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INTRODUCING: The New Christian - In the beginning with Ben McEachen · Time with God with John North

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to this episode of The New Christian, a podcast
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  Speaker 1: for anyone exploring faith, asking big questions about God, Jesus,
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  Speaker 1: and what it really means to call yourself a Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're chatting with Ben McKegan from Hope Mornings, and
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  Speaker 1: in fact, for this very first episode of the new Christian,
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  Speaker 1: turning things around a little bit, I'm actually gonna be
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  Speaker 1: handing over the reins to Ben McKean.
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  Speaker 1: To interview me as to how I became a Christian
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  Speaker 1: and why I'm creating this podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You're taking my job for me, Chris. Although I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: on your podcast, The New Christian, congratulations on the new podcast,
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  Speaker 2: The New Christian. In the first episode, you're giving me
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  Speaker 2: the reins. That's really nice of you, but you've already
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  Speaker 2: asked my first question, which is, why are you doing this,
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  Speaker 1: Chris? I'm not the best at being interviewed, really. No. OK,
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  Speaker 1: so why, why am I doing it? Um,
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  Speaker 1: Relatively recently became a Christian, um.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, sort of in the introduction, when is that?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. In fact, that will be an episode.
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  Speaker 1: When do I know I'm a Christian,
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  Speaker 2: on the, on the first season.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it will be, it's actually, it's the last episode.
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  Speaker 1: That's when you finally get there and go, am I?
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  Speaker 1: Because of course you start going to church, but you're
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  Speaker 1: not baptized, then you get baptized, so that's when you got,
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  Speaker 1: but what about before, it's, it's hard to know, and,
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  Speaker 1: and
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  Speaker 2: this is all very
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  Speaker 2: recent for you.
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  Speaker 1: Right, only in the last under 3 years of recording
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  Speaker 1: under 3 years of becoming a Christian. And so we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be talking about all sorts of things, um.
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  Speaker 1: Who is God is the very next episode is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be with Max Jeganathan from the Center for Public Christianity,
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  Speaker 1: talking about who is God. And it's a very generic question,
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  Speaker 1: it's who is the God that when you're first even
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  Speaker 1: thinking of there maybe being a God, discovering God, rediscovering God.
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  Speaker 1: Who am I speaking to when I maybe get down
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  Speaker 1: on my knees next to my bed and pray, or
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  Speaker 1: when I'm laying in bed and praying, or when I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the car driving to work and praying, or whenever
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  Speaker 1: I'm going, God, where are you? I, I think you're real,
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  Speaker 1: please help me. I don't, I don't even know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to
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  Speaker 1: say.
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  Speaker 2: These are exactly the sort of questions that you and
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  Speaker 2: your wife Vanessa were wrestling with a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 2: just a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what was your relationship with God like before?
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  Speaker 1: I think when I was a really little kid, I
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  Speaker 1: think there might have been some type of relationship, but
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  Speaker 1: neither of us actually grew up in a Christian household.
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  Speaker 1: Nominally Christian, but we didn't go to church, it was
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  Speaker 1: really just on our um birth certificate, all the, all
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  Speaker 1: the documents at school, right? But apart from that, no.
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  Speaker 1: It was, it was a very secular, non-Christian, non-religious household.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds a lot like Australia. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right, and I think there was, I had one.
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  Speaker 1: There was one thing dad would always say, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it's what he said that his dad told him,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just the golden rule, do unto others
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  Speaker 1: as you'd have them do unto you. That was the only,
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  Speaker 1: that was the closest the house really ever got to Christianity,
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  Speaker 1: apart from maybe Christmas and Easter and then how close
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  Speaker 1: were we're really getting, I don't know. Didn't go to
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  Speaker 1: church at Christmas or Easter, um, so yeah, there was no,
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  Speaker 1: there was no real true connection with God, um.
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  Speaker 1: Teenage years.
