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They Insulted our Prophet! (Ft. Mohamed Ali) · After Maghrib 🌙

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For La La Ho Ali Kya Rasul Allah Wahala Ali Batekal Mahalo means
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Mila Rahman Rahim Salaam Ali Kum and welcome back to another
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weekly conversation on the aftermath of podcast.
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We are now approaching the end of the month of Safar, where
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many Muslims around the world are commemorating the Wafat, or
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rather the Esteshard of Rasulla A.
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As our final messenger. We need to discuss him.
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We need to discuss his life. We need to look into what
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happened towards his final moments throughout his lifetime
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and what made him Rasola. This is what we aim to do on
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this week's conversation. As always, I would like to
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welcome my esteemed, energetic, Charamistic.
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I can't rhyme any. I was going to say charismatic,
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charismatic, That's the one as every week, Ahmed Abbas Gokul.
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How are you doing? I'm well.
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How are you? I know exactly what you're going
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to say. I've waited about half an hour
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for you to arrive. But in the Linsanel, if it
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happens, I apologize for my delay.
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I had a long experience at the petrol station.
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A story for another day in Shala.
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I want to hear it. Yeah, another day in Shala.
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Otherwise we'll keep going. I don't want to bore you now,
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joining us in this week's conversation.
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Yeah, one of the boys. It's been a long time coming
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since your last appearance, Mohammed Ali.
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So welcome back to the podcast. Bro, where it all started, man?
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Where it all started? And for those who don't know,
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But for anyone who doesn't know what Jeremiah Knights is, and
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obviously it's part of the aftermath of the brand at large,
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but how would you describe what you do on Jeremiah Knights?
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So like German Knights is just like a little podcast where we
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discuss like different topics every week, every religious like
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a religious topic and then we have a contemporary topic after
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So that's like the gist of German Knights and then the
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contemporary topic. We choose something different
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every week, and yet Hamdler's been going well.
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I've been glad and I really appreciate all the support that
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I've been getting from the viewers and obviously from the
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team after Margarib. So yeah, it's been good at
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Hamdulla. It's been cool, man, cuz the
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idea behind the production of it is to engage like a niche of the
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community, like a young audience who.
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Know that there are, there are so many, sometimes conflicting
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things sources within different texts.
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Sometimes there's things in text which we don't really understand
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what clarification on. But generally speaking,
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everything we believe in can be found in Shia books and and
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sometimes not even in Shia books.
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And in books of of, you know, other sex, especially in as a
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Sonoma Jamar. So it's cool.
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It's nice because we're able to talk about religious matters for
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a young audience without boring people to death, I hope.
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I hope anyway as well. You're doing good, man.
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The Handler has been cool. It's been cool if no one's if
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anyone hasn't had Mohammed Ali's first aftermal podcast, it was
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on racism and the heritage of imams, racism and African imams.
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What's the fact? Yes, racism.
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That was about 40 episodes ago, and yeah.
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It's been a long journey, been a.
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Journey been a journey. So say where do we go?
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Where do we go from here? So good question.
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And you know, before we were actually starting the recording
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of the podcast, before you arrived early, Havivi, me and me
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and Mohammed Ali were actually discussing, sorry to repeat
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this, Me and Mohammed Ali were discussing, you know, this, this
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idea, well, not the idea of the, the historic, the relations that
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we come across, the calamity of Thursday.
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Yeah. And I and I think that's an
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important, you know, place to start this conversation because
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it's sort of it's like a turning point of Muslims.
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And I and I know you, you have, you know, some sort of detailed
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answer to this. That's from why I understand it.
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Yeah. And I have.
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I've heard it from the pulpits and everything.
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But the fact I have you here and Charlotte, I'm going to learn
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more. And whoever's listening and
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watching is going to understand this.
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From what I've understood, the calamity of Thursday was at a
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time where Muhammad Ali, while he was selling, was laying on
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the deathbed, if we can call it so.
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And he asked, you know, for the companions that were there
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around him to bring him a pen and paper so that he can write
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for them something so that the Uma of Muhammad will never go
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astray. Some said the Prophet is
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delusional only Villa. Some said, you know, he's not on
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the right state of mind, but what exactly happened?
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Right. So we've actually brought Sahil
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Bukhari here today. So this, I've got a summarized
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version of it, right. So it's not the whole thing.
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Yeah, but. It's got the narration in there
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about it and obviously it's something that all Muslims agree
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upon that happened, right? We have the famous narration of
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Eben Abbas and he very clearly he says that he called it this
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name, this Rositer Hamis the the calamity of Thursday.
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He he he himself, he considered it to be a great calamity that
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Rasul was asked for something. And the people have refused to
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give it to him or they've they've called him delirious or
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they've said, you know, he's not in this right state of mind.
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And you see that here in in Bihari, we've got the narration
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it been Abbas. He mentions it and it's Bihali
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mentions it very clearly that it been Abbas.
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He says when the element of the prophet became worse, he said
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bring for me a PayPal right for you a statement after which you
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will not go as straight but Omar Ravi, Allahu and who as Muhari
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says. The Prophet said the Prophet is
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seriously ill and we have got a large book with us and that is
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sufficient for us. But the companions of the
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prophet differed about this and there was a hue and cry and on
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that the prophet said to them go away and leave me alone.
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Is not right that you should quarrel in front of me, so he
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got upset from them. Yeah, the fact he said.
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Go away. There's a lot of things here.
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One is that even our bus is like a unanimously and university
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accepted narrator and his like. He has a track record of he's
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not making things up, pleasing both sides in it.
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In terms of the the Omma, like you know, he spent time with
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Omma and he was an advisor for him as well.
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And even though he's a lot younger, yeah, yeah, a lot
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younger. Omma even kind of turned to him
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for guidance and at the same time he had a a relationship
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with the 100 days in Muslim and for like this hadith is
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groundbreaking. Yeah, like the fact that he's
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narrating it is is a big deal. And the way I see it first and
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foremost, but someone might turn around, they'll be like the the
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Prophet saying I'm going to write something so you don't go
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astray. We know I'm, we're thinking
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what? What could he be writing?
