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The Slaying of Purity · Divine Dialogue

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  SPEAKER_00: Hello, listeners, and welcome to the Divine Dialogue Podcast, where we dig deeper into the trove of wisdom and guidance stories have to offer.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever watched a movie and felt moved?
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  SPEAKER_00: Felt called to make a change or reflect more deeply on your own life?
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  SPEAKER_00: If so, this podcast has a lot to offer you.
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  SPEAKER_00: For our fourth episode and our Harry Potter and the Sorcerer Stone series, we will explore the scene where desperation clashes with innocence.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: And the scene I'm referencing is going to be when Voldemort, aka Quarrel slash Quarrel are in the Forbidden Forest and we see them feeding on a lifeless unicorn.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: So essentially for the scene recap, we have Harry and Draco are partnered up in the Forbidden Forest as part of a detention punishment.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: They have Fang, but he's a bloody coward, as Hagrid would say.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Hagrid's assignment is clear.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Find out what killed the unicorns.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: Harry and Draco walk together, reluctantly exchanging insults, when they walk into a foggy clearing and hear a growling sound, but it's not Fang.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: There's a hooded figure bent down, drinking the blood of a unicorn.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Harry's scar burns, Draco runs, and the hooded figure approaches Harry.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Out of nowhere, the centaur for Renz saves Harry, and they talk a little before Hagrid comes to collect him.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: So for the soul meaning in this one, Divine Listeners, this is quite telling.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: To me, just to get the simplistic part out of the way, I really think that unicorns represents purity and innocence in the Harry Potter lore, a beautiful creature with magical blood of life continuation.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is the temptation for someone or something, desperate enough to harm it.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think at this point in the story, knowing what we know about Voldemort and what we learn about him, he's more of a something than a someone.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: I would say in this case, he has possessed someone as something to essentially feed off of.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: But there is a cost to this, as Ferenc tells Harry.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: From the moment the blood touches your lips, you will lead a half-life, a cursed life.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I think this is where Harry and the Unicorn are actually of the same essence.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is something that I went back in my draft and wrote a lot more about because I think it's a really nice connection point in the lore.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because we see essentially that both Harry and the Unicorn represent innocence violated by Voldemort in his attempt to strengthen his own fragile form.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I would argue that obviously that innocence was most easily recognized when Harry was a baby.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: But Voldemort continues to try to attack, try to kill, try to harm Harry throughout the rest of the series in all these different ways, through other people, through energy, through whorecruxes that Harry stumbles upon accidentally, like in the Chamber of Secrets.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's always trying to finish off, you know, the innocence that he tried to destroy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Harry is essentially a unicorn-like energy that you could say throughout the entire series.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: And before, you know, Voldemort ever drinks the blood of the unicorn, he's already killed countless people.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting the parallel because, you know, since he tried to kill Harry when Harry was a baby, which is a completely innocent life, a pure life, and the curse rebounded.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: He essentially started living a very cursed life and a half-life.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was a curse that was, you know, waiting for him.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can only pull the ruler back so far before it comes back and smacks you in the face, you know.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: And I think for him, when he went to Godric's Hollow and killed Harry's parents and then tried to kill Harry, that was all that energy finally snapped back to him.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that was really the beginning of the end for him.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yes, we see how the rest of the series carries out, and it's a huge plot and a huge conflict, and you know, more of a journey for Harry to actually reconcile himself, like the part of himself that was violated by Voldemort, really.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: But we really do see that Voldemort's life is a half-life and a curse life in the very first Harry Potter movie, and it's just more of that being revealed over time.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's why I say the unicorn feeding is not and should not be looked at as an isolated event.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a continuation of the same pattern that Voldemort's been in for decades.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Voldemort tries to curse innocence and he becomes cursed.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: He tries to destroy a baby and he is reduced to a half-life.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: He drinks the blood of the unicorn, and as Feren says, he continues to live a cursed life.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: And what I find exceptionally heartbreaking about this is when we look back at the end of this movie, is Voldemort infected another, which is Professor Quirl.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because Voldemort doesn't have a body at this point in the story.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is essentially a phantom and a parasite.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Which is interesting because he calls Quirl that later on, when Harry speaks to Voldemort in front of the mirror at the very end of the movie.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: So Quirl and Voldemort not only curse themselves, but they also curse each other.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: Although by this point, Voldemort had already cursed himself by violating the innocence of others.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: Up to this point in the movie, we don't know if Quirl had done anything quite this cruel yet.