone and
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  it is also a form of red green color deficiency, except that the individual
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  has trouble distinguishing shades of red more than anything. So what you'll find is
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  that purples will look more blue, green, yellow, brown, and orange
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  and red will all look similar, but they might still be distinguishable depending on
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  how severe the deficiency is. Pink will appear gray, particularly the more red
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  the pink skews, the more gray it will appear. So as there's more
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  white mixed in, it will be less gray, but as it gets darker,
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  it'll get more and more gray. Yes, that's a whole lot of
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  the sort of vernacular and vocabulary that we've been thrown at you and don't expect
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  you to remember all of this, but the advertisers do expect you to purchase
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  their products, but you don't have to. Okay, we've been talking about
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  the different types of color deficiency that people experience. We have this dou tan
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  due to Remaning green, and then protan which is Protomanian red, and then
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  appended to the end of those names, you have anomaly or a nopia,
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  and then the last one here that we'll talk about there's more. Another one
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  that you can talk about is tritan or triton anomaly or tritonopia. And now
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  this one is actually fairly rare. It is more commonly one that is actually
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  one of the very few instances of color deficiency that's acquired, and most commonly
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  this is acquired with old age. And unlike most color deficiency, which will
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  explain in a second, tritonomally or tritenopia affect men and women at similar rates,
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  because again it's more it's often more age related than it is genetic.
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  And so tritonomaly, as we mentioned tri meaning blue, this is a yellow
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  blue color deficiency of the s cone cells. As you might have guessed,
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  this is difficulty seeing the blue hues, having distinguishing blues from greens. Anything
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  that has blue in it is going to look relatively indistinguishable. Right. One
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  of the rarest forms of color deficiency besides those three is a chromatopsia. Right,
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  that sounds right, I mean it's a lot of it's a lot of
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  those words together, right, letters and sounds the So this is the total
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  absence of the ability to detect the colors. So this does not mean that
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  that person is completely blind. What this means is that the world is in
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  very stark grays like shades more than anything right. Literally, none of the
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  colors that are on that spectrum are seen. I found a really interesting website
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  called Enchromia, and if you go to the website, the sort of banner
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  at the top cycles through an image and what that image would look like with
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  various types of the color deficiencies that we've just described, one of them being
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  this sort of a chromatopsia or monochromacy is another way I've heard it's seen it
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  described where it looks like an Ansel Adams photo. Everything is just black and
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  white and gray. But it's cool because it starts with like, here's a
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  picture of this very colorful bird, where you have a very colorful background,
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  greens and reds and pinks and purples and blues and all kinds of stuff going
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  on. And then as soon as you switch over to doutan, all of
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  a sudden you see mostly yellows and blues and the rest of it's kind of
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  got hues of that or gray. Then you get to pro tan, where
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  again you see mostly yellows and blues again, but it's skewed a lot more
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  yellow. Ever, it's kind of bright yellow. Then you get into this
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  tritan everything, where there is red looks red or sort of pinkish, everything
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  else looks sort of gray. And then finally that a chromatopsia, which everything
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  just you don't see distinguish any colors and everything looks black and white. Yeah,
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  it's super fascinating. It was really helpful before we started the episode going
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  through that, Yeah, and seeing kind of what like being able to kind
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  of put a visual to those terms exactly. Yeah, that's how I felt.
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  So I do think if you're interested in going to check it out.
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  I thought it was really cool how they used that to sort of show what
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  the differences are between them. I thought it's a really really nice tool that
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  they had there. Yeah, Now you might be wondering. I was wondering.
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  So I assume that some people who are listening were wondering about the colors
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  that contain some of the colors to which someone is deficient. Right, So,
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  for instance, purple has blue and red in it, So what does
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  purple look like for people with a du tan color deficiency? And if you
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  just as a help to recall dutan is that green color deficiency? So in
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  this case, it would look pretty much like straight blue, right, So
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  where you'd have those colors that might be in it. All you'd really be
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  able to distinguish are the blue hues inside of it? Right. Something else
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  you might not have thought about is whether people know if they are colored efficient,
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  if they're born with it. So to them, the world looks the
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  way it looks, and they have no reason to believe that they're missing any
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  colors. This is why the term color deficiency is actually the preferred term,
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  because it's more accurate. People have difficulty distinguishing the different colors to varying degrees.
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  They're not blind to colors, and I think that's a really important distinction
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  when we talk about this. I mean, we've already kind of like hit
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  that nail on the head, but I think it's important to keep reiterating that.
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  It's like they're not blind. They can see. And again, even
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  with blindness, they're varying degrees of blindness and like visual impairments if you will.
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  Right, So, color defficiency is just the absence of, or like
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  a varying degree of the absence of these colors. Yeah, And so I
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  think people will hear this and they'll be like, oh, there's PC terms,
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  and like, first of all, like let's just use non offensive language
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  when we get a chance to know. I don't think many of our listeners
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  or any of our listeners are going to be that concerned about us suggesting that
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  we use colored efficiency to be PC. But beyond that, it's just more
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  accurate. Like color blind is not an accurate description of what someone experiences when
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  they have trouble distinguishing colors. Colored deficiency is just more accurate. And maybe
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  we'll even come up with an even more accurate term the more we learn about
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  this, and the more we spend time talking about it and thinking about it,
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  and we'll have even better language for describing it. And language evolves as
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  our understanding of the universe evolves, And so I think accept it. We're
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  on a treadmill of things that they come and they go right. And when
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  you think about the deficiency in general, think about what else it's used,
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  right, Like I have an iron deficiency. Let's say, Yeah, that
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  doesn't mean I have no iron. It just means I have less iron than
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  is considered the standard, right, And that's really what color deficiency is.
