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Suzanne Morphew Hubby, Scratches, Caught on Video Throwing Trash Bags in Multiple Dumpsters · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mom seemingly
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Speaker 1: goes out for a bi cried on Mother's Day, all alone,
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Speaker 1: where it's her husband. Where are her children? That's another question,
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Speaker 1: not probative, that really doesn't prove anything. But what does
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Speaker 1: prove something is that her husband, Barry Moore few had
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Speaker 1: cuts of scrapes and scabs on his arms. How did
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Speaker 1: that happen? His alibi is falling apart, and now does
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Speaker 1: triangulation show that he literally chased her around their home,
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Speaker 1: their mansion before she went missing. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: We are bringing you the very latest out of a
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Speaker 1: courtroom where a preliminary hearing has been going hot and heavy.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing a little bit of the state's case. Although
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Speaker 1: the arrest weren't for barrymoreph you the husband has been
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Speaker 1: kept under seal. Why I hear it's over one hundred
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Speaker 1: pages long? Boy? Would I like to get my mits
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Speaker 1: on that arrest? IFFA David? I mean, and see Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Who murdered Suzanne Morphew? Yes, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: drag her name through them up because she had an affair,
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Speaker 1: that's not the killer, and I don't care if she
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Speaker 1: had one affair or ten affairs, or if she was
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Speaker 1: a nun and the monastery she was murdered. Don't tell
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Speaker 1: me she's missing. She's dead and I want to know
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Speaker 1: who murdered her. Again, thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in series Sex sim one to eleven,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this our friends at Denver seven.
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Speaker 1: In court today, Bombshell knew evidence in the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: Susanne Morephew. We learned she was having an affair for
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Speaker 1: two years prior to her disappearance, that investigators only found
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Speaker 1: out about the affair through a spy pen that recorded
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Speaker 1: audio between Susanne and her lover, and that she traveled
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Speaker 1: at least six times out of state to be with him.
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Speaker 1: We also learned barrymore Few and Susanne argued shortly before
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Speaker 1: her disappearance about money, in particular about Suzanne's inheritance, which
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Speaker 1: the couple partially spent on their large house in Chaffee County.
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Speaker 1: On the other hand, the defense argued no blood or
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Speaker 1: trace evidence was ever found, not in the home, not
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Speaker 1: in Barry's truck, and Susanne's body has never been found either.
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Speaker 1: They also argued Berry did everything a concerned husband would
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Speaker 1: do after the disappearance of his wife, texted her, called
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Speaker 1: his daughters, asked neighbors to check on Suzanne, and never
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Speaker 1: objected to police searches of the home or his truck.
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Speaker 1: The defense also revealed Suzanne was on antidepressants before her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a heck of a defense opening statement.
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Speaker 1: But guess what, I think there's plenty of ammunition to
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Speaker 1: fire right back at every single thing that Russell Haythorne
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Speaker 1: den Verse seven just reported with me an all star
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Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together again.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author, I've read Flags on Amazon
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Speaker 1: and hosted today with doctor Wendy KCBQ, San Diego, doctor
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Speaker 1: Joy Crossham psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University, research consultant, author
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Speaker 1: Operation SS. It goes on and on and on. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: Founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute. I know
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Speaker 1: for a fact she is a forensic expert. I've been
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Speaker 1: on many a crime scene with Miss Cheryl McCullum. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org. Death Investigator. Now,
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Speaker 1: that is a creepy title. Joe Scott, You're gonna have
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Speaker 1: to work on that for a minute. Death investigator. But
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Speaker 1: when we say this about Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: star of a brand new hit series, The Piketon Massacre
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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. And this gentleman has been on literally thousands
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Speaker 1: and I would be willing to venture over ten thousand
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Speaker 1: homicide scenes. But first to Mike King, our special guest host,
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Speaker 1: Profiling Evil. Now that gets my attention right there, Profiling
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Speaker 1: Evil on YouTube. Former police officer in Utah, former Chief
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Speaker 1: investigator Wow Utah Attorney General's Office, author of Deceived, an
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Speaker 1: investigative memoir of the Zion Society cult. You know you've
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Speaker 1: been hanging around with the wrong people. King. What I'm
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Speaker 1: interested in is this profiling evil because you have been
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Speaker 1: on this Suzanne Morephew disappearance from day one, and I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you're like me. I know this is crazy,
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Speaker 1: but sometimes, you know, Mike King, I have get up
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Speaker 1: at five o'clock to feed the cat, the dog that
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Speaker 1: guineas my mother, or the children, La la la. One
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Speaker 1: of the first things I do is. I go to
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Speaker 1: Google and I put in Susanne. More few I send
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Speaker 1: techs and emails five am Eastern to every source I've
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Speaker 1: got trying to find out what do you know? What
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Speaker 1: do you know? What do you know? You know everything
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Speaker 1: that's been going on in that courtroom? Hit me? Oh well,
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Speaker 1: I think it's been an amazing four days and I
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Speaker 1: really have enjoyed listening talking to Okay, you know what,
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Speaker 1: Mike King, I really like you. But cut right to
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Speaker 1: it when I say, hit me, I don't want to
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Speaker 1: hear about the tea party you've been having at the courthouse.
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Speaker 1: Give me the evidence and give it to me, now,
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Speaker 1: you know what. It boils down to a circumstantial case
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Speaker 1: that I think is pretty powerful, and I think the
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Speaker 1: prosecution showed it. Is it possible? Yeah, a lot of
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Speaker 1: things are possible, but here it is scratches on the arm.
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Speaker 1: Why does the guy walk in the one time he
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Speaker 1: talks with police and goes to his home and he's
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Speaker 1: wearing a long sleeve shirt. Did you hear that? Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead and laugh all ye have little faith. But
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Speaker 1: when you are out in Colorado in the summertime and
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Speaker 1: it's getting hot and you're you are buttoned up neck
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Speaker 1: to wrist to toe. You're covered up. Okay, you know what.
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Speaker 1: A defense turning could have a field day with that.