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  Speaker 1: I did get actually a Gideon Bible in high school
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  Speaker 1: and I do still have that. And I did, yeah, yeah, little,
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  Speaker 1: little green one, little pocket one, and um, and I
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  Speaker 1: do remember reading through that. I think it's just Psalms
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  Speaker 1: and New Testament, but I did read through bits of
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  Speaker 1: it when I was um as a teenager, cos I
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  Speaker 1: think every teenager, that's a troubled time.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually found some solace in it.
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  Speaker 1: I do wish that I'd followed through and gone to
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  Speaker 1: church as a teenager, I really do regret that. um,
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  Speaker 1: and then go through my university days, um, I went
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  Speaker 1: and did a bachelor of Science.
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  Speaker 1: Very, it's very materialistic. Everything could be proven and discovered
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  Speaker 1: through formulas and just better equipment, of course. And, and
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  Speaker 1: that was how I saw, and so my relationship to
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  Speaker 1: the world and everything around me, the God element just
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  Speaker 1: started to just, I, I turned away from it. I
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  Speaker 1: can't say he turned away from it, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: God ever turns away or stops speaking, but we can,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, turn away.
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  Speaker 1: And I lived in a very materialistic world and it
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  Speaker 1: did not satisfy anything, it,
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was all very good and, and, and whatnot,
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  Speaker 1: but it's, it, it ended up feeling very empty many
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  Speaker 1: years later.
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  Speaker 2: Is
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  Speaker 2: that then why you started searching for God? Is it,
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  Speaker 2: is that even how you describe what happened a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years
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  Speaker 2: ago?
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  Speaker 1: Um, I think both Vanessa and I have had some
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  Speaker 1: very interesting experiences in our lives that,
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  Speaker 1: And we both have, uh, Vanessa did biology at university, so, and,
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  Speaker 1: and other subjects. Vanessa's way more educated than herself, but we,
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  Speaker 1: we both were at university, different university, but we studied
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  Speaker 1: sciences and lots of different types of subjects, and,
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  Speaker 1: Our
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  Speaker 1: Over the years we saw things that I think were
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  Speaker 1: counter to what the sciences would've, how it would've explained things.
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  Speaker 1: There were things that you can't explain.
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  Speaker 1: That led us both into, I think, the new age
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  Speaker 1: world and all that, that goes with it. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: you started looking into other religions, other
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  Speaker 1: other religions, other,
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  Speaker 1: Philosophies of life, all sorts of things.
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  Speaker 2: Because what you're basically looking for an explanation for the
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  Speaker 2: things that science can't explain. There's
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  Speaker 1: a
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  Speaker 1: void.
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  Speaker 1: There's a, there's a clear void, an emptiness that you
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  Speaker 1: feel deep within. I think anyone.
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  Speaker 1: Who hasn't, and that, and I'm not gonna say that
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  Speaker 1: I've somehow just completely filled it because guess what, I'm
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  Speaker 1: human and I still sometimes turn away, right? So that's,
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  Speaker 1: that's that feeling still is there at times, but way
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  Speaker 1: more so before finding God, well, yeah, I guess before
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  Speaker 1: finding God, yes, and it, and nothing was, was filling that,
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  Speaker 1: nothing was satisfying that.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing really answered it, and I'm not saying that coming
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  Speaker 1: to Christianity's answered all the questions, by the way. It's,
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  Speaker 1: it's asked a whole lot more, hence this podcast, hence
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  Speaker 1: season one and probably a season two.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so the relationship was very distant from God, and
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't until years later, like, like you mentioned just
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  Speaker 1: a few years ago when Vanessa and I started listening
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  Speaker 1: to Bible in a Year podcasts before going to church.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I, I think over the years people had,
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  Speaker 1: In, in my science and materialist type of world and friends,
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  Speaker 1: that the the the worldview was very much like, oh, Chris,
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  Speaker 1: you don't, you don't need the Bible.
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  Speaker 1: You know, or, or people would just tell me, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the Bible says X, Y, and Z, and
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  Speaker 1: so I, instead of primary sources, would take other people's
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  Speaker 1: opinions as, as being the gospel truths, which was not true,
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  Speaker 1: not true.