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: We do know he attempted to endanger Harry on the Quidditch field with a hex, but that's more akin to Dobby hijacking the bludger than actu although they did have very different intentions, but it's not when you look at the things that Voldemort does, it seems very benign in comparison.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's still really messed up when you consider Harry's brand new Quidditch player.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's only 11, you know, like it's pretty messed up that Coral did that, but it seems so much more passive and kitten-y almost, speaking of my cat, if you heard her, than the stuff that Voldemort does.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, Coral gave up his whole life for a parasite to essentially use him and pressure him and make him scramble to accomplish things probably well above his wizarding level.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: And it almost reminds me of a form of peer pressure by possession.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: Since I think it was Voldemort's energy consuming the unicorn, but Coral was just a vessel.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: But Voldemort didn't care if he, you know, perverted the vessel.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: He just wanted someone to help him consume the energy.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: So Quirl's a stupid vessel, but a vessel nonetheless.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the unicorn shows us something profound about the whole series as we see the Harry Potter saga through to the end, which is that Voldemort was not very powerful at all.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: He always needed to siphon from other sources, because everything about him was externalized.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's what the unicorn can show us, in its most devastatingly sad form, is that he needed the unicorn.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: But when you think about the whole series, he needed Jenny to obey the diary.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: He needed Wormtail to cast a spell to give him form.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: He needed a more powerful wand.
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  SPEAKER_00: He needed his followers.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_00: He was just a very needy dude.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he, you know, it's funny, but externalized power works this way.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes the most innocent are caught in the crosshairs of that insatiable desire for false power, like the unicorn, like baby Harry, like so many of the victims Voldemort used.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: But if you really look at Voldemort himself, he's quite weak and very needy and very powerless because he's outsourced all of his power.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that's why I feel it's so important to cover this scene, because it shows you the lengths people will go to when they get addicted to external power and the horrific acts they'll commit to hang on to external power.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: We I mean, we saw this in the Balto series.
• 8:16
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• 8:19
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• 8:20
  SPEAKER_00: Steele is very much like this with the external power seeking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like he, in this case, for him, it's just a crate of medicine, but that's his external power.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, Well, I'm gonna bring back the medicine, and I don't care if I if half the kids in the town die before I get it back, or all of them do, like, I'm gonna hang on to my external power.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the unicorn speaks in a similar way to a strong symbol of the victims of external power, and it also creates a full circle moment to explain Voldemort himself.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: And this part is not in the movies, but it is in Voldemort's lore, and I wanted to cover it because I think it's important to go into.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: I actually listened to this, and if I can find the YouTube video, I will link it in the show notes because I went on a bit of a deeper dive into the Harry Potter lore just because I'm a Harry Potter girl, I'm a nerd, but essentially it was a YouTuber talking about Voldemort's past on, I believe they were playing Hogwarts Legacy.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if I can find that video, I will link it because it's very interesting if if you're a nerd like me and you want to know the backstory of things.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: But I really do think that this explains essentially the energy that Voldemort was conceived in and born into and tainted with from the time he was his his life started, essentially.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: So for those of you that don't know, his mother put a spell on his father and conceived him under the lies of manipulated obsession.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: So it makes sense that energetically he would have this insatiable need because he was conceived through insatiable need.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: His mother needed his father to love her.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: So she externalized power vis-a-vis limerence and love, essentially.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like he needs to love me, he needs to see me for me to be okay.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: So she outsourced her power to him, put a spell on him, but then she takes the spell off, believing that they had developed some kind of connection and he wouldn't leave her, but he does leave her.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then she can't be reminded of what she created with him, which was Voldemort Tom at the time, named after his father.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so she didn't raise him, she got rid of him, she because she couldn't be reminded of basically the spell, but actually the curse that she created.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I just really think it's so important to go into that lore because it really does show us that he was born with insatiable need.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now that doesn't mean that he had to follow that, I guess you could say, genetic disposition that he had, but I think it really is connected to this scene because from what we understand of Harry Potter and the universe of it, unicorns are some of the most precious and innocent beings in the whole universe.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it shows us the lengths he'll go to to hang on to this power.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I really also think Harry is such a brilliant contrast, which is why Harry is the hero, not because he is fully divine, integrated, you know, like Dumbledore is, but because he has this in him.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: He refuses to give into that part of himself, which is the whore crux inside of him, that does influence his anger, his hatred, his desire to reach for external power.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: We see him wrestle with this at times.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the huge turning points is actually in the Order of the Phoenix when he hears Voldemort in his ear telling him to curse Bellatrix after he loses Sirius.