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Speaker 1: But a jury may sit up and park up and
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Speaker 1: listen to it like I just did. So he goes
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Speaker 1: to talk to cops and he's got on a long
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Speaker 1: sleeve shirt. Okay, go ahead, yeah, crazy, I mean we go,
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Speaker 1: We go to the bike that was clearly staged. In
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Speaker 1: my opinion, it's there's no artifact to suggest that there
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Speaker 1: were scuffs on the road, that there was a collision
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Speaker 1: down the hillside. The police even testify that the bike
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Speaker 1: front wheel was turned in a manner that would be
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Speaker 1: suggestive of it being rolled down a hill with nothing
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Speaker 1: holding onto the handlebars. All of the previous alibies of
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Speaker 1: mountain lions and the boogeyman just okay, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute. I will be laughed
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Speaker 1: out of court if I go in and go Well,
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Speaker 1: the way the front tire was turned makes me think
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Speaker 1: that they can shred it up like a razor. Give
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Speaker 1: me something more, give me something harder than that, for
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Speaker 1: pete sake. Ye, the bike wheel was turned. Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: as a bike wheel turned without creating some kind of
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Speaker 1: artifact in the ground, in the dirt, and there's a
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Speaker 1: body on that bike because you mean a crash, a
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Speaker 1: bike wheel is turned and there's no evidence of a
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Speaker 1: crash evidence. Okay, now that makes a little bit of sense.
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Speaker 1: But I want to get I want to get down
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Speaker 1: to wait. You just kind of glossed over the cuts
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Speaker 1: on the arm. You tell me, Hannah long Slaves, Well,
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Speaker 1: where did the cut center into this? Well? The testimony
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Speaker 1: from the police, from the sheriff's offices that there are
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Speaker 1: scratches that are consistent with those you'd see by finger nails.
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Speaker 1: Those I don't know any other way to put it
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Speaker 1: than I know how to put it. I know how
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Speaker 1: to put it. Hold on because if argument de juries before,
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Speaker 1: they looked like a little bit of crescent moons, half moons.
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Speaker 1: I wonder, Susanne Morphey war fake nails. I just wonder. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut. Ninety two met jay
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Speaker 1: blow nine knees, Denver. On day three of the preliminary hearing,
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Speaker 1: the Chaffee County under Sheriff Andy Rourick testified that Barry
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Speaker 1: moorefew had three scratch marks on his left arm and
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Speaker 1: injuries on his hands when he spoke with more a
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Speaker 1: few a few days after Morphew's wife, Susanne disappeared last summer.
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Speaker 1: Suzanne was last seen on Mother's Day and has since
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Speaker 1: been presumed dead. The under Sheriff said more Ifhew claimed
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Speaker 1: he got the injuries from a tree while searching for Suzanne. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was out searching for her. But
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Speaker 1: also interesting, wait a minute, a minute, he only speaks
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Speaker 1: to cops days after she goes missing, Is that right,
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Speaker 1: Mike King? Well, that's the testimony, and of course we
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Speaker 1: know that he came to the scene the night he
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Speaker 1: returns from Denver to the scene where the bicycle is,
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Speaker 1: and then they take him into the home on the
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Speaker 1: one visit he makes to the home, which was also
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Speaker 1: troubling because he doesn't look around for his wife. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't say, hey, this is out of place, or that's
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Speaker 1: out of place, or where's her purse. He just goes in,
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Speaker 1: retrieves the document, according to court testimony, and then they
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Speaker 1: walk out of the house. What document does he go
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Speaker 1: into retreat an article of clothing? What article of clothing? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think it's our bike shorts. If I remember, right, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And I think it was so that the dogs could
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Speaker 1: search for that sin. Is that supposed to be the
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Speaker 1: first time he's back in the home. It is the
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Speaker 1: first time. Yes, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Of course
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to bring in doctor Torry Crows and
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Speaker 1: on this the actual expert, the psychologist. But can we
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Speaker 1: just talk about this for one minute? Okay, Cheryl, did
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Speaker 1: you do you remember the oh um, let's see, they
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Speaker 1: played bad boys, Bad Boys that it was cops, Cops, Cops.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever notice in Cops there would be a
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Speaker 1: guy just sitting in his recliner having a beer, watching TV,
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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you'd seen the background cops
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Speaker 1: running through and the guy didn't even look up, Like
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Speaker 1: if a cop came running through my house, I would
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Speaker 1: get up and chase them, why are you here? But
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Speaker 1: you know it was just just normal. Okay, Why does
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Speaker 1: Barry Morphey this the first time he's gone in the
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Speaker 1: home since his wife is reported missing? Not by him,
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Speaker 1: I might add, And he just goes, he gets a
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Speaker 1: pair of her shorts and comes back out. Man, I'd
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Speaker 1: be all over that place trying to find what I
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Speaker 1: could find help me again. I think if we go
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Speaker 1: back to what you just mentioned, he's not the one
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Speaker 1: that even alerted the police. He didn't call the police.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't frantic looking for her. Cheryl quit saying what
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Speaker 1: I just said. But I think it's police. I just
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Speaker 1: said that. Say something new. Okay. Here one when he
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Speaker 1: offers one hundred thousand dollars, he offers one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars for her safe return, not for any information, not
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Speaker 1: for the person that did it, but for her safe return,
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Speaker 1: so he knows he's never gonna have to part with
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Speaker 1: that one hundred grand. Okay, wait a minute, what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about if somebody okay, you know what, mute her? Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to doctor Jerry Crossing. Okay, Jory, listen.
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Speaker 1: He goes into the house for the first time his
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Speaker 1: wife has been reported missing. I would be tearing the
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Speaker 1: place up. Did she leave me a note? Did she this?
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Speaker 1: Did she that is the bed? Made up? Or clothes here?
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Speaker 1: Or purse here? There are her diamond earrings anything. He'd
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Speaker 1: be looking for any clue where my husband was. It's
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Speaker 1: not like him to just not show up. I'd be
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Speaker 1: on my iPhone trying to do life three sixty everything
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Speaker 1: to find him. He just walks in, grabs a pair
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Speaker 1: of pass goes here. What He's not very well planned
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Speaker 1: on this at all. That's what one of the things
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Speaker 1: I noticed from the beginning. He's kind of making it
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Speaker 1: up as he goes. He may have had a plan,
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Speaker 1: but not down to the fine details. Just like this,
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Speaker 1: you know, not going in and being some kind of
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Speaker 1: a dramatic emotional response looking for his wife like you described.
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Speaker 1: And he goes and gets the clothing article for the
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Speaker 1: dogs to get a cent off of. And that's it.