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  I see less of that color than what is commonly accepted as like what most
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  people experience. You know, you made a joke in a previous episode about
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  not eating rocks, and now I'm thinking that maybe you should to get that
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  iron up. You know, I've probably suck on a couple of rocks or
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  two. I think i'd be probably probably do me some good. Maybe chew
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  on a nail. It looks really tough that way. Yeah, I'll use
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  nails as toothpicks. That'll be great. I think it's really good for your
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  teeth. Hopefully everyone knows we're joking. I'll feel that's not an endorsement.
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  That's not an endorsement. Don't go do that, all right. As we
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  were alluding to, most color deficiency people have trouble distinguishing these colors is congenital,
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  which means you're born with it. How this shakes out and where this
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  comes from. We understand this that it's genetic. Is that the mutation that
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  causes color deficiency is carried on the X chromosome. Now you might think that
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  that would mean that women would be more likely to be colored deficient because they
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  have two X chromosomes and no I X chromosome. But it is because they
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  have those two X chromosomes that they're actually less likely to be colored deficient because
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  one of those can serve as a backup, meaning that if you get the
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  X chromosome with a mutation, then you have a backup X chromosome that might
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  not have that mutation. Sends it's a recessive trade anyway, he cancels it
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  out and it cancels it out basically, so it's unlikely that they'll actually be
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  impacted by it. However, men only have one X chromosome. If they
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  get the X chromosome with the mutation, they don't have another X chromosome as
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  a backup, and thus they are much more likely to be colored deficient,
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  about twenty times more likely to be colored deficient because this is chromosomal for most
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  people. Colored efficiency, as you might expect, is something that you're born
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  with and you will usually carry with you throughout your entire life. It's really
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  not an expectation that that's something that just covers on its own, because it
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  has to do with the chromosomes and how they alter the functioning of the cones
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  in your eyes. We'll talk more about that too, when we get into
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  some of the psychology around that. I think that's an important thing. It's
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  a life long experience that somebody is born with so they don't really ever know
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  anything different. That's a great teaser. Yeah, see, I like to
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  do that every now and again. I like I like to throw it out
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  there, like the foreshadow. You know. I'm a creative writer, so
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  I like to do that nice. So besides genes and old age disease like
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  laucoma, retinas pigmentosa, diabetes, melitis, brain injuries including injuries to the
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  occipita temporal cortex, and optic nerve disease also and drugs hydroxy chloroquine and alcohol
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  can also cause color efficiency. So you can change the way that you see
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  the world through these different ways. They can. It can be changed,
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  but it's not as often as just being born with it. I have a
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  vague memory of hydroxy chloroquin being one of those drugs and like the nineties or
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  early two thousands, that was prescribed for weight loss, but maybe I'm misremembering
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  that. Mostly it's very commonly prescribed for arthritis. Okay, anyway, that
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  is just a memory I had of that, But yes, this is one.
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  There has been some indication that links the use of that to some amount
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  of color deficiency. I appreciate that your memory of the nineties includes whether or
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  not a drug was used for weight loss, and my memory of the nineties
• 22:23
  includes the skippit. I remember the skippe. Two very different perspectives on the
• 22:30
  nineties. It's funny to think about this is such a side tangent, but
• 22:33
  I was thinking about the fact that, like, is it still the case.
• 22:36
  I mean, you've got kids, so maybe you know, but is
• 22:37
  it still the case that there's like this is the hot new toy of the
• 22:40
  year type of thing that comes out of it Because it was like, it
• 22:44
  feels like with iPads and iPhones and like all these technological gadgets that like most
• 22:49
  new things are like digital. To me, it seemed like there wasn't still
• 22:55
  this trend of like here's the big toy this year for Christmas shopping. But
• 22:57
  it seems like you're saying that is still the game. Yeah it is.
• 23:00
  It's not nearly as bad as like, you know, Turboman. It is
• 23:03
  one of those things where it does still come up and it can be difficult
• 23:07
  to find some toy, you know, It's like it might be a dinosaur
• 23:11
  where you literally crack the egg and a dinosaur plush he's in it or whatever
• 23:15
  it is. Like right now, all the Ninja Turtle toys that are out
• 23:18
  are like flying off the shelves, like people are obsessed with it right now.