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And then if Omar replies saying no, we have Kitab, Allah
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already, we're good. So someone might just say, well
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we know what the Prophet would have written.
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Is that like a fair? Assessment or like a fair
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assumption to make. I think that the thing here is
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that Rossulula it's clear that you know obviously he's already
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said what he said after the he's already said that I've left
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behind for you the KITAB and my AHIL bet, right.
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But he said those things Rossulula wants to write it down
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engrave it, show everybody and say look this is something I've
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written and this is a big point right about him writing.
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You see the the other Muslims what they say that Rossulula
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couldn't write. Yeah, but this is a.
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Big. Proof that Rasulla is actually
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saying bring me a pen and paper on me, right?
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Yeah, yeah. On me, right.
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And obviously the Imams, I'll debate what they say that on me
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refers to him being from Mecca, from Umul Hora, Right.
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And they say that this means illiteracy.
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But that's what's the most interesting part, that this is
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found in the narration. And it's a Sahi narration.
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It's in Bihari and Rasulla is asking for a pen and paper to
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write. Yeah.
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So that's a big point, like on on our part, On our part when we
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say that a solo could read and write.
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But more than that, when we're looking at this narration, look
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at the look at the situation here.
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Yeah. And let's look at it from a
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Quranic perspective as well, right.
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Just really quickly. Yeah.
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I don't want to like, you know, go on a monologue.
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Yeah, but. If we take a look at this
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quranically, you see a lot of aspects are covered in this,
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right? The first thing is right, Omar
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says that the Quran, the book of Allah is sufficient for us,
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right? And the Quran itself is saying
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that. Ross Ullah is there to explain
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the Quran, right? Who will let the Anzal Ali Kal
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Kitab menu Ayato Muskamatz until the end of the eye?
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And then he says that then no one knows the interpretation of
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except Allah and those who he's given knowledge, right.
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So someone needs to explain this book, but he's going to get the
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Quran in that way. Then you have the fact that
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they've raised their voices and they've argued in the presence
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of Ross Ullah and he said leave me, it's not right for you guys
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to quarrel in front of me. What do we see in the Quran?
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Soros or Hojarat? Yeah, I love saying yeah, you
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had Ladina Aminu. Let her follow us.
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Watch from focus also in the league, or you who have
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believed. Don't raise your voices above
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the voice of the prophet and don't shout and scream the way
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that you do with each other, lest all of your actions go to
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waste. You see that small action of
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obviously it's not small action. The Quran is saying by doing
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that all of your actions are gone.
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Right. All the good things you've done,
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they don't mean anything anymore.
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So sometimes, you know we have people from other schools of
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thought. They say to us, you know this
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person, how can you she are you hate him and you know he he
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conquered. I don't know, he conquered
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Persia. He took Islam to the furthest
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out. And it's like, let's take a look
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at this from the Quran. The Quran is saying through this
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action, all of your actions could be rendered null and void
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as if you had never done anything good at all.
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That's the second part. Then you have the fact that
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Asula kicked them out. That part is the bit that is
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like it. It.
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It literally, it engraves it. Yeah.
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That's the the final nail in the coffin.
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Why? Because MB R never kick people
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out. MB R are there to bring more men
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in together. They're not there to send them
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away. And you have that in the Quran.
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Yeah. And there be no.
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He says very clearly when my Anna Betara didn't.
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I will never kick out or send away people that believe the
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clock of the MB R is to never send believers away and then
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Allah, He even orders Rasula in the Quran that do not send away.
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When I talk to Radul Ladine at una Rab bahum you re doing a
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wedge her don't ever send people away that are calling upon Allah
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seeking his face. They have sincerity in their
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hearts. If you were to do this, he's
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speaking to Rasul Allah, you would be from the oppressors a
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lot saying that to the Prophet. If you were to send them away,
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you would be from the oppressors.
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So this is a question you need to ask.
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When we read this narration, you ask the people that have this
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narration in their books. Yeah, look at it in the Quran, I
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was told Rasulah, don't kick out the people that are sincere
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towards there. Love towards a lot.
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They're looking for a lot. They're sincere, otherwise you'd
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be from the oppressors. Did you think maybe it's a
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symbolic thing? Like there's a lot of instances
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in the life the only Prophet Muhammad's on the Lahore Aliy
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while your son and where he did. Acts like whether it's, for
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example gathering his family under the Cassa or the cloak,
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whether it's, for example a middleman million sleeping in
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his bed. A lot of individual acts had a
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longterm symbolic status until today.
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And then obviously this. The same argument is used for
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those who do not believe in the will have middleman million.
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We'll say for example, Abu Baker led the Salah in the absence of
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the Prophet or at the point of the death of the Prophet.
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They say this is symbolic for the fact that he was chosen as
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the next leader or. He was the one who was the most
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qualified, arguably to be the next.
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So if we live in that sort of world, or we live in this
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polemical system where shortterm acts or like small things can be
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symbolic, we could argue that the decision of the holy profit
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Mohammed to to tell people to evacuate a room is more than
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just him being upset in the moment.
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Putting it as, Oh no, it's okay, he was upset.
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It was a momentary thing, you know.
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He had a great relationship with this companion.
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Surely that meant a lot more. Do you know what I mean?
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Especially if I last told him not to.
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Don't kick them out. Don't kick out people that are
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sincere. Yeah.
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So of course it has to be symbolic.
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Rasunla is not going to act in defiance of the Quran and be
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called an oppressor by Allah or you know it's very shocking if
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we if we live here now today in 2023 we take Rasunla law Salah
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Ali Hawaii Salam as you know our ultimate guide.
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Now you are there besides the man you are beside Muhammad
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Salah and to you know have that satanic for thinking that Rasola
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is delusional and then you know deny his request and then you
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know for you know you don't say that you know the the illness
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has overtaken him and this is Rasola law I know we we as
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follows of the Helen base we fully believe Rasola law Salah
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Lahala while you sell them is the best of creation that's the
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way Marsun okay and he's infallible that's the point I
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come to and. At the highest levels of Marsun,
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right. And on top of that, we believe
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and so the other schools of the, you know, Islam believe that
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Rasul a lot. If he say something that is a
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loss of Matala, it's talking 100%, is that correct?