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  Speaker 1: I think I was like, OK, I'm gonna read this,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know if I can really do this,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe I'll, I'll listen to it first. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: I was listening to the Bible that would read three
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  Speaker 1: chapters that would, uh, it was an American couple, it
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  Speaker 1: was a really good podcast, um.
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  Speaker 1: They would read 3 chapters and then they would discuss
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  Speaker 1: it.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't you and Vanessa listening to it together. No,
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  Speaker 1: no, this is the thing. So Vanessa was listening, she'd
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  Speaker 1: also listened to a Bible in a year podcast, you
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  Speaker 1: didn't get past.
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  Speaker 1: Some, some part of the Old Testament, so she did stop,
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  Speaker 1: but the interest was there. She listened to another podcast, um,
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  Speaker 1: not a Christian podcast, just like a,
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  Speaker 1: It's close to Christian living, but it's not, right, it's,
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  Speaker 1: it's a very generic sort of podcast that occasionally she
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  Speaker 1: would talk about her faith.
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  Speaker 1: But Vanessa found some sort of solace in that, and
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  Speaker 1: then she started again going back to other Christian podcasts
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  Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. But you're doing this separately. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's completely separate. We knew the other was interested.
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  Speaker 1: How interested we didn't know, and it all culminated one night.
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  Speaker 1: Vanessa said
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  Speaker 1: Very sheepishly, I should add.
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  Speaker 1: Would you mind if maybe one Sunday you
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  Speaker 1: Drive me to church.
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  Speaker 1: Like in that word, in those words were her not
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  Speaker 1: expecting me to want to come along.
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  Speaker 1: And my response was,
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  Speaker 1: It, it, it was actually a happiness cos I think
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  Speaker 1: I'd been wanting to go, but not wanting to ask
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  Speaker 1: the question, I was like, OK, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: Which is, which is really funny because.
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  Speaker 1: I look back on, on my life and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think at any point I actually wanted to be a Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Like if you look, if you asked me when I
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  Speaker 1: was at university, I would have said I do not
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  Speaker 1: want to be a Christian. Didn't want to be a Christian.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the bible study guys at uni and I
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  Speaker 1: thought oh no.
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  Speaker 1: No, I know what, I know what this world's all about,
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  Speaker 1: but here I am, 20 years later, so keen to
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  Speaker 1: go to church. So we go to church, nervous, really,
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  Speaker 1: really nervous. Um, our hands are sweating, we were worried
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  Speaker 1: the place was just gonna just burn down.
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  Speaker 1: And it sounds so silly, right, but there's I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure a lot of people actually feel that,
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  Speaker 1: yes. Like we didn't think it probably really would, like,
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  Speaker 1: did we really? I don't know. That's actually, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: were nervous and we were worried. How do we do,
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  Speaker 1: what do we do, what do we wear, where do
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  Speaker 1: we sit, who do we speak to, what do we say?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know any of the right words. I, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the right words, cos it's a whole of
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  Speaker 1: the language. You don't realize how much of a, another
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  Speaker 1: language it is. You know, I didn't know how to
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  Speaker 1: read a Bible.
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  Speaker 1: What, what is it when it has a colon in
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  Speaker 1: the middle? What does that mean? And there's a dash there.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of crazy computer code are you spinning here?
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  Speaker 1: No, it's actually really simple once you get
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  Speaker 1: the hang of it.
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  Speaker 2: You guys were listening to podcasts on your journey, but
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  Speaker 2: were any of them.
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  Speaker 2: Answering the kinds of questions that you started to develop,
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  Speaker 2: everything from what's going on with church, what should I wear,
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  Speaker 2: when do I stand up and sit down to who
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  Speaker 2: is God or Jesus or Holy Spirit or what's this
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  Speaker 2: thing called the Trinity, or where do I start reading
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  Speaker 2: the Bible, like did you find
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  Speaker 1: those resources all of it, bits of it. So you
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  Speaker 1: get some of the theology, but the practical elements of,
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  Speaker 1: Going to church, serving, um, growth groups, small groups, whatever
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  Speaker 1: group that they've got different names, you'll find that out
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  Speaker 1: as you listen to the, the podcast, um.
