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3 & Out - DJ Moore traded to Bills, Cowboys interested in Maxx Crosby, NFL Pre-free agency · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff Three
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Speaker 1: and Out Podcast? How are we doing today? Probably not
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Speaker 1: as good as the Bills who just landed themselves a
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Speaker 1: wide receiver. The Bears ship DJ Moore to Buffalo. We
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Speaker 1: will discuss the trade. I told you yesterday, I said,
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Speaker 1: get ready, probably get another one, and we did. Max
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Speaker 1: Crosby is a story that just won't go away. Cam Jordan,
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Speaker 1: legendary Saints player is going to be a free agent.
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Speaker 1: It's Fugazi Friday. So I saw something on the internet
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Speaker 1: answered here on the show. Other than that, yeah, everyone
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Speaker 1: get fired up for the weekend. Hopefully you guys are
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Speaker 1: we had a big week we had on Derek Carr
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Speaker 1: a couple days ago. He was really good. We reacted
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Speaker 1: yesterday to the Chiefs trade, We'll react today to another trade,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure next week we'll have a bunch more trades.
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Speaker 1: So we got free agency right around the corner. All
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Speaker 1: I can say is, buckle up, let's talk some football.
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Speaker 1: One pet peeve of mine before we dive into the
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Speaker 1: nitty gritty is I saw a lot of this on
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Speaker 1: the internet today. They gave a a second round pick
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Speaker 1: for DJ Moore. You see this all the time, you
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Speaker 1: see it with first round picks. You guys realize, I
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Speaker 1: know you guys do, But do some people not realize
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Speaker 1: that they're not all created equal? Because if I told
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Speaker 1: you that the Rams had traded pick thirteen for Trent
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Speaker 1: McDuffie instead of pick twenty nine for Trent McDuffie, you'd
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Speaker 1: be like, God, that's a lot pick thirteen Because pick
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Speaker 1: thirteen is worth what two pick twenty nine? So not
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Speaker 1: all picks in a round are created equal clearly, so
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills trading pick sixty for DJ Moore might
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Speaker 1: as well be a third round pick. I saw so
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Speaker 1: much of this today, as like, god, that is a lot. Well,
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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, for example, have the Washington Commander's second
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Speaker 1: round pick. Well, guess what happened last year? The Commanders sucked?
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Speaker 1: So what happened to the Texans? They got picked thirty seven,
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Speaker 1: also happens to be in the second round. What pick
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Speaker 1: would you rather have? My point is when we see
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Speaker 1: generic traded for a couple first round picks, traded for
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Speaker 1: a couple second round picks, that looks great on paper,
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Speaker 1: but where do those picks actually come in the round? Well,
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Speaker 1: right now, unlike when a trade happens in camp or
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Speaker 1: during the season, we don't know where they're gonna fall.
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Speaker 1: They traded pick sixty for DJ Moore a team, let's
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Speaker 1: face it. And the thing I appreciate about the Bills,
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Speaker 1: and I would imagine Brandon Bean feels this is like,
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Speaker 1: is there a team next year with more pressure on
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Speaker 1: them than the Buffalo Bills? Joe Brady Josh Allen, the
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Speaker 1: Bills overall operation. How many teams in the league could
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Speaker 1: say with a straight face, if we're not in the
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Speaker 1: AFC or NFC championship game, it is a complete failure.
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Speaker 1: The Rams, I mean, you'd say the Chiefs, but I mean,
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Speaker 1: we got to see Mahomes health, the Ravens. The Ravens
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Speaker 1: just missed the playoffs. Maybe the Packers if Micah and
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Speaker 1: all those guys are healthy. I want to see what
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Speaker 1: happens this offseason with the Eagles. Like, it's not that
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Speaker 1: long of the list, it's I wouldn't even say Seattle.
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Speaker 1: If you tell me Seattle makes the playoffs again and
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Speaker 1: losing the second round and be like, that's an incredible
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Speaker 1: two year run by Mike McDonald. The Bills are in
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl or bust these next couple of years in
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's prime. That's why they fired their coach, That's
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Speaker 1: why they elevated the offensive coordinator. They're trying to take
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Speaker 1: that next step, and that next step is simply making
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Speaker 1: it to the big game, something that has eluded them
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Speaker 1: for a long long time. Obviously, they've never won it.
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Speaker 1: I mean they lost four straight, which I saw this
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Speaker 1: clip of Trent Williams saying that he would rather not
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Speaker 1: lose before the Super Bowl than go to who the
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and loose. He said, it's the worst feeling
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Speaker 1: he's ever had in his entire life. And they haven't
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Speaker 1: even got the opportunity because they haven't got there. But
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Speaker 1: my point is, I can't even imagine what it was
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Speaker 1: like like to be like a twenty eight year old
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Speaker 1: Bills fan back in the early nineties. You just go
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Speaker 1: to every Super Bowl and loose. But I like this
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Speaker 1: trade for the Bills. They need wide receiver help. I mean,
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Speaker 1: their unit's not great, but their offense actually is pretty good,
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Speaker 1: and it's been statistically one of the best offense in
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Speaker 1: the league for several years now. A huge reason for
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Speaker 1: that is they probably have the best player in the
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Speaker 1: league at quarterback, Cook, their running back is a stud.
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Speaker 1: They got multiple tight ends. Khalil Shaki is probably one
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Speaker 1: of the more underrated players in the league. Joe Brady
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Speaker 1: talked about it like Joe Brady was the guy. And
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Speaker 1: I heard this at the combine, pounding the table for
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Speaker 1: Keon Coleman. So when the owner said at that press
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Speaker 1: conference that Keon Coleman was a coaches pick. It was
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Speaker 1: Joe Brady's pick, or at least he was one of
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Speaker 1: the guys leading the charge to make that pick. So
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Speaker 1: to me, that would be a positive for Kemp. I
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Speaker 1: would expect him to have a good season because that
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Speaker 1: guy is gonna coach him hard and be invested in
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Speaker 1: him having success. And then you immediately insert a guy
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Speaker 1: who is proven that he can get a thousand yards
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Speaker 1: year after year with random quarterbacks. What do you think
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Speaker 1: it's gonna look like with Josh Allen? So? Is he
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Speaker 1: losing a step? Is he as good as he was
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Speaker 1: four years ago? Probably not, But you're telling me Dj
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Speaker 1: Moore can't catch eighty or ninety balls for the Buffalo Bills.
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Speaker 1: He's proven he can play in cold weather. I mean,
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Speaker 1: two years ago on an awful Bears team he almost
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Speaker 1: caught a hundred balls, and last year on the Bears
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Speaker 1: their first two their first two picks were Lovelin, who
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Speaker 1: essentially is a wide receiver and he's elite, and Luther Burton,
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Speaker 1: who clearly Ben Johnson loves. I mean, those are two
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Speaker 1: picks that had Ben Johnson's fingerprints written all over, so
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Speaker 1: he was kind of getting phased out. They need defensive help,
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Speaker 1: and now the Bears have two picks at the end
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Speaker 1: of the second round. I would say if Drew Dolman
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Speaker 1: hadn't retired, they would probably just use some of this
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Speaker 1: amo to go get Max Crosby. Now, with the center missing,
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Speaker 1: it probably makes things a little more complicated, but I
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Speaker 1: think this is a no brainer move for the Bills.
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Speaker 1: What else makes you comfortable too? Where you know, like
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Speaker 1: when you some of you guys that work in different companies,
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Speaker 1: when you go, hey, we just hired this guy. You
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Speaker 1: know my boss used to work with him at this
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Speaker 1: other company. We know him well, he's awesome. I see
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Speaker 1: at the Volume we have a kick ass sales team. Well,
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Speaker 1: our main sales guy, the head Hancho Dane used to
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Speaker 1: work at Barstool. Guess where. He took a lot of
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Speaker 1: sales guys from people that work for him at Barstool.