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So if you know this and you are there right beside Mohammed, why
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would you deny that request? Bro if you think about it sorry
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to to keep interrupt you but you wouldn't even do that your
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parents or your grandparents. Like if you're God forbid if you
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if you're in the hospital. Yeah and God forbid your
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grandmother grandfather, your mother your father were on their
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deathbed in the hospital and they said to me for example
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Ahmed get me this. I want to make a note before I
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before I leave this world. I'm not going to say no you're
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delirious. You're too sick.
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What's the harm if I even if I think in my mind, maybe what
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they're going to write is not going to make sense?
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What's the problem? Get the paper.
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Give them the paper. Like if I don't like respect,
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just yeah. It's just respect.
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Me and bro, the level of insult. The level that you're adding
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nothing but salt to a wound of someone who's already ill.
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So someone who's already in that that extreme pain.
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Let alone that person being a soul lover.
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Yeah, man, I can't get. And that's why it's called a
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calamity. It's not a traumatization of a
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small event, as some people have claimed it to be.
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Rather than that, it's a complete disregard.
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Of the status of Rasul La La. You know for example you can
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spend 2530 years with the Rasul La La at the last moment at the
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point of death if you if you don't make that that, if you
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don't leave it on a good note. Finished.
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For example Sheikh Shamali made a really nice point and when he
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talked about death said, I don't know if you had it, you had I
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think you're a stamel that day. He said you could have a
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relationship with someone for like 10 years.
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Let's say you're a landlord. You have a tenant.
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He lives in your flat for 10 years, For 10 years, your
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friends. You, you, you.
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He brings you cookies, you shared dinner, whatever.
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Great relationship on the day the guy moves out of the house,
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imagine he comes to you and he says, by the way, you're my
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landlord, but I hate your house. Your house stinks.
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There's mold everywhere. You think, bro, come on, had
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such a good Why are you going to ruin it?
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On the last day, everything you've built goes down the
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drain. Because at the point of of
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death, like specifically speaking, it's a defining
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moment. So you can throw away.
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Like you said, all of your DS are undone.
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That narration that the eye of the Quran as well about you know
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raising your voices above the profit and you know and you're
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losing all of your actions. Even in Bihari it mentions that
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it was revealed about the 1st and the 2nd Caliph, right.
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So you that adds context that's happened prior in Ross Olava's
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life that they have done that already and a lot has spoken
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against it in the Quran and then?
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Again, here you have the same thing happening, right?
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And you know what's what's crazy as well?
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Yeah. And I don't think people ask
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this question, right. The solos kick them out, OK, But
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you never see that, you know? OK, you've been kicked out by a
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solola. What's your immediate reaction?
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Yeah, that's true. No rejection, nothing.
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What's your immediate reaction? Imagine you're you're OK, you're
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Muslim, you know, people say, you know they weren't Masoom,
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right? You know the maybe Omar, he
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wasn't Masoom. You know, you can make an error.
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He could you know, whatever. But at that point.
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You get kicked out by the soul. What are you doing?
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Right. It's me or you.
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We've been kicked out by the soul.
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Did you ever apologize? Run back.
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You're going to kiss the viewers.
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Please. You are soul.
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I'm sorry, so no apology by the. Way, no apology.
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There's not recorded in any history.
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No recorded in any history that anybody went back and they said
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yes, we're sorry, we apologize, please write I.
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Think I think we have this. At this juncture, it's important
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to make a note that having conversations like this is
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purely for the sake of insight, 100% education.
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Because yeah, we're not trying to pass anyone out or 100%
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disregard anyone's 100%. But it's important for us to
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understand that the belief of what we have is, is is there.
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It's part and partial, by the way.
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The beauty of this narration is that it's that it's unanimous.
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Yes. So it's not something that
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someone can say. You know, the fact we're
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discussing this was sectarian. No way.
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Hell no. Say I want moving on from from
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the calamity of Thursday at the point of the death of Rasunla
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Muhammad Solo Laho Ali, while he was the world turned Gray.
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Because obviously Rahmutan and Al Amin has left this world.
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The soul of the most beloved creation, Habib Allah had left
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the world. It was the saddest moment up
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until that point in history, in human history, because.
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In many, in many ways you can say the one who I lost, Montala
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created the the Donia for had left this Donia.
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Do you know what I mean? At that point there were two
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camps. There was the camp who were
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bearing the full Mohammed and there was the camp who were
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preparing for what's to come after in terms of preparation of
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leadership. Can you kind of give us an
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insight what what happened and who was where So I can give a
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basic insight to. I'm not that knowledgeable when
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it comes to this. But if I remember and I've
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actually read this in the book so much kind of the title that
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before Rasul la Las La La while you want to send them you know
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left this world, the Angel of death came to visit him and he
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seeks permission from Rasul Allah to enter.
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I think we're staying at the houses from cinema if not
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mistaken to enter the house to take the soul of Rasul Allah.
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Ras Allah said no. And now they say this was the
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first time that the Angel of death asked for permission.
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And the last time he asked for permission for anyone to enter
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before to take your soul. And why?
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What did Rasola say? He said go back to the heavens
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and call Jubra Eel. Do not take my soul until I have
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seen Jubra eel for the last time and have been around my my
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family for the last time. So Jubri that come down they had
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this conversation. So I I don't know the detail in
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depth but it was it was at that time where far from the Sahara
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came in. So La mulay aleha and she was
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beside her father emerald woman in came in it was beside his
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father-in-law Rasola la Sala la ale while you sell them.
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And then Rasola will hear you know someone crying and he he
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would ask Emeril Nominian who's crying and he would say this is
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Hassan and this is Husan I. And if I remember clearly, yeah,
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he requested from his daughter or from your mom, I need to
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leave the room. And he said just bring them to
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me. And afterwards your mom, Ali
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would ask, you know what happened during those moments
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when you were with Rasul Allah to his sons.