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  Speaker 1: Why is everyone so nice?
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  Speaker 1: Why are they so nice? We lived in this world of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's the whole quid pro quo, right?
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  Speaker 1: But none of that works at church. People wanna serve
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  Speaker 1: because it's a blessing to serve.
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  Speaker 1: Full stop.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas we didn't wanna, we didn't wanna ask for any
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  Speaker 1: help because we were like we're gonna have to help.
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  Speaker 1: That was the mindset, as we're coming into church.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's how the world outside of church operates, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's all I do something for you, does something like
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  Speaker 1: does something for me, right? But church is not about that.
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  Speaker 1: It's you, you don't have, there is no, like I
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  Speaker 1: will just serve you.
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  Speaker 1: And everyone's trying to say, so it works.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a totally different, so not only is it
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  Speaker 1: a different language, it's a culturally, completely different.
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  Speaker 2: The new Christian then is your.
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  Speaker 2: Attempt to try to answer some of those questions that
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  Speaker 2: you and Vanessa had as you were exploring Christianity. This
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  Speaker 2: is the podcast that you wished was around when you
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  Speaker 2: were becoming Christian?
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, yes, that, that was the goal. Um, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: this podcast, I wanted to make no matter what. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's great that I'm gonna hope to be able
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  Speaker 1: to do it here, because I think it's the best
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  Speaker 1: place to be doing it. Um, but yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 1: I, I guess I see the world in a certain way,
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  Speaker 1: being a radio person, and podcasting felt like I'm not
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  Speaker 1: the guy who's gonna write a book. But podcasting, talking
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  Speaker 1: about things, that's how I get around the world. That's
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  Speaker 1: how I navigate the world. And so I thought a
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  Speaker 1: podcast is the perfect way to try and detail all
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  Speaker 1: these steps in the journey. Talk it out loud. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I experienced this. I don't understand why they do this. Hey, uh,
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  Speaker 1: some expert, why do they do this?
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  Speaker 1: Oh great, makes sense now. That's basically the idea for
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  Speaker 1: the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: But it must have been difficult trying to work out
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  Speaker 2: what steps to put into the first season, particularly, it's
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  Speaker 2: the new Christian, you are aiming to provide all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of answers to initial questions and questions that some people
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  Speaker 2: might think I'm embarrassed to ask, or,
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna offend somebody if I ask, all those sorts
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  Speaker 2: of questions rolling around in you, Chris, and then you're
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  Speaker 2: trying to encapsulate that in one first season of a podcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so the first season's kind of a bit more, it's
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  Speaker 1: closer to an album. So every other season, I imagine
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  Speaker 1: it'll be a bit more week to week, just finding
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  Speaker 1: something that's an interesting concept to work in, do a
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  Speaker 1: deep dive. But the first season, I really wanted it
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  Speaker 1: to have a, a set flow.
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  Speaker 1: Us chatting right now, it's the beginning, it's, it's why
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  Speaker 1: are we doing it, right? And then, and then next
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  Speaker 1: week is, is who is God, with Max Jeganath and, um,
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  Speaker 1: who is Jesus with Skip Smith from Alpha, who Alpha, well,
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  Speaker 1: they do courses at churches to help people who are
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  Speaker 1: coming into faith. Um, we talk about who is the
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  Speaker 1: Holy Spirit, the, the, the how to read the Bible,
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  Speaker 1: how to pray, all of these things get covered, um,
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  Speaker 1: navigating church I mentioned.
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  Speaker 1: This is a whole journey right through to the last episode,
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  Speaker 1: which is with Simon Manchester. When do I know I'm
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  Speaker 1: a Christian, which is a, it's a funny question to ask.
