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Restoring Streams and Protecting Water Quality with Kelly Gutshall · Clean Water Conversations

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SPEAKER_00: No, w the kids are too young.
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SPEAKER_00: We don't want to be traveling somewhere else.
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SPEAKER_00: I'd rather just come here 'cause yeah, it's comfortable for 'em.
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SPEAKER_00: So anyway.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_00: And how old are they?
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SPEAKER_00: So I have a two-year-old next week, a five-month old, and a two-week old.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, my goodness, how exciting.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, Christmas is.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's really, it's been really joyful.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll just go ahead and ask us now.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll come back to the icebreaker because I'm actually kind of curious.
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SPEAKER_01: So you did not grow up in Lancaster, am I correct?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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SPEAKER_01: Where did you grow up?
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SPEAKER_01: I grew up in Millersville.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's Lancaster County.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Penn Manor.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So grew up here, went kind of full circle, Penn State, New York.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, then I was in Wilmington.
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SPEAKER_00: We started the business in southern Chester County.
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SPEAKER_00: And then because of the Lidditzern watershed, we moved up to Lidditz.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what brought you to Lidditz?
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, I didn't know that.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh my goodness.
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SPEAKER_04: No way.
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SPEAKER_04: Tell us more.
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SPEAKER_04: How did you Oh, it's a really cool story.
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SPEAKER_00: So we all know Greg Wilson.
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SPEAKER_00: And Mark and I were sitting in our basement reading the Sunday paper on a Sunday afternoon and saw an article about Greg and Donegal Trout Unlimited and the work that they were doing on Liddest Run Watershed.
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SPEAKER_00: And at the time we were thinking about, you know, we had kind of changed the direction of the company a little bit, and we'll we'll talk about that later.
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SPEAKER_00: And we're really looking for a community that would support looking at a watershed-based approach to planning and restoration as opposed to just picking and choosing and just doing projects all the time.
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SPEAKER_00: So Mark saw the article, and next thing I know, he's on the phone.
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SPEAKER_00: He looked him up and called Greg Sunday afternoon and said, Yeah, come on up.
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SPEAKER_00: I'll show you all around.
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SPEAKER_00: So showed him all the different work and projects that Donegal Tron Unlimited had been doing on the stream.
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SPEAKER_00: And Greg, of course, introduced Mark to Logan and Myers and Dan Zimmerman and the township.
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SPEAKER_00: And they were all I'm very supportive.
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SPEAKER_00: And from that day forward, I'm really That's amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: These crazy kids of their 50 years.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I can't believe it.
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SPEAKER_04: Greg made a phone call and now you have a realtor about it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's the story.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what brought us up to live.
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SPEAKER_00: That's great.
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SPEAKER_01: That's neat.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, let's let's take a step back.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, what what was your childhood like?
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SPEAKER_01: Did you grow up on a farm?
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SPEAKER_00: Did you go up to the suburbs?
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SPEAKER_00: No, suburbs of Millersville.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Went to Eshelman Elementary School, walked to Penn Manor to the high school.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, so grew up in the in that I started asking this question last season, and I love this question.
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SPEAKER_01: What did you want to be when you grew up?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So I was always interested in kind of earth science.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, of course, being outside and outdoors and camped a lot as you know, as a family when I was a kid, and and I always enjoyed that a lot.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I saw at the time my brother had a friend who was a landscape architect, and I thought, hmm, that's interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: So got a chance to talk to him and thought, hmm, I'll give that a shot.
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SPEAKER_00: So, really, from the time I was maybe a junior in high school, the guidance counselor looked in a phone book, tried to find a landscape architect that I could talk to because they had no idea uh what it was.
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SPEAKER_00: But Penn State had a great program.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh so that's that's kind of that.
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SPEAKER_01: And normally we ask the the question, so how did you get from there to here?
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SPEAKER_01: But that's really obvious.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a straight path.
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SPEAKER_00: Stay true to it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I always knew from the time I learned more about the the profession that was what I wanted to do.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: Passion has kept you connected.
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unknown: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, let's ask your icebreaker.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And your icebreaker question is what is something you think about very differently today than you did 10 years ago?
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
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SPEAKER_00: Land studies started in regulatory compliance.
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SPEAKER_00: So back when we started the career, we were pretty much just responding to developers' needs, delineating wetlands and permitting and things like that.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, our whole approach was responding to that.
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SPEAKER_00: We changed direction, obviously, landscape architect and planner, my husband Mark, more science side.
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SPEAKER_00: He was a forestry major.
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SPEAKER_00: And we saw the potential, like, why do there have to be two separate camps?
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SPEAKER_00: Why can't this come together?
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So why can't we integrate natural resource management with planning?
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SPEAKER_00: So we changed pretty much the whole direction of the company.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh at the time, Mark had two, three employees.
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SPEAKER_00: We were in southern Chester County and Oxford, and really wanted to go in a more proactive approach, which was the watershed planning in relationship to what we talked about with Lidditz Run.
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SPEAKER_00: So Growing Greener had just come out, and I think there was a 319 grant that was available for watershed planning.
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SPEAKER_00: So we, after meeting Greg and learning more about Lidditz Run, we applied for that and ended up getting that grant.
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SPEAKER_00: The approach was more proactive as opposed to reactive.
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SPEAKER_00: That was that was really the approach that we wanted to take.
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SPEAKER_00: And then over the years, taking and implementing.
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SPEAKER_00: So learning from doing.
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SPEAKER_00: So one thing is planning and identifying what can be done, talking about it.
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SPEAKER_00: But it was really, really important to us that we got it in the ground so that people could see it, touch it, and feel it.
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SPEAKER_00: And back then, we were kind of the crazy kids on the block.
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SPEAKER_00: And they're they're, you know, just even talking about a watershed was very new and different.
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SPEAKER_00: Allison's probably seen the watershed boards that we did back then.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It was kind of before geographic information systems for GIS and all the great resources we have available now.
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SPEAKER_00: Back then, it was just taking maps, laying them on top.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, we were the scale of it was contingent upon what was available at the time.
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SPEAKER_00: So the funding that was available.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, the scale of the map.