• 23:22
  So it really it really just depends that tracks, got it. Yeah,
• 23:25
  Anyway, that's not what we're talking about. We're actually talking about psychology,
• 23:29
  and we were that's true tangentially talking No, I mean, it's not
• 23:32
  tangential, like this is a part of human perception, that is a critical
• 23:36
  part of psychology. But nevertheless, often people when they think of psychology,
• 23:38
  they're thinking more about specifically personality and human behavior and trends and people's actions and
• 23:45
  that sort of thing. So we're moving now to understanding and talking about the
• 23:49
  extent to which we should expect, if at all, how color might impact
• 23:56
  someone's behavior. Right the fact that people may not know for a while they
• 24:00
  have color perception deficiency indicates the colors have no inherent emotional properties, which goes
• 24:06
  back to our psychology. Our color psychology episode a little bit and little to
• 24:10
  no cognitive meaning. So just from that experience alone, color in itself doesn't
• 24:15
  have or whole or the emotional property until it's eventually linked to whatever you know
• 24:22
  through behavioral learning and all that stuff. But if you go into our color
• 24:26
  psychology episode, in our synesthesia episodes, we do talk about how color can
• 24:29
  impact people in different ways, but not necessarily from this emotional like inherent emotional
• 24:33
  property standpoint. Yeah, And the quick summary of all of that that you've
• 24:37
  alluded to already is the fact that people say, like, the colors have
• 24:41
  these meanings in these associations, and like, that's because we made those associations
• 24:45
  where people see, like yellow and red are commonly associated with fast food.
• 24:48
  And I'm like, that's just because people choose to associate yellow and red with
• 24:52
  fast food. And therefore, if that's the common color association, then if
• 24:56
  you start to feel hungry and you see yellow and red, it's because it's
• 25:00
  associated with food. Right. So right, there's this whole working backwards to
• 25:04
  determine cause effect on these things when they all happen together, and understandably if
• 25:10
  you really think about it from this linear perspective. So more on that in
• 25:14
  our color episodes. Importantly to understand here is there are a lot of ways
• 25:17
  we do use color in our day to day activities. Right, Colors on
• 25:21
  signs can have relevant meaning. For example, a red stop sign obviously the
• 25:26
  red means something, the word stop means something, in the shape means something.
• 25:29
  Always sort of lean on all three there. But you've got other colors
• 25:32
  that are common in various road signs. Yellow that often indicates construction. You've
• 25:37
  got green, which usually carries some amount of road information. And so a
• 25:41
  quick glance at that you start to associate with those colors and their relative meaning,
• 25:45
  assuming that you can distinguish those colors. Another thing that shows up here
• 25:49
  is like the color of food can tell us about its condition, but if
• 25:53
  you have trouble seen red, you might not know when something that is cooking
• 25:56
  has no longer red, starting to black or other things. But also tell
• 26:03
  us about the relative ripeness of certain fruits and that sort of thing if their
• 26:07
  color stands out more so. That's another way. And then a third way
• 26:11
  is just color effects our choices in terms of like the colors we choose to
• 26:15
  carry with us, the color we use to assemble our clothing or outfit,
• 26:18
  the color of car. We might choose these various things that if you're not
• 26:22
  distinguishing them, you might not be thinking about it at all, and you
• 26:26
  might be pairing things together that most people look out and go, that's an
• 26:29
  interesting choice, those two colors next to each other, right, But some
• 26:33
  people will be like, again, I can't really see the difference. So
• 26:36
  anyway, I had a manager who was he had a severe color deficiency,
• 26:41
  and he would go to the stores and he would just pick out outfits for
• 26:45
  mannequins because he knew that the mannequin itself would have an outfit that matched.
• 26:52
  It wouldn't be something really ridiculous or like off putting. He would so whenever
• 26:56
  he would pick out clothes, he would always go pick out clothing that was
• 26:59
  from a mannequin. If you need to pick out a matching set, that
• 27:00
  makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. One thing that's really nice
• 27:04
  about the discussion around color is that this is the audio medium, so we
• 27:08
  don't have to worry about color so much. So when you listen to ads,
• 27:11
  they don't really talk about color that much. So here are some ads
• 27:14
  that will probably lack in color as well. Thank you and sorry you God
• 27:25
  to suffer through those ads. We are back and we've been talking about how
• 27:29
  color affects us sort of in a day to day in a more psychological,
• 27:32
  if you way, if you will, a psychological way, anyway, colored
• 27:36
  deficiency does not inherently mean a lower quality of life. I think we should
• 27:40
  not assume that people who have some kind of color deficiency are novels also then
• 27:45
  incapable of living life to the fullest. Of course, they can't. They
• 27:48
  have great lives, right, as we said, a lot of times they
• 27:49
  don't even know that they're color deficient for a long time until for some reason
• 27:53
  that is put to the test and or someone points out something that they've selected
• 27:57
  or have trouble selecting, or something of that nature, and then it becomes
• 28:02
  apparent. But otherwise, which would certainly expect that they can live those full
• 28:04
  lives. But many people do not understand the extent to which that they people
• 28:11
  who are not colored efficient will depend on in use colors, and this can
• 28:14
  make the world a little more difficult for people to navigate when they have trouble