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like we see Harry struggle with this external power grab in so many scenes.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's like so important because Harry sees, you know, essentially what you could say the unicorns of temptation in his path, and he leaves them to their own lives, to their own autonomous wishes, and that makes him a hero because he is more focused on developing his internal power.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's more focused on what he can control.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's a, I'm not exactly sure if it's a philosophy or a school of thought of religion, but the inner locus of control, I highly recommend you look into that.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's essentially talking about what's in your control, what's not.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: But Harry has so many opportunities to give in to the same temptation.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Even later in this movie, which we'll finish off with the part two of the mirror of Aresid, which I'm really excited to get to.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: I love the mirror of Aresed.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: If you haven't listened to that episode, please go check it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he is tempted again by Voldemort with external his parents.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the thing that is that can really trip people up because it's kind of like I alluded to in the first part of The Mirror.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: We tend to rank order external things as well, this is understandable to be externally focused on this.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: But like in Ron's case, wanting to be a head boy and receive accolades, like that seems shallow.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the main point is separation from your divinity.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's what really matters.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: It like it does inspire more empathy and sympathy if your desires are more, I guess you could say, relational-based and connection-based, because we need connection, so you can sympathize more with that.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: But really the lesson is, you know, reaching for external power to any degree, but especially to the degree of, you know, killing something innocent or siphoning off someone else's life for to sustain your own will create a half-life, a curse life, a life essentially where you're always thirsty, it's a bottomless pit.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't really ever feel satisfied, you don't feel at peace.
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  SPEAKER_00: You get a twisted kind of payoff for it, but it's a very painful way to live.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I want you to think about, you know, continuing the sole meaning of the scene, just how weak that makes us when you really think about it, when you look at your own external power grabbing.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like if I have X, then I'll be okay.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: But the truth is, the curse isn't following that lie.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because peace is never ever yours.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: And to put it into energetic terms, this is blind masculine action with no counterbalance of feminine wisdom and stillness.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: And Voldemort is such a blind masculine actor.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Even as he sees his own form, which he works so hard to protect through fragmentation, start to disintegrate.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like by this point, he's literally a ghost of himself in the Sorcerer's Stone, but he keeps reaching anyway.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: He keeps digging the hole deeper of that half-cursed life.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: And the truth is, we are all unicorns until we sacrifice the purity, the magic inside us for power, for survival, for approval, or for false completion.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because I really do believe, and I think this is why stories speak to so many of us, especially in my specific circumstance.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think just because I needed something that wasn't as rigid as religion.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think religion has some amazing things in it, but I think there's so much corruption weaved into it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I needed something that was uncorrupted, and I think stories are a brilliant way to get the same message, but without all of the influence.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Let's just say there's a lot of external power grabbing in religion.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you could think of some things.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: But I really do think that why this speaks to us is because each of us has a spark of the divine inside.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And I think when ego takes over and attempts to slay this precious spark, or you could call it this inner unicorn, the effect on the person initiating the violence is clear.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: A distortion of their true nature, a splitting of their soul, which is exactly what happens to Voldemort over time as he slays multiple pure souls.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: He splits himself.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: The unicorn is simply a metaphor to introduce the viewer to the kind of depraved person Voldemort has become.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: We already have a pretty good idea of this in the movie already, but we really see it in its cruelty and its devastation in this scene.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: And he is so attached to remaining in form that he would harm the most innocent creature to hang on to it, no matter how distorted and inverted his own existence becomes, because he's completely driven by fear and external power grabbing at this point.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And the more he slays purity, the more he becomes comfortable with cruelty.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's a very important lesson to take away from this scene.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: By this point, he's been killing others for decades.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Harry and others, still in touch with their soul, look on such things such things as horrific, but Voldemort looks on it as something necessary for survival.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Only because his own splitting of his soul put him in this position in the first place.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: So it's one of those really vicious cycles.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've actually come to find this in my own life.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_00: Vicious cycles that I can identify and virtuous cycles.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: We don't really talk about virtuous cycles.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like I kind of just made that term up.