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Speaker 1: Why he knows them. They can close, they can crush
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Speaker 1: and what has happened? They crush it. You work with
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Speaker 1: people that you've already worked with can make the transition
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Speaker 1: much smoother, especially when they're talented. I don't care what
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Speaker 1: bases and you're in. Joe Brady has coached DJ Moore
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Speaker 1: before when they were in Carolina. So he not only
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Speaker 1: knows the player, he knows the human being. So when
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go god, they had to pay a little,
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Speaker 1: They really had to pay a lot. It's pick sixty
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Speaker 1: in a draft that is viewed as not great. The
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Speaker 1: chance for a team that is in Super Bowl or
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Speaker 1: bus mode is gonna get a player at pick sixty
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Speaker 1: who can help them get over the top or you know,
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Speaker 1: like a starting, high end guy. Historic percentages would be
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Speaker 1: like less than twenty percent. Now doesn't mean you can't
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Speaker 1: find elite players with that pick. The Bears could find
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Speaker 1: a guy within five years. We go god, that was
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Speaker 1: a hell of a pick. But the Bills are trying
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Speaker 1: to win in twenty twenty six and DJ Moore gives
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Speaker 1: them a chance to win in twenty and twenty six.
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Speaker 1: So I like this move a lot. I love the
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Speaker 1: amount of teams in the NFL. We know the Eagles
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Speaker 1: always do this, the Rams clearly do this, The Bills
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Speaker 1: are now doing this. You know, the Chiefs historically are
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Speaker 1: always really aggressive. You know, Sean Payton and Denver is
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Speaker 1: going to maintain his aggressive nature. You know the Giants
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Speaker 1: were sniffing around on Mcduffeekus Harbaugh. It's not like he's
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Speaker 1: trying to lose. You just have so many teams in
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Speaker 1: the NFL who just think, like, we're playing to win
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Speaker 1: this year. What can we do to get aggressive and win?
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Speaker 1: And I saw Colin talking about this, how picks can
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Speaker 1: be a little overrated. I don't think they're necessarily overrated,
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Speaker 1: but I think we overvalue the likelihood of the picks
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Speaker 1: working out. When they do, they're incredible because if you
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Speaker 1: hit on a second or third round pick, you get
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Speaker 1: a starter, a Pro Bowl guy who doesn't make much money.
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Speaker 1: It's an economic windfall to your salary cap. But we
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Speaker 1: all know, we all follow different teams that go I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty fired up for this second round pick. Love watching
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Speaker 1: him in college, who's an All American, and then he's
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Speaker 1: not that good, and then a couple of years later
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Speaker 1: he's not even on the team. It literally happens every
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Speaker 1: single year, over and over and over. I actually learned
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Speaker 1: this when I left the NFL because I was going
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Speaker 1: to these training camps and I was just talking about
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Speaker 1: these guys and getting excited and trying to hype. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's part of the hype machine. And I go to
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Speaker 1: nine or practice, I go to Raider practice. But god,
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Speaker 1: I love this fourth round pick. I'd love this third
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Speaker 1: round pick. I mean, everyone talks about the first round pick,
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Speaker 1: but you know, you talk about the second round pick,
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Speaker 1: the fifth round pick. And then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: by the end of training camp, an undrafted free agents
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Speaker 1: beat that guy out and he's taking that guy spot,
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Speaker 1: and that fourth round pick gets cutting's on the practice
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Speaker 1: squad in three undrafted free agents that no one ever
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Speaker 1: talked about make the fifties three man roster. Happens every
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Speaker 1: year with every team. So anyone criticizing giving up a
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Speaker 1: second round pick, well, yeah, if they would have given
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Speaker 1: up pick thirty five for Dj Moore, I've been like,
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Speaker 1: that's a tat aggressive. You probably could have just got
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Speaker 1: some equivalent of Dj Moore at pick thirty five, four
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Speaker 1: way cheaper potentially, And maybe Brandon Bean would say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we tried it last year with Keon Coleman. How'd that
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Speaker 1: work out. It'll be like, yeah, good point, so easy
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Speaker 1: trade and for the Bears, totally understandable. I would imagine
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Speaker 1: this is the best offer they could have got. Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think that they just sent him to it
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Speaker 1: The best team possible. I think a lot of teams
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Speaker 1: were probably interested in DJ Moore in the third round range,
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Speaker 1: and a team got picked sixty instead of pick seventy five,
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Speaker 1: and they said, we'll take it because his role on
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Speaker 1: this team for whatever reason, his rapport with Kleb is
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Speaker 1: not great. And they've invested heavily in other players at
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Speaker 1: the skill group. Right, their tight end has a chance
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Speaker 1: to be elite. They drafted Rome in the top ten.
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Speaker 1: Now there's a ton of pressure on him to be
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Speaker 1: really good. There's a ton of pressure on him to
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Speaker 1: kind of step up and be a number one wide receiver,
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Speaker 1: which is gonna be difficult. There's gonna be a ton
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Speaker 1: of pressure on Luther Burned and listen, you show shot
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Speaker 1: signs last year. He he's there's no disputing his talent
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Speaker 1: and physical gifts. But it's like, hey man, you're gonna
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Speaker 1: be a full time starter now you and Rome are
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Speaker 1: gonna carry the load. You and Rome ideally, like can
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Speaker 1: you guys bring us? You know, Rome, can you catch
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Speaker 1: ninety balls? And can Luther? Can you catch seventy five? Like?
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Speaker 1: And teams. The other thing is it's not even just
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Speaker 1: about the production. It's like every game you go into.
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Speaker 1: In terms of our outside wide receivers, the teams are
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Speaker 1: game planning to shut you guys down right. The corn
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Speaker 1: the top corners, and the coverages are for you. And
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Speaker 1: that's part of the NFL. It's the way this business works.
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Speaker 1: So I have no issue with the Bears doing this.
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Speaker 1: This has been rumored and talked about for a long
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Speaker 1: time that you know DJ Moore, I would it be
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Speaker 1: Rome or DJ Moore? And Rome makes less. Robe still
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Speaker 1: has a high ceiling. But part of having a ceiling
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Speaker 1: is like there's the unknown. I can you hit it? Like?
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Speaker 1: We know what DJ Moore's good is and it's pretty solid, right,
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Speaker 1: is it elite? No? Can he be a ninety catch
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Speaker 1: guy next year for the Buffalo Bills? Was he gonna
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Speaker 1: be a ninety catch guy for the Chicago Bears? No?
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Speaker 1: And you get off the money, you free some cap space,
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Speaker 1: you add some picks. You need defensive help. So if
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Speaker 1: they don't get Max Crosby, I would imagine that they
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Speaker 1: use those couple late second round picks. Again, I think
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Speaker 1: it's like fifty seven and sixty on defensive players or center.
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Speaker 1: They also have a left tackle problem because they're left
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Speaker 1: tackle Tours Achilles. So the Bears, you know, in this
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Speaker 1: weird way, coming off this incredible season that was touched
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Speaker 1: by the football gods like the Angels carried them. Do you
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Speaker 1: have some question marks? Right center, left tackle, A bunch
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Speaker 1: of guys on defense. Pressure now on some of these
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Speaker 1: young wide receivers to take a jump and to be
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Speaker 1: like the load guys. So I'm excited again, I said
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Speaker 1: yesterday Chiefs rams felt like a win win. This feels
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Speaker 1: like a no brainer move for the Bills, And I
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Speaker 1: would imagine Chicago had been like, we need to get
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Speaker 1: off his money, and this was the highest pick we'd get.
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Speaker 1: So we took it right. And we have to see
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Speaker 1: who they draft, but totally understand where they're coming from
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Speaker 1: as well. Some other stories, some rumors about the Cowboys
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Speaker 1: sniffing around on Max Crosby. You know, they got two
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Speaker 1: first round picks twelve and twenty. To me, Max Crosby
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Speaker 1: is a player if you think you're a player away, right,
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Speaker 1: So if you think you're a player away, like if
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Speaker 1: you told me the Bills gave two first round picks
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Speaker 1: for Max Crosby, and listen, I'm not talking financially. I
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Speaker 1: don't think it would work right now, I bet I
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Speaker 1: totally get it. If you told me the Broncos the
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Speaker 1: Raiders wouldn't make a trade with them, but the Ravens
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Speaker 1: the Eagles, I get it right to me. The Cowboys
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Speaker 1: like guy, you might be a step away from being
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Speaker 1: two steps away. Let's just take a deep breath. Let's
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Speaker 1: just sign some guys in free agency. Use your picks
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Speaker 1: twelve and twenty, draft some more defensive guys. You drafted
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Speaker 1: pretty well historically. I don't think the Cowboys should be
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Speaker 1: in the Max Crosby business, so if I was them,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's been some rumors about Trey Hendrickson that
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Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I do think Trey's market's
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Speaker 1: gonna be kind of unique, coming off a year who's injured,
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Speaker 1: a little older, but I mean the previous two years
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Speaker 1: he was seventeen and a half sacks the season he's
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Speaker 1: fucking huge. He's gonna have a fascinating market. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be probably one of the more
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Speaker 1: intriguing guys for all the good teams, and I think
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You know, you had a little bit of
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Speaker 1: advantage with the state income tax. You know, Jerry Kind
15:47
Speaker 1: of mentioned this in his h I almost called it
15:50
Speaker 1: the win of Bago. It's like, it's like this RV
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Speaker 1: that he parks right between the Downtown Marriott and the
15:58
Speaker 1: JW Marriott in Indianapolis. It has the star on each side.