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Speaker 1: No more investigating of the house. I can tell you
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Speaker 1: what he did. Oh Nash, she wants a second chance
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Speaker 1: because he wanted out of that house. He wanted the
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Speaker 1: police out of that house, because he knew he had
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Speaker 1: darts in the dryer. He knew he had a twenty
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Speaker 1: two caliber bullet on the floor, He knew there were
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Speaker 1: some things in that house he did not want them
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Speaker 1: to see. I don't think he knew he left behind
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Speaker 1: the twenty two caliber bullet. I don't think he realized
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Speaker 1: he had left the dark gun in the dryer. I
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Speaker 1: think all that he goes back to what doctor Jerry
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Speaker 1: Crows and just said, yes, you're right, he did those things,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think he knew about it, because I
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Speaker 1: think this was very well planned. You know, Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: Chryl you'll probably remember me telling you this. I remember
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Speaker 1: my boss they elected DA called me down to his
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Speaker 1: office one time, well one many times, and he had
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Speaker 1: his newspaper up, like he always did, and I was
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Speaker 1: standing there looking at the back of the newspaper and
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Speaker 1: he said, Nancy. I said, yes, sir. He went, do
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Speaker 1: you think you get too emotionally involved in your cases?
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Speaker 1: And I see, guess anyway, okay, and then I left.
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Speaker 1: That was it. And what I was leading up when
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Speaker 1: I was leading up to Wendy Patrick is doctor Joory
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Speaker 1: has an analysis which I think is correct. Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: has an analysis who I think is correct. But in
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Speaker 1: that moment, just then, when I was talking about my
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Speaker 1: husband would never just go missing or not leave me
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Speaker 1: a note or a text probably and I come in
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Speaker 1: and he's not here. Just thinking about that scenario got
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Speaker 1: me nervy. Just thinking that that could happen. I would
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Speaker 1: be completely torn up. Yeah, well, you know, your emotion
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Speaker 1: makes you good at your job. And good at your show.
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Speaker 1: You know, emotion is one of those things that you
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Speaker 1: just can't hide if it's authentic. And if but he
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Speaker 1: had no emotion, it's not about me, it's about him.
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Speaker 1: And that's the evidence that is going to be emphasized
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Speaker 1: throughout because action speak louder than words, so to emotions,
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Speaker 1: and for him to have had no emotional reaction, that
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Speaker 1: lack of demeanor, that lack of the kind of natural
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Speaker 1: emotions that anybody would have even under the circumstances, is
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Speaker 1: a huge piece of evidence. Now, sure it's not what
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Speaker 1: he said, and maybe not even necessarily what he did,
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Speaker 1: but the fact that he was able to so calmly
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Speaker 1: go and retrieve whatever they asked him to retrieve without
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Speaker 1: that characteristic panic and just dread all of the kinds
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Speaker 1: of very strong emotions one would have in that circumstance
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Speaker 1: if they weren't a killer. That in and of itself
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Speaker 1: is going to be so powerful in a case like this.
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Speaker 1: Compare his behavior and his emotion levels to other incidences
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Speaker 1: with his wife. I mean, you know, there were domestic violence,
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Speaker 1: there was the aggression. He's highly emotional, but for him
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden now to shut down just like this.
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Speaker 1: He's trying to control himself and as much as the
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Speaker 1: environment as he possibly can. Very much out of art,
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Speaker 1: although in court he's apparently gushing at his two adult
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Speaker 1: daughters who were siding with him for their own reasons. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we've got new evidence that we're learning at that preliminary
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Speaker 1: hearing and with us is host profiling evil on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome, Mike King, who knows everything that's gone on
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Speaker 1: in the courtroom, including this, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friend Laurence Sharf Fox twenty one one o three. It
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Speaker 1: was the first time we ever heard that Barry Morphew
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Speaker 1: had any type of scratches or injuries the weekend of
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Speaker 1: Susanne's disappearance, and investigators believe it was fingernails scratches on
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Speaker 1: his upper left arm, but Barry told investigators it was
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Speaker 1: from tree branches when he was searching for Susanne. Chief
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Speaker 1: E County under Sheriff Andy Rourick says the door to
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Speaker 1: the couple's master bedroom on the first floor showed evidence
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Speaker 1: of forced entry from the outside, something the previous owners
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Speaker 1: said wasn't there when they moved out. Investigators also found
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Speaker 1: a twenty two caliber unspent shellcasey on Suzanne's side of
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Speaker 1: the bed, and deputies were told to look for three
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Speaker 1: books Susanne kept together, a Bible, at Alanon book and
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Speaker 1: a journal. Investigators never found the journal and mentioned finding
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Speaker 1: a book finding that had been burned in the couple's fireplace. Oh,
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Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, Mike King, you didn't say anything
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Speaker 1: about the book burn in the fireplace. Yeah, my gat man,
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Speaker 1: isn't it? Isn't that something? I mean, who would try
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Speaker 1: out his tequila for a shot of espresso a book
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Speaker 1: burn Who goes in birds a book in their fireplace
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Speaker 1: unless it's on a movie set or they're trying to
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Speaker 1: destroy evidence. Yeah, really interesting. And who would destroy a
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Speaker 1: journal that they put so much heart and emotion into
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Speaker 1: that That really is troubling. The other two books that
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Speaker 1: the Bible and Alanon book on healing kind of understanding
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Speaker 1: people who are going through traumatic experiences. Some people of
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Speaker 1: theory that it had to do with addictions of Susans.
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Speaker 1: That's not what the book's about. It's about understanding others
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Speaker 1: who have gone through challenges and addiction. Yeah, the alan
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Speaker 1: On book does not mean she had an addiction. I
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Speaker 1: remember when we were doing Dancing with the Stars. There
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Speaker 1: was a contestant that would come and sit on my
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Speaker 1: trailer hitch all the time. He always had an alan
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Speaker 1: On book with him and he lived by it. He
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Speaker 1: would go through it almost every time I saw him.
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Speaker 1: He had the alan On book when he wasn't dancing
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Speaker 1: to give him strength, and it really worked. I wonder
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Speaker 1: why she needed strength. I can only guess. But what
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Speaker 1: I can do is analyze those cuts on his arm.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, death investigator author. I'm not even going
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Speaker 1: to ask you how many thousands of homicide scenes you've
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Speaker 1: been on, how many bodies you've looked at. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about the cuts on his arm. I'm so happy he
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Speaker 1: said he got the cuts from a tree, because too,
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Speaker 1: that is nothing like fingernail. No, it's not. I can
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Speaker 1: completely obliterate this in just a couple of takes. Just
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Speaker 1: give me a second, if everybody that's listening to this
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Speaker 1: will actually turn your fingers toward your face and look
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Speaker 1: at your fingernails. You had mentioned how there are crescent
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Speaker 1: shaped marks that are left behind by nails. You're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: That happens when somebody clutches. Somebody like to defend themselves.