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SPEAKER_00: Of the map.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So we ended up with these huge boards, four foot by ten foot, three boards.
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SPEAKER_00: And we hauled those boards around everywhere.
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SPEAKER_00: We still have them.
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SPEAKER_00: But that was really how we introduced the community to what a watershed is, what watershed planning is.
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SPEAKER_00: We wanted to show and celebrate the work that Donegal Troll Unlimited had already been doing, um, as well as the work in the future, what we saw being able to be done in the future and identify all of that.
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SPEAKER_00: So that was where the biggest change was going from being reactive to being proactive.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Getting it in the ground.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a good explanation of something you thought about differently when you started and by doing, I believe, is how is how you phrased it.
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SPEAKER_04: And that's yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: It's a cool example of experiential learning, but in a professional setting.
7:30
SPEAKER_04: I mean, we all have professional development things we go to, but you're doing it with your business as the anchor.
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SPEAKER_04: So I'm curious if there was something specific.
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SPEAKER_04: Like you described the regulatory piece that was a driver in the uh one part of the work.
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SPEAKER_04: Right.
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SPEAKER_04: Was there something specific that you had to advocate for along the way?
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SPEAKER_04: Like did people, you showed up and people were like, oh, sure, I get it.
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SPEAKER_04: What let's go?
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SPEAKER_04: Or what what did you have to advocate to change?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there was there was a lot of pushback.
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SPEAKER_00: I think back then it was a matter of having the champions who were very passionate about it and felt very strongly about it.
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SPEAKER_00: There was also something I think that was super important was the fact that they were very, very focused on water quality.
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SPEAKER_00: So the goal was a community improving its water quality.
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SPEAKER_00: And that was stated in the very beginning, and that was throughout the entire planning process.
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SPEAKER_00: And we still use that.
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SPEAKER_00: We still go back to it.
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SPEAKER_04: So do we.
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SPEAKER_04: That's like on many of our slides.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_04: So thank you.
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SPEAKER_04: Thank you for making that.
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SPEAKER_00: Staying focused is really a key because you tend to go in a lot of different directions.
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SPEAKER_00: Lots of people jump on board, lots of you want to engage a lot, but staying focused is really important.
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SPEAKER_04: Aaron Powell My husband makes fun of me and calls me a squirrel.
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SPEAKER_04: Shiny thing.
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SPEAKER_04: You're right.
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SPEAKER_04: Stay focused.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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SPEAKER_04: It's hard.
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SPEAKER_00: It's even harder now than it was back then for sure.
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SPEAKER_01: So I'm curious, those champions that you talked about, were they municipal leaders?
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SPEAKER_01: Were they just landowners?
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SPEAKER_01: Who who would that be comprised of?
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SPEAKER_00: I would say it was um all the above.
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SPEAKER_00: We just had a really great community that was already had seen the work that Donegal Trond Unlimited had done.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And we were able to build upon that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Municipal leaders definitely were actively involved and supported it.
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SPEAKER_04: Your work brought a lot of those different champions together.
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SPEAKER_04: You brought expertise to join in with volunteers and watershed associations.
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SPEAKER_04: Why did that work for your business?
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SPEAKER_04: Like, did it help your bottom line?
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SPEAKER_04: Did it seem like there were passions between you and Mark and you found your people?
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SPEAKER_04: Lidditz had that and you found them to bring a business there.
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SPEAKER_04: How did that continue over time, I guess?
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SPEAKER_04: That collaborative approach, was there a value to your bottom line?
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SPEAKER_04: I would say that yes, over time.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
10:05
SPEAKER_00: But then it was more this is the vision that we have.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:11
SPEAKER_00: And it was super challenging.
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SPEAKER_00: I would say the bottom line was not good for a long time because we spent so much time in research and development.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: Improvement.
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SPEAKER_00: Because you didn't have that in the beginning.
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SPEAKER_00: When we first started, I mean, that was a focus.
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SPEAKER_00: That was an area that we we needed to get into to be able to be able to show that there was quantifiable water quality improvement.
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SPEAKER_00: Got it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: For sure.
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SPEAKER_00: But you have to get it in the ground.
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SPEAKER_00: To do it first, you have to measure it for a period of time in order to understand the Trevor Burrus.
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SPEAKER_04: The Bay report card came out this week.
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SPEAKER_04: And so there's headlines about best grade ever, or this trend has changed over time.
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SPEAKER_04: And I always think back to what you're describing of water quality monitoring has such value, but it's a snapshot in time.
11:05
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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SPEAKER_04: And like that's one of the things that brought me to this work was I get did it as a student, but then it's not a standalone piece of data.
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SPEAKER_04: It has to be part of that trend.
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SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
11:14
SPEAKER_04: So I see I see your point of you guys had to do that research and development to get some of that data to start from.
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SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
11:23
SPEAKER_04: So how did you see that ramp up?
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SPEAKER_04: Uh over time, Land Studies has become one of these leaders as a business.
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SPEAKER_04: You're still doing some of those core elements of where you started.
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SPEAKER_04: Oh, for sure.
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SPEAKER_04: But how, yeah, how does that change over time?
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SPEAKER_00: Over time, I think a lot of that was it's been 37 years.
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SPEAKER_00: And so we have so much more information.
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SPEAKER_00: The science behind it, the research.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, the work that Bob Walters and Darthie Meritz have been doing at FNM really was eye-opening for us.
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SPEAKER_00: It was what they were seeing at the time they first started recognizing the impact of legacy settlement, we were seeing from a stream restoration side.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: We were seeing that natural channel design.
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SPEAKER_00: We're having some issues applying it in our region because of these steep, um, steep stream banks and the the impact of the legacy sediment.
12:21
SPEAKER_00: So what's going on here?
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SPEAKER_00: When we collaborated with them and heard them speak about it was really when it all started.
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SPEAKER_00: And we saw, wow, this is this makes perfect sense.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: So having the science, the research behind and being able to apply that, it's probably the main focus of what we're doing now is taking and applying that research in the field and making it a reality.
12:51
SPEAKER_01: What do you think are the biggest challenges in getting people and organizations to work collectively on watershed issues?