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And they will say that you know, Rasul Allah bring us closer to
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him. He would hug us and he would
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embrace us and he will place us, you know, lay his chest and he
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will say, you know, to to his grandson Hassan.
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He will say the Omo will oppress you after I go and for saying
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the same thing will happen to you, the Omo will oppress you
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after I go. And they asked him how he said,
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Hassan, you by the poison and for saying you by the source of
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injustice. And I was at that moment he told
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the Angel of death. Now come and take my soul.
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And then Fatima thought, I came back in your mom and came back.
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All of this happened. But while this is happening,
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your mom and you had the instruction to take over the
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burial, to take over the also to take over the shroud and
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everything. But at the same time there was
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something happening in Islamic history.
21:04
And then I think, and I think this is where it gets very, very
21:07
interesting. Yeah, is that you had the family
21:09
of Roswell, Allah taking care of the burial of Rossola la Sala
21:14
Lalawalawala. And then you had another camp
21:17
who were incorporating a brand new company called Savifa and
21:21
Cole and the cofounders were plotting against Rosola la
21:24
lalawala. So I don't want to give too much
21:28
detail in this but this is reality of Islamic history. 100%
21:31
And you know what? In fact, I discussed this very
21:34
briefly in one of my episodes in German Nights.
21:37
Sorry to shout out this is. Where this is where we need to
21:41
refer to this. Episode Yeah, no.
21:42
So I spoke about the aims of Mahmud Hussein and going to
21:46
Karbala, and one of the biggest. Aims of the Mama Hussein was
21:49
exposing this plotting because there's a very famous narration
21:54
that I mentioned and read from in Alikafi where it mentions
21:57
that there were a group of companions of the Prophet who
22:01
gathered and they wrote and they planned to plot against
22:04
Rasulala. And this was this was even prior
22:09
to that. They had planned even prior to
22:11
that. And this was just even when we
22:13
spoke about Rasit Al Hamis. That is a.
22:17
Consequence of that, you know, the fact that, you know, Rasola
22:20
told them to leave and all of them have left happily.
22:23
Yeah. They've they've left knowing
22:26
that we've stopped Rasola from writing where he needed to
22:28
write. Yeah.
22:29
Because they've already planned for what they what they plotted.
22:33
And that's the that's the interesting part because you see
22:35
all of the events, they all point towards one reality,
22:39
right. And yeah, like when we look at
22:42
plotting, we were speaking about you spoke about Estishad of
22:44
Rasola. What?
22:47
What? What did you mean by that?
22:48
You said Wafato Rasola? Rather.
22:50
We speak about the estihad. See, when we use Wafat in
22:54
Arabic, it means like when someone dies.
22:56
But when we say estihad, it means they were martyred.
22:59
They were killed. You know, something led to that
23:01
death. It wasn't just a random, you
23:03
know, death that happened, but do you have like an insight of
23:07
exactly why we call it as the shot?
23:09
Yeah. So we have narrations in our
23:11
books. So I mentioned, you mentioned
23:13
Imamin Hassan for example, right.
23:14
And you mentioned that a sort of, I said to him that you will
23:17
be. The poison right, We have
23:19
narrations also from Imam Hassan himself.
23:23
If I remember correctly, there's a narration in the book Al Hara
23:26
age with July by put Buddhina Rawandi right?
23:30
And this is one of our classical books and Imam Hassan He
23:33
mentions I'm. Sorry, I don't know I I I I I
23:38
got it by the way that. You said it but Mama Hassan he
23:41
mentions in this hadith he says. That I will be killed by poison
23:45
the same way that my grandfather was killed by poison.
23:48
Yeah. Yeah, so this is.
23:50
This is interesting. Then you have narration from
23:53
mamasadat is mentioned in serial ayashi and interfsir comi.
23:57
These are most classical works of tafsir, right?
24:00
And it's the eye of the Quran where Allah says yeah, Wama
24:04
Muhammadun, illah rasul, but khalat munhabli her russul EFA
24:08
in Mata or hotel in. Collapmeta.
24:13
Mohammed is not but a messenger before him.
24:17
Many messages have passed. So if he was to die or be
24:22
killed, yeah. Now Imam Sadiq, what does he
24:25
say? What does Imam Sadiq say?
24:27
He says the old. That is confirmation from Allah.
24:30
He's not saying. Or he's not saying killed or
24:33
martyred. He's saying killed rather
24:36
martyred. Right.
24:38
So he's saying. So for example, in the ayat of
24:40
the Quran, you have the this idea in Arabic grammar.
24:43
A lot of the time you'll say, for example, there's an ayat in
24:46
in my head, I can't remember right now.
24:49
But he mentions that they stayed for this much time.
24:52
Oh, he says, oh this much more, right.
24:56
And he's confirming it means more as one of the.
25:00
Let alone. Kind of thing, Yeah, exactly.
25:02
It's like let. Alone, right.
25:03
He's saying rather like even even more than that, even more
25:06
from the emphasis, it's emphasis.
25:08
So that's the Quran and Imam Masada confirming that the Quran
25:11
is saying that Osullala was killed, right.
25:14
And then they asked Mamsada who killed him and he said the two
25:18
women killed them. The two women right now,
25:22
obviously we don't want to, you know.
25:25
Cause any kind of, you know, we're not here to do any
25:27
sectarian business anything like that, right.
25:30
We're we're speaking about in terms of the Shia I hadith our
25:34
corpus in what is in our books what our believe, what has been
25:38
written. Right.
25:40
And he mentions that the two women killed them upon the
25:44
plotting of their two fathers. Right.
25:47
So we have that idea that, you know, the Rossula was poison,
25:50
and they have it in Bihari as well, that Rossula was poisoned.
25:54
But they say that he was poisoned by a Jewish woman at
25:57
Kheiber, right? But which poison takes years to
26:02
secure you? So they do agree there was
26:04
poisoning? Exactly.
26:06
Yeah, exactly. They.
26:06
Agree that the poisoning there's poisoning, but it was from
26:10
Khyber, right? Years ago, yeah.