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Speaker 1: It's just pretty badass. I don't think he sleeps in it.
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Speaker 1: I would imagine that Jerry sleeps in the JW. But
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Speaker 1: it's definitely nice enough when you see that when the
16:12
Speaker 1: local reporters go in there to interview Jerry, you could
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Speaker 1: sleep and live in there. So maybe he does, but
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Speaker 1: I just appreciate. I would doubt Jerry drives that up
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Speaker 1: from Dallas. Maybe as someone else drive it. He Pj's up.
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Speaker 1: But Jerry was pretty cocky, acted like he was gonna
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Speaker 1: spend some money. So we're gonna find out Cam Jordan
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Speaker 1: will be a free agent that The stat is just incredible.
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Speaker 1: He's played for fifteen years in the NFL defensive lineman.
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Speaker 1: He's missed two games in his entire career. You know,
16:46
Speaker 1: when we throw out the word durability sometimes and I
16:49
Speaker 1: think we give some guys benefit of doubt. I think
16:52
Speaker 1: it's borderline impossible to be more durable than Cam Jordan
16:55
Speaker 1: has been And you can't convince me playing in the
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Speaker 1: trenches that the amount of games that some guys that
17:04
Speaker 1: maybe didn't have his toughness, didn't have his pain tolerance
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Speaker 1: would have not been able to go two games and
17:11
Speaker 1: fifteen years to meet these type guys, you know, Kalais Campbell.
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Speaker 1: I'm not paralleling their careers. I'm just saying high character,
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Speaker 1: winning players, productive players, durable, tough players, guys that bring
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Speaker 1: intangible stuff. I could see a good team given this
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Speaker 1: guy a little bit of an overpay to bring him
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Speaker 1: into unit, to bring him into a defense, to kind
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Speaker 1: of uplift the group. So I think Cam Jordan's gonna
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Speaker 1: be an interesting guy and listen part of the NFL is.
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Speaker 1: I talked to Sherman about this at the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: It's like it's hard, man. Sometimes you gotta let go
17:47
Speaker 1: of like legendary veteran players after like seven or eight years.
17:51
Speaker 1: Who knows, the Chiefs might not re sign Travis Kelcey.
17:55
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey will go down as one of the greatest
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Speaker 1: players in the league history. He was Mahomes right hand
18:01
Speaker 1: guy for three Super Bowls. He will have his number retired.
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Speaker 1: He will get a statue at Arrowhead or wherever the
18:08
Speaker 1: fuck they build their stadium in Kansas or Missouri or
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Speaker 1: somewhere in the vicinity of that area. And if you
18:14
Speaker 1: told me that, like, yeah, they didn't really offer him
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Speaker 1: a contract, I'd understand. It's part of the way the
18:19
Speaker 1: world works in the industry of football. So I don't
18:22
Speaker 1: think it's weird at all. Now there's some rumors that
18:24
Speaker 1: maybe the Saints could resign them. I think sometimes it's time, man,
18:29
Speaker 1: It's just time to pivot and go into different direction.
18:31
Speaker 1: You get new coaches, you get new ideas. I just
18:34
Speaker 1: think this comes with the territory. You could argue he's
18:38
Speaker 1: such an anomaly. How many guys in the Internet era
18:44
Speaker 1: have played for a team for fifteen years, non quarterback,
18:48
Speaker 1: non like Eli, Brady, Rogers, Big Ben. I'm talking position players.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen. So to me,
19:01
Speaker 1: Cam Jordan had tipped to you two games and fifteen years,
19:05
Speaker 1: what a badass. As we go into free agency, which
19:09
Speaker 1: is gonna kick off here in a couple of days,
19:12
Speaker 1: you do have to be comfortable. You're getting taxed, you're
19:16
Speaker 1: paying a premium to buy a guy, and all these
19:20
Speaker 1: free agents you know Alt Pierce excellent season last year,
19:25
Speaker 1: looks like a very talented player who's trending. You're not
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Speaker 1: buying Jerry Rice or Randy Moss in his prime. But
19:31
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay a guy a ton of guaranteed money.
19:35
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna overpay, but that is more money
19:39
Speaker 1: than their current team was willing to pay him. Think
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Speaker 1: about that, the team that drafted them. And more than
19:44
Speaker 1: likely a lot of these guys were like Lenderbaum and
19:46
Speaker 1: a Van Pierce were highly valued by Eric to Costain,
19:50
Speaker 1: Chris Vallard. They like those players, but it's a business.
19:55
Speaker 1: They had a number, they weren't They didn't think it
19:57
Speaker 1: was worth it. Now could they be wrong. Time will tell,
20:01
Speaker 1: But we saw last year and sometimes you can't afford
20:03
Speaker 1: to keep guys like Milton Williams. The Eagles couldn't keep
20:06
Speaker 1: him on the team, but the Patriots gave him like
20:09
Speaker 1: twenty six million dollars a year, and people thought at
20:12
Speaker 1: the time, like, holy moully, that's a lot of money
20:15
Speaker 1: for a guy that's never had fifty percent of the
20:17
Speaker 1: snap counts for his own, you know, during the course
20:20
Speaker 1: of his NFL career. But the reality is, even if
20:25
Speaker 1: you overpay a guy and he's not gonna be a
20:27
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl level player. If he's a really good player
20:30
Speaker 1: and a productive player for you, you're gonna feel good
20:33
Speaker 1: about it because you don't have to get a pick
20:35
Speaker 1: for it. You just acquire the player for money. So
20:37
Speaker 1: I think the key with free agency and the good
20:40
Speaker 1: teams do this. And we talked to Schneider and Howie
20:43
Speaker 1: about this is you locate one, two or three guys.
20:48
Speaker 1: You're not throwing a wide net. Now. Your personnel department
20:52
Speaker 1: has watched every guy. I love when I see a
20:56
Speaker 1: report of so and so. Team is monitoring the Tyler
21:05
Speaker 1: Lindenbaum situation. We are monitoring the Khalil Mack situation. You
21:11
Speaker 1: guys realize all thirty two teams jobs are to monitor
21:16
Speaker 1: all these situations. It'd be like if someone was covering
21:19
Speaker 1: me like an NFL team. It's like Middelkoff is monitoring
21:24
Speaker 1: every story right now that is out there in the
21:27
Speaker 1: National Football League and trying to figure out what he's
21:30
Speaker 1: going to talk about on today's podcast. Like, no shit,
21:33
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Part of your job as a
21:36
Speaker 1: GM is to literally monitor every player that's in the league,
21:41
Speaker 1: current player on each individual roster. You have everyone graded,
21:45
Speaker 1: all the free agents, all the guys that might get cut,
21:48
Speaker 1: all the draft picks. It's like when someone asked me, like,
21:51
Speaker 1: do you have to evaluate all the draft picks. Yeah,
21:54
Speaker 1: that's part of the deal. You need draft grades and
21:57
Speaker 1: work done on all the players in the draft. Obviously,
22:01
Speaker 1: if you have seven or eight picks, you're not gonna
22:04
Speaker 1: get all the guys. But what happens in a couple
22:07
Speaker 1: of years you might trade for one of those players.
22:09
Speaker 1: Those guys become free agents, those guys get cut, they
22:12
Speaker 1: become available, so you have to have work done on them.
22:17
Speaker 1: It always cracks me up, like so and so team
22:20
Speaker 1: is monitoring the situation on Jalen Phillips. I would hope
22:26
Speaker 1: that every GM in the league monitoring the situation, even
22:30
Speaker 1: the ones without the cap space, because you'd never freaking know.