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you said people didn't always think at a watershed perspective.
13:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a couple points on this.
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SPEAKER_00: I think first is listening, uh listening to the communities, uh, what their needs are, and then responding to their needs.
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SPEAKER_00: So an example is you don't want to go into a community that is reacting to some major flood events and just be talking about what you want to see happen with water quality.
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SPEAKER_03: Sure, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So really understanding what the needs of the community are and then responding to that, I think is really important in making sure that you listen.
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SPEAKER_00: Action again, getting it in the ground.
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SPEAKER_00: The first thing anyone asks when you approach them, say, for some type of restoration, who else is doing this?
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SPEAKER_00: Where else is this being done?
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SPEAKER_00: You know, they no one wants to be the first out of the gate.
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SPEAKER_00: The first is hard.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And that's why it was so important in the very beginning to get work in the ground was so that you'd have something to be able to show and be able to provide the findings and the research and the results of that work over time.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's that's a huge part of it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think the the third approach is transferring the ownership.
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SPEAKER_00: So I find our most successful projects are the ones where we step back and the client is the one that's talking about it, or the community, or the group.
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SPEAKER_00: I often talk to our, you know, other landscape architects, and it's so often you'll go through a process and you'll come up with an answer or a design or something.
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SPEAKER_00: And you feel this is the approach.
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SPEAKER_00: You can't just go in with that.
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SPEAKER_00: You need to get the group to go through that process that you went through so that by the time you get to that, they're all sitting there going, Oh yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: We're there saying it instead.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's it can be challenging, but I think if you can get there that you have your group or your client or whoever it is taking complete ownership and really understanding it, it's a big dance.
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SPEAKER_04: I remember you describing that about the HOA project that you did.
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SPEAKER_04: I think it was Penn State.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: But maybe that hasn't happened in a while.
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SPEAKER_04: Homeowners Association.
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SPEAKER_04: There you go.
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SPEAKER_04: I didn't say PSU, Penn State University.
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SPEAKER_04: Um, I remember that project where you I think the project was to get a stormwater design for that area, right?
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SPEAKER_04: And the process you described to get those landowners or some kind of community engagement, that was the biggest lift.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:51
SPEAKER_04: I mean, getting things in the ground was like, oh, I hope we can get to that.
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SPEAKER_04: But it was the people, the engagement, the conversation, like you said, the start.
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SPEAKER_04: You have to start with that.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: And listening.
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SPEAKER_04: Yes.
16:03
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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SPEAKER_04: Listen to me.
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SPEAKER_04: But it I mean, it had a successful outcome.
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SPEAKER_00: So very much so.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that, you know, if you can have your community and more in the community, the better.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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SPEAKER_00: That support or champion or are very passionate about the project.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, I think in that HOA um I saw You can do it now.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's okay.
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SPEAKER_00: It's already been explained.
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SPEAKER_00: Example, um, it's super challenging when you have one champion in a community, one or two.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: And they're trying to, you know, educate and they're the only ones, gosh, they they have thick skin.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:47
SPEAKER_00: We have some really, really tough champions out there that are doing an amazing job because it's it's hard when they're constantly coming up against other groups, their boards or whatever that are pushback.
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SPEAKER_01: Now that kind of reminds me, because when I think of that, the my answer to that question is how often do you have landowners, people in the public that just have no idea that there is an issue with their waterways?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, I would say 99% of the time.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It's only those that are educated that really, you know, understand or they're directly impacted by it.
17:29
SPEAKER_00: But the general public really, and that's one of the challenges with water quality, is they it's it's hard to see it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Allison, did you have a different thought on that question?
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SPEAKER_04: No.
17:46
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
17:46
SPEAKER_04: I think what you guys have stated, I would totally agree.
17:49
SPEAKER_04: And that is why this collaborative approach has been so successful.
17:54
SPEAKER_04: And so I will just give a shout out to what you've described, Kelly, because that's kind of the anchor for things like the stream delisting strategy and why working at the community level, small neighborhoods, small watersheds is where you get that buy-in.
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SPEAKER_04: There might only be one or two champions or somebody who tried it, put that thing on their farm, put that new best management practice in, but that gave people permission to consider it then.
18:19
SPEAKER_04: Permission is a strong word, but giving people um the doors open to think about it.
18:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, sort of.
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SPEAKER_04: Sometimes when we can add incentive dollars or something, but that helps.
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SPEAKER_04: Just exposure.
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SPEAKER_04: Like you said, they have to be educated of what it could actually look like.
18:34
SPEAKER_04: But we know that that can go both directions.
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SPEAKER_04: I mean, I've heard you also talk about how important the stewardship and the establishment of those practices is, because if it that doesn't go well, word spreads real quick too in a small community of why you need to do those maintenance steps, why you need to make sure that you're keeping out invasives and yeah, the health of that community comes in lots of forms.
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SPEAKER_04: So I I thank you for educating many of us on the importance of that.
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SPEAKER_04: And I will also say that things like the Liddits Run Watershed Association and um the work that's been happening there for so long has inspired so much other work in Lancaster.
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SPEAKER_04: So thank you for being a leader in that and committing to that vision you had.
19:18
SPEAKER_04: That's huge.
19:18
SPEAKER_04: And it has inspired more.
19:20
SPEAKER_04: And it doesn't always show up as the exact same thing in other places.
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SPEAKER_04: Some people have said, well, why isn't let it run one of your delisting catchments?
19:28
SPEAKER_04: And I say, because they already have it moving.
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SPEAKER_04: Like there's been 37 years worth of work happening there.
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SPEAKER_04: They don't need it to be called out as a delisting catchment.
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SPEAKER_04: Like you guys are doing it, you're making it happen.
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SPEAKER_04: And so, how do we take that same momentum and create the same drive, same in interest in some other areas?
19:48
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I th I think it's important to understand it.
19:50
SPEAKER_00: It is a group.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: It is a community that started this and is still actively engaged in it.
19:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, so it it's not just one or two people.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: It's the community had to had to rally behind it for sure.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: Take our noise moment.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: Now and that this kind of fits into that or could, depending on how you how you define it.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: A tool that many use to overcome challenges, especially you know, when you've when you're getting pushback, is collective advocacy.
20:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's kind of what you describe when when uh the public is getting it and then you know trying to to push it, push it forward because they realize the benefit of it.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: When you hear the term collective advocacy, what does it mean to you, especially when it comes to protecting our water resources?
20:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I think it just goes back to having a a group and a community that can answer all of those questions that are going to come up.
20:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, I guess my best example would be uh Landis Homes.
21:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh there is a group of residents there called the Friends of Woods and Wetlands.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: And we did a very large, it's 17-acre floodplain restoration, huge wetland was created on this campus.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, when we first did that, that was really a vision of Landis Homes, the community, as opposed to the residents.
21:24
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: So it took some time for from a um education standpoint for them to kind of, you know, see it kind of start to fill in.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were there during the construction, they had their lawn chairs lined up along the bank, they're there at six in the morning watching as they were constructing all of it.
21:43
SPEAKER_00: But now it has become it's unbelievable the number of people that have moved there because of that wetland and the biodiversity that it provides.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: And we have um professors and biology teachers that have.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: moved there, um, who have are part of this group.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh they call themselves the Friends of the Woods and Wetlands, who see this as almost like a legacy.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: And um they speak a lot of times we will have, you know, we do a lot of tours and things like that.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: We'll let them them talk and they'll they'll go out and they they talk about what they see in the wetland, the importance of it and the value of it.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: But that's a big group.
22:29
SPEAKER_00: I think they're at least 50s, 50 to 70 strong anymore.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: They meet once a month.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: But they answer the questions.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: The questions don't come to us anymore.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: It goes to that group and they're there to answer, well, you know, what's what about the mosquitoes?
22:45
SPEAKER_00: What's going to happen with the mosquitoes?
22:47
SPEAKER_00: And they can answer those questions.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Now was there anybody who at the beginning was going, what the heck are you guys doing?
22:53
SPEAKER_01: And kind of pushing back.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: That is now one of those people that is totally bought in and answers the questions.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if because this was 15 years ago.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:05
SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think ship staff.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: I I would say Linford Grid would probably have a better understanding.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: He was the director of um development at Atlantis Homes at the time and a huge champion for the project.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: But I do know that when we first did the design, um, they were building um hybrid units, some apartment units.
23:27
SPEAKER_00: And those residents that were moving in were really concerned.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: They're like, what is this going to look like?
23:33
SPEAKER_00: So I actually did a design for a visual buffer along the top of that bank to screen them from that from the proposed wetland.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: And I think after the um uh it was constructed and after it kind of went in they were like no this isn't so bad.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: And we don't need to put that in.
23:55
SPEAKER_00: So that was when it really started to to back out of, you know, maybe we want to really look at this.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: And now it's become a centerpiece for the community.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: It really is.
24:06
SPEAKER_04: And it serves as I mean they're currently finishing a next round of construction.
24:10
SPEAKER_04: So it gave them more options as a landowner, right?
24:14
SPEAKER_04: Of new types of or additional types of building that they could do there.
24:19
SPEAKER_04: I do remember Lindford saying they can charge more for those.
24:22
SPEAKER_04: It's like waterfront property.
24:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
24:24
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
24:25
SPEAKER_00: But the um we didn't talk about this, but uh floodplain restoration is um an approach that that Land Studies has has um been working on for the last 15 years and utilizing it for stormwater management.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: And um Landis Homes was the first um sizable floodplain restoration that was used for stormwater management.
24:50
SPEAKER_00: And so um once it went in the ground it achieved all the goals and and as it was it's surpassed um the function and what it needed to to achieve stormwater management.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: When they planned this new most recent addition um all of those units are directly adjacent to the wetland with views going into the wetland um and all of the stormwater management from my understanding for that new expansion area was already in the floodplain that was restored as part of the first phase 15 years ago.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: So it became a regional stormwater management facility with lots of other benefits water quality, groundwater recharge, biodiversity, um, and et cetera, et cetera so and how much it's inspired in 15 years.
25:48
SPEAKER_04: I mean if that was one of the first do you know how many since then?
25:54
SPEAKER_00: That would be hard to keep track of buttons I want to say we're probably over 50, I think.
25:59
SPEAKER_04: Wow.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: Now not all of those are for um stormwater management.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: But are those all over the mid-Atlantic mid-Atlantic region?
26:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I say most most in Pennsylvania especially those being used for stormwater management.
26:16
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:18
SPEAKER_04: Do you want to talk about the the book?
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Yes I have it right here.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: I was reading reading up about it before we started yeah you helped pioneer the concept of economic ecology can you describe what that is and how that way of thinking helps to bring people with different priorities to the same table.
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah I I cannot take credit for economic ecology.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: That was really my my husband's um you know vision for blending public-private partnerships.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: One of the things that was important to us from a business standpoint, um you know we're doing all this research and development where you know we have obviously a very passionate mission and um was to have not only does this work have to be done just through grants and for you know improving the environment why does it have to be siloed?
27:22
SPEAKER_00: Why can't we have benefits for the private sector so that there is you know economic benefits for them as well as the the environmental benefits.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: So economic ecology is really the basis of having economic benefit to environmental restoration and environmental improvement um that goes beyond just you know oh you don't have to mow as often so I mean that was back in the day there were there were a lot of um kind of less cost benefit um type analysis being done for for restoration work.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: But by utilizing the floodplain for stormwater management, yes, it costs more upfront to restore the floodplain if you have a floodplain on your site and if it has been impacted with legacy sediment.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: But you end up with more buildable land because the typical stormwater detention basin which is one use stormwater management takes up a sizable area you know hole in the ground about a third of a site is probably used for for that stormwater management.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: So by utilizing the floodplain we are able to make the buildable land the upland area more efficient so they get more units being able to um without having to use that buildable land.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah does that make sense the wheels are spinning I can see it wow but if you look at it I mean from a municipal standpoint we have in Lancaster we've established urban growth boundaries and within the urban growth boundaries we want to keep our um density as high.