26:13
There is actually one more narration to this and I and I,
26:15
and I think it's sort of, you know, adds value.
26:17
The point you've mentioned Rosola La La himself.
26:20
So La La Money says when Marta Minna, Helen Bate, I'm Masmomano
26:24
Mactulla. Whoever dies from from us and
26:27
who's us? Rosulha.
26:30
Whoever dies from us is either killed or poisoned.
26:33
Straight up, straight up, yeah, bottom line all.
26:37
The way. From the beginning, including,
26:39
say, the Fatima, Yeah, Kunna. Mohammed, there's there's a some
26:45
logic behind that as intelligence when you hear that
26:47
hadith and probably means more than just in terms of in terms
26:50
of actions and smiles, probably more than that and I've never
26:53
thought of it like that as well. Yeah, and minimal.
26:58
The fact that a middle Motmanian was with the Holy Prophet at
27:00
that time and he was given that that Mccam of being the one
27:04
who's doing the Janaza and the burial of Mohammed in itself is
27:09
So on one side, of course you talk about the plotting and and
27:12
the like the the mischief you could argue, but the Mccam of a
27:17
middle Motmanian and being able to do the burial SO1A lost
27:20
Fontana is not going to allow someone who's not fit for that
27:25
role to conduct such a role. You know, and there's so many
27:28
incidents, for example, when you talk about key life events in
27:32
the life of the the Holy Prophet Muhammad and the life of the
27:35
Aymalem or Salaam, the the wedding of the Holy Prophet, Abu
27:41
Bali, Beleh, Salam. You know, you talk about the the
27:45
birth of a minimum of many and the Holy Prophet was there.
27:47
Like there's key turning points where or either people were born
27:50
or they were died or there's a birth or something, a funeral.
27:54
You always had to have the highest of the highest there to
27:59
conduct that ceremony or be present in that occasion.
28:01
Do you see what I mean? 100% actually that's.
28:05
Each of the imams. They're only buried, and they're
28:08
only by the previous exactly the one.
28:11
That comes after they're the only ones you're bearing the
28:15
previous 100 and by that by the if you are Shia you followed the
28:18
same logic you follow the succession of the public as a
28:20
middleman and it started from there and middleman was there
28:23
and and that's a huge point because we talked about Ghadir
28:27
and we talk about all these other thing mobile and all these
28:30
various had these and stuff but the status that.
28:34
Doing that in itself was symbolic, and we're talking
28:37
about symbolism a lot, but I think there's a huge thing to
28:41
roll that play these. Are the lives of Rossula, of
28:43
Amir Mouminin, of, say, the Fatima Every single moment in
28:46
their life is significant right? That they're they are literally
28:49
the enactors of our last plan on earth, right?
28:52
Every single moment in their lives is significant like.
28:55
And it it takes a logical, any logical, thinking Muslim to to
28:59
realize that right? If Rossula has just passed away.
29:03
Or he has been martyred rather, who is there to bury him?
29:06
That is a that is a solid question you should be asking,
29:09
right? Everybody should be thinking
29:11
that why were the top companions that we believe that are the top
29:15
companions of Rosso? Why were they not the immediate?
29:17
Priority if. If, if, God forbid, the head of
29:21
a tribe or the head of a family, a grandfather passes away,
29:25
you're not immediately thinking about the inheritance of this
29:27
land exactly in Iraq and Pakistan.
29:29
No, let that wait for a couple of days.
29:32
Just. Anyone who's had a death in the
29:34
family will know this everything.
29:36
Time stops for a minute and you just focus on what you can do
29:40
for for the for the, in fact, if anyone.
29:43
Mentions inheritance at that moment you fake.
29:46
Beef. Yeah, yeah, you hug beef from
29:48
the sun. From the whole family, they
29:50
won't be on you. And this is the normal family.
29:52
Yeah, you do the. Normal family.
29:54
The family is what? A soul on law?
29:56
Some pan on law. They want for so much
29:57
oppression, but there must have been a.
29:59
Reason as well, like a lot of people would have said, no,
30:01
there was important matters to be.
30:03
To be had, look you're talking about the largest religion, one
30:05
of the fastest growing empires in the world and things have to
30:10
be decided. People would argue no, there
30:14
would have been anarchy and chaos had the leadership not
30:17
been decided at that moment. So what can we say as a response
30:22
to that? Because someone might say like I
30:23
said, if you waited a three day period and you said no, the Holy
30:26
Prophet, let's focus on his Jenaza for three days and you
30:30
know. You know, like we'll deal with
30:33
it after people would say no, there'll be, there'll be chaos
30:36
or or. They could just follow what the
30:38
sort of LA said that Kadir and there wouldn't be any chaos
30:41
about that. You know like you know obviously
30:44
as she at that point that's where we're going to take the
30:46
discussion. Obviously we're going to say
30:48
okay, you're saying that Alsoula, you left the world
30:50
without choosing a leader, and Alsoula let Islam would let
30:54
Islam be in chaos for three days or four days after while after
30:58
he's been buried like. It doesn't make sense on a sort
31:00
of lies and you go slum without anything when you go on work.
31:03
On annual leave you put out of office and you'll, yeah, you
31:06
contact my colleagues because we're normal human beings on low
31:09
level responsibilities. And they say, you know, even way
31:13
before Raso La La left this world, all the while he was
31:16
telling me even like when he's on the farewell hudge known as
31:20
the farewell hudge, his first and only hudge.
31:22
I'm not mistaken here. Yes, yes, he would come back and
31:25
he would actually deliver sermons telling them, you know,
31:27
I'm leaving this world soon. So his whenever he spoke or gave
31:30
sermons was all like advisory to the ombre of what should happen.
31:35
And I read something earlier on and I do want to share it, which
31:38
I found interesting. You know, you mentioned being
31:40
Shia. This is where the conversation
31:41
is going to go. Let's take it.
31:42
Let's take it this way in it. So it comes from The Book of
31:46
Hyatt Al Khaloo by. Yes and where he narrates A
31:51
Sheikh al Tabrasi. He says when the holy professor
31:54
La La ho alia while he was telling return from the Falwell
31:57
hutch, he was informed that his end was near.