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Speaker 1: But what they're talking about is scratch marks. Now, if
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Speaker 1: you'll think about a plowed field, when you see in
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Speaker 1: the spring when fields have been plowed, that's what scratch
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Speaker 1: marks actually look look like. They're they're in rows, they're uniformed.
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Speaker 1: You have them when you have tree branch scratches. These
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Speaker 1: are all irregular. Just think about going out in your
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Speaker 1: yard and trim and a hedge or something like that.
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Speaker 1: The branches are randomized, not fingernails. Okay. And when she
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Speaker 1: would have scratched him, Nancy, imagine this, her nails would
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Speaker 1: have collected all of the skin cells and it would
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Speaker 1: have if you've ever seen old paint that kind of
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Speaker 1: rolls up when people are scraping things, that top layer,
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Speaker 1: the epidermist literally comes off and it embeds beneath the nails.
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Speaker 1: He had to get rid of her body, destroy evidence.
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Speaker 1: And also there was one other thing that kind of
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Speaker 1: stood out to me about this is the fact that
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Speaker 1: they said he had other injuries to his hands. What
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Speaker 1: does that mean Because they didn't say scratches, they said
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Speaker 1: other injuries. I'm wondering if he had contusions otherwise known
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Speaker 1: as bruises, where maybe he had been pounding her, it
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Speaker 1: left marks on her. Maybe they were abraided in some way.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's actually a practice in forensics called anti
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Speaker 1: mortem forensic forensic pathology where I've been involved in these cases, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: where we go and actually examine living suspects, living individuals,
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Speaker 1: go to the emergency room and you take pictures. I hope,
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Speaker 1: I hope with everything that is with in me that
21:00
Speaker 1: the police thoroughly documented these marks on his body with photography,
21:05
Speaker 1: I mean all all over him, every inch of his body,
21:09
Speaker 1: and that they can get these not to some general practitioner,
21:13
Speaker 1: but to an actual forensic mythologist, because what they're going
21:16
Speaker 1: to be looking for is the age of the injuries,
21:19
Speaker 1: because that's going to come up. They will know are
21:21
Speaker 1: they fresh, this is consistent with the amount of times
21:23
Speaker 1: she's been missing, and also the degree the nature of
21:28
Speaker 1: what could have generated this, because this is going to
21:31
Speaker 1: be if we don't find her body, this is going
21:33
Speaker 1: to be the closest to anything that we're going to
21:35
Speaker 1: come up with. We're not going to find her body, Bam.
21:38
Speaker 1: I don't think we're going to ever find her body,
21:40
Speaker 1: because if we haven't found it by now, I don't
21:42
Speaker 1: think we're going to find it. You know, when you
21:44
Speaker 1: don't know a horse, look at his strack record. They've
21:47
Speaker 1: looked everywhere they can think of, and so far nothing
22:05
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about scratches
22:11
Speaker 1: and I stand corrected. Although I think what you and
22:15
Speaker 1: I are saying are not mutually exclusive. I think you
22:18
Speaker 1: can have the crescent grab marks, but you're right when
22:24
Speaker 1: you scratch down, that's a perfect comparison to freshly dug
22:29
Speaker 1: rose out in the field. And that is very different
22:34
Speaker 1: from passing tree branches and then scraping your arms. Why
22:39
Speaker 1: would they scrape his hands, I don't know, but completely
22:43
Speaker 1: different markings. So this is the first we're hearing about
22:48
Speaker 1: these cuts on Barry Morphew's hands and as Joe Scott
22:51
Speaker 1: Morgan accurately pointed out, and other injuries. Take a listen
22:56
Speaker 1: to our friends at nine knees Denver. Earlier in the day,
23:00
Speaker 1: John Grucing, a former FBI agent, testified that the day
23:03
Speaker 1: after Susanne disappeared, when Babby was heading to Broomfield for
23:07
Speaker 1: a business trip, he went in the wrong direction on
23:09
Speaker 1: Route fifty, heading not to Broomfield but towards the area
23:13
Speaker 1: where Suzanne's bike helmet was later found. Grucing testified that
23:16
Speaker 1: Morphew explained he was following a large elk down Route
23:19
Speaker 1: fifty to see when it's antlers would fall off, though
23:22
Speaker 1: under Sheriff Rork testified that elk don't have antlers that
23:26
Speaker 1: time of year. Grucing also testified that a tranquilizer gun
23:29
Speaker 1: and darts were found in Morphu's garage. When he asked
23:32
Speaker 1: more a few about it, Grucing said, morph you told
23:34
Speaker 1: him he shot deer from a breezeway of his house
23:37
Speaker 1: in order to cut off their antlers. Under Sheriff Rory
23:40
Speaker 1: testified that no cut off deer antlers were ever found
23:45
Speaker 1: in Morphu's house. Man, I hope he just keeps talking
23:49
Speaker 1: mac to Mike King, host of Profiling Evil on YouTube,
23:54
Speaker 1: Mike King, he just like blah blah blah, and I
23:59
Speaker 1: just of it because here he goes the wrong direction.
24:04
Speaker 1: His GPS shows us that in his vehicle, instead of
24:09
Speaker 1: going where he says he's going, he goes the other way,
24:12
Speaker 1: claiming he was following alone elk to determine when it's
24:16
Speaker 1: antlers we're going to fall off. I don't know about you,
24:20
Speaker 1: but it would take a lot if I'm on my
24:21
Speaker 1: way to work, to get me to detour somewhere else
24:25
Speaker 1: if I have to be at work. But I'm curious
24:30
Speaker 1: when they find the tranquilizer gun and darts some of
24:35
Speaker 1: it in the dryer when they get there, he explains
24:39
Speaker 1: it by saying he shot a deer from the breezeway
24:41
Speaker 1: of his home to cut off their antler. But then
24:47
Speaker 1: we can't find the antler, So what happened to them? Okay, Mike,
24:50
Speaker 1: Mike King joining us, what do you know? Well, here,
24:53
Speaker 1: here's the first thing that bothers me is the time
24:55
Speaker 1: of day. If sunrise is about at five fifty, so
24:58
Speaker 1: at five am or a little b before that, it's
25:01
Speaker 1: still pretty darn and dark. So to make that turn
25:03
Speaker 1: is interesting. But the thing that's most interesting to me
25:06
Speaker 1: is that down the road to the left, to the
25:08
Speaker 1: west where he turns is where Suzanne's helmet is found.