29:20
SPEAKER_00: So in fact I think in our region around Liddits it's about seven dwelling units per acre or something like that.
29:28
SPEAKER_00: So at the same time we want to preserve farmland and we want to preserve open space.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: So if we have to take away that land within that urban growth area for stormwater for one use, we reduce our efficiency.
29:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: So if we can do regional stormwater and restore a floodplain that helps to reduce flooding it helps groundwater recharge, water quality, biodiversity, all those types of things um, you know it's just much more bang for the buck.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:01
SPEAKER_04: What are some of the places that you maybe originally or maybe continuously have had to advocate for that concept you know like you said your husband Mark came up with the title and kind of the blending of worlds.
30:16
SPEAKER_04: What are some of the places that you have uh taken that show on the road had to had to advocate for it.
30:23
SPEAKER_00: I I'm hearing you say things like municipal meetings or maybe it's at a community level, but is it at a funders that yeah I think um a lot of it was working with um land development consultants okay um for them to understand how this could benefit them and their possible as well and that this was possible.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: And then I think municipalities um more so from the standpoint of they just they didn't want to be the first out of the gate.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: So they all wanted to see okay who's doing this where else is it being done um and then the the builder development community.
31:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah um again that is best when they speak peer to peer.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: So um you know I we'd much rather have Mike O'Brien from RGS or um from Oak Tree speak about that as opposed to you know us coming in and and talking about it.
31:30
SPEAKER_00: It's it's gonna be much better received from peer to peer.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: So it's important again to go back to making sure we measure and we can show quantifiable results with with all of it.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Is there anything you Kelly you want us to ask you about that topic or about that publication or um oh I think um one of the you can tell us what how to I think one of the misconceptions is that it's way more expensive.
32:06
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: So um we you know we always saw that you know yes it's more but look at all the additional benefits that you're getting there is definitely a cost benefit with it and Patrick Fleming at FNM did a study he is um in the economics department at Franklin and Marshall College and um he was a skeptic at first um he was like okay I'll give it a shot and see what happens and went through um and at the end of the day after he was able to do the cost benefit analysis for multiple of these projects the benefit the cost per unit of benefit um was much lower because of the um the amount of improvement was much more sizable in a floodplain restoration than say, you know, putting in the in an urban area where you have a you know a small rain garden or or bump outs and things like that.
33:12
SPEAKER_00: You know, in urban areas city of Lancaster it's way more costly to get that um pollution reduction at a a you know a reasonable cost.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: Whereas in areas you know in the fringe and in the suburban areas where we can utilize and restore those food planes, we can get a lot more benefit more cost effective.
33:33
SPEAKER_04: And have you found that that benefit um I'll say is is it diverse in the types of benefits?
33:43
SPEAKER_04: Some people think that the definition of a restored watershed is just that there's more plants or that it's like you could pick one thing of water quality.
33:54
SPEAKER_04: We all keep coming back to saying that we're all working towards that water quality improvement.
33:59
SPEAKER_04: But some people would say well that means the nitrogen went down or that meant the temperature went up you know like you could spin in the science.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: So yeah how describe how you guys define some of that restoration benefit yeah I I think the main thing is looking at restoration that provides multiple, you know, stacking benefits heard this so often but um you know if you can address your water quality and achieve your I don't even want to attempt MS4 municipal separate storm sewer system.
34:39
SPEAKER_04: There we go.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: You go um so if you can address those with flood reduction as well as the you know the improved uh biodiversity and vegetation and things like that.
34:57
SPEAKER_00: But we also get these linkages and these corridors and these connectors which is a big part of what the blue green uh connector is is looking at you know rather than just have these linking them exponentially makes the benefit even greater.
35:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: Um because I think we're we all agree that you know linking and creating corridors um is is a huge benefit yeah to the environment and to wildlife and and vegetation.
35:30
SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna take that and keep running with it because you and your team were a huge part of driving projects like the Blue Green Connector that had a tool of the watershed permit.
35:42
SPEAKER_04: So can you give us a little bit of the background like story time here about watershed permit, what it is and I I mean I feel like it existed for a while and kind of made a resurgence but it was because your team advocated for it.
35:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
35:56
SPEAKER_04: So yeah can describe what that was like.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: And I don't I can't say I am technical and understand all aspects of the watershed based permit.
36:06
SPEAKER_00: But um we did do a watershed based permit uh for the Lidditz run watershed um 15 20 years ago.
36:15
SPEAKER_00: And it was probably it was the first of its kind at that time.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: And the whole premise was to improve the efficiency of permitting so that we could get more work done in the watershed.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: So um it has evolved and um I think that the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental protection is much more supportive.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: Is very supportive of it because they see the benefit of that expediting restoration.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: But it's what's important is that when we establish that approach that we really listened to DP and tried to make sure that it still they were able to check off and keep it within their box.
37:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: That is really the key to getting something like this um approved that is a different something different it's a different approach to permitting which is typically has been site by site for for years.
37:27
SPEAKER_00: And just making sure that we still have achieved what they need um to be able to approve it.
37:33
SPEAKER_04: That really helps and I think it also shows how you keep coming back to listening but you're respecting people's expertise and their responsibilities.
37:43
SPEAKER_04: You're saying that DEP had their boxes they had to check and so okay we work within that we don't I mean we try for something different.
37:50
SPEAKER_04: We think outside the box but we understand that there are limitations for certain people or certain parts of this.
37:57
SPEAKER_04: So where are the places I'm hearing you say I'm correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm hearing you say that that's where we can push the door open a little farther to try something different.
38:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean it's the same with um getting municipalities to approve using uh a floodplain for stormwater management.
38:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: Um you know we needed to help the municipalities to adjust their ordinances to allow restoration within a floodplain.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: Or a type of restoration within a floodplain.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:29
SPEAKER_00: And then um I think the actual use became a variance with the development.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: So being able to the have a variance at least in some of the municipalities that became the urge.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: And in all these projects I mean there are so many hands in the in the pie you know it's so it does require a lot of collaboration.