• 28:18
  telling some of those colors apart. People will sort of inherently they might put
• 28:22
  red and green text together on something, and that just becomes a washed out
• 28:26
  mess for someone who's trying to tell those things apart, right right, And
• 28:30
  it can be really difficult to tell the various gradients of things that are supposed
• 28:33
  to represent colors, and they have trouble telling what those are. So colors
• 28:37
  are used in a lot of different ways to communicate things, and so if
• 28:41
  people are doing that, then it'll be difficult for people who are have deficiency
• 28:47
  in discriminating colors to participate meaningfully in those communications. Also, colored efficiency can
• 28:55
  actually result in the lack of access to certain jobs. So pilots, doctors,
• 28:59
  firefights, navy military, electricians, public transportation drivers, they require some
• 29:06
  level I mean specifically pilots, you have to have twenty twenty vision without any
• 29:08
  sort of impairments or you can't be a pilot. Right. That's something that
• 29:12
  does come up time and time again to be cleared though with many of those
• 29:15
  jobs, altering the practice of how colors are used could open those jobs up
• 29:19
  to people with color deficiencies. So a lot of times those jobs are set
• 29:25
  up and built to use color in different ways, but it might not be
• 29:30
  necessary in a lot of places. So I think that's I think that's kind
• 29:33
  of an important thing to remember. I think, you know, the electrician
• 29:34
  one really stands out to me is like I presume I didn't I didn't check
• 29:38
  this out, but I presume that the reasonable electrician is a difficult job for
• 29:44
  someone who's color deficients to be able to have, and maybe they're prevented from
• 29:48
  having is because the colors of wires, Well, if we just relied on
• 29:53
  ways of showing what wires are without using colors, use patterns, or to
• 30:00
  use or easy distinguished colors or something as symbols or anything like that, then
• 30:04
  that wouldn't matter, right, Like anybody could do that now, that would
• 30:07
  be a huge shift considering where we are at currently to move to using a
• 30:14
  completely new system. They would be a while before people could do that,
• 30:18
  but I don't think it's unreasonable to say it'd be worth making that shift so
• 30:22
  that we don't have those things being blocked for people who could do a really
• 30:26
  good job. I'm not the person that's smart enough to figure that out,
• 30:29
  because I'm thinking of like small electronic components that have bands on them that will
• 30:34
  tell you the different color of like there, you know, all of that
• 30:37
  where that might require really good eyesight to see whatever that symbol is on that
• 30:41
  particularly miniature component. So I think about that and I'm just kind of like,
• 30:47
  I don't know how to figure that out, but it is worth having
• 30:49
  the conversation to see if that shift could impact that industry a little bit.
• 30:53
  Okay, so can color deficiency impact or affect someone's personality of the devote ment
• 31:00
  of their personality? Understanding what personality is necessary here, and we've done an
• 31:03
  episode or two on that. In the extent to which personality the whole idea
• 31:08
  of personality what it is, and classifying personalities is simply a label to categorize
• 31:14
  a person's general patterns of behavior and preferences. A lack of color perception could
• 31:19
  be something that indirectly shapes some patterns of behavior and preferences. Yeah, it
• 31:23
  could be a thing. So the short answer is yes, it could,
• 31:27
  but really not significantly enough to predict how someone's heavy scare quotes here personality will
• 31:33
  turn out, obviously, because personality is just a category for like things.
• 31:40
  As we said that people tend to do right, and so if they are
• 31:45
  learning history is shaped by how they interact with or don't interact with certain colors,
• 31:48
  then to an extent, yes, but not in any way that's so
• 31:52
  meaningful that we'd say, like, here's what to expect. The personality type
• 31:56
  of someone with dutan color or deficiency would be like, right, it doesn't
• 32:00
  work like that, So it's really not predictive of what you'd expect certain things
• 32:05
  to be. But it's not to say that it wouldn't. Like how we
• 32:07
  interact with the world is part of what shapes our overall preferences and tendencies and
• 32:12
  therefore our personality. And if how we interact with the world is does not
• 32:16
  contain certain features that it might for someone else, that it's reasonable to expect
• 32:20
  there would be some influence there, sure, but again just not very predictive
• 32:23
  in what direction or how or how meaningful it actually is. Right, absolutely,
• 32:28
  so, you may if you are somebody who has ever been on the
• 32:31
  internet, you may have seen these videos where somebody who has a pretty significant
• 32:37
  color deficiency is given these what seemed to be magical glasses that allow them to
• 32:45
  see the world in all the colors they could not see. It's worth talking
• 32:49
  about that for a second because those are really great videos that will one percent
• 32:54
  make you cry because they just they seem so like the people that get them
• 32:58
  are so wholesome. So what I've been working on developing lenses that do help
• 33:01
  distinguish between shades of colors, particularly for people with mild and you I'm gonna
• 33:07
  say that again with mild color deficiencies of red and green colors. Yeah,
• 33:10
  So the way these work because I remember learning about this and thinking like,
• 33:15
  all right, if your cones aren't processing light distinguished like different types of wavelength,
• 33:23
  how could glasses possibly change what your cones are doing? Right? Right,
• 33:28
  if you change the wavelength of light, it looks like a different color.
• 33:31
  Like we specifically use filters to do that with light all the time.