32:00
So he used to regularly hold sermons with people and warn
32:03
them of the mischiefs that's were to follow after his death.
32:08
He used to command them, not to disobey his instructions.
32:13
He would emphasize that they don't abandon his Sonna and that
32:16
they don't create innovations in his religion from a loss of Hana
32:20
Watana. They should remain attached to
32:22
his progeny, their little Bates. And to be in their obedience and
32:26
their help and their protection and their following and their
32:29
following is an obligation. He used to say, Oh people, I am
32:33
going before you and you will meet me at the pool of Kofar.
32:36
Then I will ask you how you who dealt with those two important
32:40
things that I left amongst you, which is the book of a Las Opano
32:43
Matala, the Quran, and my progeny, the Helalbeit Ali
32:46
Musalam. Therefore you should mind how
32:49
you behave with them. A Las Opano Matala has informed
32:53
me that these two will not separate until they reach me at
32:56
the pool of Kofar a love. I am leaving these two among
33:00
you, therefore you must not perceive.
33:02
You should not perceive my Hel Bates in any matter, and do not
33:06
separate from them. Do not fall short in fulfillment
33:09
of their rights or you would be destroyed.
33:11
Destroyed. You know what's crazy?
33:15
Yeah, You know when you were just reading that and you
33:17
mentioned the point of Kofa. Yeah, two or three times.
33:20
It's just coming to my mind. There's a narration in in in
33:23
Albuhari where it mentions that Rasulullah, he's standing at the
33:26
house, he's standing at the kofa, right?
33:29
And there are people with him that he knows and he's the he
33:33
considers to be his companions in this narration in Bihari.
33:36
And the angels take them and they start taking them to the
33:38
Hellfire. And Rasulullah says Yahwah,
33:42
what's going on? That will last.
33:44
Harvey. These are my these are my
33:46
companions. And then what does the what the?
33:49
The Malaika. They say you don't know what
33:52
they did after you. This is.
33:53
In Bahari. What happened to all?
33:55
Companions are. Imagine you see this explains
34:00
this narration, you see this narration, you said here that
34:04
the Quran and I'll debate they remain together till the pond of
34:07
Kolfa, right? So.
34:09
He explains what did they do after you and Yara Solova.
34:11
It was that that they left. They left albeit and the Quran
34:15
together because the Quran was sufficient enough exactly
34:18
because. The Quran was.
34:19
It makes, it makes. It makes logical sense because
34:21
if you if you're trying trying to decipher and and and kind of
34:25
understand the knowledge of solo Mohammed, that will come from
34:28
either what he said or from the book of Allah and the way he's
34:31
interpreted that and naturally speaking the two pieces of of of
34:35
knowledge and guidance you'll find which can encapsulate the
34:38
the same. Police that the holy prophad is
34:40
in the qaland 100 days a Muslim. There's nothing new, there's
34:42
nothing added or removed by following that.
34:45
And you know what? I spoke about this in German
34:47
Nights again, Sorry, Kadir. When we had the episode, I spoke
34:51
about the idea that Kadir the whole.
34:54
One of the major points in it was that after me.
34:58
You want to have seen of the Quran?
34:59
Yes, yes, yes. You're going to you're.
35:01
Not going to anyone else. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:03
And that. Episode for those who haven't
35:04
heard it is so important and not just the Ghadiri vibe.
35:08
It was just very important to understand that because it's
35:11
such a fundamental incident in our history and even on days
35:14
like on like this we're talking about the shadow of Rasul, some
35:17
of the hawaliwalu, Saddam, we we referenced Ghadir like you
35:21
referenced earlier and it's important because that's people
35:24
say like oh. You're using this as an example
35:29
to say that this was the time of me and what many should have had
35:31
the kilafer when it wasn't ordained earlier by the Holy
35:34
Prophet, but Khadir. Understanding Khadir is so
35:36
fundamental for this so and also the episode you mentioned
35:39
earlier about the. Reason for Imam with Hussein's
35:44
pilgrimage. I think it was episodes 4-5 or
35:46
six from The Mistake of Drama Nights.
35:48
Yeah, but there's these are episodes which we've got here.
35:51
I'm just shouting out because I was a production.
35:53
We work hard on this. Yeah, for real for.
35:56
For real. So yeah.
35:57
We also had that leader episode as well.
35:59
Let's push out. Yeah, bro.
36:01
Hey, come on, bro. I'm.
36:05
So can I? All of us are are working.
36:08
Alright, fine. Let's let's kind of progress a
36:10
lot a bit more in the last. Few minutes of the discussion
36:13
okay the death of Rasul Alam Hamad and the Beryl of Rasulam
36:18
Hamad was that the beginning of modern day Sunni and Shia Islam?
36:24
Said, I would say, yeah, I would say because if we use that time,
36:30
as sensitive as some people may, you know, take it when they
36:33
listen to it, that's the time for me as a Muslim again, I'm,
36:36
I'm, I'll follow the Helen Bates as a Muslim.
36:39
That's a turning point between Hakkambata because anyone can be
36:44
Muslim. Look if we look at history bro,
36:46
we had Yazida Malia believing and claiming to you know rule in
36:49
the name of Allah Rasola Las Allah while you send him.
36:51
So it's easy to say I should do in LA in the law, where should
36:55
do in the Mohammed Rasola. But I think it comes becomes
36:59
difficult to say I should do na Ali in Wali Allah because the
37:02
truth is with Ali of Rasola lost on.
37:12
If you take Rasul Allah's words as gospel and we say Rasul Allah
37:15
wherever he utters is is come directly from a loss upon a
37:18
hotel and he says Ali uma al Haq what Haq oma Ali.
37:22
And wherever you find the truth you find the Ali.
37:24
Why would you go anywhere else? Yeah, anyone can be Muslim.
37:29
You like someone convert, get married to them say la Ala
37:33
Mohammed Rasul Allah. But you're not saying a shit on
37:35
the Ali. And the moment you understand
37:37
Hack, you understand the meaning of actually don't.