25:12
Speaker 1: So that's a big, big coincidence. If he's chased right
25:16
Speaker 1: asked him, place him right there where her helmet was found. Well,
25:20
Speaker 1: the helmet was found less than a mile to the
25:23
Speaker 1: west of where he turns, so he would be going
25:27
Speaker 1: very close to that very area where the helmet's discovered,
25:31
Speaker 1: and the helmet, I'm curious. I'm curious. Do we know
25:34
Speaker 1: how long he was there? Time for him to get
25:37
Speaker 1: out of the car and walk to place the helmet
25:39
Speaker 1: and come back. You know what, I don't think he
25:40
Speaker 1: would have to place the helmet. Nancy was about ten
25:43
Speaker 1: yards off the road, so just driving before he makes
25:45
Speaker 1: his U turn to head back, he could toss that
25:48
Speaker 1: out the window and that's where that would end up
25:50
Speaker 1: lying it was a turquoise helmet, goes right by where
25:53
Speaker 1: the helmet was was, Yeah, and then he turns around
25:55
Speaker 1: and heads back. So the question about whether they're elkred
25:59
Speaker 1: I guess it got away. Oh, it sounds like the
26:02
Speaker 1: elk got away, but the interest elk it could still
26:05
Speaker 1: be holding onto antlers, So that that's a possibility in
26:09
Speaker 1: early April, but not a probability. But the bottom line
26:13
Speaker 1: is we never saw the antlers. That's a lie. Well,
26:18
Speaker 1: or do we know whether he found the elk again?
26:21
Speaker 1: Bottom line is he turns west when he was supposed
26:24
Speaker 1: to turn east. Well, I no, there's an elk and
26:27
Speaker 1: a deer. The deer he shot from the breezeway, remember,
26:31
Speaker 1: and climb. That's why he used his dark gun. But
26:34
Speaker 1: where are they the antlers he climbs, he got and
26:37
Speaker 1: also then there was the elk he was chasing. Are
26:40
Speaker 1: there two different animals, two different animals and two different processes.
26:45
Speaker 1: If he if he's shooting the deer and cutting the
26:48
Speaker 1: antler off, there's no question there should be evidence of
26:51
Speaker 1: an antler that's been cut off, which, by the way,
26:53
Speaker 1: is against the law to shoot the deer and cut
26:55
Speaker 1: its antlers off. Second is if he's looking for sheds
26:58
Speaker 1: where the antler falls off on its own, just chasing
27:02
Speaker 1: that elk is not going to get him that lucky
27:04
Speaker 1: bullet that it's going to drop off its head wallets
27:06
Speaker 1: running away. So that's kind of a wacky pot. Now
27:09
Speaker 1: you mentioned something interesting. I remember the first time and
27:12
Speaker 1: we went back out there recently, jack with the children
27:15
Speaker 1: in the RV Good Times to Jackson Hall and they
27:19
Speaker 1: have a huge aren't made from antlers, And the first
27:24
Speaker 1: time I saw him like, isn't this illegal, I'm not
27:27
Speaker 1: going to get a picture near that, and they went, no,
27:29
Speaker 1: they shed them at a certain time of year. That's
27:32
Speaker 1: the first time I knew that way back when. So
27:35
Speaker 1: you're right dart gunning them and cutting off their antlers
27:40
Speaker 1: is illegal. Plus, we can't find the antlers, So to you,
27:43
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute at
27:47
Speaker 1: Coldcase Crimes dot org, jump in, we got a lot
27:50
Speaker 1: of evidence. Nancy. Again, why would the dart be in
27:53
Speaker 1: the dryer? Nothing he has done has made sense. He's
27:56
Speaker 1: at a hotel room that smells like chlorox. He you know,
28:00
Speaker 1: he's the first one to entertain that a cougar got her,
28:03
Speaker 1: and that makes no sense to anybody that lives in
28:06
Speaker 1: that area. Again, if that had happened, it's the whole
28:08
Speaker 1: wildlife kingdom. You've got you now you got a cougar.
28:13
Speaker 1: The whole wildlife exact was conspiring against Barry Marphy deleted
28:18
Speaker 1: text messages. He's done all these things and none of
28:21
Speaker 1: it makes any sense. But one thing I want to
28:23
Speaker 1: point out. He knew that his wife was having an affair.
28:28
Speaker 1: When she shows up missing, he does not tell police
28:32
Speaker 1: about the other guy. He doesn't tell them, Hey, she's
28:35
Speaker 1: been having an affair with the guy and she's gone
28:37
Speaker 1: out of town several times. Check with him. Maybe he
28:40
Speaker 1: did something to her. He doesn't mention that guy at all. Oh,
28:44
Speaker 1: that's a really good. That's a really good thought. Why
28:48
Speaker 1: didn't he because he knew that guy didn't get her. Guys,
28:53
Speaker 1: we are talking about the evidence is it is unfolding
28:57
Speaker 1: in a preliminary hearing courtroom, which I had visa state
29:00
Speaker 1: against because you show the other side all your evidence.
29:04
Speaker 1: I've always said they should have just convened a grand
29:06
Speaker 1: jury and indicted him if they had the evidence, why
29:09
Speaker 1: show your cards. But they did it, and in a
29:12
Speaker 1: way I'm glad they did, because I'm finding out a
29:13
Speaker 1: lot about it. You just heard Cheryl McCollum refer back
29:17
Speaker 1: to that hotel room. Now, isn't it true? Back to you,
29:21
Speaker 1: Mike King, host of Profiling Evil on YouTube, that the
29:25
Speaker 1: morning that his wife goes missing, it's Mother's day. He
29:29
Speaker 1: gets up, according to him, early early, still dark outside,
29:33
Speaker 1: and leaves for a job that's later been disproved there
29:37
Speaker 1: wasn't really a job. It's building a retainer wall that
29:40
Speaker 1: he had built before. In it I guess had cracks
29:43
Speaker 1: in it or needed to be redone. We now find
29:46
Speaker 1: out he was hastily putting together a crew that morning
29:50
Speaker 1: in the car in his vehicle on the way to
29:53
Speaker 1: the out of town job. But he goes to a hotel.