• 33:36
  Anyway, the way that these lenses works, they're made of special minerals that
• 33:39
  absorb and filter different wavelengths of light, specifically the ones that are most likely
• 33:45
  to be confused. Thus it improves the wearer's ability to see those colors as
• 33:51
  being distinct. So what that all means is if someone had trouble, for
• 33:55
  example, telling red from green, what these glasses do a sort of helps
• 34:01
  filter. So the parts of red and green that overlap and are sort of
• 34:06
  being confused by the cones in the retina, those are no longer close enough
• 34:13
  to be confused, and now they do appear as distinct colors. Okay,
• 34:17
  interesting. So the extent to which just works depends on the exact deficiency of
• 34:22
  the person and how severely they experience it. So again, this is not
• 34:25
  going to work for every single person that has a color deficiency. It's only
• 34:29
  going to work for folks they typically have a milder deficiency or a very specific
• 34:32
  deficiency. So these lenses don't actually change one's perception of color, and having
• 34:37
  a complete absence of perception of some color is not correctable by lenses. So
• 34:42
  kind of going back to what you're saying is if my hardware literally cannot receive
• 34:45
  the information under any circumstances, a pair of glasses is not going to make
• 34:50
  it receive it better. Right, So I would have to literally replace the
• 34:53
  cones in my eyes to working cones for them to be able to perceive this
• 34:59
  color, and as far as we know, that's not really anything. But
• 35:00
  the effects do not train the brain to see these colors either, So you
• 35:06
  can't train something where you literally can't receive the information. They only work when
• 35:09
  they are being worn and do not affect the brain or optic nerve, and
• 35:14
  only again affect people with a mild deficiency in this right. So what that
• 35:20
  probably translates to is thinking about if someone does have trouble distinguishing red from green,
• 35:23
  and they put on these lenses, assuming that again it's fairly my own,
• 35:27
  that they then maybe can see red and green, but only sort of
• 35:30
  the extremes, and that they often looks like red and green just look very
• 35:34
  similar in color to them. This would allow red and green to look very
• 35:37
  distinct, or relatively distinct, I should say. So there would be things
• 35:42
  that they would have seen before is looking sort of monochromatic and the same that
• 35:46
  all of a sudden now they would see differences in the patterns of red and
• 35:50
  green that they weren't seen before. Then they might see things that previously looked
• 35:54
  like it was sort of a washed out version of color, and now they
• 35:57
  see those colors emerging again. It's because the confusing overlap of wavelengths has been
• 36:01
  removed, and so what looked like sort of a mess now looks relatively clear
• 36:06
  in terms of being able to tell the colors apart. Right, That to
• 36:09
  me does make sense, you know what I mean, Like you sort of
• 36:10
  filtered out the confusing part and left only the most distinguished. But they're not
• 36:15
  going to see a lot of nuances of those colors because red and green blend
• 36:19
  together to make different colors and so how those are being distinguished essentially just allows
• 36:23
  them to be told differently. They're not going to look at the same way
• 36:27
  that someone who is not colored deficient sees those colors, or another episode will
• 36:32
  linked to this is the tetrachromacy, which is seen more than three colors,
• 36:37
  where some people who see even more vibrantly. It's very rare, but it's
• 36:42
  out there. So some other things about these color correcting lenses. First,
• 36:45
  they can be expensive. It may not provide the results one's hoping for.
• 36:49
  So it's good to test them out if possible, and determine if they are
• 36:52
  likely to provide any sort of enhanced experience. Otherwise, don't waste your money.
• 36:54
  I mean they're hundreds of dollars. Yeah, and they are almost never
• 36:58
  covered by insurance as it's considered almost cosmetic. Yeah, and it's use Yeah,
• 37:04
  it's like a comfort thing. It's like, oh, this might help
• 37:07
  you feel a little, you know, more in touch with these colors,
• 37:09
  but not medically necessarious or how they see it right now. Another thing to
• 37:14
  know is that these glasses or lenses, because they do have these in contact
• 37:17
  form. I don't think we said, but they do have like glasses you
• 37:20
  can wear, and they do have contacts that do this, they could potentially
• 37:22
  worsen nighttime vision, particularly if someone has low light visual acuity issues as well,
• 37:30
  which can accompany other color deficiencies. But yeah, wearing these lenses might
• 37:34
  actually make scene and nineteen more difficult because it's already filtering some light out,
• 37:38
  and so if you're in a low light environment and lights still being filtered out
• 37:42
  further, it might be a little harder to see. So just an important
• 37:45
  consideration there, right, And then color contrast enhancing lenses for photographers and hunters
• 37:50
  do not actually filter light in a way that would beneficial for most people with
• 37:53
  colored deficiencies. So, like, these tools that exist for folks that have
• 37:59
  to use light in imagery for their work is not going to have the same
• 38:02
  effect for those folks with color deficiencies. It doesn't really do the same thing.
• 38:07
  Yeah, you might be like looking and saying like, well, I
• 38:08
  don't have to go to not the homologists get these prescribed color glasses. I
• 38:13
  can like just go to the capellas and pick up some hunting colored contrast enhancing
• 38:19
  glasses. I'm like, it doesn't really work that way. Those are not
• 38:21
  designed to facilitate the distinctions and wavelengths that people are needing when they have colored
• 38:27
  deficiency. Right, It's possible that, like on accident, it might help
• 38:30
  some people, but I do not depend on it, and I wouldn't waste
• 38:32
  your time. Really no, Okay, now we do have some interesting tidbits
• 38:37
  after, we do have some uninteresting ads. Okay, we're back. There's
• 38:49
  some other sort of fun factoid type things that we found about color deficiency.
• 38:52
  Yes, there are apps that allow you to take a picture, then tap
• 38:55
  on parts of the picture and the app will tell you what color it is.
• 38:59
  So that's nice that if you need help with something like that, it
• 39:01
  will give you at least the answers. It's kind of like an answer key
• 39:06
  for the world of color. Yeah, I mean you have to have your
• 39:08
  device with you, with phone or at tablet or whatever. Sure, I
• 39:10
  think it hell and that's great. I'm glad that there's more tools out there
• 39:15
  for people with colored efficiency. Right. I found a website called color blind
• 39:19
  guide dot com, and they offer some suggestions for what might be considered advantages
• 39:25
  for colored deficiency. A lot of them seem like they weren't exactly advantages.