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  Speaker 1: You think along this point I've already become a Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Surely I'd know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Simon does a great job at actually talking about that,
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  Speaker 1: talking to that, um, so you definitely wanna be tuning
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  Speaker 1: into that, and then at the very end, uh, there'll
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  Speaker 1: be a few weeks-ish, uh, where we'll take all the
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  Speaker 1: questions that have been submitted by, by you.
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  Speaker 1: Over each episode, so whatever question you have regarding an episode,
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  Speaker 1: just send it through and then we'll be recording an
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  Speaker 1: extra episode at the end. That'll be a bonus one,
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  Speaker 1: all Q&A, um, questions answered with, and we, we don't
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  Speaker 1: even know who we're gonna interview then, we'll we'll we'll
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  Speaker 1: we'll come to that when we get to that, and
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  Speaker 1: then there'll be a bit of a break before season two,
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  Speaker 1: which will be a bit more.
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  Speaker 1: Don't wanna say loosey goosey, but it's, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: one episode at a time. This is a very structured season,
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  Speaker 1: this is hoping to help someone to hold their hand
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  Speaker 1: through a very nervous moment. When you decide to become
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  Speaker 1: a Christian, life doesn't just get better.
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  Speaker 1: It does, but not how you expect it would.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually really difficult. There are challenges. There are.
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  Speaker 1: There are, there, there are, you know, you're learning new language,
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  Speaker 1: you're learning. If you've not been a Christian for 40
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  Speaker 1: odd years and now you become a Christian, it is
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  Speaker 1: not an easy thing to just go and do. It's worthwhile,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not easy.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and so this is hopefully gonna be a really
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  Speaker 1: good way to help people on that journey. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: there's an episode that Max Jeganathan suggested should be in
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  Speaker 1: season one, not season two. Why is there evil, which
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  Speaker 1: is a really important question, and that is in
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  Speaker 1: there
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  Speaker 2: as well. Such a great question. You're gonna, you're answering
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  Speaker 2: that in this first season. We'll
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  Speaker 1: attempt to answer it. Yeah, look, uh, Carl Fay, uh,
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  Speaker 1: from Olive Tree Media is there for that episode, and.
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  Speaker 1: He brings a lot to it, and uh yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: gotta listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: And Chris, each episode, do they run for 34, 10 hours?
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  Speaker 2: You're picking big subject matter here to try to even
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  Speaker 2: give an initial glimpse at. Are they gonna be lecture series? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: right, so they're all about,
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  Speaker 1: 30 to 40 minutes, um, one of them runs a
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  Speaker 1: bit over an hour, that's, um, the navigating Church episode,
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  Speaker 1: that's because we look at a whole lot of different things.
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  Speaker 1: We talk about how to, how do we get to church,
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  Speaker 1: what do we do at church, um, why do we
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  Speaker 1: go to church, we even look into some of the
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  Speaker 1: den denominations as to what they all sort of, how
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  Speaker 1: their viewpoints sit, so you can get a bit of
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  Speaker 1: an idea.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so that one goes a bit longer and then
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  Speaker 1: for the rest, um, they're around 30 to 40 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Some are a little bit less, some are a bit more,
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  Speaker 1: but that's roughly the ballpark.
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  Speaker 2: That's a real bite size introduction you're offering. Yeah, look,
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  Speaker 1: so.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these episodes, we are gonna have to come
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  Speaker 1: back with more detail in other seasons. This is just
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be enough to give someone that starting point,
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  Speaker 1: just to keep walking their way through this journey. It's
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: just to help them take those first steps.
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  Speaker 2: How do you hope God's gonna use it?
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  Speaker 1: I pray that God will bring a whole lot of
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  Speaker 1: people through here, but you, as you know, it's got
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with me and everything with God, and
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  Speaker 1: so I, I do pray that God will work wonders
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  Speaker 1: through a whole lot of people with this first season
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  Speaker 1: in particular.
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  Speaker 2: We'll all be praying exactly the same thing, Chris, congratulations
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  Speaker 2: on the first season of the new Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, mate.
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