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure it exists somewhere, but it came to my mind, so that's where it began, as far as I'm concerned, because that's where I first heard it, it was in my head.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because I could point to vicious cycles, you know, like where something happens and then you make a decision from that bad place, and then it compounds, you know, it gets worse.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like you have a bad day at work, you might come home, reach for external power through a substance, through numbing out, through trying to control what someone does, and then you might take another bad decision from that place, and it just becomes a vicious cycle.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like your self-care habits might slip, you know, you might get just further down the rabbit hole of external power grabbing because you forgot to be still.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're all blind action with no inner stillness, and it becomes a vicious cycle, but you can also have a virtuous cycle.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: You can look at the moment in the day, and there's always a handful of them, I think, but there's moments where you're like, oh, like I wish I would have made this decision instead.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: I wish I would have turned inward.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: I wish I would have asked myself, what do you need to be stable?
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's your mind trying to, again, going back to the Balto series, trying to focus on the broken bottles.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's grabbing your attention to be like, look at all this broken stuff.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: You need to do something about it, you need to fix it.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's the trap of the vicious cycle is taking all this action without just getting still and pausing.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Pausing is very helpful.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: It'll give you time before the freight train of your mind takes off.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's real important to remember that.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: But also continuing on this soul meaning here of the unicorn, I think it's very telling, and this is something I wrote about quite a bit too, that the sorcerer's stone has the ability to turn any metal into pure gold.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: So gold, right?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's what Voldemort's after.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: But the unicorn's blood is silver.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: So Voldemort is really what I think he's doing is he's trying to work his way up to the ability to achieve gold, which is what he believes will finally grant him immortality.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: But he doesn't even see how precious the unicorn is, because by this point, like I said, he's so comfortable with cruelty.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: The unicorn is just a stepping stone, literally, to the stone itself.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: And he definitely doesn't appreciate the depth of the stone, which is why it only appears to Harry later.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because Harry doesn't want to use the stone, he just wants to protect it, Voldemort wants to possess it, and it's like he is, you know, the unicorn is almost like a well, this will get me by.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: This will this is a quick fix.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is a, you know, a very um insignificant band-aid to, or, you know, uh pointless, almost like I have to go through this to get what I really want, kind of thing.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that we treat the present moment like that all the time, where we'll think like, well, I have to do this, but I really want this.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_00: And we just don't even like appreciate the the precious aspects of the moment, because we're always treating something like this is a silver thing I have to, you know, put up with to get to the gold.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: But in Voldemort's case, it's all the way on the extreme of this is the silver thing I have to violate and twist and use for my benefit to then get to the gold that I want to violate and twist and use for my benefit.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: So in his case, it's on the extreme end of the spectrum.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it's so interesting to me because this is also like he'll take anything, like he'll take any crumb of external power, which makes him a paradox of power and desperation.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like his twisted nature scares everyone, but he is so desperate.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: I really think that the mirror of Eric said's glass would probably shatter because it couldn't hold all of his lack.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: Since his power is externally based, that's why he's all action with no stillness.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to talk a lot about energy, and I've already mentioned it, but I really think it's crucial to point this out.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's all masculine with no feminine balance.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: He has no peace, no inner stillness.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's just trying to grab at power sources because deep down he is afraid of nonexistence.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: He's terrified that he is only his form.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: So he's willing to destroy and kill and maim, you know, something as pure as a unicorn to maintain it, even though he's not even in form at this point.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: He's a ghost.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: But it's a very masculine distortion to be preoccupied with the form.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I really don't think we are just the form.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we're just this body.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: But if we think we are, it's easy to see the thought pattern of I will slay another's form to make mine stronger.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the literal, you know, in Voldemort's case, the way he creates horcruxes.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: But I think we also see it in form-adjacent ways and so many heartless systems of governance and power.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: People tend to treat resources like a pie, as if there's only so much to go around, rather than approaching things with love instead of greed.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: And by this point in the story, I think it's very plausible to say that Voldemort is so far gone in his egoic, masculine dominated energy that he probably wouldn't be able to return.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and you know, this is a story we'll get into later, but the Star Wars series, I think Anakin slash Darth Vader's character is the most brilliant story I've seen that shows you how far someone can go and still return.