• 39:30
  And we're very odd twists on logic around this, so I didn't include more
• 39:36
  than a couple, but a couple that I thought were maybe potentially legitimate as
• 39:39
  there was. One they point out is that color deficient people they often really
• 39:45
  have to memorize a lot, because it's sort of like they'll have to memorize
• 39:49
  what color something is supposed to be that they can't necessarily see, or what
• 39:52
  a color is supposed to mean because they don't easily they don't just recognize it,
• 39:57
  they have to like actually sort of process it more deliberate, and therefore
• 40:00
  the argument they have here is that they get more exercise of their sort of
• 40:05
  memory and their logical deduction and sort of working distinction that they have to work
• 40:09
  through. So sure I could see that the logic is not absent in my
• 40:13
  mind from that argument, Yeah, that makes sense. Color deficiency is also
• 40:17
  sought in some jobs to help ensure that products are visually accessible to color deficient
• 40:22
  patrons. So that's kind of nice. It's like having the ability to kind
• 40:25
  of say, hey, like you are going to be somebody who may be
• 40:28
  a consumer of this product, can you let me know if this is useful
• 40:31
  for you or any sort of feedback you might have. Yeah, And as
• 40:36
  one who has described many times in many ways my love of board games,
• 40:39
  there's been an increasing trend in game designers making sure that their products are vision
• 40:46
  friendly to people with vision impairments and color deficiencies, which I think is great.
• 40:52
  I really appreciate that there's more of a shift now towards considering that because
• 40:55
  so many things have depended on colors to work the game right Again, I'm
• 41:01
  just talking about board games right now, but thinking about like, well,
• 41:05
  let's just make this as accessible as possible to as many people as possible.
• 41:07
  I think it is really smart, Like why exclude people and you don't have
• 41:10
  to, right exactly. I love that there are some famous people who are
• 41:15
  color deficient, some names that will drop really quick. We've got Bill Clinton
• 41:21
  and Christopher Nolan, no relation to each other other than the color deficiency,
• 41:24
  I think, right, which makes sense that Christopher, all of Christopher Nolan's
• 41:29
  movies are so the same color that that's a good point that explains the color
• 41:36
  palettes of like Dark Knight. Now. Yeah, Eddie Redmaine and Howie Mandel
• 41:43
  both are color deficient, apparently. Keano Reeves and Mark Zuckerberg so I don't
• 41:47
  know kind of color deficiency Keano reeves as, but I'm wondering if the green
• 41:52
  of the matrix just looked like I don't know what it may have looked like.
• 41:55
  Since green is the most common, maybe that's what he has, right,
• 41:58
  And we do know what Mark Zuckerberg's color deficiency is. He just can't
• 42:01
  see any colors in human that's right. So that's where he struggles. You
• 42:06
  know. Something I was thinking about as sort of putting together the notes for
• 42:08
  this is I kept thinking of scenes in my mind of TV shows and movies
• 42:15
  that use color deficiency as part of the plot in some way. One that
• 42:20
  set out to me that's a little bit older film at this point that many
• 42:22
  people may have seen is called Little Miss Sunshine. Great cast in that movie,
• 42:28
  anyway, there's a whole section of the movie that's based around discovering someone
• 42:34
  having a color deficiency. I'm not going to spoil for anybody who hasn't seen
• 42:37
  it, but one to check out. It's a pretty powerful scene. There's
• 42:39
  also The New Girl, which is, you know, it could be a
• 42:43
  fun show. I haven't watched a whole lot of it, so, but
• 42:45
  there is there are some plot points that have to do with this A New
• 42:47
  Girl. Yeah, one of the characters has They later discover he has color
• 42:52
  deficiency, and there's some jokes around that, like he thinks his shoes are
• 42:58
  brown and they're actually green, and they're like, if you think those are
• 43:00
  green, what color do you think you are? Because he has dark skin.
• 43:02
  And then the other one in there is as then they get him those
• 43:06
  color correcting glasses, but for him, he can see the full color spectrum
• 43:09
  automatically, and it's just like this incredible, Like not really how those work
• 43:14
  for most people, right right, but it was. It was a fun
• 43:15
  plot point. You gotta suspend your disbelief, you know, exactly. Also
• 43:20
  the horror movie Suspiria, which I don't remember there being a color deficiency plot
• 43:27
  point, but I also have not watched the entire movie. That's fair.
• 43:30
  We looked up a couple of these. The other one this is what I
• 43:32
  haven't seen, but apparently The Color of Night is another one that has color
• 43:36
  deficiency as part of the plot or something. Yeah, the psychoanalystis in it
• 43:40
  is a color deficion Oh got it? Have you seen that one? I
• 43:44
  have not. It's a Bruce Willis movie. Oh interesting, Okay, so
• 43:46
  maybe I'll just check it out. Maybe. Yeah, I don't know.