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Speaker 1: Fugazi Friday. I truly believe this is one of the
24:33
Speaker 1: greatest clips I've ever seen on the Internet, and it
24:36
Speaker 1: was the McDonald's CEO. His name is Chris's long last name,
24:41
Speaker 1: very difficult to say. He looks like a guy that
24:46
Speaker 1: takes health very seriously. Jawline skinny, looks like he runs
24:50
Speaker 1: or pelotons. Probably a couple smoothies during the day, intermediate
24:55
Speaker 1: intermediate fasting, a lot of greens, protein heavy, not many
25:00
Speaker 1: carbs like you can just view some individuals, especially as
25:03
Speaker 1: they get older and go that guy takes hell seriously. Well,
25:07
Speaker 1: he's the CEO of McDonald's, which obviously is the largest
25:13
Speaker 1: chain restaurant I think in the history of the world
25:16
Speaker 1: and currently the biggest in the world. Right, They do
25:20
Speaker 1: a lot of money worth of business. I think billions
25:22
Speaker 1: upon billions of dollars of revenue. And i'd be lying.
25:25
Speaker 1: I mean, I got about for McDonald's coffee is a
25:29
Speaker 1: little weak, though it tastes pretty good. Definitely don't hate
25:34
Speaker 1: a good mcflurry or two, and every once in a
25:36
Speaker 1: while you're starving cheeseburger and bad. He did a video
25:40
Speaker 1: of like I think it's called the Arch. I've never
25:43
Speaker 1: had it, but it's probably somewhat in the uh in
25:48
Speaker 1: the big Mac kind of world, I would guess, And
25:55
Speaker 1: he was doing like a taste test slash to promote it,
25:59
Speaker 1: and he he put it to his mouth. He could
26:03
Speaker 1: barely bite the burger, and I was just thinking, like
26:07
Speaker 1: I googled it today. On average the last couple of years,
26:10
Speaker 1: he's made like eighteen nineteen million dollars. So this is
26:13
Speaker 1: a very lucrative position being the CEO of McDonald's. And
26:16
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people all over the world
26:20
Speaker 1: that are in positions at a job at a company
26:23
Speaker 1: that don't believe in the company, that don't associate with
26:27
Speaker 1: the company outside of work. If I've known people in
26:30
Speaker 1: the beer industry that don't drink, so this is not
26:34
Speaker 1: like something that doesn't happen. But if you're gonna put
26:40
Speaker 1: a guy on camera to eat a cheeseburger from McDonald's
26:44
Speaker 1: and make it look like the burger has the plague
26:47
Speaker 1: in it, and he could barely touch it because he
26:50
Speaker 1: knows there's a lot of stuff in that burger that
26:52
Speaker 1: are bad for his body. Someone probably should have thought,
26:56
Speaker 1: let's get a chevier guy that is just gonna slam
26:59
Speaker 1: this burger, hammer some fries and wash it down with
27:02
Speaker 1: a coke, And that was not what they did. And
27:05
Speaker 1: then a burger King, Wendy's, all these other companies came
27:09
Speaker 1: out with their CEOs doing it and making fun of it,
27:11
Speaker 1: attacking burgers. But I just think sometimes I could imagine
27:17
Speaker 1: he was excited, he wanted to do it, and then
27:20
Speaker 1: when the light went on and rubber was meeting the road,
27:23
Speaker 1: he looked at that burger and thought to himself, I
27:26
Speaker 1: haven't eat McDonald's in years, potentially decades, maybe ever. I
27:31
Speaker 1: just work here. I make a lot of money and
27:33
Speaker 1: we're very profitable. But it was fucking hilarious. So if
27:38
Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, just type in CEO McDonald's East,
27:41
Speaker 1: the Big Arch and you know it right away when
27:44
Speaker 1: you see a guy. Because if you see a guy
27:46
Speaker 1: and he's super skinny, unless he's like Chad Johnson, you're like,
27:49
Speaker 1: you don't eat McDonald's bro and this guy definitely doesn't
27:53
Speaker 1: and he was caught red handed. Okay, let's go mailbag
27:56
Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff is the Instagram, Fire
28:00
Speaker 1: into those dms and get your questions answered here on
28:04
Speaker 1: the podcast. This is a Bears question. Can you explain
28:08
Speaker 1: the dj more trade from the Bear's perspective? If tied
28:11
Speaker 1: to Cross be okay, But otherwise why would you give
28:15
Speaker 1: up a top wide receiver? He said, a number one
28:18
Speaker 1: wide receiver that made some of the biggest catches in
28:20
Speaker 1: recent Bears history. When Rome and Burden aren't close to
28:24
Speaker 1: being number ones yet keep up the good work part
28:28
Speaker 1: of the business. And we touch on this a little bit.
28:30
Speaker 1: Is projecting right? Is projecting guys? Rolls? Guys step up?
28:36
Speaker 1: I do think they're pretty equipped with two tight ends
28:39
Speaker 1: to be take a little bit no pun intended of
28:43
Speaker 1: the Burden off Luther Burden and even Rome that I
28:48
Speaker 1: think at a perfect world levelin have like ninety catches.
28:51
Speaker 1: I think Comet in this offense could have like fifty,
28:54
Speaker 1: So you could have one hundred and thirty hundred and
28:57
Speaker 1: forty hundred and fifty catches between your two tight ends.
29:00
Speaker 1: And if both the wide receivers can just I don't
29:04
Speaker 1: want to say be complimentary players, but give you one
29:08
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty catches between the two of them. So
29:10
Speaker 1: maybe Rome gives you eighty the other guy gives you sixty.
29:13
Speaker 1: I guess that math would be a little off and
29:15
Speaker 1: be more like eighty five sixty five something like that.
29:18
Speaker 1: You'd be in pretty good shape. But that's part of drafting,
29:21
Speaker 1: like it puts pressure on the guy, but you better
29:23
Speaker 1: be right. And I think Ben Johnson's really high on
29:27
Speaker 1: luther In Lovelin, and clearly for them to okay this trade,
29:32
Speaker 1: they feel pretty good about Rome, and I think there's
29:35
Speaker 1: a ton of pressure on Rome to become You don't
29:39
Speaker 1: need Randy Moss or Jerry Rice. You could win a
29:43
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with two number twos, Like can they both
29:46
Speaker 1: just become like really good players? Like at the end
29:49
Speaker 1: of the day, the Bears did not were not a
29:53
Speaker 1: super Bowl team this year. And I mean they got
29:56
Speaker 1: farther than they probably should have with that bat of
29:58
Speaker 1: a defense. It wasn't I mean, the offense had weird spurts,
30:03
Speaker 1: but their defense was atrocious, which ironic because their defense
30:06
Speaker 1: actually played pretty good what was it against the Rams?
30:12
Speaker 1: But Yeah, I just think that part of the business.
30:18
Speaker 1: You got to make financial decisions. DJ makes a decent
30:22
Speaker 1: amount of money. The bills guaranteed more money that the
30:25
Speaker 1: Bears weren't going to do that. It probably factors in
30:29
Speaker 1: financially as much as it does the projection of the
30:32
Speaker 1: other wide receivers, which they're clearly doing. And that's also
30:37
Speaker 1: when you have a good coach. Do you know what
30:40
Speaker 1: the ultimate kind of theme is in the building. He'll
30:43
Speaker 1: figure it out. That's part of having Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan,
30:49
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, Ben Johnson. He'll figure it out. He'll get
30:54
Speaker 1: it done, He'll make something happen. He'll find someone if
30:59
Speaker 1: those guys can't. That's how you have to think, what
31:05
Speaker 1: up man? This is from Gilly. I want to know
31:10
Speaker 1: why the media is so obsessed with trying to push
31:12
Speaker 1: Max out of Vegas. Max and the Raiders have said
31:16
Speaker 1: multiple times it's not what they want, but every other
31:18
Speaker 1: day someone is starting a new rumor. It feels somewhat orchestrated.
31:23
Speaker 1: At this point. One of the best known pass to
31:26
Speaker 1: success in the NFL is getting a young quarterback and
31:31
Speaker 1: surrounding him with high end talent. Apparently except when it
31:35
Speaker 1: comes to the Raiders. The Patriots, Bears, and Commanders wouldn't
31:38
Speaker 1: have had the same success they did the last couple
31:40
Speaker 1: of years if they dumped veterans around their young quarterbacks.
31:45
Speaker 1: So why are the Raiders any different. In addition, the
31:49
Speaker 1: media says a trade him to a contender, Well, they'll
31:52
Speaker 1: get a pick in the high twenties, and then in
31:54
Speaker 1: the next segment they'll say they're only fifteen first round
31:58
Speaker 1: talents in this upcoming draft. I think it's bullshit. The
32:01
Speaker 1: media has taken it upon themselves to try and force this.