37:40
And look at what the. Quran says about the Willow of a
37:43
memo meaning right. The Quran is saying, yeah, you
37:46
have Rasul Bellere, Ma Unzila Lake Merabic.
37:49
We're in lemta file for Ma Bella.
37:53
Saying all my Messenger, convey that which has been removed to
37:56
you from your Lord. And if you do not is as if you
37:58
haven't conveyed the religion altogether.
38:01
It's as if you're you're on zero.
38:03
You're on zero at the moment. Yeah, you haven't, you haven't
38:05
even come into the room last time.
38:08
Yeah. And then Allah, what do you say?
38:10
Allah's going to protect you from the people in the La Halaia
38:13
telcoma, caffeine. Allah doesn't guide the
38:16
disbelievers in this message. Oh well, I think this is where
38:19
we I can. No offense to whoever listens,
38:23
bro. It's not your eyes that are
38:24
blind, it's the hearts, honestly, because you can read
38:27
it and you can hear it. And it's coming from Rosso La La
38:30
La La Wali was saying. But it's the heart that's blind.
38:33
And you're telling me that this coronic ice is a lot?
38:35
Technically him. He decides who he guides.
38:38
Yeah. Colors this.
38:40
I like the like. I think that that was a turning
38:42
point, of course. Short term and long term.
38:45
But till today you still see the the, the effects of it.
38:49
Because as much as we deny, people deny it.
38:53
People say she isn't started many years later started by the
38:57
June about what's his name, What's the guy's name?
39:01
Abdullah bin. Yeah, Bin Saba.
39:03
Yeah, I mean, there, you hear all of these things.
39:05
It's just brilliant. We've got we've got an episode.
39:06
About him coming into about yeah.
39:09
It's it's really annoying. It's really, really annoying.
39:11
But nonetheless, look at the end of the day.
39:13
Everyone at the time the death of your prophet believed in the
39:16
same religion. The initial differences were
39:19
political. You could argue, yeah, it wasn't
39:21
theological. It wasn't ficky, it wasn't
39:23
nothing like that. It is now right.
39:26
So now modern day Shias and and feminism has changed because of
39:29
these differences. And of course you had al filk.
39:32
Comes from the aim Mahli and Masalam and it starts from the
39:35
Holy Prophet to a middleman and it goes down this Sierra as we
39:38
say and of course the Jaffery school is what we are known as
39:42
obviously have different scholars and in the you know
39:45
Hadifi and Maliki and Hamli and Shafi and all of that kind of
39:48
the different interpretations of an Akkam.
39:51
But generally speaking when we talk about Sunni issues and
39:56
today the question which is? The reason why I'm mentioning
40:03
this is because there are people who will turn around and they
40:05
will say you guys don't honor the prophet like we do.
40:10
You'll honor that you're imams. You'll honor the other bait.
40:13
You'll honor Imam Hussein. And of course, look, it's a
40:16
valid argument. Of course we honor the other
40:17
bait. And we've just done 810 episodes
40:20
of Muharram and Arbain, right? But to say that we don't honor
40:24
Rasul is an insult. And to, in my opinion, to honor
40:28
one is to honor the other. So what do we, what do we do,
40:32
and how do we respond to that well?
40:35
You know what? Yeah.
40:36
First of all I this is just coming to my mind but this is
40:39
like you know experience talking.
40:41
Yeah. Anybody that thinks that she
40:44
don't honor Rasul Allah come to MCE on the molit of Rasul Allah.
40:50
Come to Muslim? Community of Essex.
40:52
See how Sheikh Ayo is popping is popping it off.
40:55
Yeah, yeah, yeah. On a rule.
40:59
Like that is a that is a top event of the year.
41:01
But with regards to the honoring of Rasul Allah, how can we as
41:05
Muslims honor Rasul Allah is by honoring his what he's left for
41:09
us, right? That is the biggest honoring of
41:12
Rasul Allah. When we look at, we look at the
41:16
religion. We have Allah, we have the
41:18
Rasul, and then we have the. Welly right.
41:21
We have a minimal meaning, right?
41:22
When people say, you know, we don't honor a sort of law you
41:25
can say, you know, we don't honor for example, we could say
41:28
we don't honor Allah, right? We don't.
41:30
We don't say for example we don't praise Allah enough or
41:33
whatever, right? But the the reason that that is
41:37
or Allah is not spoken about so much or it's not a deferring
41:41
factor, right? Sunnis and Shia, they don't
41:44
disagree about Allah. They don't disagree about the
41:46
Prophet. Yeah.
41:47
But when we speak about Amir, minimal meaning.
41:49
It is the teachings of Rasulullah that we're trying to
41:52
protect, right? It's a minimum meaning that
41:54
protected the teachings of Rasulullah.
41:57
So it is. Important that we we focus on
42:02
the albeit Ali Musharrat was Salaam and their safeguarding of
42:05
the religion of Rasulullah who is their master and their say
42:08
it, and it's greater than all of them.
42:11
Right. I mean, it's common sense.
42:13
Like if you have a teacher and the the best way you can if you
42:17
really respect your teacher, you can praise the.
42:20
I mean the the best thing you do is you use what he's taught you
42:22
and implemented in your life on a grander scale.
42:25
But yeah, of course, honoring your soul is to follow word for
42:29
word where he's told us to do and follow in our in our, and
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who else can you get that? From other than that right and
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the interpretation of it exactly and that word for word.
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Is. Forget this whole Sunday, she I
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think if you're Muslim, yeah, you would hold on to the fucking
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link I have sent. Kitab Allah Who?
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Acted and that is also in. All of the book and he didn't.
42:49
Even before we wrap up. Interesting thing, well I think
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important thing to say because obviously we've been talking now
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for about 40 odd minutes. If my timing is correct, a lot
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of what we've said can a be seen as controversial, be be seen as
43:03
people who are not scholars and qualified.
43:06
The 2nd is definitely correct. So I speak for myself, I'm
43:09
definitely not educated or qualified in this.