• 43:50
  I mean, he's got some duds, that is true, the person does,
• 43:54
  but I do like Bruce willis generally speaking. Yeah, So, there
• 43:58
  are also doctors working on genetic therapies to address the genetic cause of color blindness
• 44:02
  and color deficiencies. However, this has not been tested in humans, it
• 44:06
  may not be available for a long time if ever, So just know that
• 44:12
  people were working on it, but there's there's not much we can do about
• 44:15
  it right now. Yeah, yeah, so we'll see just for you know,
• 44:19
  and again it's it's thinking about the people in the disability community who that
• 44:22
  becomes part of their identity. Obviously, if they if they want to maintain
• 44:27
  that, then they should have the right to do that. But I think
• 44:30
  for people who would like to be able to distinguish those colors more easily,
• 44:34
  if there was some kind of cure that they could apply at a genetic level
• 44:38
  that has no other major harmful side effects, it'd be cool to help those
• 44:42
  people, I think, if they want it, if they want it,
• 44:45
  yeah, absolutely all right, I think. So we have to say about
• 44:47
  color deficiency and color blindness, I was really curious how this all sort of
• 44:52
  worked, and like I knew bits and pieces of it, but I definitely
• 44:54
  learned quite a bit and being able to understand enough to communicate all the things
• 45:00
  that I was able to find. So hopefully you'll learn something too. I
• 45:04
  think it's super fascinating when you think about this thing that people talk about and
• 45:07
  it doesn't seem to have the kind of impact, Like it doesn't seem to
• 45:12
  have like a great psychological impact more than let's say, just somebody who doesn't
• 45:17
  have color deficiency, right, Like, there are no there's nothing that's like
• 45:21
  greater in terms of a struggle that goes along with that, except for access
• 45:23
  to certain occupations and stuff like that. So I thought that was kind of
• 45:28
  a fascinating when you think about it from a psychological standpoint, end up changing
• 45:30
  your patterns or behavior based on like accommodating this thing, Yeah, exactly,
• 45:35
  And I think that's you know, where we generally come in is what we
• 45:37
  feel like we have to major offer. I think understanding the biological and general
• 45:42
  context for it is important, right, but where I think where we weigh
• 45:46
  in generally speaking as understanding that this is why you might expect some amount of
• 45:52
  impairment to affect ones in engagement the world, and this one I think falls
• 45:57
  into the general category of impairment. You would expect things like other perceptual impairments,
• 46:01
  right, general visual impairments, if you have trouble smelling things, if
• 46:05
  you have trouble with hearing things like those are other ways that we interact with
• 46:09
  the world. Now. Vision and auditory impairments are relevant in the sense that
• 46:14
  those are used most commonly for communication or smell isn't necessarily a major source of
• 46:20
  communication among us, right, And so that's part of the reason I think
• 46:22
  we spend so much time in understanding and impacting and trying to develop therapies to
• 46:29
  help with those perception systems is because the related to our communication where social organism
• 46:35
  or social species. That's where we have placed a lot of value in premium
• 46:38
  honorability to communicate with one another. And understandably, so I think that there's
• 46:43
  other things that are relevant to that that we won't get into now. But
• 46:46
  yeah, yeah, I love it cool. Well, we in case you're
• 46:51
  joining us for the first time, and even if you've been with us for
• 46:52
  a long time, then one of our segments of the show that I think
• 46:55
  is one of the most fun is we get to recommend some things. Sometimes
• 46:59
  it's like a thing, sometimes it's like an activity. Sometimes it's something else.
• 47:02
  Yeah, sometimes it's a general philosophy exactly. But first we needed to
• 47:07
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• 47:09
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• 47:14
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• 47:17
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• 47:20
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• 47:24
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• 47:29
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• 47:32
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• 47:37
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• 47:39
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• 47:45
  Wilson. Thank you to my team, without whom this would be a fool's
• 47:49
  errand cannot do this. We're happy to be here. Cool well, thank
• 47:53
  you, and thank you for recording with me today. Shane. Of course,
• 47:55
  thank you everyone for listening. And now I think it is time for
• 48:00
  commendations. Let's do itations. Okay, I am recommending something that is going
• 48:13
  to be highly inaccessible to a lot of people, and I apologize, but
• 48:16
  I'm making this a broad recommendation, and that is electric vehicles. So I
• 48:22
  found myself in the unfortunate position of having to buy a car. I decided
• 48:24
  to go the electric vehicle route of buying a car. But what I would
• 48:29
  say, and the reason I think I can make this broad is just electric
• 48:32
  vehicles generally is if you have a chance to rent an electric vehicle, like
• 48:37
  for some reason, they might be kind of a cool. Way to check
• 48:38
  them out. There are lots of caveats, I think an understanding, and
• 48:43
  people have lots of criticisms of them. Many of those criticisms are valid,
• 48:46
  many of them are not. Anyway, I have found it to be a
• 48:50
  very cool experience. There are a lot of fun to drive. They're very
• 48:53
  quiet, which I very much appreciate, and not having to pay for gas
• 48:58
  is really lovely. I gotta say, right, yeah, that's nice,
• 49:02
  that's nice, like perk. Yeah, I really enjoy not paying for gas.
• 49:06
  I've heard of people who will get these electric vehicles and then they'll add
• 49:09
  in the sound of the engine. And to me, that's like I'm gonna
• 49:14
  get this beverage of some sort and I'm gonna add in the flavor of urine.