38:53
SPEAKER_00: Can you tell us about a time where you by using collaboration got a lot more than you anticipated I I'm going to go back to Linux on watershed because there were just so many groups and it and it kind of snowballed from the standpoint of the Linux and watershed alliance engaged not just local advocates and champions um you know the Toronto Limited group and obviously the municipalities but the school district was involved.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: Local schools and universities were involved they used it as an outdoor classroom and you know were involved in studies.
39:39
SPEAKER_00: Conservation district has has been in involved um so local industry um the environmental compliance officers have you know they see it as an opportunity where we can you know they have something that they have to try to achieve you might be able to help them.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: So we work together you know with those groups SRBC I just was at the meeting this morning um Susquehanna River Basin Commission.
40:05
SPEAKER_00: I got you good job um groundwater uh oh yeah groundwater recharge and um and water quality so water quality and quantity but groundwater that's something no one sees but it's a really integral part of our watershed um you know because we we've been dealing with stormwater and runoff and all the things that we can see but um groundwater is a um you know really big it's important that we keep it here and we keep it in our aquifer.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: So how do we again identify locations and be strategic with how we use our money um to get more more benefits.
40:49
SPEAKER_04: Those stacked benefits yeah so many metaphors you can make here of stacked benefits and surface to groundwater.
40:57
SPEAKER_04: I'm thinking of like profile shots of interchange of yeah but I never say this right hyperic exchange oh yeah I don't know how to pronounce it I can't I always get it wrong.
41:09
SPEAKER_00: Anyway but that's the exchange between groundwater and surface water that keeps surface water cold because you get that yeah that exchange between the two.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: So that's important for for streams.
41:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:22
SPEAKER_04: Well and so many of us in Legister are fortunate to be able to turn the tap on and trust that the water coming out well that the fact that water will come out and that it's clean and healthy for our families.
41:33
SPEAKER_04: And so that recharge I think there's just more and more that we need to lean in to understand it and protect it.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: So I'm eager to hear more about this morning's how that may Lancaster County is I mean we have great farmland and the geology supports that but it's it's karst geology, Swiss cheese.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: So we need to be cognizant of that.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah um and you have to be careful with how you you infiltrate and where you infiltrate and it's also a threat yeah to the water quality because things could get in there very quickly.
42:08
SPEAKER_04: Right.
42:10
SPEAKER_04: Do you want to ask that questi next one or you want me to that one?
42:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah I'll ask it because then I'll ask you too I was trying to think of a segue into it and there's really not um you're a mentor and an inspiration for many young women in this industry how have you succeeded and when you run into barriers while advocating for women in business yeah I you know this was a really interesting question because I never really saw myself as a woman and that it being limiting um I mean from the standpoint of a business.
42:56
SPEAKER_00: Like I never identified as oh I'm a women owned business.
43:01
SPEAKER_00: Like we just never I mean it was something that we we did.
43:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean obviously I was I was the president but um a lot of our partners they needed that from the standpoint they wanted our services but they're like you know what if you had this sort of certification then you know that would help us with this project um to be able to check off some of the boxes type thing.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: I would say the biggest the biggest barrier for me has been my deafness way more.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: So that has been you know definitely a ride over over the years.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: Um you know obviously the last twenty five years since I've had the implants it's been um much much better.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: But before then that was very challenging.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
43:54
SPEAKER_04: What are some of the ways that you have really worked to advocate for I'm not going to say this right, so please prepare to edit.
44:04
SPEAKER_04: But um accommodations so that you can fully participate.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: Um actually, you know, recently, again, because of this great technology, I my bionic ears are work very well.
44:20
SPEAKER_00: So I don't I don't need the support.
44:23
SPEAKER_00: But gosh, um back 25, 30 years ago, I had speakers that are microphones that I'd put in the middle of the table.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: And I had this was before all the great speech to text technology and things like that.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: And um so I had, you know, notes, I'd have, I'd have people like repeat things to me.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I it took a lot more support.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah um, but I, you know, it didn't you just I think the main thing is just not for it not to def I didn't want it to define me.
45:01
SPEAKER_00: I still had a lot of things that I wanted to achieve and I was pretty passionate about, and you know, just tried to use whatever technology was available at the time to support me.
45:13
SPEAKER_00: And I'm sure he said all kinds of crazy stuff over the years.
45:18
SPEAKER_04: Well, you have soared in all of your work.
45:21
SPEAKER_04: And so congratulations on not letting any of those things define you or limit you.
45:26
SPEAKER_04: Um you have absolutely been an inspiration to many.
45:30
SPEAKER_04: So I applaud your efforts and uh we'll call out things like Penn State Alumni Awards and yes, women in business.
45:39
SPEAKER_04: So congratulations.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
45:41
SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to figure out how to turn that to you.
45:49
SPEAKER_04: No need to.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, I am actually curious, and we might even take this out, but um, as a woman in business, have you seen any barriers put up?
45:59
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:00
SPEAKER_04: I was fortunate to have a mom in business who was one of those first women in the room or only women in the room.
46:07
SPEAKER_04: And I don't I think like you said, she didn't let it limit her, but it was she was cognizant of it.
46:11
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:12
SPEAKER_04: And so she would come home and talk about how she was the only one at the cocktail hour or whatever.
46:17
SPEAKER_04: But um, yeah, I mean, just I inspired by women who have come before me that have not let it slow them down.
46:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
46:26
SPEAKER_04: So grateful for my grandma who did that too and starting starting their business.
46:31
SPEAKER_04: And I have taken the lessons learned from that, and I feel grateful for the chance to apply it in the nonprofit sector.
46:40
SPEAKER_04: But in this network work, it's this beautiful blending of worlds of nonprofit, for-profit, higher education municipalities, all those.
46:48
SPEAKER_04: So that's really great.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: So, what do you see as the as the greatest opportunity for Lancaster County's conservation and collaboration to work together in even more ways?
47:04
SPEAKER_01: The the people that are involved in that, the rock stars, if you will, of the conservation world.
47:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think, you know, continuing to advocate wherever wherever we can.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I think supporting our watershed groups, I mean they're they're they're the rock stars.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, managing grants like they do as volunteers, it's unbelievable the amount of work that that they put in.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, supporting them, I'd like to see more growth of our of our you know, volunteer watershed groups.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: I think that they um, you know, they they've done a lot and they provide a lot of advocacy.
47:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: Um really excited about the um High Foundations Environmental Center at Sunnyside.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, are you are you guys moving there?
47:56
SPEAKER_04: We're gonna be one of those.
47:57
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
47:58
SPEAKER_04: And that's interesting.
47:59
SPEAKER_04: You said you were at the SRBC event this morning, and I was like, wait, which one do I go to?
48:03
SPEAKER_04: Because there was a Sunnyside anchor organization event, and I really wanted to go hear about the groundwater recharge, but I was like, But that's gonna be an incredible resource.
48:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I don't think anywhere I I have never heard, at least in Pennsylvania, yeah, of there being a, you know, one contiguous kind of center where the nonprofits and and to support that group and that peninsula, I had no clue.
48:36
SPEAKER_04: Um it's incredible the number of bird and bat species and just 70 acres in an urban setting.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's really unique.
48:45
SPEAKER_00: I had no clue.
48:46
SPEAKER_00: And it's gonna be just an amazing resource and the fact that it's so close to the city.
48:51
SPEAKER_00: And so that I think is gonna be a big, a big deal for Lancaster County and uh advocating for you know collective advocacy.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: It's it's gonna be ground zero.
49:04
SPEAKER_00: It's a big deal.
49:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:06
SPEAKER_01: That is really cool to me to think about the number of people living in the city that are gonna have an opportunity to get an education on our ecology, our environment, that might not have otherwise had an opportunity to do that.
49:22
SPEAKER_04: And that it's right there.
49:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:24
SPEAKER_04: The easily accessible.
49:26
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
49:28
SPEAKER_01: So, collective advocacy, what do you think it's going to look like in five, 10 years?
49:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, just kind of going back, I think that um really trying to get younger um folks involved.
49:44
SPEAKER_00: I know a lot of the, you know, the nonprofits and watershed organizations, I mean, they've been around for a while, you know, some of us are getting a lot of gray hair and involved.
49:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, but it would be great to have more um, you know, kind of some young blood in there.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm super happy um some of our staff are taking some leadership roles in some watershed groups, some younger um staff and things like that.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: So I'm I think that's a big part of it.
50:11
SPEAKER_00: I think embracing and supporting science and metrics, yeah, uh, quantifiable results.
50:18
SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, I think that's gonna be really, really important, um, especially as we have more pressure on our natural resources.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, big things now, data centers and um different eye uses that maybe are a little more industrial than um, you know, traditional eye are gonna put some more pressure on things.
50:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think that's important.
50:54
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, keep learning and adapting and knowing how to put put all of the information that's out there to good use.
51:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:04
SPEAKER_00: There, I think that's the biggest challenge.
51:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, when we first started this, we were just like grappling, you're trying to get any information you could.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: Whereas now it's almost like you have so much.
51:16
SPEAKER_00: To filter it down is the biggest challenge.
51:19
SPEAKER_00: And to make sure you stay to the core.
51:22
SPEAKER_00: So I think the focus issue or you know, the the approach of staying focused is going to be more important than ever.
51:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:30
SPEAKER_00: Because you're gonna be able to go in five million directions.
51:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:33
SPEAKER_04: As you said, that vision.
51:34
SPEAKER_04: You all had it from the beginning, and we're continuing with that.
51:38
SPEAKER_04: Our stick with it.
51:39
SPEAKER_04: Yep.
51:40
SPEAKER_04: That collective vision of clean and clear by 2040.
51:43
SPEAKER_04: Thank you for helping us do that.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
51:46
SPEAKER_00: You guys are doing amazing work, really, really great work.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: And just um, I was talking this morning about some of the um the planners at the county were talking about how do we implement, you know, with the, you know, whether it's protecting critical aquifer recharge areas or groundwater recharge and things like that.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: And um I think having some source of um I lost my train of thought.
52:18
SPEAKER_02: Implementing um vision, all working toward science, data, too.
52:28
SPEAKER_04: How did I lose that?
52:31
SPEAKER_04: Where does I go with that?
52:33
SPEAKER_04: We can come back to it.
52:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I was uh talking about the um with groundwater recharge and the anyway.
52:43
SPEAKER_04: Is there any question?
52:44
SPEAKER_04: I lost it.
52:45
SPEAKER_04: Sorry.
52:46
SPEAKER_04: No, it's bad.
52:47
SPEAKER_04: Is there anything you want us to ask to get more details?
52:51
SPEAKER_04: Like we didn't get into the sale of land studies or the change in of that over time.
52:56
SPEAKER_04: Do you want us to talk about that in in more detail?
53:00
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so, unless you unless you want to.
53:05
SPEAKER_00: Um Do you think there will be questions about um floodplain restoration?
53:13
SPEAKER_04: Like how I think you covered the explanation like what it is and how it's been used.
53:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: And if somebody asked a question about something we don't I'd be delighted.
53:26
SPEAKER_04: Right.
53:27
SPEAKER_00: They use the info at.
53:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
53:30
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't think so.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: I think I covered all of my notes.
53:35
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
53:36
SPEAKER_04: Everything that I had.
53:37
SPEAKER_04: Well, then I guess that.
53:38
SPEAKER_01: Oh, go ahead.
53:39
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, when you intro that, um, just keep your like tone high because it makes it sound like you're like excited for that.
53:47
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
53:47
SPEAKER_04: And we are at two o'clock.
53:48
SPEAKER_04: So there's another one.
53:50
SPEAKER_01: We will whip through these quick, fast, and in a hurry.
53:52
SPEAKER_01: So that brings me to my favorite part of the show, and that is trivia time.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: Now you and your husband Mark have welcomed three new grandchildren in the last two years.
54:02
SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
54:04
SPEAKER_01: The grands are even further scattered than mine, so you have been racking up frequent flyer miles.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: So each airport, major airport around the world has a three-letter International Air Transportation Association, I-A-T-A, uh airport code.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: They have a three three-uh letter airport code.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: For example, PHL would be Philly.