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: Voldemort, I think, is kind of in between Darth Vader and Palpatine, if I were to place him, because Palpatine is just, he's in another universe, literally, another galaxy, far, far away from any kind of divinity.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I really do think that you can go really, really far because at your core, you're love.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like you are wholeness, you have everything you need within already.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I think you can go really far and come back, but I would not advise that you test it.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I would not advise that you waste too much time on external pursuits of power.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, in the case of Voldemort with these horcruxes, he's split his soul so much that hearing his soul speak would be extremely hard, if not impossible, at this point.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why, you know, him slaying the unicorn doesn't fill him with grief.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: It just expresses his greed to take with no thought for the harm that he does.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He just, like I said, he's just blind action.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: And that brings us into the personal mirror here, which I will kind of be building on from last episodes with the mirror of Iracy part one, where I got into what I would see in the mirror.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: So again, if you haven't listened to that, please go listen.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: But, dear listeners, I want to reassure you from the start here.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm happy to say I've never slayed a unicorn.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: But I have split myself into pieces.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: I have forgotten my wholeness and did things that went against my divine nature, because I don't think that this scene is just about slaying other people, other, you know, energy that is unicorn-like.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can also redirect it inward and ask yourself, when have I slayed my inner unicorn?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: When have I kind of fed off my own life force, you know, like against doing things that I knew I shouldn't do, right?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like self-betrayal, that's a really good way to slay your inner unicorn.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, it was never violence, but it was loneliness-based.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: Blood doesn't have to be literal blood.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: It can be, you know, like I said, consuming your life force.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I really do believe that self-betrayal is its own kind of violence.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Betraying others for gratification, obviously, is violence.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: Abandoning your own divine nature to belong somewhere that fractures you is violence.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I was very good at self-betrayal for years, especially in romantic relationships.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because there was a time, like I said in the last episode with the mirror of Erasid, that all I saw was another woman beside me in the mirror.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: All I saw was achieving that external, because that's still an external thing.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's still I need a woman to tell me, Jess, you're enough.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Jess, you're okay.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Jess, you you know, you're you're worthy, right?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: So for me it was I will figure out how to be what you want me to be, and betray what I want to, you know, be what you want me to be.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I did.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there was a talk show where I heard once said that if you have to lose who you are to be part of a couple, the cost is too high, and that was something I was really, really good at.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, the inner unicorn in me has taken a lot of beatings over the years, and I really do think if you do it long enough, your life can become a half-life and a curse life, because you will eventually destroy the purity and the magic inside.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: You you will start to forget who you are.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I think again, like we talked about with Balto, the white wolf symbol.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: I do think that the feminine energy is extremely compassionate and loving.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've experienced that on my road to healing.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can always return.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: I do think there comes a point where it becomes very difficult.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I do think you have a lot more time than you might think you have.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: When you're in the the cyclone of unicorn slaying within, I don't know a better way to phrase that.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: This is all just coming off the top of my head at the moment, but I think when you're in the the thick of that energy, it can feel like you are stuck.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you're stuck.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think it becomes exc well, it does become excruciatingly painful, but I think you can always return.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a lot to make it so you can't.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: It takes a lot of practicing outside of yourself and outsourcing your power to make it so you can't return.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: So even though that can be dark, I want you to take comfort in the fact that I don't really think you're as if you're experiencing this right now and you have felt the pain of your inner unicorn being slayed, it's not too late to turn back.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it starts with small things, it starts with just looking within and and asking, you know, what do I need?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: What would fulfill me?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: And you'll know, like you'll get an answer if you really ask with sincerity.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: The divine will meet you and it will tell you, you know, it could be something that you really love to do that you gave up doing, or it can be as simple.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it can, you know, start really, really simply because your mind is gonna be like, well, you created this entire pattern of self-betrayal and you've been violating your inner unicorn for years and you can't come back from that.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Look at all the wrong turns you made.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And the miracle is, and I really do use the word miracle because I see it this way, and not in religious terms, just in a sense of awe, is that a knot can feel so tight, but sometimes it's not about loosening the knot right away.