32:04
Speaker 1: They've tried their hardest to get them to trade the
32:08
Speaker 1: first pick as well. So what's the deal here? Sorry
32:11
Speaker 1: for the long question. As a Raider fan, it's frustrating
32:13
Speaker 1: seeing the NFL will try and constantly screw the Raiders.
32:16
Speaker 1: Is now Davis. I can give several examples, including the
32:20
Speaker 1: Gruden firing. Uh, the trading. The Raiders are not trading
32:25
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza to the Jets for fucking seven first round picks.
32:29
Speaker 1: They're not trading for Nando Mendos. They're gonna draft for
32:32
Speaker 1: Nanda Mendos. Slow time, not much going on, you know,
32:36
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, the Thunder and the Spurs can't carry segments,
32:40
Speaker 1: so you got Steven A. Collin Zion fat. You know,
32:44
Speaker 1: there's only so much going on, so you gotta manipulate stories.
32:49
Speaker 1: You gotta create angles, which is the business they're in.
32:52
Speaker 1: The Max thing, though, started with Jay Glazier at the
32:56
Speaker 1: late December, which the Raiders did the right thing. You're
33:00
Speaker 1: sitting down swing at the number one pick and you
33:03
Speaker 1: need knee surgery and it worked, and listen, it pissed
33:07
Speaker 1: Max off, which wouldn't you want him to be pissed?
33:12
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you want him to be mad? Right? So I
33:18
Speaker 1: I think they understand it. I think it's pretty clear
33:20
Speaker 1: that Max and Spytech have a good relationship. But I
33:24
Speaker 1: also think that the Raiders know in their division that
33:27
Speaker 1: they're not close to winning next year, that they are
33:30
Speaker 1: still a couple of years away, And what if in
33:35
Speaker 1: three years Max is not the same player. So if
33:38
Speaker 1: you can get two first round picks for him right now,
33:40
Speaker 1: when you're probably gonna win five or six games next year.
33:43
Speaker 1: Derek Carr came on the show and they made the playoffs.
33:46
Speaker 1: His third year with the Raiders. First year I was there,
33:50
Speaker 1: they started zero to ten and finished three and thirteen.
33:54
Speaker 1: It's not going to be great next year. And even
33:56
Speaker 1: if Max is there, like I saw Miles Garrett on
33:58
Speaker 1: the Browns, he's a better player at Max crowd, it
34:03
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, and their defense is pretty good. So I
34:09
Speaker 1: don't think I know you Raider fans get so offended
34:13
Speaker 1: by the media, and in fairness, they've been talking about
34:16
Speaker 1: you for a long time. Some of it most of
34:18
Speaker 1: it probably self inflicted, but that's neither here nor there.
34:22
Speaker 1: I do think there's validity to this one, and it
34:25
Speaker 1: started with Max, and I think some of these stories
34:29
Speaker 1: have come out, like you know, Max's Max areted looking around,
34:33
Speaker 1: he realized there might be greener pastures. I think he
34:36
Speaker 1: started changing his mindset because he's had time over the
34:39
Speaker 1: last couple of months to say, I do not want
34:41
Speaker 1: to be traded. I want to stay here. And I
34:43
Speaker 1: don't blame him, he just kind of I think he's
34:46
Speaker 1: letting it play out. And my guess is he's traded
34:50
Speaker 1: in the next three or four days, and I don't
34:52
Speaker 1: think that's a bad thing. I do think that's the
34:54
Speaker 1: right move for the Raiders, for the bag. So a
34:57
Speaker 1: bit tongue in cheek, but then a bit not as
35:00
Speaker 1: an international NFL and forty nine are fanatic who traveled
35:03
Speaker 1: from Australia to our last two forty nine or Super
35:07
Speaker 1: bowls Miami in Vegas. I was at them both too,
35:10
Speaker 1: not the games, but that week they were awesome, too great.
35:14
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone would complain if you
35:17
Speaker 1: put the Super Bowl in Vegas or Miami every single year.
35:21
Speaker 1: I support the league expanding abroad and can't wait for
35:24
Speaker 1: the Niners the Rams matchup down here. So here's the
35:27
Speaker 1: rant to anyone from the NFL who ever mentioned the
35:31
Speaker 1: term world champions about a Super Bowl win but now
35:36
Speaker 1: wines about flying around the world, they can shut the
35:40
Speaker 1: bleep up. I agree. I've always hated World champions, but
35:46
Speaker 1: now it might have a little more substance and validity
35:49
Speaker 1: behind it, Right, if you're truly gonna play all over
35:52
Speaker 1: the world, yeah, maybe our World champs. And I totally
35:57
Speaker 1: get it. For those of you that live internationally, if
36:00
Speaker 1: you live in some of these places in Europe, if
36:01
Speaker 1: you live in Mexico City, if you live in Australia,
36:04
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. And if you're a Niner fan, they're
36:06
Speaker 1: coming to Australia. I bet that game rocks mailbag moving
36:13
Speaker 1: to Pacifica or Half Moon Bay from Tampa Bay. Those
36:17
Speaker 1: are two coastal areas in the Bay area. Because my
36:22
Speaker 1: fiance got a promotion with her company based out of
36:25
Speaker 1: Palo Alto. I'm only going to be there for one
36:28
Speaker 1: and a half two years quote hopefully, and I'm still
36:31
Speaker 1: owning my home in Florida. I'm a Florida guy at heart,
36:34
Speaker 1: so I love surfing, duck hunting, spearfishing. Based off my
36:38
Speaker 1: knowledge of San fran area, I might hate it. I
36:41
Speaker 1: wanted to see what do you think I should do
36:45
Speaker 1: to make the most of my two year stint in California.
36:48
Speaker 1: I've never been in my life, and I know it's
36:50
Speaker 1: your home turf well, if you like to surf. Not
36:54
Speaker 1: a surf guy, right. The one thing I learned at
36:57
Speaker 1: cal Poly, which is in the middle of California, that
37:00
Speaker 1: most of us from northern California there's a culture. Anyone
37:03
Speaker 1: that went to school with people from the beaches in
37:06
Speaker 1: southern California or San Diego, there's a surf culture and
37:09
Speaker 1: they kind of fit that stereotype. Even though the surfing
37:13
Speaker 1: up in northern California is better, we have bigger waves.
37:18
Speaker 1: The problem is it's like the largest concentration I think
37:21
Speaker 1: besides like South Africa of great white sharks in the
37:24
Speaker 1: world and Mavericks, which is you know, can have like
37:28
Speaker 1: fifty seventy five foot waves breaks on a reef also
37:33
Speaker 1: as sharks everywhere. So I don't know if you're that good,
37:36
Speaker 1: but there is really good surfing up in that area.
37:40
Speaker 1: There's definitely duck hunting Inland, you know, close to where
37:43
Speaker 1: I grew up in closer to like the Central Valley.
37:47
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would just soak it in everyone
37:50
Speaker 1: in life. If you get the opportunity when you're young,
37:53
Speaker 1: should move to a place. Now it's gonna economically cost
37:56
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit. No, she's getting to pay raise,
37:58
Speaker 1: but she's gonna give a lot. Bat to California, somewhere
38:02
Speaker 1: where you just you're not comfortable, move to a state.
38:06
Speaker 1: I did this when I in my twenties to Philadelphia, uh,
38:09
Speaker 1: and it helped change my life. It put me in
38:11
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable situation because the older you get, the less
38:16
Speaker 1: likely you are going to be with change. So when
38:20
Speaker 1: you're young making some of these quote unquote force moves,
38:24
Speaker 1: obviously it's typically connected to a job is an incredible
38:28
Speaker 1: life experience, even if you don't think you have that
38:31
Speaker 1: much common with the people, or you just just take
38:34
Speaker 1: it in. I mean, if you've moved to half Moon Bay,
38:36
Speaker 1: it's on the fucking water in the Pacific Ocean. So
38:40
Speaker 1: now it's expensive. You know you're gonna you're gonna pay
38:42
Speaker 1: a lot. But just find a place to rent and
38:45
Speaker 1: just there's a million things to do. Uh Now, I
38:50
Speaker 1: don't know what specifically you want to do. I would
38:53
Speaker 1: it's not Northern California is not like Southern California or
38:57
Speaker 1: Florida where you just go hang out at the beach.