30:00
Speaker 1: He goes to a hotel. Take a listen to our
30:03
Speaker 1: cut ninety six din verse seven. Also in court, attorneys
30:08
Speaker 1: spoke about the inside of Morphu's hotel room the day
30:11
Speaker 1: Susanne went missing. CBI didn't swab the hotel room for
30:15
Speaker 1: Susanne's DNA. Morphe employees who were in Brufield on the
30:21
Speaker 1: day Susanne was reported missing, saw that there was wet
30:25
Speaker 1: towels in the bathroom and an intense chlorine odor. The
30:29
Speaker 1: state suggested because of COVID the pool wouldn't be open.
30:33
Speaker 1: The defense pointed out, the manager of the hotel send
30:36
Speaker 1: an email stating the room morph you had stayed in
30:38
Speaker 1: is above the pool and still smelt like chlorine four
30:42
Speaker 1: months later. Wow, it's still stuck of chlorine four months later,
30:48
Speaker 1: jofs goot Morgan, it didn't come from the pool. Now
30:50
Speaker 1: we know they didn't swab the room for DNA. I
30:53
Speaker 1: doubt pretty seriously he had Susanne Morphy's body in that
30:56
Speaker 1: hotel room. So I don't know what we've lost from
30:59
Speaker 1: that still have been swabbed, But just got why intense chlorine?
31:04
Speaker 1: What would that do? Well? Most people think, you know
31:08
Speaker 1: it's bleach. Most people think that it's going to be
31:12
Speaker 1: a successful cleaning agent. And my suspicion is, my suspicion
31:16
Speaker 1: is that he's attempting to clean up blood. I don't know,
31:20
Speaker 1: you know, I hear hoofbeats. I think horses most of
31:22
Speaker 1: the time, and so when I hear this, That's what
31:25
Speaker 1: I'm thinking. And you know, the police still after all
31:28
Speaker 1: that time, I don't know if they've held onto that room,
31:32
Speaker 1: if they've closed it down. It's still possible in many
31:36
Speaker 1: of these cases to go back and use some kind
31:38
Speaker 1: of luminescing agent in there, like blue star or luminol.
31:42
Speaker 1: And you know, when when we're developing, people say, you know,
31:46
Speaker 1: you need to take on your vitamins, take on iron.
31:49
Speaker 1: One of the things that happens is that the luminol
31:52
Speaker 1: it actually interacts with iron in our heboglobe. So that
31:56
Speaker 1: gives you an indication, and bleach is not always the answer.
31:59
Speaker 1: You'll leave someone behind that what it can do. It
32:02
Speaker 1: can affect the DNA that's there, but you can get
32:04
Speaker 1: an indication that there was a blood swatch there, so
32:08
Speaker 1: maybe there's a potential they could go back and check
32:11
Speaker 1: that out again. I don't know. I hope that they
32:13
Speaker 1: hope it takes more than Blaze to get rid of DNA.
32:15
Speaker 1: You're gonna need something like the Blaze Swan. Excuse me,
32:18
Speaker 1: black swan. Guys, not only that. Take a listen to
32:21
Speaker 1: what else we learn in the preliminary hearing hearing. Take
32:24
Speaker 1: a listen to Jason Greenauer dan verse seven. During this
32:27
Speaker 1: preliminary hearing, a retired FBI agent testified that in March
32:31
Speaker 1: of this year, Barrymore fh you asked him, can you
32:34
Speaker 1: give me immunity if I sit and just open my
32:37
Speaker 1: life to you. Barrymorephew is charged with the murder of
32:40
Speaker 1: his wife, Suzanne, who went missing on Mother's Day twenty twenty.
32:43
Speaker 1: Now this is the preliminary hearing to determine if there's
32:45
Speaker 1: enough evidence to move this case to a trial. Now
32:48
Speaker 1: that FBI agent Johnny Grusing said he believed that Barry
32:52
Speaker 1: was trying to make a deal with any information that
32:54
Speaker 1: he had. We also learned today that Barrymore, if you
32:57
Speaker 1: immediately told a coworker when his wife went miss that
33:00
Speaker 1: it's got to be a mountain lion or cougar that
33:03
Speaker 1: had killed her. The defense spent time poking holes in
33:06
Speaker 1: prosecution arguments surrounding the cap of a tranquilizer dart that
33:10
Speaker 1: was found in the Morphew home and the hotel room
33:13
Speaker 1: that Bury had stayed in during a work trip that
33:15
Speaker 1: had allegedly smelled of chlorine. Crime stories with Nancy Grace
33:34
Speaker 1: out to you. Question on this, Wendy Patrick, why would
33:40
Speaker 1: someone just walk up and go if I tell you everything,
33:43
Speaker 1: when you give me immunity, I wouldn't. Why if your
33:47
Speaker 1: wife is missing and you have nothing to do with it,
33:51
Speaker 1: why would you want immunity. I mean I always used
33:54
Speaker 1: to Mark class whose daughter Polly went missing, house kidnapped
33:58
Speaker 1: from her own home during a sleepover, and raped and murdered.
34:02
Speaker 1: When cops came to his place, he went, sure, take
34:05
Speaker 1: my DNA, take my fingerprints, check my place, check my car,
34:08
Speaker 1: do whatever you have to do to start finding who
34:10
Speaker 1: took Polly. That's the goal standard right there. He didn't
34:14
Speaker 1: walk up and go, well, I'll tell you whatever I
34:16
Speaker 1: know if you gave me immunity. Oh hbl No, he
34:20
Speaker 1: did not. That just strikes me wrong right there. Yeah,
34:23
Speaker 1: And that's a huge piece of evidence, Nancy, And you
34:26
Speaker 1: know we pair that with the forensics or maybe I
34:29
Speaker 1: should say the lack of forensics first. I think Joe
34:31
Speaker 1: Scott's next book should be Blood Beneath My Nails instead
34:36
Speaker 1: of Believe My Feet. But let's pair that, Nancy, with
34:38
Speaker 1: what you just said, so asking for immunity if you talk,
34:43
Speaker 1: we have to pair that with the fact that we
34:44
Speaker 1: probably need what we call a negative evidence expert, and
34:48
Speaker 1: you probably use that in a case like this. It
34:49
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a wildlife expert. It would be a why
34:52
Speaker 1: you wouldn't expect to find certain types of forensic evidence
34:56
Speaker 1: because of the cover up being part of the crime.