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's just about not pulling on the string so it tightens more.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: That can be the first step.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of amazing when you stop pulling on the string, the knot can actually start to loosen and unravel without you having to even pull it apart because it's not about being aggressive, it's it's being gentle, you know.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're we can be so hard on ourselves.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, I used to be and still can be from time to time, but not as bad as I used to be, like so hard on myself.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I think sometimes the first big step is just to stop strengthening the knot, just let the thread unravel, just and do basic things, just like take care of your sleep, your hygiene, cook for yourself, get outside, go exercise.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Color.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Coloring's amazing.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know about you, but I love to color.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's so many things you can do that are basic things that will bring you back from the brink of where it feels like you've made too many wrong turns.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: You really haven't.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's your mind.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's the program, that's the habit, but you really haven't gone too far.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm speaking as someone like when I do this podcast, Divine Listeners, I want you to know I'm not speaking from the top of a mountain, being like, do this, do that.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: This is how you heal.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm, you know, a guru of healing.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: I've gone beyond this.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there is days that I'm still in this, like, feeling.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: I get this feeling sometimes.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that I'm, you know, on top of a mountain speaking down to you.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: I want to speak with you.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I'm in it with you.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I understand the pain, believe me.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: I understand the pain.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I know it can feel overwhelming and all-consuming, but I promise you that there are ways to return if you just look within and ask and take very, very simple, gentle, loving actions to yourself.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: And if you do that enough, that whole structure you built, it will be torn down over time.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's not going to happen overnight, it's not a quick fix.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: But you take a stone here and a stone there and a stone there, and you put it in a new place, and you build something real within, and it shifts.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like the energy just shifts.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I want you to take that away from the personal mirror here, that you can always return.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: And to get into the divine dialogue questions today, there's a few here.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to think for me about a time that you did something wrong, but not by the law or society's estimation, just your own internal compass.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is the important thing.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about breaking rules of society.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about I did something wrong that my church told me not to do, I did something wrong that my parents told me not to do, I did something wrong that my boss told me.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care about that.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm talking about internally.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: And if you listen, you you can hear that voice.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: What was your internal compass?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what did you do that felt like self-betrayal?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Did you feel yourself fragment inside?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: How did you come back together after such an event?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: And where in your life are you tempted to siphon power from something outside of you instead of returning to the living source within?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think that last question is the most important because it will tell you where you have most deeply forgotten yourself.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Where does your energy tend to go outwardly instead of you trying to cultivate it inside?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: So that's some heavy stuff for a very brief scene in the forest with a unicorn, but I think it's very, very crucial.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: And just in closing, divine listeners, I want to thank you for tuning in to this fourth episode of the Divine Dialogue Podcast on the Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone series.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: We only have two more left.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: We have the Devil's Snare episode, which will be next Friday, and then after that, the Mirror of Aracid Part 2, the Friday after that, and then at the end, I think of I don't know if I already revealed this on another episode, actually, but at the end of the Mirror of Aresid part two, I will tell you where we are going next.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I have my content plan quite far out for the rest of 2026.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: But if you have any suggestions for scenes, please share them.
• 34:24
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• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Send it to somebody who enjoys depth and is looking for a way to, I guess, watch movies with a newfound perspective and you know experience some inner healing.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because I really think that stories are beautiful reflections that way.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they don't challenge us in a way that feels threatening to the ego because if someone comes up to you and says, Hey, you need to make this change and that change, then it can feel off-putting and you don't want to listen.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: But when you listen to a story and you see yourself in a character, it's a very brilliant creative way to bypass the ego, and the message can get through to your soul that I think is always listening.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So until next time, divine listeners, remember the unicorn is within all of us, as is the temptation to slay it.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Stay true to yourself and check within every day for guidance and direction, and I will see you next Friday.