39:00
Speaker 1: You know, I'm born and raised probably hour fifteen minute
39:06
Speaker 1: from some of the beaches like Bedega Bay. You just
39:11
Speaker 1: Northern California is not a go to the beach and
39:13
Speaker 1: just lay there and look at the waters. It can
39:16
Speaker 1: be cold, it can be windy. The water is freezing cold,
39:21
Speaker 1: but it is cool. There are a ton of good
39:23
Speaker 1: places to eat in the city. You go to Lake Tahoe,
39:27
Speaker 1: you go to Yosemite. There are a lot of places
39:31
Speaker 1: to go. You could go down to the Pacific Highway
39:33
Speaker 1: and go to southern California, go to San Diego, I
39:35
Speaker 1: would definitely go to San Diego if I were you taking.
39:38
Speaker 1: That's more like beachy town. You go to the Central Coast,
39:42
Speaker 1: which is where I cal Pauly San Luis Obispo. But
39:46
Speaker 1: Pismo Beach is probably three and a half hours from
39:51
Speaker 1: you know, half Moon Bay. You can find enough to
39:55
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself, for sure. The show has been great lately
40:11
Speaker 1: with all the information from the combine. I have a
40:14
Speaker 1: mailbag question. I think it was the right move for
40:17
Speaker 1: the Colts to sign Daniel Jones to attack. He's been
40:20
Speaker 1: the best quarterback they've had since Rivers are luck and
40:22
Speaker 1: it seems like the coaches and players really like him. However,
40:25
Speaker 1: a ton of people online are saying they should have
40:27
Speaker 1: sign Kyler Murray. I don't really agree. The narrative seems
40:31
Speaker 1: to be that Kyler is a high level quarterback, but
40:33
Speaker 1: I can't remember that being the case. Has he ever
40:36
Speaker 1: been better than Jones? Both nineteen quarterbacks? I think Jones
40:40
Speaker 1: is the best in the class. What are your thoughts?
40:44
Speaker 1: I was I saw Peter Schrager tell I had the
40:48
Speaker 1: TV on, and he told McAfee that if you take
40:52
Speaker 1: he wanted to do something for TV at ESPN where
40:54
Speaker 1: you take five plays of Kyler Murray's career, and he
40:57
Speaker 1: could make the argument like, these are some of the
40:59
Speaker 1: best plays you'll ever see. And I remember when I
41:02
Speaker 1: first got hired at Fresno State and Pat Hill used
41:06
Speaker 1: to hate highlight tapes because it's like, anyone can make
41:10
Speaker 1: a highlight tape look like a future Division I player.
41:14
Speaker 1: Any guy in this draft could make a five play
41:17
Speaker 1: highlight tape that's gonna get drafted in the third day,
41:20
Speaker 1: that would look like a first rounder. You don't play
41:23
Speaker 1: highlight tape. You play football. So part of Kyler Murray's problem,
41:27
Speaker 1: no one ever disputed on an individual play basis, he
41:31
Speaker 1: could make one of the best plays that week in
41:33
Speaker 1: the National Football League and he's done it. But that's
41:37
Speaker 1: not football. Football is like every single series, every single half,
41:41
Speaker 1: every single week, doing it week in week out. Like
41:45
Speaker 1: if I had to have a player, if they're both healthy,
41:47
Speaker 1: I would rather have Daniel Jones one hundred percent. Kyler
41:51
Speaker 1: can't see now he's injured, and I just think he's
41:55
Speaker 1: a highlight player. The issue with Daniel Jones is he
41:59
Speaker 1: has a torn achilles. He has a torn achilles, so
42:05
Speaker 1: there's going to be pressure on the Colts next year
42:07
Speaker 1: to try to win. It's like, is he going to
42:10
Speaker 1: be ready for Week one? And if he is, how
42:13
Speaker 1: good is he gonna be early in the season. I
42:17
Speaker 1: think that's a little concerning. Now, didn't he have a
42:19
Speaker 1: major injury? Didn't he tears ACL in New York? I
42:21
Speaker 1: mean he's had some major injuries. Chiefs fan, how do
42:27
Speaker 1: you think the Chiefs approached the running back position? I
42:30
Speaker 1: see many having loved there at nine, but I can't
42:33
Speaker 1: see the Chiefs waiting to hope he is there and
42:35
Speaker 1: not instead grabbing one of those free agent backs and
42:38
Speaker 1: then taking a d lineman at nine. Thoughts? Also, what
42:41
Speaker 1: are your favorite areas to stay in Tahoe. We've stayed
42:44
Speaker 1: at Edgewood and loved it, but recently we have rented
42:47
Speaker 1: homes along the Rubicon Bay. We've stayed the last couple
42:52
Speaker 1: of years in an inclined village. It's on the Nevada side,
43:00
Speaker 1: opposite of Edgewood. Edgewood is where they play the golf
43:03
Speaker 1: tournament with all the football players, which is beautiful as well.
43:07
Speaker 1: I grew up staying on that side of the lake
43:09
Speaker 1: where Heavenly the Ski Resort is one of my good
43:13
Speaker 1: friends in I mean still is at my wedding. Has
43:17
Speaker 1: his parents have had a pad back then at a
43:20
Speaker 1: smaller lake on His dad was from South Lake Tahoe.
43:24
Speaker 1: But my mother in law, she a couple of years
43:29
Speaker 1: ago bought like a town home on the other side
43:32
Speaker 1: of the lake, which listen Lakedaho is hard to beat.
43:37
Speaker 1: I personally like Inclined Village a lot, but you can't
43:40
Speaker 1: beat Edgewood. I've never stayed at Edgewood. I've been there
43:43
Speaker 1: boozing a bunch over the course of my youth, but
43:46
Speaker 1: I've never actually stayed there. I've definitely gambled at those casinos, though.
43:52
Speaker 1: You just it's hard to be in Lake Tahoe, not
43:54
Speaker 1: of a smile on your face and a beer in
43:56
Speaker 1: your hand in the summer winter. You couldn't pay me
44:00
Speaker 1: to go anymore. My winter sports and I love skiing,
44:04
Speaker 1: probably in junior high and high school. I can't even
44:08
Speaker 1: fathom skiing ever again. I don't even think I'll put
44:10
Speaker 1: boots on my feet ever. Can't risk breaking a leg,
44:13
Speaker 1: tearing acl ripping an achilles, no chance head injury. Those
44:18
Speaker 1: days are done. What was your question the chiefs, Yeah,
44:23
Speaker 1: free agency. I don't know one thing They could do
44:26
Speaker 1: is take an impact lineman at nine. They could always
44:31
Speaker 1: take the other Notre Dame back and pick twenty nine.
44:33
Speaker 1: If he's on the board, he can fly, he can return,
44:36
Speaker 1: he can catch price. If they did want a running back,
44:42
Speaker 1: I definitely think that that would be an option. As
44:46
Speaker 1: I've gotten older and moved further into hospital administration, I
44:50
Speaker 1: focused on learning from people who clearly know their craft.
44:55
Speaker 1: Watching you Transition on Netflix and interviews with top NFL executives,
44:58
Speaker 1: it's clear you operate at high level, is my mom? No,
45:03
Speaker 1: this is a guy named John. As your career advanced,
45:06
Speaker 1: did you also find yourself intentionally seeking out high level mentors,
45:12
Speaker 1: even if very informal or like when you met Coward?
45:15
Speaker 1: Would love to know the details of the story. Yeah.
45:20
Speaker 1: I think I've just been very lucky. Once I got
45:24
Speaker 1: out of college and I went to work at Fresley
45:26
Speaker 1: State pat Hill, I went to work for the Eagles.
45:29
Speaker 1: It was Andy Reid and Howie Roseman, and I was around,
45:31
Speaker 1: you know, Veach and other people in that organization when
45:36
Speaker 1: I got into this business. Now, I've been around and
45:38
Speaker 1: associated with Colin for a long time, so I don't
45:41
Speaker 1: know if I specifically it's not like I go on
45:45
Speaker 1: LinkedIn and go I want to connect. I'm bad at
45:47
Speaker 1: that type stuff. I've just maybe been unintentionally intentionally seeking
45:53
Speaker 1: these type people, and I've just ended up working for
45:56
Speaker 1: around or with people that are much higher level than myself.
46:02
Speaker 1: So some people and you sound like it are good at,
46:05
Speaker 1: you know, seeking out mentors, seeking out people. That's not
46:08
Speaker 1: I'm just not great at that unless I'm at the
46:10
Speaker 1: combine i start introducing myself to everybody. But I've been
46:14
Speaker 1: very fortunate to see firsthand what it looks like to
46:19
Speaker 1: be really successful. And I think, you know, a lot
46:21
Speaker 1: of these lew Holtz speeches have gone viral. I think
46:26
Speaker 1: most messages from successful people tend to be pretty similar.