34:58
Speaker 1: So when you pair that with the request to have immunity,
35:02
Speaker 1: if you speak, that is the exact same type of
35:06
Speaker 1: thing that the rest of the evidence points you, which
35:08
Speaker 1: is the cover up aspect of it. So absolutely that's
35:11
Speaker 1: a huge piece of evidence, even though ironically it's a
35:14
Speaker 1: non statement being used as a powerful piece of evidence here.
35:18
Speaker 1: I mean it speaks to me, Cheryl McCollum that while
35:22
Speaker 1: his wife is missing dead, he approaches law enforcement or
35:28
Speaker 1: approaches someone and says, hey, if I tell you everything,
35:32
Speaker 1: where you give me immunity, I would be lying on
35:36
Speaker 1: the police steps begging them to do anything. I'll take
35:42
Speaker 1: a polygraph. Here's my DNA. Just do help me find David,
35:48
Speaker 1: my husband. And that's not what he was doing. Well, Nancy,
35:53
Speaker 1: you and I often talk about Elizabeth Smart's father and
35:56
Speaker 1: all his brothers. That's what they did immediately. In this guy,
36:01
Speaker 1: he goes around a different locations throwing things away, like
36:05
Speaker 1: camouflage closing. Oh yes, thank you for mentioning that. Mike King,
36:09
Speaker 1: let's talk about him throwing things a white tell me
36:11
Speaker 1: about it. Well. The evidence in court was that he
36:14
Speaker 1: goes to five different dumpsters. Now, in some of the discussion,
36:18
Speaker 1: he says he identifies three of them, but he leaves
36:21
Speaker 1: out I think the bus stop and the men's warehouse
36:24
Speaker 1: dumpster that he goes to. But the thing I find
36:26
Speaker 1: interesting is he not only goes to the dumpster with
36:28
Speaker 1: large bags that apparently he's cleaning out his truck with,
36:31
Speaker 1: but he forces those down into the bottom of the
36:34
Speaker 1: can with his hands. And I don't know about you,
36:37
Speaker 1: but when I go to the dumpster and throw stuff
36:39
Speaker 1: in the dumps, the last thing I want to do
36:41
Speaker 1: is get my hands down in there and push a
36:42
Speaker 1: little deeper. I was just talking about that the other day. Who,
36:46
Speaker 1: especially in times of COVID, but ever will go up
36:50
Speaker 1: to a dumpster like behind a restaurant or behind the
36:55
Speaker 1: grocery store and push the trash dawn with your hands?
36:59
Speaker 1: Who who barrymore? Few? Did it? Let me ask you
37:03
Speaker 1: this to Cheryl McCollum, What do we know about the
37:05
Speaker 1: timing of all his dumpster trips? You know, it's amazing
37:09
Speaker 1: how many husbands turn into neat Nick's overnight when their
37:12
Speaker 1: wives go missing. You know whatever, Scott Peterson, Yeah, he
37:17
Speaker 1: reminds me of missing Connecticut mom of five Jennifer Duelos,
37:25
Speaker 1: her husband Phoonus Dulos, and his love or his mistress.
37:30
Speaker 1: They go all over town and they're caught on camera
37:33
Speaker 1: throwing bloody clothes, bloody rags away. When is his When
37:40
Speaker 1: is his cleaning craze? How is it timed with her disappearance? Cheryl?
37:45
Speaker 1: I believe that it's happening while he's at the motel
37:48
Speaker 1: before he comes back home. Is it, Mike King? When
37:51
Speaker 1: is he cleaning up? Yeah? So the interesting thing is
37:54
Speaker 1: he goes to broomfield work on this wall, but he
37:57
Speaker 1: really only spends about fifteen minutes there from what came
38:00
Speaker 1: out in court, But he spends about five hours in
38:03
Speaker 1: the hotel, going in and out to the dumpster. He
38:06
Speaker 1: acknowledges that he knows their surveillance cameras, so why on
38:09
Speaker 1: earth would I be getting rid of evidence? But then
38:11
Speaker 1: he goes to some alternate locations, so that I think
38:14
Speaker 1: the big question becomes why five hours in the hotel
38:17
Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes on the job site. So that day
38:21
Speaker 1: when she is out riding her bike, he is going
38:26
Speaker 1: to how many dumpsters to get rid of evidence? Well,
38:30
Speaker 1: testimony is five? Okay, all right. You and I may
38:38
Speaker 1: disagree on something, and that is the possibility that triangulation
38:47
Speaker 1: shows that barrymoreph You chased his wife, Susanne Morphe through
38:54
Speaker 1: the home, shot her with a dark gun, and then
38:57
Speaker 1: got rid of her body. I also want to talk
39:00
Speaker 1: to you, Mike King, about evidence that the bedroom door
39:04
Speaker 1: where she would have gone had been rammed open. There
39:08
Speaker 1: was evidence of battering on that door that did not
39:12
Speaker 1: exist when they bought the home. But first let's talk
39:15
Speaker 1: about triangulation. Why are you so convinced, Mike King that,
39:21
Speaker 1: contrary to what law enforcement says, triangulation does not show
39:26
Speaker 1: he chased her around the home. Yeah. I think it's
39:29
Speaker 1: the difference between emotion and science, and we've been studying
39:32
Speaker 1: what cell phones do for a long time in the
39:34
Speaker 1: nine one industry and in law enforcement. Bottom line is,
39:37
Speaker 1: if you look at the phone and you set it
39:40
Speaker 1: on a single location, it's going to move around on
39:43
Speaker 1: the map, showing that it almost will look like they're
39:46
Speaker 1: going through walls and going at forty five miles an hour,
39:49
Speaker 1: like the defense has claimed. Doesn't mean that they weren't
39:52
Speaker 1: still in that location, doesn't mean that it would make
39:55
Speaker 1: good sense that he could be chasing someone or other
39:58
Speaker 1: things could happen. But the science is hard to refute,
40:02
Speaker 1: and that is that there's drift, especially if the device,
40:06
Speaker 1: the phone is using triangulation off of three different cell
40:09
Speaker 1: towers to determine where it is. We know that this
40:12
Speaker 1: area of the state has poor cellular reception, and they
40:16
Speaker 1: talk about it over and again in this case, so
40:18
Speaker 1: that's going to add to the problem. It improves if
40:21
Speaker 1: the home has Wi Fi and the device is also
40:24
Speaker 1: using Wi Fi, then it gets a lot tighter and
40:26
Speaker 1: it gets a lot more accurate. But the science is
40:29
Speaker 1: pretty hard to refute. It's going to move if it's
40:31
Speaker 1: up based on triangulation. What if the home did have
40:34
Speaker 1: Wi Fi. Would that change your opinion? It get tighter,
40:37
Speaker 1: It could get down to maybe ten meters or twenty
40:40
Speaker 1: thirty feet in some cases, it can get really pretty
40:43
Speaker 1: darn accurate. When I look at mine on my home,
40:46
Speaker 1: it shows my office in the northeast corner of my
40:48
Speaker 1: home all the time. But if I leave the phone
40:51
Speaker 1: sitting there and I turn off Wi Fi, it starts
40:54
Speaker 1: bouncing like crazy and goes up to four or five
40:56
Speaker 1: hundred yards away. So you're saying, we cannot depend on
41:00
Speaker 1: reangulation in your opinion, to show she was being chased
41:03
Speaker 1: in the home. No, it's just one more piece of
41:05
Speaker 1: the puzzle though, And so you've got to look at
41:07
Speaker 1: the fact that there's there's impact on the door. Is
41:09
Speaker 1: that accurate the dart gun? Is the dart gun actually working?