54:27
SPEAKER_01: Philadelphia, exactly.
54:28
SPEAKER_01: And D BWI is Baltimore, Washington International, Thoroughgood Marshall Airport.
54:32
SPEAKER_01: That's a long name.
54:34
SPEAKER_01: So some of these three-letter codes can be really amusing, and we're going to focus on those.
54:38
SPEAKER_01: I will give you the name of the airport and a little hint.
54:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
54:43
SPEAKER_01: And you tell me the three-letter airport code.
54:45
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
54:46
SPEAKER_01: Here we go.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: Bodo airport in Norway can be celebrating Halloween all year long with this airport code.
54:58
SPEAKER_00: B-O-O.
54:59
SPEAKER_01: It is boo.
55:00
SPEAKER_01: You got it.
55:01
SPEAKER_01: Very good.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
55:06
SPEAKER_01: Barra, two hours.
55:08
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's how you pronounce it or not.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: Airport in Scotland, probably not.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh, might be telling you to bundle up with this airport code.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: B-R-R.
55:18
SPEAKER_01: Brr, you got it.
55:20
SPEAKER_01: If you fly into Cascas, I assume that's how you pronounce it, municipal aerodome in Portugal, you may always land on your feet.
55:32
SPEAKER_02: Cascais municipal aerodome.
55:37
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: Cat.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: It is cat.
55:40
SPEAKER_01: Very good.
55:42
SPEAKER_01: If you fly into Dongola Airport in Sudan, you may just find your best friend.
55:49
SPEAKER_04: Or man's best friend.
55:51
SPEAKER_01: Dongola Airport.
55:54
SPEAKER_01: It is dog, you are correct, yeah.
55:57
SPEAKER_01: You may have the best time ever flying into Funafuti International Airport in Tuvalu.
56:05
SPEAKER_02: Tuvalu.
56:09
SPEAKER_02: Fun uh Funafutu.
56:12
SPEAKER_02: Futu Futu?
56:16
SPEAKER_02: You might have the best time.
56:18
SPEAKER_04: It's a lot of fun.
56:21
SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
56:22
SPEAKER_04: It is.
56:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's fun.
56:25
SPEAKER_01: A delay in Grand Rapids, Michigan may be may leave you growling.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: G R R.
56:31
SPEAKER_03: It is G R R, yeah.
56:33
SPEAKER_01: You may use this aloud acronym if you are if you're surprised to be in Omega Airport in Namibia.
56:42
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
56:44
SPEAKER_02: O H H O B.
56:48
SPEAKER_00: O M G O.
56:50
SPEAKER_01: Yes! Very good.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: This is a tough one.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, you'll find neither the apple nor pumpkin varieties at this St.
57:00
SPEAKER_01: Pete Clearwater International Airport.
57:05
SPEAKER_02: Think about the apkin, apple, or pumpkin.
57:08
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
57:10
SPEAKER_01: Especially around Thanksgiving.
57:12
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
57:13
unknown: Pie.
57:14
SPEAKER_01: It is pie.
57:15
SPEAKER_01: Very good.
57:16
SPEAKER_01: And if you like those flavors, you may find yourself at Yuma International Airport in Arizona.
57:22
SPEAKER_04: They're so tasty.
57:24
SPEAKER_04: They are yum.
57:26
SPEAKER_01: It is yum, yeah.
57:27
SPEAKER_01: Very good.
57:29
SPEAKER_01: It would, here, this one's just for you.
57:31
SPEAKER_01: It would be very coincidental to change your grandkid's diaper in Pocos de Caldas Airport in Brazil.
57:39
SPEAKER_04: Oh, good.
57:41
SPEAKER_04: The diaper that you're changing might be have it in it.
57:47
SPEAKER_01: It is, yeah.
57:48
SPEAKER_00: Ah.
57:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
57:51
SPEAKER_01: Airline people have a weird sense of humor.
57:54
SPEAKER_01: That's all I know.
57:56
SPEAKER_01: Willow Airport in Alaska must be a pretty impressive airport.
58:03
SPEAKER_01: Willow?
58:05
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
58:06
SPEAKER_01: Wow, exactly.
58:08
SPEAKER_01: You just gotta work through them sometimes.
58:11
SPEAKER_01: And this is the unfortunate code for Sioux Gateways International Airport in Iowa.
58:16
SPEAKER_01: You have to know how to spell Sioux, like the Native American tribe.
58:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh hopefully it's not a reflection of the experience.
58:23
SPEAKER_04: S-I-O.
58:27
SPEAKER_04: Using some of the letters in that word.
58:30
SPEAKER_01: This is kind of a tough one.
58:32
SPEAKER_04: And if it is an unfortunate code, makes a it sound like a word that it like if you had a bad experience.
58:41
SPEAKER_02: Sad so.
58:43
SPEAKER_02: Sad so you X.
58:52
SPEAKER_02: You got her.
59:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm like, okay, and you're picking these random airports from anywhere.
59:04
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, oh, all right.
59:05
SPEAKER_00: Which I did great.
59:06
SPEAKER_00: Nothing at all of them when you're like trying to read somebody's books.
59:10
SPEAKER_00: It's like randomly got it.
59:13
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
59:13
SPEAKER_00: Thanks, you guys.
59:14
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
59:15
SPEAKER_01: That's our trivia.
59:16
SPEAKER_01: That's our show.
59:17
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for well for coming in and for all that you do for uh um for our waterways here and throughout the mid-Atlantic.
59:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you for all that you do.
59:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's just having this umbrella group in Lancaster that oversees and helps the our entire community um re-outreach and reach our community, and more advocacy is is huge.
59:46
SPEAKER_00: So we really appreciate everything you guys have been doing.
59:49
SPEAKER_04: You're driving it from many years ago, that vision.
59:53
SPEAKER_04: It's still here.
59:54
SPEAKER_04: Thank you, thank you.
59:56
SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: And we will be back in just a couple of weeks.
59:59
SPEAKER_01: Until then, take care.
1:00:01
SPEAKER_02: Bye, everybody.
1:00:04
unknown: There we go.