46:30
Speaker 1: It's about consistency, it's about discipline, it's about treating people
46:34
Speaker 1: the right way. It's about having a good foundation at home.
46:38
Speaker 1: You know. I think a huge advantage in life is
46:42
Speaker 1: having a you know, if you are married, liking and
46:46
Speaker 1: having a strong partnership with that person. If you do not,
46:49
Speaker 1: there is no point because your life will get derailed it.
46:54
Speaker 1: It's not possible to function if your home life's in shambles.
46:57
Speaker 1: Unless you're like Tiger Woods in two thousand and eight.
46:59
Speaker 1: Most people can't. So I think all these clips of
47:04
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz and some of his speeches to the team
47:07
Speaker 1: and stuff, it's all tends to be in the same world.
47:10
Speaker 1: And I think most people I've seen, you know, Pat
47:14
Speaker 1: Hill is one of the best, you know, smaller school
47:17
Speaker 1: head coaches in the country for a decade plus. Obviously
47:20
Speaker 1: Andy speaks for itself in colin. They all have a
47:22
Speaker 1: lot of similarities. One ironically they're all friends with each other.
47:27
Speaker 1: But two is like work, ethic, energy, passion, Like there
47:33
Speaker 1: are like some things that go along with these people.
47:36
Speaker 1: And I think you see this, whether it's Warren Buffett
47:38
Speaker 1: or Bezos or the guy crushing it that owns three
47:42
Speaker 1: h VAC companies, you know in your town who's a
47:45
Speaker 1: multi millionaire that no one even realizes. It's like that
47:48
Speaker 1: they're all kind of grinders, and they all kind of
47:50
Speaker 1: like the grind. And if you don't like it's just
47:52
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to do. It doesn't mean you got
47:54
Speaker 1: to every single day wake up with a smile on
47:56
Speaker 1: your face. But I think most people are pretty passionate
47:58
Speaker 1: about what they do and pretty fired up, you know
48:00
Speaker 1: that don't go around life just kind of pouting and
48:04
Speaker 1: pissed off. Doesn't mean you can't be pissed off on
48:06
Speaker 1: certain days, but like that, you kind of gotta attack
48:10
Speaker 1: the world a little bit every day, as Jim would say,
48:13
Speaker 1: with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. Again, some of these
48:15
Speaker 1: things people make fun of. I don't know most successful
48:18
Speaker 1: people I've seen. All these guys are like I mean,
48:20
Speaker 1: Andy and Coward were Who even knows how much Pat
48:24
Speaker 1: Hill was making millions. He was the first million dollar
48:28
Speaker 1: non power for head coach back in the early two thousands.
48:32
Speaker 1: I think they all have like the same three or
48:33
Speaker 1: four characteristics. So I think I've just been lucky to
48:38
Speaker 1: experience it more than like seek because I if someone
48:42
Speaker 1: just tells me something that's not Sometimes my wife, like
48:45
Speaker 1: we were trying to install she had a Cherokee. We
48:50
Speaker 1: got her a new, bigger car, and we sold the
48:53
Speaker 1: car to the dealership. As we're leaving with the other car,
48:57
Speaker 1: we're trying to install the car seat, and she brought
49:01
Speaker 1: the directions and I'm like, I don't learn that way,
49:05
Speaker 1: so you can. She's like read the directions like I
49:08
Speaker 1: can't read that, Like I won't, I'll get frustrated. So
49:11
Speaker 1: I let me go to YouTube and let me try
49:13
Speaker 1: it out. That's how I'll figure it out. And we
49:15
Speaker 1: all kind of learn different ways. So it's like I
49:18
Speaker 1: could sit with get advice from certain people. That's not really.
49:23
Speaker 1: If I had a phone call tomorrow with Warren Buffett
49:25
Speaker 1: not saying I wouldn't take things away, I'd be better
49:29
Speaker 1: off having warned, like, hey, give me a couple of
49:31
Speaker 1: things and let me just try them over the course
49:33
Speaker 1: of the next year and let me get back to you.
49:35
Speaker 1: Like our motto at cal Poly was learned by doing,
49:38
Speaker 1: and that's truly, Like I sounds corny or whatever, that's
49:42
Speaker 1: how I learned. I can't learn. I realized why I
49:45
Speaker 1: never learned in school, because you just sit there and
49:47
Speaker 1: they go over powerpoints like I'm fucking I'm not paying attention.
49:51
Speaker 1: But if you told me to go do something with
49:53
Speaker 1: what you're trying to teach me, I'm probably more likely
49:55
Speaker 1: to learn. We finally got the car seat in, but
49:58
Speaker 1: the lady that sold me the car was what are
50:00
Speaker 1: you doing? Are elite edge rushers now overrated and overpaid. Garrett,
50:06
Speaker 1: Watt Crosby all have been on irrelevant teams for years.
50:09
Speaker 1: Garrett has a record year, and the Browns did nothing
50:12
Speaker 1: similar to how they lay how they say how hard
50:16
Speaker 1: it is for a team to win a Super Bowl
50:17
Speaker 1: after paying the quarterback? Would it makes sense to trade
50:21
Speaker 1: a high priced edge for multiple mid level starters and
50:24
Speaker 1: spread the cap. I do think it's hard. With the
50:28
Speaker 1: Garrett thing, the Browns are a joke, Like if you
50:32
Speaker 1: put Miles Garrett on the Bills, like he could win
50:35
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. If you put Miles Garrett on the
50:37
Speaker 1: Rams as a defensive end, unless you're like Lawrence Taylor
50:42
Speaker 1: is in twenty twenty six, you're gonna need a good offense.
50:46
Speaker 1: You know TJ. Watt by the end of the year.
50:49
Speaker 1: Look at the Steelers, right, Crosby played for the Raiders.
50:53
Speaker 1: I mean Gino Smith's trying to pick every game. Some
50:56
Speaker 1: of these articles coming out of Chip Kelly. He would
50:59
Speaker 1: even come to the lot at halftime. He let his
51:02
Speaker 1: assistants talk to the team. I mean, you talk about
51:04
Speaker 1: an all time mail it in for six million dollars
51:06
Speaker 1: a year, I mean talk about an all ski mask team.
51:10
Speaker 1: Guy would be the head coach. So I think you're
51:13
Speaker 1: using these three examples, like now, I don't know how
51:15
Speaker 1: good TJ still is as he lost a step. But
51:18
Speaker 1: these guys, when they're playing well, if you put him
51:20
Speaker 1: on a team with a good offense, they're gonna make
51:24
Speaker 1: a big impact. The Steelers haven't had a quarterback for
51:28
Speaker 1: like eight years, back when Ben was good. I mean
51:31
Speaker 1: this year, Rogers tried, but he's forty one. The offense
51:34
Speaker 1: kind of sucked. He got injured in Crosby's I can't
51:38
Speaker 1: blame Max Crosby. So I think I have a hard
51:41
Speaker 1: time having an issue with having one of those guys
51:43
Speaker 1: on my team. What peptides do you take? I'm just
51:47
Speaker 1: we're four days in. I think it's BPC and CJC.
51:52
Speaker 1: The are the two I'm slamming five days a week.
51:55
Speaker 1: Haven't quite noticed a difference yet. Lady said that it
51:58
Speaker 1: might take a little while. I'm a big believer. I
52:01
Speaker 1: remember in high school, what was the stuff? What was
52:06
Speaker 1: the stuff that McGuire was taking andro I remember some
52:09
Speaker 1: of the guys in the football team started taking it.
52:10
Speaker 1: I was like, give me some, So I bought some,
52:13
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I lift way more in my thirties
52:17
Speaker 1: and forties than I ever did in high school when
52:19
Speaker 1: I was a football team, and I would just take it,
52:21
Speaker 1: thinking I would get big. Nothing happened probably wasn't great
52:25
Speaker 1: for my body. It's like McGuire looks like that, shit,
52:30
Speaker 1: what am I gonna look like? I'm a little be sweet.
52:33
Speaker 1: I know we are a good football content part of
52:35
Speaker 1: the year, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on
52:36
Speaker 1: the Angels owner already moreno saying the Angels fans don't
52:41
Speaker 1: care about winning and that it's not even a top
52:44
Speaker 1: five priority. This feels like a giant slap in the face.