• 49:17
  Like, don't do that. That's just bad. Yeah, it's you're
• 49:22
  not obligated to. Yeah, I don't understand. I cannot even begin to
• 49:28
  understand why someone would want to add I mean I could, but I choose
• 49:31
  not to because it's ridiculous because the sound of weird. There was a joke,
• 49:36
  a joke I sort of made. Someone was talking about it was like
• 49:37
  an icebreaker thing, like what's your favorite sound of car makes? And I
• 49:40
  was like, all right, if you're really quiet, this is my favorite
• 49:43
  sound of car. Makes no sound at all, no sound. All the
• 49:51
  sounds are bad. Playing music. That's a good sound of car and make
• 49:54
  right. But you don't need a car for that anyway. They're very quiet,
• 49:58
  which I very much appreciate. That's my recommendation is if you have a
• 50:00
  chance, check out an electric vehicle. They're pretty cool. I think that's
• 50:04
  great. I love that. I love that. So my recommendation is a
• 50:07
  place. It's an Orlando. It's at the City Walk, which is our
• 50:10
  the Universal kind of like their version of Disney Spring. It's like a shopping
• 50:15
  like food kind of place. There's like a movie theater there and like it
• 50:17
  butts up against both the theme parks, the Islands of Adventure and Universal Studios.
• 50:22
  One of the things they have there that's right next to the hard Rock
• 50:25
  Cafe and the hard Rock Live Place is a place called the toothsome Chocolate Emporium
• 50:31
  and Savory Feast Kitchen. Wow. Yeah, it's a mouthful literally, so
• 50:37
  it's known for his desserts, but they have like a full kitchen. It
• 50:39
  serves like you know, American style, like burgers, French fries, pasta,
• 50:44
  stuff like that. Sure. The thing about this place is it's all
• 50:45
  very over the top. It's a steampunk themed place that their mascot is like
• 50:51
  a steampunk robot that looks like he's from the movie Robots if you're familiar with
• 50:54
  that with Robin Williams a little bit. Yeah. So when you walk in,
• 50:58
  they have like these cases on the left side they have like their ice
• 51:00
  cream stuff, their milkshakes. They do these really crazy milkhakes, which I'll
• 51:04
  talk about, and then they have on the right side, they have truffles
• 51:06
  and cakes and fudge and all the things that are like kind of like really
• 51:12
  rich chocolate, delectable things. Okay, and right now it's a lot of
• 51:15
  fun because they're doing a lot of Halloween horridite stuff. So you know,
• 51:16
  you get a macro and that's like looks like a mummy or a bat or
• 51:20
  pumpkin, and you know, it's all cute. There's cake that has like
• 51:22
  a little chocolate butcher knife that goes in the top. But this place is
• 51:24
  really known for its specific milkshakes. They do these specialty milkshakes that are the
• 51:31
  thing that you see online that are like the very over the top ones,
• 51:36
  the ones that have like a doughnut or like a whole a whole cake on
• 51:38
  it and stuff, and that's what this place does. I was surprised by
• 51:42
  how consumable they were, though, Like, even though it seems like a
• 51:46
  lot, it was, it didn't feel like a lot eating one of these
• 51:50
  things or drinking one of these things, like you know, you would expect
• 51:52
  it to be like a sugar bomb overload, and it really wasn't like that.
• 51:54
  So I'm gonna go through this. I got a milkshake called the Fortune
• 51:58
  Teller Milkshake, which is vanilla ice cream. Came with a chocolate tarot card
• 52:00
  and the milkshake itself was apple pie Dulto de light Ja cinnamon and it had
• 52:06
  bat sprinkles and whip cream. Wow. Yeah, it was a lot of
• 52:09
  fun. But they have like a confetti one that comes with like a piece
• 52:13
  of confetti cake on top of the milkjake. There's a vegan one that's the
• 52:15
  Pineapple upside Down Cake that's got brown sugar, caramel pineapples, and oat milk
• 52:20
  whipping whip topping like whip cream. Wow. My son got a one that's
• 52:23
  called That's Mint and it was a minty chocolate chip ice cream Andy's Mints a
• 52:30
  milk chocolate chip ice cream sandwich on top. So it was a milkshake with
• 52:32
  whip cream and it came with its own ice cream sandwich. They were all
• 52:36
  really good, Like, they were all really really good. So I strongly
• 52:39
  recommend its place just because it's fun and the novelty of it's really ridiculous.
• 52:44
  Yeah, probably not a place you want to eat like every day. No,
• 52:46
  no, no, no, no, no, but if you're looking
• 52:50
  to put a week's worth of calories away in one sitting, that sounds like
• 52:53
  a place to check out. This will do it if you really want to
• 52:57
  do it. The strawberry Cheesecake milkhake is we'll do that. It's a sour
• 53:00
  cream ice cream, a slice of cheesecake, Graham crackers, whiptopping, and
• 53:05
  chocolate dips strawberry on top. So yeah, it'll that'll do it for you.
• 53:08
  Oh, I love that. That's so awesome. Well, good on
• 53:10
  them and good recommendation. I hope, I hope people have a chance to
• 53:14
  check that out. That sounds like a lot of fun. Yeah, it's
• 53:15
  so great all right. If you'd like to tell us about your favorite desserts,
• 53:19
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• 53:22
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• 53:42
  try and start cutting back on that a little bit. So is there anything
• 53:44
  else to add or anything else that I forgot before we head out of here?
• 53:47
  Shane? No, I think that covers it on my end. Perfect
• 53:51
  And this is Apram, This is Shane. We're out. See. Yeah,
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