41:13
Speaker 1: And we've never heard any testimony that someone went out
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Speaker 1: and test fired that darn thing. So that doesn't change
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Speaker 1: the fact that the dart itself could be manually. Why
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Speaker 1: would it be in as dryer, Well, lots of the
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Speaker 1: main questions around that, yeah, and hard to refute those. Again,
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Speaker 1: that's the difference between coincidence and circumstantial. To me, is
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Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense but I think you can still
41:35
Speaker 1: paint a really strong picture of what's going on in
41:38
Speaker 1: the home from a circumstantial case. But wife or that
41:43
Speaker 1: cellular movement alone should not be evidence alone. Why Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, what do you think of the evidence as
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Speaker 1: we are presenting it today. Well, you know, I think
41:52
Speaker 1: that a lot of his evidence of exclusion to a
41:55
Speaker 1: great degree. I don't know how how tightly. Of course,
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Speaker 1: Mike would be able to speak to this information a
42:01
Speaker 1: bit better than I. But one thing I'd like to
42:05
Speaker 1: kind of address and take a step back on is
42:07
Speaker 1: this idea of this fabricated stories put forth relative to
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Speaker 1: the big cat attack. You know, her riding down the
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Speaker 1: road and her bicycle and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: a big cat attacks her. I have personally not worked
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Speaker 1: these kinds of cases, but I do have friends out west,
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Speaker 1: one forensic odentologist, a bite mark expert in particular, that
42:27
Speaker 1: has worked several And cats don't attack like this. They
42:31
Speaker 1: generally weigh up on ledges and they wait for their
42:34
Speaker 1: prey to pass. And one of the things that happens
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Speaker 1: Nancy and I've seen the crime scene images from these
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Speaker 1: and they are just absolutely horrible. They attack and they
42:43
Speaker 1: grabbed the victim by the back of the neck and
42:45
Speaker 1: they kind of sling them around until they break the neck,
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Speaker 1: and then they drag them back to a layer where
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Speaker 1: they'll actually keep them and eat on the body. I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry to have to say that, but that's what it does.
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Speaker 1: It leaves behind a specific trail of not just blood,
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Speaker 1: but you have drag marks that are associated with this
43:02
Speaker 1: percent would have been all over that place. So I
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Speaker 1: think that this story that he s put forth relative
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Speaker 1: to this can completely be discounted. And there are people
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Speaker 1: out west that track these cats and it would be nothing.
43:16
Speaker 1: You could easily pick up the phone and call on
43:18
Speaker 1: these people and ask them for their expert opinion about this,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to come up with zilchy because you
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Speaker 1: know why it didn't happen. Yeah, and I want to
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Speaker 1: just I want to pile on if I can, Nancy Jeffan,
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Speaker 1: I live in a mountain lion territory, and this is
43:33
Speaker 1: exactly right. It would look like they walked into a
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Speaker 1: propeller if a mountain lion took that person down, and
43:39
Speaker 1: there would be so many artifacts on the ground, including
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Speaker 1: a cat is not going to pick up one hundred
43:45
Speaker 1: and twenty pound individual and drag them and not leave
43:48
Speaker 1: drag market. And a mountain lion is only going to
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Speaker 1: go about a hundred yards maximum usually downhill to hide
43:56
Speaker 1: and bury that cash so that they can go back.
43:59
Speaker 1: So all of that is just hogwash. We brought on
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Speaker 1: the Mountain Lion Foundation, folks to just kind of reaffirm it.
44:05
Speaker 1: And boy, I'm one hundred percent behind you on that comment,
44:08
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Wrap it up, Nancy, priorities. When somebody goes
44:14
Speaker 1: missing or a loved one dies, people prioritize what is
44:18
Speaker 1: the most important thing in their life. And they start saying,
44:22
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to spend more time with the kids,
44:24
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend less time at work. This guy immediately
44:28
Speaker 1: gets the judge to give him guardianship over her stuff
44:31
Speaker 1: so he can sell some property in Indiana that became
44:35
Speaker 1: a priority. The other thing that was a priority he
44:38
Speaker 1: voted under her name. You know, it's interesting, cheryln I
44:42
Speaker 1: know I project a lot, but I remember when my
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Speaker 1: fiancee was murdered. I couldn't eat, lost down to eighty
44:50
Speaker 1: nine pounds, I dropped out of school, I couldn't stand
44:57
Speaker 1: to hear music, I couldn't stand here, the TV, your radio,
45:02
Speaker 1: because nothing mattered anymore. And I project that onto other people,
45:09
Speaker 1: which may or may not be fair, but I know
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Speaker 1: one thing. The last thing on my mind was what's
45:17
Speaker 1: going to happen to his belongings and any legalities, And
45:22
Speaker 1: not knowing where she was, I thought that there was
45:25
Speaker 1: a chance she could be found. We waked as justice unfalls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime Story, signing off goodbye friend,