52:49
Speaker 1: As a lifelong Angels fan, My family has given this
52:53
Speaker 1: scumbag too much of our money and I'm no longer
52:56
Speaker 1: spending money on this lifeless franchise. Last year, at a game,
53:00
Speaker 1: Angels fans showed up in all white Angel costumes with
53:04
Speaker 1: Halo's and it got a lot of media attention, and
53:06
Speaker 1: then you heard sell the team chance over the TV.
53:10
Speaker 1: It almost feels like this was a retaliation for that.
53:14
Speaker 1: Does it make sense for the Major League Baseball to
53:18
Speaker 1: step in and force a sale of a team since
53:22
Speaker 1: he obviously doesn't care to be competitive. MLBPA can't be
53:27
Speaker 1: happy with him openly admitting the price of winning is
53:30
Speaker 1: too high. If I was going to defend him a
53:33
Speaker 1: little bit. He's made some insane signings over the years. Right,
53:37
Speaker 1: he gave Albert Pooles like ten years, three hundred million
53:40
Speaker 1: dollars back when that was a ton of money. He
53:43
Speaker 1: gave Rendon after the Nationals won the World Series, a
53:48
Speaker 1: ton of money as rendon't even played. I mean, that's
53:51
Speaker 1: an all time ski mask contract. I mean they've given
53:55
Speaker 1: Trout like three billion dollars. He plays like seven games
53:58
Speaker 1: a year. He has paid a lot of money to
54:01
Speaker 1: individual players. None of it's worked out. I mean, shit,
54:04
Speaker 1: he signed Otani out of Japan and the guy left
54:08
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers. I'd say the highlight, Well, when I
54:13
Speaker 1: was in high school, you guys beat the Giants for
54:14
Speaker 1: the World Series. That sucked. Russell Ortz, Dusty Baker, that
54:18
Speaker 1: still stinks. But what's his name? Who's your closer? Bonds?
54:22
Speaker 1: Hit Bonds hit a ball? And what was your third base?
54:28
Speaker 1: In his name? Not? You guys had a pretty sweet team.
54:31
Speaker 1: They panned to him in the dugout and he's like,
54:33
Speaker 1: that's the longest ball I've ever seen hit. Problem is,
54:35
Speaker 1: the Giants were down two runs. It was a solo
54:37
Speaker 1: home run the ninth, But you guys said, listen, you
54:40
Speaker 1: want a World Series. That was pretty cool, but that
54:42
Speaker 1: was a long time ago now, and two not to
54:45
Speaker 1: date myself. That's I was. I would have been probably
54:49
Speaker 1: eighteen when that happened. Now it's twenty twenty six, So
54:54
Speaker 1: I feel your pain. I don't know, man, Baseball was
54:57
Speaker 1: a weird business. It really is. You have the Roger
55:00
Speaker 1: are spending all this money. You have the Phillies and
55:02
Speaker 1: the Mets and the Blue Jays and the Yankees, and
55:04
Speaker 1: then you have teams that don't spend any money. Then
55:07
Speaker 1: you have these weird teams like the Angels, who are
55:09
Speaker 1: periodically pay for a big time guy, but then their
55:12
Speaker 1: team just sucks. I don't really have an answer. I
55:17
Speaker 1: don't Baseball is just a bizarre ecosystem of owners of teams,
55:22
Speaker 1: of finances. I've never followed it less to have like
55:28
Speaker 1: a concrete answer, And specifically, I don't really know anything
55:31
Speaker 1: about the Angels. You could argue, don't give them your
55:36
Speaker 1: money anymore. And what's even more valuable than money is
55:39
Speaker 1: your time. So it's like you're giving your money and
55:42
Speaker 1: then you're going to a gate for three hours. I
55:45
Speaker 1: would stop that. I know you've talked a lot about
55:47
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts and how he doesn't fit in with the
55:50
Speaker 1: Eagles back in Oklahoma when he was there for a year,
55:53
Speaker 1: a lot of them, a lot of the same stuff
55:55
Speaker 1: was going on, even at parties. He just seemed above
55:58
Speaker 1: it all. Reminds me of Russell Wilson. Let me defend
56:01
Speaker 1: Jalen here. All of our personalities are different. Philip Rivers
56:07
Speaker 1: is different than Dak Prescott is different than Mahomes, is
56:11
Speaker 1: different than Lamar Jackson, is different than Jameis Winston. So
56:16
Speaker 1: every quarterback's personality is not going to be the same.
56:19
Speaker 1: Jalen is a different cat. I don't think he's exactly
56:23
Speaker 1: holding parties at his house for all the team to
56:25
Speaker 1: come over. The key to be in the quarterback though,
56:29
Speaker 1: whether you're Jalen or Russell Wilson or whether you're Patrick Mahomes,
56:33
Speaker 1: does every guy in that huddle want to go to
56:35
Speaker 1: war with you? Because if they do, you can't really
56:40
Speaker 1: ask much more. And that's you know. No one's ever
56:43
Speaker 1: questioned Jalen's work, ethic, his focus, how how hardy tries
56:49
Speaker 1: up until this year when he stopped running. But listen,
56:54
Speaker 1: I knew people at Oklahoma when he played there. It
56:57
Speaker 1: was just it was a big, a lot different experience
57:01
Speaker 1: in Baker Mayfield in the locker room, right, But you know,
57:05
Speaker 1: not everyone has to be the same. I think the
57:07
Speaker 1: bigger issue is does he do everything that's needed from
57:11
Speaker 1: his star quarterback to ingratiate himself with his teammates still
57:15
Speaker 1: at this famous level in which he's at with the money,
57:20
Speaker 1: Because everything I've heard, that's what Lamar does, That's what
57:23
Speaker 1: Josh Allen does, That's what Patrick Mahomes does. That's what
57:26
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott does. That's what Peyton Manning and Tom Brady
57:30
Speaker 1: and Philip Rivers and all those guys did. That's the
57:34
Speaker 1: price of being the quarterback. Sometimes, on like a Thursday night,
57:38
Speaker 1: you got to take the guys out for some beers,
57:41
Speaker 1: even if you don't want to go for beers, even
57:43
Speaker 1: if you don't want to go to the pizza joint,
57:46
Speaker 1: even if you just want to go home and hang
57:49
Speaker 1: out with your wife and watch a movie and go
57:51
Speaker 1: to bed. Like it's sometimes you got it in certain
57:55
Speaker 1: roles in life, especially ones that pay premiums. Stuff that's
58:01
Speaker 1: not part of your contract is required. And that's where
58:04
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a lot of pressure this
58:06
Speaker 1: offseason on Jalen to like, you really need to be
58:10
Speaker 1: all in on your group. And you know, obviously, if
58:14
Speaker 1: you're playing well, no one criticized you. But when you
58:16
Speaker 1: start playing kind of hit or miss, people start nippicking you.
58:20
Speaker 1: And I think he's just he's always been a polarizing player.
58:23
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a second round pick for a reason.
58:25
Speaker 1: He got benched at Alabama. He went from playing well
58:30
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl to this year led the league
58:32
Speaker 1: in three and outs. So I don't have a great
58:34
Speaker 1: answer there, but it doesn't bother me, like I ideally
58:37
Speaker 1: I want Tom Brady, right, Brett Farr, Troygman, the guy
58:43
Speaker 1: that every teammate loves. Doesn't mean you got to be
58:47
Speaker 1: best friends with everybody, but you need that guy to
58:50
Speaker 1: respect you. And for whatever reason, Russell Wilson could never
58:53
Speaker 1: get the respect out of guy's in Seattle. I don't
58:55
Speaker 1: know if there was resentment what was going on there.
58:58
Speaker 1: That's not how it started with Jalen with the Eagles,
59:03
Speaker 1: but it does feel like it's kind of got to
59:05
Speaker 1: that point where and this is probably why AJ's gonna
59:08
Speaker 1: get traded, because they kind of need to reset in
59:10
Speaker 1: that locker room. But it's gonna be incumbent on Hurts.
59:14
Speaker 1: It's like, Bro, we need you to kind of rally
59:17
Speaker 1: the troops. Like Jason Kelsy's not here anymore, buttcher Cox
59:20
Speaker 1: is not here anymore. Brandon Graham's probably not gonna unretire again.
59:24
Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated to watch the way this all shapes
59:26
Speaker 1: out and keep firing those dms at John Middlecoff, at
59:30
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff's the Instagram. Appreciate all you guys, and see
59:33
Speaker 1: you next week. The volume