43:11
I am just a student and I'm interested in this and to be
43:13
honest I think like a majority of us as we are and should be on
43:17
a path of knowledge and suit of knowledge.
43:20
So just an encourage, encouraging word for everyone at
43:24
home who's listening or watching.
43:26
Go out, do your own research, speaks to scholars, ask the
43:30
questions. This is a school of thought
43:33
which encourages critical thinking.
43:35
Like we said a few weeks ago with brother Muhammad Ali Muraj.
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Go out, ask your questions, you'll find your answers because
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it's there in our books and in other books as well.
43:44
And there's nothing for us to be shy away from, to be really
43:46
honest. In terms of the controversy
43:48
side, as I mentioned earlier, from at least from from my
43:51
partner and I'm speaking behalf of you guys as well.
43:53
No, no harm intended no bad feelings attended 100% all love.
43:58
We have listeners martial law from various backgrounds.
44:00
In fact yesterday I was at Imaginous and I met an uncle
44:06
actually an elderly uncle from like who's not.
44:09
It's nationally basically. And he said to me, I I watch the
44:12
podcast and I enjoy it. So I just want to thank everyone
44:15
who takes the time out to engage and to learn whether or whether
44:19
or not you are a 12A Shia. This isn't Yes, we are a Shia
44:22
podcast and we're proud of it, but we're a podcast which
44:25
encourages dialogue and and that discussion with anyone we're.
44:29
Not going to exclude or make anyone feel kind of out of
44:31
place, so no I I. I echoed that Ahmed, and I think
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it's important that, you know, we also mentioned, you know, a
44:41
little about a soul, a la Salah wani wani was telling them, is
44:43
that a soul a la bro? He's a prophet for mankind.
44:47
Yes. Yeah.
44:47
And as much as you know, we say we are on Sorata Mustafa
44:50
Michalla, we are, and I know we are best.
44:53
A lot of you claim that as well, from all sorts of thought.
44:56
And if we really believe we are on Sorat and mustering we have
44:59
to understand who the solo law is and we we know Rasola Law
45:02
he's the best of creation. You know Rasola Law you know had
45:05
the Makara Mala Clark, you know he he had the best of you know
45:10
character and everything and he was sent as a mercy to mankind.
45:13
So sometimes if we, I think if we say away from polemics.
45:18
If we try to, as you said, you know, we encourage dialogue and
45:20
things, bro. If there's one thing that can
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unite us, we understand them and understand his infallibility,
45:27
his asthma, his wisdom, his teachings and his son and
45:30
everything correctly. I lost my Italian shallow.
45:32
Be pleased with us. Yeah, yeah.
45:34
That's how we aim. At the end of the day, this
45:36
dunya is a bridge for us to reach the next World.
45:39
And who do we hold on to? And his teachings, His pure
45:43
teachings, His pristine teachings?
45:45
The Charlottes with the school up there in Charlotte, 100%.
45:48
Yeah guys, drop comments below, hit that subscribe button so we
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bell and then you'll hear tomorrow in Charlotte when the
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next episode is out. Mo thank you so much bro.
46:13
Thank you for. Having me man.
46:14
I'm glad to be back. This is your Yeah.
46:17
It's true. It's.
46:17
Junior, by the way, Yeah, we have to.
46:20
Both of you are named. After a solo law and that.
46:26
Group can never be complete without Ali.
46:30
Ali Well, the names are so important.
46:32
Yeah, it is so so. Never ever we should ever let
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these names go. And speaking about names.
46:37
And speaking about us all a lot till now.
46:39
I know in the UK. I don't know about globally, in
46:41
Europe and stuff on the UK, every year, every single year,
46:44
go look up man Muhammad. The name Mohammed is the most
46:47
popular male name in the UK, but you've got these like new era
46:52
spaceship name you. Know what I'm saying?
46:55
Exclamation Marks and but on the level, like, OK, it's, I get it.
47:00
Like there's some nice names, funky names, creative names like
47:04
some people don't are getting. I get it.
47:06
Like as someone said to me, it's like, bro, I know too many
47:09
Abbasilis. I know too many Mohammed Abbas
47:11
is and I know too many people get.
47:13
I get that it's getting trendy. That with new names.
47:16
And stuff. Yeah, people moving away.
47:17
Some names can't, but some names can net the whole point can't.
47:21
Bro, there's a reason why they're overused this because
47:23
they're meant to be. Oh, look at Mama.
47:24
Hussein, bro. Oh, my sons.
47:26
Ali. No.
47:27
Next one. Ali reminds me of a.
47:30
Scenario I was in one I'll say just before we end we we were
47:33
gathering and and the person we were with you know he doesn't
47:38
he's not Muslim. Yeah.
47:39
But everyone else I was there was Muslim the end.
47:42
So just imagine there's like 30 people.
47:44
OK, I'm going to call this guy. I don't mention his name.
47:49
I'm going to call him Mike for, you know, for purposes.
47:53
OK. So Mike comes to this gathering
47:55
and he's with me and we're sitting down and I'm sitting
47:57
with everyone that I know. He doesn't know anyone.
48:00
So now he's looking for me. He's like Ali.
48:03
Everyone's Andra. He.
48:06
Was so confused. Oh my God, how are you?
48:12
Yeah, that was because he gave me some flashbacks of this.
48:15
That's a lot. That's cool.
48:16
It's nice, it's nice. And obviously the best football
48:20
player in the world is also called Mohammed, so it's a nice
48:22
way to. Shower brother sisters, again,
48:26
thank you so much for for for tuning in as always.
48:29
And listen, Remember seeing your daughters in these last few
48:32
nights? Of course these are wholly
48:33
nights and especially in the last few nights of stuff out.
48:36
Before we kind of enter season three as well, which is a couple
48:40
of weeks away, we're going to have a few more discussions,
48:42
really exciting discussions with some very, very exciting
48:46
speakers, scholars, guests from locally and afar.
48:51
So stay tuned on both the podcasts and on Gym I nights,
48:55
and we will be back next week with our usual episode.
48:59
We'll see you then we'll slam alay Kumba to like workout.